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watching. a would-be attacker shot and killed in israel. also donald trump one-on-one with msnbc. he sits down with katy tur and he made some news. and lamar odom said to be fighting for his life in a las vegas hospital after reportedly being found unconscious in a nevada brothel last night. breaking news on a violent and deadly day in israel. brian williams has been following the story all day long. brian? >> thanks. you're right. it was a dangerous and bloody day there and people were worried we're at the precipice of what could be a moment of real violence in the middle east. one deadly and dramatic scene played out right in front of our nbc news camera crew in jerusalem. our foreign correspondent was preparing for a live shot when a palestinian man ran past a security checkpoint near the
famous damascus gate and he was quickly put down by israeli police. itis a disturbing piece of video. we've stopped the image right there. a police spokesman told us the man was a terrorist and the police have been responding to an attempted stabbing attack. later another palestinian man was shot and killed near the central bus station in jerusalem after stabbing an israeli woman. the woman was transported to the hospital. we're told in moderate condition. let's talk more about this with the man who witnessed it all, our foreign correspondent ayman is with us. what led to your selection of this location first of all as a location for your live report this morning? and what do you remember seeing?
>> reporter: brian, for the past several weeks israel has restrict access in and out of the old city to very limited number of palestinians, those who mostly live the and obviously, as you know, it is a very important site for religious purposes. but it has been the scene of so many different flashpoints of conflict over the past several weeks. inside two israelis were victims of a stabbing incident. they were killed. so israel had a lot of security presence in and around the walls of the old city. it seemed for us intuitively as journalists this was where we needed to be because it's also very close to palestinian neighborhoods in east jerusalem. and it's also an area where palestinians have been trying to come into old city daily. police have been setting up checkpoints. it seemed a place where there would be friction as it were in the past. we weren't anticipating this to
happen today give the fact israel had deployed in large numbers, given the fact they were aggressive in their security posture limiting who could come in and out of the old city. as we were preparing for the live shot as you described, a palestinian man tried to break through the barricade, the checkpoint. he managed to get through despite the fact the israelis were warning him not to, ran down the stairs and ultimately shot. police have since then come out and said he was intent on attacking and killing people in and around damascus gate. they say he attempted to stab one of the police officials that was standing here at this checkpoint, brian. >> ayman, the video that we have to look at begins with the man in the blue t-shirt reacting to what what we later learn is this man with a knife running past him. i'm amazed at the speed with which the israelis have their mu muzzles up on their m-4 rifles and were aims and taking the shot. what preceded the video we see?
was there a scuffle or an argument at the checkpoint? how did the israelis know to have their weapons trained on him as he approached the stairs? >> reporter: well, in this particular situation the israeli police and the posture of the israeli police is on high alert. we've been standing at this particular location for several minutes before that incident. we witnessed and observed and documented israeli police searching palestinian men, young palestinian men as they approached a checkpoint. that usually followed a set of procedures. now, the procedures where there were a few israeli soldiers that were trained on the palestinian, that means they kept their weapons by their side but they were always keeping those individuals at distance, they would ask them to lift up their shirts, to present i.d.s, they would be patted down and ultimately led into the checkpoint. in this particular incident, the point we began to observe this situation develop was as the men had already escaped or had crossed the checkpoint. so it seemed that he didn't even
stop, they didn't even pat him down, they perhaps tried to. they spoke to him and they ignored them. all of that happened off camera. it was once he crossed and evaded that checkpoint that i heard the israeli soldiers begin yelling in his direction, i saw the israeli soldiers lift their weapons and open fire at the individual. he ran down those stairs as we were presence mentioning and it was at that point after we were able to secure his body, they removed the clothe, identified he didn't have any explosive devices on him, that the israeli police came back and briefed the journalist saying he was, in fact, carrying a knife and had attempted to stab one of the police officials here on scene. >> ayman, any significance to the fact he was wearing cammo? >> reporter: well, according to the israeli police they say that he was trying to impersonate an israeli border ba troll who also wear that type of green, although anyone who spends any time here knows that the israeli military uniform as well as the israeli police uniform and border police uniform looks nothing like what that individual was wearing.
nonetheless, he was wearing camouflage and perhaps was trying to make a statement with what he was wearing and subsequently with what he was doing. >> now we have to be very careful here, but for that matter everyone has to be very careful here because, you know, there are newspaper columns you can find all over the world that wonder aloud if we're on the eve of a third intefadeh. and these attacks have been different. we have all lived through period of the awful bus bombings, the awful suicide bombs, different weapons of choice. these have been mostly what appear to be lone wovm wolves with nooifs. i asked ayman, what does it feel like there? with every attack of course there's a clamping down on people's personal freedoms and security and sometimes entire neighborhoods are blocked off.
>> yeah. and that's the context behind this and why it's so important to understand what's going on. there's no doubt that when the media arrives here as we have and others have from around the world it tends to be in the spotlight given the fact there have been a number of israelis that have been killed over the past 24 and 48 hours. but the context in which this conflict has been brewing for some time really underscores this ongoing problem. you talk about, well, what happens going forward and whether or not this is an intefadeh. right now you're seeing a lot of young palestinians growing up in the post-oslo phase, that is the phase of a supposed peace agreement that was supposed to bring a printian state into existence. that hasn't happened. and for palestinians, young palestinians who have been growing up for the past generation, their lives have gotten subsequently worse. you look at the course of, again, from a palestinian perspective, and this is a point that the palestinian leadership makes time and time again, a point that's been echoed by the u.s. state department, israeli settlements have expanded, confiscation of palestinian lands in the occupied west bank
have expanded. and as a result, the quality of life for ordinary palestinians has deteriorated. has this been right now a coordinated movement by some of the palestinian militant groups that israel has fought in the years past including hamas and others? israeli officials have so far not pointed the finger at any particular organization. at this particular stage, there is no claim of responsibility on a high level or a credible level to suggest that any of these attacks have been coordinated. what seems to be happening right now and whether or not this is by your -- by some classifications a palestinian intefadeh, people are using that word here. people say that they want to see a palestinian uprising, particularly in the gaza strip, but also in the west bank. they are looking at the situation in terms of what has happened over the past several years, what has happened on the ground on a daily basis with some of the attacks carried out bazell lots against palestinians and they are saying the palestinian leadership is defunct and the only way they can ascertain their rights is
through an uprising. for israel, that is a nightmare situation. they are dealing with all kinds of security concerns, deadly attacks on a daily bay si, they have the security threats of the south in the gaza strip and the potential rockets that come out there, the security situation volatile in syria on their northern border. for israel now to superstorm sandy a palestinian uprising in east jerusalem and occupied territories in the west bank, would certainly pose a drastic security challenge for israeli security officials, brian. >> as we said, it's a very dicey time and it has that charge in the air that's way too familiar to veterans of the region. ayman mohyeldin, who witnessed part of hit the morning, thanks for your reporting all day. kate know back across the newsroom, just one of the stories we're covering today. >> all right, brian. thanks so much. the other story getting a lot of attention today, donald trump going one-on-one with msnbc. you'll want to hear what he said about last night's debate. plus this -- >> the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails.
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narrowly edging out ben carson by the slimmest of margins. katy tur is here with us in new york. katy, you thought you saw a bit of a different side of donald trump today. >> it was a kinder, gentler donald trump, still very much donald trump, but we did talk to him about the debate as well as carson. take a look. he'll say it better than i ever can. 119 days on the trail so far. what have you learned about the american public? >> that they're really, really smart. they get it. they don't believe what they read because they read so many false stories. i'm not only talking about myself. i'm talking about generally. the american public gets it. and we have tremendous crowds. we have tremendous love. they know what i want to do. and it's actually more important even than the press. i used to think the press -- the press is very important and you have some amazing people in the press but also some dishonest people. but the american public gets it. they're really smart. >> would you do anything differently? >> i can't really say i would. certainly i guess if you think back, sure i would don't this or that but --
>> like what? >> well, i don't want to get into the negativity. i mean, i could probably have said fewer things about certain things. but honestly i'm very happy with the way it's going. >> that's the first time i've ever heard you say that, though, that you might do something differently. >> i might. but i never look back. i like to look forward. i like to learn from the past and i have learned. >> what have you learned for the next 118 tays? >> i think i could be perhaps a little bit -- i can watch my words a little bit, maybe be a little more politically correct. but to be honest with you, i think one of the reasons i am doing well is i don't want to -- being politically correct takes a lot of time. it takes a lot of effort. we don't have time in this country. our country is really in trouble. that's why my new book that's coming out in three weeks is going to be discussing it. we don't have time to always be politically correct. i can be more politically correct than anybody than you've ever interviewed, but it takes a lot of time to do it. and you're going around in different circles and you're
never getting there. we don't have time for it anymore, katy. >> will you change um your language, maybe soften your language a little bit? >> i don't think i'm going to do much different. you know, you are a certain way and you want to be who you are. i look at a lot of these people running against me, pollsters. they pay these pollsters tremendous amounts of money all but up by as you know special interests and all. but they pay hundreds of thousands of dollars, sometimes $100,000 a month to pollsters, and i watch them and i listen to them and they're afraid to say anything. they're petrified. i've watched some of the people i'm competing against. they're petrified. they don't want to do anything to insult their pollster. everything they say is polled. hillary is very polled. you look at it, look at the pollsters they have. i know most of them and i see them around and they're tough and they're smart. but these candidates, they're unable to speak because they're so petrified of violating what their pollsters -- and that's not way it is. i don't have pollsters. i could have 100 pollsters. i don't want pollsters. i have to be myself. >> you're still leading all the
polls but ben carson is within p margin of error in the latest fox news poll. he's 23 to your 24. why do you think he's doing so we well? >> i don't know. i think he's a nice person. i don't know why he's doing well. i will bring america to a new level. i will negotiate deals that nobody can groenegotiate like i. i know everybody i'm running against. nobody will be able to do the things i can do. ben, that's not his thing, but he certainly seems to be resonating and the two of us together at 50% or something like that, and everyone's sort of amazed because we haven't been politicians. i've been doing this now for three months and he's been doing it for about the same time, which is not saying much for politicians, frankly. >> would you make him your vp? >> i mean, certainly -- look, i like him. i respect him. he's been very nice to me. i've been very nice to him. i don't know that that's going to continue. in a certain way i hope not because everybody that's attacked me is down. i mean, they've gone down. but we'll see what happens. he's been very respectful and
i've been very respectful to him. as far as vp, far too early to say. and off lot of very talented people out there. we have some tremendously talented people. some of the people that are running against me right now are very talented. >> if this continues, will you take out ads against him? >> i don't know. i mean, it's too early to say. i don't think i'll have to. i think people are going to learn a lot about me, they'll learn a lot about them. they already have. this really is a cleansing process, let's face it. it's an amazing process when you go through it. but what i bring to the table is different than what -- no other candidate brings what i bring. i will bring back jobs. i will make the greatest deals ever made by this country. you know, our country has been absolutely robbed by all of these other countries that have just taken our jobs and our money and everything else. nobody else is equipped to do what i can do. >> what is a specific deal that you'd like to change? i'd like to change trade
pact particularly with china but even with nafta, look what's happened with mexico and some of these country, the way they're taking our jobs not only at the border but that he ear absolutely killing us as a country. i would say if i could do one thing and i think it's so important, trade pacts. you can do a lot of kufting. we can do a lot of cutting in terms of costs because the money that's being spent is ridiculous without hurting the country at all, in fact, helping the country. but if i could do one thing, it would be trade pacts. we can make such great deals. we're losing so much money. billions and billions and billions of dollars. >> you sound a little bit like bernie sanders. do you find off lot of common ground with him? >> the one thing i noticed he was saying is he thinks a lot of these trade deals are bad. the difference is i'll make great deals whereas he doesn't know where to begin. i watched him talk about trade. he would have no idea. he's not a negotiator. he can complain but he won't be able to change it, whereas i'll change it. china will like us better --
they don't like us at all now and they'll make $400 billion this year, $400 billion taken right from our pocket. the difference is bernie can complain about them, but he won't know where to begin. i know exactly where to begin. >> he had a moment last night defending hillary clinton. he came off as magnanimous. could you see yourself being that way to one of your competitors? >> yes, i could. and i can be very magnanimous if i have to be. but bernie made a mistake. he took a situation that's a very serious situation where hillary is being investigated by the fbi and he just gave it away. he can never bring it up again. it's not like he's winning. he's losing big if you look country wide. i think he made a mistake. >> she thinks the republicans are pushing benghazi. do you fine that to be the case? do you think we've done enough with this and should move on as a country? >> they'll go through a hearing and we'll see. certainly it wasn't helped by what's been happening over the last week or so. but we'll see.
i would say this. it's not the biggest thing in terms of my own thought process. i have a lot of respect for trey and a lot of respect for people on the committee and i think they are legitimately honorable people. i think they're doing the right thing. benghazi is one of many things. hillary had a very bad record as secretary of state. she had tremendous mistakes. just look at the whole world blowing up around us and it was during her term essentially plus a couple years of kerry, and kerry maybe goes down as the worst of all time because of the horrible deal he made with iran. i don't know what her attitude is on that deal. there's no way you can defend it and she is very much trying to defend it. but hillary has had such a bad time as secretary of state that i really think that she is going to be rather easy to beat. >> you said she did her job last night, and she's universally known as a pretty good debater. >> yeah. >> if you go up against her, do you think she'll be formidable? >> look, everybody's formidable.
everybody. i mean, who do you meet now adays that's not formidable? they've reached a certain level, they're formidable. i think she did her job. i think she got through the debate. i personally thought she won the debate. i thought bernie was off, he was not doing so well. i thought that the other people shouldn't even be up there to be honest with you pip thought a couple of them were ridiculous. it's always tough when you have people that should .there and they're taking up a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of everything else, and you'd like to hear more from the people that really have a chance to win. i mean, in all fairness, the republicans have the same situation going. so one of those things. but i thought that hillary did her job. she got through it. i actually thought she won it. but even if she didn't win it, she -- i actually think she won it. a lot of people would sort of feel that. even if she didn't she got through that period of time, she did reasonably well. they left her alone, they didn't hit her, it was an amazing thing. even taking away the e-mails. that's a big thing to take away all of a sudden. he just gave that up which for
him i think is a very big mistake. >> in the past presidents have put the people from the other party in their cabinets. who would you consider from the democratic party putting in your candidate? >> i wouldn't want to use names but certainly if a person was very talented, happened to be a democrat, i would have no problem with that. if there's somebody with immense talent -- we need people with great talent to run our country. $19 trillion in debt. everything about it is trouble, whether it's isis, whether it's our military, whether it's we don't take care of our vets, no matter what, you look -- katy, you look around, everything we have is trouble. and if there were somebody on the other side that i thought was an immense talent, i would use that person without hesitation. >> this country is divided. you've done tremendously in business. if you don't like a deal, you can walk away from it. you can't walk away from congress. what happens if they decide something that you don't agree with? >> well, first of all, i really am a unifier. people find that hard to believe
but i've built a company based on having tremendous relationships with lots of different people, including democrats. i mean, you know, i get criticized because i've supported democrats. i was a businessman. i support everybody. i got along great. i have great relationships with people. i think that people will be really surprised to see how well -- if i win, and i become president, i think you'll see a tremendous unification of the country, and i think people are maybe a little surprised because i can be a tough cookie, but we have to be a tough cookie. when we are being ripped to shreds by almost everybody that we do business with, ripped to shreds, we don't make good deals anymore. it's very interesting. i was saying the other day we don't win anymore. we don't win. where do we win? isis is beating us. iran is beating us. russia is beating us. china is killing us. we don't win. we don't have victories anymore. and we to have victories. we will have so many victories if i win that they'll be pouring out of your ears. >> your team wants us to wrap up
but i want to ask you about russia. dutch investigators just found that the missile was fired at mh-17 -- it was a russian-made buk missile that took down that plane. western governments including the u.s. have blamed it on russian separatists. 290 people on that plane. >> terrible. >> one american citizen. i spoke to the family who is lost loved ones. they were demanding somebody this be held accountable. if you were president, would you hold putin and russia accountable? would there be sanctions? >> they say it wasn't them. it may have been their weapon but they didn't use it, they didn't fire it. they even said the other side fired it to blame them. to be honest with you, you'll probably never know for sure. it was probably russia. it was probably people involved with -- on the pro russia side. but i think we have to straighten our own problems out right now, katy. we have some very big problems. and we can get involved in all of these. it's a horrible thing, all those people dying. it is just -- >> commercial airliner. had an american citizen on it. >> i think it's horrible.
but they're saying it wasn't them. the other side says it is them. and we're going to go through that argument probably for 50 years and nobody's ever going to know. probably was russia. but at the same time, it's ban long way. a long ways away. we have to get back to making america great again. we have to get back to rebuilding our country, our infrastructure, our schools, our roads, our airports. we have to do something. we can't just fight with everybody. that's a horrible situation. when i first heard it i said unthinkable. it could have been a mistake. it could have been they fired the missile and hit a plane by mistake. regardless, it's terrible. but we really probably won't know for sure and you'll probably never find out. there are only a few people that know. one of them could be putin, frankly, and we know one thing, he's not going to be talking about it. >> ready for us now? >> lauren michaels is a talented guy and called me and said would you do "saturday night live." it's an honor to do it. >> got any impressions under
your belt? >> no. i don't know. they're going to give me some things. >> would you do hillary? >> i would do her, certainly. >> can i see it? >> no, you're not going to see it now. we'll have to save that for loren. what about jeb? do you have an impression of him? >> no. he's a nice man. he just hasn't resonated. and in a way it's too bad and in a way it's a little bit sad. >> katy tur's interview with donald trump. i have to ask you, you're in a room that looks very spare with some posters on the wall. what are the atmospherics? where were you? >> it's almost like a construction site. we're in trump tower on the fifth floor of trump tower and it's his campaign headquarters. it's this big room. there's no ceiling. there are posters on the walls. it is not a finely furnished foyer or finely furnished office. but it's his campaign headquarters. i could count about eight people that work there. it's an interesting place to see
donald trump. >> is that on purpose? did the campaign say we want to do it here rather than the gilded apartment that we've seen before? >> they said they're using that floor because they haven't rented it out yet, might as well use it before it's rented out. i think that's also where they filmed much of "the apprentice." >> fascinating interview. thanks for bringing that to us. i want to turn to steven kornacki in the newsroom. as you listen to that, and you notice he didn't really take on ben carson in a way that he might have, what do you read? >> yeah, well, we have some new numbers that might help explain that pap lot of new polling numbers out today, stuff for donald trump to feel good about. new national poll that gives him the lead. we're familiar with these polls. he's ahead once again. 24-23 in the new ex-fox news poll. 23 for ben carson. third place, the only other candidate in double digits. that's ted cruz with 10%. part of the kinder, gentler trump strategy might be thinking ahead a few months and saying if this field starts to narrow, if cruz goes away, carson goes
away, i want to inherit that support because you add those three numbers up you're well over 50%. that might be part of the strategy. these are fresh numbers from today, nevada, a key early state, donald trump on the republican side, 16 point ace head out there, 38-22 over ben carson. take a look at south carolina. the crucial first in the south primary state. look at this. donald trump doubling up ben carson there, 36% to 18%. everybody else stuck back in single digits. here's one other thing that caught my eye today. i want to point this out because when you talk about donald trump leading in the national polls, something we have been hearing from the trump skeptic, and there are lots of trump skeptics out there, but we've been hearing it far long time now is herman cain led four years ago or newt gingrich led four years ago as if trump is just another version of that. four years ago if you looked at the polls newt gingrich led far total of 53 days in that campaign, rick perry a total of
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for a full recap and scorecard of the candidates we turn again to steven kornacki. >> fooip candidates on the stage, some names people might not have been familiar with going in, but what were the goals for each one of these candidates? then the question -- did they meet their goals? let's take a look. start with probably the name people were least familiar with going into last night, lincoln chafee, former governor of rhode island, former senator from rhode island. he got tripped up badly on a question about a vote he cast in the u.s. senate back in 1999. he basically said, hey, don't blame me, i was brand-new to the senate, i didn't know what i was voting on. not a good thing. that was the only memorable thing about his performance. his goal was to be relevant to the discussion and relevant going forward. i don't think he met that goal. same for jim webb. he spent a lot of time last night arguing with the moderator or anderson cooper, asking for more time. probably the most memorable thing for jim webb.
i don't think he established his relevance to this race either. it gets more interesting when you talk about martin o'malley, the former maryland governor. when this race began, martin o'malley believed that his ticket to victory and relevance was to establish himself as the main liberal alternative to hillary clinton. what has happened, though, what he didn't see coming was that bernie sanders has basically claimed that turf and martin o'malley has been a forgotten man so far in this campaign. his goal last night was to show that he and not bernie sanders should have more credibility with liberal voters looking for an alternative to hillary. that is why he went after bernie sanders hard on the issue of guns. >> i come from a rural state, and the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states, whether he like it or not. >> senator, it's not about rural and urban. >> it is. >> have you ever been to the eastern shore, to western maryland? we were able to pass this and still respect the hunting traditions of people who live in
our rural arias, and we did it by leading with principle, not by pandering to the nra and backing down to the nra. >> now, the problem for aem aem was there were not many other issues where he could go after sanders like that, and this issue here, guns, is also an issue where hillary clinton went after bernie sanders. so when it comes to martin o'malley establishing himself as a more consistent or more trustworthy voice for liberals, i don't think he met that goal last night. he still may struggle to get attention going forward. let's take a look at bernie sanders now. bernie sanders had moouchd into second place nationally, was ahead in some of the early polls. the question last night was could he use this forum to grow his support. i think the surprise about bernie sanders last night, though, was we think so much about his message on economic issue, about inequality, about wall street excesses, well so, much of the debate in the first hour focused on an issue that bernie sanders doesn't talk much about, foreign policy, and that showed. his lack of preparation on foreign policy showed when he
was asked this question about vladimir putin. >> well, i think mr. putin is going to regret what he is doing. i think that when he gets into the -- >> he doesn't seem to be the type of guy that regrets a lot. i think he is rel lay reg t regretting crimea and ukraine and the decline of his economy and what he's trying to do now is save some face. >> it was rough going for bernie sanders in the first part of the debate last night. and the risk for bernie sanders who has already cornered the market on a lot of the activists in the democratic party, the activists on the left who are upset with wall street and inequality, the question was could he prove to other democrats, more skeptical democrats, that he really is a mainstream candidate who their party could nominate, and not being prepared on foreign policy questions to the degree a more
mainstream candidate needs to be may hurt him going forward. bernie sanders may have to step up his preparation for future debates. let's take a look at that last candidate up on the stage last night, of course hillary clinton, most people saying she was the winner of that debate last night. the most interesting thing that hillary clinton did that i don't think people saw coming was she showed up ready to go on the attack very early on. the comment that bernie sanders made a few days ago on "meet the press" where he said he's not a capitalist, that was raised. hillary clinton did not need to get into that discussion, but she proactively decided to insert herself into that discussion and attack bernie sanders on that subject. let's play that. >> i think what senator sanders is saying makes sense in the terms of inequality. i love denmark. but we're not denmark. we're the united states. it's our job to rein in the excesses of capitalism so it doesn't run amok and doesn't cause the kind of inequities
we're seeing in our economic system. we would be making a grave mistake to turn our backs on what built the greatest middle class in the history of the world. >> what i think you were seeing there was hillary clinton was thinking of the guy who wasn't on stage, joe biden, and maybe trying to deliver bit of message to him that, hey, if you get in this race, this is the kind of bare-knuckles politics you can expect from me. do you want to be dealing with that. >> people saying maybe it wasn't a great night for joe biden last night. >> we'll talk more about that later. >> steven kornacki, thanks so much. up next, a look at the big issues tackled last night, including clinton's e-mails, foreign policy, and gun control. and a hollywood star goes public about seeking help for postpartum depression. the dangerous reality facing more moms than you might think. we continue to watch the developing news in las vegas. lamar odom found unconscious in a brothel. here's a little healthy advice.
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developing right now, former nba and reality tv star lamar odom is reportedly fighting for his life this hour at a las vegas hospital. the 35-year-old ex-husband of khloe kardashian was airlifted to a local hospital yesterday after he was found unconscious inside a legal nevada brothel. the brothel's owner said odom had been partying since saturday and was taking an herbal sexual enhancement drug. >> when we called 911, immediately called 911, and the 911 said roll him on his left side, and my management did that. and he started throwing up all kinds of stuff. he was taking excessive amount of herbal viagra. now, not to say that he wasn't doing any drugs, but nobody saw anything like that. >> joining us now e-news reporter ken baker live outside that hospital in las vegas. what are your sources telling you this hour about odom's condition? >> well, he remains according to tour sources in critical condition. he's uncontinue, and -- uncons
and in a coma. we're toll he's unresponsive and his condition has not improved. the doctors are monitoring him. he's been at this hospital now for well over 15, 16 hours that' he is been here. we've seen a stream of family, friends, former teammates including koeshbe bryant, who i told is still by his bedside ever since he came here last night. khloe kardashian, lamar's ex-wife is here, along with other members of the kardashian family, who are very close to lamar. we're told that everyone is hoping for the best and unfortunately preparing for the worst. >> all right. ken, you know, he's had kind of a rough time lately it would seem. if you look at a clip we have from the latest episode of "keeping up with the kardashians," in it they talk about lamar's best friend dying. this is just from two weeks ago. >> lamar has suffered so much loss in his life. >> i'm always going to be there for lamar, especially when
something as tragic as this happens. >> okay. >> one [ bleep ] death after another. i can't handle it. >> is he okay? >> he's as good as can be expected type of thing. >> i'm really on high alert for lamar because, i mean, anything i think will set him to spiral and that's kind of the last thing i want for him. >> ken, that ard just a couple weeks ago. obviously reyal tv shows are shot prior to when they air, but was there still a lot of concern about the path he was on right now? >> absolutely. this was a big concern for khloe. i've been told for quite some time that khloe was staying in touch with him because frankly she was very concerned about his well-being and certainly he charles hadlock issis -- had ha issues with drugs and had been struggling with that for quite some time. what you saw in that clip was very sincere. i will tell you that khloe was here within three or four hours.
she was in los angeles. she and her sister kim and her mom, kris, got on a private jet and were here within three or four hours after finding out lamar this was hospitalized. there's stale lot of love and care for him. the fact former teammates are coming here, take tharg time to come and be with him, support the family and friends is really touching. >> we're just hearing, ken, there's going to be a press conference tonight. i don't know if you've heard that yet. >> yes. >> 7:00 p.m. eastern time. i think that's 4:00 where you are. do you know what we can expect, who's speaking there? >> well, the sheriff's department is going to be holding that press conference. certainly there's a lot of questions. they have not indicated that this is a criminal investigation. so that could change the story into a whole other direction. we're going to find that out hopefully. also we don't know a lot about the circumstances other than the owner of that brothel, which by the way is a legal brothel, it's legal in that county in nevada, prostitution is not legal here in clark county, where las vegas
is, but it is legal -- but if there is any illegal activity, they're searching for witnesses, statements, we'll hopefully try to get some answers to that question because certainly he was not alone. there were many eyewitnesses to what happened, and so right now there's a lot of unanswered questions. the one thing we do know, however, is lamar odom is here unconscious and unresponsive, and people can just sort of hope for a recovery. >> and people are. hollywood -- you mentioned people showing up at his bedside. on twitter we were looking earlier, ken, it's been an outpouring for him. >> well, you know, lamar was -- you know, is a very beloved guy. he was very popular in los angeles for many years, had a long nba career, very successful. he remitted the united states in the olympics at the athens games. you know, lamar is a very popular guy who had a lot of personal demons, a lot of tragedy in his life, and the fact that it culminated
unfortunately in this weekend was not a surprise to a lot of people. and there's a lot of people who have reached out to lamar over the years, principally his ex-wife, khloe, and lot of people who have reached out to him over the years to help him are now with him in the hospital right now. >> ken baker with the network e-news. thanks so much. we'll keep coming back to you hopefully for better news. up next, back to politics and the issues that united and divided the democratic hopefuls last night. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?
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people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails! >> thank you. me too, me too! >> the american people want to know whether we're going to have a democracy or an oligarchy as a result of citizens united. enough of the e-mails, let's talk about the real issues facing america. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you, bernie. thank you. >> joining me now, nbc news political analyst and former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and although democratic political strategist angela rye. ed, let me start with you. i think people going into the debate might have been surprised to hear -- they didn't expect for bernie sanders to be defending hillary clinton. did he make a mistake not going after her on the e-mails? >> no, i don't think so. the e-mails have never been a big issue in the democratic polls. it wasn't the e-mails that drove democrats to support bernie
sanders. that was not an issue of importance in their selecting bernie as the candidate of choice. and he also, by looking like someone who was willing to close ranks, he raised a lot of money off of that. within seconds, his campaign sent out an e-mail, which had that video on it of him saying what he did, and i'm told they raised $1.3 million in a short period of time. so i think it turned out to be a very smart political move. >> we have the numbers here. it was over $1.3 million. individual contributions, 37,600 people sending in an average of $34.58. angela, this to some extent is what his fans wanted to see from bernie sanders, right? >> absolutely. i think, you know, two clear winners in this debate, one of them was bernie sanders. more on style than substance. he continued to go back to his talking points, even when they
weren't necessarily as relevant and even got a little stuck when talking about putin may end up regretting something, and we all know that guy is pretty doggone stubborn and anderson cooper called him out for it. the other part, hillary clinton demonstrated why she was winning debates in 2008 and why she is not only a formidable candidate, but why she's also a formidable debater. they were light years of what a lot of articles were calling everyone else. these folks didn't even get names anymore. i was kind of surprised, because martin o'malley is normally a very charismatic, has great oratory skills. he struck me by far as the most inauthentic person on the stage last night. >> let me ask you about some new sound, ed. it's chuck todd speaking with john kasich about the dynamic in the republican field. take a listen. >> the guys running the
traditional campaigns, spending the most money, you and bush and rubio, you guys aren't beating the guys running these non-traditional campaigns. what do you make of it? what do you make of ben carson? >> i think that they're like -- i don't like what's going on and by the way, i've been pounded every day by the media telling me how bad everything is. so therefore i don't like anything, and i just try something new. but it's not human nature. >> so you still -- >> let's just say this. >> i think when people have a health problem, sometimes they go into alternative medicine. then when it gets real serious, they go to a regular doctor. >> this will air on "mtp daily" coming up at 5:00 p.m. eastern. ed, is there a parallel for the democratic field, do people kick the tires and end up with hillary clinton eventually? >> i think that's eventually what's going to happen. i think bernie did well last
night in terms of showing his passion and authenticity on the issues he believes in, but if you weren't a sanders devotee and you were trying to make up your mind, you have to be troubled by the foreign policy questions, and you have to be troubled by the gun question. i thought i knew the nuances of the gun question. i never knew that bernie sanders voted against the brady bill five times. that's extremely troubling for a lot of democrats. so i think although bernie did well in solidifying his base, i think in terms offic approximating up undecideds or taking voters away from hillary clinton, he probably didn't do it. and i thought her performance was masterful, as was said. she was a great debater in 2008. went against the great orator in democrat politics in my lifetime and beat him in most of the debates. so it was a great night for
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a violent day of clashes in israel, our cameras catch a shooting in the heart of jerusalem, as the violence between israelis and palestinians grows worse. and new comments from donald trump on the benghazi committee and the investigation of hillary clinton's e-mails. game-changer. in the hours after last night's democratic debate, who's up, who's down, who might be out? we'll break it all down for and you fact-check the candidates on what they said. but first, the breaking news we've been covering throughout our show, a violent day in israel and one deadly scene that played out in front of our cameras in jerusalem today. msnbc ayman mow heldin was preparing for a live shot when a man was shot by israeli police. [ shouting and gunfire ]
>> we're stopping the tape there, not to show all of that scene. at least a dozen shots were fired as the man who was carried a knife in his right hand fell dot ground. moments later, this report. >> about five minutes ago, not too long ago, we were standing here, very quiet, very calm scene. off to my right there was an israeli security checkpoint that had been checking young palestinian men coming into the old city and entering through damascus gate. as that was happening, an individual came running around the corner, began running down these stairs, and it was at that point israeli security forces shouted at him to either stop or to prevent him from going further. he did not heed their calls, continued running, and by the time he got down to the street level, or to the entrance point of damascus gate where police are setting off that cordon, gun
shots began firing out. >> a police spokesman said the man was a terrorist and police were responding to an attempted stabbing attack. later in the day, another palestinian man was shot and killed near the central bus station after stabbing an israeli woman. the woman, we're told, is in moderate condition. bill neily joins us now on the phone live from jerusalem. bill, it's late at night there now, what's the scene now? >> reporter: well, kate, this is a city of fear and suspicion. yesterday, you had five attacks by lunch time. this morning, you had two killings of palestinian men within two hours. the horrific event you've just shown there, i was on the scene about 20 minutes later and as you say, the police say that they saw this young man. he was dressed in combat clothing. they were a bit suspicious about him. they questioned him. he pulled a knife.
he ran. they shouted at him and eventually in a spray of bullets, he was shot dead in front of our cameras. less than two hours later, another palestinian man stabbed a woman in her 70s at the central bus station. he then tried to board a bus. the driver prevented him, and he too was shot dead. and i think what's worrying people here is the frequency with which these events are now happening. they seem to be random, spontaneous. there seems to be no leadership. it's not that anyone is calling for these events. it's not that these men who are doing this and it's not just men, there are women involved as well, aren't connected with any terrorist groups. this seems to be a leaderless uprising. i mean, that's the danger. is this an uprising?
is this an interfada, a third interfattah, or just a series of unconnected events? and that's what's got people on edge, kate. because we can't connect this to any event. it's not being called by the palestinian leadership. it's extremely worrying and this is a city, as i say, of fear and of great suspicion. israelis afraid they may be the next to be stabbed. palestinians afraid they may be the next to be shot as terrorists. >> bill neily reporting on the phone for us from israel. bill, thank you. i want to bring in israeli police spokesperson mickey rosenfeld, who is with us live now from israel. thank you for joining us, for being with us at a difficult time. as bill just said, this is sort of a new atmosphere for you. it doesn't look like there's a lot of planned strategy behind these attacks. how do you protect the people of jerusalem? >> well, first of all, the
streets in general are covered with police officers that have been mobilized from all across the country. since the first wave of attacks, just over ten days ago, more than 3,500 police officers in and around the different areas with emphasis on the old city in jerusalem. operations are continuing to find those potential terrorists, at the same time, respond to any ongoing terrorist attacks that have taken place across jerusalem. within the last ten days, there have been ten terrorists captured. and a further eight terrorists shot and killed after stabbing and attempting to stab our police officers and innocent israelis across the streets of jerusalem and other parts of the country. >> let me ask you, mr. rosenfeld about what we witnessed on our cameras today, a young man running through the damascus gate, shot apparently over a dozen times. again and again. we heard the shots. is that kind of violence
necessary? >> the response of the israeli police comes exactly when they were in danger. each different attack is different both in terms of the scenario, in terms of the areas that they're taking place. you have to understand our police officers make split-second decisions especially when there are knives at close range. we've had cases where female terrorists have been shot in the lower part of the body and apprehended and brought in for questioning after receiving treatme treatment. but the main emphasis is extra police units in and around jerusalem. at the same time, finding those potential terrorists, the lone-wolf terrorists in and woond the different areas, that have come out of the close areas, literally within a mile or two from the old city, and our units are being careful and cautious to patrol the sensitive areas in order to make sure that the streets are relatively safe. if our police officers wouldn't have responded as quick as they
had at the central bus station this evening in jerusalem, more israelis could have been injured and possibly killed. >> israel's military said it's going to deploy hundreds of troops to assist police forces. do you envision a ramp-up in terms of troops coming in to support your officers? >> well, after yesterday evening's government cabinet meeting in jerusalem, it would decided 300 soldiers will work under the command of the israeli national police. at the same time, also what was taken into effect today, there were certain roadblocks that were set up, in order to have more control on the ground level of individuals that are coming in and out of the different neighborhoods. just yesterday three terrorists who carried out that attack in jerusalem where three israelis were killed, all came from jaba
mull caba. so it's definitely necessary and we're carrying out security assessments on a day-to-day basis. >> mickey rosenfeld, thank you for being with us. let's turn to former senator and u.s. envoy to the mid east george mitchell. you've been listening to all of this. i was there summer of 2014 and i remember at the time, people talking about bubbling up and the palestinians, they would say there's unrest and that perhaps we're headed to another interfada, a word for uprising. is that where we are right now? >> it could be. in the year 2000, i chaired a commission which was organized in the wake of the second interfada and the most striking aspect of our findings was how quickly it spiraled out of control of either side, unintended in a real sense, but the tension, the emotions, the hostility of conflict lead to a spiraling of attitudes and
ultimately death and destruction on both sides. i think it's a very dangerous situation. no one can know for sure what will happen, but i think that leaders on all sides have to be especially active in trying to rein this in. >> for people who don't know the region that well, i found that until i went there and saw it with my own eyes, it's sometimes hard to understand the geography. what is causing so much strife between these two populations? is it the fact that the palestinians have increasingly been moved into smaller areas? >> well, it's a complex mixture of history, motives and attitudes. but of course the issue is whether palestinians will have a state and whether the israelis will have reasonable and sustainable security for their people. the american position enunciated clearly by president george w. bush before he left office is
that both should occur, that israel ought to have security for its people, and the palestinians ought to have an independent, sovereign and non-militarized state. and that both should be invested in the other's success because that's the only way they can get what they want. unfortunately, the two-state solution has been around a long time. many presidents, many secretaries of state, many palestinian and arab leaders, it hasn't succeeded, but no credible alternative has been presented. >> do you see a way out of the current situation? bill neily was talking about how these attacks seem random and haphazard and not organized. if you were going in to try to mediate, how do you even mediate something like that? >> well, i think you have to -- the united states has an obligation, i believe, and with our allies to strongly encourage the palestinian and israeli leaders to the extent they control the situation, which as you point out, is not fully --
to tamp it down and create an opening for some kind of process that will lead to discussions between the parties. it's very hard to do. it's easy to say these things, extremely hard to do them. there really is no alternative. people say, it hasn't worked so far, that's true. but you can't let failure prevent any further effort because the alternative would be devastating to both. a third interfada would result in a lot of palestinians killed and a lot of damage to palestinian territory. there will be fewer israelis killed and less damage, but israel will suffer tremendously both from the burden of dealing with the interfada and the consequences of what would result. it would be devastating for both sides. so both leerps leaderships have an obligation to stand up and say, this must end and get the two of them together to talk about trying to find a real solution. >> the obama white house just today, the spokesperson saying the u.s. has to facilitate
conversations. former senator george mitchell, thank you for being with us. >> thank you, kate. still to come, a brand new interview with hillary clinton, one of her first since last night's debate. stay with us. looks like some folks have had it with their airline credit card miles. sometimes those seats cost a ridiculous number of miles... or there's a fee to use them. i know. it's so frustrating. they'd be a lot happier with the capital one venture card. and you would, too! why? it's so easy with venture. you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. just book any flight you want then use your miles to cover the cost. now, that's more like it. what's in your wallet? ♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
today in a wide-ranging interview with msnbc's katy tur, donald trump shared new insight on hillary clinton's e-mails and her accusation that the benghazi committee is pursuing a partisan investigation designed to discredit her. here's some of that interview. >> she thinks the republicans are pushing benghazi. do you find that to be the case? do you think we've done enough
with this and that we should move on as a country? >> i guess they'll go through a hearing, we're gonna see and certainly it wasn't helped by what's been happening over the last week or so. but i would say this, it's not the biggest thing in terms of my own thought process. i have a lot of respect for trey and the people on the committee, and i think they are legitimately honorable people. i think they're doing the right thing. benghazi is one of many things. hillary had a bad record as secretary of state. tremendous mistakes. the whole world is blowing up around us, and it was during her term essentially, plus a couple of years as kerry. and kerry goes down as the worst of all time because of the horrible deal with iran. there's no way you can defend that deal and i think she's very much trying to defend it. but hillary has had such a bad time as secretary of state, that i really think that she is going
to be rather easy to beat. >> you said she did her job last night. and she's universally known as a pretty good debater. >> yeah. >> if you go up against her, do you think she'll be formidable? >> oh, look, everybody's formidable. who do you meets nowadays, they reach a certain level, they're formidable. i think she did her job. she got through the debate. i thought she won the debate. i thought bernie was off. he was not doing so well. i thought the other people shouldn't even be up there, to be honest with you. i thought a couple of them were ridiculous. it's always tough when you have people that shouldn't be there, taking up a lot of time and effort and you'd like to hear more from the people that really have a chance to win. in all fairness, the republicans have the same situation going, so it's one of those things. >> joining me now to discuss, perry bacon and mercedes schl p schlapp, a veteran of the george w. bush white house. let me start with -- i can't
talk today -- let me start with you, mercedes. you heard trump saying the e-mail situation, the benghazi committee, not the biggest thing in terms of my own thought process. those were his words. that's not exactly the gop party line. >> sure. we can psycho analyze that one statement alone. you know, i don't think that donald trump is obviously focused on the benghazi committee per se, but it's obviously an issue in the hillary clinton campaign where literally it was a very dark moment when hillary clinton was secretary of state. when you have the death of these four americans, one being ambassador stevens and because of this benghazi committee, they've unravelled the fact she's had this private server. so from that, came a lot of issues that remember handled from her e-mail and have plagued her campaign. >> he also talked about ben carson. the polls have them neck and
neck right now. take a listen to what he said about ben carson. >> you're still leading in all the polls, but ben carson is within the margin of error, 23 to your 24. why do you think he's doing so well? >> i don't know. he's a nice person. i don't know why he's doing so well. i will bring america to a new level. i will negotiate deals that nobody can negotiate like i do. nobody is going to be able to do the kind of things i can do. ben, that's not his thing. but he certainly seems to be resonating and the two of us together, i guess we're at 50% or something like that, and everyone's sort of amazed because we haven't been politicians. i've been doing this for three months and he's been doing it for about the same time, which is not saying much for the politicians, frankly. >> would you make him your vp? >> i mean, certainly. look, i like him, i respect him, he's been very nice to me, i've been very nice to him. i don't know that that's going to continue. in a way, i hope not, because
everybody that's attacked me has gone down. but we'll see what happens. he's bn very respectful and i've been very respectful to him. as far as vp, it's far too early to say, and you have a lot of very talented people out there. some of the people that are running against me right now are very talented people. >> if this continues, will you take out ads against him? >> i don't know. it's too early to say. i don't think i'll have to. i think people are going to learn a lot about me, a lot about him. they already have. this really is a cleansing process. let's face it. it's an amazing proiss when you go through it. >> donald trump saying that he thinks carson certainly seems to be resonating. doesn't even use a single adjective to describe ben carson about others of his opponents. why the truce? >> he's been pretty consistent so far. when he people attack trump, he attacks them back. rand paul, rubio, jeb bush, when they've criticized him. trump is savvy about politics.
my sense is he views attacking carson, who is very popular, and not attacking his opponents either, so it probably would not look that great to pile on ben carson, the most non-aggressive candidate in terms of criticizing opponents of the field. >> and trump did go after sanders today, did you see this instagram video? let's take a quick look if we have that. >> the world is a dangerous place. we need a tough, strong leader. and it's not this guy. ♪ >> donald trump going after bernie sanders in a funny kind of tongue in cheek video, but what do you make of that? >> well, i think you've glot donald trump on the one hand, the capitalist king, to bernie sanders, being the socialist king.
talk about polar opposites in the sense of where they are from a tax policy standpoint, in terms of what role the federal government should play in the united states. they really are on the different ends of the spectrum there. so it was interesting that donald trump chose to go after bernie sanders as opposed to hillary clinton, which is who did very well in the debate last night and is probably going to be the democratic nominee. >> perry, he called her formidable. >> he likes playing pundits. that's what everyone else said last night too. it happens to be accurate and donald trump was smart to say that. not surprised he attacked sanders. the trump campaign, his thing is i'm tough, i can lead, i'm the one who can command. it's more about toughness than about policy. at that moment, sanders did not appear tough and i think trump, it's a good contrast for what trump's trying to run on. >> thank you both for being with us. and what did last night mean for joe biden? how did he watch the debate? that's coming up next. surprise!
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with speculation still swirling around joe biden, the vice president was in washington today, where he held a roundtable on infrastructure at the white house. and for the first time, the vice president gave his thoughts on last night's debate in las vegas. >> i was proud of -- i thought they all did well, and, you know, part of what has to be done, we have to -- [ inaudible ] >> joe biden off mike there, saying he was proud of everyone on the stage. i want to bring in kelly o'donnell at the white house. i feel like i ask this every day. biden, a decision, soon? >> kate, it's become d.c.'s maybe most popular pastime, will he, or won't he run? and as you pointed out, that off-mike comment tells you a little something. that was reporters kind of pushing the vice president to
give us something, some clue we might be able to read. what i thought was notable about that, when he was praising the democrats who were on the debate stage, if you're intending to run, perhaps you might find some other comment than overt praise for your would-be competitors, but we'll have to see on that. and certainly the vice president has indicated for some time some slipping deadlines of his own and focused on a decision that is very personal within his family, what he wants to do, how much time, energy, and commitment he could make, going beyond his term as vice president if he were to be successful in a race. so while many people think it's outside factors like the widely praised performance of hillary clinton's performance in last night's debate. seemed josh earnest had that same idea when he was asked to comment on the state of biden's
potential candidacy. >> the decision he has to make about a presidential campaign is rooted in a decision about his own presidential campaign, not anybody else's. i take him at his word when he says that. >> so, officially, kate, aides are not commenting, except to say there's no decision yes or no. and the vice president has been keeping to a public schedule of things here at the white house, meetings and so forth. so we're looking for clues and so far, not finding much to read beyond the fact that he's not saying anything that leads us to think yes, he will, perhaps you could interpret some of his most recent public statements as leading more towards maybe he won't. praising your potential opponents might be one of those things. >> i don't envy you, having to read the tea leaves. last night the conventional wisdom seemed to be because hillary clinton had a good night and bernie sanders had a good night, there were no giant
gaffs, maybe that's not so good for joe biden? >> i think that's a fair assessment if you're looking at the snapshot of a campaign season. we've seen highs and lows for many campaigns and candidates, both on the democratic side and the republican side. so it would seem hard for me to believe that the vice president would make a decision based on only one event as important as it was, the first big debate. he might be looking for a longer term. but there's the question of when you saw how clinton and sanders performed and the others on the stage, is there a lane for joe biden, where he could make a specific appeal to voters that would distinguish him from clinton or sanders? that's something he's got to figure out and when you saw how they sort of tapped all the key notes for democrats last night, that's a harder path to find. kate? >> john podesta saying today to andrea mitchell he needs to make a decision one way or another. thanks so much. and a hollywood star goes public about seeking help for
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now to a developing story we've been watching overseas. senior u.s. defense and military officials telling nbc news this hour, a large number of iranian troops are positioning themselves for a major assault in syria. for more on this latest development, nbc's chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski joins us now. >> it's been no secret for many years that the iranians have been assisting the syrian assad forces in trying to turn back the rebels attempting to overthrow the assad regime. but in this case, according to u.s. military and intelligence officials, more than a thousand, at least a thousand, maybe more, iranian forces have been inserted into syria and along with hezbollah fighters from lebanon, appear intent on retaking the city of aleppo.
now throw in the soviets -- i'm sorry -- the russians who have been flying in heavy artillery, heavy tanks, rocket launchers and conducting air strikes in that region around aleppo, syria's largest city, which has been held by a mixture of all sorts of military forces -- syrian, the al-nusra front, some moderate rebels and even most recently some isis fighters. the feeling here among some officials is that the russians and iranians are going to assist syria in attempting to re-take aleppo. that would be a huge prize for bashar al assad who the russians, it's believed, may be trying to position him in a place where he could claim victory and then -- this is looking on the bright side -- and only then might he be
willing to leave his command there in syria. kate? >> major development possibly here, though, if that's what's happening. >> absolutely. and it almost answers the question, why is russia putting all that equipment into syria, retaking aleppo appears to be a prime target. >> jim, we'll stay in touch. thanks so much. meantime, this just in to msnbc, hillary clinton moments ago, giving an interview to our nbc affiliate in denver, weighing in at length about last night's debate. here's what she had to say. >> how goes the craziest job interview one could imagine on the face of the planet? >> that's a great question, brandon. i haven't been asked that maybe ever, certainly not for a long time. you know, look, it's an incredibly challenging and rewarding process. we have the most complicated, longest, most difficult process to choose our leader, of probably any country in the
world, certainly any democracy. but it's a big complicated country and the stakes are high, and therefore i'm traveling around and enjoying it, talking to people, listening to people, and doing the best job that i can to earn their vote. >> all right, let's try to get to a bunch of topics here. your closest opponent in the democratic primary is making some pretty good in roads describing himself as a democratic socialist. is there anything wrong with democratic socialism? >> well, i'm a progressive democrat, so i'm not going to comment on labels other people apply to themselves. i want to talk about what i will do and what i've done during the course of my public life, to try to bring people together, to try to solve problems, to try to come up with new solutions, something that i believe strongly is in the best interest of america. so i'm going to leave the labels to others. i'm going to talk about what my approaches are. and what my solutions are. >> not a brand you would
identify yourself with, though? >> no. >> okay. i want to move on to marijuana. you said at the debate that you're not ready to itake a position on legalization of marijuana. but colorado voters need to know how a hillary clinton administration would treat us. would you promise not to use federal authority to shut down or interfere with the legal marijuana system we have in colorado and other states? >> i really believe it's important that states like colorado lead the way, so that we can learn what works and what doesn't work. and i would certainly not want the federal government to interfere with the legal decision made by the people of colorado, and enforced by your elected officials, as to how you should be conducting this business that you have approved. so, no, i want to give you the space and i want other states to learn from you, what works and what doesn't work. >> okay. i'm not going to ask you a
trustworthiness question about the e-mail issue. but i do want to ask a judgment question. you used a small denver company called plait river networks to manage your private server. it appears now the data got backed up to a cloud server somewhere else without your knowledge or consent. plait river told me, if it knew and it's not in the business of asking, but if it knew that you were planning to send state department-type information through the system, this is not the system they would have set you up with. you're the nation's top diplomat in that role, you got to know what you're sending through communications is valuable to foreign intelligence, did any part of you think maybe this isn't a good idea? >> look, i've taken responsibility for what i did. it was a mistake. the state department allowed it at the time. and i've tried to be as transparent as possible. i'll be appearing before the congress next week and answering a lot of questions that they may
have. although, now it's clear that this whole effort was set up for political partisan purposes, not to try to get to any useful end. but i'll be in a position to respond and the american people can listen and watch and draw their own conclusions. >> but to someone who thinks that might have been a foolish move, what would you say about your judgment generally? >> well, nothing i sent or received was marked classified at the time. that is an absolute fact. it's been verified over and over and over again. so i think that we'll have a chance to explain what that means, if people don't understand it. >> hillary clinton speaking there with brandon ritman of kusa, our denver affiliate. one of the headlines there, she would not interfere with colorado's decision to legalize marijuana. she also commented on the debate and several other things, and we'll be right back. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count.
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roll him on his left side, and my management did that, and he started throwing up all kinds of stuff. he was taking an excessive amount of herbal viagra, not to say that he wasn't doing any drugs, but nobody saw anything like that. >> nbc's morgan radford is in los angeles with the latest. what are we hearing about a press conference tonight. >> that press conference will be at 4:00 p.m. pacific time, and at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. as you mentioned, lamar odom is fighting for his life inside sunrise hospital now in las vegas. that again is after being found unconscious at 3:15 on tuesday inside a legal nevada brothel. e! news has confirmed he's hooked up to a ventilator. multiple drugs were found inside his system. he suffered at least one stroke, and he has suffered brain damage, although he is not brain dead. you heard the owner, dennis hof,
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>> morgan, with the latest on lamar odom. we should clarify that nbc news has not confirmed what drugs he may or may not have been taking. turning now to an issue that affects millions of american women, postpartum depression, it's receiving new found attention after actress hayden panettiere announced she's seeking treatment for it. she spoke openly about her struggle with postpartum depression after giving birth to her daughter last winter. >> it's something that i know a lot of women experience. >> the nashville actress welcomed daughter kaya in december 2014 and tuesday her reps confirmed she's now seeking treatment. she's voluntarily seeking professional help as she's currently battling postpartum depression. it's considered one of the most common complications of
pregnancy, doctors say it's often underrecognized and under treat treated. >> when it gets to the point where it interferes with the mother's ability to care for herself is when she should probably seek help. >> panettiere is not the first celebrity to shed light on postpartum depression. >> and i was part of an entire percentage of women that experienced frightful thoughts and fearful images and have no connection with their children. >> an estimated 1 in 7 new mothers experiences some form of postpartum mood or anxiety disorder. >> you don't realize what broad a spectrum you can really experience that on. and it's something i think that needs to be talked about, and women need ton they're not alone. >> joining me now, nbc news medical contributor dr. natalie
azar. this affects a lot of women. i had a little bit of it myself with my two kids. when do you know that it's a severe problem? when do you know? >> so technically by definition, once your baby blues have hit the two-week mark. i was thinking about this beforehand, it's not like day 14, you have baby blues and day 15 you have postpartum depression, but generally speaking, your hormones are crashing, your world is turned upside down. it's completely normal to feel overwhelmed, irritable, sad. >> check, check, check, check, check. >> by three weeks, it should be lifting. if the symptoms go longer than that, they are pro longed and more importantly, more severe. so we're talking about real bona fide symptoms of depression, feelings of hopelessness,
helplessness, certainly feelings of hurting yourself or anybody else, those kinds of things, you need to seek medical attention for. >> one of the things i learned, you said this can happen not just right after baby, but up to a year later, or within that first year? >> yeah, and that came as news to me when i was reading about it when i had my own friends and when i was going through it myself. you can experience it anytime within the first year. and i think that's something people fail to understand. you think you should have the hang of it by now. you're in the groove and then suddenly you're starting to experience feelings of anxiety or depression, it still can be related. one thing that's important, people say what causes it? in some cases, it's not necessarily a new depression. in some cases it can be an exacerbation of an underlying illness. so people at risk people with depression during the pregnancy and prior to and also with a
family history. >> so you have a list of people who are at risk for it, and maybe just keep more of an eye, if you have friends and family in that category. >> i think too, this is where your spouse and friends and family all should be very keen on looking for those things if you think, or if they think you might be at risk. we all know it's a very difficult time. most of us, hopefully can ride it out, but for those people who start to experience significant symptoms, number one, speak to your health care provider, do you need to be medicated? that's an option. most importantly, i'd like to leave people with this. the sleep deprivation exacerbates the symptoms tremendously. enlist the help of your husband, if you can manage to get someone to help with night feeds, that can help tremendously. >> natalie azar, thanks so much. >> thanks, kate. and now here's meg terrell with the cnbc market wrap. >> markets closing lower today,
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>> well, from bathroom breaks to blocks of granite, last night's first democratic presidential debate wasn't just about policy. take a look at some of the lighter moments. >> secretary clinton, welcome back. >> well, thank you. it does take me a little longer. >> the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you, me too, me too! >> i know the time's running out, in speaking of changing positions and it's kind of frustrating because unless somebody mentions my name, i
can't get into the discussion. >> you're wasting time. so if you would finish your answer. >> you're looking at a block of granite. >> the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the iranians, probably the republicans. >> i think we need someone that has the best in ethical standards as our next president. that's how i feel. >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond? >> no. >> no, thanks. now for our own light moment, many potential voters taking a closer look at their picks for president. with some voters considering a candidate they hadn't before, you might say it's like picking something off a menu. maybe it's like picking a sandwich. that's how food and wskand wine magazine sees it. releasing their takes on which sandwich represents each of the candidates in the race. i'm joined by noah kauffman. little bit of fun here. >> little bit.
>> we have sandwiches in front ever us. this is a subway sandwich. and you say that is? >> it's hillary clinton. it's got steak, cucumbers, tomatoes, i think it's got turkey underneath. it has pretty much -- >> a little bit of everything. >> and anything anyone could ever want on it, it will be under that bread and truth be told, everyone is going to eat a subway sandwich at one time or another. >> okay, next up, how do you pronounce this one? >> bonnmy. >> vietnamese sandwich. >> it's a great vietnamese sandwich. it's bernie sanders, a little bit different. most americans might not be quite familiar, might not be excited about it. might be a little spicy for their tastes, but your hipster friends will tell you about it and they will not let you forget it. >> you should check out this
sandwich. >> right, you gotta get there. >> up next, martin o'malley. >> he's a soft shell crab sandwich. >> that fits maryland. >> it's maryland. and truth be told, it's a delicious sandwich, but it's not a sandwich that is very well known all over the country. kind of a localized sandwich and probably no one is going to be ordering that sandwich in, say, your oklahomas or south dakotas. >> let's be nice. don't be mean to martin o'malley, but i take your point. and then up next, block of granite himself. lincoln chafee. >> that's right. he's a wrap. now perhaps he used to be a sandwich. he's shed what was his former bread. he's something a little bit different now, and again, a lot of people don't really consider him a sandwich. you know, they think of him as something else entirely. >> nobody's really a sandwich. we're making -- you know, people get it, right? >> i think everyone gets it. i hope everyone gets it.
>> finally, the egg salad sandwich here, last but not least. >> yes, jim webb, white bread, white eggs, a little bit of mayo, that's all you want on that sandwich. that's all you're going to get on that sandwich, and that is okay, with everyone who loves egg salad sandwiches. >> the egg salad would like a little more time. >> maybe some more condiments. i don't know. >> how did you get this idea to talk about sandwiches? >> one of our great writers named adam came and he pitched it to us one day, and we thought, that is just a fun way for us to be able to handle something that is everywhere, as you guys know, it is everywhere and everyone will talk about it. >> noah, thanks so much for being with us. before we go, i just have to say one thing. it's a great story from last night, it's all about my chicago cubs. >> he got him!
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