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you know trump. >> i know trump. >> you've hung out with trump. >> i've been at the wedding. >> is it true you sent the family a christmas card? >> we do. every family that has a bunch of cards, we had to sit with our pajamas on. mom, why do we got the pajamas. >> because we're getting the christmas card. >> oh, great, everybody's coming down the stairs in their pajamas for what. >> you're talking about your mom. >> we sent them the card. he doesn't send you and i card back. most people get it like december 21st, they get the mail off quick. what he did, he autographed it. this is ego. he autographed our christmas
card. beautiful family. donald trump. and then he fedexed it back to us. that is so trump. >> did he just say that he was in pajamas with donald trump on christmas morning? >> no, but that's conflated but you got it all. >> the picture, card. >> i hope he saved the card. >> it could be a keepsake. >> he had a great campaign. >> for a once presidential candidate who finally had to throw in the towel. >> he had a chance. i kind of feel sorry for him. the polls that came out yesterday -- >> i guess it's over. >> media was right all along. >> yeah. >> i feel like a fool. >> we'll have that. coming up. >> he was a flash in the pan. >> they said it was the summer of trump but it kind of went into the fall. >> mid-october maybe? these polls yesterday deb sta devastating for the guy. >> we're going to show you polls.
these polls that were out yesterday, he has to be ashamed. >> i'm thinking when he hears this, he'll call in. >> he's used to being number one. when he drops from number one, ha its a jarring thing for somebody like trump. >> this isn't a drop. this is a plummet. this is a pulp met. >> it is off the cliff. >> so that's coming back. we're going to talk about that. >> it is thursday, october 15th. welcome to "morning joe." we've got mark halperin, former governor of vermont, former chairman of the democratic national committee howard dean. >> all right. >> let's go to i can braing news first. >> president obama today is going to announce his plan. >> i was talking about mark halperin on empire." >> he was on empire" last night. had a cameo. >> fox television show empire" lucius gets out of prison, returns to his office and there's a board meeting. >> that wasn't exactly the breaking news we were -- it
didn't match-up with the breaking news across the bottom. we've got to go to breaking news. >> i was called gangsta' on twit were you really. >> breaking news out of the white house. >> president obama will announce his plan to keep a force of 5500 american troops stationed in afghanistan beyond 2016. right now, there are just shy of 10,000 troops there and the original plan was to have that number down to about 1,000. the mission remains the same, focusing on counter-terrorism tied to al qaeda and training afghan forces. the country has seen renewed waves of violence and instability in cities like kunduz. but senior officials deny recent violence there is changed the calculus. the new plan is stipulated to cost $14.6 billion. let's bringing in nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker live at the white house with more on what we know about this plan. kristin in. >> mika, good morning. well, president obama expected to make that announcement a
little bit later on today. this is, of course, a significant shift in policy for president obama. he had said he was going to draw down will all of the troops from afghanistan by the end of 2016 and now as you just said, it was announced last night that he will be leaving a presence there of about 5500 troops. initially it was only going to be agembassy presence. about a thousand troops there really focused on the security capacity. now they're going to be bases in bagram, jalalabad and also canada ha, a significant increase in the u.s. presence there coming against the backdrop of the surge of the taliban in afghanistan as well as kunduz, the first afghanistan gan city to be overrun by the taliban since 2001. i was on a background call with six other reporters last night. if this recent uptick in violence prompted the president to come to this decision, they said no. instead, this is the product of
a month's long review. >> president obama has been consulting not only with the president of afghanistan but also his commanders on the ground and here at the pentagon. >> kristen welker, thank you. >> willie geist, the irony is so thick. george w. bush tells jim hair in 2000 that he's going to have a humble restrained foreign policy. the events of 2001 lead him, many people say to overreach and become one of the most aggressive foreign policy presidents of our time. barack obama bring them home. he did it in iraq, a void was created there. a lot of us were saying bring them home, too. america was saying bring them home. but things keep getting more complex not only for this president but whoever follows him in office. >> president obama wanted both wars over by the time he left office. ash carter said it the other day, new realities have forced his hand in iraq, it was the
fall of mosul, the rise of isis. the president knew he had to get back in. now the fall of kunduz and the fact that the taliban and other extremist groups have spread across afghanistan in a way more than they have since 2001 forced had his hand. this was a recommendation that general dempsey made a couple months ago. he told the president he thought they should leave between 3,000 and 5,000 troops on the ground. clearly the president watched what happened over the last couple weeks and realized there's no pulling up stakes right now. >> an anti-war president in 2004 but i know neither you nor anybody else believes this president or any president unfortunately, the next president, is going to be able to have a black and white foreign policy. the inbox on whoever takes over for barack obama is going to be more complicated than the inbox that barack obama inherited. the whether people blame barack
obama for that or not, the world seems to getting more complex on the foreign is taken by the minute. >> i wouldn't say this inbox is going to be worse than the inbox he got. >> with syria, refugees. i'm not knock president obama. >> the number of troops in iraq was huge. look, the problem with this is you have a choice. i either leave troops in afghanistan or let it go to the taliban. it's not just america because we don't have a huge interest there. there are a huge number of women in afghanistan getting educated and participating fully in the life of that country for the first time ever and we have to let that go if we want to pull troops out. this is going to be tough. the next president is going to have to make very difficult decisions. >> let's go to israel now where a wave of violent attacks are pushing tengs between israelis and palestinians to the breaking point even as israeli authorities began implement can
security measures yesterday, a pair of attacks in jerusalem left two men dead and one injured. they played out before the eyes of our news team near the entrance to jerusalem's old city. in a moment we'll speak live with the mayor of jerusalem. first, correspondent eamon mull dean live from jerusalem. >> good morning, mika. you're absolutely right. situation here remains tense. it is a muslim holiday. the traffic in and out of the old city a little bit lighter than what we've been seeing over the past few hours, particularly yesterday this time when this incident happened not toot far by the way from where we are standing. it happened in an instant. in front of our camera. a man with a knife runs past the security checkpoint and is shot dead by israeli police. the knife clearly visible in his hand. >> he pulled out a knife and police officers managed to neutralize the terrorist. >> he was identified as
19-year-old basel sitter, a palestinian from the west bank. just hours later at jerusalem's central bus terminal another palestinian man stabs and injures a 72-year-old israeli woman. he too is shot dead by police. israel is on high alert. hundreds of additional security forces call up. police checkpoints increased. palestinian neighborhoods sealed off restricting movement. israel is warning that bodies of attackers will not be returned to families and their homes will be demolished. but palestinians are also mourning, 30 dead in recent weeks. some of them attackers but many of the killed were protesters. the funeral of one in bethlehem was followed by more clashes with israeli police. palestinians claim a double standard that israel cracks down on palestinian attackers but goes easy on israeli extremists. their anger fueled by social
media and viral videos like this one allegedly showed an injured 13-year-old palestinian left to bleed. israel released its own video. we talk about the word double standard here as the palestinians were say manage that report i just filed. last night, the israeli authorities inimportanted the families of some of those attackers that their homes will be demolished. you were using the expression the cycle of violence. speekt these homes to be demolished. authorities have given these families two days to appeal the decision. it's not likely going to be accepted. once again, you can see the frustration on the palestinian side that will then once again fuel the types of attacks we saw yesterday. it is a cycle of violence that shows no end in sight as of now. back to you. >> eamon mull dean, thank you very much.
it's just a cycle of violence. we're going to getting the mayor of jerusalem. do we have him? let's bring in the mayor of jerusalem. what is the security situation in your city this morning given what we have just seen? >> good morning, america. good morning, new york. indeed, the situation is still tense. we're talking about many of the young arabs are incited that are told all kinds of different lies about the intentions of israel to change status quo which is a lie. those incitements cause people to create terror attacks. what we are doing is fighting -- we need the help of the world to condemn terrorism and the lies that are told about us. also, secure residences and take the measures necessary to neutralize terrorists and to punish them by law. >> mark halperin is here and has a question for you. >> mr. mayor, how important is
it for you to create economic opportunity for the palestinians living in jerusalem and would that be part of a longer term solution? >> you're right on. that's exactly what we do. and that's where we were just before this round of violence. jerusalem and we develop our economy. the tourism, the culture. i the hi-tech sector all residents enjoy. we see very nice sustainable growth in the satisfaction of the residents of our city. they understand and feel part of the economic growth ot city is going through which is very positive. that helps a lot. you're 100% right. i'm committed to do that for au residents and right now, when we have a round of violence, we'll fight the people committing terror attacks which is not all of our residents. the majority of the residents don't like what's happening here. we'll fight that and build our economy. >> i'm sorry. you were talking about the bad guys. howard dean had a question. >> yeah. >> about the bad guys.
go ahead. >> i mean, this is obviously a cycle going on. my own view is that blowing up the houses of the terrorist families is probably not going to help any. my question is, what context are you having with the palestinians? where is president an bab os on this? this needs to be dealt with and there needs to be a settlement here. >> yeah, you have to understand that even demolitions of terrorists are all done by israeli law under the courts. only if the family is part of the terror. and in those cases, specific cases the israeli government asks for that, i feel very comfortable people will be punished by law. specifically, i have very strong connection with local leadership in our different neighborhoods. last night, i had a dozen and i speak 0 them regularly. they're deeply concerned about the incitement and they want
quiet back to their old neighborhoods. they suffer from it similar to everyone else. i just spoke last week to the school principals that want to get these kids back on track and stop those incitements. we're working very closely with the local leadership that of much more alert and interested to speak to us to calm the situation than the palestinian authority unfortunately. >> mayor nir barkat thank you very much. the ambassador of the united states will join us in our next hour. >> let's go from international to be the big news. polls that came out yesterday. >> mark, does trump say he's getting out today. >> americaing to trump, drop dead. >> turning to politics now, new poll numbers show donald trump's potential to dominate in the early voting states. >> but it's not really big. he's under 50. >> that's a danger zone for any
candidate. >> doubling his nearest competitor ben carson. marco rubio at 9%, carly fiorina in fourth place at 7%, jeb bush fifth and lindsey graham tied with ted cruz at just 5%. let's look at -- >> he doesn't triple marco, he quad ru resumes. >> nevada, we're going to see cracksing there. >> trump has a 16-point lead in nevada to carson's 22%. carly fiorina at%, followed by rubio and bush. trump is dominant among these early state republicans on ot issues. in south carolina, a majority says he is best 0 handle the economy. >> he's losing on social issues. >> while he is ranked the highest on handling isis and social issues in nevada, more than two-thirds say he'll do best on the economy. 55%. >> let's stop for one second
here. seriously? it's all over, right? but look at the economy. howard dean, if you're leading 67-7 at this stage on the economy when you were running in 2004 and as we've said, if jeb bush had these numbers, it would be all over. >> it would be over. >> these numbers are as -- are they not as dominant as -- every day, people come on the set and say it's over. ooze plateaued. we've heard it for three or four months. these numbers what politician couldn't wouldn't kill for these numbers. >> it's stunning. he's actually beginning to believe it himself. there was a quote from him i think last night saying i'm going to be more pc, politically correct from now on. that means he thinks he can win the nomination. he knows he can't continue the way he is and win the general. he has to straighten up just to keep the numbers in the
republican primary. this guy is now the most serious contender there is for the nomination in the republican party. >> yesterday we've been talking about the numbers, yesterday when these numbers came across, mark halperin e-mailed them to me. of course, we had mockinger. >>ing comments. it's the first time i said the money has to be on donald. donald said he was going to win when he was at 2%. but you look at these numbers in these early states. i've never a candidate. >> what's the precedent. >> -- this dominant in early states for three months now. >> yeah. >> mark, for people that aren't following politics closely, south carolina and nevada, they're the next two big ones right after iowa, new hampshire. trump ahead in iowa and new hampshire. trump dominating in south carolina. crushing the field and crushing the field in nevada almost at 40%. we had somebody on last week, i
forget who said yeah, but he's in the 20s. can't get bob the 20s. it's plateaued. it's all over. charlie cook said it's plateaued, it's over. i mean, and i use the term trump deniers. this is denying math. >> the dynamic that most pundits have talked p about, what will he say to bring himself down. the question now is, of the seven or eight other people who could be the nominee at this point, who can be overtake trump and develop a message? who can build a coalition? who can show they can beat hillary clinton? who is that person because trump ruch i don't think is going to fall on his own. someone has to overtake him. right now to overtake him, you have to go over ben carson, as well. maybe carson will be the one to overtake him. >> i always look at dynamics of the race. if there's a certain momentum, what dynamic is introduced that changes the momentum. right now i don't see that in
marco, in ted cruz, i don't see it in anybody right now. >> that's the working theory people have brought to the set many times. the carson, trump. so-called bubble is going to burst and there will be rubio and bush waiting to rice roos to the top. >> you have to have something to rice with. there's no evidence that the bubble is bursting. you have to look at these numbers. there was another one that wasn't on will in the state of south carolina where two-thirds of the voters in republican primaries are white revan gel cals, donald trump the materialistic donald trump as some people call him. >> you say he has no reason to be forgiven. >> is leading defeating by ben carson whose support is made up of evangelicals. >> there hasn't been a republican candidate in recent history that's led with moderates, that's led with economic conservatives, that's led with evangelical conservatives. he leads in all group. >> one last hurdle he has to pass. and we don't know what's going
to happen. if it turns out hillary clinton looks like she's going to get the not o nomination and consistently beats him by five or eight points, that is about the last barrier that i can think of he has to overcome. if they see him losing to hillary clinton, that could change the dynamics. >> it's hard to over -- there already those polls but when the guy is leading on the economy with almost 70% of republicans saying he would be the best, it's hard to get that head to head. >> if he were running against joe biden or somebody else with higher favorables in the general election, that would be one thing. there are a lot of polls show hillary clintons has the same unfavorables and unfavorables in some polls as donald trump. actually, hillary clinton is donald trump's dream candidate in the general election for the same reason jeb bush is his dream candidate in the primary. he is the one that has eviscerated the republican
front-runner by running against washington and bush and then in the general clinton. that is a washington establishment. >> this has happened to me actually. if you don't think your candidate can win the presidency, you're going to shop around no matter how great you think that candidate is. these voters, they're a little more extreme than the general voters on both sides. they want to win. they want to win. >> the most likely way to stop trump now is to beat him in iowa. cruz could beat him in iowa. carson could beat him in iowa. one of the establishment candidates maybe. if you don't stop him in iowa, it's going to be hard to stop him. >> it's the situation that barack obama had in 2008. they believed if they won iowa, they were going to win the nomination. i think we have the same thing here. if you don't stop trump in iowa, get out of the way because new hampshire is going to go his way and then as he turns south and
we've seen the nevada numbers and south carolina numbers and sec primary numbers he just rips through the south and it's over. >> he did an interview yesterday. we'll show you after the break. coming up on "morning joe," hillary clinton is just a week away from peeking before the benghazi committee. yet another republican just did her a giant favor. your party's fantastic. plus, why donald trump on why the secret service should be giving him protection. hmm. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line.
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>> fbi raid this morning was unsettling for us all. i see no end in sight. >> i came down here today to show my full support for lucius lyon. >> is that it? >> wow. >> what do you mean is that it? is that what they said about clark gable when he said frankly, my dear, i don't give a damn. >> he was there. >> there he is. look at that. >> yes. >> wow. you're in character. >> you're really pensive.
>> howard dean called me gangsta'. mark, what you wear to the emmys? >> haven't decided yet. probably valentino. >> have you written your speech? >> in my head i've written it. >> that's hugen. >> i think mark halperin i think empire. >> there was a fair amount of incredit utility last night. it's one of the top rated shows on television. people tweet about it obsessively. i was honored to appear and more honored to be part of the twitter chatter. >> in an interview with the hill, donald trump said the secret service should be giving him protection noting president obama had agents at this time in the 2008 cycle. "i want to put them on notice because they should have a liability personally, i think if obama were doing as well as me he would have had secret service earlier. i have by far the biggest crowds. trump jokingly added they're in no rush because i'm a republican
and they don't give a -- trump later clarified ", of course, i don't think they'd want anything to happen." a spokeswoman for the department of homeland security said it had not received an official request for protection which is determined after consulting an advisory committee including house and senate leaders from both parties. president obama received secret service protection in the earliest of any presidential candidate followed by ted kennedy whose twos brothers were an snatsed, hen herman kaine and jesse jackson. hillary clinton received her her secret service in november of 2007 though she was under protection from having served as first lady. sources tell us that huma abedin is set to appear before the select committee on benghazi on friday. the interview comes just days before hillary clinton's public hearing and clinton got another arrow in her quiver yesterday as another republican congressman explained what he thinks is going on with the committee set
up to probe the deaths of four americans. >> sometimes the biggest sin you can committee in d.c. is to tell the truth. and i -- this may not be politically correct but i think that there is a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people. an individual, hillary clinton. after what kevin mccarthy said, it's difficult to accept at least a part of it was not. i think that's the way washington works. but you'd like to expect more from a committee that spent millions of dollars and tons of time. >> mark halperin, the problems keep getting worst for trey gowdy's committee when you have people in the republican caucus now saying this in interviews. it's -- the burden of proof rises pore that committee because of self-inflicted wounds by republicans. >> the performance will matter
though. he can erase the damage to some extent if they do two things if they have actual legitimate public policy questions on benghazi and e-mails they address and they educate the public on and if they stage manage it correctly. the press now is primed to see hillary clinton cream this committee as she's done every time she's gone to capitol hill to testify on anything. that's what the press is looking for to see her win and keep her momentum going. if trey gowdy and the other people have good legitimate questions to ask and stage manage the news cycle, he can stage a political comeback with this thing. based on the way they're handling the mccarthy thing, i don't think they get how major league this is. >> howard, i'm so skeptical. i don't know how the republicans get out of this thing. if you're talking about winning headlines, i don't see how they will after all of this has happened. >> it's going to look bad. they're not going to be able to help themselves from grandstanding because that's what everybody does on the
committees. now the whole context has changed. let me talk about trump and the secret service. there's a rubric for this. obama got it early not because he was in the lead, because he was getting death threats all time. that's how they judge this. if trump wanted it, he could have it. but the size of your crowd is nothing. it's who's calling who, what kind of threats you're getting. that terms it. then everybody, the front runners get this automatically very early in the new year. but nobody gets it unless there's a good reason. >> did you get it when you were way ahead? >> at the very, very end, right before iowa, we started negotiating. we had a guy who was in the secret service but wasn't then who was going to be the liaison. iowa didn't work out so well. >> you got all the way to iowa without protection. and that's the norm. >> yes, that's how it works unless there's a high threat level. >> coming up donald trump is now training his sights on senator bernie sanders. that, plus the must read opinion
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well is being politically correct takes a lot of time. it takes a lot of effort. i can be more politically correct than anybody that you've interviewed but it takes a lot of time to do it. you're going around in different circles and you are never getting there. we don't have time for it anymore. >> okay. howard, what do you make of it? he's learning. this is what you're saying. >> i mean, this guy is now the legitimate front-runner and nobody can dispute this anymore. it's not just a matter of polls. he now has to turn his attention not entirelily to a general election at some point. this is what you have to do. this was a huge middle that we're not measuring in all these polls. in the democratic voters or the republican voters in the primary. that's where the race is going to be run. he has to start thinking about that. >> this is something you referenced about donald trump early on. learning as he went when he was in mobile, alabama and some of
these other places. you're talking about learning as he went. what rudy giuliani. >> it may be the wrong word. adjusting, evolving. > if he were any other candidate would we be giving him props for learning on the trail and improving? >> he's not any other candidate by every measurable. >> kasie hunt is with us. >> how you doing? >> by any measure, he's not another candidate. rudy giuliani was on the other day. we asked him, what did you learn about working with trump when he were mayor. he said what a fast learner he was. he said he's brilliant that way. he can adapt to any situation. and howard, you know better than anybody else. the first time you get on that presidential stage, it's like nothing else. nothing prepares for that. >> right. although he -- i came from a state of 600,000 people. i would actually argue that i had a bigger hill to climb than he who is in the business of the new york real estate business which is pretty tough. it's true. when you're out there and start
saying stuff and it goes all over the country and all over the world in five seconds, you learn in a hurry some things you can't get away with. >> he's definitely moderated himself. now, that's all relative. let's be clear from where he was. even yesterday when we had him on sort of analyzing the debate we asked about hillary clinton. he said like her or not she did her job. he said it was boring and everything else. i think he's taking his own candidacy more seriously than he ever has. >> yesterday trump went on the offense against bernie sanders of all people beginning right here on "morning joe." >> all of the people including bernie should have been hitting hillary hard because they treated her with such great respect. when bernie gave up that e-mail thing, he did a big mistake. it was a great sound bite. i think it's a big mistake. you do have an fbi investigation
going on in all fairness. >> bernie had a moment last night when he defended hillary clinton. he came off as magnanimous. could you see yourself being that way to one of your competitors. >> yes, i can. bernie made a mistake. he got a great couple of seconds but he took a very serious situation where hillary is being investigated by the fbi and he gave it away. he can never bring it up again. he's losing actually big if you look countrywide. so i think he made a mistake. >> i watched hillary last night with we're going to give this, the poor woman. she's got to give everything away because this maniac that was standing on her right is giving everything away. so she's following. that's what's happening. this socialist/communist, okay? nobody wants to say it.
no. >> yeah, so. >> that's not all. i got more. >> more moderate. >> i've got more. >> we all have to eat a little crow. >> i'd like to withdraw my previous comment. >> trump's campaign also took to instagram to hit sanders using video of the senator losing his microphone to black lives matter activists in august. >> the world is a dangerous place. we need a tough, strong leader. and it's not this guy. >> what is that music? >> that was circus music. >> it's a carnival. >> yeah. >> okay. so there you go. >> he's trained his sights on bernie for now. >> last night bernie sanders gave his response to nbc news. >> there's nothing to respond to. i think you have a guy who knows very little about the major
issues facing working people whose main claim to fame i think is racist attacks against people who come from mexico. who is prepared to give huge tax breaks to the wealthiest people in this country. so if donald trump is the candidate, republican candidate for president of the united states, i very, very much look forward to running against him. >> so let's talk about how smart donald trump is. all right. >> there's a reason he attacked bernie sanders after bernie sanders did so poorly. some of the media was saying in the debate. because he wants to build him up. he knew when he attacked bernie sanders that bernie sanders would get a chance to respond, raise money of off of it. it's howard dean, the political circle of life. it helps trump and it helps bernie sanders. if you're bernie, you want trump to attack you. >> yeah, i don't know. i mean, you can speculate about all this stuff. we don't really know.
what we doe know from watching an that is that trump is definitely going to have trouble getting himself to be politically correct. >> it's not happening. > all right. casey, some fascinating things going on on the republican side. >> yeah. >> you really are now starting to see and mark halperin was talking about. you're reporting it now. that the republican establishment understands this is a death match. it's a zero sum game either one person gets out of the wrestling ring alive and it's bush, rubio or kasich. >> that's right. you were talking earlier about the establishment fight and then idea if donald trump is going to be taken down, it's going to have to be there. i this i you're seeing what has so far been a little bit underplayed but a pretty significant establishment battle in iowa. when we talk about jeb bush, he's got a team around him that
has a lot of experience in iowa. it's something he's been focusing on. he's got ten staffers there. they're eyeing christie and kasich potentially going in there in the wake of walker's exit. >> it's important to remember that jeb helped push mitt out of the race in part because he got david on his side. mr. iowa. >> mr. iowa who we send good wishes to and prayers as he's battling leukemia now. and actually was before that, i will say though another key thing i think is that the bush team does recognize how much trouble he's in. they sent his top campaign staffers to a tour of early states, his campaign manager, senior advisor to kind of calm down what's been a pretty nervous set of people for him. they're spinning it as we're going to put resources in these early states. they're out there having conversations how is jeb bush doing? has he improved. he's not the candidate they expected. does he have more energy.
donald trump accuses him of having low energy. this is a key make or break phase for them and they know it. >> howard dean, if you could again quickly before we go to break, explain how quickly it all can change. >> no, it can. it can. >> because not we but the press was mocking john kerry two weeks before iowa. i remember watching him setting up at the prompters before an iowa caucus meeting. it was like are you kidding me? he was stiff, awkward, horrible on the campaign trail. at that point, but the last two weeks, he surged. >> last three weeks, that's right. we didn't have the operation we thought. i was not able to rein myself back to the center which i was trying to do but not very successfully. michael hooley came in, probably the best organizer notice country and kerry pulled himself together and did what he had to do. >> it can happen just like that. >> the problem with this, this is mot a close race.
the numbers we saw this morning which were so stunning that i think it's all about -- this is a battle to see who is going to be the one who is going to, quote unquote, save the republican party from the point of view of the insiders in washington. >> it may not be jeb or rubio or kasich. it may ed up being carly. >> right. >> the establishment may get shutout. who knows? >> she has no organization i don't think. >> i was just going to say, there's also an effort among some of the other candidates and operatives to put together a super pac that might be able to take trump on as the polls come out. that effort could escalate. >> that's what happened to me. >> up next, iran fires off a missile. sends troops to syria, and convicts a u.s. journalist of spying. not much to commend from america's newest partner in the nuclear negotiations. richard haass joins us with his take next on "morning joe." at ally bank no branches equals great rates.
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now just avoiding each other and that's the good news out of this i guess? >> up to a point it's good news. what i think it suggests is we're not moving towards a unified syria. we're moving towards a syria what you might call enclaves. russian is shoring up the central government enclave that controls around 20% of the country. i'm hoping we start moving towards doing a lot more to help the kurds and some select sunni arab tribes. isis will have their bit. some other groups will have their bit. for the foreseeable future that, looks like the future of what we used to call syria. >> risks and challenges but possible benefits of working with russia in some way? >> well, russia first of all has to focus its attacks on isis. they haven't been doing that so far. we may have to think about one way or mother getting some air defense weaponry to groups we want to help just to make sure they're not vulnerable. i think the real question with mr. putin is whether he makes
something of a pivot. once he decided he shored up bashar al assad for the short term, is he willing to engage in diplomacy that would essentially get him out over the longer term but in the process making sure that the government enclave stays stable. we should talk to him about that. i don't think we know. but it's possible he might be interested if his goal is not simply to see the government from collapsing but also to demonstrate he and russia are major players that can't be ignored. it's conceivable down the road we could have a partner. >> richard, let me hop around a little bit. we've got a lot of topics to cover you. want to get your take on the news that president obama plans to leave a force of 5500 american troops in afghanistan. a reversal of his policy before. he said he wanted to get everybody out of iraq and afghanistan by the end of his presidency. what's your reaction to that news. >> i think it's the right decision, willie. i would have preferred a few
more troops. it was impossible for him to make good on his goal of getting all troops out by the end of 2016. afghanistan is beginning to unravel a bit. you saw the problems with kunduz and also pulling u.s. troops out there would risk having the same effect it had in iraq. it didn't only have a security effect in iraq when all our troops left but a political and psychological effect. it weakened the government and weakened any tendency of various factions to get along. i think the president had to worry that he would be handing off a greater middle east. it already includes four failed states in some ways, iraq, syria, libya and yemen. he didn't want to hand off to a world another failed state. >> how effective, modern, leelth is the russian military? >> that's a good question. it's better than we thought. a lot of americans are thinking about russia say in afghanistan. where they lost to the mujahadin.
what we've seen is the country get re-establish its footing. it's made this a priority. russian economy may be shrinking. the russian defense budget is not shrinking. you had years of buildup. you also remember they had experience in places like georgia. so what we're seeing is a much more capable combined arms russia that's demonstrating what it can do and demonstrating the benefit of what, two decades of military investment. >> richard haass, stay with us. we greatly appreciate it. coming up next -- >> there already 80 million of them 19 to 34 years old swarming the usa and leaving nothing but selfie sticks and gluten free pizza crusts in their wake. >> that was the comedian louis black's take on millenials. we'll see what "time" magazine has to say about them in this with's cover story. we'll reveal the new issue just ahead on "morning joe."
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take a look. i think it's sweet. can we zoom out for a second. hillary tied him in the chair. it's las vegas. it's las vegas. you can't let him roam around. >> welcome back to "morning joe." back with us on set, managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin, also star of empire. in chicago, richard haass. so we're going to start this hour where politics. >> willie has a question before we break into these polls. >> is it a personal question. >> to halperin. >> mark and i were just talking about given the polls, given how long donald trump has been at the top of the polls do you see a lot of people dismissive of his campaign now maybe not accepting but considering the possibility that he could be the nominee? >> they do in part because again, you've got four establishment candidates left who people think can do it, bush, rubio, maybe kasich, maybe
christie. none are catching fire right now. i talked to someone the other day total establishment republican who spent a fair amount of time talking to me how trump could win a general election. this is someone who would never have thought that trump could be the nominee. he said trump's a self-funder. he might pick a provocative running mate. if we have trump as our nominee, how will we do. he was surprisingly engaged on the question. >> well, and the republican establishment still is in shock. but they're not saying this is a summer romance anymore. they don't know what's happening. but the numbers, mika, are so overwhelming especially in the early states, that really matter. and yesterday, the two polls that came out was the first time i said okay, somebody's -- for the first time i said somebody's going to have to show me how this momentum is slowed down.
>> well, i mean, you've talked to a lot of members high up in the republican establishment and you get a sense that they don't know how to let go to their traditional beliefs of who they think should be there. >> what they've done is they've moved on from believing that he will never win. >> uh-huh. >> to now saying is it possible this guy could really win? there's no acceptance yet. >> no acceptance. >> but they do realize that it is a possibility now. and yesterday's polls were really, because we focus so much on iowa and new hampshire. south carolina and nevada are the follow-ups. and just about as critical into look at this, south carolina. >> yesterday was a political tremor if not an earthquake. >> trump at 36%, an 1-point lead doubling his nearest competitor. ben carson. he quadruples the support of marco rubio while fiorina at 7%,
jeb bush at 6%. trump has hey 16-point lead in nevada in the nevada caucus. 38% to carson's 22%. carly fiorina in a distant third at 8% followed by rubio and bush. >> stop there for one second. the numbers get even more dominant. mark halperin, look at those numbers. 38% the establishment all in single digits and all start in fourth place with rubio, bush, and cruz. then huckabee winner of iowa in '0 . >> it's not to predict trump's going to win. think about it, he's got these numbers without, he's gone to the states but not very much. he's not campaigning that hard. two, he's not performing that well as a candidate. he's doing okay. he probably won't like my saying it. he could be delivering stronger message, et cetera. finally, he has spent no money. you know? he spent money to fly himself
around. imagine if he went on television with ads about making america great again in south carolina. what would his poll numbers do then? >> his answer to that would be i'm on tv all the time without the ads. >> he's not on in early states. he's not on the national news as much as he used to be. again, the question is, who stops trump where. >> if he is sitting at 38%, and all the establishment figures are in single digits, and you're exactly right. the criticisms of donald trump are, you know, he doesn't have expansive policy position papers on most things. it's more from the gut. i think we can all say their chances are really good he's going to only become better as a candidate. he's at times been halting. and not as great on the campaign trail as judged by traditional standards. he's at 38%.
as he gets better and as he does those 30-second commercials that show massive crowds and people crushing in all around him, when that starts, then that's when the republican establishment can really get nifrs. >> one of the weak surprising weaknesses in this big republican field, almost no one has a family member as a surrogate who has broken through. >> you know what you told me about this big republican field? you have been saying privately for nine months now, this is the most overrated republican or democratic feed in our lifetime. everybody talked about how great they were. you said from the very beginning they're not just. >> a guy considered one of the top three candidates is now out of the race. scott walker. ivanka did an event in washington yesterday, a television interview. she's expecting a child right around the time of the iowa caucuses. she's going to be out and visible. there is not another family member, spouse, child, parent
who's going to be as effective a surrogate as ivanka. >> au his kids are -- >> all the kids are fantastic. pore people outside of manhattan that haven't met ivanka trump that might want to place a two-dimensional characterization on any trump child that's beautiful and blonde and wealthy, you don't know ivanka trump. she -- she -- i mean everybody from clergy to howard stern say they are absolutely stunned by how grounded, how sweet, how hard working. >> humble she is. she works not only the same building but on the same floor with her father and her brothers. that is willie, sort of the secret of the trump family that people sort of outside the bubble don't know. they're very close. and they're very kind. the kids are hard hard workers.
i remember howard stern is no expert but he was like, i thought they were all jerks. >> take that back. take back what you just said. >> howard stern is an expert had. >> said she was the nicest most grounded person. >> she is. >> you hear from howard stern to clergy, she's going to be a hell of a surrogate when she goes out there. >> incredibly smart. you think of donald trump one way. she is sort of the opposite of that. there's a humility to her. she's a very, very impressive person as are all his kids. measure a guy by his children, his kids across the board are great. >> just wait till you meet melania. trump is dominant among the early state republicans. in south carolina, they say he is best to handle the economy and illegal immigration. ranked the highest on handling isis and social issues. in nevada more than two-thirds say he'll do best on the economy. 55% on illegal immigration and 46% on isis.
>> again, we just freeze mark halperin on the economy, 67% to 7%. you take that in any election at a time of unrest economically in this country. of stagnant wages, the rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, middle class feeling squeezed, a guy has a 67% to 7% lead over the rest of the field. that's just -- that's just dominance like i don't think we've seen. >> you know, policy elites the editorial boards don't like his tax plan. they say it's not specific. what is driving trump and carson is not the specifics. the voters don't care. it's the style of leadership they represent. i know i've said it already. you've got to the overtake trump on things like if you're a republican and want to beat him for the nomination on the economy, a better leader on the economy. cares about people like me. ability to beat hillary clinton. these are things that are going
to be hard for anyone in this field to do in the days remaining. the shopping days remaining subtract thanksgiving, christmas, new year's. how do you overtake trump on those traits between now and then? bush has been on television advertising in new hampshire. so far his numbers haven't moved. let's see what the next polls show. how do you overtake trump? advertising, attacks, what is it in. >> you know, and elites within the republican party on editorial boards can be angry for us reporting these numbers. we're just reporting these numbers and we've just been reporting these numbers. they have to come to terps with the fact again when somebody's at 67 to 7%, we're not projecting our feelings about any candidate. that's just objectively such a dominant position. there's going to have to be a pretty dramatic change to turn things around. >> one thing they're clinging to. people are saying they like trump but they won't vote. what they're underestimating is that trump has an operation to
turn new people in. >> let's turn to the democrats. one day of the first democratic presidential debate, bern a sanders traveled to california for a series of speeches and fund raisers ending at a nightclub in downtown hollywood. >> that's what happens to willie and me when we go out. >> they reportedly served cocktails called feel the burn and one of his supporters comedian seth macfarlane introduced him. >> i want to be brief because i want to make sure jim webb has a chance to talk. while it would be way funnier if trump won, it would be far better for the health of the country if bernie sanders is the next president of the united states. ladies and gentlemen, i give you the next president of the united states bernie sanders. ♪
>> one guy came up to me, think it was here on the west coast and he said bernie, you know what i like about what you're doing is you are treating us as if we were intelligent human beings. if i was standing here tonight and making some vicious attack against hillary clinton or anybody else, be a front page story. but we talk about why the middle class is disappearing and almost all new income and wealth has gone to the top 1%, no the a big story. so what the political revolution is is forcing a debate not about trivia, but about the real issues. >> boy, he is good. >> yeah, and he can dance. feel the burn. sanders also stopped by the set of the ellen show. (is asked to dance. he was caught dancing backstage. and during an interview, he
talked to ellen. that's going to air later today. he addressed his comment in tuesday night's debate about hillary clinton's e-mails. >> you think what you said about hillary and the e-mails you said this may not be political. that's the exact thing that people are sick of is people being political. i think people just need to hear you say what you feel. >> i think that's absolutely right. i think ellen, you know, you hit the nail on the head. i will tell you, i have been in many, many campaigns in my political life. i'm very proud to say, i've never run a negative political ad in my entire life. i've been attacked a lot. >> he's doing amazing. >> he's really good in those formats. i wonder, mark, is he going to prep for the next debate in. >> he should. you know. i think it's not overstating to say how well she did. it does have implications for his chance to win. let's see if it affects the polls in iowa and new hampshire.
everything we just showed from his performance to the energy around him, that is unabated even though he had a bad debate performance. i think they'll get him to prep more for the next one. >> that moment, did you report, was it you who said it was a different plan with that moment about the e-mails? >> i was told despite what they're saying in public now, i was told as you suggested that that was not delivered the way they wanted it to be. >> how was it supposed to be delivered? >> more of a condemnation of her, not a stinging condemnation but a criticism she's created this distraction keeping the country from having a serious debate. not to exonerate her forever. >> don't open twitter. >> the thing about bernie though, willie, is the fact that he knows all the issues. he's been in washington for a very long -- since the early '90s. he's been a mayor, was a mayor in '81. so with bernie's poor
performance, the good news is, that wasn't substance that he was lacking. it was just pure style. >> right. >> and that is the sort of thing you can teach a candidate. or that a candidate can focus on. if you've got to teach them all the policy, then as some republicans have found out in the past, you're in big trouble. but bernie sanders knows how to connect the dots. he just has to do it in 60 second sound bites. that's tough. >> he was caught flat-footed on the guns. hillary was able to go on the left. he didn't have a clear answer. on the socialism versus capitalism when he held up denmark as what we should aspire to. within a democratic primary that moment on the e-mails doesn't hurt him that much. a lot of democrats agree with what he said. let's focus on the issues and stop talking about the e-mails. there are independents and republicans obviously for whom it's an important issue.
i don't think that hurts him. >> i disagree with you that he knows policy well enough. he knows it well enough to be a very informed u.s. senator. i have seen instances where he doesn't note policy at hillary clinton's level osh well enough to be president today. >> are you kidding me. >> he says he's a deficit hawk. i asked him what -- you're a deficit hawk. you want to cut military spending. which program should be cut? he didn't have good answers for the questions. he's a very informed guy. but lease a ditches between a well informed senator and being like hillary clinton someone who understands international, national issues at a level where you don't need to be briefed. >> i do disagree with you. i think there's a difference between having the base of knowledge and knowing how to prepackage it like hillary clinton who sometimes she looks like selena meyers from v.p. she looks like a restaged, very
calculated, very sort of prepackaged political candidate. bernie is just the absolute opposite of that. i think he, like, for instance on guns, he knew that was coming. his staff knew that was coming. all i'm saying is they prep him next time and say you're going to get hammered by guns. what's your answer? i think, again, it has to do with predebate discipline more than policy issues. >> i agree that's a problem, too. i'm telling you if you put that guy with tom friedman for an hour on national security and international relations i don't think he could answer every question the way hillary clinton. those twos things are related. >> breaking news this morning. president obama today will announce his plan to keep a force of 5500 american troops stationed in afghanistan beyond 2016. right now, they're just shy of 10,000 troops there. the original plan was to have ha
mub down to about 1,000. the mission remains the same. focusing on counter-terrorism tied to al qaeda and in training after cuban forces. the new plan is stipulated to cost $14.6 billion. let's bring in nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski with more on what we know about the plan. >> well, as you said, the president is prepared 0 keep more u.s. forces on the ground in afghanistan beyond his original target. but that reflects the new reality on the ground there. that in fact, the taliban and terrorism threat is on the rise once again. now, the president wanted to cut those 9800 american forces down to 1,000 by the end of next year. but the increased threat from not only the taliban, al qaeda, and now even isis. so he's agreed to keep 5500 in country to again not only work with the afghan military to know conduct counter-terrorism
missions but there's one more -- there's one more element to this. and it's called threat in extremis. if afghan forces get into such a dire strait that they need american help like the attack on the city of kunduz three weeks ago, the u.s. military will respond. and the fact is, that the afghan military is not ready for this. and when the president set that goal more than a year ago to get down to 1,000, he somewhat ignored an absolute truism in the u.s. military mind-set, and that is that the enemy always au gets a vote, mika into jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thank you very, very much. >> you bet. >> let's bring richard haass back in, president of the council of foreign relations. richard, has the president learned from his decision in iraq to withdraw all troops? is that what we're actually seeing had here? >> essentially yes. i think this is about the situation in washington and the
situation in afghanistan. here he paid a price, correctly so for what he did in iraq. it pulled the rug out from under the iraqi government a lot of people would say militarily, politically, psychologically. afghanistan you've got two things. one is the reality joe that pakistan continues to provide a sanctuary for the taliban. that hasn't changed. as long as pakistan provides a sanctuary for the taliban, they will be a real threat to the government which shows very little signs of cohesion and as mick pointed out, you've got a growing challenge of isis. it's not often talked about. isis is making inroads throughout the sunni world. that's an added layer or problem. to pull u.s. troops out of afghanistan right now would be a reckless role of the dice. >> richard, 14 years in and despite america's best efforts, there's still taliban, still al qaeda in the mountains, isis is still recruiting in afghanistan. where does this end for the united states? do we go in per pet out now
having troops in afghanistan spending $10 billion to $20 billion a year? >> i think this is something of the future. i can imagine not just in afghanistan but in five, ten, 15 unite countries maybe more, you not have the self-sufficient capable militaries able to deal with threats from groups like sabo coharam in parts of africa or isis or the taliban. the united states is going to be providing military help, training equipment, special forces will be involved, cruise missiles will be launched. we're not going og have large footprint on the ground like we had 100,000 people in afghanistan or iraq but small footprints with various types of direct and indirect support. that's unfortunately the future for so many of the countries we care about our weak states and terrorism can threaten our interests in the region or even ourselves from anywhere. it's almost like the problem we had in afghanistan at the time of 9/11. that problem has multiplied 10
or 20 times in that many countries. >> if you can stay with us one more block. still ahead, more foreign policy. >> the israeli military has been deployed after stabbings and shootings in the latest wave of violence in that country. the israeli ambassador to the united nations joins us next right here on "morning joe."
state solution could conceivably be stolen from everybody. and there's been a massive increase in settlements over the course of the last years. now you have this violence because there's a frustration growing and a frustration among israelis who don't see any movement. the secretary wasn't saying now the settlement activity is the cause for the effect we're seeing. is it a source of frustration for palestinians? you bet it is. and the secretary observed that. but this isn't about as i said affixing blame on either side here for the violence. >> that was secretary of state john kerry and state department
spokesperson john kirby addressing the current spike in violence throughout israel. joining us now mo veil's ambassador to the united nations danny dannon. >> mr. ambassador thank you so much for being with us. are you concerned by what secretary kerry said yesterday? >> i'm concerned about what's happening in israel. a tide of terror was washed the streets of israel. >> does the united states government appreciate the threat that the israeli people are under daily? >> we have a very close relationship with the american administration. attacks are on a daily basis. people are afraid to walk in the streets not only in jerusalem but all over israel. that's why we feel it when we in the middle east have to face terrorism every day. it's different than here. you had your incidents 9/11, the boston marathon. in israel when people board the bus and they look around and who will be the one who will take
out the knife and stab them. >> a way of life. >> a 72-year-old woman stabbed by a terrorist yesterday. and when somebody's wielding a knife and they chase after and stab a 72-year-old grandmother. that would be terrorism. i wonder what our headlines would look like in america if that was happening to us every day. does barack obama, does john kerry, do they appreciate that threat as much as previous democratic and republican presidents and secretary of states. >> i can't give a grade to the american officials. the american people understand that the reason for the terrorist attacks is incitement. incitement against the jewish people. for example the case that happened last monday. a palestinian boy was 13 years owed, took a knife and stabbed an israeli kid who was -- 15 times. you ask why.
what did he learn in public school? he learns incitement. when he went home, he watched the palestinian television. when you watch sesame street in the u.s. or israel, it is the same. when you look at the sesame street version at the palestinian official television, they tell the kids you should go kill jewish people and become jihad holy warriors. when you look at those pictures understand why we have serious issues with the youngsters being used by the palestinians. >> mr. ambassador, these attacks in the last few days are coming from residents inside east jerusalem. about 300,000 palestinians in that city. what do you do? these are not outside attacks? this is coming from within your cities. how do you handle that? >> actually, we have seen attacks coming from jerusalem residents. we have seenen attacks from arab-israelis who live inside israel who are full citizens in israel and seen attacks come from palestinians from the west bank. we need to deal with the incitement. this is the main message we have
to ask the administration. we have to ask the u.n. officials to condemn incitement. not to say both sides should take measures against violence. that's not the equation. you have somebody attacking innocent civilians and you should condemn them. >> how should the united states condemn those in rhetoric isn't going to stop the attacks. are there specific pols that should be in place? >> absolutely. you should go to the schools to, the palestinian official media. i'm not talking about hamas. i'm talking about the mainstream fatah. take for example the last killings. instead of condemning the violence, they say those are the heros. let's have a celebration for the families. give them money because their son went to stab israelis. this is not the wait to promote peace in the region. >> richard haass? >> sure, joe. for the ambassador, you talk
about stopping the incitement. i think there's something more profound. and that's simply the radicalization and alienation of large parts of the sunni muslim world. you've had 30,000 people go into syria. it seems to me israel's challenge is far more than alleged incitement. it's a fact of life the 250,000 or 300,000 palestinians in jerusalem, the 20% of your population that's not jewish is susceptible to be being radicalized by the same currents that we're seeing throughout the middle east. what is conceivably a strategy to deal with that? >> i agree with you we have a global issue in the region. i do believe in coexistence. i come from the israeli participant and i've worked with the members of the knesset who were elected to the parliament. when the general atmosphere is radical, are you right. it affects the arab-israelis, it affects the population, the arab population in israel.
that's why we have to deal with incitement. the western democratic countries have to understand today they're stabbing innocent civilians in the streets of tel aviv and jerusalem. it can come to the streets in europe for sure and also here in the u.s. >> richard, i'm not cross examining you, but i'm trying to get to the bottom of this for our viewers. you talked about the "alleged" incitement that the ambassador has been talking about. i will now ask a leading question. is there not incitement in the palestinian territories against the israeli people, and is there not encouragement in the palestinian territory sometimes by official outlegs to go and kill israeli people? >> well, in some cases there is encouragement. in other cases what's missing is real condemnation. pressure against people not to do it. you don't see the dee legitimatemization you'd like to
see. but again, even if all of that could be fixed my concern is this now goes beyond that. that is quite frightening that even if you could get the textbooks fixed and get the leaders to act more responsibly, this has now reaped a level that's truly worrisome. this is the sort of thing you can't build security walls against. this is a commingled population. >> could this look like the eight '80s, early '90s do you believe? >> yes, i think essentially, whether you call it an intefada or talk about the breakdown of a social fabric. this is more worrisome in which one has to try to shape the trend, if you will, of the society and it's very hard to isolate this society from the larger trends in the region. i would think for israel, you now face almost multiple security fronts. there's been so much focus as you know on the iranian nuclear one. the immediate neighbor syria is unraveling.
the palestinian problem. and now you've got the closest problem of all, the palestinians who eithering are israeli citizens or palestinians living in jerusalem. for israel, this is now a multifront challenge. and the close in fronts they don't have conventional answers for into all right. richard, thank you. ambassador danny danon thank you very much for coming. >> we have the ability to deal with terrorism. we have done it in the past and we'll do it in the future into thank you. coming up, two winner ache all games last night in the baseball playoffs including one of the more wild games we can remember. toronto, what a game. >> one inning they'll be talking about forever. north american baseball. >> highlights are next on "morning joe."
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benches come out. from the celebratory bat flip flow come on. >> nobody got punched. >> yeah, i mean, you would expect them -- i usually hate that sort of grandstanding where you just watch. come on, we're in the playoffs. it's october. you hit a home run in that situation, you can watch it for a minute or two. >> he's reacting. biggest home run in jays history since '93. toronto moves on. the seventh inning 53 minutes with the delays, benches coming out the whole thing. >> willie, was there an earned run? three errors by the rangers. that's just staggering at that moment in the season to have three fielding errors. >> and cohamels the texas pitcher was pitching well. you could see it on his face. guys, help me out here. loaded the bases on errors. none of his fault at all. blue jays are in. let's go to kansas city, johnny
cueto with a gem on the mound against the astros allowed two hits over eight innings. he retired the final 19 batters he faced. so the royals head to the al championship series now for the second straight season. >> i was going to say, team of destiny. but the blue jays have a claim 0 that right now too into yeah, i this i we've got -- that's on the other side. >> i mean, but what they did, coming back the way they did the other night. >> yep. >> whoa. >> toronto's got a really good team. so does kansas city. some think texas governor greg abbott may have cursed the astros chances of winning the series. his office tweeted prematurely monday night congratulating the team on advancing to the alcs when they had a 6-2 lead. he thought they had it locked up. the royals rallied in the final innings forcing the astros to game five and they lost. last night the royals sealed it.
governor abbott faced harsh criticism from fans. he tweeted i don't believe in curses or jinx but just in case they work, congratulations hillary clinton. >> i would be be -- so we were watching you at the united states in my house. the u.s. versus portugal. the world cup. >> yeah. >> and i had a friend there who stood up and in the 91st minute and said i can't believe we beat portugal. never. >> all the blood went out of my face. i stood up and said you have just jinxed us. get out of my house now. and i took the chicken wings out of his mouth. and, of course, renaldo scores. at the last second. don't ever do that. the governor that's bush league, man. >> i know that. >> that's bush league. never. it ain't over until it's over. even then you're not sure if it's over. just duck your head, go into the
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but the sketch you showed is perfect because we have this idea about millennials. they have the reputation of being self-centered narcissists. shallow. but you know, while we were looking the other way, heavy grown up and had kids. >> why should that not frighten us? >> and the idea of these sort of selfie taking people sort of turning the camera on their kids is fascinating us. i mean, and it's actually affecting the way that all of us sort of interact with children. we wanted to find out, what do millennials, what makes them tick. how do they operate. as you can imagine, they have put a lot of pressure on themselves. they live, they're always on. so as parents, they're also always on. that's a big burden because they don't have the kind of dr. spock expert i'm going to call my mother and read this one book.
i'm going to know what to do when my baby is crying. they're on google, facebook. they've got 14 million people telling them what to do. it's an overwhelming thing. at the same time, and this is the up side, the connected life is not always a terrible thing. people who are starting to study the children of millennials are finding they are very savvy and curious about the world. they have so much access through technology to things that when we were growing up, you know, were very remote. they can stay connected with each other which sometimes can be overwhelming and sometimes can be an enriching and rewarding thing. millennials as parents are backing away from when they were kids, had he were very overscheduled. these are the kids who were helicoptered. they're backing away from that a little bit and want things to be more democratic. they're an extremelily tolerant and generouses are generation. some of those values are being
passed on to their kids. >> they're becoming a little selfie less? >> i think so. they're still taking a lot of pictures. >> maybe less of themselves. >> i don't know. i'm not sure i believe it. >> willie. >> so the narrative and we saw it on snl, we hear all the i'm they're self-interested and sbilted and all that. do you think they get a bad wrap? it feels like with any generation there are some self interested and some who are not. we've got a group of millennials who get up at 1:00 in the morning and bust their butts every day. >> it's not as if all gen-xors were slaerks either. they exist in part to be mocked and made fun of but of course, there already exceptions. the truth is millennials have some fantastic values that have been making great changes in the world. it's interesting to see as parents sort of how they grow into those roles and the choices that they make. >> you never know how people are
going to adjust. we always seem to adapt. we were talking about how playboy didn't have pictures anymore. i was thinking how my anymore. i was thinking about how my children and now my two younger kids, unfortunately, are going to grow up in a world where they're going to have pornography at their fingertips. what i found about my older boys and their friends, they were almost repelled by it. there's always -- we always underestimate our current generation's ability to april just to the excesses that are placed in front of them. >> i think that's right. they are forced to make and parents are forced to make decisions that earlier generations didn't have to make,
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joe." it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 on the west coast. back with us, mark halpern, former governor of vermont and chairman of the dnc, howard dean. president obama announced he'd keep a force of 5,500 american troops stationed in afghanistan beyond 2015. right now there are just shy of 10,000 troops and the original plan was to bring that down to 1,000. the country has seen renewed waves of violence and instability in cities like kunduz. the new plan is estimated to cost $14.6 billion. let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker live at the white house with more on what we know about
this plan. kristen. >> reporter: mika, good morning. this is of course a significant shift in policy for president obama. he had said he was going to draw down almost all of the troops from afghanistan by the end of 2016. now as you just said, it was announced last night he will be leaving a presence there of about 5,500 troops. initially it was only going to be an embassy presence, about a thousand troops in a security capacity. now they'll be in jalalabad. kunduz is the first major afghan city to be overrun by the taliban since 2001. i was on a background call with about six other reporters last night, if this recent uptick in
violence is what had prompted the president to make this decision. they said no, president obama has been consulting not on with the president of afghanistan but also with his commanders on the ground and here at the pentagon. >> thank you so much, kristen. willie geist, the irony is so thick, george w. bush says he will have a humble, restrained foreign policy and he becomes one of the most aggressive foreign policy presidents. barack obama, bring them home. a lot of us were saying bring them home. america was saying bring them home, too. but things just keep getting more complex, not on for this president but for whoever follows him in office. >> president obama wanted that to be a hall mark of his
presidency, that they were brought home. new realities have forced his hands. now isis, the fall of kunduz and the fact that the taliban and other extremist groups have spread across afghanistan in a way more than they had in 2001 forces his hand. this was a recommendation that general dempsey made a couple months ago. he told the president he thought they should leave between 3,000 and 5,000 troops on the ground. clearly the president saw what happened the last couple of weeks and realized there's no pulling up stakes. >> neither you nor anybody else believes this president or any president unfortunately, the next president, is going to be able to have a black-and-white foreign policy. the inbox on whoever takes over for barack obama is going to actually be more complicated than the inbox than barack obama
inherited. whether people are going to blame barack obama for that or not, let them have that debate but the world seems to be getting more complex in a minute. >> it is getting more complicated, though i wouldn't say the inbox will be -- >> oh, my god, you wouldn't say that with syria, refugees. >> no, the number of troops in iraq was huge. the problem with this is you have a choice. you either leave some troops in afghanistan and you let it go to the taliban. it's not just america because we don't have a huge interest there. there are a huge number of women in afghanistan who are getting educated and participating fully in the life of that country for the first time ever and we have to let that go if we pull our troops out. the next president is going to have to make some very difficult decisions. >> let's go to israel where tensions are pushing israelis and palestinians to the breaking
point. a pair of new attacks in jerusalem left two men dead and one injured. one of those deadly encounters played out before the eyes of our nbc news team near the entrance to jerusalem's old city. in a moment we're going to speak live with the mayor of jerusalem. first let's bring in our msnbc correspondent live, ayman mohyeldin. >> reporter: it happened in an instant in front of our camera. a man with a knife runs past a check point and is shot dead by israeli police. the knife clearly visible in his
hand. >> he pulled out a knife and police officers managed to neutralize the terrorist. >> reporter: he was identified as a palestinian from the west bank. hours later, a man stabs a woman. hundreds of police security forces called up, palestinian neighborhoods sealed off restricting movement. israel is warning bodies of attackers will not be returned to families and their homes will be demolished. but palestinians are also mourning, 30 dead in recent weeks. some attackers but many killed were protesters. the funeral of one was followed by more clashes with police. palestinian claims a double standard that israel cracks down on palestinian attackers but
goes easy on israeli extremists. their anger fueled by scenes like this one allegedly showing a 13-year-old palestinian left to bleed. both sides feel under siege. israel by attacks and palestinians by what they consider an occupying power. >> reporter: we talk about the word double standard here as the palestinians were saying. last night the israeli authorities informed the families of some of those attackers their homes were going to be demolished. israeli authorities have given these families two days to appeal that decision. it's not likely to be accepted. their homes will be demolished. can you see the frustration on the palestinian that will once again fuel the types of attacks that happened yesterday. it is a cycle of violence that
shows no end. >> ayman. >> it is a cycle of violence. >> let's bring in the mayor of jerusalem. what is the security system in your city given what we have seen? >> indeed the situation is still tense. we're talking about many of the young arabs that are incited, that are told all kinds of different lies about the intention of israel to change status quo, which is a lie and those incitements cause people to create terror attacks. we are fighting an inside incident and we need the help of the world to fight the lies being told about us and to neutralize terrorists and punish them by law. >> mark halperin is here. >> how important is it for you
to create economic opportunities for the palestinians living in jerusalem and would that be part of a longer term solution? >> you're right on. that's exactly what we do and that's where we were just before this round of violence. jerusalem and we develop our economy, the tourism, the reality, the high-tech sector all residents enjoy and we see very nice, sustainable growth in the satisfaction of arab residents of our city. they understand and feel part of the economic growth that the city is going through, which is very positive and that's something that helps a lot, you're 100% right. i'm committed to do that for all residents. right now when we have a round of violence, we'll fight the bad guys, the people committing terror attacks. the majority of our residents don't like what's going here. >> let's go from international to big news. the polls that came out
yesterday. >> america to trump, drop dead. >> new numbers show trump's continuing to dominate. >> trump triples the support of marco rubio at 9% while carly fiorina is in fourth place at 7%, jeb bush fifth and ted cruz and lindsay graham at 5%. can we go to nevada? >> we're going to see some cracks there. trump has a lead, 38% compared
to carson's 22%. in south carolina, majority say trump is best to handle the economy. but he's losing in social issues. >> pick up the stakes. it's over. >> and more than two-thirds say he'll do best on the economy. >> all right, let's just stop for one second. seriously? we've been having fun, it's all over. but look at the economy. howard dean, if you're leading 67 to 7 at this stage on the economy when you were running in 2004, and as we've said, in f jeb bush had these numbers, it would be all over. are these numbers not as dominant -- every day people come on the set and say it over, he's plateaued, we've heard it for three or four months. what politician wouldn't kill for niece numbers? >> it's really stunning.
one of the things is he's beginning to believe it himself. there was a a quote from him saying i'm going to be more p.c. from now on. that means he thinks he can win the nomination. he knows he can't wayne win the way he is and win the general. he has to straighten himself up enough to keep those kind of numbers in the primary. this guy is now the most serious contender there is for nomination of the republican party. >> yesterday when these numbers came across, mark halperin e-mailed to me and we have mocking, searing comments. it's the first time that i said, okay, because donald said he was going to win when he was at 2%. you look at these numbers in these early states. i've never seen numbers this -- i've never seen a candidate this dominant in early states for three months now. mark, for people that aren't
following politics closely, south carolina and nevada, they're the next two big ones right after iowa and new hampshire. trump ahead in iowa, trump ahead in new hampshire, trump dominating in south carolina, crushing the field and crushing the field in nevada. he's almost at 40%. we had somebody on last week, i forget who, who said, yeah, but he's in the 20s. can't get above the 20s. it's plateaued. oh, it's charlie cook. he said it's plateaued, it's over. i mean, i used the term trum deniers. >> the dynamics most pundits have talked about is how will trumps can himself, what will he say to bring himself down. of the seven or eight nominees, who can overtake trump? who can build a message, build a coalition?
trump i don't think is going to fall on his own. someone has to overtake him and. >> i always look at the dynamics of the race. what dynamic is introduced that changes the momentum? are i don't see it in jeb, marco, ted cruz, i don't see it in anybody right now. >> that's been the working theory people have brought to the set many times is that the carson-trump so-called bubble will burst tlp first of all, you have to be able to. >> there was another one in the state of south carolina where two-thirds of the voters in the republican primaries are white evangelicals. donald trump, the hedonistic, materialistic donald trump -- >> you're saying he has no reason to be forgiven by god.
>> that's right. is leading. >> that's the stunning thing. there hasn't been a republican candidate in recent history that's led with moderates, that's led with economic conservatives, that's led with evangelical conservatives. he leads in all groups. >> there is one last hurdle he has to pass. if it turns out that hillary clinton looks like he's going to get the if a that is about the last barrier i can think of that he has to overcome. if they see him losing to hillary clinton, that could change the dynamics. >> there are those head-to-head polls, but when a guy is leaving on an economy with 70% -- >> and if he were running against joe biden or someone else, that would be one thing. there are a lot of polls that show hillary clinton has the
favorables and same unand jeb bush is his dream candidate in the primary. he has eviscerated the republican front-runner by running against washington and bush and then in the general clinton. that is washington establishment. >> what happens, joe, on both sides -- this happened to me actually -- if you don't think your candidate can win the presidencyor but they want to win. they want to win. the. >> the most likely way to stop him now to beat him in iowa. cruz could beat him in iowa, carson could beat him in iowa.
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if trey groudy and the other people on the committee have good, legitimate questions who ask, ask,y. >> i don't think they get how major league this gender difference is. >> i'm so skeptical. i don't know how the republicans get out of this place. if you're talking about winning headlines, i don't see how after all of this has happened. >> it's going to look bad because they're going to be able there's actually a rubric for this. obama got it early, not because he was in the lead but because he was getting death threats all the time. that's basically how they judge this. the size of your crowd has absolutely nothing. it's who's calling who, what kind of threats you're getting. then everybody -- the front-runners are going to get this automatically very early in
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monumental changes that our state faces. people are going to be looking at what's gone wrong. >> know what we have in connect a lot of states don't have? a lot of smart, innovative, capable people. at the end of the day you're going to be okay if you have that. >> not to sound like the chamber of commerce, you look at business, we're at the rankings we're at the bottom for business climate for quality of life and connecticut's always at the top, whether you're talking about education, if you talk about wallet of rife and longevity, a lot of great things. but this is a bigger problem that we're starting to see from across the country there are the
leg -- in connecticut like a lot of states, there's a lot of infrastructure issues that need to be discussed. how do you shift revenue around so we have road and bridges and transportation. >> let's go to bob costa and talk national politics. the polls yesterday i'm sure while we all expected trump to be in first place, you were probably surprised as mark and i when he's just routing everybody in north carolina that we haven't focused on that huchthey are very active. he was in virginia yesterday. he may be before anyone getting
on the ballot there because he's drawing the huge crowd, getting the signatures. that's happening in iowa as well, new hampshire, south carolina. he's moving on the ground. >> and you're hearing that, too, casey? >> i think so, yes. though i do think there are still some questions to the extent -- i think iowa is an example where he's particularly strong, he has staff on the ground who have run campaigns before and that's going to be assuming he's stolen the race. while ever had been saying there was no way he's going it make it to iowa, it looks. you have energy rng -- after that debate, you kind of wanted
to hear the them from "the empire strikes back." >> it's sort of hard to look at any of the democrats and say this is clearly an anti-establishment figure. bernie anders would like to h e have. >> i never heard p thought i'd hear what we really need to do is be like can kbfrm i think i the con census is little ward we were. >> hmm. i heard that a few times. joe biden lost the debate and now he's never going to jump in because that was so scary. >> i think she was so dominant. >> she was dominant. she had a great night.
>> but joe biden does need to see a path forward. he's not going to leave his children and grandchildren to be swinging at wind mills. >> i think he's confident if he weron the debate stage two nights ago, he would have done really well. i agree, i don't think that deters him. the professional wisdom all along it's been about the personal. if he's over the personal hurdles -- >> and how likely would they play on that? >> and let's talk about a story that kasie was reporting on earlier this morning about basically an intertra mural battle, zero sum game now. you've got bush, rubio three games:00 with roar reporting and
how ugly it may get. >> it's already lig behind the scene. this is a spob our athletes are you're seeing case if bush and rupee will bloody. or bernie sanders or any other democrat the strongest challenge. >> this guy's personal opinion is that marco rubio gives the democratic you know, i think his youth -- they say presidential
elections are always about the future as opposed to the past. he frankly worries me a bit. >> i have ask a final question. your district, my district, my county, fairfield county has the largest income disparity in america. you go from greenwich to bridgeport obviously. you have to represent a very diverse area. socially and economically. so you understand the battle from income disparity. what do you have see up there? what do you take to congress and since you're on the front lines of this, hugh do we battle an economic system where the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer? >> yeah, you're right. i do think my city has the widest brown boy d. in the near term, just to give you one example of a structural
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try to pursue their dreams on and off the field. tony joins me now. it's a great honor for me. as a great falcon fan born and raised a falcon fan for a long time. first of all, the falcons undefeated. it's next to possible having winning seasons back-to-back but 5-0, where did that come from? >> if you asked me before the season, i would have said no way. but quinn, the head coach, julio jones -- >> can you believe julio? incredible. >> he's the best receiver in the league and matt is playing lights out. it's fun to watch. >> i asked you before but i love your answer, do you miss being there on sundays, every sunday going out there? >> no, not at all. i played 17 years. i don't have to go out and get my butt kicked anymore. i'd rather just talk about the game. it's if you be. >> you were part of a series,
they were just going to follow you around and talk about the tough adjustment but they started looking at your story and your brother's story and they said hold on a second, this is something much deeper. talk about the project. >> it's about family. high blower my brother is the one who loved football. i wouldn't be sitting here talking about this game if he didn't make me play when i was growing up. it follows up on our journey and me finally winning a playoff game and chris trying to become a fireman and a paramedic and that family dynamic that comes with it. my step died died the but really, what i want people to get out of it is to see this whole other dynamic, how two brothers support each other,
where my brother would love to have been a football player. >> even through really tough times, this is a really uplifting documentary. but at the same time, i mean, there are problems like any brothers have. >> that's the thing about it. it's so raw. we didn't hold back and that's what my family does. it's exciting. it will make you laugh, it will make you cheer. it will make you cry. it was just fun to be of shortages to run because we were like this, we were thick and thin. it's one of those things that maybe because football got taken away from us, we started focusing on problems that we always kind of ignored. a big part of my fault, some of it was his fault. i think you got to get it wrong before you get it right. now we are talking again and
it's going to be good. >> how tough, though, that he loved did that breed real tension between you guys, too? >> the thing about him, though, he is a really good athlete. he got a division ii scholarship butch he got hit by a car when he was 7 years old, busted up really badly, almost didn't survive it. so that hurt his back up throughout his playing days. still, that's the thing about it, that's the beauty of this is how he supported me knowing he loved the game more and me. he sacrificed the role to let me make it. now i get to cheer him in his dream of becoming a fireman. it was a great thing to be a part of. >> thank you for joining us. play it forward it
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