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as you know this is someone who has wanted to be president for the better part of his life and he knows this is his last chance. that's the other pressure point. >> good to see you. have a great weekend. thank you for watching. "hardball" starts right now. two contenders, maybe three. let's play "hardball." good evening. hillary clinton had a great week. we knew that. challenger bernie sanders did, as well. while the former secretary of state won the debate both candidates gained a point or two in the matchup. yes, the vice president worked hard to keep the window open. could this be the real democratic contest for 2016? it is powerful because bernie sanders is on to something with
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rage against power of billionaires to corrupt our system and the one man decision that awaits us from air force two. as i said there are new polls out today taken since the democratic candidates debated on tuesday. nbc news survey monkey online poll showed a majority of democrats thought hillary clinton did the best job in the debate. 33% said bernie sanders did. however, when asked who they would vote for both clinton and sanders got a small bump. in september 42% said clinton. 29% said sanders. 15% supported vice president joe biden. now both have gained a few points while biden has dropped by five. meanwhile more good news for clinton in a new "boston globe" poll. clinton holds a slim lead over
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sanders. two points for her. the first one to show her above sanders since summer. let me go to our distant friend looking every inch hollywood. i guess you are out there hustling. how do you put it all together? we have had a debate. i believe debates have some impact but you don't know the impact until the lineup later. how does it stand in terms of who you are supporting afterwards? in this case the big loser was joe biden. he wasn't there. he must have been thinking if i had been there i would have done better than i did which is terrible. >> out of sight is out of mind. people paying attention have a choice of the five candidates who were there and biden hasn't an teed up yet. until he does he is not going to get unfortunately a good sense of what the audience for joe biden 3.0 might be. you have to kind of pay to play
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to get in the game. it does ntd surprise me the way the poll numbers turn out. a little more than half democrats thought that hillary clinton did well, performed well and a third of the democrats progressive wing, populist wing looked at bernie sanders and really bolstered the case he has been making. and after watching him for two hours they are just as much with him. each camp kind of likes their candidate a little bit more. w within the margin of error. so that was really i think good news for the democrats overall and it shows a pretty high degree of satisfaction with the two leading candidates which you don't have on the republican side if you lock at the establishment or people we think would have a chance. >> i think it was a bad night for trump. let me go to sabrina.
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one part still bothers me when bernie sanders said get off of this e-mail thing. i thought okay that's grand and nice. if you are out there busting your hump for this guy and you are trying to get him to win the election you take any break wrou can get. you don't just run on ideology. here he was. seth myers said hillary was laughing not because it was a funny thing. it wasn't funny. he was giving her an issue that somebody could have used against her. is he running for president or is he a protest candidate? he just wants to get his message out. why is he running against her? >> he certainly had impact on the primary by pushing hillary clinton to the left on a number of issues. for bernie sanders a lot of his reputation rides on authenticity. he is a straight shooter.
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he's not playing the politics. i think he is looking at democrats and realizing the majority don't see the e-mail issue as controversial. >> why didn't he use that moment to talk about something important. >> let's refocus the conversation. >> he created a moment of him jumping over the net and thanking hillary. it told me he is mabing a point and selling a good message. a lot of democrats like to hear it. it ain't helping him being elected. >> i think -- >> hillary wouldn't have done it. hillary wouldn't have conceded a point to the opponent. she is a fighter. would hillary have done that? if this guy is on the horns of a dilemma let me get you out of that one? i never seen her do that to an opponent? >> i don't know. i think in this particular debate it was clear that neither were going to go into this debate to try to attack the other one personally.
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they both indicated that. >> he didn't just not attack her. are you for hillary? >> are you for hillary? >> i call it like i see it. i am undecided. >> you think that that sent a signal to voters that i'm not really running to win but to make a point? >> i don't think that is how people saw it. that is not how the folks in the focus groups saw it. it is certainly for a democratic primary audience whether clinton voters or sanders voters saw it as refreshing. let's talk about the issues. >> it also was an attack on republicans. it was an attack on republicans. it was bernie sanders saying i'm not going to take advantage of a republican attack on a democrat. and for 40 years he has been in politics he has not run a single negative campaign. he is a guy who really wants to win on the mess mg. i see your point in conventional terms. he's not running that type of
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campaign. if you agree with him on populism and going after the billionaire class and free cl college ftuition. >> thank you for helping me keep up with this new politics. >> it's not hard ball. >> for democrats a lot of this remains drawing a contrast with republicans because there is less substantive disagreements. >> true. less so since hillary moved to bernie. >> let's see if this good will works. i don't think she wants joe biden in the race because i think biden is more of a threat to her moderate wing. ted kaufman sent an e-mail yesterday to various biden supporters around the country and said he couldn't add much about the timing but did characterize what a theoretical
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biden run will look like saying if he runs because of his burning conviction that we need to change the balance of our economy and restore ability of middle class to get ahead and a campaign from the heart. a campaign consistent with his values and the values of the american people. i think it is fair to say knowing him as joe biden as we all do that it won't be a scripted affair. after all, he's joe. at a press conference president obama was asked about vice president biden. here goes the president. >> i'm not going to comment on what joe is doing or not doing. i think you can direct those questions to my very able vice president. the one observation i will make about the democratic debate was that those are all some very fine people. they share a belief in an economy that is working for
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everybody and not just a few. i was very impressed with all of them. i know them personally and they are good people. beyond that i think it is up to the american people to decide. >> you were chuckling. i think because he was clearly taking a shot against hillary. joe biden is not scripted. the fact is he is regular guy in the street corner. he is suggesting that there is something of those values missing in this current battle. what is missing? >> i think biden can use a little more scripting. he does speak from the heart. he has enthusiasm and joy about many issues. from a more progressive sharper stance. it seems to me that ted kaufman's e-mail was rather an obvious e-mail and doesn't give us clues. every day we step forward i
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think a biden campaign is less likely at some point he has to make a decision. they have to start raising money. they are ballot deadlines and from what i hear from talking to people there is no decision until biden makes the decision although everyone wants to have the jet fuelled up and ready to go. >> let's take a look at what is missing. latest nbc poll first of all is that clinton does very well among african-americans. 62-8 against sanders. that's powerful stuff. young voters clinton is 26. standers at 54. is this an opening for biden? >> polls so far show that he polls more from clinton than from sanders. that may change as he enters the race. biden does. that may change if sanders becomes better known nationally
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so he may expect that to change. that's where it is currently. biden is stronger. and say there was an opening. i don't see exactly. the moderate democrats i argue. biden may be pulled over there, too. >> i don't see how he can't be pulled to the left. that is the big question surrounding a potential candidacy is what void is he filling? authenticity isn't enough. he will take from some of her supporters if he were to jump in whether that is a substantial enough shift. >> did you notice they all stuck close to the president? there would have been an opening to be the obama candidate.
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clearly hillary was pro-obama this week. >> obama still polls really high with democratic voters. no big surprise. in a general election i think hillary is planning to be a little more hawkish and have some separation. and maybe say she would do more on guns or issues that now appeal to progressive voters. it's always hard for someone running after a two-term president on how to relate to that person. gore had a tremendously difficult time figuring out how to deal with clinton and his legacy. it is always difficult but no surprise that democrats are generally certified with obama. if you look at the big marc -- macro numbers. >> good luck o there. you look like you are in your realm out there. thank you so much for coming on tonight. as always i'm your big fan.
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thank you. coming up hillary clinton is getting ready to testify before the benghazi committee next thursday. today her top aid and closest confident was there. what are the republicans getting at? what are they after? are they ready to say what they are accusing hillary clinton of? the top democrat in the committee joins us next. donald trump said 9/11 happened on george w. bush's watch and that has re-ignited trump's fight with joe bideneb bush. and reince priebus does he think the party can win. this is "hardball," place for politics. looking for 24/7 digestive support?
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we have new polling for pennsylvania. according to the new poll hillary clinton leads jeb bush by five points. clint 45, bush 40. that is the only matchup winning. against donald trump she is down two 45-43. clinton trailing marco rubio by three. and dr. ben carson holds a four point lead. carson 47, clinton 43. we'll be right back. or, as we say at unitedhealthcare insurance company, go long. of course, how you plan is up to you. take healthcare. make sure you're covered for more than what just medicare pays... consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company... the only medicare supplement plans that carry the aarp name, and the ones that millions of people trust year after year. it's about having the coverage you need... plan well. enjoy life. go long.
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welcome back to "hardball." there has been a flood of activity in congress ahead of next thursday's show down when hillary clinton testifies before the house select committee on benghazi. u.s. congressman richard hannah of new york state joins kevin mccarthy as the third republican on capitol hill to openly
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acknowledge that the strategy of the benghazi investigation is to take down hillary clinton's candidacy. here is congressman hanna the other day. >> sometimes the biggest sin you can commit in d.c. is to tell the truth. you know, this may not be politically correct. i think there is a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people, an individual. hillary clinton. you would like to expect more from a committee that spent millions of dollars and tons of time. >> four americans died in benghazi. for the first time now a republican has blamed a fellow republican for the deaths of 3,000 of americans who were killed on 9/11. >> when you talk about george bush say what you want the world trade center came down during his time. >> hold on. you can't blame george bush for that. >> he was president. don't blame him or don't blame him. he was president.
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the world trade center came d n down. >> i don't know about the reporter. the benghazi committee plowed ahead with its work conducting a closed door hearing. the committee's ranking member spoke to reporters gathered outside the hearing room and denounced the work as an insult to the wishes of the victims' families. >> they basically begged us. they said do not make this a political football. we beg you. some of them with tears in their eyes. i think that mow matter how you look at it when you have the number two person in a republican party who comes forward, the person who makes plans with the speaker and the person who will continue to be -- one step away from becoming the speaker to tell you this is all about a taxpayer funded political effort to derail the campaign of hillary
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clinton, ladies and gentlemen, that is a problem. >> congressman elijah cummings of maryland joins us. can you tell from the questioning do they think they have anything on hillary clinton today? can you tell where they are headed? >> i honestly do not know. i think they brought up the vice chairman of hillary clinton's campaign now. and the interesting thing, chris, is we still have not asked one question of the secretary of defense. we brought sydney blumenthal up. we never talked to head of the joint chiefs of staff. so i'm not shure and never talkd to the head of the cia. >> that's important because it seems to me behind all the lyrics is this music they keep playing which is somehow hillary clinton is responsible for the death of the four americans.
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somehow during those hours when word got to washington they were under attack she didn't do something she was supposed to do. why don't they ask the people that would know the answer to those questions if there was anything there? >> talking to hillary clinton's speech writer and anybody close to her have been paraded up to the hill. and the republicans have announced exactly what time and where their interviews would be. this happened with cheryl mills, mr. blumenthal. mr. sullivan who was the deputy chief of staff. anybody close to hillary clinton this way they have treated them. when i listen to what congressman mccarthy said and then i listened to the republican staffer who turned whistle blower and described himself as a conservative republican and then when i put it together with what
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congressman hanna said all they are doing is affirming things that we on the democratic side have been saying for months that this basically is a derail hillary clinton campaign by any means necessary. >> here today on cnn hillary clinton was asked about what she expects from next week's hearing. >> committees of the congress with very experienced members and staff have all looked into this and basically just rejected the conspiracy theories that are still floating out there in some circles. so i really don't know. i will do my best to answer their questions. but i don't really know what their objective is right now. >> do you have any outstanding questions about the secretary of state's conduct in those tragic hours yourself? are there any questions worth asking if you had a legitimate committee? >> the answer is i have read all
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of the reports, the eight reports that were done previous to us starting the select committee. and i have heard the testimony. i have read the transcripts. i don't have questions. one thing i'm hoping will happen is that after all the dust settles that we will come up with a report that will make sure that we debunk a lot of the rumors that have been out there because i think that is fair to the families, too. what has happened so often is there have been leaks by our republican colleagues but yet and still they do not put out the excullpatory information. i am going to insist on that. >> catch this. your committee chair trey gowdy put out a lengthy statement dismissing. there are seven members of the benghazi committee who are familiar with the work of the
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committee, the motives behind the work and congressman hanna is not one of them. it must have grabbed you five of you are democrats and he basically cut you out of the action and said you don't know what you are up to. he admitted it is a partisan operation of just majority members. >> i got to tell you i was very surprised to hear that statement because we have four very distinguished members of the congress on this committee. they have been working very hard and i'm just surprised he would say that. i don't know that means. >> maybe the motives are shared by those seven and don't share the motives with you. could be. by the way, i have been asked by everybody here to ask you. are you running for the united states senate and are you willing to give up your seniority and position in the house of representatives? >> well, i'm going to wait until this benghazi stuff is over with to make that decision.
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i do not want to do what i think the republicans have done, politicize and use this as a political stepping stone. i'm not going to do that. i'm going to wait and then make my decision. i was glad to see that although i'm not in the race i'm leading double digits. that's a good thing. i feel humbled by the citizens of our state that they feel that way about me. >> everybody is watching, sir. thank you. u.s. congressman elijah cummings of maryland. i'm joined by sam stein. sam, it looks like just a joke what they are going to do next week. they are going to parade hillary clinton and pepper her with questions and have attacks. i wonder if this was a grand jury what would be the indictment? i don't know what they are willing or ready or thinking about accusing her of. can you take a shot at that? what is their charge here? >> i think the congressman cummings was right in that a lot of this is covered ground. there are general broad
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inquiries that they could talk about which i think will be illuminating. for instance going over the initial decision to invade libya and to put our personnel in benghazi. what we are doing in terms of specific recommendations for embassy security. those are very broad technical geopolitical questions that i think would be helpful to go over in this type of hearing but i don't suspect that is what we will get. >> how many soldiers or marines can you have in an embassy that doesn't have a government? >> this is a big part of the debate. the security at the embassy obviously they said it was insufficient. according to the report it never got up to secretary clinton's level but the arb report did fault for not responding to the requests. they say they don't want bulky
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visible overimposing security measures because it hampers their mission. they want to talk to people on the ground. it is a constant balancing act. i think it is a worthy topic of discussion for a committee on benghazi to go through but we haven't really had that conversation yet. >> seems not. thank you so much. we will be right back after this. republican front runner donald trump is holding a rally right now at a school in massachusetts just south of new hampshire state line. let's listen in. >> and then inside the story she said he had a great week with the pulse. maybe it was a bad guy who wrote the headline. i said wait. how are we levelled out? then they talked about nevada where i'm up at 38% and win the hispanics. you believe it?
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and remember i like her a lot. she said great week but the title was not so good. and then so nevada she said great week. so south carolina i'm at 36. and then in connecticut which just came out i'm at 34-14. she puts these in. how did i level out? it's the press. and then a romney person. we all like romney. he should have won. give me a break. i supported him. i supported mccain. i supported these people and this time i said you ever have it like with your wife, with your husband and you are really competent and tired of seeing things done wrong and you say this time i'm going to just do it myself. you understand that? >> that's donald trump boasting about his poll numbers. we will continue to monitor that
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welcome back to "hardball." shoo ecovered senators, congressman and was a personal favorite of presidents. never completely shed her roots. the new book, the first queen of journalism to one of the most popular newspaper columnists. mcgrory was one of the first to leave the society page behind for the news room and pieces in 1954 were overnight sensation. later her columns offered insights on presidential races and smoke filled back rooms coupled with personal advocacy for personal justice and ended up on richard nixon's enemy list and was first woman to win
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pulletser prize for commentary. great book. great, great book. anybody watching on this friday night get near a book store this weekend. three big ingredients of my life, journalism, politics and irish. you have it all here. >> i say you know it will make you love the business even more. what i want to know is give me the fun stuff. 1954. i remember going home and the tv was on. black and white television. all day long was hearings. i had no idea what they were. that's when she made her name. >> her editor at the old washington star pulled her aside and after asking her if she didn't plan on having a family they wanted to do more with her at the paper and asked her to add color and flare to the news pages. the capitol hill policeman escorted her to the front row seat at the hearings and did a
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column for every day of the hearings and became an overnight sensation. >> i was with them back at the belfast. let's talk about her loves. she fell for a lot of people just emotionally and aesthetically. i don't think she had relations. she loved jack kennedy, hated joe mccarthy, loved bobby kennedy. >> absolutely. she was an emotional observer of politics. she put her heart into it. she really believed in politicians that were out there and willing to take a chance and willing to raise their voice. >> why did nixon hate her? >> they were perfect enemies. if you designed two people you couldn't make them more dissimilar. he saw her as an enemy of the state. he had the irs investigate her returns. she got a bigger return. >> three years her taxes were audited.
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>> she got a bigger refund because she donated to orphans. >> you said in the book she should have never been in pollapau polit politics. >> let me ask about lbj. want to give us the dirty on that? >> lbj was desperate to woo her. >> literally. >> as well as a columnist. it shows how important it was that perk what she was writing and appeared in the paper. >> look at the picture next to the oval office. that's notorious for other reasons. there is mary and lbj giving her the eye. >> with feet up. that was part of his campaign to woo her and took it to a very personal level showing up at her apartment. >> he propositioned her. >> showed up with secret service at the apartment and said you love the kennedys. you should love me and made a p pass at her splmpt .
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stratrade center came down during his time. >> you can't blame george bush for that. >> he was president. don't blame him or don't blame him. he was president. >> jeb bush jumped in to defend his earbrother tweeting. we were attacked and my brother kept us safe. let's bring in the round table. let me start across the line. what did you make of that exchange? >> it was donald trump being honest donald trump saying exactly what is on his mind. just factually speaking what he said was true. the world trade center the towers came down -- >> what did jeb bush mean when he said he kept our country safe? >> i'm trying to figure out what that meant. after that happened and the country was scared and not sure another attack was going to
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happen george w. bush kept us safe. the towers came down and we were attacked when george w. bush was president. >> i think donald trump has become an expert of provoking jeb bush to lineup as close to his brother which set aside this particular topic and the merits of what trump said versus the merits of bush's response that is not a good political position for jeb bush to be in. people have a certain weariness about george w. bush. what i thought was telling was i think jeb missed an opportunity. if you look at what else he said it is clear that donald trump seems to have hurricane sandy confused with sandy hook. if i were jeb bush -- he was talking about how these people are still waiting for help. he is either advocating gun control which is popular with
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republicans -- i think he is talking -- he was asked about sandy hook when talking about hurricane sandy. >> a lot more work to be done on sandy. >> i agree with liz. i think trump is laying the bait for jeb and jeb is taking it every time, tying him to george w. i think trump wants that fight. it is a mistake to think of trump as a regular republican. he is running against both parties. >> let me ask you this. suppose the world trade towers had been attacked and demolished under power of barack obama? would the republicans have let it go at that? >> of course, not. >> they would be saying he let it happen.
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that's what i couldn't understand about the reporter saying how can you connect him to that? he was president. >> she was baiting trump, too. >> i think she specifically used the word blame there. i think the question is objectively -- do you blame him? >> and when we are talking about the underwear bomber plenty of republicans did. it is also worth remembering a lut of what we have heard out of democrats probably more in the base there has been blame placed with bush. we can litigate this to the end of the earth. >> never jumped on george w. for this and rallied for the country. we all joined in together. nobody played the politics. here is jeb and trump going at it in the last gop debate over handling of american security.
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>> as it relates to my brother one thing i know for sure he kept us safe. i don't know if you remember [ cheers and applause ] do you remember the firefighter with his arms and he sent a clear signal that the united states would be strong and fight islamic terrorism and he did keep us safe sdplmpt with do you feel safe right now? >> i wonder -- i think the democratic party has gotten a little less ferocious and the republican party is more ferocious about partisanship. democrats did not jump and murky circumstances without a government. >> and think about this in terms of litigating the iraq war. a lut of people wanted president obama when he was first selected to litigate what happened, to hold people accountable and he put the country first. not going to do that.
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we are not going to do this kind of partisanship. could you imagine? it's going on now. we are now on the eighth special committee investigating benghazi. all the other reports prove nothing happened. >> i also add, though, that it's a little bit hard. i think obama would have known it would have been hard to say we are going to prosecute dick cheney for war crimes. >> why did you bring that name up? i was thinking of it. where is that hanging tree? nobody went after him. >> irrespective of that. >> why would he be held responsible for iraq? >> you can substitute a number of names. you can say george bush whatever. he is the darth vader. >> the "hardball" round table
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we're liz, and david. anyway, republican national committee chairman reince priebus gave an interview to the "washington examiner" in which he acknowledged his party's in big trouble if it loses the presidential election next year. "i do think that we're cooked as a party for quite a while as a party if we don't win in 2016," he said. "so i do think that it's going to be hard to dig out of something like that." well, some of the wild talk about muslims and minorities that we're hearing right now from the right on town halls and campaign events these days certainly won't help the gop rally a diverse coalition to win. k anyway, it's this dark side to his party that priebus must probably be worried -- or worries doesn't exist. remember this trump rally just last month. >> okay, this man. i like this guy. >> from white plains. hey, man. >> okay. >> we have a problem in this
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country. it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. >> right. >> you know he's not even an american. >> we need this question. this first question. >> but anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. >> mm-hmm. >> that's my question. when can we get rid of them? >> we're going to be looking at a lot of different things. and a lot of people are saying that and a lot of people are saying that bad things are happening out there. we're going to be looking at that and plenty of other things. >> we? anyway, carly fiorina was also asked a question from an audience member about what she will do about muslims in this country. this is now. let's watch. >> what is your position on immigration? and why should we change our country to suit their needs like the muslims? you know, especially the muslims are really raising heck right now. they want us to change our whole country to suit them. if they don't like the united states, get out of here. take your camel and beat it. >> well, you know, people are so frustrated and angry with the
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immigration situation. let me say that one of the most important things about this nation is that we judge people as individuals. we judge people as individuals. we don't lump people in a category and say you're this, so therefore you think that. by the way, that's called identity politics. and the democrats play it way too often. you're a woman, you care about this. you're hispanic, you care about that. the point is we judge people as individuals. so i'm not willing to condemn any group of people. i'm willing to judge each individual. >> the enlightenment. anyway, can the republican party win in 2016 with an electorate that exudes the hostility? that person there, not her, carly fiorina. but the questioner, the hatred toward minorities. liz mayer. she handled that okay. >> i thought she handled it very well. i'm sure that michele bachmann will probably take to twitter and trash her for it because she likes to trash carly as being too nice to muslims. >> treating people as individuals sounds -- >> treating people like individuals. >> sounds like the republican
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philosophy. >> i agree. but there are some people -- and this goes to where we have a real problem. there are some people in the party that i think don't fully subscribe to the value set that a lot of people in it want to actually advance. and i think that's a kaj because that's where you're seeing people going to trump versus -- >> i like the way they approached immigration was marco rubio when he talked about his grandfather xlrnd to him in spanish the values of america. we're all very patriotic here and i think we love the fact that somebody loves our country not just as a place to get to for a job but a country whose values we really absorb. and i thought that was a wonderful way for a guy who's the child of immigrants to say okay, i'm a republican, this is the way we look at it. >> and rubio would be the best vessel for that message. responding to that question. he's articulate. he talks about american exceptionalism better than anybody else in the field. but of course the republicans can still win this race because they're going to make it about hillary and with her numbers -- >> if they don't knock her out how do they beat her in how do they beat her in points? >> she's defined by most of the american electorate. she's under 50% on favorability. she's losing general election
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matches in pennsylvania -- >> i disagree with you, david. here's the problem. when you have people talking like that it might play well in the republican party base but it turns off the general -- >> like whom? >> i'm talking about the general electorate -- >> but you're talking about that lady -- the person -- the guy who asked the question or how she responded? >> well, i thought her response was better than trump's response but it's certainly not the gold standard that marco rubio sets. and the republican party knows it has an issue, reince priebus knows it has an issue because of the gop autopsy. he knows they're in trouble. that's where that quote came from. >> the body's still dead. thank you, jonathan cape particular, liz mai and david ca catanese. when we return a lost hero. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. and [inhale/exhale mnemonic] breathe happy.
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well, it turns out that young jerry parr had set his heart on becoming a secret service agent from boyhood. when he was 9 he'd talked his father into taking him to see "code of the secret service." its hero was a dashing agent and pilot named brass bancroft. you can see the appeal it had for a young boy like parr. according to the studio build-up at the time, bancroft and his fellow agents were required to be dauntless in the face of danger and fearless in the face of death. on march 30th, 1981 at 2:30 in the afternoon the man who started "code of the secret service" had just given a speech at the washington hilton hotel. he was heading to his car when shots rang out. in the midst of that horror jerry parr followed the secret service rule of cover and evacuate. this is the president, parr yelled to those out in front of george washington university hospital. it was just three minutes after they'd left the hilton. ronald reagan had lost a huge amount of blood through internal bleeding. it would take the great surgeons of the gw to extract the
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unexploded slug resting precariously close to his heart. jerry parr went to the only place that could save him. he had done his job. he had followed the code. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- zple was president. blame him or don't blame him but he was president. >> reporter: the republican primary is fighting over 9/11 again. >> he kept us safe. >> reporter: jeb bush attacks donald trump for citing his brother's record as the rnc chair warns of disaster for his party. then -- why donald trump's self-funding deception has big implications. >> i'm funding my own campaign. nobody else is. plus, new bombshell evidence that the benghazi committee is a plot to stop hillary. and the man behind "steve jobs." >> he's a wonderful like okay, i have to rethink what i think. you know, i have to think different. >> my interview with director danny boyle when "all in" starts right now.

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