tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC October 17, 2015 3:00am-4:01am PDT
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tonight for a very sappy reason. there's a lot to come. we've got a big show. it's going to be a very fun show, i think. but we start tonight with the governor of louisiana. his name is bobby jindal. he's fun. he's currently running for president. his presidential campaign is going terribly. bobby jindal reporting he has a grand total of $261,000 cash on hand for his entire presidential campaign. governor jindal is not on track to make it into the next republican debate, not even close. in national polls these days 1% is a huge day for bobby jindal, but 0% is a more typical day. still, though, bobby jindal's not quitting. and i've got to say, the incentives for him to get out of the race or stay in the race may be about to change. because bobby jindal is about to lose his current job as governor of the state of louisiana. it's not his fault. it's just time. election day to pick the next governor of louisiana to succeed bobby jindal is next saturday.
really, louisiana? on a saturday? yes. okay. october 24th, next saturday, is election day in louisiana to pick a new governor. the republican favorite in that race is this man, louisiana senator david vitter, who is the only person in the u.s. senate who competes with ted cruz for the least liked person in the whole institution among his colleagues. but there are three republicans running in louisiana to succeed bobby jindal as governor. senator david vitter polls the best among them. but the democrat in that louisiana race also has a pretty good chance of winning. he's a democratic state representative named john bel edwards. not to be confused with the other john not bel edwards. but that louisiana governor's race, that is not some-2016 race that we're looking ahead to for next year. this is a 2015 race. that louisiana governor's race is next week. and then right after that it's the other big 2015 governor's
race, which happens in the great state of kentucky. and kentucky we think of as a reddish state. kentucky's at least in the south. but kentucky has a democratic governor right now. that's part of why kentucky has this great turnaround in a good way in its health care numbers. the uninsured rate has dropped through the floor in kentucky like it has almost nowhere else in the country. that's because even though there is a republican legislature there there's a democratic governor there who has been mr. obamacare, pushing his state to accept every possible thing they could from obamacare, and it's just had tremendous results in that state. so it's just been really interesting to see. kentucky had this democratic governor steve beshear over these last couple of years. but steve beshear may not be an outlier. kentucky may be about to elect another democrat to replace steve beshear as governor. the democratic candidate for governor in kentucky in this election that happens in just a couple of weeks, it happens
november 3rd, the democratic candidate is jack conway. who is the state's attorney general right now. he also, i have it on good authority, he is also the bone structure model that they use for finding a good jaw line when they want to cast a classic politician in an after school special. jack conway is already a state elected official in kentucky. he's got great name recognition. he's run for a bunch of stuff already. but he's state elected. he's the democrats' candidate for governor. the republicans' candidate for governor is matt bevan. matt bevan is not a state elected official or elected in any other way. he did run for senate against mitch mcconnell in 2014. that was kind of a disaster for him. you might remember him as the guy who went to a cockfighting rally and gave a big speech about how cockfighting ought to be legal in kentucky. and afterward when he was called on it by the press he said he had no idea it was a cockfighting rally, he's quite sure it wasn't. now he's the republicans' candidate for governor. and today the matt bevin
campaign did something really strange. i've never seen this before in a gubernatorial election -- i've never seen this actually before in any major election. but what they did is released their own internal polling on the kentucky governor's race to show the public what their own private data says about how matt bevin is going to do in that governor's race. and the data they released shows that his own campaign believes that matt bevin is going to lose that race. this is a weird thing. this is kind of like a political operations weird thing. but it is a really weird thing. i mean, public polls come out all the time. public polling comes out showing a candidate doing very poorly. it's embarrassing. the candidate has to come up with some explanation for that. bear that embarrassment. ask bobby 1% jindal how that kind of thing feels with public polls. but in addition to that public polling that everybody sees candidates also in big races
tend to hire their own private pollsters to give them secret but true information about how they're doing in whatever race they are running. usually in a normal campaign, they would only release that secret data publicly if the candidate looked bad in the public polling but the private polling told a much rosier story. so a campaign might say oh, sure, all the public polls show our guy getting swamped. they show our guy's a lost cause. but look at this private polling we just did at the candidate's family reunion. aren't these numbers great? look, he's going to win. look at these numbers instead. that's how it goes in a typical campaign. you keep the polling private unless it tells a shockingly good story. that is the opposite of what just happened tonight in kentucky. tonight the matt bevin for governor campaign released their own internal polling showing their candidate is losing to democrat jack conway. so that's weird. it's hard to get your head around why they might do that. but a lot of things are hard to get your head around from
kentucky right now. matt bevin was also the gubernatorial candidate who did a joint campaign event this month with rand paul. right? rand paul is the republican senator from kentucky. he's also a republican presidential candidate this year. two hours after the rand paul campaign announced that rand paul and matt bevin would be doing a joint political event in kentucky, two hours after that announcement matt bevin went on local radio in kentucky and announced that if he had to vote for president today he'd vote for ben carson. what? and then just a couple days later he had to show up for this sad little event with rand paul and pretend he'd never said that and pretend that they were, you know, moving kentucky forward together. or whatever. so things are tough and things are weird in kentucky right now. they're tough for republicans heading into this election in a couple of weeks. even after that election is over, whatever happens to good old matt bevin, next year kentucky republicans have been really worried about the fact that they've got one of their u.s. senators up for re-election
and instead of focusing all his efforts on trying to get re-elected that senator is spending all his time now for running for president. and his presidential campaign is going very poorly. i mean, not bobby jindal poorly but poorly. rand paul spent almost twice as much money as he brought in this past quarter. the head of one of his super pacs had to resign to go face federal criminal charges in iowa this week, which derive from an iowa scandal in the last presidential election in which the ron paul for president campaign apparently bribed a state senator to get his endorsement in the iowa caucuses that year. rand paul's dad the former congressman ron paul had to go personally testify in that trial in iowa this week. he said he thought it was all a conspiracy against his son and the paul family. i mean things are tough for rand paul. he has got that going on. he's got money trouble. he's averaging below 3% in the polls. his presidential prospects do not look bright. and each new bit of evidence
supporting the futility of the rand paul presidential effort it ups the pressure on him at home that he should drop that apparently futile effort and instead focus on trying to keep hold of his senate seat. maybe that's doable. and rand paul keeps insisting that, you know, he can do both. nothing about him running for president is hurting his senate re-election chances. there's no reason he should stop running for president. there's nothing about his presidential run that puts his senate seat at risk. but then came news today about his f.e.c. filings. he had to turn in his f.e.c. numbers just like all the other candidates did this week. and in rand paul's f.e.c. filings, his news, that rand paul literally has transferred money, has transferred tens of thousands of dollars from his senate re-election campaign to his presidential election campaign. quoting from the "washington post" today, "the f.e.c. filing shows rand paul moved another
$57,000 this past quarter from his senate re-election fund to his presidential campaign, which brings the total amount of funds transferred from his senate re-election campaign to his presidential campaign to $1.4 million." so $1.4 million that was donated to re-elect rand paul to the senate has instead been diverted by rand paul to the cause of trying to elect him president. ah. so if you know any kentucky republicans and you want to know why they're freaking out recently, matt bevin is probably one of those reasons. rand paul is the other. at the top of the ticket on the republican presidential side, though, today presented basically the opposite problem. at the top of the republican presidential field today their problem was too much enthusiasm, too much interest. the donald trump for president campaign today somewhat -- it appeared somewhat inexplicably planned a rally in massachusetts.
massachusetts is not a typical republican stomping ground in presidential campaigns for a reason. but maybe the donald trump campaign knows something we don't. because they planned this rally in tyngsboro, massachusetts for an elementary school auditorium with a capacity of 1,800 people. they received 4,000 rsvps for people who wanted to attend this event tonight. this is people lined up outside hoping for a chance to glimpse donald trump on his way in. donald trump just absolutely mobbed in massachusetts of all places tonight. mr. trump also today picked a particularly exquisite fight with his main republican establishment rival jeb bush. and he picked it basically unsolicited. he volunteered this incredibly controversial line of attack in response to what was honestly a very open-ended, almost solicitous question from bloomberg news. listen to the question and then listen to his answer. >> in order to be the president of the united states you have to be a leader in so many ways.
we haven't seen your soft hand. we've seen your offense. but george bush had to stand in front of america after 9/11. barack obama did after sandy hook. help us understand who donald trump is as a man. i need to know that you will make us feel safe and you will make us feel proud. >> i think i have a bigger heart than all of them. i think i'm much more competent than all of them. when you talk about george bush. i mean, say what you want. the world trade center came down during his time. if you -- >> hold on. you can't blame george bush for that. >> he was president. okay? don't blame him or don't blame him. but he was president. the world trade center came down during his reign. >> technically true. also something that republicans in particular and most people generally don't tend to talk about. but right on cue it set jeb bush off like a rigged slot machine. jeb bush's response, "how pathetic. for donald trump to criticize the president for 9/11." the president meaning then president george w. bush.
"we were attacked and my brother kept us safe." even though this is uncomfortable to talk about, jeb bush certainly has to be aware that the first three words of that last sentence and the last three words of that last sentence probably do not belong in the same sentence. but that is uncomfortable to talk about and that is not something that usually comes up in polite politics. it never comes up in polite republican politics. but donald trump is not polite and he is a different kind of republican. and if his strategy so far is to get establishment republicans absolutely apoplectically furious with him so they denounce him publicly and then he basks in their hatred while the whole exercise just further pumps up his poll numbers among republican voters, well, then these comments about george w. bush being president when the 9/11 attacks happened, these comments may be the apex of that strategy because you can tune in to every single sunday morning tv show on every network this
weekend if you want to see establishment republicans absolutely lose their mind over this latest thing that donald trump said, specifically to make them lose their minds. so that's what has just happened on the republican side. on the democratic side check this out. democrats have had their one debate so far, right? next time they're all going to be on stage together is not technically the next debate. it's a forum, which msnbc is going to be hosting. i'm going to be the moderator of that event. it happens on friday, november 6th. that event is going to be held at winthrop university in rock hill, south carolina. and this morning the south carolina democratic party started making tickets available to the public for anybody who wants to come to that event live and sit in the audience in south carolina on november 6th to see hillary clinton and bernie sanders and martin o'malley, to see this next democratic forum that i will be moderating. they put the tickets on sale at 9:00 this morning. by 9:05 this morning every
single one of them was gone, the whole thing was sold out. they completely sold out the entire event in five minutes. so if you're looking for a barometer of interest and enthusiasm on the democratic side of the presidential race, that's kind of an awesome measure of that. if you wanted to get a ticket and you were not able to because they went so fast, this news is probably sad news for you. if you're me and you're thinking about being the moderator of that forum, that news is kind of -- gulp, right? it's slightly daunting. never mind. but you know what? it does prove that people are psyched. people are that into what's going on on the democratic side of the presidential race. and that all happened between 9:00 and 9:05 this morning, which is before the huge news that happened on that very issue later on today. and that's next.
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it started in june. senator bernie sanders started to close the polling gap in new hampshire between him and secretary clinton in june. and then he did it in august for the first time. senator sanders started to beat hillary clinton in the state of new hampshire. since then he has been up in new hampshire. senator sanders has been first and former secretary of state hillary clinton has been in second. until today. today we got the first poll of democratic voters that took place after the democratic debate this week, and in new hampshire it looks like hillary clinton is back on top. still really close. but at least in this one suffolk university/boston globe poll out today hillary clinton has regained her lead in the great state of new hampshire. but here's the thing. check out the joe biden data in the same poll. so secretary clinton in this poll is at 37%. bernie sanders is at 35%. and suffolk and boston globe there polling on vice president biden even though he is not in the race. but there he comes in at 11%. look at the
favorable/unfavorable ratings. hillary clinton's favorable/unfavorable is positive among new hampshire democrats. almost exactly the same as president obama's favorable rating. joe biden's favorable/unfavorable rating is better than president obama's and better than hillary clinton's. but it's almost exactly tied with bernie sanders' ratings. look at this number. who do you trust the most among the candidates? hillary clinton and joe biden, again, very close to each other. almost the same. within one point of each other. bernie sanders is more trusted than either of them by a big 12-point margin. look at this one. which democratic candidate has the best chance of winning the general election against a republican nominee? turns out it is hillary clinton by a huge margin. you ask new hampshire democrats, who has the best chance of winning in the general election, hillary's at 52%. bernie sanders is at 16%. vice president biden trailing at 14%. and this is the last one.
this is fascinating. do you think vice president joe biden should become a candidate for president and enter the race? democrats in new hampshire when asked that question say no. by a 14-point margin. democrats in new hampshire say that joe biden should not get in the race. well, today there was news on that front. big news. joe biden's former chief of staff when he was a senator, the man who took over the biden senate seat when joe biden became vice president, former senator ted kaufman today, who's known to be very, very close to vice president biden, today he sent this long e-mail to what's called biden alumni, joe biden's political support network basically, and the e-mail basically touts how great a candidate joe biden would be for president if he runs. on top of that today cnn also reports today that vice president biden has personally been making calls to the early states. "vice president joe biden has personally made a series of calls this week to democratic strategists from iowa, new hampshire and south carolina,
asking a final round of detailed questions about how, not whether, to launch a 2016 presidential campaign." according to cnn, "he's asking these people to work for him if he runs. the vice president has been making clear in these calls that his family is fully supportive of him jumping into the 2016 race." and family support, vice president biden said all along, would be the key issue for him in deciding whether or not he would run. truth is whether vice president biden is running or not is absolutely unknown. and yes, we have a fresh batch of maybe clues today. if the vice president does decide to get in the race, if he does decide to take the plunge, one of the first people to know will be my next guest. joining us now is steve shale. he's a democratic strategist and adviser to the draft biden effort. mr. shale, it's really nice to have you here. thanks for being here. >> thanks, rachel. good to be back. >> so just tell us. i know you know.
just tell us. >> rachel, trust me, there's probably nobody on the earth that wants to know more than me. i've been out here for two months beating the bushes trying to make the good case for the vice president. and i'm ready to know myself. >> do you have a feeling about when it would be too late? obviously the first democratic debate has already happened. the internal dynamics among the candidates who are in the race are now sort of ripe. we know how those things are going to be playing out i think between some of the top-tier candidates. at what point is it too late either technically or just in terms of the dynamics of the race? >> well, i mean, really it doesn't get too late until you start passing state ballot deadlines. so for example, i think arkansas and alabama come up the first couple days in november. texas i think is maybe the 10th or 11th of november. once you get past that and you start knocking states off and delegates you can't compete for it gets pretty tough. but i suspect we'll be hearing in the news and kind of what i'm hearing just in the ether that we're going to have an answer pretty quickly.
>> in terms of the way you just put that, what we're hearing in the news and what you're hearing sort of in the ether. i feel like we're all in the ether. i feel like there's so much unsourced information, there's so much media speculation driving other media speculation. that's why it felt like real news today to hear this from ted kaufman. this is a signed letter from somebody who's closer to vice president biden in a political sense than anybody else. was that something that vice president biden you think put out through ted kaufman? was that ted kaufman's own initiative? how did you receive that? >> i got it from a friend of mine who had worked for the vice president previously. i was an employer for 600 people in 2008 and i reach out to my employees from time to time. i have no idea if it was authorized or not. what makes sense, i'm sure that ted's getting a lot of phone calls from people who worked for the vice president in the past. certainly i have. he's probably getting three times what i'm getting. so it would make sense for him to let them know what's going on. >> it did not feel informational, though. it felt encouraging. it felt like this is the way his
campaign is going to sound, this is the kind of campaign he's going to run, won't it be awesome. it didn't sound like he was trying to deliver information about what he knew and what he didn't know. >> well, i think everybody, including me frankly, we're trying to give the vice president the space to make that final decision. nobody wants to say anything that's going to put them in a box. this is an intensely personal decision. i can't even imagine going through the process. i once thought about running for the legislature and that was enough stress for me. i think it makes sense for everybody to kind of take a little step back. we want to encourage the supporters that we're all ready to go as soon as he says yes. if he says yes. but i think it's right for ted and for folks like me to give him the space to make that decision. >> are you at all daunted by those new hampshire numbers out today where people say simultaneously that they like vice president biden almost more than any other public figure in the united states, let alone politicians, right? he's incredibly popular. but at the same time democrats in new hampshire don't want him to run. >> well, rachel, i'm a democrat
in north florida. so i'm not daunted by much these days. i'm used to a challenge. listen, a poll is a one snapshot in time. i mean, if you go back to this point in 2007, i think hillary clinton had nearly a 30-point average lead over barack obama in the polling. so meanwhile, people like you and i are living this stuff every single day. the reality is voters are just paying attention and if biden gets in the next few days or week or so he'll have a bump from that and there will be a forum in november, there will be a debate in november and we'll see where we are then. >> steve schale democratic strategist, adviser to the draft biden effort and a good sport for letting me badger you on these issues. >> thank you, rachel. >> there is it turns out big and late-breaking news tonight from the obama administration. i previewed this at the top of the show. this is an announcement that environmental groups i think did not see coming. certainly didn't see it coming today. but it has at least one environmental group saying tonight literally that they are waving their kayak paddles in thanks.
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for oil. those rappelling protesters in portland came after the swarms of kayakers in seattle who had tried to block a different shell rig from docking in that city back in may. those kayakers came back to try to block that ship again in june when it was leaving seattle to go up to alaska. shell oil worked for seven years, they built $7 billion trying to figure out how to drill offshore for oil in what is basically uncharted territory off the northern coast of alaska up in the arctic. in august shell got the go-ahead from the obama administration to start that unprecedented arctic drilling. and politically of course that was very awkward because a couple of days after that president obama was taking his big high-profile trip to alaska specifically to talk about climate change. he became the first sitting president to travel above the arctic circle. he went there specifically to highlight the effects of climate change and to talk about his administration's efforts to combat it. but he did that right after approving drilling the arctic for oil. here's the thing.
after seven years and $7 billion and a couple of spectacular rig disasters and several flotillas of protesting kayaks and people rappelling off a bridge and the rest of it, shell did finally get up to the arctic, and they drilled in the arctic. and what they found was bubkes. a couple of weeks ago shell announced that the company, having found bubkes, was going to give up. after all this time and all that money they were giving up their arctic drilling effort. what they found up there was not worth it. quote, "this is a clearly disappointing exploration outcome." "shell will now cease further exploration activity in offshore alaska for the foreseeable future." operations will continue to safely demobilize people and equipment from the chukchi sea. the well will be sealed and abandoned in accordance with u.s. regulations. shell got permission to go drill the arctic from the obama administration but shell couldn't pull it off. they didn't get what they needed out there. and that was a couple of weeks ago that shell announced they
were pulling out. and now tonight the white house has just pulled the plug on the whole thing for everyone because tonight the obama administration has announced that it will not renew any current drilling leases in arctic waters and they will not sell any more of them either. wow. this was the response from greenpeace to this announcement tonight. and i quote directly, "greenpeace collectively waves its kayak paddles in thanks to the president for ensuring this arctic protection." up this is big news today. we knew shell was pulling out. but they had been given permission. was somebody else going to follow them and try to pull off what shell wasn't able to do? no. we now know there will be no more drilling in the arctic ocean. at least -- in the arctic during the obama presidency. the arctic will not be drilled under this president. this one's done. shell failed. and the activists trying to keep the arctic undrilled, those activists won. they won. clear as day.
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this is the story that might keep you up at night. the one i warned you about. this is deep rock elementary school. deep rock elementary. mascot the tigers. school color, blue. deep rock elementary closed at the end of the last school year. there is a brand spanking new school for those kids a couple months away. still, though, if you went to deep rock elementary, the closing of that school might feel sad. you might have some great memories. maybe several generations of your family went there. that schoolhouse has been around in some form since 1892. so for some folks it might be a little sad that that school closed. from another angle, though, literally from another angle, literally from an aerial view, it is something other than sad because there, we see the little arrow there, there is deep rock elementary. you see all those white circles around it in all directions? you know what those are?
those are humongous tanks of crude oil. lots of them. those tanks of crude oil surrounding the former deep rock elementary school are in fact the largest oil storage facility in the world. and there are a lot of big oil facilities in the world. just in this country we have the sunoco logistics nederland terminal that holds 25 million barrels. the houston fuel oil terminal that holds 36 million barrels. the louisiana offshore oil port which holds 67 million barrels of oil. but cushing, oklahoma calls itself the pipeline crossroads of the world, and their hub is bigger than all of those. the cushing hub holds 82 million barrels of oil. it could fit all the oil from the sunoco and houston terminals and still have room for another 20 million barrels plus. the cushing hub is so big and so many oil pipelines come together there, there's so much oil stored there that the federal government has designated that giant farm of huge oil tanks as critical national infrastructure. and until just a few months ago
right in the middle of it was -- literally right in the middle of it was this elementary school. and that scariest map in the world is how we here at "the rachel maddow show" this week have been celebrating national remember about earthquakes day. the day isn't actually called that. technically they call it's great shake out. but i find that too embarrassing to say. so i call it remember about earthquakes day. and what happens on remember about earthquakes day every year is that there are earthquake drills that happen all across the country, all at the exact same time on the same day. they happen 10:15 a.m. on 10-15, on october 15th. it's easy to remember. 10:15 on 10-15. millions of people took part this year. and every year there's always lots of participants in, you know, california and across the west where earthquakes are common. they do these kind of drills all the time, including on remember about earthquakes day. but now the great shakeout is being observed with renewed urgency in places where people never used to join in. places like oklahoma because now it turns out we have new kinds
of earthquakes. now we as humans have developed the technology to make earthquakes as a terrible unintended consequence of the way we get oil and gas out of the ground now. earlier this year the state of oklahoma finally admitted what the science had been suggesting for years, that when companies dispose of huge volumes of toxic wastewater from their fracking operations by injecting that stuff deep into the earth sometimes the earth doesn't like it. sometimes it triggers earthquakes. we had one of those earthquakes just a few days ago in oklahoma. since the fracking boom started oklahoma's had a few of those things. the state had had in fact lots of those earthquakes with increasing frequency. 700 earthquakes in oklahoma this year, which is already more than they had in all of last year. oklahoma didn't really used to have earthquakes of any significant size at all. they certainly didn't have them all the time. but now oklahoma has a ton of earthquakes all the time. and the one they had last weekend was a big one.
it was a 4.5. and you know where the one, this 4.5 unusually large earthquake was last weekend in oklahoma? it was there. it was in cushing. home of the fighting tigers and the former deep rock elementary school. right in the middle of the biggest oil storage facility in the world. what could possibly go wrong? so happy remember about earthquakes day in our new age of manmade earthquakes. god forbid another really serious quake ever happens in cushing, oklahoma and that bit of our crucial national infrastructure. but if it does happen there, we will never be able to say it was a surprise. joining us now is jeremy boak, director of the oklahoma geological survey. thank you very much for being with us tonight. i appreciate having you here. >> it's a pleasure to be here, rachel. >> i know it is an unscientific and probably therefore sort of offensive thing for me to say, the earth doesn't like it. talking about the injection of fracking waste fluid.
but is everybody on the same board -- everybody on board now with the fact that these are manmade earthquakes and we can essentially start and stop them by whether or not we do this kind of injection behavior? >> yes, well, i haven't done any polling on it, but most of the technical community agrees that yes indeed. we took a position in april as the oklahoma geological survey a couple of months before i came on board and said yes indeed, there is a connection between the injection of water from oil and gas operations. and it's not actually frack water. it's naturally occurring water that occurs in the formations that produce the oil and gas. these happen to be ones that produce a large amount of water for every gallon of oil you get out of them. so we've been disposing of a large amount of this formation water, naturally occurring water, but it is very salty. somewhere well north of ocean water and beyond in many cases dead sea water.
this is really salty water. and of course because it's been living there for tens of thousands of years with oil associated with it, it's not really sweet. that's the water that we're disposing of. we're taking it out of formations, separating the oil and gas, and then we've got this stuff that has to be disposed of for many, many years, disposing of it in this one formation was an extremely good idea. and since -- so we did. we disposed of a lot of water in this deep formation called the arbuckle group. it happens to sit right on top of the crystalline basement. it was a long way away from ground water. great place to put it. turns out, however, when you really crank up the amount you put in there you start changing the stress state deep in the rock and you actually cause some small faults to move. the ones that are oriented just right within the stress field in oklahoma. so we've had somewhere, i believe we're now past 700 earthquakes of magnitude 3 or greater this year. >> looking specifically at cushing, around the cushing hub,
obviously this is critical national infrastructure according to the federal government. that school that i highlighted there was basically to capture people's imagination. that school is closed now. but looking at that as a facility, are you particularly worried about seismic activity around that spot in oklahoma? >> yes. we're worried about -- i mean, we're worried about earthquakes sort of anywhere in this large area. it's about 15% of the area of oklahoma. it's been having this spate of large earthquakes. we had magnitude 4 earthquakes. we've had somewhere in the 20s now. last number i remember was 22. and i can't remember whether that was before or after these cushing earthquakes. we've had a number of these earthquakes this year that are of that scale. those aren't the ones that cause the damage but if you have enough of them you start worrying about the next one that might be bigger. >> dr. jeremy boak, director of the oklahoma geological survey. thank you for helping us understand all this. i feel like i understand it much
better just talking to you for this short amount of time. i hope you'll come back. >> i'd be happy to. >> thank you. all right. we've got a cocktail moment coming up. more news tonight. it's an unusually packed friday show. please stay with us. there's something out there. that can be serious, even fatal to infants. it's whooping cough, and people can spread it without knowing it. understand the danger your new grandchild faces. talk to your doctor or pharmacist about a whooping cough vaccination today. ♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season
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we have been getting a lot of feedback asking about this story. it concerns the great state of alabama, republicans in complete control, control both chambers of the legislature, they control the supreme court, and in the person of governor robert bentley they also control the executive branch. last month, governor bentley announced that alabama would close the places where you get a driver's license in most of the heavily black counties in the state of alabama. this of course follows a new strict voter i.d. law in alabama for which a driver's license is the most common form of i.d. people show in order to be allowed to vote in that state. governor bentley has tried to defend that decision since it generated a lot of outrage but it has been an unending embarrassment at home and around the country since word got out. all the counties where the population is at least three-quarters black, all those counties losing their driver's license offices. we reported this week that governor bentley has been
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tomorrow morning at 6:18 a.m. eastern time, an airbus a-321 will land at philadelphia international airport. and that landing will be the end of one fairly typical redeye overnight flight from san francisco to philadelphia. but that will also be the end of u.s. air. that flight tonight is the last-ever scheduled flight for us airways. because that whole airline of course is being eaten by american airlines, which is now the largest airline in the world. they changed the flight number for this last flight tonight. the san francisco to philly friday night redeye had been flight 434. but they changed it tonight 1939. because 1939 is when u.s. air started. it was originally all american aviation. they flew airmail. they didn't fly people. they grew into a regional airline called allegheny airlines which is when my partner susan's beloved dad
started flying for them as a pilot at allegheny. allegheny became u.s. air in 1979. they technically became u.s. airways in 1997. but now as of 6:18 a.m. tomorrow morning when flight 1939 lands in philly the whole airline will cease to exist forever. "usa today" reporting the u.s. air reservation system is going to go dark at midnight tonight. then the website will disappear shortly thereafter. overnight tonight airport personnel will start dismantling all the u.s. air stuff at all the airports where they have ticket counters and everything else across the country. when you wake up tomorrow it will all be gone. i know air travel isn't what it used to be. i still love it. susan's dad was a pilot. you know what? u.s. air deserves a fond sendoff. and so i know there's all sorts of things people drink on planes they don't drink anywhere else. what's the proportion of the nation's ginger ale drunk in a seat that has a number and a letter? right? do you drink ginger ale anywhere else?
when you get a bloody mary made on an airport i suggest gin instead of vodka. it's way better, top tip. to say a proper formal farewell to u.s. air i thought about a ginger ale drink or a gin bloody mary. but this is actually one of my favorite cocktails all-time. it's a classic. it's called the aviation. if i make it right you will see why it's called the aviation in just a second. the ingredients are gin, fresh lemon, marascino, which is not hard to find. it's not hard to find. you have to check out the old ladies put this on the fruit salad section of your local store. this is hard to find, creme de villet. this is how you make it. pretty simple. two ounces of gin. you'll notice these are kind of martini proportions, sort of. two ounces of gin. okay.
then we do three-quarters of an ounce of lemon juice. use an actual lemon, promise me you'll use an actual lemon. three-quarters of an ounce. oh, yeah. thank you, sorry. half an ounce of the marascino. it's very sweet, don't overdo it. it has a funk factor too which you have to get used to but grow up, get used to it. finally the thing that makes it blue if it works right is a bar spoon full, a tiny bar spoon full of this bar purple creme de villet. i spilled, i didn't spill into the drink, that's good. if that works right, when you shake it up and put it in your cocktail glass it should be the pale, pale blue of the sky at high altitude. well, kind of.
good-bye, u.s. air. godspeed to u.s. air. susan's dad, this one's for you. "weekends with alex witt" starts right now. good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt" on this saturday. here's what's ahead for you this hour. at war over 9/11, the back and forth between donald trump and jeb bush getting more heated and worse as the night wore on. hillary clinton's closest aide in front of the ben ga zi panel. digging out on the west coast. highways are turned into a sea of mud in a matter of seconds. the latest in the live report. and big money headlines, new york city taxi cabs are ditching something that's drawn a lot of complaints over the last few years. we begin everyone with