tv Weekends With Alex Witt MSNBC October 17, 2015 4:00am-5:01am PDT
good-bye, u.s. air. godspeed to u.s. air. susan's dad, this one's for you. "weekends with alex witt" starts right now. good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt" on this saturday. here's what's ahead for you this hour. at war over 9/11, the back and forth between donald trump and jeb bush getting more heated and worse as the night wore on. hillary clinton's closest aide in front of the ben ga zi panel. digging out on the west coast. highways are turned into a sea of mud in a matter of seconds. the latest in the live report. and big money headlines, new york city taxi cabs are ditching something that's drawn a lot of complaints over the last few years. we begin everyone with politics and that war of words
and tweets between donald trump and jeb bush. bush is firing back at trump who suggested george w. bush shared in the blame for the 2001 terrorist attacks. >> talk about george bush. say what you want, the world trade center came down during his time. >> hold on. you can't blame george bush for that. >> well, he was president. don't blame him or don't blame him, but he was president. the world trade center came down during his reign. >> with well on twitter, jeb bush said how pathetic for donald trump to criticize the president for 9/11. we were attacked and my brother kept us safe. after initially dodging reporters' questions, donald trump said, no, jeb bush you're pathetic for saying nothing happened when the world trade center was attack and came down. and on capitol hill, huma abedin met behind closed doors
with the committee. >> i spoke with the committee's staff and today and i answered the questions to the best of my ability. with that i'll be making no further comments. and the joe biden 2016 watch is reaching its peak this weekend. sources say he could make a decision within the next 48 hours. clinton campaign chairman podesta told andrea mitchell said it's time for him to decide now and secretary clinton walked that back on cnn. >> what john was saying, whether you are encouraging or not, there does come point where a decision has to be made. but certainly i'm not in any way suggesting or recommending that the vice president accept any time table other than the one clicking inside of him. he has to make this decision. >> coming in half an hour, we'll take you live to the white house. but joining me right now, phil
philip bump from "the washington post." how do we interpret an e-mail sent from one of the closest advisers that says, be ready if we need you. he's undecided. but how is the tenor and tone being interpreted? >> one of the things interesting about the joe biden speculation, it reached a fever pitch as hillary clinton was starting to look more vulnerable. people who were hillary clinton fans were looking for someone else, but there was a democratic debate in which hillary clinton did well. people who were concerned about hillary clinton somewhat less concerned after seeing how she performed. i think what that e-mail was saying, biden might still do this thing, so don't give up on the speculation he miepgt run at this point. saying hey joe biden still exists out there, but it also shows some of the effort behind -- some of the push behind getting joe biden into the race had lessened. >> do you know the calculation
inside the clinton camp? are they desperate for him to run? not run? are they like bring it on, we can beat him? how is it going there? >> i think probably inside the clinton camp they're pretty confident they could beat him. there aren't any advantages that joe biden has that hillary clinton doesn't have. but that's also the problem. because the people who support joe biden are largely people who support hillary clinton. so hillary clinton and of course joe biden is very popular. so hillary clinton can't say, what is this joe biden character up to? we have to see, hey, it's up to joe biden but they're confident they can beat him if he gets in the race. >> in terms of timing we said it's a crucial 48 hours to get it done. it's due the filing deadlines. you have georgia coming up. and you have the rest coming up in december. >> that's right. he can rely on he own internal timetable all he wants but a lot
of the states are setting the timetables he has to adhere to if he wants to run. >> let's switch gears and talk about huma abedin and trey gowdy was notably absent. only three of the 12 committee members present. how do we read this, considering all of the recent fallout? >> well, i think that the fallout probably played some role. right? the now aborted campaign by kevin mccarthy to be speaker essentially the only thing that a campaign accomplished but kneecapping that committee. and implying that it was a politically motivated economy tee to say, hey, look, you should be questioning why this committee exists. i think now what that does it puts the committee in the position of having to rationalize what they're doing. they understand that abedin is pretty far afield from benghazi so they don't want to look like they're pressing do hard on her. >> how effective is it for trump to tie bush to his brother when it comes to 9/11?
>> part of donald trump's strategy what if he doesn't like someone he throws punches. george bush has regained his popularity a lot. george w. bush will be helping to campaign for jeb bush. he doesn't want to at this point in time to have to defend his brother. particularly because of what donald trump's fans are good at doing, as soon as donald trump says, hey this is the way it is, yeah, that's exactly the way it is. and so then they start rationalizing for example george w. bush had failed on national security. it's a bad position to be in but jeb bush has no option but to say you're wrong on this. >> all right. philip bump, thank you. developing now, residents in southern california are digging out after flash floods and mudslides trapped hundreds of vehicles including tractor-trailers and school buses. meanwhile, about 100 miles east of santa barbara, residents in
lake hughes are assessing the damage from the massive mudslide. how is how one motorist described what he felt and saw. >> it was just like a freight train coming through your house. it really was. it was really loud. we saw a mountain of boulders and dirt and stuff coming right for us. it pretty much lifted my car up and spun us around like it was nothing. >> well, in fact, several roads in lake hughes remain clear, but let's go to jennifer bjorkland. talk about clean-up. are they getting things cleaned up to let people through there? >> reporter: oh, you bet they have. and they made huge progress since yesterday.
we're here in lake hughs neighborhood near elizabeth lake. the roads are cleared but there are cars they need to dig out one by one. it is painstaking work. the good news is those flash flood warnings and watches are now cancelled. the forecast is clear. the rain we were expecting to come through here yesterday skirted to the north and the east as you saw there in santa barbara. a different area got hit. it would have been devastating here to have that type of rain two days in a row. so that is the good news. the stories that are coming out though, alex, amazing to hear that nobody was seriously injured or killed when that highway 58 flooded out and mud came through and trapped all those cars and big rigs. these are drivers of the big rigs that are very experienced. not just california drivers, but big rig drivers who go all over the country who said they have never seen anything like this. the rain came down so hard and the hail was coming down. they diverted off i-5 when that started getting bad. that's why there were so many cars and big rigs over on 58
because that was an alternate route. when that mud came down, it was like bumper cars. they became enrobed in mud, they had to wait until it got solid enough in of the people in the cars to break out the windows or sunroofs and walk away. little footprints in the mud you could see all around the cars and walk for hours in knee deep mud to get free of it. people here are exhausted and fire crews here have made about 750 welfare checks in the houses. just to make sure that people aren't trapped, people are doing okay and they'll continue to dig out and hopefully get all of the roads open again. alex? >> extraordinary pictures and descriptions. thank you very much for giving that to us. so now the storm that brought that rain to southern california is on the move, heading east and bringing the threat of flash floods with it. plus, temperatures are dropping and there's talk of possible snow here in the northeast. well, the weather channel's
reynolds wolf is here with all those headlines. good morning. >> oh, great to see you this morning. tell you what, maybe not great for what some of you are going to see or feel across parts of the eastern half of the country. ohio valley too. take a look, we have the chill warnings in effect. we have the pink that's where you have your freeze warnings but the frost advisories from nashville into asheville. that's one component of what's going to be one of the topics this weekend. another issue is what you're doing to see from the skies above to the ground below. rain showers and wet snowflakes. can you believe it? so if you're going out leaf peeping in parts of new england, you may have some snowflakes for today, tonight. wow. rain showers towards caribou and tomorrow, more become prevalent in the key stone state of pennsylvania. finger lakes, scattered snow now is -- showers. higher elevations, one to three inches. other spots less than an inch of snow. farther to the south, it's the
fire threat into louisiana and portions of mississippi, little rock, arkansas and even texas. fire weather watch in effect. very low humidity. be careful if you're barbecuing. back to you. rhode island man who lost his leg in a shark attack said the animal bit him and hit him like an 18 wheeler truck. colin cook said he punched it off his leg before a fellow surfer came to his aid. >> i was out waiting for a weav and out of nowhere i felt like a truck ran into me and it took me a second to realize what was going on. he kind of dragged me under water and it took me a second to realize it was like a massive shark. >> wow. doctors amputated most of cook's left leg and a couple of fingers but he's determined to suspicious of again. nbc news has learned about a
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this morning new violence in israel and the west bank. israeli police officers say that -- say that officers shot and killed a palestinian teenager who tried to stab them. the military says an israeli civilian shot and wounded a palestinian who tried to stab him. and in another incident in hebron, a palestinian woman was shot and killed as she tried to stab a police officer. the a.p. reports in the past month, eight israelis have been killed in palestinian attacks and this that time, 31 were killed by israeli fire including 14 labeled by israel as attackers. nbc's bill neely is in jerusalem for us this morning. a good day to you. on top of all of that total, there are three more palestinian deaths today. so what have you learned about these latest incidents? >> reporter: yes, good morning,
alex. three more attempted murders, stabbings this morning. three more palestinians dead. simply no letup in the violence. here in jerusalem, it was a 16-year-old who was stopped by police, asked to produce his i.d. card which he did and then he produced a knife. but before he could stab any of the police officers, he was shot dead. then in hebron as you say, two more incidents. the first one involving another teenager, aged 18, who tried to stab an israeli civilian on the street. that man had a gun and shot dead his assailant. then as you say a woman, palestinian woman, young woman, stabbed a police woman at a check point. that police woman shot and killed her attacker. so within the space of a few hours, three incidents. and also some pretty shocking images have emerged, photographs of a previous incident where a palestinian was shot at. just a warning, some of you may
find these photographs disturbing. it's about a palestinian dressed as a news photographer who is chasing an israeli soldier. he wrestles the soldier to the ground and stabs him before he himself is shot dead by other israeli soldiers. that injured soldier is recovering in the hospital. so there's no letup in this, it keeps going. very, very difficult for the police to stop or to predict where on earth the next attack is going to come from. alex? >> there's also the firebombing. this was at the tomb of the prophet joseph. it's been condemned by the palestinian president mahmoud abbas. this is a jewish religious shrine, and the continued occupation of palestinian area that's what to blame for the unrest. >> reporter: yes. that incident literally and inflammatory i wa
inflammatory i want department. this is revered by jews, revered by the jews, and it was badly damaged. it was condemned by the palestinian president mahmoud abbas. there is a determination to rebuild at joseph's tomb. but for abbas, there is a deeper story behind all of this. he has only made one statement so far and has not fully condemned this wave of stabbings because for him, there is a deeper cause behind all of this, which is of palestinian resentment of palestinian rage at more than 50 years of occupation. for him there is a reason for all of this. but he of course is coming under a great deal of pressure from outside -- from outside the palestinian territories, from outside israel, internationally to do more to calm things down and to publicly call for calm. alex? >> bill, where might all of this
be leading because there are many who are fearful we are seeing the birth of a third intefadeh. >> reporter: yes. that is a fear. remember the first two intefadehs, the first one lasted for six years. the second one for five in which a thousand israelis and more than 3,000 palestinians were killed. so obviously, statistically, we haven't reached anything like that seriousness yet. but these stabbings are happening every day. it's been two or three weeks now and the real fear is that they are gaining a momentum of their open. as i say, it is very difficult for the police to stop. many of these young people don't listen to leaders like mahmoud abbas. they are taking action by themselves. they are usually teenagers, three-quarters of them are from east jerusalem. they carry israeli i.d. cards which means they are free to move around. often they speak hebrew pretty
well. they are cheek by jowl with their israeli citizen neighbors. so trying to predict which one will pull out a knife and attack is difficult because they don't have criminal records and they're not attached to any terrorist organization. for israeli intelligence, very difficult for police, very difficult to stop and police have tried to do that by smothering this city with check points, with -- we have seen soldiers as well as police making it very difficult for ordinary palestinian ups to move around. and then increasing their resentment. that's a cycle growing here, alex, that's very dangerous. back to you. >> very, very challenging times. bill neely, thank you so much. the government has released new staggering new tolls on the financial toll of binge drinking. when something works,
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joining me to break at down, "usa today's" editor, regina mew lewis. i presume we're not talking about the high-c we all drank as kids. >> no, we're talking about "c" as in calories. alex, the stats are incredulous. these are flavored coffees in the fall made with whipped cream. and there's something called the pumpkin cheesecake flavored coffee. 1,100 calories. the equivalent of two big macs. i didn't know you could drink that many calories. burger king, it's a shake, has a pumpkin spice shake, it's 890. this has someone off camera saying i had one of these, the panera's signature hot chocolate, 610 calories. so the only good news here is that black coffee if you stick with that is two calories. >> you know, when you do the pumpkin spice lattes so famous at starbucks, get one pump.
sometimes it's too much. let's talk about the billions in hangovers. tell us about the cdc study on the cost of binge drinking. >> binge drinking is four or five drinks for women and it's costing $249 billion annually. big numbers. we talked about the hangover factor, $77 billion in lost worker productivity. $29 million in health related costs contributing to staggering stats across the board. the real price, 88,000 lives every year. the cdc did point out the figures are from 2006 to 2010, the height of the recession. their concern, people don't have ample coping strategies. >> how about the disappearing act here in the new york city taxis? what's that about? >> 14,000 new york city taxi cab, they had screens starting in 2007 that would play little promotions for shows, movies, advertising. those screens are going away.
turns out after high fares that was the second biggest consumer complaint. people didn't like the screens, sometimes they don't like anymore. swiping your credit card. so they're revisiting the in cab experience, remains to be seen what it looks and feels like. but you can pay with your smartphone, so you don't have to fumble for cash or for a credit card. >> i think everyone will like that, except advertisers. >> good call. they'll come up with something. president obama, one of the reasons he put the brakes on the draw down in afghanistan? that's next. and encouraging word about former nba star lamar odom and his struggle to survive. sound . let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? i would. i would indeed. well, let's be clear here. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] [laughs] no way! i have no financial experience at all. that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro, you just don't know.
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down tuesday afternoon. and nbc's scott cohn is in las vegas with the very latest. good day to you. any news on the latest condition? >> reporter: no, there is not. while we got the first bit of good news that odom was apparently responsive to his estranged wife khloe kardashian yet, uttered hello baby and went back to sleep, he suffered a stroke. he likely suffered brain damage, damage to his vital organs. so this former nba star is not ott of the woods by any means. this whole thing began one week ago when he checked into the love ranch here in nevada. seen on surveillance video touring the facility, having drinks at the bar. paid $75,000 for the five-day experience. then found tuesday afternoon in a suite, unconscious. rushed here to las vegas ultimately to sunrise hospital where the watch remains.
and meanwhile, as all of this plays out and everybody hangs on his every prognosis, one of the most public families in the world, the kardashians, is asking for privacy. suspending much of their media presence and trying to get the brothel owner to be quiet. he said he's defending lamar odom against the rumors of drug use. all that we know for certain is that he had been taking herbal sexual stimulants, and rumors about other things. the chemical tests not back yet, so we're waiting to see as day breaks here in las vegas how lamar odom would be doing. >> privacy would be a good thing. the family of a michigan teen fatally shot during a routine traffic stop is alleging wrong death and civil rights violation. rehema ellis has the story. >> reporter: the tragedy unfolded in just moments after a routine traffic stop.
>> how you doing? >> i need your driver's license, proof of registration. >> reporter: last february, devin gillford was pulled off by sergeant frost. the incident captured on the officer's body camera. >> i was going to crash. i had -- i could not see, you had your brights on, sir. i'm not lying. >> reporter: when he refused several requests for the documents the encounter escalated out of control. >> get your hands behind the back. >> officer -- >> get your hands behind your back! >> reporter: in the scuffle, sergeant frost first fires his stun gun. before firing seven shots that killed the unarmed teenager. the sergeant was treated for facial injuries. after an investigation, the county prosecutor decided not to file charges against frost. and determined that sergeant frost used his firearm within
the limits of michigan self-defense law. but this week, his parents filed a federal civil lawsuit against frost and eaton county, alleging devin's civil rights were violated. >> it would have been more appropriate for the facts to be brought in front of a jury to ultimately decide. >> reporter: friday, the sheriff's office responded saying they stood by the prosecutor's findings that sergeant frost responded reasonably under the belief that he faced the threat of great bodily harm or death. now once again, a court is asked to rule on questions surrounding the use of police force. rehema ellis, nbc news, new york. turning to the race for the white house, will this be the weekend vice president joe biden announces he wants to take his boss' job? let's get the latest now from nbc's kristen welker, joining us from the white house. good morning to you, my friend. what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, alex, that is the question everyone wants the know. look, vice president biden is waking up in delaware in morning. he's under intense pressure to
make a decision about whether he's in or out. sources close to the vp tell me a decision could come within the next 48 hours. with democrats growing increasingly anxious, it's decision time for vice president joe biden. today, he's tucked away at his home in delaware, deliberating. >> there's more evidence he's looking seriously at getting in. >> reporter: sources close to the vice president say his family is on board with a run. and now he's calling supporters in early voting states to gauge whether he has a path to winning. on friday, president obama declined to weigh in. >> i don't have to share my views about that right now. because i think it's important for the american people to make up their own decision. >> reporter: also ted kauffman sent a letter out, saying if he decides to run, we will need each and every one of you yesterday. the letter designed to send a signal. biden wants space to decide and the door hasn't closed yet, but hillary clinton's top supporters
are applying pressure. arguing it's too late. >> i don't see that we're lacking anything in the field. you know what i'm saying? i think the field is a good field and i don't see that there's a space. >> reporter: clinton showed new signs of strength this week after her dominant debate performance. one poll shows her inching up in new hampshire and in an nbc poll, clinton has a double digit lead and she said the vice president should decide in his own time. >> there comes a point that a decision has to be made, but i'm not in any way suggesting or recommending that the vice president accept any timetable other than the one that is clicking inside of him. he has to make this decision. >> reporter: some of the reasons biden is likely struggling with this decision -- he's always wanted to be president. he knows this would be his last shot. plus, his late son beau urged him to run before passing. but those who know him say the main determining factor right now is whether biden thinks he can win.
alex? >> okay. that sounds like a good way to approach it. but kristen, let me ask you about the things that are happening in showdown between hillary clinton and the benghazi committee. >> reporter: she's going to testify on thursday and that's the big final test this month. it will touch on the attack, but also her e-mail controversy likely. it comes on the heels of her top aide huma abedin testifying eight hours on friday. take a listen to what she said. >> i came here today to be as helpful as i could be to the committee. i wanted to honor the service of those lost and injured in the benghazi attacks. i'm proud to have served at the state department and i was honored to work for secretary clinton alongside distinguished diplomats and foreign service officers. >> reporter: lawmakers said abedin was asked about clinton's e-mails but only to the extent
that they pertained to benghazi. she has worked with clinton since they was the first lady. she's the latest clinton aide to testify and alex, as you know, these have become a bit of a political problem for the front-runner, but cently the campaign has tried to discredit the proceedings amid allegations that it's a witch-hunt. clinton is hoping to turn the page on benghazi and her e-mails when she testifies next week. i know she'll spend several days preparing and she's taking it very seriously. >> kristen welker at the white house, thank you. the longest war in u.s. history is getting longer indefinitely. president obama announced that the planned drawdown in afghanistan is scaled back as violence there surges. there are currently 9,800 troops in afghanistan. now, the original plan called for 1,000 troops to remain after 2016 to defend the u.s. embassy in kabul. there will now be 5,500 troops
spread across three bases. >> afghanistan remains dangerous. 25 brave americans have given their lives there this year. i do not send you into harm's way lightly. it's the most solemn decision i make, but as your commander in chief i believe this mission is vital to our national security interests in preventing terrorist attacks against our citizens and our nation. >> joining me now is "washington post" military reporter greg jaffe. welcome to you. what led to this decision? did it have a lot to do with kunduz? >> i think it predated kunduz. they have been talking about it since the spring so what led to it is general dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff retired and he came to the president with a plan with them focused on terrorism.
i think kunduz helped to accelerate the process at the end possibly. >> the president has reiterated that the u.s. has two narrow missions, training the afghani army and countering the up oraces. is that happening on the ground? >> i think in broad strokes it's the reality. those are subject to kind of open -- or to interpretation i guess is the right word. you know, u.s. troops have particularly up in kunduz have come to the afghans' aid when they have been overrun or in a tough spot. that doesn't mean they're in combat. we're not seeing companies or battalions, but small forces of special forces advisers who are helping to provide advice to those afghan troops on the ground. not direct combat but dangerous. >> where does the pentagon leadership want troop levels? is it at all different than what the president is calling for? >> you know, josh earnest the white house spokesman said that the president essentially took the highest level of troops that he was given, the highest level
option that he was given. general allen, this was a couple of years ago recommended an enduring presence of i think, 13,800 that came out -- that was a couple years ago. you know, 10,000, 9,800 i think that's a level that the military is pretty comfortable. >> so the president said he's in o -- he's not going to allow it to be allowed as safe haven for terrori terrorists. what does it do to the taliban and the government? >> i think the main cause of violence and instability is unquestionably the taliban. who don't really pose a threat or don't pose any threat to the u.s. home land. but you do start to see islamic state looking for a foothold in the place. you see it potentially a re-emergence of al qaeda. there was an operation with 63 u.s. air strikes a week or ten days ago. and the military was saying those were aimed at al qaeda
aligned forces. so whether they're -- how al qaeda they actually are is a question. but that's what the military is saying. >> so greg, look, we have now seen iraq and afghanistan war being over, so how has that affected the military strategy? >> you know, i think it's forced the military -- this arguably may be a good thing. it's forced the military to sort of step back and figure out how can we support afghan and iraqi force, how can we make them do the fighting? i think part of the -- what we have learned from the last decade if we do too much they tend to fall back and it's not sustainable. in some ways this is messy, it's ugly. you see big setbacks. but at least the afghan and iraqi forces in both of the battles are in the lead. they're the ones doing the fighting and taking the vast majority of the casualties. >> as the president was leaving the podium on thursday he was
asked if this was disappointing to him. what do you think this means for his war legacy? >> you know, i think he's -- i mean, he can't say he's disappointed, right, he's the commander in chief. so he has to project a certain amount of confidence. i think it's got to be disappointing to him. i think he -- you know, as he also said in the press conference he's not a believer in endless war. gosh, 14 years is starting to feel a little endless, isn't it? so, you know, i'm sure he's disappointed. he would like to wrap it up, t but, you know, the counterargument is that, you know, we have had troops in korea still today, we have troops in kosovo. stabilizing places takes a lot longer than the initial operations. so this is -- what you have to expect if you're going to get involved in these kinds of military operations. >> all right. greg jaffe from "the washington post." thanks. appreciate it. >> thank you. two of the legendary teams will square off on the diamond and continue their remarkable
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so game 1 is tonight in the race for the world series. down to the final four teams. two from the american league, two from the national league, but it's the match-up in the nation league between the cubs and the mets that have so many people talking. and joining me now nbc's ron mott who is outside citi field in new york. what are the fans all saying? >> reporter: hey, there, alex, good morning. they'll tell how the mets and the cubs have been victimized through a run of mostly bad luck and now one is four wins away from getting back to the world series. these fans are also saying it's about time. for fans of the chicago cubs and new york mets, good things have not come with a long wait for baseball glory. >> i have the privilege and pleasure of introducing the world champion mets to you. >> reporter: it's been 29 years since they celebrated in queens. 1908 the last time for wrigley's faithful. both hoping to break a string of
boo-boos as halloween nears but only one gets the treat of playing for it all. 70 years ago in chicago, bar owner showed up to root for the home team but he was turned away. his problem -- billy goat cast a brooding curse on the club, swearing they'd never win again. >> chicago cubs doing what they do best. >> reporter: and they haven't. a black cat in '69 derailed that season. a cubs fan scorned in '03 for taking away a much needed out just five outs from the world series. >> why do things always seem to fall at the most critical time? why are people's hearts broken over and over again? better to blame a goat. >> reporter: at the famed billy goat tavern, there's hope. over the cubs' talented young roster. >> the curse is over. the young guys have proved it. >> reporter: while their suffering isn't as long, fans of the amazings have seen little of that for a generation.
longer if not for this gem in '86. >> buckner. and the mets win it! >> reporter: they have played second fiddle to the yankees who beat them in the world series 15 years ago. even the team's owners ran into some costly bad luck called bernie madoff. 2015 can wipe away years of pain, if only disappointment doesn't interfere. all right. so the first two games of this series will be played here at citi field in queens. the series will switch out to wrigley field starting tuesday. obviously one of teams is guaranteed to make it into the world series. as for the other, their fans will have another year to wonder whether they are indeed truly cursed. alex? >> yeah, well, since my dodgers got knocked out i'm trying to figure out who to root for. i'll be run out of the studio if i don't choose the mets. >> reporter: you can root for my kansas city royals who won last night. >> i could, but i don't think i will. thank you very much, ron mott.
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in health news, minimxed re to expected new dietary guidelines and that's whether some saturated fats should be in the cross hairs. the proposal calls for a diet moderate in low fat dairy products and low in red and processed meat. however, questions are now being raised about the agency's policy advising people to avoid full fat dairy products like whole milk. when recent studies suggest it is beneficial. joining me, dr. natalie azar. good to see you. >> good morning, alex. >> shouldn't the usda be making these guidelines when, you know, when all is said and done, are there conclusive for sure, for sure results in any of these tests? >> no. and alex, that's the important
message here, a message that clearly came from both secretary vilsack and burwell, these guidelines are not meant to be the final word on nutrition. they are simply that they are guidelines. they use the best available evidence, the best science-based in information that they can to inform their decision-making. as they state themselves, in their defense, science is evolving and the guidelines are evolving to sort of meet that demand. >> how surprised are you that there are the guidelines that suggest full fat milk, for example, dairy products, will help reduce heart disease. >> there say lot of muddy waters here. one debate is about whether milk at all is good for you. the other debate is about whole milk and saturated fat and the other debate is whether the usda should be make the guidelines anyway or weighing in on them. the literature is definitely mixed. i think i personally would side with the american heart association that would say that saturated fats, which is what we're talking about, are not
necessarily heart healthy. and a lot of the studies that suggested that the low fat diets didn't improve heart outcomes was because people substituted saturated fat for carbohydrate. we know that's not good. i think what is important to the take home message is not all fats are bad. you want to have polyunsaturated fats, you want to have monounsaturated fats. those are good. the bad fats are the trans fats. saturated fats probably go in the middle. if it is me and i have a choice between a whole milk, you know, full glass of whole milk versus low fat or skim, i'm going to take the low fat or skim because i get less calories, still get the nutritional value and less saturated fat. to me, the history -- the literature bears up that saturated fat might be more a risk factor for cardiovascular disease. there are people out there who say that's not true. >> so the last time the usda was updating the dietary guidelines, it had 2,000 public comments. 2,000. this time they got nearly 30,000 public comments this time around. so you add to the outcry from
the industry groups most impacted. do you think the usda gets pressured to change the way they value science. is it outdated, the food industry? >> i don't think they can be immune to lobbyists and interest groups like any other federal organization, i don't think they can. but, again, i feel a lot of doctors groups have come out in support of what they do and say that they are trying to do their best and using best science to make their recommendations. the court of public opinion as we all know and by the way, since 2010 to 2015, social media, you know, i'm not surprised we have that much more responsiveness at all. >> how about supplements? what is the latest on that? >> another territory hard to weigh into. this was interesting. from the new england journal of medicine. article that reported last week that said 23,000 hospital -- or er visits are due to supplements. putting that number, i'm not a friend or foe of the industry, but putting that number into per
spective with the millions of users of supplements, that represents less than 1% of supplement users that end up in the er. people who use prescription drugs can end up in the emergency room as well. i think my stance on supplements is this, the fda doesn't have a significant authority over them. the supplement act of 1994 really didn't give the fda that much control. the supplement makers are responsible to put forth what they consider a not dangerous product, but they are not allowed to make health claims about it. in terms of policing it, the fda doesn't have a lot of authority. frankly the supplement -- the sheer number of supplements is so great, they just can't police it. i think the way we would like them to be able to, the way they can with prescription drugs. >> okay. >> it is a whole -- >> yeah. >> just the beginning. i could go on for hours. >> i would pay good money for your advice. i'm glad we get it free across the table. thank you so much. be sure to join me for a two
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