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turn to roc® retinol correxion®. one week, fine lines appear to fade. one month, deep wrinkles look smoother. after one year, skin looks ageless. high performance skincare™ only from roc®. this sunday morning, a new sense of urgency in/5e presidential race. on one side, hillary &0ñclinton strong debate performance ups the pressure on joe biden and whether he gets in. on the other, trump and carson are sitting on top, but is ted cruz about to have his moment? >> if you're looking far candidate who the career politicians in washington will embrace, i'm not your guy. >> my sit-down with the senator from texas. also, showdown over benghazi. hillary clinton prepares to testify befor??p benghazi committee. but has the committee been discredited even before the hearing starts. plus, did donald trump just blue jay george w. bush for
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9/11? >> blame him or don't blame him but:mx he was president. >> or is jeb bush desperately looking to pick a fight with trump? finally, the bernie sanders impersonation we've all been waiting for. >> hello, hello, hello, enough with the hellos, let's do this. joining me to provide we are back. insight and analysis are the however much hillary clinton may have helped herself at tuesday's nation"national journal's" ron fournier, nbc mitchell of nbc debate, the main event this news, amy walter of the cook month will be her appearance on political report and republican capitol hill before the house benghazi committee this thursday. both sides are attempting to strategist alex castellanos. work the refs ahead of time. here's part of an online video welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." the clinton campaign released in an attempt to discredit the committee. good sunday morning. if you get the feeling that there's a new sense of urgency in this presidential campaign, well, you're right. >> and here's an excerpt of a on the democratic side, hillary clinton's strong performance in highly controversy anti-clinton the las vegas debate on tuesday ad that ran during the first has led to calls for the vice president to say thumbs up or democratic presidential debate. thumbs down now. >> dear hillary clinton, i'd on the republican side, rand like to ask you why you ignored paul and chris christie are proving they may be pretenders. calls for help in business and
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jeb bush and marco rubio are then four americans were both struggling and pointing the murdered. finger at the other and a number but, mrs. clinton, i can't. of other candidates soon may not what difference does it make? even be able to pay their bills. so if you don't think the >> we're going to hear from both leaders -- donald trump and ben sides of the aisle in just a moment on what likely will be carson -- are in this for the long haul, then the conservative the most important day of hillary clinton's campaign so you may want to look at is our far. next guest. ted cruz was the only other here's a little healthy advice. candidate in double digits in this week's fox news poll and he looks like the candidate most likely to pick up trump and carson supporters if -- and eat well, that's a big if -- they do live well, eventually stray. and take of what makes you, plus, cruz is raising lots of you. right down to your skin with aveeno® money, not spending much, and he aveeno® daily moisturizing lotion has men aplenty of cash on hand. with the goodness of active naturals® oat i caught up with him in new and 5 vital nutrients for healthier looking skin in hampshire and asked him how he plans to eventually pick off the just one day. healthy skin equals beautiful skin. trump and carson voters. >> i think donald trump's and for shower softness, add the body wash, too! campaign has been immensely beneficial for our campaign. aveeno® naturally beautiful results® and the reason is he's framed the central issue of this republican primary as who will stand up to washington. the great beauty of owning a property is that you can create wealth through capital appreciation, well, the natural follow-up if that's the question is who and this has been denied to many south africans for generations. actually has stood up to
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washington. who has stood up to both democrats and to leaders in this is an opportunity to right that wrong. their open party. >> you think that distinguishes you from donald trump and ben carson? >> and from everyone else on that stage. the idea was to bring capital into the affordable housing space in south africa, i think my record is markedly different in terms of actually standing up and taking on the washington cartel. and that's why we're seeing, with a fund that offers families of modest income safe and good accommodation. particularly as voters get more and more educated, study the citi got involved very early on and showed an enormous commitment. candidate, listen to the candidates in person, i think that's why we're seeing the and that gave other investors confidence. grass-roots momentum that we're citi's really unique, seeing. >> if you were sitting there because they bring deep understanding of what's happening in africa. staying that you could stop obamacare if you just did what i really believe we only live once, you did and shut down the and so you need to take an idea that you have and go for it. government and that republicans could stop the iran deal, the fact is, you couldn't. the numbers weren't on your side. you have the opportunity to say, there's a democratic president. "i've been part of the creation of over 27,000 units of housing," so did you overpromise? i understand you're saying others, but didn't you? >> look, when it comes to and to replicate this across the entire african continent. promising, what i promised is that i would fight with every breath in my body to stop the out-of-control spending, the debt that is bankrupting our country, stop obamacare, to protect our nation and all of it's gotten squarer. over the years. those are promises that i have honored every single day in the brighter. bigger. senate. and you know, it's amazing, so i
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was visiting with a colleague it's gotten thinner. recently who was making that pitch about, well, gosh, the even curvier. problem is expectations, we need but what's next? to define expectations. >> correct. for all binge watchers. a bunch of republicans have been saying this and they blame you. >> it's complete nonsense. movie geeks. you know who the people sports freaks. promising are? it's republican leadership when x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. they campaign. why do you think john boehner is stepping down? he's stepping down because the american people are furious with republican leaders that don't do what they promised. and it's interesting, i do town halls all over the country and i asked folks, okay, we have republican majorities in both houses for ten months now. what on earth are they accomplished? every town hall you do the answer is always "absolutely nothing." and usually i respond and say, you know what? it's worse than, that it could have been better if it were nothing. in fact, what the republican majorities have done, we came back right after the last election, passed a trillion dollar bill filled with corporate welfare then republican leadership and leadership joined with harry reid and the democrats to do that. then leadership voted to fund
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obamacare. then they voted to fund amnesty. then they voted to fund planned parenthood and then republican leadership took the lead confirming loretta lynch as attorney general. chuck, which one of those decisions is one iota different welcome back. with the possible exception of than what would have happened the debates, no moment of the under harry reid and the campaign has been more highly democrats? the truth of the matter is anticipated than this thursday when hillary clinton testifies republican leadership are the most effective democrat leaders before the house select benghazi committee. we've ever seen. they've passed more democratic and make no mistake -- one way or the other this is about the campaign. priorities than harry reid ever republicans say they want to get could. >> so john boehner is leaving. to the bottom of the attacks in should mitch mcconnell leave? >> look, that's a question for benghazi in 2012 on that the republican conference to make. >> you're a member of the republican conference. september 11th day when four >> what i have said -- americans were killed. >> have you called -- why don't democrats say the committee is a partisan effort designed to you challenge him? discredit clinton by focusing why don't you call for him to just on her e-mails. step down? either way, it could be a >> what i have said repeatedly turning point in the race for 2016. chuck, both publicly and privately -- and when i say >> i will do my best to answer publicly and privately, that's the same thing -- we need their questions, but i don't leaders who will honor the really foe what their objective is right now. promises that men and women have >> hillary clinton is trading made to us. one stage for another. >> if you're glad john boehner >> any reaction to the benghazi is leaving, how come you don't ads? call out mitch mcconnell? >> listen, at the end of the >> not since president gerald
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ford defended his pardon of day -- >> he is your leader. >> at the end of the day it richard nixon -- >> the purpose was to change our national focus. depends on where the votes are >> -- has an active presidential in the conference. mitch has the votes to remain as candidate had so much on the line in an appearance before majority leader. congress. >> i'm going to read you quotes from your fellow republicans. but clinton can now quote house republicans when she tries to senator lamar alexander said argue that questions about her this about you. handling of the 2012 benghazi "in kindergarten you learn to attack that left four americans work well together and play by dead are now nothing more than a the rules. another thing you learn in political witch-hunt. kindergarten is to respect one >> this whole effort was set up another." senator orrin hatch "squabbling for political partisan purposes. and sanctimony have no place we now know to politically in a partisan way go after me. among colleagues in the u.s. senate." basically an arm of the republican national committee. john mccain, "i would never a partisan arm of the republican contemplate going to the floor national committee. of the senate impugning the >> it was house majority leader integrity of another senator. kevin mccarthy who gave clinton just not what we do here." her first assist last month. and, of course, speaker boehner >> everybody thought hillary called you a false prophet and clinton was unbeatable, right? another word i won't say on sunday morning television. but we put together a benghazi special committee, a select how do you lead a republican committee. what are her numbers today? party when orrin hatch, lamar her numbers are dropping. alexander, john mccain, john boehner, these are >> this week an assist from another republican lawmaker. well-respected men, think this >> this may not be politically lowly of you.
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>> listen, if you're looking for correct, but i think there is a a candidate who the career big part of this investigation politicians in washington will that was designed to go after embrace, i'm not your guy. people and an individual, hillary clinton. washington's broken. people are frustrated out of >> the committee's republican chairman trey gowdy tried to their minds. every one in the republican primary is standing up saying "vote for me because i will clean up this mess with a stand up and fight washington." 279-word statement saying that "commentators and sometimes even two weeks ago we had an epic members of your own conference knock down drag out fight on offer thoughts on matters on exactly this. which they are not familiar." millions of conservatives rose >> if they don't focus on the words that people who are not on up, said "defund planned the committee use, focus on the actions of those of us who have parenthood." i was proud to lead that fight. been on the committee. >> on top of all that, a former and where were the other republican committee staffer, candidates? it was like they were in the air force reserve major bradley witness protection plan. can you imagine how different that fight would have played out if all 11 republican presidential candidates has descended on washington and said politska is adding fuel to the fire, claiming he was fired in one voice "mitch mcconnell and john boehner, don't send $500 million of taxpayer funds after the octoberive turned to hillary clinton. to planned parenthood." >> you know, there's another way >> i was trying to conduct a thorough non-partisan investigation. to look at this, senator cruz, >> a statement from the which is you stood up on committee says those are false and he was terminated for cause. obamacare, you stood up on planned parenthood, you stood up on immigration and nobody now the committee, which house speaker john boehner never wanted -- followed you. >> well, that's not true. >> i see no reason to break up
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>> i'm saying nobody in the work that's been done and take months and months and washington follows you. if you get elected president, months to create some select committee. you have to get somebody to >> -- but agreed to under duress follow your lead in washington, to pacify conservatives is itself under scrutiny. whether you like it or not. >> listen, at the end of the day, it's not about read i'm joined now by two members of leadership. and by the way, in each of those fights, every time we've had a battle between me and leadership with the republican caucus, about half of the caucus has been with me, about half of the caucus has been with leadership. the committee, republican mike at the end of the day, if you're pompeo of kansas, republican and democrat adam schiff. looking for someone who's congressman pompeo, this has running to be a member of the been a tough ten days for the credibility of your committee club, that's not me. thanks to the mccarthy statements and hanna statements. do you feel as if the it's interesting, you were committee's credibility is under reading all the attacks. investigation? i mentioned my book, my book i quote all of the nasty things >> chuck, this isn't about the committee, this is about the republicans have said about me. american people. we've been working since may of 2014 to get them the answers. and you know in response to that i don't reciprocate, much of the there are four americans that were killed. our first ambassador murdered annoyance of many in the media since 1979. we're going to -- this week who want me to attack donald we'll speak with former secretary clinton, we've conducted dozens and dozens of interviews. we will ask her the same kind of trump or john boehner or mitch fact-centric questions we've asked other witnesses. mcconnell. >> you called mitch mcconnell a we have an obligation to hold folks accountable and make sure we reduce the risk that liar. that's a tough thing to say on the senate floor. something like this could ever >> let's be clear what i said. i stood up and said mitch
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mcconnell made the following possibly happen again. promise directly to me looking >> one of the questions i have me in the eye to every is what's taking so long? republican senator and did it publicly and a month later his i say this because the benghazi committee is longer than behavior was exactly 180 degrees watergate, longer than to the opposite. this is how broken washington is. listen, the fact that he told a iran-contra, other events. i think we have a whole thing on falsehood is a matter of public screen here about how many different select committees took record. he stated it publicly, then he less time, including the warren commission. why is this taking so long? behaved exactly the opposite. and washington is so broken that >> you mentioned watergate. they treat someone saying the mr. schiff actually compared this committee to watergate in a republican leader just did "new york times" op-ed. but this is worse in some ways. exactly the opposite of what he right? secretary clinton tried to hide promised he would do that every one of her e-mails, she apparently the troublemaker is the person saying it rather than destroyed 30,000 of them, and now we have an fbi investigation of those very e-mails. the person telling the lie. what's taken us so long is that the democrats on the committee that's what's broken about and this administration have washington. when i tell you i'm going to do something, chuck, i'm going to played hide the ball and have do exactly what i said i'm going denied us records the american people deserve and that our to do. >> i want to say two more committee needs to complete our investigation. things. paul ryan, a true conservative? we would have been happy to move >> listen, i like paul ryan, more quickly, but we've met with he's a friend of mine. obstruction all along the way. >> before i get to congressman schiff, one more question for this is obviously a question you. that is wrapped up in the you talk about all the different witnesses you've called. why haven't you called the speaker of the house deliberations. following witnesses: general i have said consistently i'll stay out of that. carter hamm, samantha power in the white house now and an
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>> but is he a true ambassador to the u.n. conservative? >> that's a decision for the you could have called her. the former cia director at the house republicans to make. time, general petraeus, he >> mark levin, who you joked and hasn't been called. former defense secretary leon said i want mark levin as a panetta wasn't called. why haven't these people been called before your committee if speaker. this is about benghazi? >> he's definitely a true conservative. they were all there at the time. >> so you'll say that but you >> chuck, we're not done. won't say -- he doesn't think you may think this investigation paul ryan is. ends on thursday, but let me he doesn't like his stance on the debt limit and tarp. assure you that it does not. we began in may and we are going >> i have said consistently to continue. throughout that the question of this on thursday is just one house leadership the question of more step along the way. house republican conference. >> i want to move to foreign we may well call many of the policy, afghanistan decision by folks that you identified there. we still have many witness, many the president. in favor of it? >> well, listen, it's a recognition that what the documents that we haven't seen. president has been saying for as recently as last thursday we received christopher steven's years, that al qaeda is e-mails. how on earth could other decimated, was never true. committees have worked that it was political spin. effectively when they didn't even have those e-mails? the reality is we live in an incredibly dangerous world and we don't have them. sadly the failures of the no thanks to the democrats on the committee who opposed us all along the way. obama/clinton foreign policy have made the dangers great. >> congressman schiff, when you joined the committee you said >> if you become president you were willing to look at this you'll keep this policy in place of keeping those troops in in the big picture. you have accused the republicans of not take it seriously. afghanistan? >> it will depend on the it's in your power. if you don't think they're taking it seriously, why haven't mission. i don't believe we should be you come up with a witness list? engaged in nation building. i don't believe we should be
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trying to transform foreign countries into democratic why haven't you decided, you utopias, trying to turn iraq know what, i don't like what they're doing? into switzerland. but i do think it is the job of our military to protect this if you think the investigation country. needs to go in a more serious to hunt down and kill jihadists who would murder us. direction, you can do it, and >> syria. you haven't done it. >> chuck, i have and i've tried. in fact, the first two hearings priority, assad out of power or this committee had were hearings i proposed to look at the arb isis? >> isis, isis, isis. recommendations and how they're implemented. i requested ways we could speed >> so basically table the assad up document production which were rejected. discussion? we requested witnesses to come >> look, we have no business sticking our nose in that civil before the committee and you know what they did? war. and there are a lot of they interviewed these witnesses politicians, including hillary clinton on the left and without telling us because when including quite a few of the they did interview the witnesses they didn't corroborate the republicans running for republican conspiracy theories. president on the right, who want us to get into the middle of the reasons, to answer your question, chuck, about why we that civil war. haven't brought in the defense secretary as they said they >> so you're no on the no-fly would, why we haven't brought in zones, none of that stuff? the cia director or any of these stick to just isis? witnesses for a hearing is would you work with the because they're not running for president. russians? when richard hanna -- >> couldn't you have asked for if they are helping with isis, would you help? this? >> of course we shouldn't don't you have power? partner with the russians. look, this is a great example of the utter failure of the >> we could ask for it. no, we don't. we don't. >> and you can't bring these obama/clinton foreign policy. this void in power has let putin people in? you can't invite them yourself? >> we can't set up a hearing, we step in there. can't issue a subpoena. there are a couple hundred we can't even vote on a subpoena. cubans right now a major cuban chuck, we asked the republicans
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general fighting in the syrian at the beginning, let's civil war. establish rules for the you've got iran, you've got committee. let's establish rules so we can general suleimanny in bed with vote on subpoenas. you can have the majority vote, the russians so you now have whatever. they wouldn't even establish rules. russia, cuba and iran all arm in why? they want to run this the way they want it. arm and anyone who believes they want to be able to go after secretary clinton. russia is fighting against >> but hang on, isn't -- aren't terrorism, i've got to a bridge they justified in the fact that to sell them. if it wasn't for the benghazi >> they're propping up assad but committee we would haven't known you said you're okay with that. about this private server. we would haven't known about >> i don't think we should prop these e-mails, and it does look up assad, either. like somebody is at least trying to make it harder to get information. but here's the problem. isn't that the point? you have people who view foreign policy -- you look at some of the republican, for example, who >> no, the point is what do we supported hillary clinton's know about benghazi that we disastrous libya policy. didn't know when this investigation started? toppling qaddafi? qaddafi was a bad guy but you what can we tell the families? know what? what can we tell the american libya is an absolute chaos and people about these core war zone where jihadists are battling back and forth and conspiracy allegations, that here's, chuck, the way we should there was a standdown order or answer -- that there was a gun running or >> would the middle east be more that the secretary interfered stable today if you had the with security and the fact is, strong men? >> of course it would. of course it would. >> qaddafi, saddam, assad? chuck, after 17 months, $4.5 if they're strong men, they keep million, we have nothing new to stability? tell the families. >> it wasn't even close that apart from that there was a libya under qaddafi was better private e-mail server. that doesn't tell us anything about benghazi. for u.s. interests than the and let me say this, too, when richard hanna talks about what
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chaos now than that is allowing the republican conference views jihadist to gain strength. this investigation, he can speak >> what about iraq under saddam? to the view of the conference, but when kevin mccarthy, who's >> it wasn't even close. >> do you think iraq would be part of the leadership, talks more stable today under a about the motivation to go after strongman like saddam? clinton, he is part of the >> based on what we know now leadership, he is in the room when the committee is formed. should we have gone into iraq? of course not. it was based on the belief they had weapons of mass destruction and finally, it's not just what that they would use against us. these people outside the committee are saying. >> you are a believer in using but when a republican the debt limit for leverage. whistle-blower is saying this is how they're executing the what do you want republican strategy to go after clinton and leadership to do with the debt we see that execution when these hearings you mentioned with the limit? >> what i'd like to see on the defense secretary, when the cia democrat limit is republican director, with samantha powers, leaders fight for something. they're all canceled, when the for pete's sakes, anything. only hearing we have is with are there a lot of reports right now that john boehner before he secretary clinton, it shows the steps down as speaker intends to committee is doing exactly what cut a deal with nancy pelosi to these republicans are saying. raise the debt ceiling and to fund all of obama's agenda. >> and what would what will you? >> i'm sorry. you wanted to chime in, go ahead and then ron fournier wants to >> for the next year and a half ask a question. >> facts matter. what mr. schiff said is false. the democrats haven't asked for he's got the votes. >> isn't that how democracy a single witness. works? he's got the votes? i've ask him to name the witness that he wrote us a letter and i mean, this is how it works. ask for that witness. >> you're right. not a single interview has been and if he does it he will be the most effective democratic leader conducted without democrats or democrat staff participating. in modern times. >> that's just not true, mike. >> there's a lot more to my that's just not true. >> the fbi will sort out the interview with ted cruz.
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you can see the complete interview on our web site, "meet server. we'll see if she violated the espionage act. our task is to solve the riddle the press" nbc.com. of the four americans killed. >> ron. coming up, not one but two >> congressman pompeo, your party promised to run a non-partisan non-witch-hunt republicans have said the benghazi committee hearing was campaign. that's been proven to be false. inspired to hurt hillary does your makeup remover take it all off? congressman schiff, your party every kiss-proof, candidate promised us what she cry-proof, stay-proof look? did with her e-mails was above board and didn't jeopardize or potentially compromise u.s. neutrogena® makeup remover does. secrets. we know that is false. it erases 99% of your most stubborn makeup what is either party going to try to do to restore some with one towelette. need any more proof than that? modicum of credibility to a neutrogena. system that should be based on when you do business everywhere, trust? both of you have been lying to the challenges of keeping everyone working together us. >> with reality to the can quickly become the only thing you think about. committee, it's too late. there's too much water under the bridge. >> no, in respect to secretary clinton and in your party when are you need to stop pretending what she did was above board and when are you going to stop that's where at&t can help. pretending she didn't -- >> the secretary has been the first to admit the use of a at&t has the tools and the network you need, private server was a mistake. to make working as one easier than ever. virtually anywhere. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. >> she says it was above board, though, she said it was above board. you think it's violated policy? >> that is the job of the republican national committee to go after her and the democratic party committee, they can go after jeb bush for his use of a
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personal server. the artificial heart, this ielectric guitarsdoers, that's not our job. and rockets to the moon. >> you think her e-mail server it's the story of america- land of the doers. violated federal policy? yes or no? doin' it. did it. done. doers built this country. the dams and the railroads. ♪john henry was a steel drivin' man♪ >> i think what she did was lawful at the time and a mistake. hmm, catchy. >> was it against federal rules. they built the golden gates and the empire states. it clearly was to anybody reading the rules. and all this doin' takes energy -no matter who's doin'. was it to you? >> the rules allowed her to use there's all kinds of doin' up in here. a private server as long as she or what they're doin'. preserved her e-mails, which she did. what the heck's he doin? was it desirable? no. energy got us here. and it's our job to make sure there's enough it wasn't. i think she's recognized that. to keep doers doin' the stuff doers do... >> what about the witch-hunt? you promised it would not be a to keep us all doin' what we do. partisan committee, but your party is admitting it was partisan. >> i couldn't disagree with you more. i think folks will see that on thursday, and i think they'll see in the the final report as well. they'll see chairman gowdy and our committee has run a fact-centric effort to do the mission, to hold someone accountable for what happened -- >> congressman, how long for this final report? is it going to be in the middle of 2016? is it going to be after the election? >> that's a great question, andrea. maybe mr. schiff can answer that for you. we'll complete our task -- >> let me just follow up -- >> the reason there's no question is that we don't know what we're looking for. we can't put an end date on it because we don't know what this committee is supposed to look
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for. apart from damaging hillary clinton, it has no reason for existence. >> if the reason for existence is to find out did hillary clinton -- did hillary clinton make a grievous error in not following up security complaints, how could she tell the various investigating committees that that was below her, that it never reached her level? that could be a legitimate reason. but why, then, do you call sid blumenthal and houma abedin and all of these other personal aides and non-aides? why have you focused so much on e-mails and not on the central question of why was the security failure at that consulate? >> well, we have focused on the central failure. we have focused on the security issues, and you'll see lots of questions about that on thursday. let me speak to mr. blumenthal. it goes directly to the security issue. we see now the former secretary relied on mr. blumenthal for most of her intelligence. she was relying -- >> that is factually not correct. >> that is correct. >> relied on mr. blumenthal for most of her intelligence? >> ms. mitchell, look at the e-mails trails. you will see.
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>> i cover the state department. that is factually not correct. i'm as tough on this issue as anyone. >> alex, quickly. >> since this is about benghazi and four lives that were lost under hillary clinton's watch, what should she have done to prevent the loss of those four lives? what should she have done before and when they actually were threatened? should she have done more? >> let me talk to before. the arb from tanzania made it very clear that the secretary of state was supposed to personally review security at high-threat areas. that is not hand it down to a deputy or an undersecretary or anyone else. that arb in the late 1990s said the secretary of state, himself or herself, was supposed to take responsibility and personally review those security plans. it appears she did not do that. so if you ask what could she have done, that would be a good start. >> we knew that a year or two ago. >> look at the arb on benghazi, not the one that took place 20 years ago. the arb on benghazi, a non-partisan investigation,
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decided that the chain of command in terms of security at the embassies and consular facilities did not rise to the secretary of state. that the secretary of state was not involved in the micromanagement of security. >> shouldn't she have been? why wasn't she? >> i don't know that we want the secretary of state making security decisions at particular facilities around the world. that's a big job, secretary of state, and i don't know that we want her micromanaging security. >> if the secretary of state is not responsible for the security of the facility, what is it that they do? >> they are responsible overall and the secretary of state has said she is responsible overall. but let me address the blumenthal allegations because -- >> are you going to ask why she didn't call for help that night? >> this is very important. the way this committee has operated is by leak of damaging information with only one objective and that is all the leaks have a common denominator. all of the leaks are designed to hurt secretary clinton. they generate a news story as recently as the one about mr. blumenthal and then within the last 24 to 48 hours the cia informs us that, not
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withstanding the chairman's 13-page letter alleging a damaging leak of a cia source, the cia has now informed us there was nothing classified in this last. >> you want to name that source this morning on the air? would you like to name that source? >> the cia said that source's name is not classified. >> put the name on national tv. >> i'm going to pause it there. congressman pompeo, you said you will run for speaker if paul ryan does not. ted williams wouldn't call paul ryan a true serve. will you? >> absolutely. >> if he runs you'll support him? >> that is correct. >> congressman pompeo, congressman schiff, you guys will become more famous to the american public on thursday. we will look forward to what i guess will be a spirited day. back in a moment, does joe biden need to get in now or does she are more time to wait. and later, was that bernie sanders or larry david on snl last night. >> how are you? >> i'm good. [ laughter ] i'm hungry, but i'm good. and now, if you don't mind, i'm gonna dial it right up to a 10.
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welcome back, it's nerdscreen time and we decided to do a little something different with nerdscreen. no data. we wanted to not just tell you how different the two parties are, we wanted to show you how different they are by looking at the first two debates and
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putting together a couple of word clouds. this is the first republican debate. look at the most-mentioned items and issues. president obama, hillary clinton, the dominant personalities but look at the issues -- iran, isis, mentioned more than 20 times during that debate. immigration, the border a combined 46 times at the debate. you see other stuff, taxes got a lot of mention there. a little bit on small business, iraq a tiny bit. but those were the main issues. even planned parenthood. but this is what the republican debate was about. a lot of foreign policy, a lot about obama and clinton. now let's take a look at the democrats. a much different story. the dominant, guns. the dominant issue. then wall street, president obama being spoken about in glowing terms, syria being the foreign policy issue that got the most talk. iran barely got mentioned, immigration just a little bit. but, wow, what a difference between the two parties when you look at this. the democrats much more of a domestic focus, guns, and wall street. the republicans a lot more of an
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welcome back. the conventional wisdom is that hillary clinton's strong debate performance tuesday night blocked vice president joe biden
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from getting in the race. let's also keep in mind that that so-called conventional wisdom has been a lot more conventional and not so wise this campaign season. enter gabe sherman of new york magazine that writes "in we alty, joe biden is choosing what kind of campaign to run, an active one in which he pgs positions himself as a clinton alternative or a passive one that presents him as an alternative to bernie sanders or any of the other candidates." let's bring in the panel. alex castellanos, are you with jeb, not with jeb? >> i'm like the hard rock cafe, love all serve all. >> my good friend andrea mitchell of nbc news. amy, let me start with you. joe biden believes he's got more time. does he? >> joe biden has a couple of things working against him, the most important are filing deadlines and the bottom line is he can wait as long as he would like to but the states aren't going to wait for him. but the end of december, 1 15
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states have their deadlines closed. by the end of january, 30 state, half the delegates, are off of the table. that doesn't change. can you run a passive aggressive campaign for president? which i don't think you can. and he believes, i think, the theory is that he wants knob the race but he doesn't want to do what he needs to do to win whiches to say this "hillary clinton, i like you, democrats like you but you can't win a general election, you have too much baggage, go with me." he won't say that. >> alex? >> i think hilla clinton has some serious problems not in a democratic primary. they love her, right? and there's very little room there. but in a general election she's got trouble. the republican side is a dumpster fire right now, right? and most of those republicans still beat hillary clinton when joe biden runs ahead of those republicans. >> that's right. >> joe biden doesn't have hillary's authenticity problems and hillary's on the wrong end of an fbi investigation. those are serious things.
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somebody ought to get in there in case it collapses. >> in case of emergency -- >> pull this gourd. >> i'm go w gabe sherman and the passive aggressive argument right now. the minute he declares, he has to start spending $43,000 an hour on air force two just to go to iowa. one of the arguments is you're going to lose iowa anyway, to bernie, let's say. you could lose new hampshire to bernie or hillary, why don't you wait till south carolina? that's what his south carolina supporters aring. that's december 4 filing deadline. so wait, don't spend the big bucks because you have all this apparatus around you. and you've got time. you've got name recognition and what we know is that he personally authorized that memo. >> let me read that memo. >> that came from joe biden's -- >> >> it is red by the former senator long time aide to joe biden but why don't you view this as joe biden writing. >> it and he did. >> "if he runs, he will run because of his burning
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conviction that we need to fundamentally change the balance in our economy and the political structure to restore the ability of the middle-class to get ahead. if he decides to run, we will need each and every one of you yesterday." political structure. i've thought that is his potential great strength. i've been here forever, i know how to work across the aisle. >> the problem for biden, though, is the scenario you're laying out, amy, doesn't hold p up. it's hard to make the argument she couldn't win the presidency. and given the show on your side it's hard to say she couldn't win the presidency. >> i think he called it a dumpster fire. >> i was going to call it something else. you don't have to be a sitting vice president, you don't have to be in the race to be the rip cord candidate. so i've thought number one biden has been trying to talk himself into the race from the beginning. number two, it's not the debate he was waiting for, it's not benghazi hearing he's been waiting for, it's not filing deadlines because a party can change filing deadlines. it's the fbi. now, the problem for is he's waiting for, i think, an fbi
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investigation and for all we know it will turn up nothing. for all we know won't turn up anything until it's too late, might not turn up anything ever. and i think that's the problem is unless something really changes for hillary clinton, she's certainly going to win the nomination, pretty certainly, and it's hard to argue she couldn't win -- >> unless he puts up the polls. if we do the head-to-head polls and look at the numbers joe biden versus the candidates, i realize it's early -- >> backup quarterbacks on bad football teams are always really positive. >> joe biden with his strong record on women's issues, the violence against women, take the anita hill hearing out of. >> it hard to do that. >> his incredible support for those of with us breast cancer and all of the other things he and dr. jill biden have done, he doesn't want to be blamed as the person who stopped the first credible woman from getting to the white house. >> but the first credible woman may stop herself from -- >> that's another issue. >> and here's joe biden's story. loyal to the first black president of the united states for eight tough years, can energize the democratic base in a way hillary can't.
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authentic middle-class guy, can appeal to reagan democrats. >> can't run away from the train issue, he has to embrace it. can't run away -- >> all right, let's turn to what alex called the dumpster fire. you're going to own that phrase for a while. >> uh-oh. >> donald trump put out this tweet about blaming -- i don't -- actually, did he say, is he blaming george w. bush for 9/11 or did he simply state a fact, amy walter, that george w. bush was president during 9/11? >> that is what he said and, of course -- >> was it an insult or not? >> of course it was. it was meant to provoke. >> and guess what -- >> another alpha dog move, i can slap these guys around. they may hit me back. >> well, you said it meant to provoke, jeb bush provoked. here's an ad they put out in time for us to play it, obviously. >> he has said publicly he watches cable news and that's one of the way he bones up on our national security. >> trump says he "always felt that i was in the military." despite never serving in the
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military and draft deferments during vietnam. >> there's nobody bigger or better at the military than i am. >> on from fouron fournier, why bush get fired up and show fire only when his brother is attacked? >> because it's his brother and he's a loyal guy. the interesting thing about jeb bush, you talk about strategic frame, there's strategic frame if you talk to them about how they see themselves winning the presidency and taking on trump, the first thing out of their mouth is "there's no way donald trump" can win the nomination." if that's your strategic frame, you're hurting because he can win the nomination. >> you better have two plans. >> your plan "a" better be how do i get rid of donald trump and carson and win the primary? >> your strategy shouldn't be to predict the apocalypse, your strategy shouldn't be the world is going to end, that carson somehow is going to collapse, that trump is somehow going to falter. you ought to have a strategy to win. ted cruz has that apocalypse strategy but so does jeb bush right now and so does rubio, so does every other republican.
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>> it's the passive aggressive thing, too. everybody in this race except for donald trump is being passive and waiting for somebody to collapse. rubio waiting if that are collapse of bush to come in. ted cruz, waiting for carson. waiting for trump. nobody is making the play to say "i'm the stronger candidate." >> the truth is, there's not room in this game for jeb bush and marco rubio. it will be one or the other, alex, you know that better than anyone coming from florida. and rubio has a lot of the qualities that jeb bush does not show on the campaign trail. he hasn't fired up yet but when you see him speak he's got that sort of aggressive and young fire and jeb bush isn't showing it. >> but they think all they have to do is beat rubio and kasich. they have to beat trump and carson, too. >> i think this is the part of this -- okay, we make a case of that report that donald trump is not showing the signs of a real campaign. but alex, ben carson -- >> that's a tough case to make. >> are they both going to falter? >> i don't see how. ben carson has kind of a moral candidacy. even when you think he can't win
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voters support him because he's going to make the country better, he's got money, he's got lots of money and you have -- if you're a voter you have a purpose with your vote for ben carson all the way through. i think he blocks ted cruz. >> the similarity is i interviewed ben carson and he talked about the holocaust. historically inaccurate. i mean, beyond inaccurate. yet it doesn't matter what he says, it doesn't matter what donald trump says. the people in the -- the voters, at least, or the people coming to these rallies don't seem to mind. >> because a lot of his voters predate the campaign. they go back to -- he's a hero in the medical community. his books -- >> and they have a personal attachment. >> right. >> they have a personal attachment. >> who else? nobody else does. >> so let's say that in iowa it's either carson or trump and the republican establishment runs to new hampshire hair on fire. who do they rally around then for the other side of the equation? right now it's a tossup. who has the strength to compete with those guys? right now who's demonstrating
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strength? rubio is, fiorina is, jeb bush has it in governor. we haven't seen in the the campaign. >> i'll pause it there, we'll have more of this in a few minutes. back in 45 seconds. we have the end game segment and president obama's reversal on afghanistan as america's longest war will drag on to a third presidency. hey, you forgot the milk! that's lactaid. right. 100% real milk, just without the lactose. so you can drink all you want... ...with no discomfort? exactly. here, try some... mmm, it is real milk. see? delicious. hoof bump! oh. right here girl, boom lactaid®. 100% real milk. no discomfort and for a creamy and delicious treat, try lactaid® ice cream
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end game time. let's start with america's longest war and president obama's decision to reverse course and keep american troops in afghanistan for a 15th year. it's yet another position change on afghanistan from a president who himself said he was elected on the promise of ending both wars. >> i will end this war in iraq responsibly. and finish the fight against al qaeda and the taliban in afghanistan. >> i have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 troops to u.s. troops to afghanistan. after 18 months, our troops will begin to come home. we've blunted the taliban's momentum in afghanistan and in 2014 our lgest war will be over. i've decided to maintain our current posture of 9,800 troops in afghanistan through most of next year, 2016.
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>> let's bring in the panel. andrea mitchell, president obama is learning what al sander the great learned. >> nobody survives, no empire survives, look at the russians in affidavits. this is not winnable. president ghani has not even complained about the murderous attack on kunduz and has not support outside of his immediate area. he is viewed in afghanistan as an american implant. there is no leadership there, the taliban hasn't been pushed back, there was supposed to be negotiations with the taliban. that won't happen because we didn't even know when mullah omar died our intelligence is incredibly faulty, which probably led to the kunduz attack on the hospital and this is just a nightmare. >> by the way, we were talking earlier, joe biden is the guy who said "we probably is to partition iraq." he's the guy that said "small footprint, go counterterrorism." and everybody mocked him. he's looking more prescient than any single person including
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hillary clinton. >> this is one person where he can put himself close to obama. what strikes me is i believe president obama really intended to change our course in iraq and afghanistan. that was not a phony promise, just like i think he came here really thinking he was going to change the culture of washington. he didn't do either and i saw this as -- that's the last nail in the hope and change coffin. >> this is what this race is really about. george w. bush the critique was he was too aggressive, reckless male aggression so we pushed the pendulum to barack obama, soft power, dialogue, retreat a little bit from the world. guess what? the world seems to be coming apart at home and abroad. what do we want again? strength. who does that step in that's one of hunk's assets. she is tough. who does that help on the republican side, our bad boyfriend trump. >> what did you write today? the bad biker? >> he's the bad biker boyfriend who abuses us but we stick with him because there are scarier people out there. we need someone like that to
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protect us from and we don't find that strength anywhere else. >> so amy the held's angels candidate? >> i have said that he is the bad boyfriend you don't want to take home to your parent, right? you like to date him because he's saying to your parents, uh-uh, i'm not. but will you bring him home? but even on the republican side there's not a consensus about what to do, either. if there were a republican message that said "he's done it wrong, here's what we do instead" that's what democrats had going for them in the 2007 and 2008 era which is "we won't do anything like george bush did." but you heard ted cruz, we deal a little bit of that. >> cruz v. rubio would be an interesting foreign policy deba debate. rubio, intervention, cruz, isolation. >> i was struck with your interview with cruz about how isolationist he is. >> more than people thought. >> compared to a -- the whole john mccain wing of the party. >> he's got his eyes on rand paul's voters. >> absolutely. rand paul is looking for those voters. [ laughter ]
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before we go, "saturday night live" came through with the impersonation we've all been waiting for for months. larry david as bernie sanders. here was last night's cold open from "saturday night live." >> what is your position on the big banks? >> eh. [ laughter ] not a fan of the banks. they trample on the middle-class, they control washington. and why do they chain all their pens to the desks? who's trying to steal a pen from a bank? [ laughter ] makes no sense! that's why you've got break up the banks into little pieces and then flush the pieces down the toilet so you can never put the banks back together. >> amy, what i love about it -- by the way, when you're the star of the spoof, isn't that good? doesn't that mean sanders won the debate? >> maybe that's absolutely true. are we sure that wasn't larry david at the debate and that's bernie sanders? [ laughter ] >> you know that's the soul of the democratic party. the democratic party isn't just looking if their candidate, but
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they found their campaign, it is the campaign against the elite. >> you said the democrats love hillary clinton. i disagree. i think they lust for bernie sanders. >> they do. >> i think they'll marry and bring home to mom and dad. >> he's got the college campuses and millennials, he doesn't have a broad enough base. >> we'll leave it there. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."
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