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>> i learned that 11 years ago i was in yankee stadium and 40 years ago in fenway park. i have wasted much of lie life on baseball. >> what people figured out we still don't know what we don't know about trump's candidacy. >> there are less days left than there are behind us to the voting in iowa. donald trump has maintained this lead and well on his way. that does it for us on "morning joe." if it's way too early, joe, what time is it? >> time for "morning joe." stick around. "msnbc live" starts right now. good morning. i am josé díaz-balart. live on location at the white house this morning as we closely follow big developments from both ends of pennsylvania avenue. breaking overnight. congressman paul ryan says he will run for speaker of the house on his terms. and vice president joe biden is sounding more like he is jumping into the 2016 race.
more on that in a moment. first, expecting to hear from outgoing speaker john hain boehner. we'll bring you the remarks live. after weeks of intense pressure, ryan last night said he'll take the third most powerful job in the country under three conditions. >> first, we need to move from an opposition party to being a proposition party. second, we need to update our house rules. last point is personal. i cannot and i will not give up my family time. what i told members is, if you can agree to these requests and if i can truly be a unifying figure, then i will gladly serve. >> let's get the latest from capitol hill. nbc's kelly o'donnell and luke russert are there. kelly, you heard the terms from paul ryan. will republicans agree to them?
>> many republicans in the conference will see those terms as a good solution to get someone with the national recognition of paul ryan and the respect of his colleagues. but what is particularly critical is will those demands or requests as ryan called them go over with the most conservative group, formerly known as the tea party, now the freedom caucus. there are warning signs there. one of the things that paul ryan wants to do is to change the rules, making it impossible for republican members to effectively oust their speaker during the session, mid-session. that was the threat hanging over john boehner. it would have required another vote, sort of like a vote of confidence. and that is politically untenable. ryan's team says that's basically having a weapon pointed at the head of the speaker at all times on every issue. he wants to see that changed. but that's what gives that group of three dozen or so most conservative members their power. if they don't get what they want, if they don't feel like
they're being heard, they can threaten to push the speaker out. that's been a powerful tool, certainly over john boehner. and that could be one of the issues that we'll need to see could they agree to that. so far, the early kind of comments from some of those freedom caucus members have been doubtful about whether they would go along with the vision that paul ryan has for a speakership, if he were to get in the race. not yet in officially. josé. >> luke, what is the vision paul ryan has if he does take this job? what are his priorities, and is there anybody on capitol hill that could unite the different factions within the republican party? >> well, i think that's the million dollar question, josé. i think, if anyone is best suited to do it, it is paul ryan because he has the respect of conservatives as well as establishments. a lot of the respect comes from his acumen in terms of policy. here is somebody who is on the budget committee, a chairman, ways and means committee, now the current chairman.
paul ryan is someone who is an ideas guy. he has a big long-term vision for the house gop conference. his thing that he would love to do more than anything is comprehensive tax reform right now. previously he talked about comprehensive immigration reform. probably a non-starter. but what you hear from ryan is that he would like to center his approach in governing based on long-term policy instead of constantly moving from chaotic situation to chaotic situation. that's something that's defined the so to speakership the last few years of john boehner. all that being said, josé, i think the next three days are critical because we're going to see whether the paul ryan pre-nub is okay in the eyes of house conservatives. that's what paul ryan did last night, put forward a prenewspaper. prenup. i'm going to undertake this marriage -- i don't necessarily want to be married to all of
you. you're going to have to accept me for me. i don't think it's a slam-dunk. jake sherman. live tv from "politico." is it a slam dunk? >> i think it's likely. >> likely from jake sherman who gets more information, josé, than pretty much any reporter. we'll see how it plays out. likely, iffy, who knows. >> luke and kelly, thank you very much for being with me. we will talk to you next hour. also a reminder, we'll bring you speaker boehner's remarks live at 10:00 eastern time. while we keep watch on the former vice president candidate, we're talking about paul ryan, still waiting on the current vp to make up his mind about whether he'll run for president. joe biden raised eyebrows tuesday when he said he told president obama to go ahead with the raid to killed osama bin
laden. he is sounding more like a candidate. at at event last night he mentioned hillary clinton by name first time since speculation about his potential run really ramped up. >> john kerry is a great secretary of state. hillary clinton was a great secretary of state, but there are times when only the vice president, if it's known of his relationship with the president, can speak for the united states. >> nbc white house correspondent kristen welker joins me. what's the latest? >> according to my sources vice president biden is still undecided. he is getting a lot of pressure to make this decision, though, josé, as you can imagine. i am told he's taking another look at the big picture, does he see a path to victory. this is a deliberative process that he is making. everyone is talking about his comments from yesterday. he seemed to feed the narrative that he is inching closer to actually throwing his hat into the ring, in part because he took on secretary hillary
clinton over a number of those comments and also because he tried to sort of rewrite hes role in the bin laden raid. let's listen to what he had to say. >> i didn't want to take a position to go if that was not where he was going to go. so as we walked out of the room and walked upstairs, i said -- i told him my opinion, that i thought he should go but follow his own instincts. it would have been a mistake. imagine if i had said in front of everyone, don't go, or go, and his decision was a different decision. it undercuts that relationship. >> now, of course, he told nbc news, when we did a special report about the bin laden raid a few years ago, that his advice to the president in the situation room was we should get more information before we make this final decision. so it's really adding another layer, and a lot of folks are saying he could be trying to let folks know that was what he told the president privately afterwards and he decides to get into the race because it
bolsters his foreign policy credentials. >> you have new information on polling in new hampshire that appears to show the vice president, if he decides to get in, wouldn't be an easy race. >> an uphill battle that gets increasingly steeper by the day. bernie sanders with 41%. hillary clinton with 36%. look at vice president joe biden. at 10%. this is a new hampshire poll. just to make the point, josé, in a number of these recent polls that we have seen, his numbers have been dropping. there seems to be a loss of momentum, that has his supporters very concerned. it has them really pressing him to make a decision. they want him to get in. they also say, if he's not getting in, that's okay. they want to know that. >> the drop or increase in the poll numbers is for someone who hasn't gotten in the race. things would change were he an official candidate. >> the thought is, if he becomes an official candidate he probably would get an official
bump. then you would see the poll numbers go down. in our poll 38% of democrats say they don't want him in the race. 30% do. >> kristen weassad wanted to th vladimir putin personally for helping to prop up his regime. he did something he hasn't done in four years. he left syria and met with putin in moscow face-to-face. along with putting a face on syrian rebels. assad may feel he's gaining the upper hand in the bloody civil war. keir simmons is live in london with more. keir, good morning. >> reporter: i think you got it exactly right. he went toe thank president putin and to help president putin because what moscow is describing this as is a meeting where they talked about strategy, talked about what they were going to be doing and how they were going to be coordinating this ongoing
conflict in syria with russia sending in air power and president assad attempting to push on the ground. but at the same time, while he went to moscow to meet putin, it may equally be to send a warning to washington and president obama. it was a short trip, signalling that the long alliance between putin and assad is stronger than ever. president assad seated next to president putin, the syrian leader's dramatic moscow visit announced for the first time this morning. assad arrived in secret last night. syria is russia's friend, putin said in a statement, wishing assad a warm welcome. contrast that with the tension between president obama and russia's leader last month. the syrian people have been practically alone in putting up resistance and fighting these international terrorists putin told his guest. russia's air campaign over syria has increased in recent days targeting what it calls terrorist extremist groups. on the ground that's meant
striking both isis and rebels supported by the west. anyone opposed to assad. the talks overnight centered on coordinating military action in syria, the kremlin said, while the u.s. has agreed measures with russia to minimize the risk of accidents in the air. the pentagon making clear, cooperation does not mean u.s. support for russia's policy. >> we continue to believe that russia's strategy in syria is counter productive and their support for the assad regime will only make syria's civil war worse. >> the reply from moscow seems unmistakable. the president called for a political settlement when he was making his statement with assad there. the fundamental point, josé, is that there is continuing this division between the west and washington and russia over whether assad should go. and another point, josé, president assad is now back home, but the very fact, as you mentioned, that he is prepared to travel suggests he feels more
secure. >> keir simmons in london. thank you. bringing in former u.s. ambassador to nato. nicholas burns. was a member of the nse. a professor of international diplomacy in harvard. talk to me about the significance of this meeting in moscow. >> this is a big power move by vladimir putin. it's interesting, of course, that assad was summoned to moscow. the russians invited him. assad, as you say, had not travelled in four years since the start of the war. what it means is that putin positioned himself as by far the most dynamic actor in the middle east. he's trying to restore russian influence. the soviets were really kicked out of the middle east in 1972 and '73. he is returning the russians to be a major influential power in syria. and with the more passive approach by the united states, he has become, i think, the central actor in this drama. i agree with the pentagon. it's very likely that because what the russians are doing with the intensive bombing of aleppo
and the coordination with hezbollah and iran they'll drive up the number of dead and wounded and the number of refugees. you might see this as a cynical move by president putin, what he is doing. in the short term russia is building up its power in the region. >> every day that passes the quota of blood being shed by the syrian people increases and no one is talking about the repercussions are going to be about this change of realpolitik in that part of the world. the dictator feels comfortable enough to leave. hadn't left in four years. is he pretty much now a stronger force than he was just six months ago? >> i think there is no question that assad is stronger now than he was six months ago because you do have hezbollah and iranian forces on the ground fighting with his forces. you now have this russian air campaign. and that's been very effective in retaking territory in the
western part of syria along the mediterranean coast. they're aiming to retake aleppo, the major city that's been in rebel hands. and if they can do that, if they can establish a corridor between damascus and latakia and aleppo that will be a tactical advantage for the syrian government. you'll notice now that the opponents of assad, the turkish government and even the united states government have been saying for the last several weeks, assad doesn't need to go immediately in any kind of transition. so he certainly has bought time for himself. but the war will be worsened. i think the problem for the obama administration -- and i have great sympathy for president obama and secretary kerry. this is a difficult situation. it's not easy to know what to do. the administration has been clear about what it won't do but hasn't been clear about what it will do. the friends of the united states, the sunni arab countries, the turks and israelis are wondering what is
washington strategy. i think the administration needs to develop and announce a strategy to oppose what putin is doing. >> ambassador nick burns, thank you for being with me. great seeing you. >> thank you. following breaking news out of england. on american f-18 crashed after taking off from a u.s. military base in england. the pilot was killed when the plane went down after leaving about 70 miles northeast of london. no one else was believed to be on board at the time. developing now from new york, nypd officer is dead offer after a gun battle that took place overnight. officer holder was responding to a call of shots fired in an east harlem neighborhood. the commissioner held a press conference and spoke about the police killings in the last year. >> four police officers murdered in 11 months. that's about as bad as it gets. >> officer randolph holder was a five-year veteran of the nypd.
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he has missed about 44% of votes since he announced his candidacy. a couple context points to note here. rubio himself said, yes, he misses votes at times because he is out running for president. you simply can't do both. he and his campaign have emphasized he has come back to washington to cast his vote on key topics and key bills like that one. when you look at other people who have run for president. john mccain, for example, missed about 60% of his votes from the time he announced up until about now. the last cycle that he ran. president obama missing about 30%. this is what happens when you are a senator who is also running for product. >> hallie jackson, thank you so much. after the break, a plainclothes officer shoots and kills a musician as he waited on the side of the road in florida. plus, one of the most prominent college basketball programs in the country is under fire after allegations it used strippers as part of its recruiting process.
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plainclothes officer from palm beach gardens shot and killed a local musician on the side of the road early sunday morning. his car broken down waiting for a tow truck. the family asking for a full accounting. the department itself, the chief here says, according to what they know this began at 3:15 a.m. sunday when the officer approached what he thought was an abandoned car along the highway. when he approached he was confronted by an armed man turning out to be corey jones, whom he shot and killed. police say that they found a weapon, a pistol, belonging to mr. jones in the grass and it had been purchased three days before. family members find that account from the police very difficult to believe. they say that jones was quiet, that he was well regarded, he was a church member, he would not confront the police, he was non-viabili non-violent. they're having a hard time with this. that's also the same things being said about the officer.
that he had a clean record, that he was a trainer at the academy. at the previous department he was said by his chief to be in good standing. one theory suggested by a source quoted by the local newspaper here, the palm beach post yesterday, with knowledge of the case, perhaps this was a situation that ratcheted out of control. the young man was on the side of the highway, saw somebody coming in plainclothes, in an unmarked car and raised the pistol and it spiralled from there. the investigation is just beginning. meantime, the family hired ben crump to represent them during the inquiry. and a rally or gathering of some sort is scheduled for this area here tomorrow. josé. >> mark potter in palm beach gardens. thank you. the united nations secretary-general in the middle east trying to put an end to the recent violence. ban ki moon meeting with
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good morning. i am josé díaz-balart. live from the white house where we are still waiting to hear from vice president joe biden on a potential presidential run. he is under scrutiny this morning for what some say is changing his story on his role in the osama bin laden raid. here is what he said on tuesday. >> i didn't want to take a position to go if that was not where he was going to go. so as we walked out of the room and walked upstairs, i said -- i told him my opinion, that i thought he should go but follow his own instincts. it would have been a mistake -- imagine if i had said, in front of everyone, don't go or go and his decision was a different decision. it undercuts that relationship. >> so that's what he said tuesday. here is what he said in 2012 on
"meet the press." >> president had a roll call. everybody had some -- some maybe yes, maybe no, i think on balance go. the only guy who had to full throat it, go, mr. president was leon panetta. i walked out of the meeting as i usually do -- i get to be the last guy to be with the president. i we walked toward his office. i knew he was going to go. what i always tell him when he looked at me again. i said follow your instincts. mr. president. your instincts have been close to unerring. figure your instincts. i wanted him to take one more day to take one more test to see if he was there. >> julie pace, great to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> how big of a gap is it between what he said on tuesday and in 2012? >> it's a changing story. he said he was encouraging the president to take another look, be more cautious. now he's basically saying he was always on the side of going forward. in some ways this is the vice
president trying to get on the right side of what obviously ended up being the right decision for the president. >> it is an evolution. he did say that he asked at the situation room for one flyover before the decision was taken. is it that different? >> it's -- again, it's a shift. it's not that it's a total change in his story. i think actually the most important point in what the vice president is trying to say here is he is emphasizing his closeness to the president. he is emphasizing that, while there were large meetings in the situation room where someone like, for example, hillary clinton would have been in there, he was the guy that was with the president at the end, the last person he talked to before he made the decision. i think that's really what he is trying to emphasize. >> he also said we've had two great secretaries of state. they're great when they travel. the world knows when i travel and when i speak i am speaking for the president. i do more than the other one. >> it's a veiled critique of hillary clinton. when she was picked as secretary
of state was being sent as obama's emissary. when she goes around the world she is speaking for the president. john kerry is seen as having the same relationship. joe biden is saying they might have a close relationship but when i go abroad i am really the one speaking for him. >> thank you for being here. it's going to be interesting. we'll keep a close watch on that. coming up we'll hear from outgoing speaker of the house john boehner. the meeting is going on right now. we'll watch that for you. after paul ryan's announcement last night that he is willing to serve as speaker if his conditions are met. we'll tell you what that is all about when that happens. back at the white house, this afternoon president obama departs and travel to west virginia to address the growing drug epidemic. we'll talk to state and local officials on their initiatives to fight the issue affecting their communities. with me now is a mother whose daughter died of a heroin overdose.
dorothy shoemate. thank you for being with me. your daughter's obituary got attention because it stated she died of heroin overdose. why was it important for you to do that? >> because i don't want this to happen to any other family. and if we talk about it instead of being ashamed or embarrassed, then maybe some other family doesn't have to go through this. >> tell me. >> this is the worst thing a parent -- >> no, no. i can't even. >> pardon me? >> i can't even imagine how difficult this is. tell me about alison. what happened? >> alison was 18. and she had graduated high school, and she had just gotten her first apartment a few weeks before. she had two jobs, and she was thrilled. she finally was in charge of her own life, which she couldn't
wait to be. she was, you know, wanted to do everything as a grown-up even before she was grown up. turning 18 and jumping into the real world was what she wanted to do. she had struggled with some drug use and alcohol, and she had been in rehab last year, 2014, during the summer. and we thought things went well. she came out. she finished high school. and then apparently this year, in addition to marijuana and alcohol, she began using heroin. at first, or the first couple of times -- i'm not sure how many -- she snorted it, and then this last time she injected it. and she died. >> dorothy, what -- what is it that we can do? what is it that we as parents,
as a society, as a country, can do to deal with this situation? because -- you know, every single life is so precious, and your daughter is so precious. how -- how is it that we can help? >> we can start talking about it. we can recognize that addiction is a disease. the national institute of health says that substance use disorder is a change in the brain. i have heard that with heroin it can happen the very first time that you take it. the problem is it tells your brain that you can feel really great really quickly, and then your brain functions in that addicted way, and it's not just a matter of continuing -- continually making poor choices. there also may be genetic
predispositions for people to be addicted. and there are other studies that talk about things like adhd medicines for children. i don't know, you know, where those stand. but i know that when anybody, whether it's a child or adult, takes opioids, particularly after surgery or an injury, they can become addicted to those. and here again some people are more susceptible an others. i have had lots of surgery and lots of medicine and i have not had any trouble with that, but my daughter had the most trouble there could be. i think, if we talk about -- i know if we talked about it because since the day my daughter died every single day i have talked to somebody new who has said, my brother is in prison, or my child is using, or my -- somebody is in rehab. every single day for the last 56 days people have talked to me
about that. so i think we need to do more talking as a community. yes. >> i can't agree with you more. it's so difficult to talk about this from a position of pain, like dorothy, you are doing. it is so important to talk about these people who need our help. and there is nothing, nothing, dorothy, that you or anybody else could have done more than you did, and yet it's important that we talk about this because it's happening throughout our country, and it's happening in our families and it's happening in our towns and our cities and no one is immune from it. no family is immune from it and we have to talk about it. >> yes. >> dorothy -- >> and there are -- yes. >> no, no. go ahead. >> i was just -- there are groups springing up in my own county. there's a butler county opiate
task force that i have joined. i know there are groups across the nation, and some of them met in washington d.c., a weekend or two ago. and so there are people who are starting to speak up. but we all need to join in and stop viewing people who use opioids and other substances as "those people," as addicts, as junkies. they may be addicted, but th they're still human beings deserving of good medical treatment and love and kindness. >> absolutely. dorothy -- >> they deserve to live. >> absolutely they do. dorothy, thank you. i am so grateful to you that you came on and that you're willing to talk about this. i thank you. >> thank you very much. >> we'll be right back. nvestmen, we believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights.
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>> so university of louisville has said that it would not be commenting further until the investigations are complete, but they did issue a statement yesterday. the university of louisville sports information director said, quote, coach pitino has no plans to step down. he has a long-term contract here and he absolutely did not know anything about the allegations, josé. craig melvin, thank you very much. after a break we'll get an update on the influx of migrants trying to escape war and reach the safety of europe. thousands waiting in the rain and the cold where, well, the situation is in limbo. countries are still trying to turn them away. we'll have the details on that ahead. also, we're keeping an eye on the podium. right there. we expect house speaker john boehner and the rest of the house gop leadership at the top of the hour. we'll watch to see if congressman paul ryan will join them. we'll be right back.
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than twice what it was all of last year. that's overwhelming some balkan states providing people to wait in cold and rain while governments try to figure out how to process them. slovenia has deployed its army to the border of croatia because of the number of people trying to get through. unicef's regional communications chief is with me. seems like these people are just being pushed around from one country to another. hungary closes its border, now slovenia's overwhelmed. is this a problem that's going to just continue while people use these people as ping-pong in a game? >> well, sorry to say that things do look like they are going to get a lot worse before this he get better. and the reason is that what we're seeing of course in europe is a symptom of a much bigger issue, a much bigger problem and that's the one that's unraveling across the middle east with the conflict in syria and iraq.
so what is happening is that those who can are looking to find some sort of way out, an escape route. they're taking great risks crossing the waters of the mediterranean towards europe. many of them are children. huge numbers of children. that's what really concerns us at unicef, of course. just to give you one statistic -- >> i'm sorry, i want to is that tis tick on children but i want is to ask you this. if you think about this, syria has been going through a civil war now for four years. right? it's been one -- it's been years now since the dictator in libya was toppled. iraq, as we all know, has been a problem for decades now. the question is this -- what happens so that this is now such a crisis and how big is it for children involved? >> well, i think that what we've seen is an intensification of the conflict in syria especially over the recent weeks and months. i think that you're right, this is a conflict and crisis that's
been going on for a very long time but i think that people are simply giving up, they're losing hope. they're seeing no possible future for their children, for themselves in those countries. so they're looking for an option. but let's be clear, the ones that we're seeing, these desperately vulnerable people who are washing up on the shores of europe, these are really just the tip of the iceberg. the vast majority of people affected by the conflict in syria and iraq are still in that country. they're effectively trapped there. there's no way out for them. that's why we really have to apply ourselves to dealing with the situation there in the country, the much greater needs, while we're also helping of course the migrants as they arrive within the shores of europe doing everything we can for them, too. >> simon ingram, thank you. appreciate your time. a big hour next on msnbc. all eyes are on capitol hill where house gop leaders have been meeting behind closed doors just about 12 hours after paul ryan said he would possibly get
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they're known as the freedom caucus. one of the thing that ryan wants to do is to eliminate the option under the rules for challenging the speaker during a session. so in essence, a vote confidence that could oust a speaker. that nearly got john boehner because he did not want to go through that process. that sort of precipitated some of his thinking about his resignation. so paul ryan of wisconsin who says he has never really wanted to be speaker, isn't really that excited about this job, but at the same time would be willing to step up if he can get an overwhelming show of unity from his fellow republicans before he actually says he will be a candidate. so we know now that speaker john boehner has set the election for next wednesday and that would be internal to the republicans. then the next day the floor vote. speaker of the house is actually voted on by both parties, although typically it goes party line. so what paul ryan is trying to do is avoid sort of a nail-biter outcome. he wants a very clear sign from
republicans that they stand behind him as a show of how they would work together down the line should he become speaker. but there are members of this freedom caucus who think those demands are out of step with what they want. they don't want to weaken their own power as a group of three dozen or so. that's what we have to see today. ryan will be continuing to have meetings with individual members or groups of members, and we expect to get some word from that freedom caucus about their intention to endorse or not endorse ryan over the next several days. we don't know the timeline just yet. members have been meeting behind closed doors, as you alluded, we expect leadership to come forward and make remarks and kind of give us an update very soon. but the reluctant potential speaker has his list of things he'd like to see accomplished, and now members have to sort it out. for many it is a slam-dunk. no problem. they want to see paul ryan who can be someone who can unify their party. but it is that smaller group of members who have really made this an issue.
>> also on capitol hill, thank you, kelly, is luke russert. in the last hour you were describing what paul ryan is demanding as a kind of pre-nup. we don't even know if there is even any "i dos" get from anybody as we see paul ryan arriving this morning. >> no, we don't. i think what kelly was talking about is extremely important, it's what i've been following all this morning. behind me is the house freedom caucus will decide whether paul ryan will become speaker. he has said he won't actively pursue this. he wants a mandate on the floor of 235 votes. what we've heard so far from these free democrat caucus members is they have real concerns about paul ryan. a few. number one, this idea he does not want to work on the weekends. they say a speaker should be working on the weekends. they need that fund-raising
apparatus in place so they can protect all their vulnerable seats. two, paul ryan's past stances on comprehensive immigration reform. i just spoke to mo brooks of alabama, a freedom caucus member, he told me luis gutierrez of illinois is paul ryan's best friend. that's very disconcerting to him and a problem because he views paul ryan in favor of amnesty. number three, paul ryan and whether or not he would change the house rules. they don't want to get rid of the motion to vacate the chair. this camp told me that's something thomas jefferson came up with. why oppose thomas jefferson? they want to hear about paul ryan and his ideas later at a meetle. the question though becomes if these 40 or so members do not make an endorsement of paul ryan, do they run the risk of marginalizing themselves. representative peter king of new york told me that's what they would do. however, they have taken on a lot of heat and still manage to be able to fund raise throughout
conservative organizations and they like the purity test. so far it seems like they'll hold to that if he does not get that endorsement from the freedom caucus, does ryan say thanks, but no thanks. that is the story over the next few days. >> as we await the arrival of the speaker -- looks like there's some movement there -- this is interesting, luke, you mention this. there are people on capitol hill that are criticizing others for who their friends are, who they hang out with, who they're able to speak to. is this what you are telling me? is there anybody in the freedom caucus that they would find appropriate, someone who maybe doesn't speak to the other party or doesn't have any friends? >> jose, i think what you're touching on is a very important point. sometimes we here on capitol hill get lost in the minutia. if you are flying at 30,000 feet and you look at the polling which shows the country
overwhelmingly supports some form of immigration reform, you would look to a guy like paul ryan who just came off a vp loss in 2012. working with luis gutierrez, a very prominent latino immigration activist within the democratic caucus in 2013 is probably something that's good for the country. right? the country wants both sides to work together. however, when it comes to the politics of the house gop conference, specifically the house freedom caucus, nothing could be worse for paul ryan than to be seen in the pbs frontline documentary last night with luis gutierrez. nothing could be worse than having a harry reid endorsement yesterday from the united states senate. that is the current reality of washington. but also the current reality of the house gop conference for their far right, is that even if you're too friendly with democrats, you may not be able to be trusted and we just don't know what you're going to do. that is what the litmus test is right now and that is why paul ryan laid out that pre-nup i told you about earlier. he does not want to have to tread water.
he doesn't want them coming for his head if he is going to work with members of the other side. >> luke russert and kelly o'donnell on capitol hill, thank you both very much. so much more ahead on this special edition of msnbc live from the white house. much of the action this hour is on capitol hill. we've been talking about that. more on congressman paul ryan and the house speaker race. also later, 88 miles an hour. perhaps the most famous line along with the flex capacitor that made time travel possible at universal's "back to the future" series. today the date in the second movie installment where marty mcfly lands in the future, october 21, 2015. but first the stars of the series earlier on "today."
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we're told it's business as usual today for vice president joe biden. there's still no word on when he will's tell us about what he's decided to do about running or not for president. nbc's chris jansing is here with me. >> good to see you. >> talk to me about joe biden's evolution. >> we're calling it the evolution. yesterday he made it clear at this gathering for former vice president walter mondale that he did indeed support the raid to get osama bin laden but there is some conflict with what he has said before. let's go back to 2012, for example, when he talked to house democrats and reportedly said that the one person who was really on board was leon panetta. he said something very similar when he spoke to brian williams for a special that nbc news did on this. but obviously this is something that's designed to burnish his credentials, would put him online with what hillary clinton who would be his opponent in the presidential race has said that she is supportive of it.
his supporters say this is not a contradiction. because what he also said yesterday was, there was kind of a roll call. then he did as he always does, he waited to go up into the oval office to tell the president what he wanted to do. we got a lot of this at the press briefing yesterday. pushed josh earnest on it. ultimately we can only know that from the president. we might have to wait for his book. >> let's talk about the timing issue. everybody's saying the clock is ticking, he's got to make a decision. does he? >> well, he does eventually. absolutely. and we've talk before about the fact that there are certain filing deadlines if he wants to get on the ballot in certain states but, look, the pressure is so intense right now. people want to know what are you going to do at a time when he seemed to be looked decisive yesterday talking about what his opinion was on osama bin laden. people are saying he needs to make a decision on this. the other thing that i think surprised some people, again
this was an event that was supposed to focus on former vice president walter mondale, a lot of the attention came to him because of some very thinly veiled attacks against hillary clinton saying that even though we've had good secretaries of state, when he goes to see foreign leaders they know that he is speaking for the president. he referred to her debate comment that she was enemies with the republicans, the people who have been against her most have been the republicans, that he wants to work with them. so he sounds like a candidate but he's no the getting in like a candidate. we don't have a candidate yet. and the latest word that we're getting is he doesn't know. he has not made up his mind. >> chris jansing, thank you. great seeing you. >> welcome to washington. >> thanks! we're waiting to hear from gop leaders meanwhile fresh off the news that congressman paul ryan could jump in the race for house speaker. brian williams is in new york. >> jose, thanks. we're going to show folks the room we're waiting to cut to on capitol hill and there's a small
lectern on the left there and the phrase on it matching the phraseology on the wall behind it is "sign the bill." before john boehner walks into this room still the speaker of the house, before he talks about the future, to say nothing of signing the bill, kelly o'donnell's prepared to explain to us just what it is we're talking about there, kelly. >> reporter: well, good to be with you, brian. congress has passed the national defense authorization act and that is the big spending bill for the department of defense. the white house has signaled that the president would veto that and certainly republicans here on capitol hill want to see him sign that. it is very rare for a president to veto the defense authorization act. there's a dispute about some of the smaller details in that with increasing funding for defense. but not increasing it for some other domestic programs, always the issue of guantanamo bay. so that is a real source of tension because, of course, when money gets cut off toward the
pentagon, a lot of concern about that. sign the bill is a direct and subliminal message from the white house from those here on capitol hill. we've been waiting for some way to read the room today. paul ryan maybe speaker in waiting passioned by here a short time ago. i asked him if he thought his request or demands would be met. he did not respond to questions. aides say don't expect him to answer questions in the hallway. it is one of the sad things about when a congressman you've covered for a long time is no longer talking in the hallways, that really cuts into our ability to get sort of what they're thinking. he also sort of slipped away through one of the hallways here so he knows pressure is on him. is not going to be very visible. he's said his peace last night with sort of an outline of what he believes must happen for the republican conference in terms much tone, in terms of ideas, in terms of plan, and that some practical things about what it would mean for him to be speaker. we've talked about that this morning, brian. part of it includes eliminating
a rule that would allow some members to challenge the speaker during a session, to threaten the speaker's job if they don't like what's going on. ryan says any speaker should not face that kind of threat. and then he also talked about wanting to have his family time. when you think of speakers current and past, most did not have school age children at home and ryan's family does live in wisconsin. one of his concerns is the speaker typically travels weekend after weekend, three weekends a month, raising money for his party or in nancy pelosi's case, for the democrats, and ryan does not want to do that. even that is sort of rankling some of his colleagues who believe a speaker has that unique ability as a major national figure to raise money for the party. i had people asking me he was going to be vice president had mitt romney won. in that case his family would have moved to washington, d.c.
and he swould have had daily contact with his kids. ryan wants a really big vote total assured before he even puts his name on the ballot. >> kelly, what are we likely to hear at this event? is boehner not going to come in and talk about the sign the bill effort first, and then it is hoped take questions on the speaker race, and it is hoped name a date certain for the vote? >> well, you know the dance of washington. when this he know cameras are trained on them and they have a message they want to get out and they've already done the signage, i would expect leadership to talk about that defense bill. but we would also expect boehner to explain that he has now set new elections for the top leadership so next week republicans will make their own selection for a speaker nominee, and then later next week right before boehner is ready to leave town permanently, the full house, both democrats and republicans, would vote on the
speaker. it is the only leadership job that the entire house takes a vote on, although typically it does go party line. so when we watch that next week it is likely that nancy pelosi will get the votes of her democrats. so they need republicans to be unified in order for paul ryan to get the 218 that's required. he'd like to get much more than that, closer to 240 votes as a sign of strength. we do expect the speaker to -- current speaker to take some questions, and we'll hear some messaging important to republicans about that defense bill. brian? >> kelly, i reckon you're right, if you have the good fortune of being in the limelight on a day when an event is scheduled, your event is going to get a lot of traction just waiting for the comments in chief. >> they were pleased we described "sign the bill." i'm sure that's a start right there. that's been something we've been hearing day in, day out, since the bill was signed. boehner also did a special event which he doesn't us a do for
bills, the formal signing from this end. we think of signing a bill being the president's duty. but before it gets to the white house, the speaker signs it here. so that gives you an idea of the interest that they have in getting that done. another big issue, brian, will be debt ceiling. we're being told that the new sort of cut-off point for the country's borrowing power is now november 3rd. so the treasury department's been able to shift some dollars around, that kind of thing that we've seen in these crises past. so that presents a real serious problem. can a new speaker begin a speakership taking on something as volatile as the debt ceiling? or will john boehner try to get that done before he leaves office? the issue would be if you put what's known as a clean debt ceiling increase, allowing the borrowing authority to go up, but having no commensurate spending cuts, that's what democrats would want to see. that's the safest route. but republicans on the house side in particular, senators, too, want to have spending cuts
attached to that. we saw that a couple of years ago. the real risk though is if the united states defaults, that sets off all kinds of problems for people's retirement accounts, the bond markets, all of those repercussions that are real world and damaging. and so leadership tells me they don't want to see that happen but we are up against another of those showdown. will it be one of boehner's last acts or a new speaker's headache? >> kelly odom on the hill, among our members of our team waiting. kelly, we're going to keep an eye and keep this picture on the screen as we await speaker boehner. we've been told it will be within five minutes in that window. so we will not stop looking at that doorway. we're going to bring into the conversation a veteran in government service and republican politics, dan senor, who was foreign afairs advisor to the romney effort last time around. and has come to know paul ryan very well. dan, this tug-of-war between all
things janesville, wisconsin, family man by all accounts, packers fan, a guy who really just wanted to be chairman of ways and means. i'm sure it has been torture for paul ryan, this decision. >> it is the last job he ever thought he'd be pursuing. he says he has his dream job -- chairman of ways and means committee. this is the job he's wanted since he first wound up in congress 17 years ago. he gets to work on tax reform, he gets to work on entitlement reform, he gets to work on obamacare, health care reform replacement, and suddenly he's thrust into this position where he's told by members of all ideological stripes in his conference that the house gop conference is in jeopardy if the place is ungovernable, the senate majority is in jeopardy if senate republicans can't hang on to those blue-state republican incumbent senators running for re-election, and whether or not our republican presidential nominee is going to be in trouble if the house looks
completely ungovernable over the next 16, 17 months. including the last ten days when he's in janesville. he's been hearing from all three of those groups conveying that message. i just think he feels the stakes are too high. >> we have some activity in the doorway. there is indeed speaker of the house, john boehner. let's listen. >> today the president has on his desk a bipartisan national defense authorization bill. the bill provides our troops with the resources they need to keep america safe. it meets the funding levels that the president requested. yet the president has vowed to veto it. why? because he wants to stop and spend more money on his domestic agenda. it is time to put our troops first, time to stop playing political games. iranian terrorists soon are going to have access to billions of dollars as a result of the president's nuclear deal. there's no time to block funding
for our troops in the critical mission that they have ahead. >> good morning, all. quickly give you a little snapshot of what we had this week. a lot of other issues you probably want to talk about but a couple bills i want to highlight. first one of the bills the speaker has fought his entire career for -- many of you have children. it is no longer what you become, it is the opportunity your children have. there's one unique thing about america that every generation has improved on the generation before it. that we care for those that maybe have less than us, an idea that you have a low-income student doesn't get held back, has the opportunity, the choice maybe to go to a private school that somebody else who had income could. we used to have that here in d.c., something that the speaker had worked on. when the president came in he changed that. we'll pass that bill this week. we'll also take up tom
mcclintock's bill to make sure the default prevention act. as america we'd never want to default on payments. the chairman of the armed services, a bipartisan bill, the national defense authorization act. it has a history of being bipartisan. the speaker sent it to the president. never in the history had we had a president saying he wants to veto something of this nature. we should never get to the point in this country where we play politics with our troops. this deals with the future, it deals with the security, also deals with the payment of how we treat them. i know there's problems in washington, but it should never get that low. i hope the president reconsiders. >> yesterday we sent president
obama the national defense authorization act. this bill was worked through the committee process, chairman thornberry and so many others worked in a very bipartisan way to put together a bill that not only makes sure our troops are properly funded, increases their pay, makes sure guantanamo bay inmates are not sent to america and given american rights, does so many other things to protect america's safety abroad where there is incredibly dangerous world. actually gives real tools to our allies, like the ukraine, who want to push back against russia's aggression. this bill was a strong bipartisan bill that deserves the president's signature, not the threat of a politically charged veto. the president needs to reconsider his veto threat. do what's right for our troops and what's right for america's national security and sign this bill. we're also going to be voting later this week on the
reconciliation legislation. this is a bill that we worked through going back to january when our members came together and recognized that with a house and senate majority we had the first time since 2002 to pass a budget that actually gets to balance, but also to give us that tool of reconciliation which allows us with 51 votes in the senate rather than 60 to send a bill to the president's desk. we've done that. we've come together in the house to bring a bill to the floor that actually dismantles obamacare and defunds planned parenthood allowing us with 51 votes in the senate to send that bill to the president's desk. so i'm looking forward to a very strong vote from the house. would urge the senate to follow suit and go through that process and send that bill to the president's desk, a bill that really restrengthening the priorities of the american people, would help get our economy back on track and set some really good priorities for our country. >> this week the house and
senate sent the defense bill, as you've heard, to the president's desk. it was bipartisan and it is legislation that we pass every year to fund our military. this legislation is essential when it comes to providing a strong national defense that keeps us safe, that ekwiquips te in harm's way and also supports the families of those military servicemen and women. for the men and women at fairchild air force base in eastern washington, as well as bases all around the world, our priority should be to give them the equipment and resources that they need. i also co-chair the military family caucus and i hear regularly about concerns whether they'll be able to make ends meet at the end of the month and whether or not they're going to be able to juggle the demands when someone is deployed. when someone joins the military, it's not just a job. it is a family commitment that they make to our country.
they all make sacrifices, they serve us and it is our responsibility to make sure that they get our support. military families rely on these programs. when you really think about it, caring for our troops and their families is the cornerstone of military readiness. our troops need to be the focus. we shouldn't have them worrying about whether or not we're going to be supporting them back home. we have an obligation. the president, the commander in chief has an obligation, to ensure that military and defense remains our top priority. mr. president, sign this bill. >> i, too, am deeply disappointed president obama has threatened to veto the bipartisan defense authorization bill. to be clear, the president threatens to veto increases to
troop pay and benefits, enhancements to the military's retirement system, a reinforced mission to defeat isil, funding for our nation's military personnel and readiness, and the necessary resources for a strong national defense that even reflects the president's own budget requests. for the first time in our nation's history, a president is holding this bill for ransom in pursuit of more money for his political agenda. this includes transferring guantanamo bay detainees to the united states and potentially northeast kansas. representing ft. levinworth i know this is not in our nation's best interest. yet president obama would prefer to move the world's most deadly terrorists to our communities rather than to pay our men and women in uniform. mr. president, troop pay and our
nation's security is no place to play politics. >> among the headlines today is bashar al assad going to moscow to thank mr. putin for saving his regime. 22 afghan policemen were murdered by the taliban. an f-18 apparently crashed in england. meanwhile, there are thousands of men and women strapping on their body armor getting ready to go on patrol, fly their aircraft to protect the united states. it would be absolutely wrong for us to play political games with them and with the support that they depend upon. as has been mentioned, included in this bill is a reform for military retirement. today 83% of the people who serve in the military walk away
with no retirement. this bill changes that. there are reforms that make sure that if someone is on a drug when they are in the military to treat post traumatic stress or pain management, they can stay on the same drug when they move to the va system. that's not happening today. there are a number of reforms that are beginning to improve the way that the pentagon buys goods and services. all of that goes away with a veto of this bill. it would be unprecedented. it is time for the president to put our troops and national security first. he should sign the bill. >> well, young lady. >> you dealt with the freedom caucus for a long time. >> really. >> what do you think the chances are they will being a wes to paul ryan's demand or requests?
>> i think paul ryan would make a great speaker but this decision is up to the members and i thought last night went very well and hopefully by the end of the week we'll have a nominee. >> what's plan b if he doesn't decide? >> don't know. >> no plan b? >> i should say -- i should have said earlier, conference election for speaker will be next wednesday. the 28th. on thursday the 29th, the election will occur on the floor. >> but following up on that -- [ inaudible question ] >> is there a viable second, third, whatever that would be an option? >> listen, i think paul is going to get the support that he is looking for, that he laid out a very clear vision of how he
would run the speakership. i thought the members responded very well to it. >> you'll support it. >> yes, sir. >> mr. speaker, thank you. but we've had so many fits and starts with this. you said the 28th and the 29th. why should we have any confidence that this is going to work out this time? i mean what is your level of confidence it is going to work out? >> i feel pretty good about it. >> why? i hope it is not a last best -- but you see the mobilization now on the right against paul ryan saying pro-amnesty, not conservative enough. he's just another mccarthy, he's just another boehner. how does that sit with you? >> listen, i've got pretty thick skin. and we all know paul ryan. he's a very good member. he works hard. he's very bright. and he has a good relationships i think with all the wings of the party. that's why i think he'll be
doing fine. >> he would like to spend more time with his family. you are the fund-raiser part. what's your position on whether that can be restructured so that he's not the main fund-raiser? >> i think there is a way to do that and i, frankly, outlined over the last week or so a way that paul could do this differently than the way i did. >> what would that be? >> we'll let him decide. >> as you depart and you look back at your time, what message, if any, do you have to the house freedom caucus after they united against you and they did the same against mr. mccarthy despite his own efforts to win their support. what message do you have to them now as we consider running against paul ryan? >> listen, if -- this is not about us. not about us as leaders, not about us as members. our job is to do the right thing for the american people every
day. you've heard me say this multiple times and i'll say it one more time. if you do the right things every day for the right reasons, the right things will happen for our country. thanks. >> john boehner, who sure is enjoying talking about the speakership in the rear-view mirror, in the past tense, talking about the chances of paul ryan becoming the next speaker. we have a number of people to talk about this with us, including, but not limited to, steve kornacki and dan senor, and on the hill we have luke russert whose voice you heard in the questioning and kelly o'donnell who we heard just before they came in there. now, kelly, perhaps we should -- since we last heard from you we should start with you there in the hallway. our viewers who just joined us heard any number of crimes that the president was accused of. >> i believe the speaker is going to be right here. >> mr. speaker, are you confident, sir?
>> how are you? >> classic john boehner. >> there you go. tell us the political backdrop of what we just heard, then we'll get to the speaker's remarks in chief. we did learn a day for this election. >> reporter: yes. so the backdrop is this tension within the republican conference where about three dozen, maybe as many as 40 members who are the most conservative really have had a power base where when they are together in opposition to what the rest of the conference wants, they can stop things. we've seen that happen. in effect, they may have tanked the potential candidacy of kevin mccarthy. they certainly put boehner on the hot seat time and time again. and really hastened his departure from the speakership. so they have a lot to say in this. what paul ryan of wisconsin is looking for, to become the next speaker, to offer himself up, not even yet officially a candidate, he's saying he wants this united front and he'll be meeting with that freedom caucus today, meeting with other parts
of the republican party. then next week, as you heard speaker boehner say, they hope to have their nominee. if it isn't paul ryan, boy, that's another story. because he does have this national image. he's well respected by members. he's been a part of congress for a long time. and has been the kind of person that when he was the nominee to be vice president, they rallied around. so if it's not paul ryan, it really becomes an issue. there is a candidate, dan webster of florida, who is one of the freedom caucus members. but he doesn't have the broader support. so that's where we are. when you heard john boehner speaking in the news conference and here passing by, he keeps an optimistic tone, doesn't want to put a thumb on the scale just yet, brian, because he's seen how it's worked for him. doesn't want to spoil anything for ryan. >> kelly o'donnell, thanks. dan senor, while we were listening and the speaker said the job can be restructured. you agreed. the only problem with that is,
when you're running and you're running for re-election, running for election, speaker of the house looks great on those engraved invitations in your congressional district in cincinnati. so how do you do that? >> well, john boehner has been -- he's put more energy into fund-raising as a speaker than almost any speaker before him, more than nancy pelosi, more than newt gingrich, more than dennis hastert. you could really go way back. certain parts of the job have suffered i think over the years. communication. we have not had a republican leader that's been making the case to the public, making the case for conservative ideas for republican governing agenda. that's something that hasn't been done. paul ryan can focus on that. can he delegate a lot of the fund-raising to other leaders? that's not to say he won't do in he of it. but whether or not he could spread out some of the work so he's not on the road 150 days a year the way john boehner has. over the recess when he was in janesville, ryan spoke a lot to some other members who offered to help and i think they put a lot of thought that could work into how to delegate some of the
fund-raising responsibilities. so it is not to say ryan will never show up. but others will share some of the burden who still have some marquee attraction on those invitations. >> steve kornacki, looking at some conservative media last night, long knives are still out for paul ryan not conservative enough. are we really closer having just witnessed this to a speaker, paul ryan? >> well, so last night in the run-up -- over the last week really you heard a little bit maybe not conservative enough on immigration. what i'm hearing now is specifically from the right, it is this demand he's making that they give up -- they call it the motion to vacate. so basically right now any member of congress at any time can go to the floor and can force a referendum on the speaker. it was the prospect of members of the house freedom caucus doing that to john boehner. it is part of the reason john boehner walked away. they were going to do that. he would probably get the votes to survive. it was going to be uncomfortable though because he was going to force a lot of members into uncomfortable positions where they'd have to go on record voting for him, expose
themselves to criticisms from the right. paul ryan has gone to the freedom caucus and said i want to take that rule away. the freedom caucus right now is having none of it. a number of members came out saying that won't fly. this was put if place by thomas jefferson more than 200 years ago. that's how deep the roots are and the right of any member of congress to do this. ryan will be meeting with the freedom caucus later today to get the endorsement of the freedom caucus. you got to get 80% of their support. 80% of them have to say they're for you. i'm very curie us to see if this is something he gives in on when he talks to them later today. >> first off, he's not saying the motion has to disappear. he's saying it's got to change. it was never intended to be used as a political weapon to make a speaker vulnerable every single week not knowing if he's going to have his job the following week. that's what it's become. that was never its intention. he's saying let's modify it. he hasn't said specifically how,
he's said let's talk about ideas. he's saying the next 16, 17 months are critical. the senate republican majority will be in jeopardy. who knows what house seats of ours will be in jeopardy. we have got to make this place governable. as he said i can handle the knives being thrown at my chest but i can't have them being thrown into my back. i kind of have to now i have a working contract with you all that for the next 16, 17 months i can focus on taking it to obama, taking it to the democrats and making this place work. >> tim russert was sitting down front, now available to us. luke, a lot of republicans have not been happy about this period, about what this gulf says about the party and governance and there is john boehner who wanted very much to just leave the speakership safely, peacefully to someone else and a funny thing happened on his way out. >> reporter: yeah. i think you're touching on a
very important point, brian. for all the talk we have in the media about the freedom caucus and the impact they have made on how the house gop conference operates is the republican party operates, there are in that conference about 200 other members who are very upset that the the freedom caucus, who do not like the direction of the republican party because they feel it has gone too far right and to quote a member i spoke to yesterday, "hijacked." i think that's what we're seeing play out through these deliberations about who will become speaker. now i can tell you in -- i agree a lot of what steve said -- paul ryan getting the job is by no means a slam dunk. he has to reassure these conservative members that he is, a, conservative enough, b, is willing to do a large-scale change to the rules that would be serviceable to them, and lastly, this idea that he be willing to restructure the financing that the speaker usually does through fund-raising. that's a question that boehner got today in the press conference and said, look, i
have some proposals about how to do that. i won't give them all to you. one thing i was struck about though in that press conference, john boehner had four or five opportunities to tee off on the freedom caucus, to tee off on the conservatives that went after him and went after kevin mccarthy. he purposefully did not do it. i think that was a real sort of lifeline to ryan because boehner, the astute politician, knew that if he were to go out there and go against those groups they'd tie him to ryan and make ryan's pursuit of the speakership all that much more miserable. it is going to be a very tight line for ryan to walk between now and thursday. if you're just joining us, the net take-away, what we know today, paul ryan could indeed be the next speaker of the house. he at least is willing to stand in that job. the problem may be be getting there. that's going to consume the next few days. we do have a date, however, for
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listen, i think paul ryan would make a great speaker, but this decision is up to the members and i thought last night went very well and hopefully by the end of the week we'll have a nominee. >> continuing our coverage from the white house on msnbc, i want to bring in contributor and opinion writer for "the washington post," jonathan capehart. what is going on? and is it that ryan is the person that's going to get it on the 28th and on the 29th? >> right. well, look, congressman ryan has made it clear, he is interesting in being speaker but he only wants to be speaker on his terms. and basically if you want to boil it down, speaker ryan is saying i'll be speaker but i'm not going to put up with the nonsense that drove out speaker boehner and that prevented kevin
mccarthy -- >> how do you do that though? >> well, he laid out his conditions. now it is up to the house. this is the clever thing i thought congressman ryan did. he didn't put all the onus on him to make the decision. he said i'm here but it is up to you to tell me that you want me to be the speaker. so if they decide that they don't want him to be speaker, then they have to cast a ballot to figure out who they want to be speaker of the house. look at that calendar. 28th they nominate the person to be speaker, the 29th the person is elected. the 30th john boehner's john. november 3rd, a few days later, we hit the debt ceiling. there is a huge problem facing the country with less than a week in terms of business days to get the work done and there's no leader in the house of representatives to do their half of the work. >> this is separate from the cr that runs out in december. >> correct. the question of the debt ceiling is indfinitel lly more serious
the potential shutting down of the government in december. >> why? tell me the difference. >> the full faith and credit of the united states on the 3rd would be in jeopardy, would be destroyed if we crash through the debt ceiling. this is basically the united states government saying we're not going to lift our legal limit on borrowing so that we can pay our bills for things that congress has already purchased. not new spending, nothing that anything you hear from the far right say. it's about paying our bills. and if the united states does not pay its bills, if the united states govern does not -- and only congress can do it -- does no the raise the debt ceiling, the full faith and credit of the united states is destroyed. then no one knows exactly what will happen because never in the 240-year history of this country has that happened. >> jonathan, just switching over to the talk about vice president joe biden possibly becoming a be candidate in the democratic party for the presidency. he's been evolving on some issues, the issue specifically
he brought up yesterday is on his involvement in the killing of bin laden and his suggestion and recommendations to the president. >> yes. and we've been playing on our air all day when he said yesterday, what he said in 2012, what he said to the "new york times," what he said on "meet the press." this is -- the whole situation of trying to figure out what vice president biden is doing. if you look at what he said about bin laden, sort of the veiled swipe at hillary clinton when it comes to "enemies," it sounds like he's running. but the signs of him actually running, is there staff on the ground in iowa and new hampshire? does he have fund-raisers? there's none of that. so who knows what the vice president is going to do? >> jonathan, thanks for being here. >> sure. a sobering new report released this morning on economic state of the latino community in the united states. accord being to the report by congress' joint economic committee, 1 in 3 people in the united states will be latino by the year 2060 and less than four years from now in the year 2019,
the purchasing power of the latino community is expected to reach $1.7 trillion. that's trillion, with a "t." despite all of its economic factors, more than 13 million latinos fell below the poverty line last year. the latino unemployment rate is actually higher than the national arch. with me to discuss the report, congresswoman carolyn maloney. >> jose, we missed you and this report tells us we are all going to have to learn spanish by 2060. 1 in 3 will be latino in this country. >> why was it important for your committee to put this report together? >> it's important to know where you stand and what you need to do. the slogan of our country is eple
pluribus uunum. we are one. what i found similarly positive is an hispanic is 1.5 times more likely to be an entrepreneur. you see this particularly with latino women, the fastest growing segment of women-owned businesses are latina women businesses and they are expanding at six times the national average. i find that very positive. what was very encouraging was the second generation, how the second generation has achieved a very high educational level with 75% graduating from high school and over 18% graduating from college. much higher than the world average for hispanics. this translates of course into greater income for the family, greater net worth for the family. there's still challenges because of the property rate. they're 20% more likely to be in poverty, but they're climbing out of it in a very, very fast way. i found the report uplifting but
it also pointed out where we need to work on the wage gap, work on the net worth gap and continue going forward. >> congresswoman, let's talk about that, particularly when it comes to latina women. your report states that latina women make 55 cents for every $1 a non-hispanic white man makes. that's less than the overall percentage of the gender gap. what can be done on that? >> well, personally, i think we should go back to basics and paps the equal rights amendment. equal means equal. equal opportunity for men and women in this country. if tur's not evwomen are not ev mentioned in the constitution. i think it is time to change that. there are other bills that you can put in place, but it is a long, slow drive. but what is encouraging, maybe it is this wage gap challenge that latina women face that so many of them are becoming entrepreneurs. they're not relying on a wage.
they're starting their own businesses. six times faster than the national average. that shows a lot of leadership and energy and intelligence and drive. they're just jumping through that wage gap. >> congresswoman, i have often liked to point out that every month in the united states, 53,000 u.s.-born latinos turn 18 years of age in the united states. that shows you the youth of the latino population but also the fact that at the can be a big participant in this country's future and they need to get, among other things, more involved in politic and in how their future is forged in this country. >> absolutely. this report shows that the hispanics -- i'd say everybody in this country -- should study the candidates and where they stand on the issues that are important. on wages. we want to raise the minimum wage. we want immigration reform. we want educational
opportunities and the ability to be able to afford education in this country. we want to be able to gauge who's working to give the working men and women the hispanics and others more opportunity to grow the pie and grow the economic opportunity and vote for those people. >> that's right. congresswoman, as we speak here in english this morning on msnbc, to bone up on your spanish, all you have to do is tune in to telemundo every day at 6:30 p.m. because i do it in spanish and we can both brush up on our spanish. that's the future. we have to know all of these things. >> if you just look at the number of spanish programs that the media now put out. i can remember when i was first elected to congress there was like one show in new york. now there are so many shows that you can't keep up with them. so you have to know spanish in new york and you have to know spanish in this country. 1 in 3 americans will be spanish
speaking, will be of hispanic heritage by the year 2016. that's startling growth. >> great to see you. thanks so much for being with me. >> we miss you. >> see you this evening on telemundo. that wraps up this hour on msnbc live from the white house. thank you for the privilege of your time. tamron hall is up next. ridiculous number of miles... or there's a fee to use them. i know. it's so frustrating. they'd be a lot happier with the capital one venture card. and you would, too! why? it's so easy with venture. you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. just book any flight you want then use your miles to cover the cost. now, that's more like it. what's in your wallet? ...are taking charge of their acrotype 2 diabetes...... ...with non-insulin victoza®. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar.
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we'll bring you the latest on that story. but good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. developing now -- speaker john boehner announced in the past half-hour house republicans will choose a nominee to replace him next wednesday, and the full house will vote next thursday. he also said he expects congressman paul ryan to be elected speaker. >> listen, i think paul is going to get the support that he is looking for, that he laid out a very clear vision of how he would run the speakership. and i thought the members responded very well to it. >> speaker boehner's comments came after house republicans met again this morning to consider congressman ryan's offer to step up and take the position. but only if certain specific conditions are met. ryan set those conditions out in a meeting last night with republicans. >> first, we need to move from an opposition party to being