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hillary's best week ever. between mor good morning. we'll bring you the highlights of rachel maddow's exclusive interview with hillary clinton in just a moment. but first we want to take you to mexico where the pacific coast of that country is weathering the strongest hurricane ever recorded to make landfall. hurricane patricia made landfall as a category 5 storm.
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it's now weakened to a hurricane 1, but it is still a very dangerous storm. msnbc meteorologist bonnie schneider joins us now. >> this is what it looked like a category 5. imagine it going from a tropical storm to the category 5 in just 24 hours. that's exactly what patricia today when it made landfall yesterday evening and now the storm is breaking up a bit which is good s in what is happening as it continues to work its way onshore. really what we're looking at, let's zoom into the area and you can see some of the clouds are starting to break up a bit as we go throughout much of the satellite perspective into the region. so overall, what we're looking at are some improvements in the forecast for mexico, but first we'll have to get through unfortunately this. can we zoom in right here into puerto vallata? i want to show that you luckiw
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the region did not see he as much sensity as we could have seen. we can show the track and what we're looking at is definitely the storm working its way onshore and we'll see some improvements there eventually. so there we go. okay. so there is the track for saturday. and you can see that by the time we get to saturday afternoon, the storm becomes a lot weaker. so that is good news. here we are at the current conditions, we have 75-mile-an-hour winds. still a category 1. so going from category 5 to category 1. north north eeasterly movement d it will be something to keep in mind as we go toward. so we're watching for this and we're checking things out into texas, as well.ftoward. so we're watching for this and we're checking things out into texas, as well.oward. so we're watching for this and we're checking things out into texas, as well.rward. so we're watching for this and we're checking things out into texas, as well. houston will see a big threat for rainfall going forward, possibly up to 8 inches. >> thanks. and now to the presidential race where the three surviving democratic candidates are in
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iowa take. for the most important political event before the state's caucuses. that's the jefferson jackson dinner in des moines tonight where hillary clinton will cap off what must count as the best week of her campaign so far. first, vice president joe biden decided not to run for president on wednesday. eliminating her biggest threat. and then late thursday night, clinton emerged unscathed from 11 hours of testimony before the house select committee on benghazi. we'll have much more on that later in the hour. but before clinton made her way back to the campaign trail yesterday, she sat down with rachel maddow and she revealed how she plans to move forward in today's political climate. >> i will go anywhere, talk to anybody, anytime, to try to find common ground, to try to achieve our national objectives. but i'll also stand my ground. >> joining us now from iowa, site of tonight's jefferson jackson dinner, is political
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reporter alex seitz-wald. also perry bacon jr. and beth foohey both of the whom covered hillary clinton during her 2008 campaign. thanks for joining us this morning. so i want to start out with rachel's interview with hillary clinton because i think we're beginning to get a sense of how hillary clinton deals with the future, what kind of scenario she'd be like as a president but also how she deals with her husband's past, as well. let's start with how she dealt with the questions about defense of marriage act and "don't ask, don't tell." >>? a lot of ways doma was a line that was drawn that was to prevent going further. >> a defensive action. >> it was a defensive action. "don't ask, don't tell" is something that bill promised during the '92 campaign to let gays serve openly in the military. and it's what he intended do.
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it was the most astonishing overreaction, but by the military, by the congress, and so "don't ask, don't tell" again became a defensive line. so i'm not in any way excusing them. i'm explaining them. >> alex, let's start but you. i'm not in anyway excusing them, i'm explaining them. we often think about how hillary has to deal with the obama presidency. how has she tried to tip toe her way through her husband's presidency? >> yeah, it's a great question. there is a lot of good things from the bill clinton legacy for her and also a lot of less good things. the economy is obviously in the good camp. but for democratic party today in 2015, "don't ask, don't tell," dodoma, the 9 1994 crime bill are not good things for her to deal with. she has to straddle the balance between taking the good things while also sayingare not good t
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deal with. she has to straddle the balance between taking the good things while also saying i'm not running for a third pill clinton term, i'm running for high omy term. so i think this is a danger when you've been in national politics for 25 years as she has, she has a long record here, she's evolved just like a lot of the rest of the party. but the good thing going for her, if you're going to flip-flop on an issue, you want to flop in the right direction and she has. so she won't catch as much flack from say the gay rights groups as she would if she had voted in the opposite direction. >> perry, i want to play you sound which gets to the issue about where does she position herself in relation to the obama legacy. let's start out with vice president biden and then go to rachel's interview. >> democrats should not only defend this record and protect this record, sthee run on the record. i don't think we should look at republicans as our enemy.
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they are our opposition. they're not our enemies. and for the sake of the country, we have to work together. >> i want to build on the progress that they are leaving behind. i feel very strongly about that. i want to go further, but i think the real point of this election is whether or not the republicans will be able to turn the clock back and rip away the progress that has been made. >> so perry, it does sound like she listened to joebiden, that she will be running on the obama/biden record. >> i don't know what biden was saying in the first place on sha some level. clinton over and over again in the debate said i support president obama, i agree with his record. she was asked where do you differ from obama and she wouldn't give a real answer versus bernie sanders criticized him, said economic growth wasn't strong enough, said the wealthy are getting too much. so i do think clinton is already running on the obama record in a
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lot of ways. i do think the thing that she might change is if you notice with rachel maddow, she didn't repeat that enemies line. i think vice president biden did point out that calling your option enemies is probably unwise and i expect she won't say that in the future. >> and she did that in the last debate about that one area, bet, where she has one has been about a foreign policy specifically about syria. one thing very interesting from rachel maddow's interview about no-fly zones in particular. >> part of the reason that i have proposed a no-fly zone as a coalition effort, not a united states solo understand, is to have conversations with the russians at the table. because the goal of any no-fly zone is not only to provide safe areas for syrians so they don't have to be fleeing or continue to be bombed by assad supported now by the russian, but to get some leverage to get everybody
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at the table to try to creates a much of a cease-fire including the assad forces with the russians and iran krian, as wel. i think the no-fly zone which the turks have asked for for a long time and humanitarian organizations have is a device as well as a potential outcome to see how we get people to the table and the russians would be certainly warned. there has been military discussions now to as they say deconflict air space. >> beth, this has been a complicated situation for the obama administration, a heated debate inside the white house. even more complicated now with the russians involved. she's clearly putting a bright line between herself and where the president is. it's not easy to take american voters never hipd the department of defense here, but it's something she's sticking herself to. >> she has to. her legacy in foreign policy is
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twin to his because she was his first secretary of state four years, so she can't really step too far away. on the other happened, president obama's weakest polling is on foreign policy because of the upheaval in the middle east, tensions with putin, china, et cetera. so she really doesn't have to step away and say i'll be better at it. and her interview showed her command of the issues. no republican that she will potentially run against in 2016 will be able to speak with the fluidity on foreign policy that she can. >> and it's unfinished business with president obama. so there is no real down side among democratic voters, is there? >> certainly not on this. it's an opportunity for her to show her mastery on these issues which is unparalleled frankly. >> alex, in iowa, the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll gives her a commanding lead.
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58% against bernie sanders 33%. of course there were some very strong polls back in 2007 and 8 this terms of where hillary clinton was beating then senator obama. but are you hearing these polls from the clinton campaign saying look how strong we are? >> right. well, the campaign is trying to be very careful here. they know that this has been an unusually good week and they're trying not to get used to it. i was talking to a senior official yesterday who was joking that we in the press are saying nice things now, but next week or the week after that will probably turn around and after suffering through the summer, they have learned to try to mostly ignore us whether that's smart or not. but there is no doubt that's with a siniowa since day one, t think if they can win here through superior organization, through outmaneuvering bernie sander, that they can head into new hampshire where bernie
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sanders has been strong and even if he wins there, they can kind of write it off as, well, he's from vermont, it's a native sun status and they have already secured iowa and you've on to south carolina, where they will be much stronger regardless of what happens. so that is why iowa is so important thargs's why tonight is so important. just to my right there have been dozens of activists with the hillary clinton campaign getting ready, organizing. they have signs up. they really want to show a strong show of support here and send a signal to bernie sanders that he better step it up if he's going to compete. >> thank you for that. please stick around. much more on hillary up ahead. the latest on hurricane patricia is coming up as the storm continues to push further inland. and next, hillary clinton is facing a very familiar owe pppp in 2016. we'll explain. why do so many people choose aleve?
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now to the state where without joe biden as a competitor, hillary clinton's biggest opponent is now her own performance almost eight years ago. clinton simply must to better than the 8 point defeat she suffered last time in iowa. back then, her campaign began to show cracks in the fall of 2007 when clinton's team focused on traditional caucusgoers and devoted insufficient resources to organizers on the ground which led to this demonstration of organizational strength and popular appeal, a marching band leading thousands of people to the site of the jefferson jackson dinner in des moines all in support of a certain young senator from illinois. >> when i am this party's nominee, my opponent will not be able to say that i voted for the
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war in iraq or that i gave george bush the benefit of the doubt on iran. or that i support bush/cheney policies of not talking to leaders that we don't like. i am not in this race to fulfill some some long held ambitions or because i believe it's somehow owed to me. i never expected to be here. i always knew this journey was improbable. i've never been on a journey that wasn't. >> that's a young looking barack obama talking about his future secretary of state. fast forward to iowa today where democrats will be caucusing in 99 days and the newest polling from there shows clinton now leading bernie sanders by ten points. but iowa is where clinton's new campaign strategy will be put to the test. it's where she returns again to
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that jefferson jackson dinner tonight as the democratic frontrunner. and she's made it clear that this time will be different. >> i'm here to ask for your help. i'm not taking a single primary or caucus for granted. i'm building an organization in all 50 states including alabama. >> beth fouhy, you and i were both there at the jefferson jackson dinner in iowa. what did it feel like for you in the room? >> well, it felt like a huge miscalculation by the clinton team. at that point she was well ahead of barack obama in iowa at that point in the race and then suddenly this most important event of the fall, she was outmanned, outgunned. he did everything right. even the prailays place that th the hall was the right place to sit. let's face it, he gave the best speech of the whole campaign at
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that point. barack obama was good at building toward an outcome. he built toward that outcome. barack obama is capable of giving the bad speech and up until that point, he hadn't thrilled anybody. but that speech he gave it. and the clinton wasn't able to pivot and take advantage of her strengths which was persistent popularity in the polls. and she never really regained her footing as you know. >> and it was interesting that he actually never referred to her by name in that speech, but he obviously twisted the knife as we heard. not unlike hillary clinton's benghazi committee hearing where she was diplomatic but still forceful. i thought it was a very skillful moment. >> and bernie sanders tonight will probably try do the same thing. he doesn't usually mention her name, but he likes to stake out the differences between himself
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and the trochbts rfrontrunner. and bernie sanders does not have the same strength that barack obama did in iowa 7 years ago. >> perry, you were there, too, covering hillary clinton all those years ago. do you have a sense that's with a was not really going according to plan, that the organization wasn't quite there? >> yeah, you knew that she was going to challenge because not only was obama doing well, but also john edwards. hillary finished in third. and had some sense then. that clip with her in alabama is important. i think as much as she lost iowa and that didn't help, it also hurt that she wasn't well organized in the other states throughout the primary process and pobama won all those caucuses. that's a huge difference. up for now the clinton staff has said they are really organizing in all the states. they won't get blown out of caucuses. they know the rules better.
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and they're courting superdelegates. also bernie sanders is not black, so that will be a big factor going forward, she has a huge advantage with minority voters. >> alex, you're in iowa. i want to play with you a c contrast then and now. >> you know what, change -- change is just a word. if you don't have the strength and experience to make it happen. well, fortunately, i have a little experience standing up and fighting for what i believe is right and what i think america needs and how we can get there together. >> and you deserve, you deserve a nominee and a president with the solutions and the determination to actually make a difference in your lives and in our country's future. because at the end, this
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campaign stdoesn't belong to me it belongs to you and the millions of americans we're fighting for. >> solutions not strength and experience. different tone, right? >> right. i mean, on one hand there are some similarities in that she is saying to democrats i like bernie sanders, it's nice that he's exciting the crowd, but i'm somebody who can actually get stuff done. a very big difference from 2008, she's not ideologically positioning herself to the right of bernie sanders. she's trying to position herself almost to the left on some issues especially on gun control which is a huge part of her stump speeches lately. so she's saying if you vote for me, you get everything that you would get with bernie sander, but i will actually deliver it for you. i will actually beat the republican in november, i will go to congress, i will work with congress and the impolice it messages, we all know that this democratic socialist isn't going to be able to get it done. and another big difference, bernie sanders is not barack obama, he doesn't seem as
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potentially presidential and she's playing into that subtly of course, but while she was more direct with obama in 2008, she's much more implicit now, kind of hugging bernie sanders to death and just promising that she can be a better standard bearer for the party than the other guy who she won't mention. >> i can't wait to see what happens tonight in iowa. my thanks to alex, perry and beth. thank you. we are tracking hurricane patricia as she bears down on mexico. we'll go there live on the other side of the break to see how the pacific coast is fairing. we're also going to go live to texas which is already dealing with some of the worst flooding in the state's history. and things could get even worse with patricia on the way. you focus on making great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you, helping with the questions you need answered to get your brand new business started.
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what's it looking like? >> reporter: good morning. things are looking a lot better, the storm has weakened quite a bit. it's now considered a category one storm around 75 mile. so as quickly takes strengthened, it weakened rather quickly once it hit land. the big question right now, just how stens suffextensive is the . overnight mexico's president says at first reports indicate the damage is not as extensive as many might have feared, still they have not been able to look up and down the entire coast. this storm hit the hardest part of the storm, most powerful part of it appeared to hit some of the most isolated area, which is good news, but there are a lot of fishing villages in the areas so they will have to try to get in there with daylight. but as far as two of the more populated areas, manzanillo, portuerto vallata, we have seen
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trees down and flooded roads. so far no reports of any major damage where a lot of people were forced to hunker down because so many flights were canceled. so at this point, good news in those areas. and a lot of relief everywhere. but mexico's president is warning people not to let their guard down, this is still an extremely dangerous situation. often with hurricanes, there are still a number will of problems with flooding and mudslides. and that is what people will want to keep an eye out for. >> that is a big relief. thanks for joe fryer in eixtapa. meanwhile hurricane patricia is threatening flooding in texas. charles hadlock is live in dallas. >> reporter: good morning. the texans are waking up once again to the threat of more rain. it's been raining now for about the last 12 hours if he hsteadyn dallas. the trinity river is beginning to swell. dallas has received about 5 to 7
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inches of rain over the last 24 hour period. but just to the southeast of us in the town of corsicana has received nearly 18 inches of rain. the interstate there that goes through town, interstate 45, has been inundated on both sides north and southbound lanes. traffic was backed up for miles. the freeway is just now get back open again. but all eyes are looking to the southwest. that's where the remnants of hurricane patricia are expected to move along the texas coast. the rain that we're getting here in texas is part of another system, but as the two mingle together over the state of texas, the fear is that there could be more flooding. that's why emergency management people are in their offices today in houston and in galveston and also in other cities along the texas coast waiting to see exactly what patricia is going do once it getting out of mexico. >> a huge a water. thanks to charles hadlock. still ahead, the political storm
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(vo) go national. go like a pro. former secretary of state hillary clinton weathered more than eight hours of aggressive questioning during thursday's testimony before the house select committee on benghazi. republicans intended yet again to find fault with her handling of security in the diplomatic mission in benghazi where four americans were sadly killed in 2012. but their efforts largely fell flat as a poised clinton took question after question. as day turned to night, the former secretary of state momentarily lost her voice but still maintained her composure. >> excuse me. >> did you need some water, ma' ma'am? would you like us to take a 60
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second, two minute break? >> no. let me grab a lozenge. so congressman, i have the utmost confidence this both of them. >> doesn't need nip's helping, thank you. the only real fireworks of the day were between democrats an republicans on the committee like this exchange when elijah cummings tried to make public the system of sydney blumenthal, a clinton confidant. >> we'll take that up -- >> they have informed thaws we have a right to recorded vote on that motion. you know, you -- you ask the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth. that's what we want to have. let the world see it. >> why is it that you only want mr. blumenthal's transcript
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released? >> i'd like to have all of them released. >> the survivor, even their names? >> cummings was in the spotlight again seven hours later calling out the committee as a partisan attempt to sully the former secretary of state. >> i don't know what we want from you. do we want to badger you over and over again until you get tired until we get the gotcha moment that you're talkiear he' about. >> >> this is how an emotional secretary clinton responded. >> thank you, congressman. i said came here because i said i would. and i've done everything i know to do as has the people with whom i worked and tried to answer your questions. i cannot do any more than that. and i recognize that there are
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many currents at work in this committee, but i can only hope that the statesmanship overcomes the partisanship. >> when it was all over, committee chairman tray gowdy was asked what new information the hearing revealed. >> in terms of her testimony, i don't know that she testified that much differently today than she has previous times she's testified. i'd have to go back and look at the transcript. >> joining me now, david brock founder of correct the record. good morning. >> thanks for having me. >> so you've been in the trempgs of these things for a very long time. we heard trey gowdy say they didn't come up with much after all of these questions. what is it about the clintons and the the republicans' attitudes to the clintons that drive these kinds of exhaustive investigations that appear not to yield a whole the lot?
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>> well, i think if you go back to when secretary clinton left office in 2013, republicans knew they didn't want to run against hillary in november of '16. so you had a number of organizations formed in the spring of 2013 and the strategy was the second thing they knew, they couldn't really get at her on an issue, so they settled on a strategy of character the attacks and that's what we've seen for really 2 1/2 years now. and benghazi is the center piece of that. >> all the document dumps and everything else and they don't go anywhere. so why not try something different? it you want to attract her character, there are a lot of ways without committees and subpoenas. it seems like they're obsessed or fascinated with this kind of hunt.stined to repeat the scandals of the '90s and it
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ended with president clinton with sky high approval ratings. but, you know, old habits die hard and they always think they will find the magic bullet. you don't know whether to laugh or cry. >> so they will have to explain what they thought was the magic bullet which they thought was sydney blumenthal. many people don't have a clue who he is or what role he played, but i want to listen to this sound because i think your organization comes up. let's listen. >> they worked for the clinton foundation. >> that's correct. sgl he worked for media matters. >> i'm sure he did. >> he worked for correct the record. >> i'm sure he did. >> when you were asked about sydney blumenthal, you said he was an old friend. >> uh-huh. >> who sent you unsolicited
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e-mails which you passed on in some instances because you wanted to hear from people outside what you called the bubble. we will ignore for a second whether or not the sydney plume hall is outside the bubble. >> so explain. what did sydney blumenthal do, who is he and why are they so obsessed with him? >> he's a longtime friend to the clinton and he was an adviser to bill clinton during his second term. and he is now a colleague of mine, a friend ever miof mine ft 15, 16 year. so i think what the republican theory here is, there was a lot of e-mail traffic between the secretary and sydney blumenthal and it seems like what they're trying to correct is that sydney had played some role in starting the war in libya and was going to profit from it somehow which is november sense. but the telling part is that the chairman asked -- we coded 18
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questions about benghazi and 36 about sydney plume hablumenthal. and i think when he used the first round of questions, he lost a lot of the press because it seemed like a tangent. that he knew nothing about benghazi. he certainly wasn't what they tried to claim the chief adviser on libya. so it's all fabrication. >> all right. david, stay with us. the benghazi committee may not have heard much new during thursday's hearing, but how much of what they discussed was actually true? we'll do a little fact check on the other side of this break. and later, an omelette half i can't. why the feds are investigation fwa gatding the egg lobby. apparently that's a thing. whats happening here. because there's something out there something better and bigger than here
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can didn't drop any new bombshells. republican members of the committee certainly tried their hardest to paint hillary clinton into a corner. trey gowdy had a tough time answering the question of what his committee had uncovered. after all the documents and questions, as we saw time and again on thursday, the presidential candidate definitely steered clear of any of the gop's traps. but if you happened to be on the internet yesterday as i was, some on the right would have you believe this was not the case. exhibit a, if you stumbled on you could read about hillary clinton's five biggest lies. after reviewing all 8:17 of the testimony, not including the breaks, we thought it would be a good idea to disentangle the biggest misconceptions, separate fact from fiction and conduct our own myth busting of the benghazi hearing this morning with our panel. i want to introduce victoria
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defrancesca, and dominic from the heart land institute. david brock is back with us. good morning to you all. >> good morning. >> victoria, i want to start out with you. fact check number one. the claim that hillary clinton lost interest in libya as evidenced by her e-mails. let's listen. >> this pile represents the e-mails that you september or received about libya from february to questions of 2011. this pile represents the e-mails you sent or received from early 2012 until the day of at it tack. there are 795 e-mails in this pile. there are 67 e-mails in this pile in 2012.
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and i'm troubled pie what i see here. >> and then hillary clinton says congressman, you know that she didn't conduct her business by e-mail. let's take it as a real representation. what kind of measure is that as a fact check? >> first thing that came to mind is quantity does not equal quality. and i thought that was such a flimsy argument that the committee put forward to say this is what we saw in terms of e-mails for 2011 and this is what we saw for 2012. how about the content. doctor don't we look at what was going on with that communication. and then beyond that, look was what going on in person to person communication. so i just thought it was it was a red herring.
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if they would have gotten to the tent, that would have been a different story. s . >> do you think there is something in it? >> i to. the problem is the actual critique that the helps have of hillary clinton is actually about policy. it's not this scandal conversation. it's overall was the libya policy, was the libya move which you pushed the right move. i don't think that's necessarily that you conduct in a congressional investigation. that's an argument that you have in front ever the voters. and this is something that i think that is another example there where it's like the amount of e-mail that you receive on an issue is not a scandal either here or there. rust indicative of how engaged you are with an issue and that's a political conversation, not a scandal. let's turn to facts check number two. the claim that the obama administration intentionally misled the american people about what caused the attack. let's listen to jim jordan and what he said. >> you picked the video
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narrative. you picked the one with no evidence and you did it because libya was supposed to be this great success story for the obama white house and clinton state department. >> i wrote a whole chapter about this in my book "hard choices." because i think the insinuations that you're making to a grave disservice to the hard work that people in the state department, intelligence community, the defense department, the white house can it during the course of some very confusing and difficult days. there is no doubt in a my nipd that we did the best we could with the information that we had at the time. >> we've both been in the white house. >> yes. >> and intentionally misleading the american people is a grave charge. do you feel looking back that you were intentionally misled about the events of benghazi? >> well, being there for as long
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as we have and seening what we've seen and understanding how intelligence is compiled at first, and i think one of the things that we were caught up at that time was the fact that everyone wanted information immediately and that was a big problem. and when you start compiling information, it's just that, it's information. you never go off of that first bit of information and the did unfortunately. you have to analyze it. i've talked to generals, people who sit on certain committees in the house when it comes to intel again intelligence. it's just that, information. and i believe they went off too soon because people wanted information. four muamericans died. so they went knee jerk to that. but if they would have waited to have gotten information, analyzed the information, what had happened, i don't think they would have gone off talking about the video at first. >> that's a fair point.
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mishandling the press is a mistake, but it's not intentionally misleading the american people. >> there was no deliberate effort to mislead. there is basically a conspiracy theory underneath this. when in fact what they were going off was what the intelligence community was finding. president obama good refer to an act of terror. you could have said it might have been better for them to have gotten to the right c conclusion quicker, but there was a lot of conflicting information and that's what eight investigations have found. >> and it did involve cia complex. so we can understand the full story wasn't out immediately. fact check number three, secretary clinton didn't care about the human costs. let's hear what she had to say. >> i would imagine i've thought more about what happened than all of you put together.
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i've lost more sleep than all of you put together. i have been wraking my brain about what more could have been done or should have been done. >> if they were trying to present hillary clinton as unfeeling and uncaring, didn't exactly work out that way. >> look, congressional hearings of this kind simply don't work. they don't work for the people who are trying to put someone in this -- on the spot. members of congress are not very good at being prosecutorial when it comes to asking questions. they're more in favor of giving speeches and things of that nature. i think in this context once again we see a situation where you have this big build up to a hearinged a then the witness turns in to a sympathetic figure. they have the opportunity to seem competent and states man like and sears and members of congress are just taking spot shots at her. >> and we also see the human side of the person so it's easy to have the rhetoric that
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hillary clinton doesn't have the loss of human life. but when she's sitting there at the table with the spotlight on her and she's asked this question and you see the emotion in her, you can't deny that she does not care about -- >> we'll sadly have to leave it there. thanks to david brock for joining us. panel stick around. still ahead, all sign as appear to be pointing to the new speaker of the house named paul ryan. we'll talk to someone who knows him better than anyone about what kind of speaker paul ryan will be. and next who did president obama say reminds him of the internet's grumpy cat? those details right ahead. here at humana, we value sticking with things. when something works, people stick with it. more people stick with humana medicare advantage. because we stick with them. humana medicare advantage.
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there is a lot going on this morning so let's get caught up quickly on some of the other headlines. first of all, obama's speech at the dnc forum yesterday, he called out republicans, you'll be surprised, for seeming down on america and he made this face when he compared them to grumpy
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cat. that's not a bad fwrgrumpy cat, it? >> pretty good. >> he has a human side of him. >> he has his own blacklackberr. >> can you get it on a blackberry? >> his, yes. >> more seriously, the guard yanukovych, usda scrambles to investigate egg lobby as ceo resigns. the american egg board aggressively sought to undermine this company, the egg free mayonnaise company. >> i'm entirely in favor of min an mayonnaise, but you see the
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down side of this upstart company. this is a good example of cronyism at work. >> i think there is probably a bipartisan consensus. would you eat egg-freeman ntrs mayonnaise? >> yes. what's wrong with it? >> and miracle whip. >> a lot of people can't do soy or certain things. >> talking of processed food, this story from news day. cheese addiction versus drug addiction. according to a new study, united states national rye braer of food, processed food has a fast rate of absorption and higher level of sugar and fat the mored a decreaaddictive they are. the most addictive was pizza. >> i'm guilty. >> it's designed to be addictive. >> and when you're depressed, what do you do? get the cheese. >> and the cake, too. when i go to the sxr s the sxr
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can paul ryan do the impossible? thanks for staying with with us this saturday morning. we have lots to get to this morning. we'll talk to a former member of congress who can shed some light on how paul ryan may handle taking on the speakership and the insurgent freedom caucus. plus california's lieutenant
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governor gary newsome is here to tell us how he's pushing for tough new gun reform in his state. but first we did go to mexico where patricia, the strongest hurricane ever recorded, has now been downgraded to a trpopical storm. the storm made landfall last night and bonnie schneider joins us. >> and what a difference a day makes. we had will ththis massive stor landfall, a category 5, but now a tropical storm. so the winds have really weakened, all e the way down to5 miles per hour. the movement is still rapid and pressure is rising. so that is good news. this will storm will go down in history as the fastest pressure drop we've ever seen with a storm. so keep that in mind. at landfall, this storm was so intense that the pressure dropped from thursday to friday all the way at 100 millibars. that's never happened before in the western hemisphere.
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but what is next for this big storm storm? well, it is weakening and we are anticipating to continue to weaken. but we still have a lot of rain to deal with. what about texas? this is fascinating because we not only have patricia coming into play, but gulf moisture coming in, as well. these red boxes you see here, these are all flash flood warnings and it does include the city of austin which has already received quite a bit of rain and waco shattered a record yesterday. so you have areas that are completely saturateded. corsicana, over a foot of rain. so more is coming. and that will naturally lead to flooding. this is our target that we're watching very closely over the next day or so. houston doesn't look that bad right now, but our commute ecom models are forecasting a lot of rain for houston. all the way up to another 6.5 inches. and when you're looking at some of these parts of texas, for the past month or so, they didn't get any rain and to get so much all at once will make a huge
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difference. so we're watching for the rain threat as well as into port arthur, beaumont, even lake charles, louisiana, this is one to watch over the next few days. >> that is a lot of rain. turning now to the season appractice thap propen practice oig that is the search for a new house speaker. word late thursday paul ryan will run for the position. wisconsin congressman and chairman of the house ways and means committee has said in an e-mail to colleagues that this was a job he never thought he'd seek writing i never thought eye be speaker, but i pledge to you that if i could be a unifying figure then i would serve. i would go all in. it's yet to be seen if ryan can be a unifying figure. he's received a vote of support from the freedom caucus, though the group of conservative hard liners continue fully endorse ryan. but he's backed down there one of his demands agreeing to delay talks about reforming a procedural motion used to oust a house speaker. so can paul ryan be a unifying
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figure for republicans, can he be a unifying figure for this fractious party at this time? we're joined by a congressman from ohio. good morning. so i want to play you something that paul ryan said tuesday night. let's listen to it now. >> we need to move from an opposition party to being a proposition party. because we think the nation is on the wrong path, we have a duty to show the right one. our next speaker has to be a visionary one. >> it feels like paul ryan has been a propositional politician for quite some time. he's proposed policy and budget ideas. doesn't the speaker need to do more? you have to build voting coalitions and get people together. does he have those skills? >> well, i think he'd be the first to admit that he has to
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make a transition between running a committee and he's run two, the budget committee and now the ways and means committee which takes a certain skillset that he's good at to be a member and in this case the leader of the house republican conference. i think that he would be happy to admit that he has to learn this as a skill. but i think that the way that he wind in and handled this fact that he doesn't want the job, i mean i don't think anybody that is sane that would want the job, but he said i will do it because i'm being begged if these things fall into place. and that's the way to handle it. some people would give their eye teeth to be the sperks aker, tot step into the role, that wouldn't solve anything. >> you made the point that no one sane would want the job. let's listen to what paul ryan had to say that was critical of his own party. >> all of us are representatives
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of the people. all peel. we been enterrorirusted by then lead and yet the people we search, they do not feel that we are delivering on the job that they hired us to do. we have become the problem. >> we have become the problem. how does speaker ryan solve that problem? >> well, he solves the problem by moving forward going back to your earlier quote propositions. one of the problems of the republican conference and apparently his is that it's easy just to say no. people voted over 50 times to repeal obama care. it happened again yesterday on reconciliation. i think what he's saying is that it's incumbent to put forward ideas. so not enough just to say no obama care. no obamacare that he said what? the then what has been missing
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consistently and his criticism is leveled at those who just want to tear down the institution instead of moving it forward. >> how do you feel about the prospect of paul ryan not just satisfying the freedom caucus, but unifying the party? >> it's fascinating how the tea party get what is they want but then they're never happy about it. i think this is what is happening with paul ryan right now. the dream caucus effectively scalped speaker boehner, they treated kevin manage mccarthy like a sad clown. they're not particularly happy about paul ryan, but he's also someone who views the freedom caucus as i thinka sad clown. they're not particularly happy about paul ryan, but he's also someone who views the freedom caucus as i thinksad clown. they're not particularly happy about paul ryan, but he's also someone who views the freedom caucus as i think you ought to like a quarterback dealing with wide receiver who keeps demanding the ball. they want to be able to take the
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ball to go to the floor to get a few of the votes that they want and i think he will give to them. >> is there going to be maybe a small window where speaker ryan can actually get something done maybe even with this white house? is. >> i don't know because he's coming in already talking certain things. he's alreadys. >> i don't know because he's coming in already talking certain things. he's already. >> i don't know because he's coming in already talking certain things. he's already >> i don't know because he's coming in already talking certain things. he's already -- they want paren that will leave and he's a man who made it clear i'm coming in kick and screaming because of peer pressure, i will do in because you you view me as the new political rock star, i'm coming, but i won't give up my family time and the obama administration wants family leave. they want certain things very liberal for all people and paul ryan is saying no to certain thing. so i think he will come in trying to be totally different than john boehner because john bay poehner was able to comprom. for the president to say that we liked him with what he did even though he caused some discontent in the white house at time, they don't want for have someone who
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is perceived like john boehner to work with the white house. and i think paul ryan is that person for him. >> and you're in texas where you have strong conservative caucuses that can pull the central part of the party to the right and maintain a hard line all the way through. does the freedom caucus have staying power, will it prmly be a thorn in his side? >> it will be a tough job for speaker ryan and i liked your piece about the quarterback analogy, but i just think it will be too difficult because of that power that the freedom caucus has. the structural elements of the conservatism of the congress remain. we still have that. and if anything, i think it will pull further to the right because we will see more of the trump effect and we'll go further and further to the right and i think paul ryan will have
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a tough job of bringing them together. >> but it's about structural reform. what the free caucus wants is for congress to behave differently and to run differently. >> and to have a weak speaker. i want to give the last word to the congressman here. the "new york times" editorial board no friend clearly of the republican party or paul ryan has said paul ryan could be the speaker the freedom caucus wants but is not the one that the tha nation deserves. which is slap really. but do you think that he can do more than be the speaker for the freedom caucus? >> he'll have a honeymoon period regardless of how crazy these people are and i think that's important to see what he gets done there, what boehner gets done for the rest of october. but more importantly, i think that the dynamic that is different that your panel has not the really hit upon is that the other 200 members of the republican conference are
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pissed. they're not happy that these 35, 40 people are running the show, basically holding up democracy and threatening to shut down the government. and you've now seen a backlash that i think will permeate. and the test will be, you have a supermajority of the freedom caucus saying we'll live with paul ryan, it's these 10 or 12 outlier ares that i'll be watching during the month of november to see hugh they behave or don't be haf themselves. and that will tell the tale. >> the way paul ryan would have power is if he could go back to something called earmarks. that's when a leader really hits hard. congressman, to you agree? >> oh, my god, i loved earmarks. >> see? there we go. >> no, that's proposition al politics. thanks for joining us this morning. still ahead, ben carson takes the lead in iowa. how will donald trump go on the attack?
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sometimes it's hard to keep track of the cross fire especially when the bush family is firing in all directions. jeb bush continues to take shots at d donald trump and his brother recently unload order ted cruz. according to politico, bush told donors at a private fundraiser, quote, i just don't like that guy. but that guy used to be his own polling city adviser during his 2000 presidential campaign. he reportedly told the donors he thought cruz has been opportunistic for appeal to go trump. cruz reacted to bloomberg
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yesterday. >> as it concerns president george w. bush, i like and respect him and i was proud to work on his campaign, to work in the administration. nobody is surprised thatrd bush is supporting his brother. and it shouldn't surprise anyone that he's attacking candidates that they perceive as a real threat to their campaign. >> you're the only one they're attacking. >> that may say something. but i won't respond in kind. >> victoria, ted cruz is leading in none of the polls. so what is george w. bush doing here? >> i do think that there is a little bit of a personal element. ted cruz is the anti-george w. bush and i'll bring it back to texas where ghornlg w. bush built a political career on consensus, on reaching across the aisle, on working with different elements within his party and with democrats. and ted cruz comes in to texas
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politics and blows that all up at the state level and then he comes into the national level and blows it up again. so i think that there is an element of you're blowing up the consensus that i have built at least at the state level and of course there is a familial element. >> and so i want to dig more into this animosity that ted cruz inspires. we have sound of other gop members. >> here is what he had to say about the huckabee and cruz appearance in support of davis today. >> quite frankly i don't think you should fragrand stand on th stuff. i don't know if she's looking forward to a visit from cruz, but i don't think you should grand stand. >> ted has chosen to make it really personal and call people dishonest in leadership and call them name which is really goes against the decorum and also against the rules of the senate. and as a consequence he kchbt get anything done lens leps late
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definitely. he's pretty much done for and it's because of personal relationship. >> this whole idea that we'll shut down the government to get rid of obamacare in 2013, this plan never had a chance. >> is ted cruz a false prophet? >> you can pick a lot of names out. i'll let you choose them. >> he calls people name, he grand stand, may or may not be a false prophet. what is it about ted cruz that annoys people so much. >> ted cruz is the likelys nominee of the republican party in 2016. for a number of reasons. he appeals to the base in a very strong way. he has the second most small donor donations. he also appeals to the party elite. his wife worked for goldman sachs. he has the resume of someone who looks more like a party elite like than does he a populist tea partier. he has the second most money overall. he's very intentional about the way he's approached this
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campaign. he's drafting behind donald trump and i think that is what irritates people. it's not so much that ted cruz is in the position of being the antagonist of the leadership, it's that he's between good at that bothers them. bush see it is being tugged far more in the direction of what he believe it is should be. >> i fagree with you, but his appeal doesn't teextend to his n party. there is something personal about the way he deals with people. >> he's willing to call mitch mcconnell is liar. he's willing to break the rules in a lot of different senses. and think this is a situation where that rule breaking really bothers the people who thought that david did dewhurst ought to be the senator from texas.
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>> he says i hold a special place for him because i met my wife on his campaign and that makes people even madder. >> president bush likes to do this presidential punditry. i remember him hanthahandicappi race back in 2008, he has lots of opinions back then. this is the kind of thing maybe he was just letting slip. >> it was not a freudian slip meaning a slip that reflected a thought. i think it was strategic. and i'll go to something that donald trump says. is this hu this is hurnis huge. you've seen this president stay back and not talk about anyone particularly barack obama. he could have flown hhave throw the bus several times. but to talk about someone in his own party that's huge.
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but it's telling that he does not like ted cruz. he feels he's polarizing. and he's showing he does not like donald trump by going via ted cruz. so he's letting it be known. and giving a little insight on george w. bush, when i had personal times with him when president obama and john mccain were running against each objection he saw the subtle racism. so he will talk privately about this and it's also in my book. but for him to go out publicly, this is huge. >> what is the title of that book? >> the the presidency in black and white. my upclose cl closclose view of presidents and racism in america. >> so go out and buy it. still ahead, ben carson surges
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but after the main part of this storm hit landfall early friday night, it was 165 miles an hour. but it seems the strongest hit some sparsely populated area which was is good news. mexico's president saying that the first reports seem to indicate there is not a lot of damage or as much damage as one would have expected with the storm of this magnitude. still, once it gets light out as it's starting to now, crews need to go out and assess the damage especially in some low lying isolateded areas. a lot of fishing villages up and down the coast that may have been hit hard by this. but the two main population centers, manzanillo and puerto valla vallata, those places not hit as hard as some feared. manzanillo might have been hit a little harder. reports of downed trees, flooded roads. there might be some landslides this and around that area. puerto vallata, a lot of tourists got stuck there unable to get in and out because the flights were canceled. so a lot of people hunkered down
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hoping that it would not be as bad as some had predicted. and so far this morning the damage is pretty minor, no major damage reports. and so far no reports of any fatalities by this massive hurricane. >> that is a relief. my thanks to joe fryer. now we want to turn to texas which could see as much as 10 inches of rain over the next 24 hours. there could be 2 to 3 inches of rain each hour from corpus christi to houston. charles hadlock is live in dallas. how is it going there? >> reporter: we're watching closely hurricane poo stlaatric. the weather we're having here is not directly associated with the hurricane, but the remnants of that storm are expected to move over parts of texas over the next 48 hours from now. but we've already been saturated with another weather system that
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has dumped 5 to 7 inches of rain here in dallas. you go just to the southeast of here in the town of corsicana, they have had around 18 inches of water. the interstate 45 between dallas and houston is closed in that section through corsicana because the water is now over the roadway. it's even over the railroad tracks in parts of that town. so they're having to deal with that as even more rain tips to fall. the rain should taper and lighten just a bit over the next 24 hours or so. 24 this is the trinity river behind me. this is what the flood way is supposed to do. the river is rising just a bit, but it won't be a major flood concern. but we're watching the remnants to see what the rest of hurricane patricia does as it moves along the texas coast. houston emergency management officials along with the folks in galveston are on alert just in case they have rising water
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from other states who that have pushed to ease guns at schools. and it's not just gun control where california is tstanding out. they have enacted a flurry of liberal legislation taking on the gender pay gap an aggressive new law to combat climate change and a law that expanding voting rights. it's a program that hillary clinton has already promised to embrace at the federal level. the democratic frontrunner also held up california's paid leave program as a model for the rest of the nation at last week's democratic debate. >> carly fiorina the first female ceo of a fortune 50 company argues if the government requires paid leave, it will force small businesses to hire fewer people. >> california has had a paid leave program for a number of years and all of the -- on a
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state level, a state as big as many countries in the world. and it has not had the ill effects that the republicans are always saying it will have. >> so is california becoming the proving ground for progressive policies that democrats want to take national? joining me how is california lieutenant governor gavin newsome. some unkind critics have suggested that the gun control thing is really about your governor's run. is it actually good politicses? >> i don't know about the politics. i know it's a good policy. i'm a parent and i can't reconcile a world i'm living in with 297 people are shot every day, 88 people gunned down and killed. a country where just last week we had a 6-year-old kill a 3-year-old, a 4-year-old killed in a drive-by shooting because of a road rage. and we throw up our hands and some people say stuff happens. i don't subscribe to that point of view and i don't think california has. we want to step up, step in, and
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li leads the way. >> it's not like the nr after the isn't present in california. why do you think you can buy pass them there when other politicians seem to be afraid to take them on? >> their home court is the legislative branch. and they have been very successful in california. they have killed a lot gun safety legislation. our home court is the people, direct democracy. and we think going directly to the people on background checks for ammunition point of sale, going to the people with with bans on magazines and high capacity clips. and we think california can once again establish its leadership position. >> you know they will spend against you in the governor's race. >> i've been out front in a lot of issues and used to the critique. life is short. guys like me come and go. how many thousands have you you interviewed over the years. you have a moment in time. i want on spend this moment in time not kreedreaming of regett. i don't want to be on some panel of elders looking back.
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when it comes to gun control, i got a 6-year-old, 4-year-old and 2-year-old. that's why i'm doing it. >> i've been watching this debate for many years. bill clinton was trying to close the gun show loophole. we heard about all of the support for background checks from both republican and democrat about if just feit nev handled. how will you get your message out to mary the oig the second amendment is this. >> i subscribe toot second amendment. but the fact is nra is remarkably successful and i grant them that influence, intimidating or asserting themselves through legislative branches. but where they're not as successful, where he believe they won't be as successful is with direct democracy. and in california we sometimes have direct democracy that runs
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a democrat amok, but i think the voters will not be intimidated buyer that i tactics and persuaded pie t by the arts. >> we've seen presidents killed, killed -- >> more preschoolers gunned down in this country than police officers in the line of duty. so at a certain point, enough. and i remember right after oregon just a few weeks back, three weeks back when the president came out, he made a point that was resonate to me. he said at the end of the day we're all answerable and the society becomes collectively how we be haf. and i couldn't even put out a press release. i thought what -- just here is another the day when i'm throwing out another press release. so i really felt compelled do something about it. and it's the spirit of the dna of california. a state that prided itself on being on the cutting edge and this state is back. and this is the most important message about california.
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you don't have to be -- all the work we're doing is being done in a surplus environment. we had a $27 billion budget deficit. and people were talking about a dystopian state. how we're debating the size of surpluses. so i think we're proving democrats cannot only govern, they can govern in a thoughtful and judicious way and invest in the future. >> california has also changed. this isn't ronald reagan's california. so what is going on in that trend and is that something that is happening nationwide is. >> i think it all goes -- if it there is any trend, it should be a wake-up call to the republican party in this country. it goes back to 1994. you had a governor pete wilson that advanced very isolationist initiative prop 187 targeting immigrants in our state. interestingly, he just doubled down. that former governor said i would do it again take.
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a today. and here we are starting to reconcile things that not only happened in '94 but also as it relates to criminal justice. we're finally righting the wrongs. >> so let's go back to the idea that california is exporting policies that the democratic party ought to have. the national rifle association is more popular than president obama or hillary clinton. it is according to gallup an organization that has enormous popularity among the american people. you're taking a charge against them. isn't it a risk for the democratic party to get too far to the left on the gun issue out of step with the rest of the country even if it's not out of step with california? >> there's allegeways a risk, bt took a lot of guts for a presidential candidate to say it's time to quote/unquote take on the nra. the last time that happened, it did not go so well for al gore.
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even bill clinton with some of his policies in arkansas. so i don't deny that risk. but -- >> al gore's issues were different. >> no question about that. >> you have an uphill battle, but also you're building from a place of having the most restrictive gun laws in the tha nation. so when you're bringing it to the public, you're not doing a 180. you're saying we have these laws, let's take to the next level. not taking it to texas and saying we want to put these policies in place. >> we come from a very high bar. but we can raise that bar even higher. and we can i think assert ourselves with a different strategy. again, we continue to fail or run short in the legislative framework, but going directly to the voters. and by the way there are 16 or so states that can follow this same track and a lot of them are conservative states. if folks are frustrated, there are different strategies and this is a new wayic i think of engaging the nra and talking to their members who overwhelmingly
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support the principles we're asserting in terms of background checks and a having them represented not by their leadership, but by good public policy. >> applaud you for taking action on a very important issue. thanks for joining us. still ahead, the new information we learned from hillary clinton's 11 hour hearing. and next, is donald trump's time at the top of the polls coming to apend. ♪ ♪ on a very important issue. making the most of their united flight. power, wi-fi, and streaming entertainment. that's... seize the journey friendly. ♪ the way i see it, you have two choices; the easy way or the hard way.
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donald trump has spent weeks attacking jeb bush. today he's campaigning in the former florida governor's home state holding a rally a few hours from now in jacksonville, florida. hallie jackson is in jacksonville. what have you got? >> reporter: hey, richard. they just opened the doors. people started streaming in to this plaza here. you can hear the sound check going on. and in a couple hours donald trump will be taking the stage. this is his second rally in
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florida in less than 24 hours and last night he was interrupted a couple times pie protesters coming in and making a little bit of a ruckus. i want to you listen.ie protesters coming in and making a little bit of a ruckus. i want to you listen. >> and i said there's no way -- that's all right. usa, usa -- >> trump continuing on with his speefrp. some of his supporters trying to drown out the protesters. we've seen this in the past, richmond something similar happened. but one hinge we haven't seen much of at a donald trump rally attacks really against dr. ben carson. trump's main rival right now nag nationally and in iowa. he's up in recent polls including the bloomberg poll up about 9% over donald trump. and trump didn't seem to be taking it too well. he talked about the polls a lot last night. he says he doesn't believe them. he thinks he's doing better in iowa than the numbers actually show and he took aim at carson calling him low energy.
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he him for sleeping through the poll results. this morning i spoke with a top campaign aide for the carson team and he told me dr. carson was wide awake. we'll see what donald trump has to say about are carson and the other candidates at his rally that begins here at noon. >> my thanks to hallie jackson in jacksonville, florida. donald trump has been leading in the national gop polls for over 100 days now. but trouble is looming for him in iowa as you heard dr. ben carson is surging to the lead in two new polls there. he's up 9 points in yesterday's today ploin register bloomberg poll and the former thur row surgeon up eight points in the quinnipiac poll released thursday. trump may have more cause for concern about his future. some republican establishment figures are announcing they're rallying the troops to try to take him down. in south carolina, former republican chair is asking major
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gop donors to pour in millions of dollars for a new super pac there. trump is still leading big in south carolina and the washington examiner reported this week the conservative club for growth is also trying to raise millions of dollars for a broader effort to defeat trump fashionly. so with pressure on trump coming from all sides, how long can he hang on to the lead? i want to bring back the panel. ben, they have had an impact, they can organize. can they take him down? >> i don't know that these organizations are necessarily needed in order to take donald trump down. i mean he is obviously someone who has prove fittfited from th amounts of media attention that he has. he is without equal within the field. but i think that when you look at these poll number, when you look at what is happening in iowa in particular, you see supporter not primary voters, and you see ben carson getting a lot people who previously backed
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mike huckabee, rick santorum. a lot of social conservatives who do go in no those gymnasiums for eight hours and make the case for their candidate. i think that ben carson's voters look a lot more like the type of voters who actually show up and that's ultimatelying for to be the thing that takes trump down. in so victoria, we had hallie talking about this, but i want to listen to what trump said about ben carson. s r it's getting fascinating here. >> i love iowa. and i honestly think those polls are wrong. we have a breaking story, donald trump has fallen for second place behind ben carson. we informed ben, but he was sleeping. >> yeah, so i think he's making fun of us by the way. or people like us.
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the carson campaign responded i have news for mr. trump, dr. carson was very much awake as poll number one was announced and then poll number two and then poll number three, so on. is carson getting under his skin? >> he is. and he's taking a deeper look a. the majority of the republican primary voters are evangelicals. faith is very important to these voters. something where trump can't really connect with them on. he's had trouble with the god issue. and second, those evangelical voters don't necessarily go for that red meat of let's send all the immigrants home, let's build the walls. remember, these are the voters that in 2000 voted for george w. bush who had that christian message who in fact said, you know what, we need to inform immigration because this is about family values. those iowa voters are not ultimately going to fold towards trump. >> sadly, that's enough trump for now. up next, what we learned about hillary clinton.
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let's be honest, presidential elections are strange. i've covered many of them from start to finish and the rap on the media is often right. and too little on the substance. and there's nothing more substantial than the question of character. who has the judgment and the temperament to be the commander in chief? if the long presidential campaigns can tell us anything, it's when the candidates encounter some unexpected and uncontrolled stress test, something that forces the candidates to think on their feet, react to pressure and show us what they're really made of. those moments are precious and we know them when we see them. the way candidate obama dealt with the reverent wright firestorm. the way clinton bounced back in new hampshire. i think we saw one of those moments in the extraordinary mare on this testimony of hillary clinton on thursday. even more impressive than the endurance test after hour upon
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hour of baiting and better rating. the truly impressive display was clinton's mastery of the detail and the diplomacy of her response. she was both forceful and respectful. she called for statesmanship over partisanship. she insisted that democrats and republicans need to find a way to work together. for sure, there were unanswered questions about her use of a private e-mail server. those questions pale compared to the complexities of a world in conflict. there are serious problems facing the next president. the humanitarian crisis of huge numbers of refugees. the human rights horrors inflicted by the syrian regime and isis. the grotesque inequality before the world's rich and poor. we need to find a way to work together to solve these global challenges. the world needs american leadership. no other country will step up to the same effect. but to do so, america first needs to elect grown-up leaders
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on both sides of the aisle and both ends of pennsylvania avenue. agree or disagree with her policies as you like, but hillary clinton demonstrated over 11 hours how she's one of the very few grown-ups in the room. like to thank our panel, victoria, van dominic, april, for joining us this morning. thank you for getting up with us today. we'll be back tomorrow morning at 9 eastern time. before that, you're going to want to watch melissa harris perry. [ scanner beeping ] sir, could you step aside? "sir"? come on. you know who i am. progressive insurance? uh, i save people an average of over $500 when they switch? did you pack your own bags? oh! right -- the name your price tool. it shows people policy options to help fit their budget. [ scanner warbling ] crazy that a big shot like me would pack his own bags, right? [ chuckles ] so, do i have the right to remain handsome? [ chuckles ]
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good morning, i'm melissa harris pairy. we've got a lot to get to this morning. first, hurricane patricia hit land. the storm was still firmly within category 5 range when it made landfall last night, packing winds of up to 165 miles per hour. as the center of the storm now drags across mexico, patricia is rapidly weakening. it is now a tropical storm. the heavy rain still poses some danger to parts of mexico and even south texas. joining me now, msnbc meteorologist bonnie schneider. what lies ahead today? >> we're watching the threat of flooding. it will still bring some rainfall through central mexico. and of course the risk for mudslides, landslides, because of all that water coming down. there's still another threat we need to talk about happening now. look at these r

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