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hey there everyone. high noon in the east. 9:00 a.m. out west. we begin with this developing story. the flood threat in texas shifts to the central gulf coast today. some areas could see more than ten more inches of rain and that's on top of yesterday's record in many texas cities, including houston, austin and san antonio. houston police and fire units conducted at least 28 water rescues. some drivers getting caught in rising water oz area roads that needed to be pulled from their cars by emergency crews. >> i got stuck. they are like, the water started coming in. he got out the window. >> in mexico today, authorities are assessing the damage from hurricane patricia. the storm roared ashore on the pacific coast friday night. despite the 165-mile-an-hour winds, there was no major damage and no reported fatalities. once ashore it rapidly lost
strength as it moved across central mexico. let's get more from meteorologist bonnie sghchneide. the rain appears to be easing but what's next for trouble? >> houston was one of the places that shattered a record for rainfall. here's what's happening today. the whole mess of this working to the east. the central gulf coast is where we're expecting heavy rain and risk for flooding. texas, louisiana, mississippi, alabama and the panhandle. bee could see isolated totals of ten inches or more. we're seeing that rain come in. this is what we've seen so far. some of the records shattered in waco, texas, san antonio and houston. likely to see more records shattered for louisiana. that's where we're getting the heaviest rain right now. look at all that moisture coming
up from the gulf. low pressure enhanced by that moisture from patricia. it's causing a training situation where the rain goes over the same place over and over again. that's where we're seeing the risk for flooding. even a report for a thunderstorm wind gust. severe weather risk exists as well. new iberia has been reporting some flooded roads. we're seeing some of the heavy rains coming in. new orleans has had a batch of rain further to the north. new orleans looking at more of that coming up. this big band across mississippi into arkansas and further to the east. this is i-10 if you're driving along. visibility will not be good. always the risk for coastal flooding along the louisiana coastline. this is what to expect through the next few days especially today and tomorrow. vicksburg, another 5 1/2 inches
of rain. that threat works from louisiana into mississippi today, tonight and even on monday. >> bonnie, thank you for the heads-up. let's go to charles hadlock in houston for us today. so charles, you went from a soaked dallas yesterday to now the houston area. do you see evidence of floodwaters receding? >> yes, they are. take a look at this. bier at buffalo bayou park. this is buffalo bayou. the flood stage at 21 feet. it got up to 23 feet this morning but it's on its way back down. it filled this entire flood plain here. the ducks over here are enjoying this. downtown houston looks like it's under water. this is not. this is the trinity river. the buffalo bayou goes around the northern edge of downtown. when we get floodwaters, this area pools with water. we've been watching this volleyball net over here. that's seven feet. this morning it was under water.
it's been dropping about a foot an hour. so by this afternoon, this will be drained of water. buffalo bayou will be back in its banks. the other bayous in town also got the bankful. we've got ten inches of rain over a 12 to 15-hour period. the bayous can handle that type of water. that's a roiecord for this date but not for this region. on memorial weekend it was seven to eight feet higher than today. that's when it got into homes and businesses. that's not the kind of flood happening today. mostly bayous out of their banks and water covering the low-lying areas of houston. the areas that typically flood like in any other city when you get a heavy rain. the people getting trapped in the high water are mostly people who aren't familiar with the area. most know the low areas here to avoid. this area is drying out.
the worst is over. now we're looking at the central mississippi valley along the gulf coast from new orleans to mobile. that is the area that people are going to be watching over the next 24 to 48 hours. >> charles, i have to ask. where you're standing, certainly the grass is not under water but when you step on it it is squishy and soaking. is there sun in the forecast? it's going to take a while to dry all that out. >> this low pressure system is swirling off the coast of galveston right now. these are some of the lighter bands of rain. we'll get these on and off throughout the day. some saying we might see a peek at the sun today. certainly tomorrow. >> charles hadlock, thank you so much from houston. new video from oklahoma shows the moment a speed are car plowed through the crowd killing four people. the driver, 25-year-old adacia chambers is in custody suspected
to be under the influence when it happened. jacob rascon is still on the scene there in stillwater. dozens of spectators injured. what do you know about their status? >> reporter: the list of victims, including the injured, has grown to 51. four people have died, including a toddler and a graduate student at another university. this as the driver remains jailed. and police are searching for more witnesses. overnight oklahoma state came together to mourn as they review new video posted online showing the moment of impact. no brake lights appear visible in the video as the gray sedan plows into spectators. >> i just saw something black coming at us and the car hit me as i was stopping and i flew over some strollers. >> a witness told the governor the driver, 25-year-old adacia
chambers was out of control after the crash. >> i have an actual person who talked to her and held her down after the accident occurred on the scene until the police could arrest her. >> holding her down meaning she otherwise would have been running away? >> right. >> among the dead, a 2-year-old boy who survived the crash but died at the hospital. the oklahoma state/kansas game began with prayer and a moment of silence. the college town in stillwater, oklahoma, shaken by the tragedy. >> the oklahoma state homecoming parade is probably one of the most wholesome, happy events in the country. and to have it fouled like this, and these victims, it's a terrible tragedy. >> investigators say it's too early to tell whether or not chambers drove her car into the crowd intntionally. possible charges range from negligent homicide to manslaughter to murder depending on her intention, driving
history and whether or not she was intoxicated, among other factors. and 17 people remain hospitalized, including five who were in critical condition. as the driver remains jailed, her father tells the local paper, quote, i know this isn't something she would have done deliberately. oklahoma state will have grief counselors on standby when classes resume on monday. alex? >> jacob rascon, thank you. >> i'm joined by conda walker who joins us now. hearing the sound of the impact of that car hitting people. tell me what you experienced. >> good afternoon, alex. i feel the same way. the noises are just ringing over and over again in my head even as 24 hours have already passed. the noises are still there from the vehicle, from what i felt like was thumping of the motorcycle and other people that she was hitting.
as well as the screams coming from the crowd. >> so how fast was this car traveling? was there any indication to you that there had been an effort to put on brakes or anything, or did it just plow into everyone? >> exactly as you stated. it just plowed into everyone. is but there. and the first thing that hit my mind is who is driving a car 100 miles an hour. i'm sure that was a little bit of an exaggeration but later i heard they estimated her speed at about 50. on that road on a normal day we don't drive 50 so i just don't know how fast she was going, but it was extreme. >> yeah. i know you're an osu alum. you've moved to alaska. came back for what promised to be just a great weekend. your description, though, of what you saw? i read that you told one of my producers it looked like people were rag dolls thrown into the air? >> yes. i saw people moving and
screaming and moving back toward me. i was probably about 50 feet behind the parade route ending point. and i saw something moving very fast, which was the car, but i also saw her hit somebody and they just went flying in the air. i thought that can't be part of the show. and that can't be a person. that just looked like a rag doll flying and twisting in the air. then when the person actually hit the ground, my sister and i just held each other and watched with dismay as they turned her over and started chest compressions and she did not make it. >> how about bystanders. were they able to react? fortunately, as is typical, they did have some ambulances following the parade. they do that as a precautionary measure but who knew they'd need
to be put into immediate service like this. >> the reason my sister and i moved back from the end of the parade to be 50 feet from the ending route was because the parade was ending and we could see probably one-third of the mile down the fire trucks that would end the parade. so they were right on the scene. bystanders, people with children, they were running past. my sister and i just stood still and held each other in amazement. we were kind of unsure what was going on. i looked around and realized people are on the phone asking, where are you? are you safe? are you across the street? please come across the street. let's be together. and that's when i pulled out my phone and called my son trying to find him as well. >> he's okay? >> he's fine, yes. >> small miracles. konda walker, thanks for sharing your story. safe travels home to alaska. a daring rescue mission caught on camera.
new body cam video brings us inside this past week's kurdish prison raid. joining me now richard engel. richard, to you. >> this is extremely unusual footage. you don't normally see the secretive operations carried out by navy s.e.a.l.s or in this case, delta force. but that's what we have. the delta joint kurdish operation launched against an isis compound in iraq last week. more footage emerged today of the joint american/kurdish raid on an isis prison in iraq last week. the kurds are clearly proud of what they did. the video was broadcast on kurdish television showing up close the moments when american and kurdish commandos storm in and free 70 hostages who appear terrified, barefoot, hands up to show they're unarmed. u.s. military officials tell nbc
news the footage, first obtained by the arab 24 news agency, is authentic. bullet holes in the walls suggest there'd been a gun fight. a voice in arabic from the rescuers yells for the hostages to keep moving. they do. in filthy prison gowns. some appear stained in blood thas a move to safety. the commandos inspect another room with a large isis flag. what sounds like american voices can be heard. and an adjacent hallway is lined with what looked like makeshift accompliceon cells. they moved with skill and have american-made weapons. much is not shown in the footage, including the moment when american master sergeant joshia wheeler from the top secret delta force was shot. his remains were flown back to the united states yesterday. the first american to die in the war on isis. but that is the kind of war the u.s. is now involved in, alex, with american troops sometimes
fighting room to room. apparently the administration's promise of no american boots on the ground in iraq doesn't apply to special ops. vice president joe biden speaking out for the first time since announcing he's not running for president. plus, the new poll showing how popular the gop outsider candidates purpo s candidates. we'll show you the numbers. now that was a leap. i was calling in every favor i could, to track down enough lumber to get the job done. and i knew i could rely on american express to help me buy those building materials. there are always going to be unknowns. you just have to be ready for them. another step on the journey... will you be ready when growth presents itself? realize your buying power at open.com ...of fixodent plus adhesives. they help your denture hold strong more like natural teeth. and you can eat even tough food. fixodent. strong more like natural teeth.
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today vice president sknroe biden is speaking out for the first time since announcing he will not run for president. in a new interview to air tonight, the vice president spoke about the moment he made the decision. >> i came home and hunter, our son, was upstairs with mom, with jill. and i walked in and i said, i just don't think there's time. i don't think we can run the kind of campaign we have to run
to be able to win. i remember jill just got up off the couch and gave me a big hug and said, i think you're right. >> across the aisle, the republican primary is solidified into a horse race between donald trump and ben carson. a new poll finds them nearly neck and neck but trump's unfavorable rating is significantly higher. it didn't seem to affect him. >> you need energy. we're so far behind the 8 ball. you need a stronger temperament. i have watched people all of my life. and i know all about low energy guys, okay? it doesn't work. it doesn't work. >> carson and his ineveitable wy did not take the bait. >> i am not going to get into the mud pit. i'm not going to be talking about people. in terms of energy, i'm not sure there's anybody else running
that's spent 18 or 20 hours intently operating on somebody. >> he's got a point there. now to a reunion of sorts for the democratic candidates. they appeared on the same stage for the first time since their debate two weeks ago. bernie sanders took a different route in setting himself apart from clinton. >> today some are trying to rewrite history by saying they voted for one anti-gay law to stop something worse. that's not the case. there was a small minority in the house opposed to discriminating against our gay brothers and sisters, and i am proud that i was one of those members. >> joining me now is alex seitzwald. that was sure the place to be. how did the crowd react to these jabs and what were your
takeaways? >> you have to picture that in this room you have about 7,000 democratic activists all sectioned off depending on which candidate they support. the bernie sanders supporters went absolutely wild throughout his speech. deafening, roaring applause. hillary clinton supporters dead silent. barely even a golf collab of applause. a new applause from martin o'malley. i did talk to one democratic operative who questioned sanders approach here. it's a democratic party event. everyone is ultimately here on the same team. to really go after the front-runner in this race. it goes to show how much of a new phase we're in after last week's debate where bernie sanders and hillary clinton are going to be tangling a lot more. >> look at what's happened the last week and a half. she arrived to this important dinner after what many are saying was the best week and a
half of her campaign. how did she come across last night? >> there is no doubt that hillary clinton is on a roll right now. that strong debate performance, went before the benghazi committee. her poll numbers are up. she came in with a big head of steam but took snow chances. this j-j dinner was a big breakout moment for obama. her campaign brought in bill clinton for the first time. katy perry to perform and the two of them appeared on stage together. bill clinton chopped it up and made a statement about being the first gentleman president. >> i want you to support hillary for me, too, because i want to break a ceiling. i am tired of the stranglehold that women have had on the job of presidential spouse. and i want you to help me deal
with that. >> so bill clinton's still got it. charming as ever. once hillary clinton took the stage there was a little bit of questions about whether she has the fire or resting back on her l laurels. she kept her message to what she said in previous events like this. one new twist, she's driving home the idea she wants to deliver for people's lives, that she has the experience and ability to get things done. the implicit notion being bernie sanders won't be able to get things done to help people. >> i like that gentleman present. what are you going to say? first guy, first husband? first dude? that's a good phrase right there. what about on the schedule for mrs. clinton this week? what's up? >> she's going to continue on a festive week she's had here. on tuesday, she'll go on with
stephen colbert. she's done "saturday night live," "jimmy fallon." she's going to continue this big head of steam and then will head to new hampshire and build momentum there. bernie sanders has had a strong performance from neighboring vermont. she's come neck and neck in the polls with him and hope to pull ahead of him there. >> alex, thank you, from des moines. coming up, more politics. what ben carson had to say about college students and why he thinks they should be paying extra close attention to what their professors say. you can't breathed. through your nose. suddenly, you're a mouthbreather. well, just put on a breathe right strip which instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right was going to clean if an better than a manual? he said sure. but don't get just any one. get one inspired by dentists.
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have been released. the first couple denied a license by kim davis celebrated their wedding. davis cited god's authority and stopped issuing marriage licenses. four couples filed a lawsuit against her. davis continued to refuse and ended in jail for contempt. hurricane patricia moved eastward overnight sparing that nation from a feared catastro e catastrophe. gabe is in armaria, mexico. >> reporter: the worst of hurricane patricia in sparsely populated areas. no deaths have been reported. for some coastal towns like this one it was a very close call, and some lives have been changed forever. the beach is spanish for paradise. but this morning some of it is
lost. the home washed away by the strongest storm here in memory. but she says at least she's alive. today near the resort town of manzanillo, residents are cleaning up. the red cross handing out supplies. hurricane patricia lost steam as it slammed into mexico but still packed record biwinds for the country's coast. the destruction is not as catastrophic as once feared. jose vazquez is thankful. he says the winds were intense. his home damaged but somehow still standing. officials say evacuations and security measures put in place before the hurricane struck spared lives and infrastructure. crews will be out restoring power but all major airports have reopened. at the vatican, pope francis
has closed out an historic meeting of bishops. they nearly approved. can you explain to me what happened here? >> basically, the bishops met for three weeks. they met about all the issues surrounding families. one of the big issues for catholics in this country is what happens when catholics get divorced and remarried without the benefit of an annulment. historically or under the rules of the church you cannot receive communion. could the bishops create a path back so those catholics could receive communion again? they didn't go that far. they essentially split the bane. they found the middle ground between conservatives who say this shouldn't happen. once you're married, you're married forever, and liberals who want a path back. these people should be welcomed
into the church. they should not feel excommunicated, and they should have a private conversation with their priest if they -- to figure out how they can more fully participate in the life of the church. in plain english that means this will be dealt with on a case by case basis. >> some of these people will be able to take communion if they can work out a path with their priest or is that completely off the table? >> that's what's interesting. the document did not specify that. they said it's what they said, it's basically up to the couple and the local priest which in many parishes across the country, that's how it is done now. the other big issue was, what would the bishops say about gays. especially because of the fact that same-sex union, same-sex marriages have been legalized in this country. what the bishop said is we do not believe that same-sex kwluns
are equivalent to a man and a woman. however, all individuals deserve to be treated with respect. there is no movement on the issue of same-sex unions. >> that was something in june when the supreme court said legally you must do this and was there a provision written that excluded the catholic church. i'm thinking about the story earlier with kim davis. she used god's authority as her excuse for not eliciting the marriage licenses. >> the difference is kim davis is a government official. >> oh, okay. >> so this is not about freedom of religion. this is about her doing her job as a government official and when the government says this is something that is legal and the nation approves of, you have the authority to grant it or you're supposed to follow the law of the land, not make it up as you go. the difference is this is a
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it shouldn't be. >> but your definition of propaganda could be someone else's definition of free speech. >> that's why i said we'll have the students send in and we'll investigate. >> joining me now is former vermont governor howard dean and republican strategist mercedes who previously served as a spokesperson for president george w. bush. thanks for joining me. mercedes, is this something that republican voters would get behind? >> i have to say i was surprised he even brought this up. i wonder if he thought it spur of the moment when talking to chuck todd. i think there's concern that universities for the most part lean to the left and -- but there are universities out there that are quite conservative, too, although they are a smaller number. i don't think this is a realistic policy plan in any way and this is something that i think ben carson campaign has struggled with, which is the fact of really releasing sort of
these sorts of policies. i find it to be one of those questionable comments that he's made in terms of whether this would work or not. i don't think it's one of the things conservatives don't support the government policing or telling universities or schools what to do. >> governor, i'm going to ask you about donald trump. anything you want to weigh in on this? >> this is the least of his problems. last night he said he wants to end medicare. it's hard to run for president of the united states if your platform is to end medicare. he's going to say a lot of controversial things as donald trump has. i don't think this is very well thought out. >> speaking of donald trump, he's making the talk show sunday rounds. let's listen to an exchange from an interview this morning. >> the world would be better off with saddam hussein and gadhafi in power? >> as far as --
>> what about human rights abuses? >> they are worse now than ever. they are getting their heads chopped up and drowned. far worse than under saddam hussein or gadhafi. >> anything about what he's saying there correct, and what does it mean for hillary clinton's foreign policy platform? >> i don't think it means anything for hillary clinton. hillary clinton knows what she's saying and donald trump doesn't. the average person doesn't vote on foreign policy. the advantage hillary has is that she knows a lot about it and it helps build her -- build people's confidence that she could do the job. if trump were to win the nomination, this would be a big problem. right now it's not a big problem for him. he's still way up there in the polls. >> any appetite here for this kind of thing among the republican base for this kind of foreign policy trying to get away from the hawks? >> when it comes to the republican party you have this -- definitely this faction of the republican party that it's hawkish. it could fall more along the
lines of marco rubio's approach to foreign policy which is america's leadership, being able to be involved in different pockets of the world. i think donald trump is still trying to figure out his foreign policy. he mentioned weeks before that let russia take on syria and manage that mess that's over in syria and stand off away from it. then he recognizes something needs to be done with isis. we go back to the same issue. these candidates need -- especially when they don't have this political experience, this is when you need your foreign policy advisers to come in and formulate a plan of what you're talking about. you're seeing that more with jeb bush. these other more politician types which the republican party isn't necessarily wanting to go in that direction but the mere fact they have a better understanding of what's happening across the world. >> do you have an understanding of donald trump's foreign policy
platform? >> are you asking the governor or me? >> i'm asking you. >> no, i think we've seen a bit of mixed messages. he's been clear about building the wall on illegal immigration. that's been his area where he's been very clear. on foreign policy, you have seen that again, he has a standoff approach but what are we going to do? we've got to go in there and end isis. he's shifting into two different positions. >> governor, want to talk about the benghazi hearing. the "meet the press" team counted 68 questions from the democrats. of those they only considered 16, at best, to be challenging. only tammy duck worth seemed to want the true facts. do you think it may have been wrong to use this platform to largely shield clinton? >> clinton didn't need any help in this. i predicted before she went in she was going to wipe the floor with them. although they had a huge assist.
one of the people wanted to know where she -- who she spent the night with the night before? somebody else, senator blumenthal confused. what's going to happen is secretary clinton is going to go in front of a group of stumblebums and who is going to win? that's exactly what happened. >> can you say, mercedes, do you agree most people are saying hillary clinton won? >> the mainstream media is clearly saying hillary clinton won. certain conservative media outlets that said the same thing. with that being said, there was the other side of it as well which is the fact that i believe i watched the hearing that hillary clinton came across being this passive observer that didn't take, for the mere fact that they had given 600 security requests and the fact that no one came to her? i'm sorry, i talk to individuals who work in the department of state and it almost feels she
lived in a bubble, that she wasn't asking those inquisitive questions of, okay, there's a hot spot here in libya. we need to make sure our guys are protected. she was sitting back and waiting for these security folks to come in? i didn't think it looked smart on her part. and she said it was the fact she told the egyptian president one thing, that she thought it was an attack while at the other end, the american people they were saying it was about the video. again, i just think it showed weakness on part of her leadership. yes, did she remain calm throughout the 11 hours of being grilled? you have to give credit to her there. when you look deeper into this, i do believe she didn't come out strong as being this very -- >> i disagree, as you might expect. i think this was a secretary of state who was in charge during a crisis -- >> absolutely not. >> and the fog of war. it's easy for the fat congressmen to sit back and talk about how smart they were. they weren't in the chair. hillary was in the chair. people lost their lives --
>> absolutely. she didn't do enough. >> ask congress what they've been doing spending $16 million of the taxpair money. >> it's not wasting our time when we're talking about four american lives that were lost. >> with trey gowdy having said nothing politically, no information came out of this. was anything politically gained. is it going to matter in the long run? >> i think at the end it's getting to the bottom of what's happening. hillary clinton was one of many of the interviews they've done. they've got to come up with a report, how to improve the process to make sure this doesn't happen again and figure out what truly happened that night which, what appeared to me is the fact that two different stories were told. that's what hillary clinton did. she told her family one thing, the egyptian president another and then on the other hand decided to agree with the administration that it was about the video. it showed lacked of leadership on her part. >> the committee has no credibility whatsoever and it doesn't matter what they put in their report.
>> okay. is but going to ask you final word but you gave it there. governor dean and mercedes, thank you. how a nature video changed the lives of prisoners in solitary confinement. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ we rise above our differences. the right amount of garlic reigns supreme, and what separates us is mostly whether we're chopping or frying. food is a language we all speak. when we cook together, we find harmony in the kitchen.
california has agreed to move thousands of inmates out of solitary confinement. the state made that decision under the terms of a landmark lawsuit brought by inmates. there are more than 2 million incarcerated in the u.s. nearly 1 of every 5 prison inmates spend time in restrictive housing or solitary confinement. supreme court of the anthony kennedy said solitary confinement literally drives men mad. he wrote in a recent opinion it's likely the respondent has been held for the past 20 years in a windowless cell no larger than a parking lot spot for 21 hours a day and the one hour he leaves it he's allowed no opportunity for conversation or interaction with anyone.
let's bring in a biologist. she's worked to make solitary confinement less harsh for some inmates. i know that you worked with oregon officials to try to change the nature of solitary confinement. what did you do? >> what we did was to propose an idea that has actually been vetted in other places where nature is not present. in hospitals, dementia wards, and we thought, well, we know in those situations the presence of nature, of real nature, but also nature imagery can bring down stress, bring down anxiety and violence. our proposal was that, where's the most violent and most stressful place in our country would be in the cells of solitary confinement inmates. where they can go for one hour a day with the objective of bringing down stress, anxiety
and violence for the inmates and the staff. >> it all makes sense. how about the opposition or challenges to doing this. what are they? >> the challenges are many. of course voluntary confinement and restricted housing within prisons are really like a prison within a prison. it was very difficult to get permissions and so forth to get into that area but the staff at the snake river correctional institution were very cooperative. they wanted to make that a safer, better place. so we gathered films. my colleagues, a documentary filmmaker and marine biologist and an educator and i put together a number of films. we started working with the staff and officers in particular to tell them why this was important for them as well as for the inmates. we began showing these films at the request of inmates. and what we found was this had a
positive impact in terms of violent infractions. >> does this at all impact how they'll behave upon eventual release? >> our short-term objective was whether we could bring down violent infractions and improved behaviors while incarcerated. one of the problems with solitary confinement is these men and women are released from solitary confinement out to the general public. that's something of concern to you and me especially since we know imprisonment and isolated and restrictive housing does cause mental illness, increases the rate of suicide attempts. brings about behaviors that are negative in terms of being in society. an obvious next step will be to follow up these inmates who are coming out of solitary and to find out what their behavior is like and what their fate is like once they get out of prison. >> nalini, thank you so much. rescue at sea.
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a new video emerges showing the moment a car barreled into the crowd at oklahoma state's homecoming parade killing four people. the driver, 25-year-old adacia chambers is in custody. she is suspected to be under the influence when it happened. jacob, dozens are injured in this crash. what are you hearing about them? >> reporter: over my right shoulder is a memorial that's been growing for the victims. it's where the car landed after the crash yesterday. a steady stream of people have been coming by dropping off flowers and signs and otherwise remembering those who have been lost and injured. the total list of victims, including the injured is up to 51 people. 17 of those remain hospitalized, including five who are critical. the others expected to survive including six children. among the four dead we know there's a toddler and as well a graduate student at a different
university. there's also new video investigators are reviewing that shows the moment of impact. we won't show the entire video. you're able to see a gray sedan plowing into the crowd. no blarake lights are visible. the driver after the crash was out of control and had to be held down until police arrived. investigators tell us possible charges range from negligent homicide to manslaughter and even to murder depending on her driving history, her intention and whether or not she was intoxica intoxicated. now police investigators are looking for more witnesses, hoping that anybody with any video or new information will come forward. alex? >> jacob rascon, thank you for that. with me is caleb jones, a student who witnessed the crash. i can't imagine seeing something like that. talk about what you saw, what you heard and what that whole experience was like?
>> i was located about like five feet behind where the crowd was located. the crowd was in the intersection in the crosswalk at the end of the parade. the car came barreling through. a police cruiser about ten feet behind and it just plowed into the back of the police cruiser. the police cruiser, a motorcycle, it ricocheted and hit more people. that car continued through the intersection. i saw people's feet going through the air. thrown into the air like rag dolls. the car continued and went through the other side, caddy corner from where i was and struck another crowd of people. it was very graphic. >> it just came out of nowhere, right? >> seriously. my first thought, i saw it before it hit the police motorcycle. i saw it and i was like, i could have swore this area is barricaded off. and my second thought was, oh, my gosh, it's not slowing down. no brake lights, no screeching
of brakes. the second is hit the motorcycle is when i knew it was happening. this was actually going on. >> how long did it take for emergency first responders to get there? >> i can't reiterate enough how quickly they responded. it's homecoming weekend so there are obviously more police on scene than a normal weekend. and so the first responders were absolutely incredible. five seconds after the car had stopped, i was like, i need to remain calm and go help people. is but trying to run through and i was trying to find somebody that wasn't being attended to. everybody was already being attended to by bystanders. you can tell the difference between the people that knew what they were doing and the people there screaming and freaking out. it was a very graphic scene. the first responders were incredible. the police on scene, like they cleared out the crowds. backed everybody out. they had an area marked off for care flight within minutes with all the tape, and they were
incredible. there were ambulances there within five minutes of when the accident actually occurred. i just can't reiterate enough there were a lot of lives probably saved because of the first responders. >> did you get a look at the driver? >> not when she was going through the intersection. i didn't see any pictures of her until after on the news or anything like that. i lan directly to the car and got to the car about 30 seconds before the dust settled and i didn't see anybody in the car. i never saw the driver while i was there. i've heard a bunch of different things about her so they'll have to let the police do their job on what's going on with her. >> you are a student there. these kinds of things are great celebrations and you all look forward to homecoming weekends. how did this change the tenor of everything? >> you know, it's been very interesting. there's a lot of people that were very saddened by the events and a lot that didn't even know
it happened. it's something that's going to bring us together. it's what osu does. this is not the first tragedy. i'm a freshman at osu. this is the first tragedy that i've experienced as a student at osu. by the first day, the first 24 hours, this is only going to make us stronger and bring us together. there are a lot of people that were checking on me, making sure i was okay because they knew i saw what happened. and so it's bringing us together more than anything. >> that is a wonderful approach, caleb jones. i hope it's the one n only time you have to deal with anything like this while a student at osu. good luck. thanks for talking with us. developing in texas, residents of houston are getting some relief. houston police and fire units conducted at least 28 water rescues. some drivers caught in rising waters on area roads needed to be pulled from their cars by emergency crews. >> i got stuck. we were like, the water started coming in.
he -- we got out the window. >> however, those on the gulf coast may not be so lucky. more rain and flooding are expected along the louisiana, alabama and eventually hitting the florida coast over the next few days. let's go to charles hadlock in houston today. floodwaters look better this hour than last? >> yeah, even though we're still getting a lot of rain here in the houston area, the bayous are on their way down. last night we got about ten inches of rain overnight in the houston area in some places. that caused some of the bayous like this one here. this is buffalo bayou. this is a dramatic shot. houston, downtown houston is not flooded. this is just the flood basin on the west side of downtown. normally does this when we get a lot of heavy rain. this is a record amount of rain for this date but not for houston. houston is used to getting a lot of floodwaters like this.
especially in october. one october when they got several feet above where it is now. in fact, back in may on the memorial day flooding it was seven feet higher than it was today. the bayou behind me, the flood bank floods at 23 feet. at 21 feet today. got up to 23. and last may it got up to about 30 feet. so it's not as bad as it was. some low-lying intersections and underpasses did flood overnight. that water is drain away. the houston emergency management office has gone back to routine status. that is down from their high alert status they had beginning on yesterday. >> i bet you can't have that sunshine come soon enough. it's forecast for tomorrow, which will be great and welcome relief. can you tell me about preparations being taken in the gulf coast regions that are expected to be hit hard with rain? >> everyone is watching what's left of the hurricane that hit
the mexican coast, one of the most powerful hurricanes ever recorded in north america, in the atlantic and pacific basin, in the western hemisphere, i should say. it's now in the gulf of mexico. it's going to skirt along the louisiana coast. coastal flooding is expected in louisiana, mississippi and parts of florida over the next few days or so. everyone is watching to see exactly what the remnants are going to do to that section of the country. >> charles hadlock, thank you from houston. meteorologist bonnie schneider will join us with a complete radar look at where the worst flooding is going to occur. let's head overseas. a daring rescue mission caught on camera. new body cam video first obtained by nbc news brings us inside the u.s. and kurdish raid of an isis prison in iraq in which joshua wheeler was killed. joining me now, richard engel. >> this is really extraordinary
footage. you rarely see the operations carried out by jsoc, the joint special operations command which controls the navy s.e.a.l.s or in this case delta force commandies. this was a joint operation with the kurds. the kurds released the footage. they were very proud of what they did and u.s. officials say they should be proud that american and kurdish commandos jointly managed to free 70 hostages from an isis prison and kill or detain the isis guards inside. and you see it seemss to be one of the kurdish commando's body camera footage. there's the extraordinary moment when hostages emerge from a part of the isis makeshift prison and they look terrified. they are holding their hands above their heads to show they're unarmed. you can hear the constant popping of gunfire in the distance. they're barefoot. some of their filthy prison gowns are stained with what
looks like blood. and then the u.s. and kurdish commandos are searching this prison. a large isis flag on the wall. makeshift prison cells. it's a terrifying place where you can imagine these people, these hostages, they said they've been told they were going to be executed the very same day that they got released. so an unusual piece of footage, one that you wouldn't have been released, i'm sure, by u.s. officials. in this case released by kurdish officials. and it will for some call into question the administration's promise of no american boots on the ground because these are american boots on the ground, but apparently that does not apply in this case to special operations forces. >> yeah, okay. apparently not. thank you, richard. joining me with more, retired colonel jack jacobs. good day to you.
good day to you, sir. as a soldier, what's your interpretation in terms of the level of resistance they seemed to have faced and how risky this is and the tactics they used? >> operations like this are always risky. you heard the crack of gunfire. that was gunfire coming in. that was from the bad guys, not gunfire going out. it's a very risky operation. but the way in which these operations are conducted tries to minimize the risk. they probably landed at a point by helicopter away from the objective and then conducted an infiltration rather than hovering overhas in helicopters and coming down. they established an objective rally point from which they came to encircle the compound, and then when they evacuated the troops they went back to an objective rally point where they brought helicopters in to evacuate all the commandos and
hostages. these kind of operations are routine to the extent they are practiced all the time. when we conduct them at all, this is the way we conduct them. >> the mission operative was to get these 15 kurdish hostages. none of whom were actually rescued. how do you categorize this mission. y they rescued 70 people. that's all very important. how will the pentagon look at this raid? >> they are going to look at it as a success, the loss of sergeant wheeler notwithstanding. the fact of the matter is we conduct these kind of operations all the time. and they're going to become more frequent. we listened yesterday, day before yesterday, to the secretary of defense who told us as much. we're going to continue doing these things. >> what's that going to look like, jack? ash carter said we're going to keep doing these.
how often? how frequent? the president has said we do not have boots on the ground in any sort of active military combative role. and, yet, this is what we see. >> well, the administration quite frankly is making an unsuccessful attempt to parse the difference between a large number of conventional troops fighting an enemy day-to-day on the one hand, which from their standpoint is boots on the ground, and operations such as this which are, quite frankly, boots on the ground. i don't think anybody is fooling anybody. we have boots on the ground. we'll continue to have them. continue to have them. and what the administration is committed to doing is not putting large numbers of conventional troops on the ground. the fact of the matter is we have troops in combat and we'll continue to do so. >> when the president says the idea is to degrade and destroy i isis, how many ground troops would that take? >> a lot more troops than we
currently have there. and just as important, a lot more time. and i don't think, politically, the white house, obviously, has decided that politically it's impossible to, a, put lots more troops on the ground, what it would really take but to stay there long enough, in some evaluations decades, in order to get this done properly. this is what you're going to see. raids conducted by a variety of commandos, training missions on the ground. and all of them, all of them have the potential for having american casualties. >> thank you so much, colonel jack. vice president biden is reflecting on his decision not to make another run for president. his thoughts in just a moment. a new poll could explain why republican voters prefer donald trump or ben carson no matter what most of the other candidates do or say. yea, allow me to demonstrate. you like that pretzel?
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in a new interview airing today, vice president biden is taking us inside the moment he decided not to enter the presidential election. a decision that appeared to be uncertain right up until the end of this past week. >> i came home and hunter, our son was upstairs with mom, with jill. i walked in and i said i just don't think there's time. i don't think we can run the kind of campaign we have to run to be able to win. i remember jill got up off the couch, gave me a big hug and said, i think you're right. >> the republican presidential primary has solidified into a horse race between donald trump and ben carson. trump's unfavorable rating is significantly higher. he didn't seem to notice in new interviews today. >> carson is a very low-energy
person. we need high energy people. >> why? >> we are so far behind the 8 ball. you need a stronger temperament. you have to have a strong temperament. i've watched people all of my life. and i know all about low energy guys. it doesn't work. it doesn't work. >> naturally carson could not be provoked in his interviews this morning. he responded to trump in his usual style. >> i don't get into the mud pit and i'm not going to be talking about people. i'll tell you in terms of energy. i'm not sure there's anybody else running who has spent 18 or 20 hours intently operating on somebody. >> joining me now is eleanor christ, washington correspondent for the daily beast and paul singer for "usa today." with a big hello to you both, i want to pick up on what ben carson was just saying and the way he says things. donald trump accuses him of not having any energy. that could be interpreted as a guy who just is calm, cool and collected under pressure.
he's a neurosurgeon. who else has spent ten-plus hours on his feet operating on someone's brain. >> yeah, i think you can define energy in a number of ways. when you just played the comment from donald trump about a strong temperament. i was thinking to myself, hillary clinton by sitting through 11 hours of questioning conveyed that she had a strong temperament. you don't have to do it by shouting. i think donald trump has probably met his match now with ben carson because they seem to each have an equal hold on the base republican voters. >> as i have my director put up the poll, let's take a listen to what ben carson said in his interview with chuck todd about his being an outsider. >> common sense is a lot more valuable than many years in the
political arena. witness the fact that in congress we have 8700 years of political experience. where has that gotten us? i think the people are willing to open their eyes and say, let's talk about common sense. >> the ap/gfk poll seems to echo his sentiment. 77% of republicans prefer an outsider over someone with experience. they have a separate question in which 76% of republicans prefer someone with private sector leadership experience. so, paul, do you think this is what is driving carson and trump's appeal? and how far do you think it's going to take them? don't voters also want someone with a concrete agenda for solving problems? >> carson and trump are different sides of the same coin which is if you're out in the world, outside of the beltway. people say, i want someone who tells the honest truth who says what they think, who says what they mean and is sort of unprocessed through the filter
of political advisers. and trump with his very aggressive sort of in your face style and carson with his actually very quiet, very dispassionate style, totally opposite styles, but both are perceived by voters as being real guys telling you what's on their mind. both also addressing some of these conservative issues that appeal to the republican base. >> at what point are they each going to have to put up specifics? donald trump, a lot of his specifics on immigration they just don't hold up. they get debunked left and right. eleanor? >> one person's common sense is another person's lunacy, and a lot of the things ben carson has s said will not play very well outside of a very narrow band of the republican base. and they do put up specifics. but then they kind of just brush over those as though only you washington insiders care about those things. once we get in there, we'll do
fine. ben carson says he'll get experts when he needed a kidney specialist, when he had a problem with a patient with kidney problem, he'd bring in a kidney specialist. he suggests he could just bring in lots of people to handle all those minor details. and that's a leadership style that i think again has a lot of surface appeal to people who are paying casual attention to a political system that they've grown to loathe. >> paul, i heard you agreeing with eleanor. i'm going to move on to another topic. i want to get to the benghazi hearing and hear how trey gowdy responded to criticism that he focused too much on sydney blumenthal. >> even some republicans were wondering, why you were going down the sydney blumenthal, what some call the rabbit hole. >> these are all about libya and benghazi. to the extent he was one of the more prolific e-mailers to her on the subject matter.
how do you not ask? how is this person who has no formal role in government and no expertise in libya or benghazi, how does he have unfettered access to you but the ambassador, not a single e-mail to or from him? i get that people want to reforethese as sydney blumenthal e-mails? they're hillary clinton e-mails she received from him. it would be a derlication of duty if you didn't ask about them. >> what do you make of trey gowdy's response there. >> i don't know how it moves the dial. people who hate hillary clinton already think she's lied about a bunch of things. people who love hillary already believe republicans are obsessed with trying to tear her down. i don't see how a discussion about sydney blumenthal matters much. and ultimately, i think the point they're trying to make is, gosh, hillary clinton wasn't sufficiently paying attention to the experts in libya, in her own
government, about what was going on in libya. instead hearing from these guys. i'm not sure it matters anymore. i'm not sure people are focused on it. >> how about the optics of all this. the mainstream media thinking hillary clinton won this whole experience and she came out. even some conservative media as made by mercedes last hour with me, a year from now people are seriously considering who they are going to be voting for, will this carry hillary clinton, her performance here? was this performance presidential? >> oh, i think it was very presidential. but that's not to say that there aren't some issues that are raised in these hearings that will be an issue next september, october, november, if, in fact, she is the nominee. she was a principal supporter of intervention in libya. lib knra has not turned out so well because the administration really didn't pay attention after the initial military
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with alex witt." the video which captured the harrowing moment a migrant baby was rescued from the sea. this video may be upsetting to some viewers. >> that fisherman is yelling, he's alive, he's alive as he scrambles to resuscitate this 18-month-old baby. lon mott is joining us from london. i have chills. walk us through that rescue and tell us how that baby is doing. >> took my breath away the first time i saw it. the baby is fine and survived. when you see that video for the first time you are looking at what you believe is a lifeless
body of a 18-month-old child. this happened on thursday. we have to report that so many people, more than 2,600 people have died trying to make that very cross, trying to get from turkey and other places across the mediterranean over to greece. and this child was very close to being one of them. these two fishermen were out and they came upon all these people in the water, floating in the water. their boat capsized. there were about 30 of them in total on this very small vessel. according to the mom, they were promised a much bigger boat but then they overloaded the boat. they were trying to make it across the sea there when it capsized. here's video from last night just fed out today. new pictures of the reunion with these heroic fishermen. the mother's name is lauren. muhammad hassan is the child. she thanked them for saving her son's life. they didn't think he had a shot when they pulled him out of the
water. when they got him into the boat they heard him whimper. this story has a very happy ending. many, many others have not in this great migration we've seen across this part of the world. >> this one was a miracle. big wow. thank you for bringing it to us. the remnants of hurricane patricia are hiting texas with torrential rain. now it's on the move again. meteorologist bonnie schneider is tracking it for us. >> we're looking at louisiana, alabama, mississippi, getting hit hard with that remnant low from patricia. we've already seen tremendous rain in waco, texas. 7.75 inches yesterday. shattering a record. many cities in texas had record rain. the central gulf coast where we could see 4 to 8 inches of rain. ten inches in some locations. looking at the radar, you zoom in to central louisiana, right along the gulf coast.
getting hit hard with rain. that's coming down hard into new iberia and lake charles as well. tough go of it along interstate 10 from lake charles to new orleans. there's the low on the move. we're still looking at the flood threat toward the southern sections of mississippi. looking for more rain coming back into lake charles and lafayette on the back side of the low. you get that wrap around effect. at least it gets lighter there. the next place, the florida panhandle. heavy rain into monday. monday evening towards pensacola and tallahassee. so this is the way it shapes up for the next three days. the bulk of the rain coming in today, tonight and early monday. still looking at substantial rain for mississippi as well as new orleans. looking at that. and you see the numbers going up as we progress through the day. mobile, 5.1 inches. always the risk of flooding, particularly along the gulf
shore. and that's where we'll run that lif risk for coastal floodings. all this will be pushing to the east and even later as we go toward next week we'll be talking about a rainmaker for areas on the east coast. this one storm patricia is impacting so many places as we go through the weekend and monday. >> bonnie schneider, thank you. pope francis has closed out an historic meeting of bishops. they narrowly approved an important new direction welcoming divorced and civilly divorced couples. claudio, explain what happened here. >> well, bishops from around the world, about 270, met here in rome for the last couple of weeks. they were meant to discuss issues that affect today's family. the most contention ones were homosexuality among catholics and the issue of divorced and
civilly remarried catholics. until now, they have been branded as sinful. it was an act of sin to have sex with a new wife or husband if they did not have the previous marriage annulled by the vatican. the catholic church. that doesn't happen very often because it's a very lengthy process. they tried to relax that attitude towards these kind of catholics, and they have proposed in the final text, they offered the end of the synod, the gathering of bishops, that this divorce and remarried catholics should be more integrated into the catholic church. they should not be treated as excommunicated. they went short of saying that they can get communion. of course, communion is one thing they cannot receive if you have divorced if you are divorced and remarried without annulment of the catholic church. they say this is something they should discuss with their priests and bishops and it will be looked into as a case to case
scenario. >> may i ask you about what is behind reports suggesting the pope is addressing health issues? some are even specifically citing a brain tumor. >> well, that came out a few days ago, alex. came out in a local newspaper here. it was rejected and denied by the vatican about two or three times already. that news seems to be false. what's really interesting here is to understand where that news came from. some cardinals and more than one person within the vatican circle has suggested, has cried foul. suggested that that may have come from within the vatican itself in an attempt maybe to undermine the authority of the pope by suggesting that his judgment was somewhat, somehow impaired because the words by the pope who has been seen as a bit of a liberal in terms of these kind of issues as divorce and remarried and homosexuality in the catholic church did not
go down among everybody among the bishops and vatican circles. the pope said times are changing. it's time for christians to change with it. well, as the final draft of the meeting of the bishops has suggested, there was some kind of compromise between the more liberal cardinals who agreed with those words and tried to move on with the times and the traditionalists who just want to have things stay the way they are. especially if you consider what happened on the issue of homosexuality. nothing really happened there. in the end they said you should not discriminate homosexuals in the catholic church but treat them with dignity and respect but the fact that gay marriage should not be equal to a marriage with a man and a woman which is the only one the catholic church recognizes. >> political intrigue here among the college of cardinals. thank you claudio lavagna. how could a movie about a 5-year-old boy held in captivity be described as beautiful? (man) hmm. w
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imagine spending your entire life locked up in a shed, four walls and one skylight. that's "room." a new movie that follows the life of a kidnapped woman who must raise her 5-year-old son in captivity and the challenges they face when they are ultimately freed. >> jump, run, somebody. >> i'm scared. >> i know. >> i'm going to be there in your head talking to you the whole time. >> when the truck slows down. run, somebody. >> jack, listen to me. this is our chance. >> joining me now is the director of that film. lenny abramson. i told you before we started talking here officially that i cried seeing that film, and that scene in there, that's part of a
trailer. but my palms were sweating. i knew how this was going to end. i read the book. how did you take the inevitable and turn it into such a thriller? >> in this film you spend such a concentrated time with this mother and son and you really feel how much they care about each other, love each other. you believe the situation. >> the film is so great, i want to play another clip. >> thank you. >> here's that. >> i don't know what's wrong with me. i was supposed to be happy. >> you just need to rest. >> no, i don't. i don't need to rest. >> that's what the doctor -- >> that's not what the doctor said. it was a confidential conversation. you don't know what he said. all right, all right, all right. you're impossible to talk to right now. i'm sorry. >> no, you're not sorry. >> no, i'm not sorry. you have no idea what's going on in my head. >> so i came away from that film marveling at the acting of these too.
brie larson and the 9-year-old. >> 7 when we started. >> what were their biggest challenges playing these roles? >> brie's challenge to understand what it would be like to be in such an extraordinary situation. most of the time actors are dealing with things they can more directly relate to. she had to -- we did an awful lot of work over about seven or eight months. we talked to specialists in terms of physical stuff, diet, lack of sunlight and psychologically how people deal with traumatic situations while they're happening. what's interesting in the film in a way, she's a better month and in a sense more herself inside the room than she is when she comes out, when she's got to suddenly deal with remembering the things she suppressed while in there. >> this story, the original star borrowed from the headlines about the fritzel case and then the more recent ones in cleveland. so i went into this film somewhat apprehensive thinking,
this is going to be hard to watch. i came out inspired. how did you do that? >> thank you. a huge credit to emma donahue whose novel this is. and the brilliant story was to tell the story from the point of view of the child. this child through incredible courage and ingenuity and extreme example of what mothers and fathers do all the time. she managed to protect her kid that he's not frightened but protected from what's going on with her in the room. it's an okay place. >> he seems happy there. >> there's a place. there's magic in it. it's the location of a real childhood. for me the film is a celebration of parental love, it's about growing up and we wanted to make it life affirming and an uplifting film out of something which is very dark. >> i loved seeing it with my son. we had this conversation about the love of parents and what they try to do for their kids. lenny abramson, good luck with
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community members gather to demand answers from authorities. friday the fbi joined the investigation. more and more attention is being paid to arrests and shootings of african-americans by police officers. "the new york times" today reports that black drivers face disproportionate risks of being stopped and arrested while driving. sharon, with a big welcome to you, i want to talk about you and your team which examined thousands of traffic stops in
greensboro. in short, what did you find? >> we really examined about 40 million traffic stops in seven states. and everywhere we found that blacks were more likely to be pulled over which in itself doesn't prove anything because blacks may be poorer and less likely to -- more likely to have regulatory or equipment problems. we looked at four states where there were searches. we found everywhere that blacks were more likely to be searched than bhwhite motorists even thoh they were more likely to have contraband. we found that blacks were more likely to be pulled over. >> in greensboro, 41% of the
population there being african-american. i'm looking at your article. specifically to your last point. four times as many as blacks as whites are arrested on sole charges of delaying -- some north carolina police chiefs say don't do this. don't do this unless there's a more serious crime involved. >> the police chief instructs his officers to find some way to move the motorist down the road and not bring that charge at all. and there also was a disparity in the marijuana charges. less than half an ounce of marijuana, you aren't arrested but nonetheless, it does have consequences. you have it on your criminal record and blacks were five times more likely to face law. part of the reason is likely a higher rate of searches. so as you mentioned, this goes
beyond greenboro certainly across four states and one level and into seven. the doj has chosen six cities to participate in a program aimed at reducing bias. the doj also released its report on the widespread bias in ferguson, missouri. are we seeing any changes in attitudes as these programs move forward? >> i think society is really searching for police strategies that will result in people of color not feeling harassed and profiled and targeted and yet people -- criminals of any color and ethnicity will still be afraid of the police and it's trying to find that medium that's so difficult. >> when you talk about the seven states with the most sweeping requirements, police officers are more likely to pull over black drivers than white drivers, you also say that by
itself that is not proof of bias. at what point does that change? >> i mean, i think that the hit rates of searches is the most sort of dramatic finding and the one that when police chiefs are -- learn of it, sometimes they're kind of gob smacked like why are you searching blacks at twice the rate of whites when you're finding contraband more often with whites? and, you know, actually hats off to north carolina for collecting the data. it's probably the states that don't collect the data at all where the problem is bigger, and greensboro was just typical of north carolina as a whole. >> one report shows that half of all black males have been arrested by the age of 23. did your reporting find any targeting on age itself, and i need this in 10 or 15 seconds? >> we didn't zero in on age. >> you give it to me in less than 10 or 15 seconds. thank you very much.
appreciate you coming in from "the new york times" and we'll see you again. >> it was a pleasure. >> thank you. for all of you, that is a wrap of this sunday edition of "weekends with alex witt." up next is "meet the press." you seem knowledgeable, professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? i would. i would indeed. well, let's be clear here. i'm actually a dj. [ dance music plays ] [laughs] no way! i have no financial experience at all. that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro, you just don't know. find a certified financial planner professional who's thoroughly vetted at letsmakeaplan.org. cfp -- work with the highest standard.
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