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streets to cheer their team on when out of the blue witnesses say chambers drove her car right into the crowd sending people flying. she was arrested and charged with driving under the influence but chambers' attorney maintains that she wasn't under the influence of drugs or alcohol. just before her arraignment, chambers' father spoke addressing the issue of her mental health. >> there was just some things she said in the past and some of -- just recently. and she had a mental hospital -- she went to in wagner at one time. they had her for a couple of weeks and they released her. said there's nothing else to do for her. so -- i took her to another place when she got out of there and basically the same thing. she was feeling fine. and, you know, at that point, she was 21 so i've done all i could do as a father. i didn't know where else to
turn. >> joining me now with a latest nbc's sarah dallof in stillwater, oklahoma. sarah? >> reporter: well, good afternoon, kate. 25-year-old adacia chambers did not enter a plea. the judge set the next court appearance for coming up in two weeks. and a million dollars bond. witnesses empty courtroom said that the judge angled the monitor away from the audience and not actually able to see her and appeared via video and her boyfriend, aunt and father in court and spoke to the media as you saw before that hearing got started saying they are just as confused as anyone as to what would cause someone to drive their vehicle into a crowd celebrating a homecoming parade. they say the night before the incident she was in good spirits. she talked about preparing to move home to be closer to her family. all of this as the community continues to pray for those
still listed in critical condition as well as mourn the loss of the four people killed including a professor, and his wife, a master's student of india and a 2-year-old boy with his mother. she was also injured in the incident. you can see here this makeshift memorial here behind me. some paying respects and pray or sing and leaving behind momentos and the growing memorial, a grief and shock this community is hearing. like i said, chambers will be back in court in two weeks. a lot of people struggle to answer the question, why? why did this happen? and what happened in the moments leading up to it? kate, back to you. >> sarah dallof in oklahoma, thanks so much. we turn to republican presidential politics. donald trump holding a town hall with the "today" show today and asked about new iowa polls showing him falling to second
place behind ben carson. >> i don't believe i did fall behind. it was one poll and a second poll. small polls. and i was in iowa three days ago. we had a town hall that was unbelievable. it was packed. i'll say that i think i'm winning in iowa. i think i'm doing really well we van gel calls, tea party and everything else. that was the only one where i have a slight not lead. >> but just a few hours after he spoke, a third iowa poll showed carson extending the lead in the hawkeye state to 14 points over trump. today's town hall, trump committed what some call a gaffe saying when she started off his father gave him a, quote, small loan of a million dollars. >> not been easy for me. it's not been easy for me. i started off in brooklyn. my father gave me a small loan of a million dollars. i came into manhattan and had to pay him back and with interest. >> joining me now nbc's katy tur in new hampshire.
katy, reminiscent of the time hillary clinton said she and bill were dead broke. maybe not so relatible. is there any response coming from the campaign? >> reporter: i really think this is only reminiscent of hillary clinton's comments on paper. i think donald trump has always owned his wealth. he's flaunted it. he's bragged about it and his supporters like that about him. this million dollar loan comment didn't go over poorly in the room. we asked the person who asked the original question which was have you ever been told in your life? that's when donald trump went off on that rift about a million dollar loan to get into manhattan real estate. they said that they liked the answer. donald trump supporters enjoy the fact that he is a what they think is a self-made man. they think that he was able to take a smaller amount of money and build it into a vast empire. they somehow and kind of identify with that. they think that if he could do it, they could do it, also, they believe that he is a relatible person in that way. they don't necessarily need him
to be going to a diner and shaking hands with them they toll me. they said that he is in a lot of ways too busy for that. too good for that, if you will. he doesn't need to do it. the people that support donald trump do not see it as a gaffe or a problem. the campaign itself doesn't see it as a problem either. in terms of the contrast or the comparison with hillary clinton's comments, it is just -- on paper, it's something that seems to be similar but in reality it's not something that donald trump has ever shied away from. >> all right. katy tur in new hampshire for us, thank you. leading the polls in iowa, as we have said, ben carson made headlines comparing abortion to slavery in an appearance on nbc's "meet the press." >> think about this. during slavery, and i know that's one of those words you're not supposed to say, but i'm saying it, during slavery the owners thought they had the right to do whatever they wanted to that slave. anything that they chose to do.
and, you know, what if the abolitionist had said, you know, i don't believe in slavery. i think it's wrong. but you guys do whatever you want to do. where would we be? >> definitively, do you want to see roe v. wade overturned? >> ultimately i would love to see it overturned. >> for more on the carson campaign, we're joined by steve car kna kornacki. what does it mean politically? >> we talk about donald trump's sort of sagging in iowa right now. but obviously, the bigger part of the story is ben carson's rise an you say it's three -- the four new polls and another one this afternoon, a college poll with a double digit lead to ben carson. the newest monmouth of 32-18. looking closer, it is amazing. the favorable/unfavorable scores. ben carson get this among iowa
republicans, 84 to 7. favorable unfavorable. donald trump sitting there 53/38. jeb bush upside down on that one. 42-46. >> huge for carson. >> donald trump having a difficult time, you know, how do i handle this, address that? that's the context i think for these comments about religion over the weekend, bringing up the fact that ben carson is a seventh-day adventist and i don't know about that. i'm a presbyterian. that's as middle of the rose road as you get. in 2007 mitt romney was the front-runner in iowa and questions of evangelical christians go along with a mormon presidential candidate? mike huckabee is an ordained baptist minister and raised questions about the mormon faith in an interview of "the new york times." >> i remember that. >> people said is that a way to signal get away from this guy.
is donald trump trying to do the same thing with ben carson? >> he explained it saying i don't know anything about that religion. >> it is a strange thing to introduce without a context. he didn't say anything negative and did bring it up. the other piece of information to keep in mind about iowa, last month, if you're in iowa and you've been watching television in iowa for a month, a group called the club for growth which is a very conservative group on economic issues has spent a million dollars in the last month on attack ads against donald trump in iowa so the question is, maybe that stole his momentum in that state a little bit and maybe considering trump going to carson instead and the catch for carson to be careful of is the president of the club for growth had some very harsh words for him the other day, basically said the rhetoric and the positions on issues of health care and economic growth are contradictory so the question now is, donald trump was in first in iowa. the club for growth spent. now in second. will they go after ben carson? >> just to be clear on this,
those two little polls that trump called them, you know, he was really dismissive on the "today" show and said they were little polls. they're four polls now. >> four polls, margins are -- >> not little polls. >> 9 points, 9 points, 14 points and 11 points. those are the margins that donald trump finds himself down in the four most recent polls in iowa. the question is evangelical voters flocking to ben carson right now. iowa is not the only state where they loom large. the next one in the calendar is south carolina. so the question is, are -- is what we're seeing in iowa now going to also play out in south carolina? trump has been leading by 18 points there. if evangelicals move against him in south carolina there goes the lead. >> steve, thanks so much. >> sure. right now, president obama scheduled to be meeting behind closed doors with the president of indonesia to press the leader of southeast asia's largest to
join the transpacific partnership with 40% of the world economy. for more i'm joined by nbc news's ron allen. what's the president hoping to get out of the meeting? >> reporter: it's a big agenda. tough get to the fact in indonesia a country of 250 million people, it's the world's largest muslim country, an ally in the war of terrorism and a victim of terrorism itself. it's a huge growing democracy and therefore as you were mentioning a potential trade partner for the united states. the transpacific partnership is a controversial trade deal in the united states that most democrats and labor organizations do not support but it's a significant part of what the president wants to be his legacy to this -- of his administration. it's something that the congress is going to take up in the months to come and the president is going to rely on xlin allies to get it through. but with indonesia the idea is that president widodo like president and grew up and spent
some five years of childhood in indonesia and a great affinity there, the president's trying to help indonesia raise the profile. they're trying to take a higher standing in the world and as i said the trade deal is probably the most important thing to talk about and a short-term crisis. right now there are fires, forest fires raging in indonesia causing a huge toxic problem across that country, malaysia, singapore, thailand. so the president of indonesia's going to cut short the visit and return home. he was heading out to parts of the united states to help drum up business but those fires are so significant he has to leave before he wanted to. so, of course, climate. the environment is also an issue. it was before the fires. but indonesia is a huge emitter of carbon gases so a huge agenda, a huge country. 250 million people. and the president and the president of indonesia sitting down for talks that are going to be very, very extensive. kate? >> ron allen at the white house,
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we're following developing news, parts of the gulf coast under water today and storms pummel the region following more than a foot of rain over the weekend in parts of texas and nearly ten inches in louisiana. all remnants of hurricane patricia to blame. the storm is moving east now hitting mississippi, alabama and
the florida panhandle and bringing tornado threats. joining us from the ground and florida, nbc's charles hadlock. when's happening there? >> reporter: hi, kate. just as you came to us, this is the lightest rain we have had all day here. it is raining since about 10:00 last night here in pensacola. the last couple of hours, the torrential rains really hit. but they got between 2 and 5 inches of rain here in pence color itself. that's about what was forecast. they were expecting perhaps the chance of flash flooding. some streets flooded at times but the water is draining away now. this is all part of that comp complicated weather system that hit texas over the weekend and the part of that remnants of that powerful hurricane that hit the mexican coast on saturday, it got all wrapped up and is now moving across the florida peninsula right now. it will be in parts of georgia and then the atlantic very soon. it is caused havoc in texas,
louisiana, new orleans got 8 inches of rain in the last 24 hours. that's the most of any day in october on record. so they're drying out today, as well. this weather system is expected to continue to move east and now pensacola can once again begin to dry out. >> maybe coming back the you every 15 minutes it won't rain there again. one could help. >> reporter: that's true. it could come, yes. >> tharls, thanks so much. mexico's pacific coast may have been spared the full force of 200-mile-per-hour winds of hurricane patricia but did damage is extensive. mudslides flash flooding, winds tore roofs off houses and uprooted trees. gabe gutierrez has a firsthand look. gabe? >> reporter: the forecast dire. a monster category 5 hurricane barrelling down on mexico's coast. incredibly, no deaths have been reported. but now, we are getting the first up close look at some of the people directly in the
storm's path. deep in the sierra ma bring, a small town. this man evacuated his elderly parents from their home before the roof collapsed. his family rode out the storm here in his brer's house. we thought we would die, he told us. this was the eye of the storm. hurricane patricia slammed into mexico's coast with winds of up to 165 miles per hour. but residents here credit these mountains with breaking it apart. still, residents describe a terrifying night capturing the howling winds on cell phones. this woman said it sounded like the devil but she and everyone else here survived. a day later, a welcomed discovery. their family's dog had disappeared during the storm. her name means little one. now considering calling her
patricia. that town a few hundred residents, many saying it could have been much worse. officials here in mexico say security measures and evacuations put in place before the hurricane struck may have saved lives and infrastructure. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, manzanillo, mexico. afghanistan and pakistan, close to 200 people dead, scores more injured after an earthquake of 7.5 in magnitude. the numbers are expected to climb as officials are able to get closer to the areas of destruction. buildings and homes collapsed and stampedes of people poured down the streets. joining us on the ground now in pakistan via skype is nbc's waj khan. what are you seeing? >> well, i just got in from lahor in central pakistan where i was earlier in the day when the wake struck. i'm in islamabad and i'm back to
the house and a boundary wall is collapsed and a similar story. more north you go in the region, the more damage there is. so far, 200 dead confirmed in pakistan. 1,000 injured. at least 70 confirmed dead in afghanistan. these are very isolated parts of both countries. in the northeast of afghanistan and the northwest of pakistan. we have usually heard this area when in the terror -- in the war on terror context and that's where most of the casualties have been but you don't really see this part of the country come in the news, last time there was a quake of similar proportions over 7.5, 77,000 people died. that was in 2005. now, this particular quake lasted more than 90 seconds. it was very intense when it happened. i experienced it in lahor and the aftershocks kicking in over
here in islamabad. people are sleeping out in the cars. the aftershocks comesing in every 20 minutes or so. and people are sleeping out in the streets. interestingly, india has offered aid to arch rival pakistan but the country's rejected that offer very politely saying that pakistan will be able to deal with this crisis on its own. >> so about ten years ago, that other devastating earthquake you mentioned, so many people died. were buildings repaired and rebuilt to better code, to better standards? do you expect maybe this time around we won't see hopefully quite as much death? >> yes. there has been a restructuring code in place. an apartment block around ten blocks up from me, an entire superstructure around 20 stories collapsed. we're hearing that the building next to it has with stood today and cracks. however, we're also hearing from
geologists we have talked to and the met people that this quake in particular was 200 kilometers, the epicenter 200 kilometers deep. it was much deeper than the 2005 of october and causing the casualties. so it was a more intense quake but pakistan and afghanistan are lucky because the epicenter was much deeper than the previous ones. so the damage is relatively less. still, around 300 people dead in the region. confirmed so far. and casualties are still coming in. >> waj khan with nbc there in islamabad, thank you for reporting in. we'll get back to you again for more updates. helmet cam video shows a daring rescue of 70 prisoners held by isis. frightening new details now about the torture they endured. and mayday. a whale watching boat capsizes packed with tourists. what caused it to sink? jeb bush tries to reassure
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former british prime minister blair is now apologizing for mistakes made in the lead-up to the iraq war but he will not apologize for removing saddam hussein. this past weekend blair acknowledged that sad did not have weapons of mass destruction as they claimed at the time. >> i can say that i apologize for the fact that the intelligence we received was wrong because even though he had used chemical weapons extensively against his own people, against others, the program in in the form we thought it was did not exist in the way that we thought so i can apologize for that. >> the former prime minister said he still believes, though, that removing saddam hussein was the right thing to do. the prisoners freed in last
week's raid on an isis prison by u.s. and kurdish forces are now talking about their aordeal. nbc news obtained a dramatic helmet cam video inside the raid over the weekend. you hear the sound of gun fire throughout and now new video of that same prison being destroyed in a u.s.-led air strike. over the weekend, the body of master sergeant joshua wheeler who lost his life in that raid arrived back on u.s. soil. he's the first u.s. soldier killed in combat in iraq since 2011. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel joins us from istanbul, turkey. what are the prisoners saying about the conditions inside that prison? >> reporter: they were freed as you know in a raid that was jointly conducted by american commandos, delta force, highly elite and secretive unit and kurdish commandos and delta force very rarely if ever talks about anything they do.
the kurdish commandos seem to want to be getting credit here in the regional government releasing some of the foot ablg. and even today, put some of the freed hostages on local kurdish television so they could thank the main kurdish political leader and described their captivity and it was used as something of a pr boost for the kurdish government. and in these interviews, and there were a series of interviews, it's hard to know how free they were or how objective they were, they were asked clearly to say thank you and they did say thank you. they described horrific treatment by isis, how there was frequent executions. how they were sometimes forced to be suffocated and choke and pass out only so that they could be woken up in terrific pain.
>> translator: they would put plastic bags over our head and tighten them until we passed out and then torture us we electric shocks. >> reporter: so these 70 hostages and they were 22 of them were members of the iraqi security services, the u.s. says the hostages say the kurdish officials say that they were going to be executed. that their graves had already been dug. a series of executions carried out among these prisoners in the days prior to the rescue. so, they really got out in the nick of time with their lives. and this video shows that incredible moment when they were streaming out one after another into the hands of the commandos and taken away on helicopters. about 80 all told. 40 or so americans, 40 or so kurds and then another 70
hostages. so we're talking about 150 to 160 people who were taken away from this scene in helicopters that were brought in so it must have been an incredible moment for the rescuers and absolutely for the hostages. >> you can imagine. richard, i know early on there were reports that some of those that they rescued might have been members at one time of isis who were considered traitors and those people i think were taken by the kurdish forces. do we know anymore about that? i'm wondering whether intelligence will get any information about isis and their operations out of any of these folks. >> reporter: u.s. officials said they have obtained some information because of this raid. and there's a lot of interesting detail here. the kurdish forces were involved and they asked the american forces to help them because they thought other kurds were being held hostages and they went in.
they attacked this target and expected to find a large group of kurdish fighters. instead they found iraqi soldiers an they found civilians, iraqi civilians, some of them were isis members or isis wannabes that isis decided they couldn't be trusted, suspected of treason and punished by the group. other people were civilians who had upset isis for one reason or another and not hard to do. you can smoke if you blaspheme, if you do anything that offends the very, very fragile ego and sensibilities of isis, you can wind up in a horrific prison or sentenced to death. so these people clearly have a motivation to talk about the ordeal. their lives have been saved. they were facing imminent death. we'll see how much information they do say.
they do provide. u.s. officials say have been providing intelligence. >> fascinating. thanks so much. straight ahead, it's gop debate week and with trump and carson jockeying for the top spot in iowa, jeb bush is turning to his family's heavy hitters to get back into the mix. and the story behind these tragic pictures of a whale watching trip gone terribly wrong. why pause a spontaneous moment to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess.
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back now with more politics. today jeb bush is in houston, texas, trying to reassure donors he is in it to win it after he was forced to make big cuts to the campaign operation and voiced frustration with the direction of the race at an event over the weekend. >> if this election is about how we're going to fight to get nothing done, then i don't want anything -- i don't want any part of it. i have lot of really cool things to do other than sit around being miserable listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize
them. that's a joke. elect trump if you want this. >> for more on the bush campaign and headlines popping this hour, i'm joined again by steve kornacki and political editor carrie dann, as well. that sound bite, stoeve, you sot of grimace and sounds like he's saying what he feels right now. >> and feeling frustration and doesn't come across particularly well and the risk of jeb bush in a statement like that is what he communicates is a sense of entitlement, i was supposed to win this. when he talks about that phrase, i think that's going to be something he's reminded of a lot, that phrase there's a lot of other cool things i could be doing, that's going to come up again and again and i got to say the other side of this, donald trump. donald trump has been and you can see the fact he invokes trump by name in a moment of frustration shows you the degree to which trump, a, has gotten under jeb bush's skin and b has been effective in really
reducing jeb bush in the eyes of many republican voters and i saw it trump out there this weekend. jeb with a donor retreat and talking about mommy and dad. >> let's play that from this morning. this is trump speaking about jeb bush just today. >> bush is out there, his campaign's a disaster. that's because i came along. i'm proud of it. bush is now cutting salaries by 40% and 50%. so he's meeting now with mom and dad. no, it's true. he needs counsel. and he was very angry over the week. he said, you know, if this is going to be this nasty, let them have trump as their president. if he doesn't like my tone, how will he do with putin? >> carrie, he is with family today, right? in texas. he is with mom and dad and i
think brother george w. bush has been around, as well. >> well, and this -- trump -- this insult of trump about mommy and daddy is a quintessential donald trump insult and guaranteed to get underneath jeb bush's skin and talked since the beginning of the campaign how he's very defensive of his father and remains loyal to his brother. the family insults are something that bother jeb bush. and the other side of it being quintessential donald trump insult is something that has a little bit of a grain of truth with the republican primary electorate. when you talk to grassroots republican voters that don't like jeb bush, the thing that keeps coming up again and again is a sense of entitlement, he is next in line and a reliance on the family so hearing this from donald trump, he's really kind of needling jeb bush at a sensitive place for the candidate himself and for republican primary voters looking at donald trump and ben carson and saying, here's somebody who's not dependent as much on a family on a dynasty.
a then's why they like those non- -- outside of washington politicians. >> steve, what can jeb bush do to win? like, when's the path right now for jeb bush to get out of this funk and get back into a real position? >> i think it's got to be the long game and the long game got to be to get through to iowa, to new hampshire and to get the field reduced, to get a rubio out of the way. to get a lot of these other candidates out of the way and set up a race sort of an establishment candidate versus donald trump and the establishment candidate versus ted cruz or ben carson. get to a situation where he can look at republicans in an essentially deliver the message, yeah, i know you might get excited by trump and cruz, but if you want to win, beat hillary clinton, want to get the white house back, i'm the only game in town. >> i'm your guy. >> that's one of the biggest problems is he cannot point to these general election trial heats against hillary clinton and say, hey, look. i'm the only electable one. he does worse than a lot of
candidates right now. >> carrie, he mentioned ted cruz. number three in the iowa polls today i think. tied in third for iowa. so picking up some financial supporters of rick perry's old campaign. nobody's been talking about ted cruz much. should we be keeping an eye on him? >> absolutely. in iowa, picked up endorsements in that state. building support of evangelical leaders and people looking at donald trump and ben carson aren't as enamored of them. maybe on the evangelical and social issues side or worried about electability issues. ted cruz is slowly an surely picking up the financial support earls from texas, from rick perry's campaign and he might be the kind of candidate who is anti-washington enough and but to be built to last for the evangelicals to have especially in the state of iowa a winner 0 of that iowa caucus who's not so much of an outsider and can go into new hampshire and beyond
with a strong base of support. >> carrie, steve, going to be a fun debate to watch on wednesday night. thank you both for being with us. at least five people are dead after a whale watching boat sank off the coast of british columbia on sunday. a person still missing. the search is ongoing. for more, let's bring in nbc news correspondent morgan radford. morgan? >> reporter: that's right. this happened after a 65-foot boat, a whale watching boat, sank just off the coast of vancouver island, canada. 27 people on board when that mayday call went out around 4:00 p.m. pacific time. 3 -- 21 people pulled from the water and 5 people killed and 1 missing. kate, just a sense of what the day was like yesterday when this happened, it was off the the coast of a town of 2,000 people and they said the day started out normally. it was partly cloudy. but there was no unusual circumstances in the weather. there was only some light rain
and 64 degrees and the water was 52 degrees fahrenheit. again, authorities are trying to figure out what caused this boat to sink. given that the weather is not unusual and not the first time this happened. the same company that owned this boat had an incident in 1998 and four people on the boat completely launched into water. one died, a captain. the other died who was a german tourist. kate? >> morgan, thanks so much. a new warning before dinner tonight. why the meat industry is calling a declaration from the world health organization dramatic and alarmist. and a new report that russian subs may be near vital underwater cables to impact worldwide access to the internetd. "the new york times" reporter who broke the story joins us next. across america, people like basketball hall of famer
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processed meat like bacon or hot dogs caused cancer and quote sufficient evidence that processed meat causes colo-rectal cancer and red meat is probably carcinogenic. they're pushing back calling it dramatic and alarmist. they say the study defies common sense and numerous other studies. let's bring in mark bitman, author of "a bone to pick" and a fellow with society of concerned scientists. we were talking in the break. there's been increasing number of studies and the world health organization had a panel that basically looked at a whole lot of research. >> 800. >> 800 studies for this conclusion. you are not surprised? >> i think things have been moving in the same direction for a quarter century or so. this is not conclusive. no, it's not causal. it doesn't say eat this stuff and you will get cancer. >> have a hot dog, you get cancer.
>> processed meats likely to raise your risk of cancer. red meats likely to raise your risk of cancer. and this is not news. in a way, it is just not news. americans are eating less meat. they know this stuff. >> i suppose but to hear it said that way is kind of -- it scares you, right? you wrote a book. subtitle is eat vegan before 6:00 to lose weight and restore your health for good. do you stand by that, eating no meat before 6:00 but okay to kind of have a bit of meat after? >> i think whatever people do to increase the amount of plants in their diet is a good thing. and i think most americans know that. they want to eat more plant-based foods. it doesn't mean people want to stop eating meat. it doesn't mean that people are going to stop eating meat. people are eating better meat and less meat and they're eating more plants and that is the direction things are going in. so the fact that, you know, the w.h.o. the world health organization, not a hokey thing, is saying this is right.
eat less processed meat and eating less red meat. this is -- it is not really that surprising. >> right. there is that pushback from the north american meat institute and showed the quote. are there studies on the other side to point to? >> no, no. i mean, meat is a good source of nutrition but you should eat a small amount of it. if you want to look at who's saying what, it is a follow the money situation. north american meat institute is a trade organization interested in selling meat. the world health organization is interested in public health. who will you listen to? >> you're a foodie, right? fair to say. what would you -- what do we do tonight for dinner? just try to cut back on bacon -- bacon seems to be in everything now, by the way. it's having a moment. right? do we just cut back on all the bacon? >> it is -- >> what do we do? >> studies are showing, again
not showing that you eat meat you get cancer. the studies are showing a higher correlation of cancer with increased consumption of especially processed meats. to be safe, you eat fewer processed meats. be safer, eat less red meat. i think the tendency or what i would recommend is to eat less meat and to eat better meat that's meat that's raised on sustainable farms without antibiotics and so on and so forth. we know that we can raise meat more safely. we can eat less. we can spend a little more on a smaller amount. so our budget doesn't change that much. this seems to be what makes sense. more plants. >> as a mother of a kid who loves bacon and wants it every single morning, i have a hard time with this. >> maybe a quarter of a piece every morning. >> a little treat. mark, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> thank you, kate. could russian spies be planning the ultimate hack? new concerns of russian ships
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>> so here's a concerning story for the millions of us who rely on the internet every single day. "the new york times" is reporting that russian submarines and spy ships are operating near the undersea cables that carry almost all internet communications. they haven't actually cut any of those cables, but american military and intelligence officials tell "the new york times" that they fear russia may be planning to attack the cables during a time of tension or conflict, that it could happen. david sanger was one of the authors of the piece. david, good to see you again. >> good to see you, kate. >> you've been working on this story for four months as i hear
it, trying to get officials to talk. it sounds like a deep dive. what did you learn? >> well, i guess a deep dive is right. because the question is, what have the russians been doing with this combination of submarines and trollers that have cutting equipment, that have shown up at the major nodes that you showed on that map before. that was a map that showed where the major cables are. >> we'll pull that map again. >> right. it would not be unlike the russians or the chinese or the united states to go in preparing the battlefield, as they say in military terms, to go figure out how you would turn off another country's communications. the chinese, what they could do to disable our satellites in times of conflict. the united states, of course, tapped into telephone cables that were a way to tap the
soviet union decades ago, but in this case, i think the concern is that now, about 97% of all global internet traffic runs across these cables. they don't really run on satellites because there's too much delay time. and the question is, as an asymmetric form of warfare, would the russians be prepared to cut through the cables? >> you're not saying they're doing that or that they would, but that they could? >> they could, and they've had the equipment to do it, and that equipment had been out there with the search groups. and as the pentagon has looked at the trollers and the submarines and unmanned submersibles, that's what they are equipped to do. now, cables break all the time. but they usually -- the fiber optic cables break all the time. but they usually break within a
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here's what we're following on msnbc live right now. two new polls show ben carson widening his lead over donald trump in iowa and the donald is sounding off. deal or no deal. with a debt ceiling deadline looming, sources tell nbc news the white house and congressional republicans are on the verge of an agreement that would put off the shutdown talks for the next two years. and red meat warning. new findings from the world health organization today that could have reconsidering what's on the menu for dinner tonight. we begin with presidential politics and a fourth poll out of iowa showing ben carson on top of trump. coming hours after trump seemed to dismiss the latest round of polls at "today" show town hall in new hampshire. >> i don't believe i did fall behind. there were three small polls. and i was in iowa days ago.
i will say, i think i'm winning in iowa. i think i'm doing really well approximate evangelicals, with tea party and everything else. we'll see what happens, but that was the only one where i had a slight not lead. >> joining me now, katy tur. we heard a lot from trump today, katy. >> we definitely heard a lot from trump today. if you've ever seen one of his rallies, you often hear him talking about ford motor company and how they're moving plants into mexico, and how he would tax them 35% for moving those jobs across the border. donald trump brought that up again today during the town hall. but first, let me tell you about a tweet he did last night. he tweeted last night that the ford motor company was bringing those jobs back. linking to a site called princely, a site which makes full-scale picture prints, taking credit for it. turns out, that's not entirely true, but again he brought it up
during the town hall. take a listen. >> mexico took a ford plant. i heard last night that ford is moving back to the united states. they may not do that deal. i get credit for that. i should get credit for that. >> certainly a lot of questions last night about that. we reached out to the ford motor company and they said on background, that, yes -- or, no, excuse me, that was not true. today they released a statement saying we decided to move the medium duty trucks in 2011 long before any candidates announced their intention to run for president. john kasich also commented on this yesterday taking some credit for doing so. after all, he's the governor of ohio and said he helped negotiate that deal. now, donald trump, though, not backing away from that, saying he believes he will be able to do that. meanwhile, ford motor company is still opening two plants in mexico, spending a few billion
dollars to open plants in mexico for fuel efficient engines and transmissions. this is just another instance of donald trump exaggerating the facts or retweeting maybe a not verifiable source and taking credit for things. he seems to fly off the cuff with his remarks and his retweets, getting him in trouble last week for that retweet about iowa and corn. so this is just another example. and just another way that he's getting caught up in the details, as we speak, kate? >> and we have the big cnbc debate on wednesday night, two days off now. how is he preparing? do we have any sense? >> you know, i've asked the campaign this. how are you preparing for this debate? and they said like they always do, which is probably not preparing that much. i think he does some prep as he goes along. he's doing town halls, meetings, still has his regular business. so i think what he's going to
do, go in fresh-faced like he always does, and he's going to try and -- i wouldn't say wing it, that might be a stretch, but i wouldn't imagine he's going through the same amount of prep as the other candidates. in the past they've told us he's going through significant prep, it doesn't seem like he's gone through that much, especially when it comes to foreign policy. >> thanks, katy. >> jeb bush finds himself struggling to reassure nervous donors concerned about his low poll numbers. >> the whisper camp is starting that bush is falling apart. >> blah, blah, blah, blah. that's my answer, blah, blah, blah. watch it. >> for the latest on the bush campaign, i'm joined again by steve kornacki. >> kate, just a few minutes ago, the current candidate jeb bush and his brother, the former
president, they took the stage together in houston. a lot of influential bush donors all gathering, very concerned about the state of the campaign, very concerned about how jeb bush plans to get back in this game and win the republican nomination. the press was not allowed inside this session with jeb and with george w. one reporter was. we're just getting our first look at the transcript. a couple of things jump out at me. george w. bush talked about his brother's electability, specifically, he talked about what he says is his brother jeb's ability to win over latino voters. saying no other candidate is positioned to do that. that in his mind, the race should be about who can win the white house for the party. something else, though, interestingly that bleeds through when you look at this transcript, a lot of jokes from george w. bush. self-deprecating humor about his own sort of history of mangling the english language in some highly public events, but also
making a joke -- george w. bush talks about his brother, barbara bush, and said he doesn't remember his mother doing much cooking and jeb jumps in and says, i remember things different. and george w., says, you're running for president, of course. for all of the criticism his brother george w. took for his speaking style at times, there was a humor and populace spirit and energy that i think comes through in this transcript. also at this donor retreat, apparently these nervous donors are being shown a 45-slide power point presentation from the campaign staff. in particular, going after marco rubio. in competition not just for votes, but in big competition for money for jeb bush. he's dismissed in this power point presentation apparently as
the republican equivalent of barack obama, meaning, too inexperienced, not enough time on the national stage to be president. to put the challenge that jeb bush faces right now into stark contrast for you, the money that has been spent so far by the campaign and by their super pacs in two key early states. in iowa, jeb bush and the super pac, nearly $3 million. they've already spent it. new hampshire, they've spent twice as much. that small state, they have spent $6 million, the most of any candidate, trying to get traction for jeb bush. and what has that money bought them? take a look at it. jeb bush sitting all the way back at 5%. three million of spending, new hampshire, $6 million of spending, a very distant third at 10%. that's why the donors are nervous. they have been putting up the money, which has been going into ads, right now, they're saying, where is the return on that money?
>> steve, thank you. for more, i'm joined by msnbc contributor, founder of "the washington post" fix block. let's pick up with ben carson now, leading the pack in iowa in all the new polls. he was on "meet the press" yesterday with chuck todd. i want to play the sound bite that's getting a lot of attention, when he spoke about abortion, comparing it to slavery. >> think about this. during slavery and i know that's one of those words you're not supposed to say, but i'm saying it, during slavery, a lot of slave owners thought they had the right to do anything they wanted to do to that slave, anything that they chose to do. and what if the abolitionists had said, i don't believe in slavery, i think it's wrong, but you guys do whatever you want to do. where would we be? >> definitively, do you want to see rowe v. wade overturned? >> ultimately, i would love to see it overturned.
>> does that play into why he's leading in iowa right now? >> yes. and we have polling data that tells us that, kate. nbc did polling in the state. and 83% of people agree with the sort of equating of obamacare, which is what ben carson's talking about there, and slavery. large groups of people agree with other things that he said about not being comfortable, for example, on a muslim being president. 8 in 10 people in the poll agreed with it. so, yes, this shouldn't be that surprising. iowa is a state in a republican caucus, at the presidential level that rewards social conservatives. 57% of the 2012 iowa caucus electorate identified as born-again christians or evangelica evangelicals, huckabee wins, rick santorum wins. ben carson is in that mold. >> he mentioned jeb bush and this power point presentation that they're giving to donors in
texas. i want to ask you about a "new york times" piece that argues that marco rubio is the unusual front-runner. here's what it said. he sits close to the party's center ideologically and his ratings are consistently strong. an effective debater with a great personal style and a more impressive portfolio style than most of his rivals. that's an opinion piece. but should we be watching him closely? >> i think what i would say, looking at the way the nominations have played out and that's a big assumption because donald trump and ben carson are leading the field. but given the way it typically plays out, an outsider candidate and an establishment candidate emerge. the establishment candidate usually wins. marco rubio is best positioned today to be that establishment candidate. we thought it would be jeb bush. he's had a lot of problems, most
notably that he doesn't really look like he wants to be out there. and i think people pick up on that, not to mention, some policies, immigration and those sorts of things where he has differences with the base. but i think rubio is where you can be as an establishment candidate and still get elected. he's well liked by the tea party. he's well liked by the sort of business republicans. so, yes, he's best positioned in the traditional fight that we usually see. whether that fight is what we will see play out or not, i'm not so quick to dismiss ben carson, his chances of winning. i still think rubio's the most likely nominee, but that doesn't mean the rest of these folks, trump, fiorina, ben carson, ted cruz, don't have a chance too. >> let's turn to democrats now. bernie sanders seemed to take a shot at former president bill clinton and his signing of the defense of marriage act, and also at hillary clinton, calling it a defensive action.
take a listen. >> now, today, some are trying to rewrite history, by saying they voted for one anti-gay law to stop something worse. that's not the case. there was a small minority in the house opposed to discriminating against our gay brothers and sisters and i am proud that i was one of those members. >> he clearly sees an opening there. >> yeah, and to be honest, hillary clinton's explanation came on friday night with rachel maddow. her explanation of why she was supportive of doma, doesn't really jibe with the history of it. she seemed to present it as sort of a barrier to prevent worse laws in terms of gay rights being passed. certainly the way it was covered at the time was that it was put in place because president clinton needed to move to the
center. p p presenting the congressional democrats as liberals and position him for the 1996 re-election race. so all candidates rewrite history to some extent for their own benefit. this is a little more extensive rewriting if you believe the way it was covered at the time and the way that doma fight is remembered. >> she was suggesting that it was sort of a lesser of all evils. >> correct. and that's just not -- again, maybe that was bill clinton's intent that he didn't share with anyone, but that's not how the history has recorded why he did that. >> chris, thanks so much. >> thanks, kate. let's move over to capitol hill now. new developments there, house republicans are scheduled to meet tonight at 6:00 p.m. to discuss a series of deadlines before john boehner steps down as house speaker. aides tell nbc news that congressional republicans in the white house are now close to inking a deal that would keep the government funded through 2017, that means avoiding a
government shutdown in december. boehner is also facing a dead limit deadline eight days from now on november 3rd. joining me now, nbc capitol hill correspondent luke russert. >> hey, kate, how you doing? >> good, how are you? >> place to be. never a dull moment. >> let us know what's up now. >> well, it's interesting, about a month ago john boehner said that he wanted to clear the decks for his eventually successor. and we all took that -- or those who follow him, that he really meant the debt limit and possibly funding the government. the debt limit has come due to november 3rd. it looks like what we've heard from both sides, senate and the house, that they're closing in on a two-year budget deal that you mentioned. it would increase military spending and domestic spending. but we can report, not confirmed yet, but where they're headed, a $50 billion increase in 2016, a
$30 billion increase in 2017. so it's a little bit of relief from the sequester that was put in place in 2011. this is very good news if this moves forward for one man in particular. and that's paul ryan. because if john boehner can get rid of a debt limit increase for paul ryan until 2017 and can fund the government till 2017, he potentially does not subject ryan to what would be very uncomfortable fiscal issues right out the gate. imagine if next week, paul ryan's first week as speaker, he has to raise the debt limit when so many conservative republicans never want to see it happen. imagine within his first month as speaker, he has to fund the government at levels conservatives don't like. if boehner can clear this for ryan he gets to focus on other issues he'd rather do than try and twist arms and try to get to a very difficult whip count so early on in his career. >> i can see it be very good news for republicans on the campaign trail. we don't want to have to keep
talking about it. >> without a doubt. >> luke, thanks so much. the woman accused of driving under the influence, straight into a crowd during osu's homecoming parade appears in court. what her lawyer is saying about the accident today. and surveying the damage. the death toll expected to climb after a major earthquake violently shakes afghanistan and pakistan. survivors say it lasted more than a minute. plus, red meat warning, the cancer risks the world health organization wants you to know about, straight ahead. you could choose a card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or, you could make things easier on yourself. that's right, the quicksilver card from capital one. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. so, let's try this again. what's in your wallet? can a a subconscious. mind?
certainly, again, as i said, inconsistent with what you would expect for someone in her position. you would expect there to be some raw emotions of some type. especially when it's been communicated that people lost lives here. >> that was adashia chambers attorney moments after her bond hearing today. she appeared in court via video, where the judge set her bond at $1 million. chambers drove her car into the introduced at oklahoma state university's homecoming parade on saturday, killing four people, injuring 47. she was arrested in charged with driving under the influence, but her family and attorney maintain that neither alcohol, nor drugs were a factor, and they suggest she may suffer from a mental illness. joining me now, nbc's sarah dallof in stillwater, oklahoma. what about the hearing? >> it was very brief, kate with the judge setting bond and
scheduling the next appearance for november 13th. as you mentioned, chambers appeared via video, the monitor was angled so that only officers of the court could see it. her attorney tells nbc news, that she stared down at the floor throughout the entirety of it, and that she appeared rather disengaged. prosecutors also filed their probable cause affidavit today which reveals that chambers told personnel at the jail booking facility that she was suicidal at the time of the incident. these developments come as we learn more about the victims in this case. four people were killed. the youngest, 2-year-old nash lucas. his preschool teacher remembers him as a young boy with bright red hair and a cute smile. >> i was constantly smiling at the things that he said. i spend all weekend crying, thinking that today would be a little bit easier, but before i even walked into the classroom, i lost it again. it's hard to see his things in
there. >> now, back here at a growing memorial for 2-year-old nash lucas, as well as all of those injured and killed in this incident, also among the dead are a retired university professor and his wife and a master student from mumbai, india. kate, this community still coming to grips with the violence that happened on saturday. back to you. >> i can only imagine. sarah, thanks so much. authorities in south carolina have made a colossal gun bust, seizing over 7,000 guns from a single property. authorities say the cash includes stolen shot guns, pistols, and rifles. a 51-year-old man has been charged with possession of stolen property. the local sheriff said the man appeared to be hoarding the weapons and not dealing them. police still deciding if others will be charged. it's the stuff that movies are made of, really. the trial is under way for what's been dubbed the lufthansa
heist. >> there was a hold-up of historic proportions at new york city's kennedy airport this morning. several million dollars in cash and jewelry taken from a cargo hanger by a band of armed men wearing masks. >> that was news coverage from back in the day. vincent asaro is on trial in vrlr fshl court for his alleged roll in the $6 million heist. kristen dahlgren has the latest. what more are we hearing about this heist that a lot of people remember? >> a lot of today was spent trying to establish a connection between vincent asaro and -- including testimony from a priest who said burke sponsored. [ inaudible ] >> he gave more details of his version of the heist, including answers to the question everybody always wanted to know,
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are able to get closer to the destruction and communication lines are restored, those numbers are unfortunately, expected to climb. joining us now from pakistan via skype is waj khan. what does it look like now? >> well, it's been 11 hours since the earthquake struck, kate, and things are slowing down as far as the rescue efforts are concerned. it's early morning here, around 200 people, though, are confirmed dead in pakistan, around 75 are confirmed dead in afghanistan. the epicenter of the quake was in afghanistan, but most casualties were here in pakistan. the government seems to be kicking into a financial mode as well, with around $3,000 per victim announced as a compensation plan for the pakistani side.
the afghan side hasn't come up with any such number. interestingly, pakistan's arch rival, india, had offered pakistan help. but islama bad politely refused, saying it will sort this mess out on its own resources. most of the affected parts of the country are cut off already, and we just heard from the army that the major highway there, the major route cara cuream highway, one of the highest roads in the world, has been broken in three different areas. so that's going to slow down rescue efforts even more. for context, the last time there was a quake of this magnitude, over 70,000 people died. we haven't heard or gotten those numbers yet. we're nowhere close to that. bauds because this quake was much deeper. still the numbers are coming in and the areas affected are far
and wide and very isolated. we're expecting higher casualties than we have confirmed so far. >> all right, waj khan, thanks so much for being with us. we're also following developments out of the white house where we told you president obama has just wrapped up a meeting with the president of indonesia and we've learned the president has secured indonesia's pledge to join the transpacific partnership, that big trade deal the white house is pushing. for now, i'm joined by nbc news' ron allen. >> it's a significant development for the white house because indonesia is a huge country, 250 million people, the largest muslim country in the world. and adding indonesia to this deal over the next couple of years, if this agreement can be reached, would be a significant step as the president tries to cement this deal. the deal is about trade, but it's also about politics, because the objective of all this is to not only increase
trade, but to form a counterweight to china in that part of the world. as you know, the united states under the obama administration has been trying to orient american foreign policy towards europe. so this is a step in that direction. it's ironic the president is finding supporters around the world, when we can't find them in his own democratic party. hillary clinton came out and said that she does not support this trade deal, because she says it's bad for american workers. a lot of american labor unions oppose the deal as well. so some success here for the deal, but a long way to go as it tries to make its way through congress for approval in the weeks and months to come. >> ron allen, bernie sanders also does not support that deal. ron allen at the white house, thanks so much. what is life like for those left behind in syria?
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>> the u.s. military made sure isis would never use this building again as a prison. the military released footage of an air strike that obliterated the prison in iraq last week. after u.s. and allied kurdish commandos rescued 70 hostages from inside. the first known use of american troops in combat in iraq since they returned there a year ago. the kurds had earlier released video of the moment when the hostages were set free. and now, the semi- autonomous kurdish government is apparently using the raid for pr. showing the hostages breaking into tears on kurdish television. as they thank a kurdish political leader. others tell their stories of horrific treatment by isis. they would put plastic bags over our heads and tighten them until we passed out, then they would torture us with electric shocks.
not shown, however is the moment when master sergeant, joshua wheeler, father of four, stormed into the prison to help and was shot by an isis fighter. his body was returned to the united states this weekend. >> nbc's richard engel reporting there. across the border in war-torn syria, thousands continue to flee the country as forces loyal to president bashar al assad fight not only isis, but other rebel groups as well. the images that have leaked out of the country are horrifying, showing bombed-out cities, countless casualties. but as a new pbs documentary shows, minutes away from the fighting, it's as if the war isn't happening. >> i'm struck by how relaxed and ordinary things appear. damascus has always been a mix of muslims, christians, drews and alawites, man with european aspirations. but while these were the kind of images so familiar before the
crisis, i did not expect them now, in the middle of a brutal war. >> inside assad's syria airs tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. on pbs. joining us now, producer martin smith, you spent several weeks inside syria, right, this summer? i guess my first question was, how did you get in there? because not a lot of journalists can get into that part of syria. >> yeah, it took me a long time, and i made a lot of phone calls, and i was working on it for a good year. and finally i got a phone call saying there's this guy that's shot all the footage and he's been with regime forces, would you like to see his footage? sure, but i'd like to come and take a look at it there. they're beginning to let some journalists in, but they give them seven-day visas and they mind them closely. >> did you have a minder? >> i did not. i had protection, i had people that would get me through checkpoints, but i didn't have the sort of minder that the
ministry of information gives you. we had permission from the president's office to go freely and an open-ended visa, not seven days. >> how many control does assad have, how much territory is under his control? >> right. it's about a third of the country. maybe a little less. it's a strip of land along the western coast, or western coast up north. and the interior western parts. but it's about 2/3 of the population that's under regime control. and it's hemorrhaging. people are getting out, but still, about 2/3 of the existing population is under regime control. >> you spoke to a lot of citizens in damascudamascus. let's take a listen to some of that sound. >> can president assad bring the country back together? [ speaking foreign language ] >> many people see him as somebody who has lost control of
the country. >> is he gaining strength now in terms of his popularity? or do you find that more and more syrians are saying, we're with assad? >> you know, i don't think people really declare themselves as with assad. they make a distinction between the regime and the state, which is a very important distinction. what they don't want to see is what we saw in iraq and libya, where once the regime was gone, the state collapsed and that means the schools and the hospitals and security. >> they want their life as they know it? >> yeah, and they want some sense of order. so if the -- they don't really love assad. but they hold him accountable for a lot of what's happened, but they don't want to see the state collapse, and that's a reasonable fear that they have. >> one of the other things so striking in your report is the sort of juxtaposition of strange things happening near war. you went to a resort five miles outside the city of homs, we've seen the images, it's a bombed-out wreck of a city. >> and you wouldn't want to
invest in that resort on the road to palmyra, which is controlled by isis. just to the north, western-backed rebels are operating. here we are driving through the city of homs, into this resort area, and they were cutting a ribbon, and there we go. >> why did they build the resort? >> somebody thinks it's a good idea. somebody thinks that things are coming back. this is a christian investor and they were taking reservations. we saw this throughout our trip, these sort of surreal juxtapositions, war a few minutes away from a resort. or the symphony holding a concert in the midst of bombing raids and mortar shelling from rebels, or a beach resort where people are visiting. >> and the people fleeing, the migrants coming into europe. it's a fascinating piece. martin smith, thanks so much. >> thank you, kate.
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over to ari because he has all the details. tell us what it's all about and why it's landed at the supreme court. >> this is a fascinating and unusual case. it's all about a death penalty trial where basically the big argument is whether black jurors were struck from the jury because they were black. now, kate, you might say, that sounds like it should be illegal already. >> yeah, that's not supposed to happen. >> it is illegal, but you don't have to have any reason for removing someone from a jury, you can strike them, lawyers on both sides have that ability. this is a case where a lawyer went out the way to write in their notes, i'm striking this person because they're black, because of their skin color. so now it's going all the way up to, what do you do about this? if this person was sentenced to death, do you do it all over from scratch? because even if that discrimination is wrong, you still have the victim's families and the rest of the process that
occurre occurred. >> there are such divides in this country. there was a poll last year that found 1 in 10 americans said blacks and other minorities receive equal treatment in the country. whereas 6 in 10 had confidence that the police treat races equally. there does seem to be this divide. >> this is a divide and it's a big problem. and often it gets covered with regard to certain police cases, how the police interact with citizens. this is the whole other part, which is, what happens after the police hand you off. >> now you're in the system. >> and you're in the system. justice briar was talking about this. he wrote just last term about the death penalty where he pointed to the data, not an opinion, but the data that shows that the thing that makes you most likely to get the death penalty in this country is killing a white person as opposed to a different type of victim and that black defendants were more likely to get the death penalty than others. according to a widespread study of studies over decades.
>> so say the supreme court, they're taking this up. say they decide that yes, indeed this was the wrong way to go about it, that this jury selection you were describing, shouldn't have happened this way. the lawyer shouldn't have written down or chose based on skin color. what happens then? do we go back to colors having to pretend -- not saying having to, but do you know what i'm saying? lawyers selecting based on race, without saying that, because that still seems problematic? >> i think the premise of your question is right. just because something is not against the rules, what else happens? so one of the things advocates have called for is the rule shouldn't be whether someone says i'm a racist, which this prosecutor more or less did, but rather some other type of analysis, a wider data analysis. to pick a less heated example, there are corporate boards that say, we're not sexist, it's just
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at the end of last year, here in new york state because they were so concerned about the tests. >> and the president was saying, he hears you, all the parents and teachers who are concerned about it. his plan says there should be no more than 2% of time spent on taking tests, because there's a study that's about to come out that says right now, and from pre-k to 12th grade, kids are spending something like, there's 112 tests, taking up anywhere from 20 to 25 days of time out of their learning. >> where does that compare to the 2%? so we're spending a lot more than 2% right now. >> a lot more than 2%. so the point is, they want to ratchet it down considerably, but not do away with it. arnie dunkon, who's getting ready to leave in december, he said he still need at least one federal standardized tests, so there can be a measurement of how students are achieving and
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well, you might look at that next hotdog a little differently after today. the world health organization says processed meat like bacon or hotdogs cause cancer. the group also said red meat, including beef, pork, and lamb is probably carcinogenic. the north american meat institute is pushing back on the report saying it defies common sense and numerous other studies. the new report attracting attention because americans love meat. total u.s. beef consumption last year topped 24 billion pounds. in 2012, the average american consumed over 71 pounds of red meat in one year. for more, let me bring in
jeffrey kluger, editor at large for "time" magazine. we were just talking during the commercial break about how confusing it can be for consumers when you get different -- it feels like you're getting different guidance every week. sometimes it's needing protein and meat can be okay, now today, we're saying cancer and red meat and processed meat. what's the bottom line? >> the bottom line is that it is disturbing in that the world health organization has put processed meats in its first carcinogenic category, which is foods or substances that are carcinogenic. red meat is in the second category. foods or substances that can be carcinogenic. but the key here is to consider hazard versus risk. the hazard is that these foods can cause cancer. but the risk is, will you or i or anyone person develop it? and that introduces a whole lot of other variables. >> that depends on your health,
your genetics. >> what your consumption is. 50 grams a day increases your risk of colorectal cancer 18%, 100 grams, would increase it 36% and so forth. 50 grams is 1.7 ounces, and a single hotdog is 1.6 ounces. >> i was just going to picture how much meat that is. but you are increasing your risk with the one hotdog? >> one hotdog per day, that's the key. and unfortunately, when it comes to processed meats, this isn't just red meats, this is turkey and chicken. >> bacon. >> certainly bacon and turkey bacon. so the great dodge of turkey bacon -- >> that's my favorite go-to, the turkey bacon. so what do we do? what are people to take away from this? moderation? >> well, moderation in all things. if you're the kind of person who
very rarely eats bacon and now and then you're in a buffet and there it is, who among us will not give in? so moderation in all things. also, remember, it depends on whether these foods are cooked. if you have something that's grilled as opposed to sliced luncheon meat, the grilling releases all kinds of other toxic chemicals. they're baddies, that's the best way to think of it, but that comes from cooking, opposed to eating it coilld and sliced. >> so avoid grilling so much? >> grilling, and avoid high-risk things like bacon and hotdogs. lane red meat is less serious and if you consume it in moderation, it is a source of protein, vitamin b, of iron, but you can get that from leg yums and other things and eliminate the risk entirely. >> thank you. is that does it for this
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