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poor jeb bush is trying to get trying to get some momentum going by releasing a new book. it's a collection of emails he cents and received when he was governor of florida. the book is called "reply all" which gets people excited than a group e-mail. looks like the print ad for a prescription drug. [ laughter ] don't let irritable bowel syndrome get you down. let jeb fix it for you. >> good morning, everyone. ice tuesday, october 27th. welcome to "morning joe."
with us on the set we have msnbc contributor mike barnacle. mike, how are you >> i'm well. >> managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin and in washington, msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. >> the world series starts tonight, guys. the mets. >> mets in six. >> destiny. they kind of are. but then again look at the royals who were pushed to the wall. great series. >> royals have home field advantage. i think they do it in seven. royals in seven. i like the mets. >> yankee fan being a hater. >> yankee fans don't hate mets fans. we think they are the adorable little brother. >> okay. here we go. so to politics now, they are multipling. it's true. yesterday it was with two and now it's four.
four polls showing donald trump behind ben carson in iowa. the monmouth university poll of iowa republican caucus shows trump trailing carson by 14 points. the poll had trump and carson tied in august. senators ted cruz and marco rubio are tied for third place with rubio gaining six points. statewide poll from iowa's own loras college finds carson rising and trump dropping. marco rubio also gained six points in this poll putting him in third place. all together four polls released within four days of each other shows trump losing steam in iowa where the republican caucus is a little more than three months away. >> mark halperin we've been talking about this for a couple of weeks that if the election were held that carson could actually beat trump. now it looks like a pretty
massive surge. what's going on >> carson is a better fit than trump is. trump has not done television ads. relied on his national image which got him far in 49 other states. trump has a choice does he come back in iowa or concede it to carson. >> if this happens in iowa done it happen in new hampshire next? >> it could. but new hampshire electorate is more in line with trump's profile in terms of the voters. iowa has a large number of evangelical voters, religious conservatives. >> but what's happened over the past week or so? like i said we knew fundamentals were good for carson. >> in iowa. >> he could ramp up in iowa. and that he could ramp it up. but there's been an explosion in the past week. >> again, carson hasn't spent much time there either. it's a better fit for him. you look at the other haven
evangelical candidates. one he's been on a book tour and people said he's off the campaign trail. no he got ton of attention. two is i think as people see carson as plausibly winning iowa they are more inclined to be for him. three, his organizing, both by the super p.a.c. and campaign is as intense and vigorous as anybody except ted crews's and that makes a difference in the polls because they are doing a lot of voter contact. >> carson's campaign began airing tv commercials and his campaign tells "new york times" one ad highlighting carson's independent thinking hit air waves earlier than intended in south carolina. >> the political class and their pundit buddies say impossible. he's too outside-the-box. well they do know impossible. impossible to balance the budget. impoll to get border security. impossible to put aside
partnership. i'm ben carson. and i'm very much outside-the-box. must be a good idea in there somewhere. >> carson's appeal to be working. he has raised the most campaign money of any republican candidate so far with 59% of it coming from small donations of $200 or less. does that remind you of someone with only 6% donating the federal limit. eugene robinson, what's your gut? >> you know, first of all, i cannot explain the phenomenon that is ben carson at large because clearly his appeal, one aspect of his appeal, i'm even less of a politician and less of a political insider than donald trump. the outside-the-box commercial hits his big point of appeal which is i'm not these other
guys that you're tired of, that you're sick of. that's one aspect. the other aspect as mark said this huge appeal for evangelicals in iowa and something of a momentum factor, the fact that when he inches ahead he tends to leap ahead. certainly ben carson can win iowa. i'm not sure donald trump can win iowa. i think he can be more competitive in iowa and i think trump can win new hampshire. but we'll see. >> how is it that entire field, entire republican field seems to have under estimated ben carson has been organizing in iowa for four years. >> while we saw candidate announce and try to raise money no one has gone all out to organize iowa. trump, carson, bush, cruz have been the most aggressive but it's time zoconsuming to it and
expensive to do it. carson has a super p.a.c. that's very aggressive. he's again in some ways the best fit for the mood of the electorate in general while still being an evangelical. >> what is that transferrable to? >> south carolina potentially. >> i doubt it. >> i don't see south carolina. >> we've been wrong. >> i don't see south carolina. >> we've been wrong about a lot of things. we were wrong about trump when everybody else said it won't happen. gene, south carolina republicans are establishment republicans and people talk about newt gingrich. newt gingrich was as establishment republican over a generation going back to 1974 and probably sent more emails and more direct mail and more, more everything over the past 30 years than anybody else. south carolina -- i would be
stunned if south carolina republicans supported a candidate like ben carson. >> i would be surprised. i don't know if anything should stun us this year, but, you know, south carolina republicans tend to like somebody harder edge than ben carson. remember how newt won it the last time with a fiery speech, you know, very, very tough on president obama. i just don't -- i don't see ben carson, you know, giving that sort of speech or that sort of presentation that really excites south carolina voters. we'll see. >> also across the deep south, the primary, there's sort of a jacksonnian edge to republicans. they want to know you can fight. >> polls show that. they show donald trump leading big in all those states. if you look at donald is down six points in that's iowa polls almost within the margin of
error. he's dipped a bit but this is about ben carson. >> you mean him dropping. >> dropping a little bit. his drop is as much as ben carson going up. ben carson is saying things out there that may dumb found people in new york and in washington and the media who don't understand his point of view but when he does something like compare abortion to slavery, that's not a new argument for pro lifers. they talk about dehumanizing a human being. so that rings true to a lot of people, republicans and conservatives while it may baffle people in new york it's reasonable to other people. >> let's get real. can you define the top of the house in the republican party, the republican establishment and if so if you can define it what are the thoughts going through the republican establishment about what's happening to their party? >> johnson explained it better than anybody else, i don't understand my party any more. >> here's why carson could win
south carolina. at this point you can't pick an establishment candidate who will be in the game coming out of new hampshire. there's no one with enough strength. if cruz or trump coming out of new hampshire looks strong it coraly to ben carson as strange as that may sound, somebody will have to -- the establishment wants to stop trump or cruz and carson may look like the safest bet. >> the calculus is simple. donald trump has this decision to make. one two decisions to make. go all in in iowa and try to win there because donald trump knows as we know if donald trump wins iowa we'll win the republican nomination. if donald trump wins iowa he's going to win the republican nomination. if, however, he makes that bet and loses iowa and takes his eyes off of new hampshire and then loses iowa and then somebody else knocks him off in nam, a bush, a rubio, a cruz,
then suddenly he's bleeding out. i think the calculus right now if trump wins iowa he wins the nomination. trump loses iowa but ends up winning new hampshire big he's still on the way because trump is a south carolina candidate. they love him in south carolina. gene, you're from south carolina. trump is up by 20, 25 points right now. i've said it all along, if he has any momentum going into south carolina, he'll blow everybody away there. he'll blow everybody away in nevada. then blow everybody away in the deep south. this gene and to the table is the establishment's problem. there's always an establishment candidate that has money to endure iowa. even new hampshire. once you go south and come back to the northeast states where you have to write checks, both sides can do that. there's not one this year,
nobody coming to the rescue for the establishment. the establishment candidates are going to have trouble funding themselves in iowa and new hampshire. so if trump wimps iowa or new hampshire, gene i don't know who stops him. he hasn't spent a dime. he has between $4 and $10 billion. >> as long as he doesn't think he's throwing good money after bad he'll throw the money in and i almost look at south carolina as a kind of trump fire wall because he's so far ahead there and just to me he strikes me as such a, the kind of candidate who can do very well in south carolina. so, you know, he's got to do well there. i think he should want to win new hampshire and put some investment into new hampshire because that can get him on his
way. i don't see a path for him in iowa right now but then again he hasn't spent the time there. he can be more competitive, but carson looks, you know, like potentially running away with that. >> donald trump who is our guest this morning at 7:00 a.m. is getting a lot of attention for the comment he made at yesterday's "today" show town hall in new hampshire. take a listen. >> mr. trump, with the exception of your family have you ever been told no? >> oh, many times. i've been told no by him. many times. i mean my whole life really has been a no and i fought through it. you know, i talk about it. it's not easy for me. it's not been easy for me. i started off in brooklyn. my father gave me a small loan of $1 million. i came into manhattan and i had to pay him back and pay him back with interest. >> you say it hasn't been easy for you but my dad gave me a million dollar loan. >> million dollars isn't very
much compared to what i built. >> see now there's so much to say. trump didn't specific the year he received the $1 million. but $1 million in 1968 the year trump graduated from college is worth $6.8 million in today's dollars. did you notice that he didn't apologize for it and was kind of brass about how small that was compared -- >> the nothing burger. >> doesn't hurt him. >> you think of the comments other candidates have made in the past. in fact we have that. that it was just crushing for them. when they made comments about being flat broke. >> hillary clinton. >> exactly. >> i got to say, i would have loved a million dollar loan out of college. that said, even if i got a million dollars out of college, i'm sorry i would not know how to build 90 story buildings and
become the top developer in manhattan. you put it in perspective i think a lot of -- he shouldn't have said it. it shows, willie, how disconnect ad lot of these people are from the people that they are getting votes from. but, you know, his point was yes, i'm worth $10 billion. i'm the biggest developer. good luck. okay. give man on the street $6 million and say become the biggest developer iran manhattan in a decade. they can't do it. >> at first plush it sounds ridiculous. i only got a million dollars. but we're in the trump zone. there's really nothing he could say at this point is there that's so offensive that it would take down thinks campaign? this doesn't approach that. if he said something more extreme what could he do or say at this point that would take down his campaign. >> there was something very politically honest when matt
lauer said, excuse me that's a lot of money. he goes, you know you're right but for me it wasn't a lot. and, if you any about other candidates who had this problem it's taken weeks for them to talk to their staff and figure out how they deal with it and sit down in an interview and actually rephrase it and say they are sorry. it was like, whatever, you're right. >> like hillary clinton on the book tour. back tracked on for at that month. >> he just put it away. >> i'll say too the thing about donald trump is he aspirational. he's aspirational, and i think most of the people when they pick it up they don't know exactly -- like those fox news guys. there's a reason why o'reilly and hannity speak to middle america. they are not new york guys. they are not manhattan guys. they are long island guys. by the way, that means nothing to people on the other side of
the hudson, west of the hudson. but gray and carter are still mocking donald trump in this last "vanity fair" issue for being from quote an outer borough. which, of course takes me back to "spy" magazine, but that's that edge that people don't know. i always said when i was campaigning, you walk into a room and people immediately figure out whether you get them or don't get them. they can't quite figure out why this guy with $10 billion walks into a room and people get him. you know why? as i said a couple of weeks ago, all these years later he may have the biggest buildings in manhattan he gets no respect here. the snob still tweaking, still poke him, he's always, you know, trying to prove himself. and people get that edge. again, the archie bunker
billionaire you or somebody else termed it. fascinating. >> listen, if you track what he's side, how he looks across 25, 30 years he hasn't changed a whole lot. he came across the 59th street bridge from queens 30, 35 years ago with a chip on his shoulder about manhattan and the people who build in manhattan and he succeeded beyond anyone's wildest expectations. he mass natural chip on his shoulder. his situation, though, you and gene and you, joe, if you can answer this, enlighten me a bit, do you think that he's at the stage of his campaign where the don rickles stuff has to subside, he has to talk about specific solutions to people's problems. >> you know, would you think so but i saw that ben carson ad. the >> that's good. >> i'm sitting there going,
where are we? where am i? for me it was -- >> a box. >> admiral stockdale moment. this guy is up 20 points in iowa. where am i? >> that's a good point. >> let's go back to trump. normally you can take the boy out of queens or the queens out of the boy you would say that's a slur but for him -- >> it's a badge of honor. >> that's why o'reilly is so successful and hannity is so successful. there's always that rub and friction against the manhattan elite and they relate to middle america. >> queens is more like middle america in a lot of ways than manhattan. look, the question of whether carson and trump will fall because they are not specific or elites don't think they are serious candidates, i think that can happen in january but i don't think it will happen before january. by january it may be too late to stop either of them.
>> i'm curious. i get trump's success. i don't get carson's success. i don't know. is that just me? because with donald trump, i do know this. i'm going to offend a lot of people here. if donald trump somehow happened to be president of the united states and get elected, he would know what to do. he would put really good people around him and you know what? how would he negotiate against vladimir putin? figure that out. donald trump has been in a lot of really tough situations before as far as negotiations. and i had somebody tell me the other day that had negotiated with trump said most of the people i negotiate with they go into it and it's how i negotiate, how i do win, how do you win. let's all win. donald trump doesn't do that. donald trump goes into negotiations and it's a zero sum game. he sets himself up so he wins and the you lose.
he's a tough, mean incredibly successful negotiator. ben carson is a doctor who i'm sorry, i have a lot of doctor friends and one of my best friends is a doctor who says i wake up in the morning, i go to my practice, i am basically given whatever i want and treated like a king. i live a pretty isolated life and then i go home. i'm not saying all doctors are that way, but one person has been in the rough and tumble in a very ugly, ugly real estate market. the biggest and toughest. . >> i wondered, don't get the ben carson. i really don't. i don't get the ben carson. >> why do you think so many people are giving him money? >> sorry but -- >> they like him. they like him.
they like him and they like him, they love that he's a man of faith. >> i like a lot of people. >> and there's something -- something about his calm. i would say his demeanor that is soothing to people and attractive to people. a lot of people say that. >> how is he going to run the country? what is his central governing principle? >> i have no idea. >> i could teach my 7-year-old boy to say i'm a constitutionalist but he wouldn't know what that means and we all know if we dug down deep into ben carson he wouldn't know what that meant. >> i disagree. >> oh, my god. i've seen no evidence of it. he's asked a question. he'll say something. then he'll back track and go oh, wait a second.
like the other day. he said he was going to abolish medicare in an interview with cnbc. this is a big thing. abolishing one of the most successful government programs. and then the next day he goes, oh, no i didn't mean that. then he'll say something about immigration. and then he'll step in the next day what do you think? oh, i didn't mean that. it happens over and over again. he's great with the nazi comments. great with the abortion comments. but he says something, he doesn't -- i'll say it right here and get in trouble. he has no idea how to run a government. he might be an effective city council member somewhere in a small town and could learn how to govern there and move up. but you look, policy wise that guy 30 minutes on policy digging deep. mark halperin you know he couldn't survive.
>> is the government in good shape having been run by politicians for years? >> yes. >> yeah. >> compared to what? >> yeah. >> my only -- my knock with trump. america is a great. we're number one economy in the world. everybody is going up in flames. all the emerging countries that were supposed to destroy us ten years ago are going straight to hell. their economies are flat lining. we're doing better than ever. steve rattner comes back from california and more excited about american ingenuity. he said everybody is rushing to america because they go to silicon valley and they think everything is possible. as far as energy we've created an energy revolution. our deficit has gone down. our economy has levelled out. we got the strongest military in the world. nobody comes close to america's influence culturally. are we in good shape?
yeah. is washington dysfunctional? yeah. would i have a guy i like operate on my brain? no i would not. would i have a guy who has no idea run the most complicated government in the history of the world? no. one of the reasons why we're in trouble we let a guy named barack obama who wasn't ready to be president become president and he's fouled up foreign policy. i think experience is not a bad thing. >> go anywhere in the country get 12 republicans in the focus group, how many people would like more of the same, parental you would -- >> no, no. i wouldn't like more of the same. but come on. there is a middle ground between barack obama and ben carson. >> coming up on "morning joe" we'll leave it right there. republican presidential candidate donald trump joins us. also ahead, nobel prize winning economist joseph sticlich joins
us and doris goodwin joins us. >> how many houses do you and mrs. mccain have. >> i'll let my staff get back to you. >> we came out of the white house not only dead broke but in dead. we had no money when we got there and we struggled, to you know, piece together the resources for mortgages for houses, for chelsea's education. you know, it was not easy.
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29 past the hour. let's turn now the democrats and an emerging feud between hillary clinton and bernie sanders over a comment sanders made at the first democratic debate that the clinton campaign is now painting as sexist. here's what sanders said during that first debate after clinton accused him of not being tough enough on guns. >> from a rural state what i can tell secretary clinton that all the shouting in the world is not
going to do what i would hope all of us want. and that's keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we are seeing. >> as the "new york times" and others have pointed out the shouting phrase is one sanders had used regularly throughout his campaign even before clinton released her plan to address gun violence. but clinton zeroed in on the line on twitter and in consecutive speeches on friday and saturday -- >> i've been told to stop and i quote shouting about gun violence. well first of all, i'm not shouting. [ laughter ] it's just when women talk some people think we're shouting. [ applause ] i've been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. well i haven't been shouting but sometimes when a women speaks out some people think it's shouting. but i won't be silenced and i
hope you won't be either. how many more people have to die before we take action. >> well i was talking about very clearly is that all across this country, you got people shouting at each other. >> she's suggesting you're saying that she's shouting and that you, when you hear woman talking you think that they are shouting. >> well, what can i say. that's just not the case. >> now sanders chief strategist is pushing back further telling politico if they are going to have a campaign that attacks bernie on gun safety and implies he engages in sexism that's unacceptable. we'll have to talk about other things if they do that. wow. >> mika, is that sexist what bernie sanders said? >> no. that was -- don't make me say it. >> that's pathetic.
absolutely pathetic. >> that's pathetic. i know she's the front-runner. i'm sure she will win. >> she will win but that's pathetic. but that's the sort of straight out of veep. >> it wasn't funny. >> and, you know -- >> when veep does it it's hysterical. that was pathetic. i know sexism. hillary clinton knows sexism. she should know better than let her staff do that. she needs to get out there and talk. everyone stop writing lines for her. they are bad. really bad. and when we talk about sexism, we talk about women and equal pay and all these things that are important let's not denigrate it with that sue paidity because we embarrass ourselves. i'm cringing. you should announce me. that was pathetic.
that was pathetic. >> that's sad and pathetic and exactly why people like donald trump are doing well because it's political correctness, just total b.s. and why would hillary clinton's campaign feel like they needed to play the sexism card. she's doing well. act like a little sad victim? poor little me, oh, no, i'm not going to stop roaring about guns and that. it's pathetic. >> why mark halperin? >> does anyone disagree. >> their boot on bernie's neck. >> they are accusing -- >> it's the truth. >> so the way they put the boot on bernie's neck is by accusing him of being sexist? >> they are trying to discombobulate him. >> they are doing two things. number one, yes, they are putting the boot on bernie's neck and bernie is having to respond to this attack, however
ridiculous it might seem. but in fact they put him on the defensive. second, it brings more attention to the fact that he's way out of line with his party on gun control. so, you know, say what you will, but in the short term it's been pretty effective, i think, in making him defend his position in a defensive crouch way which ain't great for bernie. >> the gun control part is fine. i understand that. the sexist part is the part that's ridiculous >> he uses that line bernie sanders almost every time he talks about guns. he was on "meet the press" not long ago and he says we don't need to scream at each other about guns. people in urban states and rural states have different views. >> we've all said it. we got to stop yelling at each other and shouting to each other and start talking to each other.
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that look. what are you doing with that look. oh, you're suggesting that mika is crazy. your eyes are darting back and forth. >> i'm serious. it happened. i just saw it. >> i'm really sorry mika you had to see that. >> the eye dart. >> that was like oh, she's crazy, only women are crazy. >> thanks a lot. >> oh, my god. you know you have setback the rights of women a generation now. have you never heard of helen reddy. >> good morning and welcome to the shout. >> that wasn't sexist. >> maybe that was shade. >> oh, so now you were so blind in your sexism you can't even say you're sorry. >> we'll have a discussion. >> what's that? >> sorry. >> jonathan thank you for being here. >> yes. >> really quickly you saw
yesterday, you saw trump, you were talking about trump lied, talk about that up in new hampshire. >> donald trump, atkinson, new hampshire 7:00 in the morning in a ballroom before the "today" show town hall. that's the town hall there but the event before, he had about 1500 people in a packed room standing room only and to watch him in person his one hour stump speech it's one we've seen in pieces on tv but he lights up the crowd for one hour. >> mark, you said you've been doing this for 30, 40 years never seen anything like it. >> he came up to a no labels convention and fairly hostile audience. i've never seen a candidate who didn't care about making the audience happy. he didn't pander at all. he went head first into the propellers. >> and enjoyed it. >> and enjoyed it. >> interesting thing, we'll see how he deals with success politically. we'll see how he deals with iowa. >> so with iowa, iowa explodes
that way. you know that has an effect. so i'm sure we'll see other polls coming out that shows carson surging in other states as well maybe even nationally. so we may be looking at ben carson being a front-runner for all the republican party. do you get him? >> listen, i get him in the sense of iowa evangelicals. there's a purity and faith and 100% what iowa likes. trump would be crazy to try to play hard in iowa. better to let got it. go to new hampshire and south carolina. the big story, what's going to happen in iowa, carson will be a big lead for so long, the story will be who is second or third. who has the ticket out. >> amid sagging polls and deep to cut the campaign jeb bush, remember him, top donors and supporters huddled -- we haven't even talked about him, 45 minutes into the show. i don't know.
he met with brother george and their father bush 43 assured the group in houston his brother cube fierce competitor. during a 45 slide powerpoint presentation, the bush campaign reportedly targeted marco rubio that pointed out he doesn't have a single endorsement from a fellow senator and one side was entitled marco is a gop obama. top staffer noted the two have strikingly similar profiles that include being lawyers, university lecturers and former state legislators with a few legislative accomplices. >> so they will target marco rubio. that makes sense politically. you know the bushs. you have the bushs. >> big part in politics and campaigns going through humiliation. that's one thing. >> mccain did it. >> i remember mccain exactly at
this time, he would often say it's darkest just before it goes completely black. this is exactly when we were in new hampshire, he was out of money. broke. had about five volunteers. we went up and scrapped our way through new hampshire and this is the time that tests -- >> does jeb have what it takes to do that >> we'll see. this is a time that road test as campaign. tell the bed wetters to back off, double down -- >> this is about money. >> mccain didn't have any money. it's about heart, soul and communication. >> what do you do when you don't have that? >> make it up. >> i'm serious. >> jonathan, jeb we haven't seen that fight in him yet. >> no. we saw sort of a lackadaisical attitude from him in the weeks leading up to this past weekend where we saw peak and upset and as you said yesterday i'll take my ball go home if everyone
doesn't play nice with me in this presidential campaign. i don't see -- i don't see the heart -- >> martin o'malley on our show right here, had heart, soul and fight. >> the funny thing is jeb and i've heard a lot of people saying in jeb world that's the best jeb has done when he was here on the set and talking policy. he was great. but, you know, you don't have to beat your chest and scream and yell. >> why is he running then? that's what i'm trying to figure out. i understand why everyone else is running. but jeb bush, is it just -- >> listen, i think it's a sense of responsibility. his family. >> every presidential, it's your reaction to the former president and if the knock on obama particularly among republicans is that he was a fresh face and that was a problem and what you want is experience and competence that's where jeb bush comes in. >> that's what hillary clinton's message is.
>> i have to say this. at the end of the day if you look at the field, and carson i think we're going to see the polls going up with carson even nationally. but i think at the end of the day if i were betting my money it's either trump or bush. it's either trump or bush. you have 17 people out there and right now i would put my chips on those two. and i say that thinking that bush also could be out of the campaign a month from now. it's just bizarre. >> coming up not just the presidential candidates looking to shape up taxes and trade, nobel laureate joseph stiglitz is here. we're minutes away of having donald trump joining us live. more to talk. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends. three jobs. you're like "nothing can replace brad!"
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. this morning police in south carolina are investigating after a video surfaced that appears to show an officer dragging a high school student from her desk. a warning some of this video is pretty graphic. you can see the school resource officer in columbia, south carolina approach the student at her desk. he put his arm around her next, appearing to slam the student to the floor and dragging her to the front of the room. the sheriff's office said the local nbc affiliate. the student was asked to leave the classroom by her teacher. when she retuesdayed officer
fields was called in and asked to remove her. the student was told she was under arrest and refused to l f leave the room. fields has been put on administrative leave. the confrontation has drawn intense criticism. the city's mayor says he's outraged. district superintendent says fully cooperating and she's deeply concern pending the outcome of an investigation the officer is not to return to any school in the district. >> what happened? >> deeply concerned? deeply concerned? the teacher is standing right there at the front of the class. under arrest for hat? what happened to the days when if a teacher asked a kid to be removed from the classroom and the kid refuses to leave the classroom getting the principal. and suspending the student or expelling the student. we don't know why the student was said to be under arrest. >> almost like she clinched down to hold on to the desk.
>> she's sitting at her desk. she's not threatening anybody. >> we don't know what was said. this is incredible. >> one place where kids are supposed to be safe. >> yes. >> we know that's not right. we don't know what happened before. who knows what, apparently she was mouthing off or whatever. we don't know what she was saying. but come on. >> does not deserve that kind of treatment. >> she was charged with disturbing school. so i don't know what she did leading up to that. >> now this is justification for what happened. >> now this child has a criminal record. >> he's a sheriff's deputy in the county there who works in the school. >> coming up minutes away from a brand new national poll and four polls out of iowa showing the same thing, ben carson out in front. donald trump joins us live to talk about the state of his campaign. plus presidential historian doris goodwin joins us. more "morning joe" next.
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you know every candidate in this race has a signature quick. hillary clinton has that laugh. trump has the hand gestures. ben carson has the voice that puts you in a coma. bernie sanders has something entirely different. bernie sanders has the tongue. >> the decision that he made. >> why are you going up in these numbers in iowa and new hampshire. >> politically. >> something we're all watching, senator, we're talking about all
those things -- >> welcome to "morning joe." doris is with us. we have mark halperin and mark barnacle and "the washington post" eugene robinson and joining the conversation presidential historian doris kearns goodwin. great to have you on board. the numbers are multipling. have you seen this? yesterday we had two polls. now it's four showing donald trump behind ben carson in iowa. the monmouth university poll of the aye republican caucus conducted from thursday to sunday shows trump trailing ben carson by 14 points. the poll had carson and trump tied in august. senators ted cruz and marco rubio tied for third place. statewide poll from iowa's own
loras college those carson rising and trump dropping. carson is up to 32 points. drufrp is down 19%. marco rubio gained six points putting him in third place and together four polls released within four days of each other have shown trump losing steam in iowa where the republican caucus is a little more than three months away. so joining us by phone, republican presidential candidate donald trump. donald? >> good morning. >> good morning. how are you doing? >> good. >> so what's up in iowa? >> well, i don't get it. i'm going there actually today and i have tremendous crowds and tremendous love in the room and, you know, we seem to have hit a chord. but some of these polls coming out, i don't quite get it. i was number one pretty much in iowa from the beginning, and i would say we're doing very well there. so i'm a little bit surprised. the other polls, you know, in other states are extraordinary, actually.
this one i on the quite get. i would have thought we were doing much better. i think we are doing much better, actually. >> donald, if the polls keep going in this direction in iowa do you write it off like a lot of other candidates write iowa off like candidates like mike huckabee and rick santorum do very well and then fade away. >> no i love iowa, i love the people of iowa. i have a great relationship with people in iowa. i wouldn't write it off at all. i would fight for it. i'll fight to tend for it. if i don't win it i under it can happen. >> donald, good morning it's willie. we sat around this table and a lot of people have sat around a table like this on shows like this and try to describe the phenomenon in iowa that's ben carson. how do you explain his rise in that state? >> well, i don't get it, to be honest with you. you look at different things having to do with ben and there's a lot of contradiction
and a lot of questions. we'll have to see. one thing about a front-runner you get analyzed 15 different way from china. a lot of things will come out. ben was pro abortion not so long ago as everybody has told me. personally i don't know but that's what i've been told but now he's so hard on abortion under no circumstance, there can be exceptions. how does that happen where you were pro and not long ago and then all of a sudden you can't have exceptions. that's an unusual stance and i think people will look at that and they will look at lots of other things including what happened in hospitals and what he was working own a ing on and thing i hear. i give credit but i don't get it. >> donald, we've had several polls that we just showed where your tally and ben carson's adds
up to 50%. and that's 50% of the republican voting bloc wants to elect somebody without any experience in politics. why is that? >> well, i have a lot of experience in politics. you were alluding to it before. all my life i've been involved. every deal i've done in my life practically has been politically. i'm doing many deals right now all over the world. ideal with prime ministers and heads of country. i've been very political. only time i've bean so-called politician. four months ago i became a politician which is hard to believe, actually if you think about it from my standpoint. this is something i never saw happening for myself. i've been a very political person for many years. i do think this, people are extremely unhappy with their politicians, including the president, including congress, you look what's going on there, it's a mess. and i think that people are
disgusted with politicians. >> look at these numbers that just crossed. ben carson at 26%. and you at 22. within the margin of error. marco rubio at eight. this is a national poll. nationally. marco rubio is at eight, carly fiorina at seven, jeb bush at seven. >> it looks right now donald trump within the margin of error in the middle much october like a two person race between you and ben carson. why should republican voters vote for you instead of ben carson? >> because i will make the best trade deals, i will be strongest and midwest on the military. i will get rid of obamacare. ben wants to knock out medicare. i heard that over the weekend. he wants to abolish medicare. abolishing medicare, i don't think you'll get away with that one. it's actually a program that's worked. it's a program that some people love, actually. so if you look at what is going
on with our country, if you take a look at the horrible deals that we made, including the iran deal, including take a look on a different subject, sergeant bowe bergdahl. we get bergdahl they get five killers they wanted for a long period of time. the whole thing is ridiculous. that's why people are unhappy. i'll make some great trade deals. i'll bring -- i will bring our jobs back. i'll bring our money back. i'll bring our manufacturing back. ben can't do that. >> i may be a carson denier, i have been accused of being a trump denier. this campaign at the end probably if i had to bet my own money would come between you and jeb bush. you had some tough words for jeb bush this weekend. do you think jeb has what it takes to be president? >> i don't know. let's find out. so far his campaign has not been good. he spent a lot of money hiring people.
this is what i mean by negotiating. i spent the least amount of money of anybody in a have the best result because in every poll other than these iowa polls i'm number one. now i see this new one. but i spend the least amount of money. you know, you can make the case. i can spend whatever it takes. i have more money than anybody by far. somebody has $12 million in the bank. take a look how much it costs the home raise money too where ben has $20 million but cost him $11 million to raise it and you take that out so you deduct the 11 from the 20. it's unbelievable the amount of money they spend to raise the money. now in my case i that have money and i'm willing at the right time, you have to wait for the right time, i'm willing to spend what is necessary. >> mark halperin. >> good morning, mr. trump. >> good morning. >> i want to ask you about your relationship with polls. when you're ahead of the polls you cite them. when we see polls where you're
behind sometimes you'll challenge the pollster, the organization, the methodology, the legitimacy of the poll. how do you determine -- how do you justify or explain attacking polls where you're behind but celebrating polls when you're ahead. >> you have found polls. when i was in school, when itches at wharton we had a case on polls. we had a one month study on polls. i believe in polls. i generally believe in polls. the thing with these polls they are so different. they are coming from all over the lot where one guy is up here, somebody else is up there, you see swings of 10 and 12 points and immediately even the same day. so right now its not very scientific. i think it's very hard when you have this many. overall, mark, i'm a believer in polls. they say something. >> doris. >> as somebody who studied presidents my whole life. just a couple of questions from leadership. one of the things that's attractive for you from many people you're not needing money and can you do it on your own.
if you become president would you support citizens united being undone, would you support campaign finance so somebody else can do what you're doing without being a billionaire. >> the whole thing of p.a.c.s is a disgrace. it's a scam. it's a disgrace. i had nine or 11 or some huge number of p.a.c.s set up for me by people i don't know. i see them on television all the time. some are saying, you know, they are all saying sort of good things about me. i have no idea what they will do with the money. they raise money and spend money. a worst trend has taken place. can you almost say that's the way it's supposed to be. if you look at ben carson his p.a.c. is running his iowa campaign and it's not supposed to be done like that. you look at jeb bush where he has his office near his p.a.c., you know, it's supposed to be totally independent. in theory they are not supposed to be talking to each other and now all of a sudden there was an
article yesterday in "wall street journal" where they gave up and practically taken over the campaign, running the campaigns because these guys don't have any money. the p.a.c.s have money and this is totally not supposed to be the way it's allowed. the sec is not doing anything about it. the p.a.c.s are totally out of control and those are the people that are puppets are controlling the candidate. i'm the only one -- i disavowed all p.a.c.s. i'm the only one that's self-funding. i hope in get credit for that. these p.a.c.s have totally taken over. >> i agree. here's the other question from the guys that i've studied, fdr, lincoln, teddy roosevelt, lbj, one of their greatest traits their ability when they make a mistake is to acknowledge it and grow. what's the biggest mistake you made and what you learned from it to help you become president? >> well, i think i have learned
that it's -- i want to be extremely cautious with words because you can say one word that you think is great to an audience. you may be in a local audience in new hampshire where i have a great feel and such great friendships in new hampshire and you may say something, one word and you know it's a little bit controversial but you're in this audience and the next day it's the front page of a newspaper. you do have to be very careful about your language. no question. >> you said also when you were asked about a month ago what you would do differently, seems like you said that again you would guard your words a bit more carefully. >> i think so. you know, it works well in a room with, you know, 1,000 people or 2,000 people and you're all having fun together. but in the meantime mark halperin sitting in the back of the room with his notebook, a somewhat catastrophic word. so everyone is laughing, everyone is having a good time until the next day. i shouldn't have said that. you have to be very careful with
your words. >> i also ask people whether i'm asking about a job or whether i'm interviewing them, what the low point in their life is, not trying to be oprah or anything. but what was your biggest setback, what did you learn from that? and how did you get off a mat and become a better person because of that? >> anything. >> what for you, what was the low point of your life and how did you become a better person by walking through that personal hell? >> i would say, you know, the loss of my parents, i lost my father and mother and that was very difficult because i had great parents. that is something that people go through and it's sort of, that's the way it's supposed to be in the chain of events but i would say the loss of my brother. i had a breath brothgreat broth. he lost his life a long time ago. it was a very tough thing. i was able to get off the mat.
but i had a wonderful brother who was very instructive and taught me a lot. >> how did that change you how did that make you a better person the loss of your brother? >> i just think the fact that i was able to recover from it. he was very instructive. he was able to give me great advice over the years as to alcohol, as to smoking, as to drugs weren't prevalent, i guess in those days. but it would have been that too. but he gave me great advice over the years. i would say because that's not the chain of events that you expect. that was something that was very tough. >> is that why you don't drink alcohol? >> yes, totally. i have that type of personality. that was actually -- he was a great teacher in a sense. >> mike barn caaclebarnacle. >> don't in your business career you've assessed the field and
have won. as you assess the political field in this primary seen who do you think is your biggest opposition and how do you deal with the opposition with that person? who is the candidate who is the biggest opposition to you >> well i thought just by the normal chain of events, i thought and by, you know, history, it would be jeb bush and in guess that's what people said wow you hit him hard. everybody was saying well he's going to ascend to the throne like we're dealing with thrones in this country and so far -- i'm not sure what will happen. who knows what will happen. certainly that hasn't between case. so i went after him. i'm surprised at ben carson. i go after ben carson. whatever happens happens. i don't know. that's my whole life. somebody is an opponent i want to win. ben carson is now doing well and i think ben carson has a lot of problems with his record, if you look at his record including going back in the past and, you
know, those problems are going to start to come out. it's an amazing -- when you're in first place like a cleansing action. some of it is very unfair cleansing. it's really like a cleansing action. lot of thing will come out and we'll see how he holds up to the scrutiny. i've been there for 100 some days and we'll see how ben holds up to the scrutiny. ben has a lot of things in his past. we'll see how he holds up. >> gene robinson. >> donald, good morning. >> hi, gene. >> hi. listen, there are a lot of people in the republican establishment who are high fiving each other because of the cbs poll showing carson ahead of you because their theory is that you are just a front-runner, you won't round from behind. if you're not ahead and can't say you're not ahead in your campaign speeches and rallies that you will fade, even lose interest, that the one thing you
could never stand would be to lose a primary or to not be in first place. are they right? does this dampen your enthusiasm for this whole enterprise? >> no, they are wrong, gene. i was called by a person you would know very well, highly, highly respected journalist and called me about a month ago and said how does it feel? i said how does what feel? how does it feel to do what you've done, this is the summer of trump, amazing what's happened. how does it feel. i said it doesn't feel anything i haven't done. he said yes you have you've done something no one else in politics. you've dominated. i don't consider it dominated because i haven't won. he said no you've won. somebody you know very well, very, very smart guy who i don't know but, i mean i don't know him well. he called out of the blue. he was going to do a story or is doing a story.
the fact is that i consider -- you have to win. i'm in it to the end. now i think if i don't make it, which, of course, people say oh, he's certainly a possibility, i'll still be proud of my effort because i've done very well. i'm not a politician. i've run so far a great race. i will continue to run a great race. what happens, gene, i can't tell you what happens. who knows. but i think i've done a very commendable job according to almost everybody. >> donald, one of the big arguments for your campaign has been that you'll bring the jobs back. they are coming back to america pup said something yesterday at our town hall that you badgered ford motor so much they cancelled plans to open up a plant in mexico, bring those jobs back to the united states. ford came out yesterday after that saying that's not true. we're still investing in mexico and not opening new plants. john kasich said it was because of his work in 2011.
did you misspeak about that story yesterday? >> no. i've been hitting ford because they are building this massive plant in mexico and they should be building it here. they are bringing jobs back now and i think one of the reasons that they are bringing the jobs back is because i've been hitting ford very hard in a lot of speeches. not loin ford, i've been hitting, nabisco is moving out of chicago to mexico. they are moving a big plant. many, many companies are moving into mexico. mexico will be the new china if you want to know the truth and i've been hitting ford very hard and they are bringing back -- i give credit to kasich, i give credit to everybody. we should be fighting this shouldn't happen. he has fought for that. i'm saying i think i put a lot of pressure on ford to make decisions and get things going faster. now they shouldn't build that plant, should have been allowed the build that plant in the first place. we didn't that have leaders to do that to keep it here. >> donald trump, thank you so
much. >> thanks donald. >> greatly appreciate it as always. >> thank you very much. >> doris stay with us. we'll analyze this and this crazy race when we return. >> more insight into the 2016 republican primary ahead on "morning joe." can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?
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22 past the hour. the lights are on at the white house. joining us now katy tur. mark hall brooklyn. mark mckinnon and doris goodwin and the debate to talk about which is tomorrow night. it's fascinating. will these candidates take to it the next level? >> they are seeing a chunk in the armor with donald trump and they will add more to it and take him down further by getting him to go further on policy
issues which he hasn't been able to do. his stump speeches are exciting for crowds. he really rallies people but doesn't necessarily add any details or change it up that much. >> he hasn't had to. >> and ben carson, doris, ben carson hasn't either. i'm looking at these polls, add the numbers up. almost every single poll is 50% carson and trump. one out of two republican voters say we want a president that has absolutely no experience in politics. >> you know, it makes sense that there's frustration what's going on. but to say the whole political class is something you don't want and you don't want somebody with experience who knows what they are doing when they get in there, how to manage, how to deal with congress, it's nuts. >> i'm surprised the governors aren't doing better. >> in that 50% we don't want
anyone with experience. >> when trump exploded i asked is there a parallel. craig shirley and newt gingrich talked about there's a jacksonian strain in donald trump. everybody was aghast with andrew jackson being elected president although landowners in virginia. but ben carson, is there any parallel to a doctor who bursts on the national stage for giving a speech -- >> doris, dig deep. >> i'm curious. >> i can't find one. somebody in business has learned how to manage so there are leadership qualities that they have had. maybe he ran a hospital and maybe he's a good doctor. yet doesn't steam have that sense of connection to the experience of leadership. i mean, we got generals who have been leaders, we had presidents who were politicians beforehand. this is a democracy. you want people who liked politics. i thought last week actually
brought back some of the positiveness of politics. you saw hillary do well because of her experience. you saw the feeling people had towards joe biden when he said purpose was given to me by politics. you saw paul ryan stepping up to say i'm going to care about the house. i care about my party. i thought yeah, politics are back. now we're back on this thing again where the outsiders are floating around. >> to your initial point usually when we talk about we need someone from the outside, we're sick of the establishment, they messed everything up, people say we need a ceo in the white house. we need someone who knows how to run something, run the economy, run the business. there's a parallel with trump like it or not. >> there spar legal. mark mckinnon, i got a lot of doctor friends that i won after today. doctors are used to being told yes from the second they become doctors. they live a far more sheltered
life and say what you will about donald trump who has been fighting and scratching and clawing and kicking and just like politician, just like bill clinton. bill clinton has had to fight his entire life for everything he got. >> we have a really different version of what constitutes representatives today than we did 200 years ago when we built this country. the initial idea you get very successful people from the private-sector go in and serve for a few years and get out. there's nothing in the constitution that says you have to serve 20 years to be a successful politician or leader. that's what american people are saying. if leadership is what we had for the last 20, 30 years that's what is fueling donald trump and ben carson. there's nothing that says you have to be in politics all your life. >> ben carson is leading in the latest national poll. as we continue to search why people like him he not born with a father who gave him a million
dollar loan. part of why his supporters like him, they read his auto b autobiography. look at how he started to become the head of surgery at johns hopkins and now tube leading presidential candidate, you have to search pretty hard and long in modern history to find somebody who represents the american dream as much as ben carson. everybody i meet who supports him knows his story. >> ben carson's ads began appearing yesterday. >> the political class say impossible. he's too outside-the-box. well they do know impossible. impossible to balance the budget, first and foremost get border security, impossible to put aside partisanship. i'm ben carson. i'm running for president. i'm very much outside-the-box. there must be a good idea in there somewhere. i have no words.
for the first time in 8 1/2 years, "morning joe" history, mike barnacle, i have no words. >> it's something i would have seen in elementary school explaining salad. s-a-l-a-d. >> that's appealing to people. when you talk to people on the road, when they talk about who they like, often they will say donald trump and ben carson which is so surprising because they are technically outsiders but so different and they go about things in such a different way and i'll speak to women and women say i think ben carson has amazing respect for women and so great to his wife. but i like donald trump. i don't care that he done necessarily have respect for women but i think he'll be a good leader. i'll say this about donald trump he has these rallies and crowds skraemg. when you talk to people
afterwards they say i want to hear more from him. i want to hear more what he'll do and how he will do it. >> but we live in a country where ben carson who has said less on policy -- i understand exactly what you're saying and i have a lot of people that want to vote for trump but they are saying i want to hear more. but if you have ben carson who runs those type of commercials and says even less it's kind of hard to say donald trump, i need your policy papers now. >> what we should be saying these polls don't mean what they say. how intensely are people thinking about it yet. there's a big difference between now and when they go in that caucus booth, put something behind them in a curtain. >> i'll tell you what, doris when i'm out and about and talking to people i know outside and we sit around and eating hamburgers, who your voting for? trump. who are your voting for.
trump. who are you voting for. carson. who are you voting for trump. they are not thinking about bush or cruz. >> i wouldn't be surprised if those characters, rubio and maybe bush begin to come up as it gets close toirt. >> i think mark mckinnon this is all an indictment about the republican party in washington, d.c. this is 30 years of anger and resentment of promises made, promises broken, balanced budgets promised, massive deficits delivered. the expansion of medicare, a program that was already going bankrupt. a promise of restrained foreign policy. followed by military venturism. it is hard for me to see the republican voter, primary voter going out over the next month and a half going okay i'll give
the d.c. establishment another chance. >> that's why i disagree with you about ben carson's ad. as an ad guy i think it's very effective. very simple. the message very clear. i'm different. i'm out of the box. i can solve these problems. what people are demanding doesn't matter if it's democratic or republican solution they just want problem solving and that basic message of ben carson's ad. >> i saw mika -- >> he said bipartisanship which was interesting in a republican primary. >> i saw an ad yesterday that has to be scary, an article in "wall street journal" that has to be scaring republicans. >> what's that? >> you know big donors hasn't figured out what they want to do. the biggest of biggest republican donors. charles koch. people think that charles koch and we'll be interviewing him in a couple of weeks, they think he's this right-wing -- he's
not. he's very nuanced. very conservative economically. a libertarian obviously an criminal justice his group is leading the charge. can you talk about a lot of other issues. charles koch was the first to say when the tea party was exploding and i think it was after the government shutdown, like enough. i've had enough. this is not about annihilism. charles koch yesterday was like this is enough. we're going to give $9 milk lone. he's now saying i don't know if i'm going be giving money to this party. i don't know if i'm going to be giving my money to these candidates. i don't know if there's a single republican presidential candidate i'm going to support when you hear that from charles koch and you're a republican, you know -- by the way, torris, charles koch was right when he said enough after the government
shutdown. that's when he said enough. we're not just going start giving money to people who promise us stuff. there's an alabama special exception, alabama won. they got involved in that. they started demanding that the people they supported actually could figure out how to govern. charles koch says enough, i'm going home and i'm not going give you all that money i pledged just a year before. there are a lot of other donors that are saying the same thing. >> we're still talk about money. this is the poison in the system. why is the political culture so bad in sfwhaesh they are spending so much time raising funds to get their special interests to do what they want. now they are turning them off. >> now you're a trump supporter. >> i see it in your eyes. >> no what i want is for him to be out there and lead the citizens united, get rid of it, get an amendment pass sod we don't have this money in the system. where is it wrong down there? how much time do they spend?
they admit 80% of the time they spend raising money, dialing for dollars. >> that's the way it works. wouldn't you hate it now. it's so much worse now than when you were there. >> it was bad when i was there. i didn't dial for dollars. >> it's always been there. there was a guy named mark hannah what are the three most important first thing. he says first is money. then he pauses second is money. escalation today is sickening. >> what will we see tomorrow debate? >> the moderators get the home talk about the economy in a serious way and trump and carson better come prepared to have some specifics. >> what about bush? >> he is under extraordinary pressure from his support towers make a big mark in this debate and whether he channels his fire at rubio or trump, i don't know but he has to break through. his supporters are looking for a sign he has fight. >> what are your expecting? >> trump needs to shine.
this is his wheelhouse. he needs to come out and say specifically what he will do for small businesses in america and for people trying to make it by. i think you'll hear him really needle jeb bush. you'll hear attacks at carson but he'll go after jeb bush. >> mark mckinnon what your looking for? >> the way to go after trump, particularly if i was jeb would be to go with humor. just try to needle him back in a way with light and levity. >> mr. bush has to show what he promised when he first ran. he hasn't done the fun part. interesting -- >> i don't think he does. >> this is why i'm going into it pup got to show you're enjoying the process. the supreme court justice once said no president is good unless he enjoys the job and has fun in it. my husband told that to president kennedy when he was running.
he said you tell them i'll have a hell of a job, i'm going to love this job. fdr loved this job. >> in fact he said yesterday i got better things to do. >> i got cooler things to do than this. you can't demean the process you're in. >> doris kearns goodwin, mark mckinnon. as joe mentioned next tuesday we'll get a rare exclusive interview with charles and david koch. when we come back this morning the warnings about how much and what kinds of meat we can eat. more "morning joe" in just a moment. >> i'm going to a fall out >> i'm going to a fall out shelter.
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the report puts process meat in the same category as tobacco and asbestos. the cdc says smoking increases your cancer risk by 2,000%. the $134 billion meat industry called the 800 studies that the report looked at unconvincing. >> scientific evidence doesn't have a link between processed meat or red meat and any type of cancer. >> i think she's right. >> it's hard to have her job. >> wait. >> she needs more honest. >> she's being very honest. look at her and see. so, can i not eat bacon now? >> no, i wouldn't. >> come on. i got have bacon. i'm way off red meat. i hardly eat red meat any more. but bacon. >> don't do it.
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40, 50 years. >> one of the interesting things is that productivity has continued to grow. if you look at chart of productivity it's gone pretty steadily. the remarkable thing, never happened before while productivity is going up, wages have stagnated. used to be, almost in all economies all over the world those two numbers tracked each other. not exactly but tracked each other. >> isn't that a technology problem? >> no, no. this is how you share the pie. so the good news is that technology, globalization all of that have increased the size of the pie. not as fast as it should be. the bad news is that all the gains have gone to a small sliver at the top. >> you said no pretty quickly. our factories were as productive as they were in 1992, 1993, i saw the seven-day forecast a year or two ago, just that
productive, there would be 20, 30 million more jobs. more productive we've become, the less workers have bern needed, more people at the top gather more of the capital and people at the bottom are looking for jobs because the jobs that their parents and grandparents had in packer tos went away when industrialization hit. >> first, we could have taken 0 a more proactive role. productivity for american workers has continued to increase. we've shifted our economy. >> which means fewer workers can get more done and more are left behind. >> so that increase in productivity should have meant we had the right macro economic policies, right stimulus. our economy would have been prospering. the problem is that with all the money going to the top, demand
has been weak. you know, what keeps the economy going is that people have to buy the goods and services that americans use. >> because fewer people are having to work, though. listen, i'm not fighting you there i'm just saying there's a reason why wall street is making record profits and main street is suffering. when you look at 17,000 on the dow, while small business owners are struggling to stay open. >> there are a couple of points here. the way we have rewritten the rules has enabled those at the top to take a larger and larger share. you know, it's not just an accident the way we made it harder for workers to bargain. globalization is part of it. but there's been other changes in the rules of the game. >> what do we do now? >> well the real point about this is beginning in 1980 we started rewriting the rules to make our economy less of a level
playing field. and it showed up in a number of ways. the way monetary policy was conducted. we deregulated, had a bubble, financial sector the financial sector grew from 2.5% of gdp to 8%, no increase in productivity, no visible sign this was giving america a bigger strength. what it was doing was taking more money -- >> tech bubbles, housing bubbles up. >> look at our tax law that say that speculators pay lower taxes than people that work for a living. my best students were going into finance rather than into engineering -- >> and they pay 14% on capital gains. >> and that's why they're going there. >> exactly. >> i have two questions. one is for the last 25 or 30 years, we've gone from a culture of everybody thinking they can
get ahead to a culture of everybody just trying to stay even week to week. have the diminution of the power of the labor movement played much of a role -- >> i think it's a significant part of it. and that, in turn, is part of rewriting the rules. we made it more difficult. the wagner act under the new deal rewrote the rules that led to the increase in the unions and then we started in 1980 to rewrite the rules again. it was striking. you can look at all the details. one of the things that's strikings, america is one of the few advanced companies where individuals don't get sick leave, they don't get family leave. we're supposed to be one of the richest countries in the world and we treat our workers worse than other rich countries that are in a similar economic situation. so it's about -- that's why this
book is about rewriting the rules. we rewrote them in 1980 and brick by brick we rewrote the system over a third of the century. we now have the results of that third of a century experiment. it's been pretty bad for the bottom 90%. if you're a top 1%, it's been great. but the bottom 90%, 95%, not very good. >> i was going to say your 90% may be low. it may be 95, 96%, right? >> could we get you back? we have a lot to talk about here. we can't do it in five, ten minutes. we're going to hold you for an hour. >> please come back. >> the book is "rewriting the rules of the american economy," joseph stiglitz, thank you very much. still ahead, two drone wars. why two of the world's biggest retailers may be on a collision
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fix what? fix the election? because that might be his only hope. >> that's a good question. good morning, everyone. it's tuesday, october 27th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle. mike, how are you? >> i'm well. >> managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin and in washington, associate editor of "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. >> so the world series starts tonight, guys. the mets. >> mets in six. >> look at this, "destiny." then again, look at the royals who were pushed to the wall. >> very good team. >> royals have the home field advantage, though, i don't know. i think they do it in seven, royals in seven. >> you're just a hater. >> no, no, no, i like the mets. >> it's a yankee fan -- >> no, yankee fans don't hate
mets. we think they're adorable little brother. >> here we go. to politics, they're multiplying. yesterday it was two, now it's four. four polls showing donald trump behind ben carson. the monmouth university poll shows trump trailing ben carson by 14 points. senators ted cruz and marco rubio are tied for third place with rubio gaining 6 points and a statewide poll from iowa's own loras college finds carson rising and trump dropping. marco rubio also gained 6 points in this poll, putting him in third place. all together, four polls released within four days of each other have shown trump losing steam in iowa where the
republican caucus is a little more than three months away. >> mark halperin, we were talking about this for a couple of weeks, if the election were held that carson could actually beat trump. now it looks like a pretty massive surge there. >> carson is a better fit than the iowa electorate than trump is. he has not done ads. he's relied on his national image. does he come back in iowa or concede it to carson? >> if it happens in iowa, why doesn't it happen in new hampshire next? >> it could but the new hampshire electorate is more in line of trump. iowa has a large number of evangelical voters -- >> what's happened over the past week or so. we knew the fundamentals were good for carson -- >> in iowa. >> in iowa, that he could ramp it up but there's been an
explosion over the past week. >> again, carson hasn't spent much time there either but it's just a better fit for him. you look at the other evangelical candidates -- >> has anything happened in the past week that would cause a 16-point jump? >> three things. one is he's been on a book tour. two, as people see carson as plausibly winning iowa, they're more inclined to be for him. and, three, his organizing both by the super pac and campaign is as intense and vigorous as anybody, except maybe ted cruz's in iowa. that makes a lot of difference in polls. >> ben carson's campaign began tv ads last week. one ad highlighting his independent thinking hit airwaves earlier than intended in south carolina. >> the political class and their
pundit buddies say impossible, he's too outside the box. well, they do no impossible, impossible to balance the budget, impossible to get bored are security, impossible to put aside partisanship. i'm ben carson. i'm very outside the box. there must be a good idea in there somewhere. >> his campaign seems to be working. he's raised the most money than any republican candidate so far with 50% of it with donations of $200 or less. with only 6% donating the federal limit. eugene robinson, what is your got? >> i cannot explain the phenomenon that is ben carson. clearly one aspect of his appeal is i'm even less of a politician and less of a political insider
than donald trump. the outside the box commercial i think hits his big point of appeal, which is i'm not these other guys that you're tired of, that you're sick of. that's one aspect. and i think the other aspect, as mark said, this huge appeal of evangelicals and something of a momentum factor. when he inches ahead, he tends to leap ahead, i guess. certainly ben carson can win iowa. i'm not sure that donald trump can win iowa. i think he can be more competitive in iowa and i think trump can win new hampshire. we'll see. >> how is it that the entire republican field seems to have underestimated the fact that ben carson has been organizing in iowa for four years? >> there is this weird thing where no one has gone all out to
organize iowa, trump, carson, bush, cruz have been the most aggressive. it's time consuming to do, expensive to do and no one's done it. carson has an emotional connection, intellectual connection with his supporter. he's in some way the best for the mood in general while still be an evangelical. >> where is that transferable to outside of iowa? >> south carolina potentially. >> i doubt it. >> i don't see south carolina. >> though we've been wrong about carson. >> we've been wrong about a lot of things, wrong about trump. but, gene, south carolina republicans are establishment republicans. people talk about newt gingrich. well, newt won it. guess what, newt gingrich was as establishment a republican over a generation going back to 1974 and probably sent more e-mails
and more direct mail and more everything over the past 30 years than anybody else. so -- i would be stunned if south carolina republicans supported a candidate like ben carson. >> i would be surprised -- i don't know if anything should stun us this year. south carolina republicans tend to like somebody harder edged than ben carson. remember how newt won it last time with a very fiery speech, you know, very, very tough on president obama. i just don't -- i don't see ben carson, you know, giving that sort of speech or that sort of presentation that really, sights south carolina. we'll see. >> and also across the deep south, that primary. there's sort of a jacksonian edge to southern republicans
opini. i know because i am one. they want to know you can fight. >> and the polls show that. donald's down 6 points in those iowa polls, that's almost within the margin of error. this is as much about ben carson -- >> you mean him dropping? >> his drop is as much about ben carson going up. and ben carson is saying things that may dumb found people in new york and in the media who don't stand his point of view but when he does something like compare abortion to slavery, that's not a new argument for pro-lifers. they talk about dehumanizing a human being and taking away who they are. so that rings true to a lot of people, republicans and conservatives while it may baffle people in new york, it seems very reasonable to other people. >> and donald trump joined us just a few minutes ago. >> donald, look at ben carson at
26%, you at 22, within the margin of error, this is a national poll, marco rubio at 8, carly fiorina at 7, jeb bush at 7. it looks right now, donald, this is within the margin of error, it looks in the middle of october like a two-person race between you and ben carson. why should republican voters vote for you instead of ben carson? >> because i will make the best trade deals, i will be strongest and best on the military, i will get rid of obama care. ben wants to knock out medicare, i heard that over the weekend. he wants to abolish medicare. i don't think you're going to get away with that one and it's actually a program that's worked. it's a program that some people love actually. if you look at what's going on with our country, if you take a look at the horrible deals that we've made, including the iran deal, including even you take a look on a different subject,
sergeant bergdahl, we get bergdahl, they get five killers they've wanted for a long time. that's ridiculous. that's why people are so unhappy. i will make some of the great trade deals. i will bring our jobs back, i'll bring our money back, i'll bring our manufacturing back. ben cannot do that. >> i may be a carson denier. i've been accused of being trump deniers, but i think this campaign at the end probably would come down between you and jeb bush. you had some very tough words for jeb bush this weekend. do you think he has what it takes to be president? >> i don't know. we'll find out. he's spent a lot of money on hiring people. i've spent the least amount of money of anybody and i have the best result. because in every poll other than these iowa polls, i am number one. now i see this new one.
but i spent the least amount of money. now, you can make a case, i'm willing to spend whatever it takes. i have more money than anybody by far. somebody was saying somebody has $12 billion in the bank. take a look at how much it costs them to raise money, too. where ben has $20 million but it cost him $11 million to raise it and you take that out, so you deduct the 11 from the 20. it's unbelievable the amount of money they spend to raise the money. now in my case i have the money and i'm willing at the right time -- you have to wait till the right time but at the right time i'm willing to spend whatever is necessary. >> mark halperin. >> good morning, mr. trump. >> good morning. >> i want to ask you about once and for all your relationships with polls. when you're ahead in the polls you cite them like they're scientific gospel. when you're behind, often times you'll challenge the pole stepo the methodology and how do you
justify attacking poll when is you're behind and justifying when you're ahead. >> you have to understand polls. when i was the wharton, we had a one-month study on polls. i generally believe in polls. the thing with these polls, they're all so different, they're all over the lot. up see swi you see swings of 10 and 12 points, even the same day. right now it's not scientific. overall, mark, i am a believer in polls. i think they say something, at least they spot a trend. >> doris. >> as somebody who studied president all my life, one of the things that attractive to people is you don't need money, can you do it on your own, if you would support citizens
united being undone? >> i think the whole thing of pacs is a disgrace. i think it's a scam. it's a disgrace. i had nine or 11, some huge number of pof pacs set up for m. i see them all on television. they're all saying sort of good things about me. i have no idea what they're going to do with the money. they raise money and this spend money but a worst trend -- that could you almost say is the way it's supposed to be. but if you look at ben carson, his pac is running his iowa campaign. and it's not supposed to be done like that. and you look at jeb bush, where he has his office near his pac, you know, it's supposed to be totally independent. in theory they're not even supposed to be talking to each other. in fact, there was an article yesterday in the wall street journal where they've just about given up and they're practically taking over the campaigns. the pacs have the money.
this is not the way it's supposed to be allowed and the fec is not doing anything about it. the pacs are out of control and like puppets they're controlling the candidates. i disavowed all pacs. i'm the only one that's self-funding. >> i hope if you get in you make this a leadership point. >> these pacs have totally taken over. >> i agree, i agree. >> from the guys i've studied, fdr, lincoln, teddy roosevelt. one of their greatest traits had they make a mistake is to acknowledge it and learn from it and grow. what would you say is the biggest mistake that will help up now to become president. >> i think i've learned i want to be extremely cautious with words. you can say one work where
you -- i have a great feel in n new hampshire, you may say something, one word and the next day it's in the newspaper. you do have to be very careful with your language. >> when you were asked about a month ago what you'd do differently, seems up said you would guard your words a bit more carefully. >> i think so. it works well in a room with a thousand people or 2,000 people and you're all having a lot of fun together. but in the meantime mark halperin is sitting in the back of the room with miss notebook and it ends up being a somewhat catastrophic word. so everyone's laughing, everyone's having a good time until the next day when i say, you know, i shouldn't have said that. so you have to be very careful with your words. >> i'm going to follow up on this because i always ask people whether i'm asking about a job or when i'm interviewing what
the low point of their life is. what was your biggest setback, what did you learn from that and how did you get off the mat and become a better person because of that? >> anything. >> what for you was the low point of your life and how did you become a better person by walking through that personal hell? >> well, i would say, you know, the loss of my parents. i lost my father and my mother. that was very difficult because i had great parents. but that is something that people go through and it's, you know, sort of that's the way it's supposed to be in the chain of events, but i would say that the loss of my brother. i had a great brother, fred, he taught me a lot, he was a terrific guy. and when i lost him because that is not according to the way it's supposed to work, a long time ago. it was a very tough thing and i was able to get off the mat. but i had a wonderful brother, fred, who was very instructive and taught me a lot. >> how did that change you, make you a better person, the loss of your brother? >> i just think the fact that i
was able to recover from it. he was very instructive. he was able to give me great advice over the years as to alcohol, as to smoking, as to, you know, drugs weren't prevalent i guess in those days but it would have been that, too. but he gave me great advice over the years. i would say because that is not the chain of events that you expect, that was something -- >> is that why you don't drink alcohol? >> totally. totally. and who knows, if i did, who knows if i'd even be talking to you right now. i do have that type of personality. i may not be on the phone with you right now. he was a great teacher in a sense. >> coming up on "morning joe," the emerging feud between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. and later -- >> these people have no jobs, no food, no education, no future. i just figure that, you know, we have two things we can do. we can either help or we can sit back and watch a country destroy
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let's turn now to the democrats and an emerging feud between hillary clinton and bernie sanders over a comment sanders made at the first democratic debate that the clinton campaign is now painting as sexist. here's what sanders said during that first debate after clinton accused him of not being tough enough on guns. >> the senator from a rural state what i can tell secretary
clinton that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what i would hope all of us want and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we are seeing. >> as the "new york times" and others have pointed out, the shouting phrase is one sanders had used regularly throughout his campaign, even before clinton released her plan to address gun violence. but clinton zeroed in on the line on twitter and in consecutive speeches on friday and saturday -- >> i've been told to stop, and i quote, shouting about gun violence. well, first of all, i'm not shouting. it's just when women talk some people think we're shouting. >> i've been told to shouting about ending gun violence. well, i haven't been shouting but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people thinks it's shouting.
but i won't be silenced and i hope you won't be either. how many more people have to die before we take action? >> what i was talking about very clearly is that all across this country you have people shouting at each other -- >> she's suggesting that you're saying that she's shouting and that you -- when you hear a woman talking you think that they're shouting. >> well, what can i say? that's just not the case. >> now sanders' chief strategist tad devine is pushing back saying if they're going to have a campaign that attacks bernie on gun safety and implies he engages in sexism, that's unacceptable. we're going to have to talk about other things if they do that. wow. >> mika, is that sexist what bernie sanders said? >> no. that was -- don't make me say, it joe. >> no, say it. >> no, please don't make me say
it. >> let me just say that's pathetic. >> that was pathetic. >> i know she's the front-runner, i'm sure she's going to win and go for it, i'm glad -- >> but that was pathetic. >> that was like veep. >> that was veep. >> straight out of veep. >> it was worse than veep. it wasn't funny. when veep does it, julia louis dreyfuss, it's hysterical. that was pathetic. i know sexism. hillary clinton knows sexism. everyone stop writing lines for her. they're bad, really bad. when we talk about sexism and we talk about women and equal pay and all these things that are important, let's not denigrate it with that stupidity, let's not, because we embarrass ourselves. i'm like cringing. you really shouldn't have asked me. i'm going to get killed but
that's okay. because that was pathetic. that was pathetic. >> that is sad and pathetic and that is exactly why people like donald trump are doing well. because his political correctness is total b.s. and why would hillary clinton's campaign feel like they needed to play the sexism card? she's doing well. act like a little sad victim? poor little me, oh, no, and i'm not going to stop roaring about guns. it's pathetic. >> why, mark halperin, why? >> does anyone disagree? >> put their boot on bernie's neck. >> they are -- >> the way they put the boot on bernie's neck is by accusing him of being sexist? >> they're trying to discombobulate him. >> after careful selection i'm proud to nominate for associate justice of supreme court judge
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. do you read me? over. >> get to him. >> hey, this is blackhawk down. you're going to stay here, you're going to hold this corner. you're coming with me. all right? let's go. >> how come i got to stay back here? >> because you're dependable. all right. let's go! >> that was of course actor josh harnett portraying sergeant matt eversmann after his service in somalia. sergeant eversmann is now
speaking out for veterans care. he joins us with congressman sean duffy, who is holding an event to raise awareness for new legislation on capitol hill. what battle are you guys fighting now politically on capitol hill in. >> so here's the deal. with regard to hearing issues in the v.a. system, it's one of the largest issues that relate to the bag log in the v.a. if you have an hearing issue, you have to get your hearing aids fitted with an ad yol gist. and we want to see ad yol gists and allow them to be fitted by hearing aids specialists -- >> what are the big issues? what treatment are veterans not getting? >> veterans are waiting too long to get hearing aids fitted. if they're waiting three months to six months to be able to hear, it's a problem. >> and hearing aids, i take it,
sergeant, hearing aids that were caused by your service in iraq and other places like somalia? >> yeah. joe, you just showed a clip of the movie. i can pinpoint almost to the hour the moment my hearing loss became that significant. and as the congressman was saying, we're facing tremendous difficulty getting treatment as veterans through the v.a. it not that the treatment doesn't exist. it's just that the backlog is so big. it's the same story you've heard and have been reporting on for years. we want to bring that front and center once again in our activities once again today. it's that big a deal that our veterans understand that we're trying to find a solution through the v.a. >> joe, you talked about it a number of times on your show, the number one back log is in relationship to hearing issues. we're trying to move it to some of the low tech guys that can
fit hearing aids and get our veterans hearing again. it doesn't cost any money, joe. it's free! >> mike, again, hearing loss and quality of life problems related directly to service for this country. >> yeah, it's a huge issue. i mean, no movie -- we just showed a clip from "blackhawk down," no movie can replicate noise of war, it's just horrendous. one of the things is the logistics of getting the help. if you live in a rural area or live far away from a v.a. hospital, you're in the car for a whole day back and forth. what does it bithis bill do, if anything, to address that? >> that's one of the biggest problems veterans face. it's not subatomic physics we
talk about. a kid in western maryland that can't come to baltimore to see the v.a. faces significant challenges. we're talking about allowing the hearing aid specialists that are on the economy already that are right next door to be able to see these veterans. we want to open that door to alleviate that logistical nightmare. and it's true in every state. doesn't matter what veteran you are talk to in any state, they're still facing those same difficulties. we can do better than that. after 14 years of war, we should do better for these men and women who are out there doing this every day? >> and that's my district. it's important to mention these aren't old guys. these are young guys coming home off the battlefield that have these issues and it's a growing number that need this care and help. alleviating the back log,
allowing people to get care in their community in these rural areas. it's really simple. >> what are your thoughts as you looking back and seeing all the gains in iraq made in 2007, 2008 and 2009 all now lost. >> i was there in kevin in the surge southwest of baghdad and i can tell you it is absolutely heart breaking to see, you know, there is sand that is bathed in blood of americans. and no matter what anybody on any side of the aisle thinks, we've got a ruthless enemy that needs to be dealt with. and i can tell you where we're going, it's like sisyphus. we're pushing back uphill. that is so demoralizing, so heart breaking. but if there is good news in all of it, it is to say when you see a guy like sergeant wheeler and the caliber of men and women and
we have that still are out there pushing for us, we're going to get back on track. but it hurts. i can't lie. it's a painful, painful commentary. >> congressman, we just showed a headline that president obama is now considering moving american troops closer to the front lines in syria and iraq. he certainly seems to understand the mistake he made in iraq in 2010 by his actions in afghanistan. now it looks like he's going to try to get more engaged in iraq and syria. >> and it might be a little bit too little too late but i think it's important that the president learn from his mistakes and to think we could just pull out of the region and everything goes really well, he was advised that that would not happen and that has come to past. we have huge problems in the middle east and for america to engage again and lead again i think is very important. even though it's a small step of the president, i think it's the right step of recognition that
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that date back to 1997, including the grand prix, the impalla. it has to do with an oil leak that causes fires in people's home and garages. it sort of a recall of a recall because repairs didn't work. the one thing i'll say about this is there are so many recalls piling up. this year alone for the first nine months of the year, according to "fortune," 141 expecting 34 million vehicles. 2014 was a record years, 74 million. whether consumers are getting sort of numb to these headlines, the not having an impact on sales, general motors just boosted salaries at their factories. >> walmart has official live seeked permits from regulators
to start testing drones for things like groceries and it's try to be more efficient as it predicts a profit decline. regulators have to get on board with this because in silicon valley, they say the technology is there. >> we shall see, sara. it does freak me out. greatly appreciated as always. coming up next, it might be the first book inspired by a tumbler blog. >> rpg, rpg. >> it doesn't matter what alabama does, okay, because when i get ahold of that gay marriage ban, it's going to fall faster than madonna at the britt awards. they say justice is blind but anybody can see you've earned -- ♪ ♪ >> oh, don't. ruth bader ginsburg, everybody.
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micaela: after i left the foster-care system, i realized that i just couldn't do it on my own. not knowing where you guys are gonna go that night and just stay, like, it sucked not knowing that. mission rock -- it's completely different from anywhere that i've lived. it looks so much prettier. the atmosphere -- it just gives off possibilities. like, i have a chance. i can print out like six different ways to get to work. i would be proud to have someone like micaela be my neighbor. i would love to have somebody like claudia be my neighbor. claudia: i feel like it's part of what san francisco should be. arguably the toughest justice on the supreme court is the oldest, ruth bader ginsburg. [ applause ] also known as the notorious rbg.
>> so there you go! you got it, when the president's saying it, it's huge. the tumbler blog, you got to write the book. with us now, the two people who did, the reporter and the creator of the notorious rbg tumbler, shawna, who got some pretty remarkable moves about eight hours ago. >> that's right. i found out about 12:15 last night that i passed the new york bar. >> that's big! congratulations! >> and on the day our book comes out. >> and you have a job at msnbc. >> that's correct. >> very good. >> talk about the book. this is to say unique. so when did you start your tumbler? >> i started the tumbler in the summer of 2013. it was late june, the week that all of the major decisions come out. it was specifically in response
to one -- in my case it was in response to a case in which the majority of the court struck down a major provision of the voting rights act and justice ginsburg wrote a pretty powerful dissent in that case. >> little did she know while she was toiling away on that case that she'd have a crown put on her head and be called notorious rbg. up spe you spent time interviewing her her, right? >> that's correct. shawna never thought that it would be a recurring spot on "saturday night live ". we wanted to show how much she's committed to gender equality and social justice for all. >> and also inspiring others.
there are many imitatorimitator. >> what are the mechanics of this? tumbler blog, it's now a book and all that. but the "saturday night live" aspect of it, what is it about ruth bader ginsburg that makes this so colorful, so relevant, so interesting? >> i think people are inspired by her. young women -- >> why so? >> are looking are looking for a voice, are standing up for things that matter most to young people. >> i think she has conducted herself with force and fierceness. she's spent her tire life fighting for women. there's a contrast between --
>> what does the spror justice herself think of this phenomenon? >> i think she likes it. she's a little taken aback but she enjoys it. >> she wants everyone to be engaged in the court. we also she works out in a notorious rbg t-shirt. >> no, she doesn't. >> yes, she does. and she gives them out as gifts. >> what initially attracted you to her? erp clerking in the federal court in manhattan? >> in philadelphia. >> you were a law student then. >> i was at la understood pent then so i had already known about her somewhat. i ended up and i just thought
there needs to be a place on the internet for celebrating this amazing person, who has gone through so much. the more you learn about justice ginsburg, the more you admire her. >> all right. the book is ". >> a big day. passing the bar and the book coming out the same day, that ain't bad. >> go play the lottery. >> yeah. more "morning joe" in just a moment. i'm meteorologist bill karins. it's an umbrella day all the way through the mid of the country.
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i mean, my whole life really has been a no and i fought through it. i have been -- you know, i talk about it. it's not been easy for me. it has not been easy for me. i started off in brooklyn. my father gave me a small loan of a million dollars. i came into manhattan and hi to pay him back with interest. >> what did you learn, mark halperin? >> i learned mr. trump took a class in polling at wharton. >> so the race is on. ben carson and donald trump are -- >> it will be interesting to see the next polls, if ben carson has surged in iowa. >> it will be more trgs to see if mike barnicle, if he surges in new hampshire, this still may be an iowa phenomenon. i'll be shocked if he surged in new hampshire. >> i will say this, i learned that donald trump, he's got to get into the solution business pretty quickly.
>> you mean like the guy with the box right there? ben carson? >> no. not here what's i'm going to do for you, you're going to love it. >> ben carson has got a box. and he's got a movie. >> he's got an iowa box. >> he's ahead in the latest poll. does that translate to wins in new hampshire, ohio, nevada. i don't think it does but you think i'm wrong, don't you? >> i think we'll see. >> stick around because "msnbc live" is coming up next. >> right now, the clash in colorado. the countdown is on to tomorrow's gop debate in
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