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whether by strikes from the air or direction action on the ground. >> nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski joins us now. so, mick, obviously, the question is what do they mean by direct action on the ground? >> reporter: to be clear, tamron, the secretary did not indicate that large numbers of u.s. ground forces would be permanently put into iraq to conduct combat operations. but he's talking about coming to the rescue, if you will, of any iraqi forces, kurdish forces or even sounds like they would commit to going, putting boots on the ground in syria temporarily to assist either kurdish or free syrian army ant anti-assad forces there in syria. there's no question that this operation that was conducted last weekend when dozens of delta force commandos accompanied kurdish fighter answer one of those americans was killed in that operation to rescue hostages from an isis
prison, there's no doubt according to officials here that was a combat operation. and when officials try to push back and say, none of this is new, then why did that operation specifically require an authorization from the secretary of defense? again, we're not talking about battalions or even companies of u.s. military on the ground in iraq. but we are talking about direct combat operations. the first time we have had that kind of public admission from anybody in the obama administration. >> absolutely. you make the point of master sergeant joshua wheeler, the commando killed in that isis raid and also seen an uptick in action regarding russia's presence in syria and the battle against isis. overall question, though, is, is the obama administration, is the department of defense admitting to some degree that the strategy
put in place is not working? >> reporter: well, clearly, the strategy has been at a stalemate for sometime. we have senior officials tell us that over the past four or five, six months. so something needs to be done. the question here is, if the u.s. goes to the iraqis, goes to the kurds, syrians, free syrian army people and says, look, if you need our help, we are there for you. is there a doubt in anybody's mind that the iraqis will say, hey, we can use your help here and there? it's up to the americans to decide if they do it but this does sound a commitment to commit u.s. combat forces at least for those specified missions and, again, there's no question that those forces over the weekend and what they're committing to today is ground combat. >> mick, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate the information. >> okay. >> we'll continue to follow that big breaking news. meanwhile, politics and a potential new front-runner in the republican presidential race. a day before the third gop
debate. a new national poll out just this morning from "the new york times" and cbs news shows dr. ben carson surging ahead of donald trump for the first time and now he's leading trump by four points in this national poll. this comes after four polls in the past four days showing carson ahead of trump in iowa which holds the first in the nation caucus or primary in february. on "morning joe" today, trump made cryptic remarks of issues that could affect carson's rise. >> ben carson is now doing well. and i think ben carson has a lot of problems with his record, if you look at his record, including going back in the past and, you know, those problems are going to start to come out. it's a maizing -- almost like in first place, it is like a cleansing action. some of it is very unfair cleansing but it really is like a cleansing action. a lot of things will come out now and we'll see how he holds
up to the scrutiny. >> ben carson, meantime, started a new offensive fighting back with ads in the first four caucus and primary states including this one. >> the political class and their pundit buddies are impossible. he's too outside the box. well, they do know impossible. impossible to balance the budget. impossible to get border security. impossible to put aside partisanship. i'm ben carson. i'm running for president. and i'm very much outside the box. there must be a good idea in there somewhere. >> cnbc's chief washington correspondent john harwood and writer for "the new york times" will be a moderator at tomorrow's debate on cnbc joining us live from the site of the debate, university of colorado in boulder. so, john, let's talk about how this new national poll with carson in the lead might affect some of the tone we see in the debate tomorrow. >> reporter: tamron, i think there's some electricity between the two podiums.
ben carson and donald trump next to each other in the center of the stage. you saw what happened when ben carson pulled ahead in the polls in iowa. donald trump went after him. wasn't a counter punch. he went after him because of those numbers and i think donald trump this is only one national poll showing this. but donald trump now has got some motivation showing on "morning joe" to raise the temperature of his exchanges with ben carson. >> well, but we have seen donald trump go after people and we know that he can be quiteletal with his word choice. he has not been that aggressive with ben carson. yes, he alluded to the religion but kind of hemmed and haued if you will around that. today with the cryptic there are some issues with ben carson, some things with his record. again, not specifically naming those issues. >> reporter: well, i think it's going to be really interesting to see what he comes up with like when he talks about issues and ben carson's ror.
he doesn't have a record in politics. but a record as a surgeon, an author. as a -- somebody served on corporate boards and that sort of thing. but what is donald trump going to reach for there? he talked about contradictions? what are those contradictions? i think we will have a lot to chew over in that debate. >> quickly, the debate obviously focusing in on technology. our money. you know? retirement. all of these things and it comes as ben carson at least specifics that donald trump pointed out regarding wanting to abolish medicare. >> reporter: ben carson is a very low key personality, very appealing personality in being that way. but he's got some pretty far reaching ideas. he thinks that you can replace medicare with a system of individual savings accounts where families would save for themselves with tax benefits by the government and running short, you know, one of your relatives could help you out to how americans are going to
process that thought, he told me when i interviewed him a couple of months, a no-brainer. they'll love it. that is ground that republicans haven't tested before and ben carson is just outside of the box enough to try to test it. >> we'll see if he e labl rates in the debate tomorrow. we wish you the best on it, john. thank you very much. let's bring in matt lewis, adolpho franco and susan delpursio. matt, your reaction to the first national poll showing carson in the lead? the timing actually very good for cnbc because it certainly will ignite some fireworks we believe in that debate tomorrow. >> absolutely. the iowa thing didn't surprise me. the national poll, carson leading in national polls is a big deal. donald trump leading for like 100 days. from my standpoint, i think this is good news. and it's great news for cnbc. i have to tell you. i mean, the dirty little secret
is we all want narratives, a story line out of every debate. the last time it was carly fiorina. it was her first debate. she obviously did great. it seems like the table's being set for a clash of trump and carson and that may be the headline. >> may be. adolfo, matt brings up carly fiorina and her great debate performance described by matt and others there and lingering at the bottom of the national polls. >> sure. >> while a great debate performance might have gotten her some buzz it didn't move her there. that said, ben carson asked about wanting to abolish medicare and he has to get specific about that plan, will some of the shine of this poll come off? >> well, i think a lot of the shine's going to come off. seeing the shine come off on donald trump and the shine will come off ben carson, as well. i find it humorous that donald trump talking about ben carson's past records as his is almost
identical on issues important to republican conservatives such as abortion and, of course, the medicare issues and others which donald trump held the same views but i take a little different tact. i think tomorrow's focus on governor bush. tomorrow is going to be a make it or break it in many ways for jeb bush. i am still convinced that the -- one of the conventional candidates and i mean establishment candidates, governor bush, senator rubio, governor kasich will be our party nominee. donald trump is fading and so will ben carson. so when tomorrow's debate takes place, i think governor bush is a lot of pressure on him to distinguish himself and to be not low energy as donald trump has said but a little bit electrifying and convince the voters he is the choice where i think it's very difficult for an establishment conservative or establishment conservative to win. >> adolfo, it's interesting, you know, we talk about the low energy. i think people describe ben
carson as low energy in many ways and he is leading in the polls. so is it just a smoke and mirror description to really to try to capture what's wrong with jbl's campaign in that it is not low energy? may be low inside, you have the bush family gathering this rescue jeb plan they have in place at this point. so is it really energy or is it just a convenient way of describing something that is difficult for us to understand at this point? >> yeah. that's right. it isn't an energy idea and recent politics looking to electrifying moments, ronald reagan had one in 1980. read my lips with george bush. i think people need to identify why we vote for this person and often looking far one liner or the distinguishing factor. i think i completely agree with you, it will be one of ideas. and that is why ultimately the republican party will not -- will nominate i think a figure with a track record, concrete
ideas and dr. carson and mr. trump entertaining figures with some type of talk outside of the conventional political arena and are not electable. i think most republicans will come to that conclusion in short order. >> susan, matt made the point it may not be a big surprise the evangelicals and are at this point supporting ben carson over donald trump. but the ad we played is also up as mentioned in four states including south carolina. here you have this whimsical music in the background. he is acting, you know, what's in the box? this whole kind of awe shucks kind of demeanor there but what do you expect to see from him tomorrow? >> to the point and the iowa poll, the other thing that's interesting is that for the first time carson picks up the support of men. he's winning men and women in that poll. he's always had a deficit with men to donald trump. the ad is an introductory ad and while everyone knows donald trump, not everyone knows ben carson. so i think it's actually a great
friendly ad to put up. leading in to the debate i think it's a very tough time for donald trump because i think he's going to put all his emphasis on ben carson and i think john kasich will go after him for the ford comments. i think jeb bush is going to be aggressive. >> ford comments, donald trump on "today" show took credit for ford opening a new truck plant here in the united states. ford coming out saying we made this decision in 2011. the story line is either imagined or invented in donald trump's head and ford challenged him on it. >> yeah. as they should. like saying donald trump says the sun comes up tomorrow because i said so. it doesn't happen because donald trump says so. i think he will have a lot of different attacks and look for chris christie to also jump on that bandwagon. >> a name we haven't talked about much. matt, quickly, the ground game in iowa so successful for ben carson, how does he then take that to other states to
capitalize? >> you know, i think that when it comes to the ground game, that's the big x factor. we don't know how the outsider candidates will going to do coming to actually the grassroots politics, the identifying your voters and turning them out. we're told that they have an infrastructure in place that donald trump has places in iowa and places like that. that's not to be underestimated. it's a surprise candidate. who would have thought that rick santorum at this point to win the iowa caucuses back in 2012? somebody that we're not talking about right now could emerge and i think that these candidates getting a lot of attention and buzz and pr attention like donald trump better make sure that they're doing the logistical spade work, as well. >> which is the case in iowa as it relates to ben carson. it seems by all descriptions and the money spent the other candidates in a sense left it wide open, you know, fertile ground for a man who's very open about his faith in a part of the
country that is quick to embrace that kind of a candidate. >> absolutely. absolutely. i think that that's a big key. not only is ben carson somebody who appeals, stylistically, temperamentally to evangelicals and donald trump was vulnerable there and he said he didn't ask god for forgiveness. this is a lagging indicator. i'm surprised trump did so well in iowa for so long. >> thank you all for joining us. you can watch the debate, your money, your vote tomorrow 5:00 p.m. eastern on cnbc. and still ahead, was a deadly police shooting recorded on a cell phone call? there is new information about the corey jones death investigation. coming up, i'll talk live with two reporters who uncovered the exclusive information. disturbing video shows a
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copy of the cell phone records. the friends and family had previously said he was waiting for a tow truck on the night of october 18th when officer raja approached in an unmarked car in plain clothes. however, police say jones who was legally armed confronted the officer who was investigating what he thought was an abandoned car. i'm joined now by the reporters who broke this story. lawrence mauer and dephani daret. you said the call lasted 53 minutes. >> yeah. so we have the phone call records so that he called at&t roadside assistance 6 times that morning. the last phone call being at 3:10 a.m. which is about 5 minutes before he was killed. and he apparently did not hang up. the phone records showed that that call lasted 53 minutes and so it -- because that at&t
roadside assistance line warns you it may be recorded, the incident might have been captured on an audio recording. in case of no kind of video so far, this could be critically evidence in this case. >> how long does it take to determine if the call was actually recorded? >> we don't know. we know that the at&t has been in touch with law enforcement. they have not told us if there is a recording yet or if so whether or not law enforcement has it. >> and have you received a comment from the law enforcement investigating this incident at this point? regarding the phone call. >> not yet, no. >> and daphne, you have been speaking with the family and you have been covering their really unhappiness and understandably so with what they see as a long delayed investigation and they're not receiving the information including the phone records that you've discussed in
this exclusive report. >> well, tamron, i think the thing that they are most upset about is that they haven't received his phone back an they haven't received any of the property back either. and there's a lot of questions that they still do have. and i've spoke with some family friends and lawrence and i were speaking with one of the family attorneys this morning and they feel like these phone records that were released sort of corroborate what they already know about their brother and friend and that is that he was a laid back guy. he was not at all frustrated that night. even though his car had broken down. and they think that he was just patiently waiting for a tow truck to come or waiting to get in touch with roadside assistance when officer raja approached him. >> police are not commenting on any potential recordings at this
moment. but very interesting report that you both have worked on and more details surely to come. thank you very much. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. the bernie sanders campaign fighting back against hillary clinton's new line of attacks implying that senator sanders is sexist. >> all the shouting in the world is not going to do what i would hope all of us want. >> sometimes when a woman speaks out, some people think it's shouting. >> we'll have the very latest on the back and forth and what sanders' chief strategist is saying now. that's next.
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welcome back. bernie sanders' campaign is fighting back against what's become a new line of attacks by hillary clinton implying sapders made a sexist comment in the debate. clinton taken issue with this remark sanders made after clinton attacked him for not being tough enough on guns during that first debate. >> as a senator from a rural state, what i can tell secretary clinton, all the shouting in the world is not going to do what i
would hope all of us want and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence that we are seeing. >> now, on multiple occasions this weekend clinton suggested that line had to do with her gender. >> i've been told to stop, and i quote, shouting about gun violence. first of all, i'm not shouting. it is just when women talk some people think we're shouting. i've been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. well, i haven't been shouting but sometimes when a woman speaks out, some people think it's shouting. but i won't be silenced. >> well, in a statement sanders chief strategist pushed back saying, quote, if they're going to have a campaign attacking bernie and gun safety and implies he engages in sexism
that's unacceptable. we have to talk about other things if they do that. sanders defended his line on cnn yesterday. >> what i was talking about very clearly is that all across this country, you got people shouting at each other. >> right. >> without -- >> suggesting you are saying she's shouting and that -- and that you -- when you hear a woman talking you think that they're shouting. >> yeah. well, what can i say? that's just not the case. >> msnbc's political reporter alex seitz-wald joins us now. you have people wondering why would hillary clinton and the team decide to attack bernie sanders this way? >> well, i mean, she is playing up her gender in a big way this race she hasn't in previous elections and clearly sees this as a way to drive a wedge between bernie sanders and his base. the guns issue. it's the one place where she can really get to the left of bernie
sanders. she can question this long line of consistency he's had and always been on the left side of every issue and if he is making concessions to the rural part of his state by being a little bit softer on guns, if he is not doing what he really believings on guns but, you know, what is necessary on guns, that kind of undermines his whole aura of being the most consistent and the most true progressive in the race so that's why you are seeing her go so hard on that. we'll see if this is a miscalculation on the clinton camp behalf and adding jend tore the mix and definitely getting under the sanders campaign skin and provoking a strong reaction and stepped up the war of words on clinton saturday night and the campaign basically saying that clinton started this, she made the first move bringing gender and this kind of subtle allegation into the discussion. >> she's played up the issue of gender more this time around. and saying that she's the outsider because she brings that female perspective.
also, to your point to distinguish herself with the issue of gun safety and bringing the two together i think is what's got this hot reaction. you have slates williams saying that hillary clinton is smearing bernie sanders as a sexist is ridiculous. the record is as good as hillary's. to your point, alex, that strongly worded reaction of the sanders team saying we can bring up other things very cryptic and ominous. >> right. i mean, part of this makes me wonder if it's an intentional effort to provoke an overreaction from sanders. this is a guy giving basically the same stump speech for 30 or 40 years and threw out the script and off the traditional message saturday night and i think a smart speech but if she's pushing him into unfamiliar territory, a place that he hasn't traditionally been, maybe that heightens the possibility for a mistake or an overreach of something to exploit.
>> interesting. thank you very much. now to your first read on politics this morning. congressional leaders and the white house have reached a bipart san budget agreement to ajert a government shutdown and extend the nation's debt limit for two years. politico calls it john boehner's parting gift to paul ryan but paul ryan is now blasting boehner for cutting the deal behind closed doors and with ben carson leading the first national poll, the pressure mounts on donald trump ahead of tomorrow's republican debate. joining us from colorado, the site of the big debate, senior political editor mark murray. let's play what paul ryan had to say about this deal. let's play it. >> i haven't even seen this agreement so i'm going to reserve judgment until i see something on paper. if you want to ask me what i think about the process, it stinks. under new management, we are not going to run the house this way. we should have been discussing this months ago as me believes for a more coherent strategy and
in the future we need a better process than the one working to do the people's business the right way. >> mark, your reaction to that? >> tamron, this is the process normally plays out on the type of deals and john boehner ended up saying that this process was very similar to the deal that paul ryan cut with democratic senator murray just two years ago forestalling a budget situation and so sometimes you have to work behind closed doors and only way to make things work and paul ryan promising things to be different, well, i heard house speaker john boehner make the promises in 2010 and time and time again they went behind closed doors and work with democrats to get things down. >> and the showdown hyped up. the first debate jeb bush versus donald trump. the second, carly fiorina and what she would do to donald trump and now you have a new front-runner according to the national poll and it's ben carson. let me just quickly play some of the enthusiasm floating around out there with voters directed at ben carson.
>> i just want to meet the man to help change america. >> just to see him in person is exciting to me. >> anything to do to support him. >> like the old days. >> what do you mean? >> when they actually got around people. >> ben carson for president. we love you! >> a glimpse of what ben carson is seeing on the book tours. >> yeah. tamron, you know, he's benefiting from the outsider appeal same as donald trump although ben carson being an outsider is a lot different. he's more mild mannered. not as in your face. certainly not as controversial at least explicitly. but yes. that poll, you know, and a lot of ways i think it is fascinating. donald trump's reaction. you kind of live by the polls and die by the polls and now we have seen not only in iowa where ben carson is now leading and our first national poll. you know, it will be interesting for a second and third national poll showing the same thing. and then force donald trump to respond because his normal opening act when he's been on the stump and the campaign trail
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placed on administrative leave during this investigation. the video shows the officer wrapping his arms around the student's neck, flipping her from her desk and dragging her across the classroom floor. the incident captured on cell phone by her classmates. the officer since identitied as ben fields, one of two officers assigned to that school. he's declined to comment on the pending investigation. meanwhile, the sheriff's office said monday evening that the student had been asked to leave the class several times but refused and at which time fields was called into the classroom to escort the student out. the richland school district is cooperating with the police investigation and released a statement saying student safety is and always will be the district's top priority. the district will not tolerate any actions that jeopardize the safety of our students. joining me live from by phone, hugh chairman. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for allowing me to
be here. >> your organization and other parents and some students in this district have said that this is an ongoing problem and this video, this incident illustrates what you've been concerned about for sometime. how would you describe the climate in the school district? >> the climate is especially following this video, it is importants are appalled, shocked. there's fear. there's concern amongst the students. i just can't really put words to the atmosphere that's surrounding all of this activity. >> have you been in contact be the sheriff's department personally? >> no, i have not. >> i know your organization released a statement saying as you pointed out parents are heartbroken as it's just another example of the intolerance that continues to be an issue in richland school district particularly with families and children of color. can you tell me more about
incidents of tolerance that you believe students have endured? >> just our name itself, just having to be formed richland two black parent association, people taken aback by sounding like a divisive name, why there's a need for a black parent association and black parents coming to us of concerns of expulsions, suspension and disciplinary measures taken in particular african-american males. and just students of color and most importantly african-american males and these are things that we brought to the table with the district, the school board. we sat down with them on several occasions. diplomatic, presenting to them what we thought were issues, we saw at the outset maybe just an a couple of parents but we have grown to over 5, 700 parents on the mailing list just involved,
wanting to be a part, having concer concerns. and it's just -- it goes from issues with accommodations, not being followed with regard to ieps and 504 plans to just overt disregard of these accommodations to the point of where we have an alternative school, alternative program, rather, that is all really populated by african-american males. >> let me point out, going back to this case that is being investigated, the officer ben fields, apparently had two legal incidents, 2013, named a defendant in the federal case claiming that he had unfairly and recklessly targets african-american students with allegations of gang membership and activity. that's ongoing. in 2007, sued for police brutality. he won the case. he also happens to be a coach of the school's varsity defensive line and banned from the school. what do you believe is the appropriate action next? >> i think the appropriate
action is for him to be released from employment. it shocked me when i first heard the story of the two other cases, again, we didn't know that. that was a revolution even to us that there were two other cases that he was involved in prior to this. my thought is if he was involved, okay, he won the first case. and the second case is pending. my thing is, if there's two cases that are similar in some way, shape or form of seeing today, why was he still on the job? >> we'll see what the investigation reveals. doctor hugh harmon, thank youing if your time. >> thank you.
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not the other way around. welcome back. the stage is set for game one of the world series tonight with new york mets on the road facing the kansas city royals. for the royals the series gives them a chance to get over the heartbreak of last year's series getting all the way to game seven only to fall short to the giants. as for the mets this is their first trip to the fall classic in 15 years.
but right now, they boast baseball's hottest hitter in daniel murphy homering in record six consecutive postseason games and both teams waiting if a championship. royals won world series in 1985. the mets, well, the last time championship team, 1986. joining me now, yahoo! sports writer and contributor jay busby by phone. what is your feeling here? >> my feeling is that the game, series could go any way you want it to. old saying in baseball about how great pitching beats great hitting and vice versa. we have two teams with really, really strong pitching staffs and can knock a ball out of the park. it is very, very tough to pick a winner and i think at least to six games, probably seven. >> oh, that will be good. daniel murphy, he is the man of the hour of the year if the mets can pull this off. in this town, anyway. >> the guy's out of control. i mean, anything that comes
anywhere near him he's hitting it into the atlantic ocean and going to be fun to watch how the royals pitchers manage to work around him. that's the only thing to do at this point. we have to see how the layoff of four or five days hurts him. the way he is playing, straight home runs in six straight games with home runs, he's untouchable. >> what's the critical thing to watch? >> the critical thing to watch will be the royals starting pitching. see how the royals start out against the mets hitters. if the royals are able to keep the mets close, they always have a chance to win at the end. the royals have a knack for coming back late in games so if they're able to stay close, anything cannin about four or five runs, they've got a shot. >> the emotional edge here, who does it go to? the royals? >> probably. both of these teams, obviously the royals have the game seven heartbreak last year but the mets didn't expect to be here as of the middle of the summer so this is a couple of teams coming in very different perspectives.
i think the royals have the momentum. >> jay, you are not here so you don't know i'm sitting here looking at a mets jersey the entire time because my stage director refuses to change his shirt, refuses to shave, refuses to bathe, just walking around like a zombie until the mets win. i'm held hostage by this man right now. thank you. >> i'm picking the mets in seven. hopefully that will work out. >> great. i can get rid of the fabreeze. thank you. >> thank you very much. tirurning to our popular series "born in the usa," today we throw the spotlight on a company that is redefining what it means to be made in america. the company, american giant, is getting a lot of attention for what seems like a simple product, shirts and sweatshirts, but they are being called, listen to this, the greatest hoodie ever made. they are so popular, at one point there was a four month
long waiting list. part of the popularity is due to the heavyweight cotton used to produce them, making them three times thicker than your average sweatshirt. from the material to the factories, the people who sew the clothes together, it's all completely american-made. a unique feat in the retail market these days. the company has been able to produce such high quality product by keeping production costs low through a groundbreaking business model. joining me, the ceo of american giant. good to see you. i saw the headline and it said the greatest sweatshirt ever made, and we said we have to get this guy on here. first, you got that title and what does that mean? >> it's always nice to hear that reflected back with something you put a lot of work into. i think more importantly, it shows that you can still do viable things domestically with u.s. manufacturing. that's the most exciting part about it. >> explain your business model. we saw the smiling faces on your employees there. to the point that's been made these days, if you look at any of your clothing, you are likely
not to see a made in america tag. >> right. the apparel industry has really been dialed around chasing the cheapest labor in the world for a long time, and that has always been the sort of determined wisdom about how you run that business but with the advent of e-commerce it opens up new possibilities around flipping the model and saying if we take advantage of some of the economics in the e-commerce model it doesn't block the ability to do something compelling with domestic manufacturing which is what we've done. >> the way you describe it is a very simple formula that works. the product, a very simple product that works. why do you believe other retailers, manufacturers of clothing, can't follow that model? >> part of it is that they're stuck in old business models. they are dependent on 800 stores that they have to support across the country. consumers are moving away from that. consumers are much more prone now to go to a website, shop directly from a brand. for the old apparel brands they really are stuck in an old system that it's very hard to get out of. for new e-commerce businesses, you can see innovative ways about deploying savings in ways that are more important to
customers. that's what we're trying to do. >> how do you describe the pride you see when you walk through the factory with your employees? >> it's a good feeling to feel that you're able to do something that is impacting communities. most of our stuff is coming out of north carolina and south carolina. that's a great feeling. i think it's equally compelling to know our customers are in partnership with us, that they're make a decision with their dollars. it's a nice thing. >> do your employees wear the sweatshirt to work? is it required attire? >> depends on the time of year. it gets pretty hot down there. when it gets colder, they do. >> of course i look at the sweatshirt and think mark zuckerberg, a lot of people you can definitely get in this sweatshirt who made their image and brand by the sweatshirt. >> we are california-based. it's the new working uniform there for sure. we like where we are. >> what's next for you? >> so the line continues to expand. we are into bottoms and tops and men's and women's and teeshirts. we are growing very very fast. we continue to try to keep this basic idea in place.
put out the product and let customers vote for themselves. >> did you ever imagine this basic plan would turn into such a huge success? >> i knew the customers were caring more and more about quality. it was that sort of basic idea that gave me a lot of faith in launching the business originally. i didn't think we would be as far along as we are. >> what are you most proud of right now as it relates to this company? >> proving that american manufacturing is viable at scale. >> these are great sweatshirts. thank you for giving me one. i have to admit i have one now. thank you. congratulations. congratulations to all of the workers in that factory putting this together and making sure it's made in the usa. that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." i'm tamron hall. here every day 11:00 a.m. eastern time here on msnbc. up next, "andrea mitchell reports."
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of a national poll. what does the billionaire have to say about polls now? >> well, i don't get it. you know, to be honest with you. ben carson is now doing well and i think ben carson has a lot of problems with his record and we'll see how he holds up to the scrutiny. done deal. for the first time in five years, the white house and congress agree on a way to avoid the fiscal cliff. clearing the decks for the next speaker of the house. >> i think this process stinks. under new management we are not going to run the house this way. >> no, i'm in full agreement. it stinks. this is not the way to run a railroad. and shocking video. a uniformed school officer body slams a high school girl, raising serious questions about what led to the confrontation and the use of force. we'll have the very latest from columbia, south carolina.
good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. donald trump returns to iowa today in an unfamiliar position, second place. >> i don't get it. i'm going there actually today and i have tremendous crowds and tremendous love in the room, and you know, we seem to have hit a chord but some of these polls coming out, i don't quite get it. i'm a little bit surprised. the other polls as you know in other states are extraordinary, actually. but this one, i don't quite get. i would have thought we were doing much better. i think we are doing much better, actually. >> trump is in second place, also in a new national poll, the first in more than three months, bringing a different dynamic to tomorrow night's big cnbc republican debate in colorado. joining me, chris cillizza and ann geurin. thank you for joining me. chris, let's talk about the polls. donald trump has been livingy