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. good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. this morning, house speaker john boehner hands over the gavel to paul ryan. speaker boehner is about to deliver his farewell remarks. and just before 10:00 there will be a roll call and then speaker boehner will announce the election of speaker-elect ryan
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and then at 11:20 the oath of office will be administered. speaker boehner tweeted out, i'll remember this well. let's go live to capitol hill and, luke, russert, we'll start with you. what can we expect with the resignation of speaker boehner? any change? >> taking a job right here after college and working his way up the ranks, paul ryan is promising to bring change not only to washington but the gop conference. look at how he sees himself
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leading. >> we are turning the page. we are not going to have a house that looks like it looked the last few years. we are going to move forward. we are going to unify. our party has lost its vision and we're going to replace it with a vision. >> a subtle jab at boehner right there, i think pointing to the fact that boehner had sort of governed from chaos to chaos over the last two years and that's what ryan wants to get away from. ironically, he'll be able to do that because of the gift that john boehner gave him yesterday that takes government shutdowns off the table and rid of the debt limit until 2017. what does ryan want to do specifically that will change things here? he wants to give more power to the committee members here. he wants to change the process so there's more power that can rise up from the bottom instead of the top-down.
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it's big for ryan, his entire family is here, his running mate mitt romney will be here as he cheers him on and gets the gavel. he went to mass this morning at st. peter's and he is -- from what we hear from his staff, he's excited and ready to go and we don't expect any tom foolery that some were worried about. >> let's talk about boehner and what we're expecting to hear from him today. >> this is the closing of the door from john boehner. after 25 years in congress, five years as speaker and with talking to people close to the speaker, they say that he will talk about in emotional terms, the fact that he has no regrets about this decision, he's quite at peace with it, still thinks of himself as a regular guy with a very big job. he will rich paul ryan well and talk about the future for this institution and also reflect on some of the things that he believes were accomplishments
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during his times here, including things like the d.c. opportunity scholarships, which is something that hasn't gotten a lot of media attention but it's been a passionate subject for john boehner, working to provide a voucher for students in the district of columbia to go to better schools of their parents' choosing and talk about strengthening ethics reforms and talking about things important to conservatives, steps along foreign policy, issues that relate to the abortion rights and conservative point of view, trying to restrict any advancements from that. for john boehner, it's a way to look back and begin a new future for him, one that he is quite at peace with as he leaves and gives the gavel to paul ryan. jose? >> kelly o'donnell and luke russert, thank you for being with me. i want to bring in congresswoman man debbie wasserman schultz. thank you for joining me.
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>> you, too, jose. thank you. >> paul ryan is going to be the next speaker elect. are you going to vote for him? >> i served on the budget committee for two years while paul ryan was chairman and although we don't agree on very much, i do hope that we can begin to move towards an era in which democrats and republicans can work together. thus far, the things that we've heard from paul ryan don't make it seem like that's likely. but we are going to continue to press to make sure that we can continue to create jobs, continue the 67 straight months of job growth. paul ryan starting off the bat saying that he won't take up comprehensive immigration reform until president obama isn't president anymore, that's sending the wrong message but one can remain hopeful. >> and let's talk a little bit more about the difference. you have worked on the budget committee with paul ryan. how is he different, for
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example, than speaker boehner? and how is his working style, do you think, different and why are you hopeful? >> i'm hopeful because you want to start out the beginning of any relationship and the tenure of any new speaker hopeful. i'm not going to just be a grump and say, forget it, there's no way we can work with this guy. i hope and i know all democrats hope that we can finally put aside the hastert rule which has been in place many years now where republicans in the majority will only governor and bring something to the floor with the majority of the majority. until speaker boehner 's tenure they get into hot water and decide they have no other choice but to work with democrats. i'm hoping we work with democrats right from the beginning working together side by side. look, paul ryan is the namesake of the ryan plan. the budget that ended medicare
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as we know it, that in medicare, it would have raised medicare premiums by $6,000 per fen fish rather. >> he's also the guy that worked with democrats to get something done in an environment where not getting anything done sometimes is what's applauded. >> yes, he did. and so that's why i say that i'm hopeful. but, you know, at the end of the day, democrats are not going to abandon what we know the american people want and that is for us to fight every day to make sure that they have an opportunity to reach the middle class. where is paul ryan on making sure that we can make college more affordable? is he going to bring legislation to the floor to ensure that student loans don't price people out of an education and hang them with debt for the rest of their natural born life. i mean, what about making sure
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that we can stop voting to try to take health care worker away from 17 million americans? he's clearly continuing the tradition recently of republicans trying to appeal the affordable care act. >> and then there's the issue, as you mentioned in the beginning of our conversation, about immigration reform. paul ryan behind the scenes did work with members of both republican and democrat to try to get some movement on immigration reform, which both sides agree is broken but neither side is willing to get to an agreement that both republicans and democrats could think is a good first step. so he has promised, in order to become speaker, that he won't take up the issue of immigration reform until the president is out of office but this is not exactly, you know, working towards something comprehensive that could benefit the country. >> look, you're absolutely right, jose. the bottom line is that just
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like the export/import vote, it had to be passed with over 300 votes. imagine how long that languished. we also know with comprehensive immigration reform, there's a bill that passed the united states senate two years ago now that we know would get a ma majority of the members of the house and paul ryan refused to take it up, refused to sit at the table and that's mostly because they don't want to alienate their right-wing tea party base and paul ryan would not most likely have gotten his votes to become the nominee if he had not ensured that he would bring that to the floor. there's 11 million undocumented immigrants who need certainty and want their families to remain together and where our economy needs to have that certainty. and the republicans -- >> as we speak, people are being deported, families are being
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separated. >> and republican candidates for president want to deport them all. >> debbie wasserman schultz, thank you. it's great to see you. >> thank you. thanks, jose. turning now to the 2016 campaign, it's a new day in the republican race for president. last night's debate, which miss wasserman schultz alluded to, focused on the economy with a few fireworks thrown in as some candidates took shots at each other. ears here's one of the exchanges. >> you should be showing up to work. i mean, literally, the senate, is it like a french work week? you get three days where you have to show up? >> i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position and someone convinced you that attacking me is going to help you. >> the collective target, last night was the media. candidates lashing out at the
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media for so-called gotcha questions. >> this is not a cage match. you look at the questions, donald trump, are you a comic book villain, ben carson, can you do math, john kasich, will you insult two people over here, marco rubio, why don't you resign? how about talking about the t substantive issues? >> let's get right to msnbc's chris jansing and hallie. good morning. >> good morning. >> was it a good night for rubio and so-so night for bush? how do you see things? >> reporter: i think it was both, jose. when you look at jeb bush, he had a lot of pressure to step up and show that he can be a fighter and shows that he has energy left in him as his campaign shows him trying to take it to new hampshire. he fell flat and wasn't able to nail it last night and that's a
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concern. even his campaign has acknowledged it was a tough night. his campaign saying there is a lot of race left, but there are concerns that the donors may be looking at marco rubio, a former floridian, he had a great night. very pleased with his performance last night and he was asked about that moment, the exchange between him and his one-time mentor jeb bush. he was asked about that on the "today" show. listen to what he had to say. >> i'm not going to talk bad about governor bush. i'm not running against him or anybody else. it's what he said last night, i'm running for president. it's an incredible honor to serve in the united states senate. i enjoyed it very much and we serve real people every day. >> reporter: so the question is will that translate into more voter support? we see that happening for marco rubio but the next debate is only two weeks away.
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it comes up much more quickly than the gap between this one and the next one. >> chris, our chuck todd was in the jeb bush spin room last night in colorado and said it felt like a wake. for all intents and purposes, bush and his campaign, are they on life support? >> reporter: jose, there's no doubt that it was a pivotal moment for jeb bush. a lot of them calling the definitive loser. there are people high up in the party or at least influential as tr strategists questioning whether he can go on. i sent an e-mail and said should he stay in the race and the answer i got is that's a decision for jeb bush and his family. having said that, bad night that it was, he still has a lot of money in the bank and his biggest supporters say they still believe it's going to be a widdling process.
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that as people fall away, the opportunity for jeb bush is still there among the establishment candidates. i should also say that it is his campaign that has set this up as a battle for the establishment candidates, between him and marco rubio, which is why he made the statement that he did last night about his lack of votes on the senate floor and if that's what it is, at least by last night's standards, the one who came out on top in terms of being the establishment candidate is marco rubio. >> chris jansing and hallie jackson, thank you for joining me. >> thanks. after the break, a search and rescue of hundreds of migrants when their boats sink off a greek island. back live to capitol hill where we are seeing outgoing speaker john boehner giving his farewell address. he'll do that in the next hour before electing the next speaker congressman paul ryan. we'll be back with that and a lot more here on msnbc.
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a dramatic and heartbreaking scene off the coast of greece. authorities searching for dozens of migrants after the boat they were in sank. they were part of a wave of hundreds of thousands of people trying to escape to europe. this incident alone, the greek coast guard says, 242 people were pulled from the water by officials and volume lnteers. more than three dozen are still missing or dead. richard engel is joining us from istanbul. what's the latest on this tragedy? >> reporter: well, in the last 24 hours or so, five ships have been either in distress or sank while they were trying to get to greece. they are presumed to have all left from turkey and the ships
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were spotted by coast guard fishermen, volunteers and about 450 people have been rescued, pulled from the waters. so far, we know of seven who died. the biggest incident was the one you just mentioned with 240 people rescued from a single ship and 7 people confirmed dead. more than 30 are presumed to be missing. but frankly, we really don't know how many people are missing. the ships don't have manifests. they are operated by smugglers and they cram in as many people as possible. in fact, there are reports, because the weather has started to get bad, that these refugees were being charged even more than the normally extortionate rate that they are making this crossing because the weather was so bad. we have not seen an end to this and it is becoming more and more dangerous. the weather has changed in the mediterranean. winter is certainly setting in.
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that means higher winds and wave and stronger currents. it's actually forcing the smugglers to change their tactics a bit and that's why we're seeing the numbers go up there. they are using bigger boats. in the past, they used small dinghies and now they can't make the journey. so they are using bigger, wooden fishing boats and when they run into trouble, it means more people on board. >> richard, we may never know how many people just disappear at sea. we just may never know that. >> reporter: well, in the past -- and it evolves. every month there's a different character to this migration story. for a while they were trying to cross through while turkey by land. then they were using small dinghies. now the seas are up so they are using somewhat larger fishing boats. in this case, it was a wooden fishing boat with the 240 people rescued. but these are not announced. nobody knows exactly how many
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course out of hell. >> delaware democratic senator chris coons, pleasure to see you again. >> thank you. >> do you think we can get any closer to ending the civil war there? >> jose, we have to choose to be o optimistic for a conflict that has led to the humanitarian crisis which you were just covering. we've got hundreds of thousands of desperate refugees flooding into europe and millions of syrian refugees significantly burdening our regional allies of turkey and jordan and threatening the stability of lebanon. now that they have decided not to let assad fall militarily, there is not a clear or military path out of this by supporting the syrian opposition. i think secretary kerry's serious effort and multiparty
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diplomacy is the best option we have. >> who has been supporting the opposition there in syria and what opposition has been getting support and has anything come of it? >> what has come of it in the first two years of the conflict was significant process against assad. if it hadn't been for iranian money and troops and iranian support, i think assad likely would have fallen by now. our allies in the gulf, qataris and emirates and turks fighting against assad, a number were more extreme than we were willing to support and has been well and widely covered, our train and equip mission, which i don't think was ever fully supported, has not come to much. there is relatively little left. what opposition there is has become more and
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more radicalized. assad's brutality is the cause of the rise of isis. >> and senator, i want to turn to politics. i know you previously said you would support joe biden for president. now that he's out of the race, are you going to endorse hillary clinton now? >> i'm looking forward to having that conversation. i've spent the last week reflecting on my own disappointment that joe is not running. the vice president would have made a tremendous candidate and a great president and i'm inclined to but i'm waiting until sometime in the next few weeks to make a decision and make a public announcement. >> what would that week buy you time to do? >> have some time to reflect on her policy positions, my current colleague, senator sanders, is also in the race. i've known secretary clinton for a long time. we've traveled together, i've worked together, wife been impressed with her record of
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and good day. brian williams here with you in new york. we'll be going to washington in just auto momen just a moment. this comes along not very often in american history. we say farewell to a house speaker and welcome a new house speaker by way of election of congress. john boehner's farewell address coming up in about ten minutes from the well of the house and there you see the incoming house speaker of the election goes, as has been promised, mr. ryan of
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wisconsin getting the greetings of some other members. family members are in the gallery. they are all set. our correspondents and analysts are all set. starting with kelly o'donnell. what are your thoughts about this transfer of power among republicans? >> reporter: well, brian, it's not only unusual to see a change of speaker but one during the middle of a session, not at the end of a fully elec election, t hasn't happened in a long time. some of the issues which brought about the change of speaker are re. >> reflected in the division of the republican party but for john boehner this is a way to cap a long career, 25 years in congress, five as speaker and after talking to him and talking to close aides, he'll make it clear today he goes out the door with a sense of peace about this decision, no regrets and gratitude. he'll spell a lot of that out in his farewell. he'll talk about paul ryan being
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the right man for this moment and thank the people of ohio. he represents that district there and has sent a letter to governor john kasich as well as paul ryan in terms of his resignation of his house seat, which will be a vacancy in the house and he'll talk about the things that he's been able to accomplish during his time in congress. some of that is in the conservative laying when it comes to issues like foreign policy and anti-abortion rights and then more personal to john boehner, something called the d.c. opportunity scholarships which is something that he has devoted a lot of his private time and hasn't gotten attention to trying to get scholarship money for children in the district of columbia so their parents can choose a school that might be better than the one in their neighborhood. that's something that makes john boehner very emotional, expect the tears to flow today. we talked about that, you and i before, and i expect we see
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tears today. he will walk out in peace and then he tells us he'll be back in washington from time to time and in what role we don't yet know. this is a very big day for his career and when you think about how everyone feels about their own careers, leaving can be tough and for john boehner, he's a real institutionalist about the house so this is day of ceremony and transition and sort of personal reflection. i expect all of that to flow out in his farewell. brian? >> speaking of emotions, kelly, just as you started talking, someone handed the outgoing speaker a box of kleenex which he put on the lectern. i also imagine you're right, he will turn to them during his address, perhaps during the very
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first part of his address. luke russert is standing by with us. in plain english, why is boehner leaving and what has changed around him since he's been in congress? >> well, interestingly enough, brian, john boehner has had to deal with a conservative flank in his conference. it's been very angry at him and said he hasn't done enough for the konconservative cause. he's always been puzzled why the pitchforks come out for him but he harkens back to an older legislation. he says he likes to get things done like the budget deal passed yesterday which will give paul ryan, his successor, peace avoiding what could avoid the most treacherous path for ryan. boehner is somebody who at age 65 has sort of outlived where the house gop has gone as a party. they have gone much further to
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the right. they want to see much more confrontation with the white house. almost in the frame of what ted cruz does over on the senate side and came to a point where he no longer felt he could governor the conference on a day to day, meaning that there's a risk, a motion to vacate the chair, where members could unify on the house floor, 218 of his conference to save him. he didn't know he had those votes. 40, 50 or so could lead. he thought it was time. i will say, after covering him throughout his time as speaker, he really has the unique story that's only possible in america. he came from very humble beginning, one of 12 children. he's at the pinnacle of his career today. >> let's listen in. >> mr. speaker, i rise to tell you that i will resign upon the election of my successor. i'll resign as the representative from ohio's
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eighth district at the end of this month. i leave with no regrets, no burdens. if anything, i leave the way i started. i'm just a regular guy, humbled by the chance to do a big job. that's what i'm most proud of. i'm still just me. the same guy who came here 25 years ago as a small businessman and spent all these 25 years trying to just be me. sometimes my staff thought i was too much like me but it really is the thing i'm most proud of, the same regular guy who came here to do a good job for my district, for my country. before i go, i want to express what an honor it has been to serve with all of you. the people's house is, in my view, the great embodiment of the american dream.
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everybody here comes from somewhere and everybody here is on some mission. i come from a part of the world where we're used to working as far back as i can remember, i was working. my staff was asking me the other day, on november 1st, you're not going to have a job. when was the last time you didn't have a job? i thought about it and thought about it and thought about it. i thought, well, hi to be 8 or 9 years old because i was throwing newspapers back then and working in my dad's bar. i used to work from 5:00 a.m. saturday morning until 2:00 p.m. for $2. not $2 an hour. $2. i never thought about growing up as the easy way or the hard way. it was just the cincinnati way. and you know, our city, it takes its name from a great general, he answered the call of his nation to lead and then surrendered his power to go back
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to his plow. for me, it wasn't a farm. it was a small business. and it wasn't so much a calling as it was a mission, a mission to strive for a more accountable federal government here in washington. how did we do? here are some facts. for the first time in nearly 20 years, we've made real entitlement reforms saving trillions of dollars over the long term. we've protected 99% of the american people from an increase in our taxes. we're on track to save taxpayers $2.1 trillion over the next ten years, the most significant spending reductions in modern times. we've banned earmarks altogether. sorry. we've protected this institution, made it more open to the people. and every day in this capital city, there are hundreds of kids
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from the toughest neighborhoods who are fiblgly getting a chance at a decent education. [ applause ] i'm proud of these things. but the mission is not complete. but the truth is, it may never be. one thing i came to realize over the years that i've been here is that this battle over the size and scope and cost of our government in washington has been going on for more than 200 years. and the forces of the status quo to prevent change from happening, real change takes time. yes, freedom makes all things possible but patience is what makes all things real. so believe in the long, slow struggle. believe in this country's ability to meet our challenges
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and to lead the world and remember you can't do a big job alone, thez one. so i'm grateful to my family. my two girls were 3 and 1 when i first ran for office. now they are a lot older. so they've been through a lot. you all know what your families go through. it's one thing for us to take the bricks and the boards and everything that gets thrown at us but another thing for our families. their skin isn't as thick as ours. i'm also grateful to all of my colleagues, my fellow leaders, mr. mccarthy and mr. scalise, mr. rogers many on my side of the aisle, our committee chairs, people i've worked with for a long time but i'm just as grateful to mrs. pelosi and others for all of the work that we've done together. in these last five years, we've
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gotten more work done in the last five years than in the 25 years i've served in this institution. now, as much as i enjoy, working with all of you, some of you still need to learn to dress better. you know who you are. [ applause ] and i saw one of the culprits, one of the usual suspects that shows up here once in a while without a tie but this morning he wasn't dressed very well but he did have a tie on. i'm grateful to the people who work in this institution every day. whether it's the clerks or -- [ applause ]
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you know, there are a lot of people, thousands of people that allow us to do our jobs and to help make this institution what it is. and whether it's the people you see here today or the people in the caos office or the capitol police or council, there are thousands of people that really do allow us to do our job. i'm grateful to my staff. now, you all know i'm a big believer in staff. none of us can be what we are without the good staff and i certainly would never have gotten to this job without having built a great team. so i really have grateful to my staff as they like to say to each other, wants you're part of
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boehner land, year always part of boehner land and that certainly goes for me as well. i'm especially grateful to all of my constituents and volunteers over the years. that include as student at miami university in oxford, ohio, in 1990. he was putting up campaign signs for me. his name was paul ryan. there's a difference between being asked to do something and being called to do something. paul was being called, i know he'll serve with grace and dignity and i wish him and his family all the best. [ applause ]
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i describe my life as a chase for the american dream. that chase began at the bottom of the hill to the main drag in ohio outside of cincinnati. the top of the hill was a small house with a big family, a shiny city in its own right. the hill had twists and turns and even a few tears. nothing wrong with that. but let me tell you, it was just perfect. i'll never forget, we're the luckiest people on earth. in america, you can do anything that you're willing to work for, willing to work hard at and things -- anything can happen if you're willing to make the necessary sacrifices in life. if you falter, and you will, you can just pick yourself up, dust
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yourself off and go do it again. because hope always springs eternal. and if you just do the right things for the right reasons, good things will happen. and this, too, can really happen to you. god bless you. may god bless our great country. [ applause ] [ applause ] >> a humbled john boehner, as we
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have mentioned, an emotional guy who is kind of in on the joke and has embraced it over the years, nicolle wallace is among our analysts who is sitting here watching this and you're nodding up and down. >> and i'm about to cry. i think i'm a sympathetic crier. but this man is beloved and this man knew what great men like tip o'neil and ted kennedy and john mccain and others who have gone to washington to do when he said today to governor, to legislate, no. but you have to reach across the aisle, you have to talk to your friends in the media and you have to be part of the institution. to love it is to be part of it, to be part of the institution and he was. >> and now to the business of this session. >> the chair recognizes miss
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mcmorris rogers. >> mr. speaker, today in the people's house, it gives me great honor to nominate the people's speaker. you don't need to look any further than the architecture of washington, d.c., to see what our founders envisioned. it's not by mistake that the dome over the congress is the very center of the federal city. the white house and supreme court are said about us, expressed in this legislative body and in the house we are eager for a fresh start that will make us more effective to fulfill our obligation to reflect the will of the people and to re-establish the balance of power and there's no better person to lead us in that
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calling than the man i'm about to nominate. he was first elected to the house at the ripe old age of 28 and he's served here now for almost 17 years. we all remember when he led the house budget committee, the visionary proposals, the lengthy debates and who could forget those power points? he's now the chairman of the house ways and means committee but he's more than a chairman to us. he's more than a colleague. he's our friend. he's a leader. and through it all, he's never forgotten his roots. he lives on the same block he grew up in janesville, wisconsin. there's no place he'd rather be than at home with his family. he'll continue to put the people of this country first and i can say, in all candor, he did not seek this office. the office sought him. as chair of the house republican conference, i am directed by a vote of that conference to present for election to the office of speaker for the house of representatives for the 114th
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congress, the representative from the state of wisconsin, the man from janesville, the honorable paul d. ryan. [ applause ] >> the chair now recognizes the gentleman from california, mr. becera. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i offer my congratulations to my friend, the gentleman from wisconsin, mr. ryan, on his nomination by his colleagues.
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and at this time as chairman of the democratic caucus of this house, i will to place in nomination the name of a proven leader for the office of speaker of the house of representatives. a leader who has accomplished in this chamber and for this country what few can match. a leader who as speaker of this house secured passage of landmark economic recovery package legislation in 2009, which transformed a diving economy, losing 800,000 jobs each month to one which has now created more than 13 million jobs over the last 67 consecutive months of job growth. [ applause ] a leader who as speaker accomplished what 70 years of congresses could not, enactment of our life-saving health security law which has put 18 million more americans in
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control of their and their children's health care. [ applause ] a leader who had the foresight in 2008 to fight for the biggest investment in our troops since world war ii with the passage of the post-9/11 g.i. bill and the largest investment in our veterans' health care and benefits in the 77-year history of the va. [ applause ] a leader who is not afraid to take on the challenge of fixing our broken immigration system and secured passage of the dream act in 2010. mr. speaker, leadership is about making the tough choices and getting things done.
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it means knowing how to build a majority, not just with the members of your own political party, but with the 435 elected members of the house of representatives so we can get things done. this leader understands that and knows how to get things done. even while serving in the minority in this house. that's why less than 24 hours ago, this leader succeeded in breaking through the gridlock in this house and secured the votes needed to avert a senseless government shutdown and a perilless default on the payment of america's bills. [ applause ] thanks to this leader, 16.5 million seniors will not suffer a $55 per month increase in their medicare premiums and congress will not cut the social security benefits of 11 million disabled by 20%.
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mr. speaker, that's leadership and that's what americans expect from those they elect. that is why it is my privilege as chairman of the house democratic caucus and as directed by the colleagues of the democratic caucus, i nominate for election to the office of speaker of the house of representatives from the 12th district of the great state of california, the honorable nancy patricia delasandro pelosi. [ applause ] >> the names of the honorable paul d. ryan, a representative from the state of wisconsin and the honorable nancy pelosi, a
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representative from the state of california have been placed in nomination. are there further nominations? there being no further nominations, the chair appoints the following tellers. the gentleman from michigan, miss miller. the gentleman from pennsylvania, mr. brady. the gentlemenwoman from ohio, the gentlewoman from florida. the tellers will come forward and take their seats at the desk in front of the speaker. >> kelly o'donnell remains with us from capitol hill. kelly, people watching would be forgiven for thinking, well, this will be interesting. this could really be a horse race. of course the conclusion, if the whips have done their job and if majority and minority nose counts come out correctly is
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foregone. we will see paul ryan of the majority elected speaker and nancy pelosi re-elected as minority leader. >> nancy pelosi will probably get 188 democratic votes, brian. this is part of the tradition where each party gets to nominate their own choice to be speaker and it really falls to the way the general public voters around the country have decided this. republicans have 247 votes, so it makes their nominee the pretty much odds-on favorite, to understate that. the real question about paul ryan's election today is how many votes will he get. also, viewers should not be surprised if there are a handful of votes for sort of surprise candidates. i think the last time we did this after a normal official election, i recall a vote for colin powell, i recall a vote for alan west, who is no longer in congress. you might get a couple of names out of the ordinary. that's allowed under the rules and i guess individual members
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for their own reasons either surprise us or have some note they want to send with that. but this will play out over time. they will announce all of the members, 435 alba fphabeticalla. some will stand up and others will quietly vote from their seats. this takes a little while, brian, but the outcome at this point is presumed, especially because daniel webster of florida, who was the favorite of many conservatives in that small subset within the house republican conference, he had gotten a number of votes in the private secret ballot yesterday where the party chose paul ryan. then as we expected, he told colleagues don't nominate me. so he may get some votes on the floor today, but don't put my name is nomination. this is sort of the two-step process where house republicans want to look more unified today, whereas yesterday those most conservative members wanted to show that daniel webster was really their choice, not paul ryan. and so i think a big test for
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ryan going forward will be with those members having succeeded in pushing out boehner and to some extent kevin mccarthy, the original expected speaker, will they now turn a page with ryan and be more open to working with him or will they remain as resistant point by point on the things that come forward. it's hard to imagine a 180-turn, but maybe there can be a period where ryan can get some things done, especially with these big issues of government shutdown off the table and debt ceiling crisis off the table, because the house passed this two-year budget plan. still working its way through the senate, but the house got through it and did it with democratic votes, not republicans, to get it across the line. >> chris cillizza of "the washington post" is also part of our coverage. i'm told he's no longer part of our coverage. kelly, back to you for a second. what is going to change about the job of speaker? the travel schedule alone, and
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this is up to the style of the speaker and just how many fund-raisers you want to take on. if you wish when you're not on the floor of the house, not engaged in house business, you can be traveling at every other moment. you can hit four, five, six, seven fund-raisers for members who need your help, need a marquee name. paul ryan has said with young kids at home and with home being as important to him as it is there in janesville, wisconsin, that he wants to restructure the job, that he's not going to be that kind of speaker. will he be successful? >> to a degree he will be. he is saying that he won't skip every high-profile fund-raising event, but he wants to change the nature of the job. in john boehner we have a man who has two grown daughters, now a grandfather. he didn't have the same at-home responsibilities, so he spent three weekends a month traveling around the country. again, this is something that didn't get much public
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attention, media attention, because when you're the speaker of the house, you're the biggest name to try to raise money for your party's candidates. we saw a lot of that in the boehner years. when nancy pelosi was speaker, she is a rain maker, one of the most pro digous fund-raiser for democrats. she at a different stage of life, a grandmother. paul ryan is one of the youngest speakers at age 45. he represents a new generation, wants to be a very involved father. not only for the obvious reasons that any dad wants to do that, but in his own life lost his father very early on, and so he wants to be an active father. and when we've talked about this issue, some people have said to me, well, but he ran for vice president. he would have to be away from his father then -- or his children then, and we talked about that at the time and he said a couple of things. the race for vice president was a few months sprint, once chosen to election day. his three children were able to go with him quite a bit.
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the difference if you're vice president, you must move to the naval observatory and live there here in washington, d.c., whereas for members of congress, especially in this current moment, so many republican members don't bring their families to washington. paul ryan has been one of those who slept on the couch in his office. and it is a different sort of cultural day in congress. it used to be that members would bring their families and they'd get to know each other. so for ryan, he wants to be able to still be the guy who goes home to janesville, now with a security detail, but he will work out that fund-raising schedule differently, brian. that will be interesting to see how the party makes up for that. who else they'll call upon. brian. >> of course as he has said during packers season he has to be ready and set in front of the television. the historian and author michael beshlosh is part of our team this morning. michael, i always ask you about the changes over the years that strike you, looking at an event like this this morning, what's
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on your mind? >> you were talking earlier, brian, about the horse race that's not going to happen this morning but that did happen quite a bit in early american history. you go back to 1856. they were arguing over a speaker, a ballot like this. it went for two months, 133 ballots until they chose one nathaniel banks of massachusetts, a republican. the issue with slavery, the house was so divided that it took that long to get to a consens consensus. in recent years it's been one ballot. last time there were multiple ballots was, i think, 1923, a guy named frederick gillette, another massachusetts republican. the issue then was something that sort of echos what we're seeing today. there were a lot of members of congress worried about a speaker who might be too powerful, like the old joe cannon, so they chose gillette in nine ballots and he didn't drink coffee because he was worried it might keep him awake all day. >> michael, let's talk about the
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republican party, the migration of the republican party, the migration of ideology since the time of, to name a prominent house republican, bob michael, who represented the kind of mainstream viewpoint of so much of his side of the aisle, who worked with his friend and part-time enemy, tip o'neill. we have come such a long way in so few years, really, since then. >> sure. that was just 1994 when the speakership, at least the leadership of the republican party went to the new speaker, newt gingrich. in gingrich's argument, that was one of the big moments in house history and congressional history. no longer should republicans have a leader like bob michael who gets to have that job because he's so good at working across the aisle and making deals with democrats. make me speaker and i will hold the line and get other republicans to hold the line and we'll really have a lot of confrontation, and that has been
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almost the rule for the last 20 years. >> steve kornacki is with us as well. as we look at this day and those just joining us, this is the one-by-one vote of members of the house, both parties, that all sides anticipate will result in the election of paul ryan as the new speaker. steve, let's talk more about the new construction of this job under speaker ryan. >> well, yeah. obviously the most important thing that happened for paul ryan happened before he took the job, and that's yesterday. it's the house passing this budget deal that takes the threat of a default and government shutdown off the table. that is what drove john boehner out. it was having to deal with that time and again, every time one of these deadlines came up, the house freedom caucus would say, well, we will give you -- we will only keep the government open if you give us x, and x was some demand that he could not meet. he got tired of that. he also got tired of the threat
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of we keep talking about the motion to vacate the chair. so that threat is all off the table through the 2016 election for paul ryan. it's very interesting, he's going to have opportunities there that john boehner never had. the other thing that i'm thinking of, though, it's interesting, you're mentioning in talking about the history of bob michael and newt gingrich and john boehner, the story of john boehner in his congressional career is the story of the evolution of the modern republican party. he was the troublemaker when he started. a generation ago in 1990, it was john boehner was part of a group with newt gingrich that said the republican leadership is too cozy with democrats. they are too comfortable being in the minority and it had been 40 years since republicans had controlled the congress. so john boehner one of the first things he did in congress was bring attention to what they called the rubber check scandal back in 1992. house members had their own bank and checked cash checks and bounce checks without having to pay fees. huge impairment for the whole institution but this was part of the boehner rise in the 1990s
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and boehner became part of leadership in '94 when gingrich became speaker. fast forward a generation later, the guy who was the troublemaker in the early 1990s is undone by a new generation of troublemakers so the bar has kind of changed in what constitutes a troublemaker. but it's interesting, we talk about all the trouble that john boehner had from the party base, from the rabble-rousers, he was the rabble-rouser when he started out. >> nicolle wallace, john boehner put another way has been underestimated most of his professional life. when people want to attack him with praise, especially the conservative part of the party, they call him a chamber of commerce republican from ohio, a country club republican from ohio. and yet he was able to cobble together this leadership career, starting as that back bencher rabble-rouser and now as a senior member of the house going out with great affection, despite the conservative forces
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that are happy to see this day come. >> you're exactly right. and he -- i said once on conservative radio, he deserves a medal of freedom. this guy is a hero, because at the center of all of these political storms that he faced, he described, he never wavered. his commitment was to the institution. the other book-end to his accomplishments is that he never became anything other than a regular guy. and, you know, i know you covered the pope's visit. i really think there was something about being face-to-face with the pope that just transcended all of the baloney that happens in washington that told him this was the moment. and i think the fact that we landed on paul ryan, if the republicans are able to be successful in congress, it will be because of the grace with which boehner exited and the strength that paul ryan has as he takes this new job. but boehner deserves a lot of credit, has always been underestimated. >> and boehner in his closing days really has taken some great steps to clear the way, to make
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sure this passage of paul ryan from ways and means chairman to speaker, both powerful posts, will go with as few glitches as can be possible. >> yeah. you're talking about the budget deal that just got done. he took all the blame, he took all the shrapnel. he did almost in a paternal manner, almost like a father taking the last bullet so that his son has more success. and it's really -- it's a proud day to be a republican. i'm happy to see the good guys getting in line and serving. we hear a lot about the bomb throwers in the republican party, but we have a lot of affection for troublemakers, we just want them to be troublemakers that are committed to governing. john boehner was and paul ryan is. >> chris cillizza back with us of "the washington post" has been watching what we've been watching. chris, let's talk about again the job of speaker and what paul ryan hopes to do to that job, especially where it cuts into
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life. >> well, look, brian, there are 247 members of the republican majority. there will be 246 when john boehner resigns. that's one of their largest governing coalitions in a very long time. the problem is, and this has been the problem since they returned to the majority in 2010 is that there's 30 or so people that will not be on board on almost anything that the lordship wanlord -- leadership wants. paul ryan is the only person in those 247 that could get 218 republican votes, as he's on the way to doing right now. when i dialed in just now, there had been two votes for dan webster. every other republican for him. john boehner couldn't get those votes. i think his resignation did have to do with his time spent with the pope, but also had to do with political reality, which was it was not going to get better for him. i don't even think john boehner in his most optimistic days
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thought paul ryan would be the guy to step in as speaker. this is by far their best option, much better than kevin mccarthy. so a lot of sausage-making to get to this point for republicans, but this is a very good outcome for them, though a very uncertain future, even with ryan in the leadership. >> well, to that uncertain future, chris, in congress the job of whip is both a noun and a verb. what can paul ryan hope for in terms of discipline, keeping people in line. if you're correct, and you are, about the size of that potential breakaway chunk. >> he has -- gosh, i want to say this most accurately. he has the best chance of anyone they could have put into the speakership to do that. that does not mean that he has a good chance to do that, brian. i think that's important. republicans deserve credit for convincing ryan, and ryan
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deserves credit for stepping forward. there is no one else. if he had not done this, it would have been weeks and weeks and weeks, because frankly there just isn't a republican out there other than paul ryan, not kevin mccarthy, not steve scalise, the whip, certainly not john boehner who is resigning, who could get 218 republicans to say yes, i want him to be speaker. that said, this vote in some ways is the easiest vote for paul ryan to get a majority of the majority on. there's not all that much to it. most people, you saw this 40-plus people voted for dan webster in the internal republican vote last evening. most people can say, look, i voiced my opposition but in the end the choice between paul ryan and nancy pelosi, i'm for paul ryan. what about in the future other conflicts on immigration, on energy, things that come up, those policy fights are going to be a lot harder for him. you're right, though, john boehner played the bad cop here to paul ryan's good cop master
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fully. two years worth of no sort of fiscal things hanging over their head, so it's the best possible set of circumstances. that does not mean paul ryan is destined for success, simply because if past his prologue we'll have that rump group who will not be happy with anything leadership puts forward, and that includes leadership led by paul ryan. >> chris, thanks. there are 435 members of the house. in this process each one rises and says outloud the name of their choice to lead the house. it is time consuming. we're going to take a break and when the vote narrows in toward its conclusion, the expected conclusion, the election of the new speaker, paul ryan, we'll be back with you but our live continuing coverage will continue after this. at one point, did not work. you had some blocks and you had major thoroughfares and corridors
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let's get you up to speed now on what was a raucous night in the rockies. here's what you need to know from last night's republican debate in colorado. >> we have isis and al qaeda attacking us and we're talking about fantasy football? can we stop? can we just stop? seriously. >> after the last debate i was told that i didn't smile enough. >> when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term and you should be showing up to work. >> someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you. >> how about talking about the substantive issues people care about. >> i love donald trump, he is a good man. i'm wearing a trump tie tonight. get over that one. >> i'm the only one on this stage that has a plan that would create jobs, cut taxes, balance the budget and can get it done because i'm realistic. >> this is the man that was a managing general partner at
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lehman brothers when it went down the tubes and almost took every one of us with us. >> we have 645 federal agencies and subagencies. anybody who tells me that we need every penny in every one of those is in a fantasy world. >> liberty thrives when government is small. i want a government so small i can barely see it. >> i'm tired of losing. good god, look who we're running against. if we don't beat these people, who the hell are we going to beat? >> let's get right to nbc's chris jansing and hallie jackson. chris, let me start with you. the moment many people are talking about is the bush/rubio conflict. it seems like the points made by bush fell flat. >> this is a very bad morning for the bush campaign, no doubt about it. arguably he had the most pressure on him. there was that big meeting with the family in houston.
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they had many major donors there, many of the supporters. they were going to reboot. they did this big powerpoint presentation. they wanted to see him come out last night, they wanted to see him as a fighter, as looking presidential. it didn't happen. marco rubio was able to get the best of him. so the real question this morning is, is this the beginning of the end for him? the headlines have been bad, there are long-time supporters who are suggesting that he needs to think about whether or not he can stay in this race, or is it, and we've seen this with past presidential campaigns including john mccain's, is it a point at which he hits the bottom and then figures out a way to rebound. it's a very big road for him to travel if he's going to do that. some tough decisions are going to have to be made inside that campaign about how they move forward going on, jose. >> so hallie, if that's the discussion in the bush campaign, what are the positive discussions going on in other campaigns? >> two campaigns that are waking up today feeling really good
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about how last night went. the first, marco rubio. governor bush had been signaling that attack against rubio for a while now and rubio clearly came to the stage very well prepared for it, able to show that something that has the possible to dog him if he makes it into a general election, that he knows how to fight back against that. and putting to rest some of the speculation this week from that "sun sentinel" editorial asking him to resign, from that "washington post" piece saying rubio hates his job, showing that he can move beyond that and focus on other things. the other guy who had a great night, ted cruz. he came out strong with that attack against the media. he was one of the most talked-about guys on social media. that moment was the most facebooked moment of the night. which was a real win for the cruz camp. he threw red meat to his base with the attack on the moderators and cnbc. it was a big, fat juicy steak. they love it. the conservative base that supports ted cruz does believe there is a mainstream liberal media trying to spin things away from their guy. so when cruz comes out and hits
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the media hard, it's a win for him. >> and, chris, one of the people that came into this debate leading the pack first time is ben carson. how did he do yesterday? >> yeah, one of the things that we've been talking about his campaign about is how does he capitalize on that. i think by most measures, it was a pretty flat night for him. but remember, he got to be first because of the fact, frankly, that a lot of people find his demeanor, which is very low key, to be appealing. they like the contrast. i'm right now on the campus of colorado christian university. behind me i'm seeing people continuing to come into what is going to be his post-debate speech. they have got a standing room only crowd that's going to be here, probably two-thirds of them students. having said that, i think the challenge for ben carson this morning is to show that he can have more of that energy that people think that whoever the republican nominee is going to have -- have to have when they
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go on that debate stage one on one, likely against hillary clinton. and there are a lot of folks, for example, on this campus and elsewhere who like the kind of values that ben carson has, who consider ted cruz to be a very strong alternative and so after his strong debate performance last night, i think we're going to see a more pressure on ben carson. >> chris jansing and hallie jackson, thank you both for being with me this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you. let's talk a little bit about the democratic side and that race. hillary clinton is gearing up for a forum in new hampshire which will take place in just a couple of hours. today's events come after clinton met with business leaders in manchester on wednesday where she addressed the topic of equal pay. >> here in new hampshire, the gender wage gap is actually larger than the national average, even though women work in greater numbers and graduate from college in greater numbers in new hampshire than they do
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nationwide. >> kristen welker is live in berlin, new hampshire, with today's forum. kristen, what are we expecting today? >> reporter: hey, jose, good morning. secretary clinton is going to hold a roundtable with students here. she's going to talk about college affordability, but more broadly she's going to use this forum to fire back at some of the criticism that she got during last night's gop debate. for example, marco rubio saying that the benghazi hearing that lasted for 11 hours exposed the fact that she had lied about the crisis, mishandled the crisis. we got a preview of how secretary clinton is going to respond in a series of tweets that she released last night. take a look at one of them. it shows her at the benghazi hearing looking down and then sort of brushing her shoulder. another tweet i want to read for you. it says, quote, we will repeat this as often as needed. women, not the politicians on stage, should make decisions about their own health. so expect her to talk about those topics as well as women and the economy, and of course
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this comes as she is in a fierce fight here in new hampshire with vermont senator bernie sanders. recent polls show them running neck in neck. she does have a much wider lead in iowa, she's leading him by about 41 points. but again, it's a real fight here in new hampshire, so she's going to try to reach out to some of those progressives here who are wavering between her and bernie sanders as well. jose. >> kristen, sanders made a pretty big announcement, right? >> reporter: he made a very big announcement yesterday, speaking in virginia at george mason university. he called for an end to the federal prohibition of marijuana. so what would that mean? that would essentially mean that states would have the ability to govern marijuana laws. they could determine whether to end the prohibition or they could legalize it and that could lead to far fewer arrests for simple possession. this is a theme that resonates with younger voters, with progressives, bernie sanders going further than any other candidate, including secretary hillary clinton, who said that
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she wants to see more testing and more evidence before she weighs in on that level. jose. >> kristen welker, thank you very much. i want to take you quickly at the house floor, the speaker vote is still under way. we'll take you back to our nation's capital next. but first outgoing speaker of the house, john boehner, during his farewell speech. >> before i go, i want to express what an honor it's been to serve with all of you. the people's house is in my view the great embodiment of the american dream. everybody here comes from somewhere and everybody here is on some mission. phil! oh no... (under his breath) hey man! hey peter. (unenthusiastic) oh... ha ha ha! joanne? is that you? it's me... you don't look a day over 70. am i right? jingle jingle. if you're peter pan, you stay young forever. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance,
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inform you that i will resign as speaker of the house, effective upon the election of my successor. i will also resign as the representative from ohio's eighth district at the end of this month. i leave with no regrets, no burdens. if anything, i leave the way i started, just a regular guy, humbled by the chance to do a big job. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell and luke russert are following today's passing of the gavel. kelly, let me start with you. what have we seen so far? >> well, i think, jose, you saw the send-off for a man who's given 25 years to the house and that was maybe something people would have been surprised to see how much applause and how much respect was shown to john boehner today, given the rough couple of years he has had. he was able to sort of able to recap the things that have meant the most to him while serving him, to thank his family, constituents and colleagues and
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to wish paul ryan well. these days on the hill i've always enjoyed so much in part of our coverage, because it gives you a sense of the ceremony and the impact that being a part of an institution with this long, long history can have on the individuals who are here today. it gives them a chance to pause from the day in, day out knocking each other around and be sort of in the moment, respectful about what's happening, recognizing the house is going through a change. so that's sort of the farewell to boehner piece of this, and he's been putting together with his staff a lot of sort of the scrapbook of his time here and sort of reminiscing a bit with his colleagues and so forth. so that part ends. the vote that's under way now is really going along the lines of what we expected to see, overwhelming support for paul ryan and just a handful so far, the vote still in progress, of votes for the more conservative member, daniel webster, who had done pretty well, even more votes than we expected in the private secret ballot yesterday. his name was not officially put
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in nomination so these are some of the more tea party members who are saying despite all of this call for unity, they still believe that a more conservative member, more conservative they believe than paul ryan should be speaker. that's more of a protest vote than anything else. jose. >> luke, really the election of paul ryan is a fait accompli. what's next this morning? >> you have to go through the duration of this speaker's vote, there are 435 members. we want to look forward to the paul ryan number. there's no way he'll get 218 votes but they wanted a resounding number, 230, 240 number to say i have the support of a unified house conference that we have not seen at this level in years. remember, the last time there was a speaker's vote when john boehner was in this position,
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had it not been for the death of mario cuomo where a lot of democratic members were at the funeral and could not vote, boehner would have come close to being the first speaker in over a generation to have to go to a second ballot for his election. that's what paul ryan's folks wanted to avoid. that's why he made those overtures to conservatives. that's why they have seemed to back him so far. i was taken aback with two of the members supporting ryan. on that note which i found was fascinating, jose, when john boehner gave his farewell address he had this line that stuck out to me. real change takes time. freedom makes all things possible, but patience makes things real. that's the embodiment of his career, 25 years here on capitol hill, patience, work within the system. that is something that those house conservatives do not understand right now and don't necessarily like. we'll see how ryan deals with that, if he can get them to have some more patience. >> lounuke russert and kelly
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o'donnell, thank you very much. we'll continue watching what is going on on capitol hill. meanwhile secretary of state john kerry arrived in vienna for talks on ending the crisis in syria, while leaders from almost 20 nations will attend. the spotlight is on the u.s., russia, iran and saudi arabia. formal talks begin tomorrow, but secretary kerry is meeting with other participants this afternoon. finally, a quick check on wall street for you. right now the dow is down about 70 points. this after a wild ride on wednesday afternoon, following the federal reserve's decision to leave interest rates at near 0%. that's where they have been since december of 2008. all three major averages lower this morning, reacting to the fed and a weaker-than-expected reading on economic growth. but let's talk a little bit about the debate because that is something that occurred last night. a lot of fireworks, a lot of discussion. we'll be fact-checking the gop candidates after last night's debate. and minutes from now, speaker john boehner makes it official, announcing the election of his replacement, expected to be
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none of the clash in colorado between the 2016 republicans where one of the big topics was taxes. >> first of all, i didn't say that the rate would be 10%. i used the tithing analogy. >> i understand that, but if you look at the numbers, you probably have to get to 28%. >> the rate is going to be much closer to 15%. >> 15% still leaves you with a $1.1 trillion hole. >> you also have to do rid of all the deductions and all the loopholes. you also have to do some strategic cutting. >> msnbc business and tech correspondent, olivia sterns, has checking out the republican tax plans. good morning. so what numbers add up? >> good morning, jose. well, it is a good question, particularly since so many candidates are talking about a flat tax. isn't that incredible that we have an election cycle where
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several candidates are talking about a flat tax in a country that is broadly rallying against the 1%. you know who a flat tax helps most? the 1%. flat taxes disproportionately lower taxes on the wealthy and raise them on the poor. ben carson has yet to give many details on his tax policy. we did, though, just before the debate get the details of ted cruz's tax policy. what he is calling for is a 10% flat tax on income and investment above $36,000. take a listen to what he had to say last night. >> 10% flat rate is the lowest personal rate any candidate up here has and what it would also enable us to do is for every citizen to fill out their taxes on a postcard so we can eliminate the irs. >> okay, thank you, senator. >> so he wants to eliminate the irs, he wants to eliminate the estate tax, he wants to eliminate the alternative
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minimum tax, and he says he's going to do all this while keeping social security and medicare funded. now, it came out last night so we haven't seen any great numbers crunching that. if you take what rand paul is talking about, a 14.5% flat tax, i found some numbers from a right-leaning organization, they say at 14.5% you're still going to end up with roughly north of a $1 trillion hole in the deficit, so becky quick was right. jose. >> and there's talk about auditing the federal reserve. >> yes, i love this one because i used to spend a lot of time talking about the fed. this really is political, it is not about economics. so the fed is already audited. take a look at who publishes audits of the fed. the government accountability office, the office of the inspector general plus there are already several independent private auditors who put out audits of the fed. plus if you want to go to the fed's website, they are actually quite transparent themselves. they do detail almost every
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asset they own. so this is really political. this is about ted cruz and rand paul not wanting the fed to be an independent body that controls monetary policy. they would prefer the fed to be under the thumb of congress or the executive. jose. >> thank you very much. we're going to take a quick break and return with our special coverage of the house speaker vote. the vote has completed. they're in the process of counting all of the votes. breaking details ahead with brian williams. ♪ is it the insightful strategies and analytical capabilities that make edward jones one of the biggest financial services firms in the country? or is it 13,000 financial advisors who take the time to say thank you? 'night jim. gonna be a while? i am liz got a little writing to do. ♪ it's why edward jones is the big company that doesn't act that way.
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really demonstrate a show of unity. we've seen a handful of votes so far for daniel webster of florida, whose name was not officially put in nomination, but he had been the choice of that most conservative group, tea party individuals known as the freedom caucus. just a smattering of votes there, a bit of a protest in a way, but paul ryan will certainly have the job, it's just a matter of by how much. so he will become the 62nd speaker of the house, but 54 individuals have held that job. a little trivia for you. sometimes they come back to the job. just as the president is the 44th president but there have only been 43 individuals. grover cleveland was 22 and 24. we have time for trivia, so why not. so paul ryan will, after this is concluded, he will receive the gavel. probably a ceremonial gavel, maybe one of the larger-than-life types from nancy pelosi, who is the minority leader, and he'll have an opportunity to make remarks. then we're sort of off to the races for a new era for the
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house of representatives. paul ryan at 45 is one of the youngest speakers in more than a century, and he comes to this job with a national profile, which is part of the reason his colleagues wanted him to take it. in talking with him over the years, he has always said he didn't want to be speaker, until this last week. he had other ambitions. namely, the job that he had just gotten a year or so ago, as the chairman of the tax writing committee, ways and means. he had a lot of plans to try to rework the tax code. that had been a long-term goal for him. he's going to have to give that up and hope that his successor can carry it on. that's the wonky side of paul ryan. and then politically there is the question would he have any ambitions beyond serving in congress. unclear, he hasn't really talked about that. he chose not to run for president in this cycle. it remains to be seen if someone who has served as speaker of the house, especially as a young man, is there a career after this in politics when his time with the gavel ends. those are all things to be
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written over time. but today is really a new day for paul ryan. his family here with him watching this all come to pass. brian. >> kelly, given his path to get here, and we're talking about just the last few weeks and what's gone on with the departure of boehner and what's gone on especially in the gop caucus in the house, his remarks will be arguably more closely watched than most. >> i think that's right, because he's got to send a signal. he can do the things that you would expect, the appreciation and the gratitude and those things that are important in a political speech, but we will be looking for messages in paul ryan's tone of leadership. he said in very brief remarks yesterday that he wanted this house to have a different vision and to operate differently than it has in the past. some of the most conservative members have been angry about a top down structure, a sort of punitive role of leadership. if you didn't go along with the majority, you might not get the committee assignments that you
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want, you might not have a voice. that's really the way washington has worked for a long time. part of nancy pelosi's success, sort of the velvet hammer over her democratic caucus that she was able to deliver when they were in the majority. and john boehner had more trouble with that. is paul ryan the type who will sort of politically knock heads from time to time if necessary? that remains to be seen. that hasn't been his personality as a public official. so we'll be looking for in what ways will it change. he has asked for some rule changes, including one that would make it more difficult for sort of disruption on the floor -- oh, i hear a gavel. let me pause, brian. >> the total number of votes cast is 432. of which the honorable paul d. ryan of the state of wisconsin has received 236. the honorable nancy pelosi of california has received 184, the honorable daniel webster of the state of florida has received 9, the honorable jim cooper of the state of tennessee has received
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1, the honorable john lewis of georgia has received 1 and the honorable colin powell has received 1. therefore, the honorable paul d. ryan of the state of wisconsin having received a majority of the votes cast is duly elected as speaker of the house. [ applause ]
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the chair appoints the following committee to escort the speaker-elect to the chair. gentleman from california, mr. mccarthy, gentlewoman from california, ms. pelosi, the gentleman from louisiana, mr. scalise, the gentleman from maryland, mr. hoyer, miss mcmorris rogers, the gentleman from south carolina, mr. clyburn, the gentleman from oregon, mr. walton, the gentleman from california, mr. becera, the gentleman from indiana, mr. messer, the gentleman from new york mr. crowley, the gentlewoman from kansas, miss jenkins, the gentleman from new york, mr. israel, miss fox, the gentleman from new mexico, mr. ben ray
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luhahn. miss wagner, miss delaro, the miss edwards. miss processions, the gentleman from maryland, mr. van holland and mr. mchenry, and the members of the wisconsin delegation. mr. sense brenner, mr. kind, mr. moore, mr. duffy, mr. ribble, mr. pocan. mimi walters. the committee will retire from the chamber to escort the speaker-elect to the chair. >> it might have been easier to ask those members of the house who are not escorting the speaker of the house, but there's john boehner again with the emotional announcement that
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there is a new speaker. and nicolle wallace, those watching at home would be forgiven if they thought that somehow colin powell was looking at a lifelong quest to become speaker of the house. he has no control over the fact that in the last two elections a vote has been cast for him. >> he might be the only person who wanted the job less than paul ryan. might be colin powell. i keep thinking watching this that paul ryan benefits so much from watching the attempts that john boehner and kevin mccarthy in his short time of trying to run for speaker, they tried to deal with that caucus of super conservative members, they call themselves the freedom caucus, but pacifying them. paul ryan did the opposite. he stood in front of them and said if you pick me, the ball is in your court. if you choose me i will take this job and it will be my honor to do so. if you don't, no big deal. i'll go back to my committee and write nerdy tax bills none of you can ever understand. so i think he starts this with so much more -- the seinfeld
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expression hand. he's got more hand with that group. so i would predict some early successes. of course there will be bumps along the way, but i like where paul ryan is starting today. >> steve kornacki, washington will surprise you. he had such conservative cred. he was one of the young guns and then there's a flanking movement to his right that you just couldn't see coming. >> yeah, we've talked about this a little bit during the broadcast today. there is that hard-core group that it will be impossible for paul ryan and it would be impossible for any republican speaker to placate. we're just looking through the list right now of the votes against paul ryan. i guess the numbers that i'm comparing here to are in 2013 when john boehner in january of 2013 was re-elected speaker, 12 republicans voted against him. in 2015 earlier this year, that number was 25. that was a very embarrassing day. to put that in perspective, 9 is the number today. 235, that was the number ryan's
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people were putting out there they wanted to hit. they did hit that number. 236. just a note on that colonin powl one too. that was actually a democrat, jim cooper from tennessee, who cast that vote. there were a few democrats who strayed and voted against nancy pelosi, probably thinking of their home districts which were a little republican-leaning. >> the only foreign member of congress that we know of who is a co-worker of ours is joining our coverage and that would be congressman joe scarborough of the great state of florida, better known to american viewers as morning joe. joe, hello to you. thank you for joining us. what do you make of this change in power in the house today? >> well, first of all, i make from your introduction that obviously you're stuck with me because i'm the only former member in the entire building. but be that as it may, i like being the tallest building in schenectady. no, it's great to be with you,
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brian. i tell you what i make of it is that paul ryan did play his hand right, but paul ryan had a much stronger hand to play than john boehner. when i got to congress 20 years ago, i looked at john boehner as one of them. he was a member of the establishment, he was a guy that would carry newt's water, he was the guy that would carry the leadership's water. paul ryan was actually a staffer working with about five members and myself on trying to downsize government fairly radically, to abolish four agencies, government agencies, and he maintained that conservative pose throughout the years. so he's playing a stronger hand because he went in with a stronger hand. he's been seen as a conservative's conservative for a very long time. there will be a few people that vote against him and go home and brag about it, but paul ryan is much stronger with conservatives than john boehner is or ever was. and that's why he'll have far
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more latitude, and don't expect people to move to vacate the chair, because there will be a general uprising in the republican caucus and they won't allow it. >> joe, do you think he'll be successful in his stated goal, one of his stated goals, reforming this job, preserving his weekends as father of young kids already with a hefty commute between washington and wisconsin? >> i do. i do. >> mr. speaker, the speaker-elect, paul d. ryan of the state of wisconsin. [ applause ] >> they have announced the new speaker and flanked by that committee, in the same style we're used to seeing the president entering the house chamber for the state of the union address, here comes your new speaker, paul ryan. joe, go ahead. >> yeah, i was just going to say, brian, another thing that
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paul ryan has going for him as he walks down that center aisle, unlike newt gingrich, unlike john boehner, paul ryan comes from a district that votes for democratic presidents as much as they vote for republican presidents. he's in a district that bill clinton won, i think, a couple of times. i believe al gore may have won it in 2000. and so he actually understands what it's like to deal with democrats in his district, much like bill clinton understood when he became president what it was like dealing with republicans. and as you see right now, paul is going down the center of the aisle, kissing democrats and hugging republicans alike. that's not a scene you saw when people like newt gingrich or john boehner became speaker of the house. certainly my hope is that he can hold the conservatives together on the republican side, but also as you see, hugs the democrats. this is a guy that has had to learn to deal with democrats as
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well as republicans in his own home district and maybe that's why he was able to do a budget deal with patty murray when nobody else in his position had been able to do it before. >> yeah, as you mentioned as i'm watching him, you're right, the greetings are as robust from democrats as they are from republicans and we can't always say that. and, joe, optics have become so important. here we are on the heels of last night's gop debate where the party is changing a little bit. they had this paroxysm of kind of a release of pressure here recently and it was all in public view. >> yes. >> and now it will be interesting to see the course they chart. >> well, i was laughing as you said it changed a little bit. as a republican who finds himself scratching his head often about what in the world is going on in my party, i wish my
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republican party was only changing a little bit. it is in the middle of a tumultuous revolt. interestingly enough, the one man who right now is on the national stage that actually can bridge that gulf is paul ryan. a conservative's conservative going back 20 years, but also a guy who knows how to deal with the establishment. and brian, as you know as well as anybody, there are not many on either side of the aisle anymore that know how to do that, which actually makes paul ryan a bit of a throwback to what you and i remember congress used to be like. again, there's a hug with john lewis. it is hard to imagine seeing newt gingrich hugging john lewis, seeing newt gingrich reaching out and hugging jim clyburn there, the minority whip. and americans should look at this and see this as a reason of
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hope. this is a guy that was able to corral his own conservative caucus and this is somebody that democrats can work with. that doesn't mean things aren't going to be tough and there aren't going to be pitched battles, there always are, but paul ryan comes to this job with a sense of calming and a sense of understanding of what it takes to run this house and an ability to reach out to th other side. and again, it goes back to all politics being local. he's had to do it in his home district. i said before bill clinton had to do it in arkansas. that's why he struck landmark deals with republicans on welfare reform and on balancing the budget and on tax cuts and on regulatory reforms. there's bobby rush out of illinois. one after another after another liberal democrat that's hugging paul ryan and wishing him the best. ronald reagan from california had to deal with liberals and
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democrats in california. when he came to washington, he figured out how to make the place work. that's one of my great frustrations. the great frustrations of a lot of people who used to work in washington, d.c. it doesn't seem a lot of people that are in a powerful position know how to make this town work anymore. paul ryan may prove to be the exception to that rule. >> joe scarborough who knows that chamber well. this will be interesting now, because paul ryan in just his remarks over the past 48 hours has been very careful to say we're going to operate by a new set of rules. he has to graciously thank his good friend, the gentleman from ohio, the departing john boehner, and then it's part of his job in this address as you see nancy pelosi embracing and welcoming both guys. part of his job is to talk about the future.
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john boehner has left the podium there. an emotional day in the house of representatives, especially on the republican side. and to joe's point, you saw ryan walk right through the heart of the democratic order there, the rangels, it was quite something. and also to joe's point, you saw a reception for him that has just not been the case in recent history. john boehner has a new condo in florida, and if thought bubbles were worn like clothing, you could see it walking right along with him. he's worked hard,


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