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john boehner has left the podium there. an emotional day in the house of representatives, especially on the republican side. and to joe's point, you saw ryan walk right through the heart of the democratic order there, the rangels, it was quite something. and also to joe's point, you saw a reception for him that has just not been the case in recent history. john boehner has a new condo in florida, and if thought bubbles were worn like clothing, you could see it walking right along with him. he's worked hard, certainly came
>> my dear colleagues of the 114th congress of the united states, today as every day we come to this floor strengthened and inspired by the support of our colleagues, the trust of our constituents and the love of our families. my special thanks to my husband, paul, our five children, our nine grandchildren and the entire pelosi and delasandro families for their support. my deep gratitude to the city of san francisco for the honor to represent them here and my heart felt thanks to my democratic colleagues for extending to me the honor of being nominated to be speaker of the house. thank you, my colleagues. today we bid farewell to a speaker who has served his constituents and this congress with honor for 25 years, speaker
john boehner. [ applause ] in his story, we are reminded of the enduring exceptional promise of america, this hard-working son of an ohio bartender and owner who grew up to be the speaker of the house of representatives. john boehner talked about the american dream. john boehner, you are the personification of the person dream. [ applause ] as you all know, speaker boehner was a formidable spokesman for
the republican agenda. my republican colleagues, i'm sure you know and i can attest to the fact that he was always true and loyal to the members of his caucus in any negotiations we ever had. although we had our differences, and often, i always respected his dedication to this house and his commitment to his values. thank you, john, for your leadership and courage as speaker. your graciousness as speaker extended and was reflected in your staff, under the leadership of mike summers, whom we all respect. thank you to john boehner's staff. and i know i speak for everyone here, democrats and republicans, when i thank you for making the
visit of his holiness, pope francis, such a beautiful and meaningful experience for all of us. today we extend our thanks and congratulations to debbie, your daughter's lindsay and trisha and the entire boehner family, now including grandson alister. let's hear it for the family of john boehner. [ applause ] on behalf of house democrats and personally, i wish you and your family all of god's blessings in the glorious years ahead.
last month, we witnessed something truly special when pope francis made history addressing a joint session of congress. standing right here, pope francis called on us to seek hope, peace and dialogue for all people and reminded us of our duty to find a way forward for everyone. a good political leader his holiness said is one who with the interest of all in mind seizes the moment in a spirit of openness and pragmatism. with the interests in mind of all. pope francis echoed the principle of our founders, that placed at the heart of our democracy, the saying e pluribus unum, from many, one. the founders could never imagine how vast our country would come, how diverse and different we
would be, ethnically, gender, beliefs and priorities, but they knew we had to be one. every day in this house and across the country we pledge allegiance to one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [ applause ] this is the beauty of america that for all of our honest differences, perspectives and priorities aired and argued so passionately on this floor we are committed to being one nation. despite our differences, in fact respecting them, i look forward to a clear debate in this marketplace of ideas, the people's house of representatives. and so, my fellow colleagues, we have a responsibility to act upon our shared faith in the greatness of our country. we have a responsibility to be
worthy of the sacrifices of our troops, our veterans and our military families. we have a responsibility to make real the promise of the american dream for all. there's important work before the congress. we must do more to promote growth, decrease the deficit, create good-paying jobs and increase the paychecks of america's working families. today in this house a page is turned, a new chapter has begun. today the gavel passes to a proud son of wisconsin, the first speaker from wisconsin. paul ryan has had the full breadth of experience on capitol hill from young staffer to tratilla coast waiter to congressman, to being a sincere and proud advocate for his point
of view as chairman of the budget committee, as a respected leader and chairman of the ways and means committee and in a minute he will be the speaker of the house of representatives. [ applause ] on behalf -- mr. speaker-to-be, on behalf of house democrats, i extend the hand of friendship to you. congratulations to you, paul, to johna, your children, liza, charlie and sam, your mother who is here, how proud she must be, the entire ryan family whom we all know mean so much to you. mr. speaker, god bless you and your family and god bless the united states of america. >> thank you.
[ applause ] >> this is the speaker's house, this is the speaker's -- this is the people's house, this is the people's gavel and the people's name it is my privilege to hand this gavel to the speaker of the house, congressman and honorable paul ryan. >> thank you. thank you very much. [ applause ] thank you, nancy. [ applause ]
>> thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. thank you, madam leader. before i begin, i would like to thank all of my family and friends who flew in from wisconsin and from all over for being here today. in the gallery i have my mom, betty. my sister, janet, my brothers, stan and tobin, and more cousins than i can count on a few hands. [ applause ]
most important, i want to recognize my wife, jana and our children, liza, charlie and sam. [ applause ] i also want to thank speaker boehner. for almost five years he led this house, for nearly 25 years he served it. not many people can match his accomplishments. the offices he held, the laws he passed. but what really sets john apart
is he's a man of character, a true class act. he is without a question the gentleman from ohio, so please join me in saying one last time, thank you speaker boehner. [ applause ] now i know how he felt. it's not until you hold this gavel, stand in this spot, look out and see all 435 members of this house, as if all america is
sitting right in front of you. it's not until then that you feel it. the weight of responsibility, the gravity of the moment. you know, as i stand here, i can't help but think of something harry truman once said. the day after franklin roosevelt died, truman became president and he told a group of reporters, if you ever pray, pray for me now. when they told me yesterday what had happened, i felt like the moon, the stars and all the planets had fallen on me. we should all feel that way. a lot is on our shoulders. so if you ever pray, let's pray for each other. republicans, f for democrats, a democrats for republicans.
[ applause ] and i don't mean pray for a conversion. pray for a deeper understanding, because when you're up here, you see it so clearly. wherever you come from, whatever you believe, we are all in the same boat. i never thought i'd be speaker. but early in my life, i wanted to serve this house. i thought this place was exhilarating. because here you can make a difference. if you had a good idea, if you worked hard, you could make it happen. you could improve people's lives. to me, the house of representatives represents what's best of america, the boundless opportunity to do
good. but let's be frank. the house is broken. we're not solving problems, we're adding to them. and i am not interested in laying blame. we are not settling scores, we are wiping the slate clean. [ applause ] neither the members nor the people are satisfied with how things are going. we need to make some changes. starting with how the house does business. we need to let every member contribute, not once they have earned their stripes, but now. i come at this job at a two-time
committee chair. the committees should retake the lead in drafting all major legislation. [ applause ] if you know the issue, you should write the bill. let's open up the process. let people participate. and they might change their mind. a neglected minority will gum up the works. a respected minority will work in good faith. instead of trying to stop the majority, they might try to become the majority. in other words, we need to return to regular order. [ applause ]
now, i know this sounds like process. it's actually a matter of principle. we are the body closest to the people. every two years, we face the voters, and sometimes face the music. but we do not echo the people, we represent the people. we are supposed to study up and do the homework that they cannot do. so when we do not follow regular order, when we rush to pass bills that a lot of us don't understand, we are not doing our job. only a fully functioning house can truly represent the people, and if there are ever a time for us to step up, this would be that time. [ applause ] america does not feel strong anymore because the working people of america do not feel
strong anymore. i'm talking about the people who mind the store and grow the food and walk the beat and pay the taxes and raise the family. they do not sit in this house. they do not have fancy titles. but they are the people who make this country work, and this house should work for them. [ applause ] here's the problem. they're working hard, they're paying a lot, they're trying to do right by their families, and they're going nowhere fast. they never get a raise, they never get a break. the bills keep piling up and the taxes and the debt. they're working harder than ever before to get ahead and yet they're falling further behind.
they feel robbed. they feel cheated by their birthright, of their birthright. they're not asking for any favors. they just want a fair chance. and they are losing faith that they will ever get it. then they look at washington and all they see is chaos. what a relief to them it would be if we finally got our acts together. what a weight off of their shoulders. how reassuring it would be if we actually fixed the tax code, put patients in charge of their health care, grew our economy, strengthened our military, lifted people out of poverty and paid down our debt. [ applause ]
at this point nothing could be more inspiring than a job well done. nothing could stir the heart more than real concrete results. the cynics will scoff. they'll say it's not possible. you better believe we're going to try. we will not duck the tough issues, we will take them head on. we are going to do all we can do so that working people get their strength back and people not working get their lives back. no more favors for the few, opportunity for all. that is our motto. [ applause ]
you know, i often -- i often talk about a need for revision. i'm not sure i ever really said what i meant. we solve problems here, yes. we create a lot of them too. but at bottom we vindicate a way of life. we show by our work that free people can govern themselves. they can solve their own problems, they can make their own decisions, they can deliberate, collaborate and get the job done. we show that self government is not only more efficient and more effective, it's more fulfilling. in fact we show that it is that struggle, that hard work, that very achievement itself that makes us free. that is what we do here. and we will not always agree. not all of us, not all of the time. but we should not hide our disagreements. we should embrace them.
we have nothing to fear from honest differences honestly stated. [ applause ] if you have ideas, let's hear them. i believe that a greater clarity between us can lead to greater charity among us. and there's every reason to have hope. when the first speaker took the gavel, he looked out at a room of 30 people. representing a nation of 3 million. today as i look out at each and every one of you, we represent a nation of 300 million. so when i hear people say that america doesn't have it, we are done, we are spent, i don't believe it. i believe with every fiber of my being that we can renew the american idea. [ applause ]
now, our task, our task is to make us all believe. my friends, you have done me a great honor. the people of this country, they have done all of us a great honor. now let's prove ourselves worthy of it. let's seize the moment. let's rise to the occasion. and when we are done, let us say that we left the people, all the people more united, happy and free. thank you. [ applause ]
>> there is one more bit of business and that is the swearing in of the new speaker. long-time democratic member of congress john conyers will get that task. a real sense of moment as paul ryan gave that speech, and a lot of sentiment that some americans would like to hear in a state of the union address. >> i am now ready to take the oath of office. i ask that the dean of the house of representatives, the honorable john conyers jr. of michigan to administer the oath of office. [ applause ] >> if the gentleman from wisconsin would please raise his right hand. do you, sir, solemnly swear or
affirm that you will support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that you take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter, so help you god? >> i do. >> thank you. >> thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. [ applause ]
>> for purposes, the gentleman from california, mr. mccarthy, seeks recognition. >> mr. speaker, i offer a privileged resolution and ask for its immediate consideration. >> the clerk will report the resolution. the clerk will first number the resolution. >> house resolution 503 resolved that the clerk be instructed to inform the president of the united states that the house of representatives has elected paul d. ryan, a representative from the state of wisconsin, speaker of the house of representatives. >> without objection the resolution is agreed to and the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. >> of course if they get cable tv at the white house, the president is already aware of the election of paul ryan as speaker of the house of representatives, but the house is nothing, if not tradition bound and so certain of these pieces of business have taken place since the birth of the republic and kelly o'donnell,
who has covered this place for just a short amount of that time, kelly, another change in power. >> thank you for that, brian. yes, and the paper will actually travel down pennsylvania avenue and be sent to the white house. they still do it that way here. a tone from paul ryan that i think speaks to both parties, wanting to encourage those democrats in the minority to have a place in a house that he will run and also that note to some of the more restless republicans about the change of how they do things, how they conduct the business of the house for going back to what they call around here regular order. letting the committees do the work, find the legislation and bring it forward instead of leadership bargaining and then presenting it to the members. that's a tough order in the modern era because, as deals come together, there is often so much outside criticism of each incremental step, so we have seen this transition to deals
made between either the house and senate with or without the white house at a leadership level and then sort of being forced on members. and that is something members don't like, but some in leadership say is the only way to get anything done. so we'll see now as paul ryan shakes the hands of colleagues and they get back into the normal business of the day. brian. >> and luke russert, some real conciliatory wording about a respected minority. quote, i believe a greater clarity between us can lead to greater charity among us. how long can that last, luke? >> that's a good question, brian, because paul ryan is going to have to deal with two adversarial forces. obviously you have the house democrats, who have been very weary of paul ryan since he put forward his budget that significantly altered medicare and social security. they ran ads against paul ryan during that 2012 election saying that he was effectively pushing grandma over a cliff. then he has to deal with the
conservative flank in his own conference that he really made overtures to today, i thought, by saying that he's going to go through the committee process regular order. we'll see. i was struck by the top of his remarks when he implored both parties to pray for each other. he's going to be the third catholic speaker in a row, after pelosi and boehner, and he does have a lot of positive feelings towards him from house democrats because they have always respected the fact that he's been willing to start difficult policy discussions with concrete ideas. whereas many of his colleagues will just sort of speak in pl platitud platitudes, ryan will speak in legislation. so i think he'll have a good will period that at least extends through the christmas holidays, but come next year paul ryan will find himself in some pretty contentious battles with democrats, with the white house on these remaining pieces of legislation that need to be accomplished. whether it's a highway bill or another things of that
magnitude, the trade bills, we'll certainly see. >> steve kornacki, the business awaiting this house and the senate for that matter is kind of staggering. >> yeah. it's interesting. you have to go all the way back to 1989 to find a situation like this where a new speaker comes in, not with all the other new members at the start of a new congressional term in january, but midstream, in the middle of a session. it was when newt gingrich ran out jim wright and tom foley came in in 1989, that's the last time we had a situation like this. the other interesting thing is when you look back to that time and look to today, none of the speakers starting with jim wright and leading up through john boehner, none of them have left that office voluntarily. we've had six speakers of the house, after tip o'neill stepped down in 1986, we've had six consecutive speakers of the house who for various reasons, whether it was the ethics thing with jim wright or getting swamped in an election or being run out by your own party like newt gingrich in 1998, none of them have left this job on their
own terms. it's very interesting with paul ryan. we talked about how john boehner did him a big favor taking the threat of a shutdown off the table so paul ryan looks clear in this job maybe through the 2016 election, but is that same fate that every other speaker before him since tip o'neill has suffered, will he ultimately suffer that too. >> historian and author michael beschloss, whoever was the first to invoke the term pendulum to describe the shift of power between the parties, between and among the parties in american politics was really on to something. think about the eras of o'neill, of rayburn, of mccormick, and think about what we witnessed today. >> right. and one of the pendulum swings has always been between strong speakers and weaker speakers. and there have been a lot more weak speakers in american history than strong speakers. if paul ryan wants to accomplish the things that he talked about today, he's going to have to be a strong speaker. one other thing unusual, this is a new speaker who had an awful
lot of americans three years ago vote for him for vice president. only james polk ever went from the speakership to the presidency. brian, earlier you said this was almost like a state of the union. it was more like speeches that you hear from a new speaker. one of the things paul ryan is trying to do is not just address his colleagues about house reform but go to americans and say the house is broken, as he did, and essentially appeal outside of congress to make that another tool in his tool chest. >> joe scarborough is both a former member of congress and a part-time musician. so, joe, to underscore the generational change we have just witnessed, john conyers standing there swearing in paul ryan, conyers started in congress in '64, ryan born six years later in 1970. if you're in our audience and you remember 1970 then it speaks very loudly to you. and all these song titles as
metaphors came out in 1970. bridge over troubled water, let it be, long and winding road, i'll be there, and we've only just begun. so joe, take it from there, what do you think we just witnessed today. >> good lord! actually it's so funny, i was thinking of long and winding road for paul ryan when nancy talked about where he started, and he started actually he was a waiter at tortilla coast. anybody who worked at the house knows tortilla coast is the must-stop place if you want to pick up about 3,000 calories in 15 minutes. it's where everybody goes and congregates. but as i said before when i first got to washington, paul was a staffer for what was then the freedom caucus. we called ourselves the new federalists. he was a 23-year-old kid. i can tell you at the time we all turned, whenever we had any questions, we turned to paul and asked a question. say, okay, if we want to eliminate the department of education and take it all back
to the states in block grants, how do we empower the states to make these decisions. paul always had an answer, would get back to us with an answer. i think most importantly, and i can't overstate this enough, what makes paul different, paul ryan different from past speakers that have faced hostility, paul has already faced it on the largest level, on the biggest stage. he ran for vice president of the united states. he actually had some of the same democrats that are applauding him today that he was hugging today just a few years ago support a commercial that literally had him pushing a grandmother over a cliff in a wheelchair. i bring that up because the one thing that those of us who have served in though halls understand and respect are people who are professionals, that can take those sort of hits, blow it off and say that's just part of the game. it's like bill clinton and i were talking a couple of years ago backstage, and he said you
know what it takes to be a great leader? he said a short memory. paul ryan has to have that short memory, because he comes from a district, and good luck finding any other members in this j gerrymandered congress, paul comes from a district that voted for clinton, george bush in 2000 and barack obama in 2008. that is part of a vanishing breed of members in a more and more divided congress. and because of that, paul understands what it takes, even as a conservative, to work with people like maxine waters, to work with people like charlie rangel and others, and nancy pelosi. i did find it interesting, one bit of theatrics, though, he did not go in for the full hug and kiss with nancy pelosi. boehner always did that. that was the only sort of a holding back.
i don't know what the 1970s song would be for that, but he did -- he did seem to hold back from that. but i think palm wiul will be f more effective in this position than most of his predecessors. >> i intentionally did not mention b.b. king who put out "the thrill is gone" in 1970 trying to keep it positive here today. >> not yet, not yet. >> but good points to end on from the only member of our merry band to actually serve in that chamber. and somewhere the general manager of tortilla coast is just marveling at his good fortune today. that will wrap it up for our live coverage of what we just witnessed, a kind of peaceful, interparty change of power from republican to republican, as speaker of the house. the 54th person to hold that job title. our coverage will continue with craig melvin on the other side of a break. (vo) around age 7, the glucose metabolism in a dog's brain
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welcome back to msnbc. we have been following breaking news on capitol hill, the election and swearing-in of a new speaker of the house, paul ryan taking the oath of office just a few moments ago. nbc's luke russert is live on capitol hill with a special guest. hey, luke. >> hey there, craig, thanks so much for throwing to me. we just saw paul ryan become the 54th speaker of the house of representatives. i'll joined now by somebody who was in line for the job but then took a step back and thas the current majority leader, kevin mccarthy. thank you for joining us. what was it like for you watching that whole process, you were so close? >> i'm excited. paul and i have been such good friends for a long time, we wrote a book together. i think paul is the right man at the right time. if you noticed, he united this conference and that's what we need needed. i think we needed a fresh face, we needed to unite the conference. i feel very good about my decision. you've always got to put this country first and i think that's
what paul is doing by taking the job. >> issues you had were the possibility of getting the 218 on the floor. you probably were going to get that but it was not necessarily the resound majority that you wanted. ryan was able to get 236. how important is it for him to have that big number of 236 republicans in support of him? >> it's very important because you've got to have a strong working majority if you want to change the direction of this country. and that's what this conference wants. that's what paul wants. i mean paul is a big thinker about big ideas, so he needed that vote to be able to get there. and we had to work for it, but i think the conference feels very good about where we are today and i think america will feel very good about where we are in the future. >> what do you think is his biggest challenge out of the gate? >> well, there's always challenges going to a new job, but this isn't so new to paul. think about it. he was the budget chairman and he changed direction of america, how we looked at debt. he was ways and means chairman. he was a vp candidate. so i think that whole combination of experience. and he was a waiter at tortilla
coast. he's never left his roots. and when you listen to his speech, it's about for all americans. i think he's going to unite both sides of the aisle and you'll see big issues being tackled, where other times they were ignored. >> he says he wants to change the process, the committees write the legislation, more power from the bottom going up to the top. is that possible to get done in such a short amount of time or do you think it will take long years of reform? >> i don't think it takes years. nothing happens overnight. we won't solve these problems overnight but that's the direction he will go. it's a bottom up. it's a much better system. we are a house of the people and you want those voices to come forward and all voices to be heard. he's committed to that and that's kind of what his life is. so you'll see the change and the direction over time. >> you're also going to redefine the position of speaker for paul ryan. the expectation that you could be out on the road fund-raising so he has more time with his kids. what can you tell us about that? >> there's different ways to go about doing it. there's a policy on the outside but i've always traveled.
i've gone to more districts than anybody all the time, even the speaker before. i think we'll find a nice combination that everybody can make sure they're there for their family, for their districts and also for their members. >> lastly, any regrets? >> no regrets at all. look, i never ran with the idea to be speaker. i ran with the idea to change this country. had i not made the decision and put the country forward, we would have had a very divided vote in there. i think for the party, for the country, we had a great vote today with the right man at the right time. >> leader mccarthy, thank you very much for your time, we appreciate it. kevin mccarthy from the house gop. >> luke russert on the hill. thank you so much. next up, fallout from last night's republican debate with the candidates going after each other and the media as well. our political panel will weigh in on that, right after this. fa. well that's why i dug this out for you. it's your grandpappy's hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. it meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines.
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jeb bush's campaign reeling after a debate performance that most political analysts say fell far short of expectations. "meet the press" moderator chuck todd said the mood after the debate, quote, felt like a wake for the former florida governor. the debate's defining moment perhaps came early on when bush challenged marco rubio on his attendance record in the senate. >> marco, when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term. and you should be showing up to work. i mean literally, the senate, what is it, like a french workweek? you get like three days where you have to show up? you can campaign. or just resign and let someone else take the job. >> you know how many votes john mccain missed when he was carrying out that furious comeback that you're modeling under? i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason why you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position and someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you. >> rubio's clash with bush is what a lot of folks are talking about today. our gut check question powered by bing pulse today is did his
exchange with jeb bush help marco rubio's campaign? the pulse is live. you can weigh in at pulse.msnbc.com. let's bring in our political panel. susan del percio, also mark caputo joins us from miami. mark, let's start with you. florida your beat. what was your reaction when you saw that exchange between bush and perhaps his one-time protege, marco rubio. >> my reaction was more, more, more. why the cnbc moderator stopped them i have no idea. what we really saw was bush fell into rubio's trap. rubio knew bush was going to come with this. bush came in and got a pretty good shot off with the french workweek but rubio rope-a-doped him. he slipped off the ropes and popped jeb right back and the [ applause ] followed, which was cut off on that clip you played. when you got the applause on your side after delivering a
one-liner, it's pretty devastating and didn't help jeb bush very much. when i watch it and rewatch it i saw that marco scored a point and jeb didn't recover after. >> you could tell that was a one-liner that had been a numbe. >> on both sides, actually. he was ready for that line to come up, whether it was someone on the debate stage or one of the people asking him a question. >> by all accounts -- >> he really, jeb bush or pardon me, he knew it would come up for bush because bush had been pushing this for a long time. rubio came prepared. i don't think he was aware he would get struck like that niunl it was too late. >> how could he not be aware? this is typical of a pattern with jeb bush in the course of this campaign. to say he's not ready for prime time is really minimizing it. >> how can the republican governor of florida not be ready for prime time? >> to bring it back to last night's debate performance, jeb bush had a lot on the line. he had to deliver. a lot of people thought that maybe by going home and being
with his family, they were going to pump him up and get ready to go. he seemed to try and land a punch and when he failed, he just went back into his corner. >> this is a pattern with jeb bush. he's campaigning like he's applying for a country club membership. he just has not gotten out there and been able to not only defend his position but also take on his opponents and he repeated the experience with the debate. what's most compelling about that exchange is not just the way rubio counter-punched but also the way rubio dodged the questions from the moderator about his finances. that was to me, he won't be able to get away with it much longer, certainly not with the democrats, but that was a very telling maneuver. rnl >> i want to play a snippet of what jeb bush said after the debate about his performance. >> running for president of the united states. i'm running with heart. i'm not a performer. if they're looking for entertainer in chief i'm probably not the guy. >> you seem quite frustrated. >> nope, not frustrated. >> no? >> no. i wish i had gotten questions,
you know, got to answer questions on things that are on the minds of people, entitlement challenges, the debt. i got fantasy football. >> he said he's not frustrated and then -- >> but he was frustrated. >> it sounded like he was pretty frustrated. >> right. you know, jeb should know this. one of the things this is a reminder of is that when jeb ran for governor in 1994 and lost, that was his only loss. his other two races were against guys that were easy meat. now for the first time he's in a real republican primary which he hasn't faced before. in a fight, everyone has an equal chance and the best fighter makes their own chances. he didn't make his own chance there. as a result, he spoke less than anyone else on the stage, he was supposed to step up and shine. instead, when he did step up, he got hit, he then as was said earlier kind of stepped back into his corner and was kind of quiet the rest of the night. it's incumbent on the candidates to say look, here's what i believe in, you need to give me the time, let me talk.
bush didn't do that. >> that's exactly what chris christie was able to do from the last debate and this debate, he fought for his time on the stage and was very successful at it. jeb bush is now in that downward spiral everyone said. could he be going into it, yes. when you look at the other folks on the stage, look at ted cruz. he came out with some great sharp replies. >> also didn't answer any of the questions. >> okay. but that's -- democrat or republican, you start looking at these debates, people answer the questions they want to. they have their own agendas and especially in the republican debate -- >> but most of them give the impression they heard the question. >> in fairness, not every debate is totally free of facts and policy. i have seen republican debates much more substantial and democratic debates. here's what's most interesting to me. it wasn't just about jeb bush. look at the way john kasich, who is certainly an accomplished person in government, the way he stood up to the bumper sticker cliches of ben carson -- >> right out of the gate. >> he got the back of the hand
from trump and he disappeared. >> let's talk about, because again, at the beginning of that debate we heard from kasich talking about donald trump. he said with regard to the so-called gotcha questions, take a listen. >> i have asked my staff to reach out to the other campaigns to talk about a change in format, maybe an opportunity to be able to lay out a plan for something and then be questioned about it. and then go to the next, have them lay theirs out and be questioned about it. now, that's something that would be actually useful. >> was that the issue last night? the format? >> he's actually talking about a debate we think of when you have two people arguing points back and forth for 45 minutes. >> not feasible with more than half a dozen. >> you can't answer, you cannot explain your proposals in 60 seconds or less. it's not a reasonable --
>> they didn't even try. let's be realistic. >> the fact is the way the debate formats are set up now, at any level, whether there's two or 20 candidates on the stage, is that it's about getting the best sound bite you can. that's how you win a debate these days. because john kasich certainly had the most substantial proposals out there, and robert is exactly right. he went out there, he called them out and then he went silent and he was done. even though he offered so much. >> there were no great winners in this debate, in my opinion. but the real losers were the republican establishment. the real losers were republicans who want to be competitive in the november election, because you saw the fringe, the extreme fringe which does so well with the republican base do well, and they consistently show -- that base shows no support amongst the general electorate. >> i couldn't disagree more. >> how was it a win for the establishment when arguably, the establishment candidate, jeb bush, after that debate -- >> you also saw how well marco rubio did, which he's going to be probably the turn to after bush, especially on fund-raising.
you saw how well ted cruz did. i know he proposes himself as an outsider. chris christie did a very good job. >> they are all taking the trump-carson rhetoric and policy positions. that's why they're not viable in a general election. >> sounds like you both agree bush is done. >> pretty much. >> he's not done. there's enough time for jeb bush to turn it around. the problem is, i don't think his entire campaign structure, maybe he as a candidate, understand how bad of a candidate he has been and the fact they're not going in the right direction. you might have enough time to get to a certain destination but if you are going the wrong way you're not going to arrive on time. >> we will leave it there. thanks to you. that's going to do it for this hour of "msnbc live." up next, erica hill hosting "andrea mitchell reports." ah! come on! let's hide in the attic. no. in the basement. why can't we just get in the running car? are you crazy? let's hide behind the chainsaws.
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to come in washington. >> thank you, speaker boehner. it's not until you hold this gavel, stand in this spot, look out and see all 435 members of this house as if all america's sitting right in front of you, it's not until then that you feel it. the weight of responsibility. the gravity of the moment. the battle in boulder. the student schools the teacher as marco rubio beats jeb bush at his own game. >> when you signed up for this, this was a six-year term. and you should be showing up to work. i mean, literally, the senate, what is it, like a french work week, you get like three days where you have to show up? >> well, let me tell you, i don't remember you ever complaining about john mccain's vote record. the only reason why you're doing it now is because we're running for the same position and someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help