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tv   The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell  MSNBC  October 29, 2015 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT

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stuck today after free-floating those hundreds of miles. for the record, i once wrote a book called drift him of the unboring of american military but i'm willing to bet that this is not what either of us had in mind. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> well, if you watched the world series last night instead of the republican presidential debate, you missed some verbal fireworks, but you missed nothing and i mean nothing that would have told you which candidates would have been the next future president. debates aren't about nothing, they're about the sound bytes. >> democrats have the ultimate superpac. >> all eyes are on marko rubio.
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what is it? like a french workweek? you get three days where you have to show up? >> this is not a cage match. >> the other guy, on a great night, ted cruz. >> the questions that have been asked so far in th debate illustrate why americans do not trust the media. >> cnbc's republican debate. if you're a fan, you can watch either. >> speaker of the house congressman and honorable paul ryan. >> i never thought i'd be speaker. >> the expression hand, you know, he's got more hand with that group. hand is tough to get. >> john boehner gave paul ryan a huge gift by taking the government shutdown off the table. >> i didn't want him to walk into a dirty barn full of you know what? >> look, you can pass all the deals you want. congress is going to always be full of [bleep], we know that.
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we all know that. >> 24 hours ago, on this network, in this very chair right here, with a few minutes left in the debate, i declared marco rubio to be the winner with ted cruz second and chris christie coming in third. and jeb bush, the biggest loser of the night. that has now become the international wisdom of the political class. but there is bad news for the winners and good news for the biggest loser. the good news for jeb bush is that the next republican debate is only 12 days away which means his bad performance last night only has a shelf life of 12 days, unless, of course, he turns another losing performance in the next debate. and then his candidacy would really would start sliding into the truly hopeless zone. the bad news for the winner is
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that the debate is only 12 days away. and to sustain their momentum, the winners have to be at least as good or better in the next debate. for chris christie, his candidacy is hopeless no matter how well he performs. chris christie has no chance, even in the vice presidential spot because republicans right-hand turn going to go with a kand at the who will be busy testifying at the criminal trials of his staff. the next debate will be moderated by fox business and the wall street journal. those moderators all now have the advantage of having seen the tell bait debate last night and ended up in chaos. >> i've got a deal and an agreement four years later. it's a joke. >> thank you, governor.
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>> they cannot bear. >>' you have a flat tax plan of 10% flat taxes. and i looked at it and this is something that's very appealing to a lot of voters but i have had a really tough time making the math work on this. >> first of all, i didn't say the rate would be 10%. i used the tithing analogy. >> i understand that, but if you look at the numbers -- >> the rate is going to be much closer to 15%. >> 15% still leaves you with a $1.1 trillion hole. >> with all the analysis of last night's debate, including my own analysis, i have yet to hear one word about which candidate was revealed to be the best possible future president of that group.
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we cover the debates like sporting events. winner, losers, we try to guess which candidates impressed the republican audience the most or the democratic audience the most. we evaluate debating skills and that's the problem with debates. presidents don't debate. presidents don't have to think on their feet. presidents never, never have to make a decision alone without advice from advisers who have much more expertise on the subject at hand than they do, forcing presidential candidates to debate is just a bit more relevant to their day to day job as president than forcing them to sing. although singing would give us a better window into their souls. joining us now alex wagner, msnbc host and political analyst. also with us, former political governor of minnesota who ran for president in 2012. stuart stevens, the former chief strategist for mitt romney's presidential campaign.
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alex, which one do you think is the best singer? >> i'm going to go with ted cruz because he has that sort of performance. >> in iowa, the candidates still sing. john hume already in my mind was the greatest politician of his era and it just made me think, wow, all the feeling, all the power, really genuinely, the soul that comes out in those things. but i guess -- >> lawrence, barack obama has sang at pivotal moments of his presidency. serious moments, al green moments have made a difference. >> to my high brow question, which is -- >> as all your questions are. >> what did we learn about the way these candidates would be president if they ever got the job? >> i mean, i think you learn more in the pauses and the interstitials than the answers. we know john kasich would be frustrated. we know that jeb bush would be,
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i think, impatient. we know that ted cruz would be out for ted cruz. and ted cruz's reelection in the fifth, sixth, and seventh and eighth years of his presidency. i think -- i think the answers are useful if we're trying to find a meaningful point for them. i think it's important to hear how they would try and present their ideas. i mean, at the end of the day, part of being president is communicating. and i think in some way, we learn something about how they can convince the american public of their grand ideas to lead the nation in the debate format, because there's certainly no other area where they can do that in this presidential campaign cycle. >> tim, i spoke with one of the presidential debate commissioners four years ago, and i said to him, i think they should get the questions ahead of time because i actually want to hear their best answer. i don't want this off the top of the head stuff. let them think about it. let them consult. what would be wrong with that?
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actually letting them have ten major serious questions ahead of time and let the moderators come up with, you know, four or five, whatever, on the spot that they think add to this. >> first of all, lawrence, jumping back to your concept of singing. >> yeah, go ahead. governor, go ahead. if you want to answer these swinging sweep stakes. >> i want to give you an insight that might be valuable. you could tell he didn't just write those lyrics, he lived them. and there's a correlation between people who can talk about policy issues in a way that's personal because they've lived it or somebody close to them has lived it. and that's not the only thing, but there's an authenticity and a rawness and a realness that comes with that. and that's, i think, part of the reason that people like rubio and cruz and some others have a little more grit and realness to them. as to your point, i think if to
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you gave them canned questions ahead of time, you would get canned answers and you lose the spontaneity. and regardless of the content or the substance of the spontaneity, it shows wittiness, it shows the ability to think quickly on your feet. >> who cares. i don't care how funny the president is, i don't care. >> you want to have people who can inspire. and so you've got to have people who cannot just be smart but also who can inspire. that's part of leadership. some people on the stage last night couldn't do both. >> do you agree with the conventional wisdom scorecard of rubio as the winner, jeb bush as the big loser? and beyond that, tell me what happens to rubio, or the good performers in the debate last night when you look at these polls. let's take a look at the latest cbs/new york times poll, the latest abc poll. donald trump in cbs, the latest poll, is at 22. ben carson at 26. marco rubio 8, jeb bush 7. as you go down the list, there's actually not a lot of undecideds there.
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it seems to me, marco rubio, let's say he takes away from bush. he's only going to take away two points from bush. he's going to have to take point ace way from ben carson or donald trump or both. do you see that happening? >> i wish that governor pawlenty was running this year and i wish he would have been in the debate last night. i think he would have hit it out of the park. look, i think that these polls are fairly meaningless. i think when you call up somebody and ask them who you're supporting now, you don't think about it a lot. this is all about who's going to win these first four states. the first four states in my view function basically as playoffs. if you're in second or third or fourth place in a state like, say, florida now, i don't see why losing the first four states is going to elevate you into serious contention. so i think it's either -- the question to be asking is who's going to win iowa, who's going to win new hampshire, who's going to win south carolina, who's going to win iowa. >> answer those quickly. who's going to win?
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>> i think probably if i had to bet, carson or cruz will probably win iowa. new hampshire, i think it's a very cluttered landscape. i don't have a feel for it. i think one of the realities here that we hadn't focused on enough is a difference in the calendar this year than the last two cycles. we had the iowa caucuses right after the first of the year in the last two cycles. nobody wants to focus on this on christmas, it's terrible. now we have all of january. iowa caucuses are february 1. i think a lot of people are really not going to start thinking about this seriously until they wake up with hangovers after the first of the year. >> alex wagner does her best thinking with hangovers. that's always worked for you. >> most of us do. >> clarity. >> tim pawlenty, what do you see happening in new hampshire? i think we have -- iowa will go to whoever is that most extreme conservative they can find. but stew stuart is confused
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about what happens when we get to new hampshire. we all are. >> i agree with his analysis about iowa. it probably trends towards cruz or carson. but let me just suggest to you this again, i don't think trump or carson are necessarily going to be the nominees, and as those votes recontribute, carson is essentially a place holder in large part for the faith-based vote. trump is in large part a place holder if for the tea party vote plus some other enhancements, and as that gets redistributed, that ire likely to go to ruz cruz. but i would also say there's other candidates who can stitch together the two main constituencies in the republican party. grassroots conservative activists and the establishment. for example, rubio may not be the grass root activist first choice, but he's acceptable to them. and he doesn't scare the establishment. he can knit together coalition and a few others can,s too. >> everyone is forgetting that marco rubio has a big problem on the immigration issue with this base.
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>> right. and the minute marco rubio is truly in contention -- jeb bush went after marco rubio on his attendance record. jeb bush could have gone after marco rubio and said a much more substantive point, are you the man that you propose to be. you've done a 180 on something that's so close to you and part of your american story, which is immigration. i think it's just a matter of time. if rubio becomes a real threat, i mean, that's his achilles heel and you will hear more of that. >> tim pawlenty, thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, the republican candidates all think that hillary clinton has already won the democratic presidential nomination. and rush limbaugh thinks that hillary clinton has already won the presidency. you have two choices; the easy way or the hard way. you could choose a card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or, you could make things easier on yourself. that's right, the quicksilver card from capital one.
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white house. >> i'm not running against anyone on the stage pip'm running for president because there's no by we can elect hillary clinton to continue the poll so i was barack obama. >> the mid 8le class has $2,300 left in their pockets the day that barack obama got elected president and now they say hillary clinton proposing a third term of economic policy for our country. we need to reverse that. mine was one of cut taxes. >> i can assure you that i am hillary clinton's worst nightmare. i will tell you this, i will beat hillary clinton. >> this afternoon in new hampshire, hillary clinton said this in last night's debate. >> i heard a lot of insults and a lot of back an forth between the various candidates. you would have been better off watching the world series because the debate in my view was a swing and a miss and didn't really further the national conversation we need to
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be having with each other. >> joining us now, joe kleine and author of the new book "charlie mike -- a true story of heroes who brought their mission home." joe kleine, they are running as if hillary already has this nomination. who looks like her most difficult challenge in the general election if she does get the nomination? >> well, i think that it would be a combination of candidates from florida and ohio. if it were rubio or bush and kasich, i think that that's a pretty formidable ticket. but right now, bush is where john kerry was, you might remember, at this point in 2003. and donald trump and ben carson are playing the role of howard dean. i don't know. i mean, i don't know whether the planet wing nut wing of the republican party is going tok dominant in the end.
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if they are, hillary clinton is your next president. but if they are, they put together a ticket of serious conservative governors, like bush and kasich, or rubio and kasich. then i think they have a shot. >> and alex wagner, the problem with serious governor bush is that he's just not performing on the public stage of this campaign. >> he is just not performing you would period. law yens, i like that we keep giving bush this sort of open door. i'm not quite sure why. >> i think it's process of elimination. there's too many nuts up on the stage. once you get the nuts off the stage there's very few people left. >> and he has the operation to execute. when it comes to actual ground gaming, bush is an actual person that can be in contention, but he's been abysmal in his candidacy. he still can't answer the question of the bush legacy. this is not a person who's gotten bet we are time.
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he's gotten worse. and i agree with joe. i think if kasich can get past the -- to the point where he's actually considered, sure, but at this point, i think if you're going to see a primary process that's radically different from the beginning to the end. and the candidates who win the early primaries are not going to be the ones who win the later primaries by a long stretch. >> insiders have been saying that on paper john kasich would actually be the most difficult challenge for hillary clinton. john kasich is still saying that, although the polls aren't supporting his route to the nomination. how do you see it? >> i think john kasich a very serious person who's won a big state in a big way. so is chris christie who -- >> come on, come on. >> i think you're wrong to discount. there's only one candidate being investigated by the fbi and that's hillary clinton and no one seems to think that's a problem. two weeks ago everybody was writing off hillary clinton, she
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was in a trough. now they're saying she's won the nomination and nobody's voted. that's how politics work. you know? you have a good night, you're able to change the narrative and all of a sudden, everything starts working for you. you would have to give this process a chance. it's going to be who can step up in the big moments when people are really focused and making up their minds. and right now, i don't think people are making up their minds. i think that they're shopping. billions of dollars have been spent trying to get people to do christmas shopping early to little effect. i think this is going to change in january. >> let's listen to what marco rubio said on "good morning america" she's shown humorously to be brushing off her shoulder. rubio doesn't like that. let's listen to that. >> i found it outrageous she's using video from the benghazi hearing to show her brushing something off her shoulder.
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as far as taking her on, i can tell you this, if i'm the nominee, we will be the part of the future and the democrat will be exposed as big government ideas of the past. >> joe kleine, last night, marco rubio took the big benghazi shot at hillary in the debate. sorry, joe. he chose the most effective angle against her. >> lawrence, he would have a point if the benghazi were about the deaths of four americans in that consulate as cia station. which is actually what it was, a cia station. but the hearing was about sidney bloomenthal and whether hillary clinton slept alone that night at home. it was a ridiculous hearing. i've been out on the road with him and he's very effective when he talks about the economy.
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he's one of the few people who talks about the economy as it exists now and as it's going to exist in the future and how we train people for that economy. but i got to say, when it comes to foreign policy, he's stepping in the field of conservatives we haven't seen in 50 years. >> who is on the republican side? >> rand paul. ted cruz is one taking a much less aggressive standpoint. and while i'm at it, let me say stuart stevens is exactly right. ask the ben carson voters in iowa how firm they are in the voting, 70% of them say they may change their minds. but then that's the way things are in iowa. this is my 11th iowa -- god help me -- and i've seen the thing change over the in take of a single breath. >> so alex, who do the democrats
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>> rush limbaugh is not happy. i know that's not news, but now he says that john boehner's bipartisan budget deal pretty much hands the presidency to hillary clinton. >> how does the budget deal pave the way for hillary clinton? folks, it's real simple. over half of any republican candidate's campaign arsenal has just been neutered. the republican party cannot campaign by running around blaming the democrats for destroying the budget, for overspending, for threatening the very fabric economically of the country. they can't do it. this is the republican budget deal that barack obama cannot wait to sign. >> joining us now, the senior editor for the atlantic and david corn. does rush limbaugh have a point?
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>> no. he's saying republicans will be honor bound by facts. i don't think so. they will call hillary clinton a social radical, maybe even a credit muslim as well. what happens in reality is not going to change what they say. last night, we could document literally dozens of statements that were completely false. they were repeating even things that have been fact checked years ago. so i don't think he has to worry about republicans sticking to the facts in 2016. >> let's let rush limbaugh continue to make his point. he had a little bit more to say about what republicans thought they were getting out of this deal. let's listen to this.
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>> republicans look at it as if they're taking themselves oouft any political risk circumstance. >> that may be, but the way they did it was to sensually act like democrats in putting together this budget. when you can't go after the democratic presidential nominee for who she is and what she will do and why you don't want to happen because you already made sure it will happen, what in the world are you going to campaign against her on? >> david frum, bernie sanders has said he's in favor of this. hillary clinton, presumably in favor of this budget deal. she gets to say yeah, i'm in favor of the deal that paul ryan agreed to and voted on. >> the budget crises and default in 2013 is ancient memory. but if there were to be a crisis for american credit, if checks were to stop issues, that would
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be a comparatively fresh memory a year from now, and that would be disastrous. republicans will have ample opportunity to make a sharp distinction against hillary clinton. they will be talking about the whole future direction of government spending as more and more of the baby boomers retire. 1958 is the peak year of the baby boom. and those workers are going to be coming in the next while to retirement, to social security and medicare. and the defense of their interest is going to be a crucial dividing line between
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the two parties. but i think ultimately the answer to rush limbaugh is to say republicans will be making a terrible mistake if they run on the abstract issue on the size of government. most people don't know how big government is and they don't really care. what they care about is what government does and who it does it for. and the parties are going to have ample contrast on that issue. >> rand paul last night in the debate said he promised he's going to filibuster this budget deal today in washington. he h did exactly that for a grand total of 18 minutes. let's listen to some of that. >> it disappoints me greater than i can possibly express that the party i belong to, that should be the conservative party doesn't appear to be conservative. in the house they voted on this yesterday. you know what the vote was? 2-1 among republican to say this is a god awful deal and we shouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. it's a terrible deal. it's irresponsible. it shows a lack of conserve for our country and it should go down in defeat. >> we had a right to expect rand paul, ted cruz, marco rubio up on the senate floor today fighting this thing, dragging it out for hours, whatever they could possibly do. that didn't happen. >> it ice like he's running a
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move, honey, i shrunk my campaign. i will filibuster this and it's 18 minutes. i think they understand the other level that david was making. if you have a government shutdown, if you have a financial crisis because of a debt ceiling is not raised, it really is bad for whoever the republican nominee is, let alone republicans running for re-election next year in the house and senate. there has to be some degree of sanity amongst the republican party that they saw that. john boehner certainly knew that. he had to give up his job to save the republicans from themselves and this point. but he nobly did that and basically took that tough task away from paul ryan. democrats, while they like the deal, probably don't like the fact that this saved the republicans from themselves.
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>> and if my count is correct, that's the fist time the house of representatives has thanked speaker boehner. paul ryan won the speakership today with the support of all but nine republicans. john boehner's final act as speaker was cleaning out the barn for paul ryan. >> i didn't want him to walk into a dirty barn full of you know what. >> and so yesterday, john boehner pushed an agreement through the house to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling through march 2017. every democrat in the house, 187 of them voted for that deal. only 79 house republicans voted for it, including paul ryan. 167 republicans opposed it. as did all of the republican presidential candidates. >> did you see the recent deal announced today or yesterday. more spending, more tax increasing, more regulation. >> this is the unholy alliance that people need to know about between right and left. right and left are is spending
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us into oblivion. we should use the debt ceiling to force upon them budgetary reform. >> so this deal in washington is an example why washington is broken. republican leadership joined with every single democrat to add $80 trillion to our debt to do nothing to fix the problems. >> he couldn't possibly have meant $80 trillion to the debt. but even ted cruz meant $80 billion, he still is wrong. the budget office estimates the budget deal will add exactly zero to the deficit. back with us, david frum and david corn. david corn, this new speakership has had one half day of peace, at least. how many more? >> well, the day is not quite over yet. >> that's right. >> but let's assume that paul ryan made it to bed safely tonight. i mean, as i said earlier, speaker boehner -- exspeaker boehner did a tremendous jo nb cleaning out the you know what
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for paul ryan, because he was ability to walk into a thrasher on this. the issue is, what could be the next fight that the tea party, freedom caucus is going to dig that you are heels in and say our way or the highway. is it going to be planned parenthood funding? i don't know. they can't shut down the government or threaten the debt crisis -- a debt crisis for a year, a year and a half, you know, maybe two years even. it ghifs ryan running room here. the house isn't spending much time in session in the next few months. so maybe they can rest up and figure out how to have good fights come january. >> a pretty messy way for republicans to get something done in the house. first the speaker announces his resignation, then on the way out the door, he puts something through with democratic votes. >> that time it's a littleless
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messy, the deal that brought ryan to power also cuts away a lot of the power of the caucus to give trouble to the speaker. paul ryan will be a much more powerful speaker than speaker boehner was. there's going to be no challenges to his rule. there can't be vote against him. this area of crisis has been removed. i think we're also going to move -- and i hesitate to make predictions because they so often turn out to be wrong and then you look foolish and they're on videotape. but let me try one. >> all right, we're going to save this videotape, go ahead. >> we're going to move into an era into which the political issues are going to change. we're going to moving into an era when the debt will be shrinking. it's uncertain whether the can pay their medicare and social security bills, that's going to shrink a little bit. the next big internal battle is going to be the battle over
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immigration, either in this administration or the next. and that's going to cleave the republican party in many ways. freedom caucus and tea party are split. there are some who are opposed to the obama solution and others that are more concerned. as donald trump illustrated, it's an explosive one within the republican party and maybe not just within the republican party. >> paul ryan has promised his republicans, i won't put you through any votes on this until the next president at the earliest. >> that creates breathing room, and then i don't know what they're going to be able to get built on donald's wall, whether he's president or not. there are national security issues that will come up in the next couple of months that could actually divide republicans and
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democrat as we' seen in the past. and there will be appropriation fights starting next year. but for now, ryan has some ability here to sort of sit down with other leaders of congress including the democratss and find areas of agreement. will the tea party people insist that he puts up obama care repeal again and again for votes or not. it remains to be seen what type of political player he can be. we know where he is on policy and he's put forward budgets in the past that have been very good for wealthy taxpayers. but how he acts as a political player at the top of capitol hill. there's no way of knowing. >> the davids, corn and frum. thank you both very much for joining me tonight. we appreciate it. coming up, bernie sanders versus hillary clinton on the death penalty. guess which one of them is in favor of it and which one opposes the death penalty.
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it's a simple question. what's in your wallet? >> we have a lot of evidence now that the death penalty has been too frequency applied and very unfortunately often times in a discriminatory way. i think we have to take a hard look at it. i do no favor abolishing it, however, because i think there are certain egregious cases that still deserve the consideration of the death penalty. but i would like to see those be very limited and rare as os poed to what we have seen in some states. >> that was hillary clinton in new hampshire yesterday. today bernie sanders went to the senate floor and said this -- >> i believe the time is now for the united states to end capital punishment.
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prge! a manufacturer. well that's why i dug this out for you. it's your grandpappy's hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. it meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines. but i'll be writing the code that will allow those machines to share information with each other. i'll be changing the way the world works. (interrupting) you can't pick it up, can you? go ahead. he can't lift the hammer. it's okay though! you're going to change the world. >> nbc's tom brokaw, the author of the greatest generation says this about charlie mike, joe klein's new book. joe klein has done a national service, telling us the inspirational store i ares of vet in the iraq and afghanistan wars returning home. this is the can-do generation and this book honors their nontop citizenship.
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joe klein is back with us. explain the title "charlie mike." >> that means continue the mission in military code. and this is a book about two veterans of iraq and afghanistan who continued their mission when they came home and started brilliant public service organizations that have saved lives and really are in a way an example for the rest of us. >> one of the things about the spirit of military commitment, real commitment to that service is in my experience and the people i've known in it, it's never a commitment to yourself. the it's always a commitment to others. the team, the people you're serving. in this case, possibly people in afghanistan you're serving. but this is always a commitment to others. >> well, yeah, i wouldn't have written this book if i hadn't gone over there and embedded
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with our troops and watched them try to govern these towns under hellish circumstances and try to provide public works in these towns under hellish circumstances. i had this idea that if they can do that over there, maybe they're going to come back here and do it as well. and it's interesting. when you say about commitment to others and being a part of something larger than yourself, it's something i learned about during the course of this book. you hear an awful lot about post traumatic stress and the other problems that veterans are having. and what i've discovered is that post traumatic stress isn't only about the things that you saw and did over there. it's about coming home and losing the community that you had over there. the sense of purpose that you had over there. the brothers and sisters that you had over there. you come back to this country where nothing is asked of you. you know? politicians talk an awful lot about our rights and our opportunities. but they don't talk so much
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about our responsibilities as citizens. and these kids, every last one of whom volunteered for service, every last one of them come back with a sense of responsibility. over 90% of them according to the surveys want to continue serving in their communities. and i think we've got a lot to learn from them. >> joe, you focus on the personal stories of two individuals, eric who is a navy sale, jake wood who is a marine sergeant, and you reveal how they missed, once they were back here, they missed these feelings, these russians you could get from the positive things that they were doing in iraq and afghanistan. >> well, eric who is a navy s.e.a.l. is a stone humanitarian. probably the only navy s.e.a.l. who ever worked for mother teresa. when he visited wounded troops at bethesda naval hospital, he asked them what they wanted to do next and they said, i want to go back to my unit. and if you can't do that?
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i want to become a little league coach or go to work in my community in some way. and eric came up with four words that are really important to tell veterans in addition to thank you for your service. he said we still need you. jake is sitting on his couch in los angeles and he sees the haiti earthquake and he calls up a bunch of his marine buddies and they get on a plane, add some doctors to their team and within four days, they're running the largest emergency room in the largest hospital in port-au-prince. i asked him, how on earth did you manage to do that? he said i'm a marine. i do chaos. >> it's what tom brokaw was talking about when he talks about this book, that can-do, that ability to just keep getting things done. one of my uncles was a general world war ii, korean war, vietnam. and at the end of his career, he ended up in one of those civilian jobs, executive jobs. i went and visited him. took me around the factory of
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the country he was working in with he wasn't in service anymore. he was very conscious of that. he had an income but he really didn't have the feeling that he wanted to have. >> i've been out on service project where is the mission continues and on deployments with team rubicon who does disaster relief. and i've got to say it is incredibly exhilarating to do. scene the more the rest of us take a lesson from this and the more the rest of us figure out ways to seriously serve our country, i think the strongest our democracy is going to be. thanks. >> joe, i'm actually off to get some of that exhilaration next week in africa. i'm going to tell the audience about it. >> good for you. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. i'm going to be off to africa next week to work on our project of providing desks for schools in malawi. while i'm over there, i will try to tweet some pictures of the kids at their new desks, the
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desks that you have paid for. i will try to do that whenever i'm in range of a cell signal, which isn't very often. and i will be back in time for the next republican presidential debate. chris hayes is up next. the morning after, let's play "hardball." >> good evening, i'm chris matthews up in new york, paraphrase an old commercial, the republicans sure thing of jeb bush is now the gop's lost cause. marco rubio and ted cruz delivered and the republicans are coming down to the brutal awarenes

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