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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. follow lockup producers and crews as they go behind the walls of america's prisons and jails with the scenes you've never seen. lockup: raw. in jail as opposed to prison, most inmates are only accused of crimes. you're awaiting trial at the resolution of their cases. but that doesn't everyone is on their best behavior. >> how much [ bleep ] got a problem with me, i'll go to the hole every -- i don't give a
[ bleep ]. >> [ bleep ]. >> david. >> you see it in every booking department of every jail we visit. >> you done fighting? >> no. >> newly arrested men and women, so drunk or high, they're a danger to themselves or others. >> somebody gets drunk, they're more aggressive. they think they can do anything. they're strong. you can't stop me. and you got to deal with that. it can be dangerous, real dangerous. >> you feel suicidal, to harm yourself? [ bleep ]. >> i'll take that as a no. >> addiction leads to serious crimes in order to support your habits. for others, it means a revolving door for jail with seemingly no end in sight.
in charleston south carolina, at the detention center, eugene foster fell into the latter category. >> have you been arrested before? >> my rap sheet about as long as your arm. just a drunk [ bleep ]. >> foster says his rap sheet dates back 30 years to when he was 18. he's been convicted of numerous crimes. >> he's usually not a problem. comes in, does his thing. he knows the process. >> foster? >> step up here, sir. >> how many times can you estimate you've probably seen him since you've been working here? >> at least 30, 40 times. >> do you drink any alcohol today? >> yeah. as much as i can get. right up to where i got arrested. >> this time, foster was brought in on a probation violation for urinating in public. >> did you urinate in public? >> no. i went behind a wall. i wouldn't do that. i do have morals. >> how much have you had to drink tonight?
>> oh, maybe i equivalent of four quarts, something like that. off and on. i didn't do it all at once. >> what i'm going to do, if you stay here, i'm going to have you sign another release once i know that all of the alcohol is out of your system, okay? >> okay. >> we always ask permission to film somebody. whenever we do that with a person who may be under the influence, we follow-up a couple days later to make sure that they remember who we are, remember that we were filming with them and to make sure it's okay if we continue filming with them to tell their story. >> you're self-proclaimed alcoholic. talk to me about that. >> i don't know. i started drinking as a cool idea around about the age of 13. you know, everybody was doing it. i figured oh, i'd try it. at first it was fun, you know. then it kept on being fun until about 29 when i really started getting in trouble. one thing about alcohol, it's like doing a life sentence on the installment plan.
>> foster has had dozens of short jail stays on less serious charges, he once served three years in prison for assault and battery. by his drinking cost him more than just time. >> what's your lifelike? have you been married? do you have children? >> i don't think i've been sober enough to actually have a relationship with a woman and it seems to be, sometimes i feel like at 48 i could have done better. >> have you ever thought about truly quitting drinking? >> i did. as a matter of fact, couple of days ago i woke up and said i really don't feel like it. i spent the day in the park, i read a book. i said i forgot how much i actually enjoy this. i don't know. it seems like when you want to quit something, like quit smoking, four people will come out of nowhere with 50 pack of cigarettes and want you to have one. i don't know why it works that way. the first thing that's going to happen is the last thing you want. it's a way of life, i guess. >> you said seems like you're
chronic alcoholic. how much longer do you think you're going to make it? and what do you see as your end? >> i don't know. if i don't quit, i'll probably maybe 70-something. but if i keep going like this, i don't think i'll live to see 60. >> in another part of the charleston jail, 26-year-old cory youngman is nearly as well-known as foster. >> you got no -- at home. >> we don't have the accommodation for that, sir. >> cory youngman was typical of a lot of the drug addict we'd interview. he was young, he was kind of cocky. >> i hope my son's mother doesn't see this. >> always in the mirror. he's in jail in the mirror. fixing his hair. >> what is it about the hair? >> the hair. >> i just kind of started it out
of boredom and i like it. it's probably not something -- maybe i'll keep it when i go to school. it's not like you can walk into a place and get a job. guy with the mohawk came looking for a job, you know. he's still on drugs. look at the mohawk. >> youngman says he's been using drugs and alcohol since he was 13 years old. >> i have to say every good thing i've had in my life at one time or another, everything going for myself, i've seemed to ruin it somehow through drug use. >> youngman served time on prior drug-related convictions and was facing a litany of new charges, including driving under the influence. >> when i woke up in the hospital, i wasn't aware of what was going on. i had a head injury, my nose was broken and my shoulder got broken. >> we met him before he was sentenced to two years in prison leaving behind two sons, a 9-year-old and a 2-year-old. >> when i'm not on drugs, i'm a good father, friend and family member. i can be a completely different
person. for my mom to be here after these times i put her through these things is just amazing to me. >> in fact, his mother is what makes cory youngman so well-known here. officer youngman works at the jail. >> what's it like for you, working in the same jail where your son is incarcerated? >> i don't think about it. i do my job, i go home. any parent of a drug addict, you sleep so much better when they're in jail. is that horrible? but you do. they're not out there dying, overdosing, committing crimes. >> it's got to be embarrassing for her, you know, to come to work and oh, yeah, i seen your son over in the other unit. it's shameful for me and i would imagine more so for her seeing how she's the innocent in this. she didn't do anything for me to be here. >> sometimes you got to go through the hard stuff to get to where the good stuff is, i guess. >> jail policy does not allow officer youngman to work in cory's housing unit.
but most of the staff who do work there are aware of the relationship. >> she's in a sad situation because her son is locked up here and i know she's embarrassed that he is here. but everybody supports her and nobody says anything to her about him because everybody knows what the situation is, so it's one of those unspoken things. >> do you ever play the mom card? my mom is an officer here. have you ever played that card? >> tell me about that. >> you play that card sometimes. most of the time it doesn't work. it never works. >> he tries to use his mom as a manipulative tool here. i tell him all the time, stop talking about your mom. i don't want to know nothing about your mom. don't jeopardize your mom's job. from then on, he don't say much to me and i don't say much to him. >> like any other parent, youngman is only allowed to see him as a civilian in the visitation center where she can speak to him through a video feed.
>> i don't go often. it's probably been a couple months because when i come, it means i just feel like i'm a jail worker. don't talk to him on the phone, put money in his account. >> officer youngman, was to me the epitome of what happens to a drug addict's family member. she embodied all the pain and sorrow that a family member has when someone they love has a drug addiction. >> it's hard for all parents. these guys parents, everybody has a parent. when they come here and on drugs, i don't -- i tell them, i say they're like well, it's only a problem when i don't have them. it's only a problem for you when you don't have them. you don't know what it's doing to your family. when they're out there on the streets doing that stuff, they don't have a clue. >> coming up --
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according to the national council on alcoholism and drug dependence, nearly 50% of all inmates in jails or prisons today are clinically addicted to drugs. if you ask a lockup producer what the inmates are telling them, that number would be much higher. >> the biggest thing is heroin. people using heroin. people dying from heroin. the other part of heroin or other drug addiction is you need money to buy it. >> at the suffolk county jail on long island, sheriff vincent demarco says one drug is wreaking havoc and especially in
the northeastern united states. >> ate love of people are in here because they committed burglaries, robberies, maybe even murders. but the underlying theme to committing those crimes is heroin. they need to feed the habit. >> this is rock bottom, i think. this is definitely rock bottom for me. >> suffolk county inmate cara debell a recently pled guilty to identity theft, crimes she committed to support her heroin addiction. >> there's no reason i should be like this. i have a family that's wonderful and supported. i wasn't abused. nothing like that happened to me. i graduated st. john's in finance. after that i went on to work in a brokerage firm. i did really well there. but then that's when i started really getting into drugs. >> how much money do you think you spent on heroin? >> half a mill. i sold like a bmw car, i stole thousands of dollars from my
mom. i went through my dad's inheritance. it's taken a toll not only mentally but also on my arms and everything about me physically. that's pretty drastic, you know. >> pretty big assets you got. >> you could have lost your arm. >> yeah. i know you guys were staring at my arms like this girl's crazy. >> i didn't think you were crazy. honestly, i'm glad that mine -- >> don't look like this? >> yeah. >> i shot all my arms, you can see here. i was shooting over here straight into the -- i could go to the vein there. i was shooting right there for a while. i was shooting in my feet, too. i got an abscess there. everything up here is all you can see, it's gone, collapsed vein. >> one of the most severe cases i've ever seen of track marks. i've seen different versions and yours look blue.
>> the blue is from skin popping and shooting up cocaine. the cocaine is so dirty that it also will leave marks. i have an abscess here that had to be cut out. this one obviously is a big one when i almost lost my arm. you would think to yourselves, after you have an abscess cut out, you almost lose your arm, you would say i wouldn't do her wynn again. but no, i want to do it. it's going to be an uphill road for me. >> suffolk county, precomprehensive drug rehab program for inmates. but since she's on drugs for anxiety and depression, she doesn't qualify. she's tried to stay clean in spite of the fact that other drugs are smuggled into the jail. >> a ridiculous amount, like money here. $30 a bag. that's number one. i'm pretty cheap. other than that, i don't know what it is. i don't know if it's going to be
fake or not or -- i don't know. i'm not bothering with it. i've been clean for this long, i want to give it a shot. if i can't stay clean in here, i'll never make it on the street. >> they house thousands of heroin addicts and now an investigator decided to get to know one of them better. >> i'm a heroin addict. i got abscess in my arm. i was doing 55 bags a day. >> you were doing 55 bags day? >> he put word out that he's looking to buy drugs from anybody who has drugs. >> richard valentino was arrested in a countywide heroin bust while on parole for burglary. as a result, he will transfer back to state prison to complete a two-year sentence. >> when you buy your heroin, in new york city? >> in bronx. >> [ bleep ]. i was paying a lot out there. i was paying 800. >> you use half, sell half? >> no. >> how do you --
>> gambling. >> casino, poker, dice. >> that's how you make your money. that's a big habit. >> i can build my tolerance up. in the morning, because i've been doing heroin since i was 15. in the morning i can do a little bit. and do a little more. do a little more and i build my tolerance up. i got a golf ball fricking abscess on my arm. they said i was pretty much dead. i sat in the hospital for four days. >> okay. all right. let's take him back to detention. >> while santa cruz's interview doesn't reveal drug smuggling. they have state mandated -- is a way by which drugs penetrate the facility. she was caught trying to pass balloons of heroin from her bra to her boyfriend. these and others were foiled by gathering intelligence from the inmate population. >> we have people that we work with who are inmates. we develop a rapport with them. as we talk to them, watch this person coming in or if we have information, somebody is going to come in, they'll do it and they get ahold of us and say the
person has it. coming up -- >> do you have any oxycontin? >> a new tip puts more heat on richard valentino. >> but first. >> i'm trying so hard not to -- not to what? >> throw up. >> a new inmate suffers the painful effects of withdrawal. o. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line.
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america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse. >> back in 1971, president richard nixon sent a message to congress. in it, he called drug abuse public enemy number one and he also used another phrase. the war on drugs. >> in order to beat this enemy, it is necessary to wage a new all-out offensive. >> nixon was actually one of the
last presidents to spend more on treatment and rehab than law enforcement. but there's no mistaking that he viewed drug use as a criminal act. >> many would argue that president nixon set the stage. the drug-related mass incarceration. >> within the last several years, i think america has come to its senses about drug abuse. >> in the 1980s, the war on drugs escalated dramatically. under the reagan administration, arrests for drug offenses rose. new mandatory sentencing laws sent more people to prison for more time than ever. >> most experts agree we've lost the war on drugs. we see the casualties of that war all the time on lockup. we hope by covering their stories that maybe we're sending a message to someone who might be considering experimenting with an addictive drug that it's not a good idea. because we see the wreckage of those decisions all the time.
19-year-old kayla jones says she was at an all new low the day we met her at the tulsa county jail. >> the reason why i got here is because i'm going through heroin withdrawals. >> erin chose to stay on the floor because she needed to have access to the restroom if need be because she would have diarrhea. she had the bucket because she was continuously vomiting. to be on a top bunk where she was assigned, obviously, wasn't conducive for her going through this kind of a situation. >> i'm trying so hard not to -- >> not to what? >> throw up. >> jones told us she had been using heroin for three years and the withdrawal was the worst thing she'd ever experienced. >> take me through that. what does that feel like?
>> first the sneezing. you sneeze a lot. and continuously. it's a-choo, a-choo. and then you'll start getting the cold chills. and then after that you'll start getting real sick to your stomach and you'll be throwing up both ways. both ends. you can't sleep. you can't get comfortable. you can't just -- it's just the most uncomfortable feeling. >> it was a very visceral experience. i've had so many heroin addicts tell me what it was like to go through withdrawal, but it was always past tense. right in front of us, she was going through all those symptoms. she was having fevers, she was throwing up. she was in the midst of withdrawal while talking to us. >> i can only imagine this pain is pretty severe. if you had access to heroin
right now -- >> yeah. i would. >> you would what? >> use. >> jones was arrested for missing a court date. at the time she was high on heroin and on parole for crimes for burglary including stolen merchandise. her decision has impacted others as well. she has a 7-month-old son whose father, jones' boyfriend was also in jail on drug-related charges. >> i used one time during my pregnancy and i remember thinking, after i did it, i admit i did it because -- it's just an addiction. i mean, that's how bad it is. >> the child welfare department took custody of jones' baby and eventually placed him with her boyfriend's parents. >> that's how strong the addiction is. for my own flesh and blood i can't quit by myself.
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illegal substance but it's not a drug. >> valentino. we got information that he has hundred dollar bills that he smuggled in. the tip came from the inmate network of confidential informants. >> we receive information from an informant that an inmate over in pod 3 west north when he was arrested about two weeks ago came in with five $100 bills. last week he got rid of two of them. we're going in under the guise that we're looking for roxys, the pills. the suspect is richard valentino. the ruse is to protect the informant's identity based on the assumption that he's only told a few inmates that he has cash, which in jail is considered contraband. >> do you have anything on you? any roxy contin. >> nothing? >> i have nothing. >> if i find something on you, it's going to be on. nothing at all? don't lie to me. >> no. >> did talk to you about roxys? >> not at all? >> money in a jail is actual power. they can buy things from it. they can buy drugs, buy whatever they want. phone call time. that's why we have no cash in the jail. one shirt at a time. hand me the shirt. >> once we hear somebody has
cash in a jail, it causes problems. other inmates will beat him up, take the money and they'll drop it in an envelope and send it out to their families. that's how it gets out. >> hands down. take off your left shoe. >> object wrapped in cellophane is found inside his sock. >> what is it? >> you got money? what's that? >> that's money. >> what do you mean it's money? >> it's money. >> how much? >> it's just a hundred. >> how much did you bring in? >> i had it when i came? >> i brought in $200. >> what did you do the other? >> i was going to bring it upstate with me. >> you have nothing else on your body? >> i have nothing else. >> i'm going to finish searching you. take your drawers off. hand them to me -- all right. bend over at your waist, spread your cheeks apart. >> investigator santa cruz completes the strip search but doesn't find any more cash. >> no drugs in your cell. when i search this i'm not going to find anything? >> no. >> go on the wall. >> investigator santa cruz and camino search the cell for additional contraband. he will soon have a disciplinary
hearing which could result in a stay in segregation. >> are you top or bottom bunk? >> if officials choose to, they can also rescind days. valentino has taken off the sentence due to good behavior. nothing else turns up. the majority of jails and prisons in which we visited deal with illegal drug use inside the facilities on a daily basis. at the hamilton county justice center in cincinnati, ohio, we met an inmate who got hold of some heroin, snorting it was nearly the last thing he did. >> what happened here? >> i died. i was in a respiratory arrest. my heart stopped. cpr brought me back. >> you were technically dead? >> i was dead. >> your heart stopped? >> that's what they tell me. >> he was found unresponsive in his cell. they had to call the ems team. they came in and determined he was overdosing on some kind of narcotic. >> the guy slipped it under my door. i did about half of it. the next thing i know, blurted out and i wake up to that ten cos around me and paramedics
around me. >> he was in very bad shape. his respirations were down to a few times a minute. i know he was turning a bluish color. >> after an overnight stay at a nearby hospital, o'neal was brought back to jail and placed on suicide watch. >> they put me on suicide watch because there was the potential to kill myself. it was an attempt to get high. there's not much to stimulate your mind, you can read, play dominos, play chess or watch tv. when somebody offers you heroin, you know, which is something you never hear about being in jail, i mean, i'm i heroin addict. i'm going to say yes. >> o'neal says he mixed the heroin with clonopin. an anti-anxiety drug. >> all the prescription meds he took he had gotten from other inmates who ordered them on the unit. that happens every day. >> we prescribe medications to help with all kinds of issues, whether it's pain, stress, some kind of withdrawal medication. but the inmates always find a way to abuse them. the majority of the inmate
population is in here for some kind of drug charges. they'll use whatever they have at their disposal to try to get high. i've seen them put it in the side of their cheek and try to show the officer and it would be in the side of the mouth when they lift their tongue and hope they get away with it. there's people who slip it down their sleeves like a magic trick. >> if someone offered it now? >> no, no. probably kill me right now. my body is so weak from my heart stopping. >> o'neal has three prior felony convictions for heroin possession. he's back in jail on the same charge again. he pled not guilty and was awaiting trial. >> my story is nothing special. it really isn't. everybody has the same story as me. they're in here because they're
a heroin addict. once upon a time, a few years back or however long ago, they tried shooting up with a needle and fell in love. i truly believe that on the day that you die, if you have spent more time in your life happy than you have sad, i believe you've won and honestly, drugs i enjoy them. i have fun when i'm on them. the people i'm surrounded with while on them, i have fun with them. i guess that keeps me going. >> it seemed like he was looking back on it in a fond way. to me, that's not somebody who is going to change when they get out of jail. they're going to back to what made them happy on the outside. >> we spoke to o'neal six days after his near-death experience and he was adamant about wanting to kick his habit. >> because i'm ready. i'm tired of it. i'm ready. i'm ready now to stop. i've been doing it for too long.
>> so while we were interviewing nicholas in his cell, he mentioned he had to take a break to use the bathroom. so he went -- we had all of our gear set up in the cell. he said it's no big deal, i'll go downstairs. he went downstairs and when he came back up, he didn't seem quite himself. >> tell me about yourself. you're from cincinnati? >> eastern cincinnati. i grew up -- i grew up in -- well no. i didn't grow up in eastern cincinnati. >> he's speaking faster. his mannerisms changed a little bit. my first instinct was he must have used some sort of substance when he went to the bathroom. >> from when you came back from using the bathroom, you seem like you have more energy and it could be waking up. >> it's not because of that. it's actually because -- i haven't used nothing since then. i tried to and what it is, it's pills. it ain't no illegal drugs or nothing like that. if it was illegal drugs, i'd be using them, yeah, i would. >> to hear somebody, you died and that still isn't enough. that's not enough for you to stop doing the drugs.
you physically died and you're still there talking about how great they were to you. to me, it was just sad that somebody that -- that's not a wakeup call for somebody. dying isn't a wake-up call for you. >> i know how to remain happy in jail. i know how to be happy in jail. if i'm happy, i'm winning, like i said. >> coming up -- >> how do you plead? >> guilty with an explanation. >> let's hear it. >> richard valentino pleads his case. plaque psoriasis...
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the concept of all things in moderation. >> there was a time i did go to petco and i was going to get a hamster and i'm like this is great, i'll get a hamster, we'll be friends and bond. went there and there was ten of them in the little cage and i took one and then i realized i didn't want to leave them behind. needless to say, i left petco with ten hamsters. i got them all a condo going around the room with all the tubes and all. my mother came home and was like what in god's name happened? i was like, well i couldn't just take one. he had friends. all the rest were jumping. now i have ten hamsters. >> needless to say i had to go to the schools and give them out as pets because my mother was a little angry. but it's true and all that, when you don't do drugs, when you're first in recovery, you fill that void with anything. all of a sudden i'm gambling. i'm a horrible gambler. i'm doubling down on everything. even scratch-offs. i go into the stores and my mom is like you bought a pack of smokes and you're down $80. scratch-offs. that's what happened to me in there. i don't like to think anymore. it's hard. >> she's one of hundreds of addicted inmates incarcerated in suffolk county. among them is richard valentino. they feel he was going to buy smuggled drugs from other inmates. >> the only reasons why you would want cash in the jail setting that i can see is to buy something illegal like drugs, marijuana, heroin, whatever, or if you were looking to escape. >> valentino is in jail for a
parole violation on his prior conviction of attempted burglary. he's awaiting a return to state prison to complete his two-year sentence. >> there's a chair there. >> some of the days he's earned off the sentence for good behavior could be rescinded after a disciplinary hearing with officer nicholson and sergeant selvaggio. >> how do you plead? >> guilty with an explanation. >> let's hear it. >> all right. when i got arrested, i got arrested with like $1800 and a lot of dope. i knew my money was going to go in evidence or it was going to go under an investigation, so i slipped out a couple hundred dollars. i got shorts that have like a hidden pocket in the back. i'm not going to turn it in, because i'll get in trouble with it. i'm also thinking, if i bring it upstate with me, that's cigarettes, that's food as soon as i get upstate. yeah, maybe. >> got to be honest probably. yeah. i'm a drug addict. >> when you came into the facility, you could have just given it up with your property and that money would have been put automatically into your account. did you buy any drugs while here? >> no, sir. >> any commissary from the other inmates, nothing? >> no. >> no drugs? >> no drugs. >> no marijuana, nothing? >> nothing. >> smoke marijuana? >> i do.
but i like harder stuff better. but now i've been clean for -- >> since you came? going to have you wait by the elevator and we'll call you back. >> we're going to put you in elevator 2. >> valentino waits in the elevator lobby while the two deserve what sanctions to assess. along with rescinding good time, they can assign him to disciplinary segregation or the box. >> doesn't seem to be violent type. he likes his drugs. his last write-up he had marijuana. he did go to the box on that. he had drugs in here once before. he might have bought them, too. >> seems like to him he was going to try to smuggle it with him upstate. >> to buy drugs. >> buy drugs and/or commissary where, again, he could have put the money in his account and got commissary. which they know they can use commissary to buy drugs. >> i don't think he's hardcore. i think he's just drug addict. >> drug addict, yeah. >> i think we should take a
little bit of good time and maybe hold some lock. i think he'll be more afraid of the lock than the good time at this point in his career here. >> valentino is escorted back to the hearing room to learn his fate. >> this is what we did. having the one hundred dollars bill on that charge, you lost ten days good time. for smuggling it in when arrested, we're going to put you on probation for the next 30 days. if you catch another ticket for anything, you'll owe us 20 days box time. plus the new ticket. if you stay out of trouble, nothing happens at the end of 30 days. >> last time you were in the box, how did you do in there? >> i was hungry. starving. >> i bet you were. >> that's why we didn't put you in the box this time. >> i appreciate it. i really do. i really thought i was going to the box. it's my fault, you know. >> it ain't ours. stay out of trouble, okay valentino.
>> okay. >> hopefully he'll learn his lesson of losing good time and having box time over his head as probation. he's got no money left, we took it. >> a few weeks later, we checked in with valentino. >> there's no secret. you can get drugs in jail. how are you doing in terms of your heroin addiction? >> good. haven't found any heroin yet. >> are you looking? >> no. no. no, not at all. but it will find me. just got to say no. if i can. i don't know yet. haven't been in that position yet. coming up -- >> the only difference that i really see is that you waited until he got older to experiment with it. >> cory youngman gets a new cellie. a man who turned to crack in middle age.
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floor in a fetal position with a vomit bucket close at hand. >> i'm trying so hard no to -- >> no to what? >> throw up. >> a couple of days later she was feeling better and taking in the support of other inmates. >> it was all i could in jail to find the trash can to vomit. >> said man, i got a sick bunkie. >> but it's okay. i'm glad you didn't do it over the top bunk. >> really. >> the good thing about today is that people like me, i've never experienced the drug. but i have experienced with a lot of other drugs. i'm just learning through you, you know what i mean, about that addiction. >> if i would have known before i been in it, i would have never done it. >> that old song that says -- >> sit there and go through physical withdrawals right now in front of me and tell me
everything they have to go through. >> that's you now. i mean, you're showing that to other people so they don't have to experience it. >> that's the only reason why i did this right now. i wouldn't have done it. i wouldn't have because i don't want to be on tv. i don't want people to see me. >> jones hopes her pain serves as a deterrent to others. jail officials across the country see drug abuse at the root of the vast majority of inmate stays. unlike many state prison systems, reform is a key objective. county jails are primarily considered holding facilities while inmates resolve their legal charges. but increasingly they're taking on the additional role of drug rehabilitation centers. >> drug rehab in jail runs the gamut. it really goes county by county. the very basic type of treatment are 12-step programs where volunteers come in from the outside and offer 12-step meetings to those inmates who volunteer to participate. i've seen county jails set up complete sober living units within a jail. and the inmates involved have to adhere to very strict guidelines
in order to be part of that housing unit where it's very comprehensive, drug rehabilitation. and then you see things in between. but there's no uniformity. i'm assuming it comes down to finances, resources. but unfortunately, it's the kind of situation that we could truly reduce our prison and jail population if we addressed addiction at an earlier stage and if not then, at least once somebody is incarcerated. >> the sheriff al cannon detention center in charleston, south carolina offers a rehabilitation program that would seem a good fit for cory youngman. about to serve a two-year prison sentence for his second dui and several other charges, youngman admitted to being intoxicated when he crashed his car and sustained serious injuries. when he was in the hospital, he picked up another charge that ruled him ineligible for the jail's drug program.
>> i was trying to like find a doctor or somebody. where am i at? last thing i remember is i'm driving a car. an officer was there at the hospital with me. he came out of one of the rooms and ran up behind me and tackled me, said i was trying to escape. and told me that now i was being charged with attempted escape charge. >> because attempted escape is considered a security risk, youngman was not allowed into the drug program. meanwhile, he has the unique experience of being incarcerated at his mother's workplace. >> she's at her job and i'm at jail. >> officer youngman says cory is like most other addicts she works with. >> he's been in trouble with drugs on and off for the past ten years. i think he caught his first charge at 17. and been in and out of trouble pretty much since then. >> you got to get all you can in here if you want to get some calories. >> don't need calories.
getting too old for that, man. >> he's letting that go completely. >> youngman's new cell mate, 51-year-old max kay proves the track to drug addiction does not necessarily begin in youth. >> he talked to me about his struggles so we can talk a little bit, you know. >> are you going to prison? >> no, this is my first time. yeah. drugs. >> he was sentenced to two years for petit larceny and failing to stop for police. the charges come from a recently acquired addiction to crack cocaine. >> it's been devastating. it's cost me a marriage of 30 years. had a very good job with a nice company and had to retire. i raised four children. i had rental property and lost it all. >> he says a young worker he hired to help with properties introduced him to crack. >> at the end of a workday, we would drink beer. you know, you hear about mid
life crisis. i don't know if that applies here, but i think maybe i was just curious. i tried it. and really wasn't impressed with it at the beginning. but then i just kept tampering with it. it took about six months, within six months i was full-blown addicted. yeah. >> how old are you cory? >> 26. >> i have a son your age. >> do you have a relationship with your children? >> well, not at the moment. they're very hurt. i was -- before i became addicted i was the go-to guy. >> similarities between me and max are -- the only difference that i really see is that he waited until he got older to experiment with it. >> youngman has two sons. a 9-year-old and a 2-year-old. >> the example i'm setting for both my sons is terrible. i know people are going to see me talking on tv about it and
they're going to be like, you know, the same thing that i'm thinking in my head. what am i doing? >> 26, i'd give anything to be that age again. i can tell you, brother, you're young enough now if you stop, you can have a life. this is no life. being in bondage is no life. >> it's time to stop telling myself that i'm young enough to stop doing this and stop doing this. you know what i mean? that's the thing about an addiction. i mean, afterwards is when you step back and you're like, look what i done or look where i'm at. while you're doing it, you're not thinking about any of that. >> i don't want to see anybody go down this road. i just am being real about that. it's just a terrible way to live. >> i don't know what's going to
happen when i walk out that door. none of us knows what tomorrow holds. but i know that something different has to happen than has happened the last few times i walked out. i just got to grow up. i got to step up, period. >> hopefully i'm not in max's spot in 20 years. hopefully not. honestly, though, max started late. 25 years from now, if i go at the rate i'm going, i'm not going to be in max's spot. i'm going to be dead. there's not a doubt in my mind. >> you have people who love you and want to help you, just do the right thing. do the next right thing and it will all work out.
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