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the latest we know. officials have now confirmed just within the last two hours there are no survivors of this plane crash. that russian jetliner carrying 224 people taking off from egypt's sharm el sheikh airport this morning headed to st. petersburg in russia but disappearing about 25 minutes after takeoff. there are reports the pilot requested an emergency landing before that flight vanished. air force planes later did spot wreckage from the aircraft. an air bus a-321 in the mountainous area of the sinai peninsula. russian officials saying most those on board were russian tourists, including 17 children. following this story for us all this morning is nbc's tom costello in washington. what are we learning right now? >> we know this plane apparently experienced some sort of a very
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sudden deceleration and a very sudden -- happened at 28,000 feet. the speed here is what is particularly interesting here, richard. 404 knots is what it was traveling at. and then suddenly, within about 20 seconds, it went to 62 knots. so a very dramatic reduction in speed. and this plane, as you know, this an air bus a-321 which is really a work horse stretch version of the a-320 family that's flown around the world. on its way from sharm el sheikh to st. petersburg, russia, packed with we believe russian tourists when it went down there in the sinai. the israeli military offering assistant to the russians as well as the egyptians but so far the egyptians are handling the recovery operation. reporting there are no survivors. and that apparently every -- the wreckage is in at least two big pieces and then spread across the desert floor. 217 passengers and 7 crew
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members on board. now as this investigation will begin, the key will be for them to identify the black boxes. we're told they may have one of those already. but the data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. and that flight data reporter is going to be critical because it would have recorded hundreds, perhaps thousands of pieces of data coming off of the cockpit which would tell them accurate headings, accurate readings about heading, about altitude, about speed, about whether the plane was in a nose up or nose down configuration, and how far did this plane break up in air or did it in fact stay intact until hitting the ground. an awful lot of questions here that we need answers to. the cockpit voice recorder captured of course the last few seconds of the conversation between the co-pilot and the pilot. there was one report that the pilot had reported radioed. he was having some sort of technical problem, but that's the best translation we have at the moment, richard. >> i know you have been talking
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with ron mott in london who has also been covering this story. let's get to ron in london. ron, also what you've been reporting about are the families and how they have been learning about the details as they come in. >> right. it's a devastating day obviously for the folks in russia waiting on their loved ones to come back. most of those folks going on vacation. a very popular tourist spot, sharm el sheikh. in terms of the investigation on the russian front, it is moving along. we're getting word via reuters that the transport agency that regulates air travel in russia is at the offices of the airline in moscow and have apparently seized some documents. we can also tell you last year this airline when it had its last safety inspection in march of '14 had some violations and the government gave them some time to correct them and apparently the airline met the airline -- those deadlines and was able to get back up in the
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air. as tom and i spoke off and on the air today, something catastrophic apparently happened at altitude with this flight crew and this airplane that seems to have caused a sudden pitch control problem, where the captain and the co-pilot could not control the up and down motion of this aircraft because of data returns we've seen from flight radar 24 show that the plane oscillating essentially in those last few seconds. i would imagine being a passenger on that flight would probably be pretty scary to have an aircraft going through that kind of movement on the way to the ground. and then of course we know that the radar control -- radar contact, was lost before the flight hit the ground. so whether there was a break-up of the aircraft, we don't know. there apparently was, according to our producer in cairo, a post-crash fire and many of the bodies succumbed to fire as well. so a lot more details coming out as we go forward in the morning, the afternoon. >> all right, also joining us at
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this hour, anthony roman, a former pilot and ceo and founder of roman associations, an investigation/risk management firm. tom was talking about those recorders. they will have hundreds of pieces of information. ron was talking about that oscillation. will be able to confirm from if those are intact what exactly happened. what were they doing in front, what was happening in back with the equipment. >> these oscillations are a real problem because once they start, they build on themselves and can result in a stall configuration. which would explain that very low air speed within 20 seconds after it reached 33,000 feet or so. it begins like this and as the aircraft builds momentum, as they get big, it reaches an angle of attack at which the aircraft stalls and begins to go down precipitously.
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that may explain what happened there. but those flight data recorders on the a-320 series are robust. they're enhanced like data recorders with an increased number of parameters it monitored. so is the answer's going to be there. >> ron, also part of this is as they go through the debris on the ground and, you know, they're going to looking at where is what, right, and that's going to tell them potentially more of this story, that at this moment, we don't have all the details on. >> correct. if that's for me, richard, yes, this investigation is going to take quite some time. obviously, the first matter of business is to secure the scene and to get to the victims first before you turn it over to the officials to start piecing together exactly what happened with the aircraft. as we mentioned, there was post-crash fire. there was a lot of fuel aboard that aircraft. as your expert is just mentioning there, something
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happened at altitude. the one thing as a pilot i would wonder as this flight is at altitude probably has the autopilot engaged so any inputs the crew is making is simply done by a dial. you're not using the control yoke to control the plane at that point. there are just dial inputs as you get instructions from air traffic control. when they were turned over to cyprus, they did not make the handoff, so the crew did not report into that new handoff and that's shortly there after when we saw the radar loss. >> thank you, all three, for that. melissa, we'll have much more on the breaking news throughout the morning, but we'll throw it back to you now for the rest of the show. >> thanks, richard. we will keep checking in with you. we're going to take a short break. when we come back, why you can thank immigration for an
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welcome back. we're going to pick up our coverage this morning with sports news from late last night. the new york mets are back home and bouncing back, defeating the kansas city royals 9-3 in game three of the world series. a lot of enthusiasm on my set about this. game for is tonight with the royals leading the series 2-1. the last and only time the royals clinched a title was in 1985, winning over their interstate rival also the st. louis cardinals. the following year, the mets won it all, beating the red sox. meaning that these two teams want it and they want it bad. on one side, we have a young arsenal of new york flame throwers that threw pitches of 95 miles per hour.
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more often this season than any other team. versus a kansas city roster that is older, more experienced and knowses how to hit heat. it all began on tuesday when the royals outlasted the mets in a 14-inning marathon that hit the bookings as the longest game won by innings in world series history. that wasn't the only historical tidb tidbit. as nerdland favorite wrote in the nation, we are presented for the first time with a fall classic pitting two teams that never fielded all white segregated rosters. it's a point that reminds us how sports history is american history. the star spangled banner was sung at a world series game for the first time in 1918 during world war i when major league players were being drafted into service. in 1947 when book lyrooklyn's rn became the first african-american in the 20th century to play baseball in the
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major leagues, smashing a color line, a segregation practice dating back to the 19th century. in 1955 an the debut of roberto clemento of puerto rico, aka, the great one would amassed 3,000 career hittings. playing the kind of baseball that turned the right fielder into a symbol for the nation's growing latino population. and the first foreign born player to be elected into the hall of fame. possibly no other sport echoes u.s. imcombination patterns as well as baseball. mlb is a $9 billion industry that aggressively courts foreign-born talent. close to 30% of the players on mlbs opening day rosters this season were born outside the u.s. the dominican republic has topped the list each year since mlb began tracking the numbers ten years ago. the percentage of foreign born minor league players is nearly 50%. as for the two teams now vying for a championship, 40% of the royals active roster is foreign
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born. for the mets, 28%. but say the phrase immigrant labor in the context of politics instead of a major league ballpark, and the conversation changes cr s dramatically. the discussion focused on h 1 b visas. the intent of the h-1b provisionings provisio provisions is to help employers by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the united states. these days, h-1b is about filling high-tech roles, science, engineering and i.t. >> i am all in favor of keeping these talented people here so they can go to work in silicon valley. >> our legal immigration system from now on has to be merit based. it has to be based on what skills you have, what you can contribute economically and
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whether or not you're coming here to become an american, not just live in america, be an american. >> did you catch it? it comes down to a kind of foreign born respectability politics. the ones we want and those we don't. maybe we don't even know what we really want and need. immigrants make up nearly 50% of workers in private households and nearly a fifth in could be construction, food services and agricultural. immigrant labor is the foundation of the american economy. listening to wednesday's debate, you'd think the only thing the country needs from immigrants are skills that are the tech equivalent to throwing a 95-mile-per-hour fastball. joining me, reverend lewis, senior minister at middle colgate church. raul reyes, attorney and msnbc.com contributor. founding director of the new american leaders project. and joining me and my cold from
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washington, d.c. is dave saren, sports editor of nations magazine. so when we think of major league sports, we rarely discuss it as immigrant labor. i guess i wonder what might happen to our public debate if in fact we did talk about it that way. >> i think it would expand dramatically. it reminds me of during the first part of the black lives matter movement. when fans in st. louis held up signs that said black lives matter on and off the field. in other words, if you like us in uniforms, you need to respect us when we're outside the stadiums and not just entertaining you. it would be a similar dynamic if this was raised in major league baseball. if you like the world series, you probably like johnny quetto from the dominican republic. bartolo colon, i look at him and i think, maybe i can play in the
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world series. he still gives me that hope. bartolo cologne also from the dominican republic. people recognize part of major league baseball, because it's also about recognizing some of the worst excesses of globalization. the idea of going into the dominican republic. hyper exploitation. 99% get thrown on the scrap heap. respecting that 1% would was able to make it. it's also about respecting the 99% would are left behind who dream of a better life. >> so, dave, stick with us. part of what's interesting to me here is this isn't just immigrant labor, these are often precisely the immigrants, black, brown, spanish speaking immigrants we hear most often denigrated in our public discourse. when i looked back at data about high-skilled and highly educated immigrant labor. in fact, there's a '08 report from the migration policy institute saying if you are highly skilled and highly
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educated from africa and latin american, they have trouble finding jobs. whereas those from asia and europe are able to find these jobs. is it really high school or something else in. >> it's really about the way the h-1b visa program has evolved. it's about serbing the needs of american corporations. what many people don't realize is this visa, it's a, specifically designated at nonimmigrant. you can only stay on that type of visa for six years. they often promise they will help them obtain permanent residency. rarely happens. they work for far less than american counterparts. then sent home. these workers are exploited because they're tied to the company they're working for. american workers are hurt. it's very interesting this came up in the republican debate. h-1b visas is a very small part. there's only 65,000 allocated a year with another 20,000 for
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people with masters. contrast to the 11 million undocumented people we have. even for that 65,000 people, i think this year, almost a quarter million people applied. record number of people applied. yet, that's the only people that gop wanted to talk about at the debate, the quote/unquote good immigrants would were going to work and then go home. >> my favorite thing is it is both high skilled people and models. for some very bizarre reason, models actually -- >> it's a talent. >> but they have the highest yield. because far fewer people apply to be a model. something like 50% of them actually end up getting the -- just the most bizarre thing ever. it is the model visa. i'd love to put it on the gop. but it's not. i just want to say that good versus bad immigrant thing, we actually heard this from president obama in a conversation he was having about deportation.
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>> over the past six years, deportations of criminals are up 80%. and that's why we're going to keep focusing enforcement resources on actual threats to our security. felons, not families. criminals. not children. gang members, not a mom who's working hard to provide for her kids. >> ci saw you take a deep breat there. what was that for? >> i think it's part of the narrative we're being sold. that it's not just skilled immigrants but it's tied to this keep america great. the immigration and economy, immigration and fences and security. the difference is we are willing to accept those immigrants who are going to help keep america at the forefront of sports, at the forefront of certain sectors. but caring for our children and caring for the elderly is an equally valuable job to creating
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the next banking app. so if we can get to a place where the conversation becomes about immigration and immigrants as part of all of american society, that would be a much more nuanced and, frankly, a more american conversation. the conversation we hear, particularly in the gop, and actually during all the debates is the palatable conversation. if you can tie immigration to the american economy, then you have the year of, you know, these americans who don't include immigrants. >> let me go back to you. it does feel to me like this question of sports goes right to this american identity question. and i was also looking at data suggesting of the kind of mlb big fights that have happened, they are consistently happening between foreign-born players and those who are american born often around this las vegas of whether or not you really know how to play the american game. >> it's absurd because people from latin america have been
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playing in the major leagues. it shows the roots of the sport in the western hemisphere are in the americas, not in the united states. that's largely a myth spun. the reason why it's in so much of latin america has to do with the u.s. army. the ways in which a lot of these nations were conquered. the thing about respectability politics set my antenna up because it reminds me respectability politics, it can't save you at the end of the day. if we've learned nothing else of this last year of talking about police brutality, it's the limits of that. i was thinking about the players of the diamond backs who have been advised what to do if they're stopped by police. as well as the players who play in the cactus league. they have instructions what to do if stopped by police for fear they're going to get caught up in the anti-imgrab tmigrant dra.
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signed off on a letter promising members of the house freedom caucus. will not, quote, bring up any immigration legislation as long as barack obama is president and he will not allow any immigration to reach the house floor unless the majority supported it. congressman ryan's office did not return multiple requests for a statement. as a matter of politics, this is a real issue. we see republicans are more likely to not want immigration reform. like voters, that sort of thing. how do we get past that to the reality of people's lives? >> it's really a shame because you've got a situation now with something like 60% of americans support a path to citizenships. it's one of many issues on the political agenda that is blocked by partisan pollizatioarization
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washington. ryan's insistence that nothing's going to happen while we've got this, we probably won't see a movement until 2017 at the earliest. >> i am having all the rage about this. >> one of the things that i'm hoping is all our faith-based institutions will make this an issue. that we will have conversations about the scriptures, there's this whole sense this you were once strangers. you were once strangers in the land. you must be welcoming, kind to strangers. what does our faith compel us to do in terms of raising these issues. at the actual people level. like, we know somebody in the -- i met a little guy the other day named jesus. a waiter in a restaurant in new jersey. waiting on me. was caught up in some mexican cartel things with his family. is here under an asylum. 4 1/2 years, staill waiting for
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citizenship. he was playful about the whole faith thing. jesus was an immigrant from bethlehem. nothing good can come out of bethlehem. and look what good came out of it. all the jesuses, all the marias, healing the world, if we give them a chance -- >> even as you tell the story, a compelling story, even taking us to the scripture, i still worry about our good versus bad. a narrative if we think about docu. activists themselves have used this as a way of getting what they can through politically palatable. >> on the one hand, it's purely obstructionist, right, we're not going to do it while president obama is president. then there's this other piece, so let's cover that base as well, because we know that's not going to happen.
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maybe not in 2017. back to your question about what are we going to do in the absence. i think what's been happening is the faith community organizing. the other thing that's happening is localities and states are take things into their control. on the one hand that can be very negative as we saw with sb-110. all the things that happen at the state level. around driver's licenses and tuition equity. i think we're not going to sit there waiting for something to happen. obviously, immigration reform has to be addressed. but in the last three to four years as we've watched congress refuse to deal with this issue, the last thing i will say is the fact that it's in the negotiation with the speaker is really, really, really fascinating, right, because it means that people are scared. and they get that this is an issue. and so i'll take some hope if that. >> is there any room for
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exective actions? >> i think one thing that's really happening that's blocking that, however, is it looks like courts are going to go after anything the administration tries to do. i think there's very little wiggle room for the obama administration now. it's the kind of local and state responses to the gridlock of washington that we'd like to see any sort of action take place, both on the conservative and liberal side. >> have to say good-bye to you all. jackie and raul will be back a little later. still to come, the rise and redemption of ben carson. and an update on the russian passenger plane. way i see it, you have two choices; the easy way or the hard way. you could choose a card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or, you could make things easier on yourself. that's right, the quicksilver card from capital one. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere.
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sheikh airport en route to st. petersburg, russia. 224 passengers on board. officials say the pilot reported technical difficulties and watted to make an emergency landing. after takeoff, air traffic controllers lost contact. like to bring in international affairs correspondent, pilot and former british official mikey kay. egypt's former minuister saying they'll work closely with russian officials. to try to find out what happened on the ground. >> whenever a board of inquiry is convened of this nature, there are certain critical components that need to be involved. the first one will be the design manufacturer. so it will be air bus, french officials involved there. the countries within which the aircraft went down. egypt in this case will be responsible for coordinating and running the investigation. we've got russia, a russian
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operator, so russia officials will be involved. >> looking for the black boxing, looking at the size of debris they might find? >> there are reporting saying the fuselage is almost intact, almost snapped in two. if you look at anyone that's indicating there might have been a shootdown, there is no credible evidence. however, the)> dutch safety bo concluded that not so long ago, that was spread over 50 kilometerings. if you look at the german wings air bus that remained relatively intact. >> 4:37 in the afternoon there in egypt. when it hit night fall, do they stop? because they don't have much more than a couple hours there. >> i think the area which has come down as quite austere. it's kind of north of the most mountainous region. but there's still elevation
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there in term also s of terrain. this is also an area that has an insurgency in it. the sinai province which is an affiliate of the islamic state has been targeting egyptian soldiers in that region for all year. it's also gone into cairo. these will be factors when the officials will be setting up -- >> security on the ground is what you're saying? >> absolutely. they will be allowed to look by night. but it's got to vary on other factors as well. >> any time concerns? we were looking at black boxes in other crashes of the past? >> let's break those into two. the flight pit recorder and the voice data recorder. they're separate. it look a long time for asia air for them to be found because they landed in the ocean. there are already reports these boxes have been identified. they will be absolutely critical to the subsequent investigation. hopefully, an earlier, rather than later, conclusion.
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the u.s. mission in syria is about to get more complicated. the white house announced friday that a small contingent of special operation forces will be sent to northern syria to work with opposition fighters who are battling isis. but the white house insists the u.s. forces will play an advisory role. they will not be engaging in direct combat. >> i think if we were envisioning a combat operation, we probably would be contemplating more than 50 troops on the ground. because the responsibility they have is not to lead the charge to take a hill but, rather, to offer advice and assistance to those local forces about the best way they can organize their efforts to take the fight to
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isil or to take the hill inside of syria. that is the role that they will be playing. >> joining me now from washington, the former state department and white house middle east adviser and offer of going to tehran. what do you make of this very small contingent, just 50 or so individuals? how much of this is really an escalation? >> well, unfoerntsally, i think as the white house spokesman said later in his briefing to the press, it really isn't much of a change in the obama strategy. the strategy for the past four years has, i think, by all standards, really been a failure. it's led to a massive debt and destruction and massive refugee outflows. this is really i think more of the same. in addition to the 50 or so special forces, they've also allocated another $100 million to syrian rebels to increase the
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fighting, increasing the bloodshed in syria. this is unfortunately an indication of more of the same. >> also redoubling diplomatic efforts. secretary kerry saying there's now a role also in iran for diplomatic efforts. how do you see the kind of boots on the ground relating to those efforts? >> they seem to be operating in parallel universes. secretary of state kerry when briefing reporters in vienna versus these very important diplomatic talks do for the first time include iran which is terribly tremendously significant. he said to reporters he was just made aware that the white house had finally -- had made the decision to send the 50 special forces to syria. so it seems like there is a bit of disconnect between the disconnect operation and the military operation. the diplomatic piece is po ten chublly a significant silver
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lining to an otherwise failed strategy. we saw kerry with obama's support lead two years of intense negotiations with iran that came to this incredibly important deal with iran. hopefully the secretary can do the same thing with syria. but the military strategy the white house is pursuing i think will impede his efforts rather than support him. >> the kind of military strategy that seems like no one is happy. either folks want many more boots on the ground or are irritating any are showing up there. what's your sense then of kind of the internal politics of this decision? >> unfortunately, i think it's the lowest common denominator type of decision. to kind of make -- not make everybody happy, at least not make everybody completely unhappy or have the unhappiness spread across the board. we've seen the slippery slope strategy all over the world. it never works. whether it's advisers to vietnam, to nicaragua, afghanistan, syria. the intelligence support we're
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giving to saudi arabia and yemen, it fails across the board. i think it is very much a product of domestic infighting not just within the administration but congress, the military, the intelligence agencies. it's the lowest common denominator approach that does not work. president does have secretary kerry who is dogged in his pursuit of diplomacy. that's really the only pursuit here. up next, the new front-runner and how a story of redemption is fueling the surge for republican carson. when something works, people stick with it. more people stick with humana medicare advantage. because we stick with them. humana medicare advantage.
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a new nbc news online poll conducted by survey monkey found that retired neurosurgeon ben carson has made a 12 point surge since last month to tie donald trump and contenders vying for the republican nomination for presidency. earlier this week, for the first time in a national survey,
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carson surpassed trump at the number one spot. carson's lead is even wider in another poll who prefer him to trump by a whopping attractive candidate precisely because he says his decisions will be guided by his faith in god. among this large and influential bloc of religious republican voters, a pass that could be a liability for another candidate has become for carson an affirmation of authenticity of his faith.
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recounting a story about his history as a violent and angry young man, dr. carson told nbc's chuck todd last week about a pivotal moment from his past. >> there was a time when i was, you know, very volatile. but i changed. >> when was that? >> as a teenager, i would go after people with rocks and bricks and baseball bats and hammers. and of course many people know the story, when i was 14 and i tried to stab someone. and, you know, fortunately, you know, my life has been changed and i'm a very different person now. >> it's a story that carson has frequently recounted since he first rose to national fame with his 1996 autobiography gifted hands. ness telling of it, carson says after praying and reading the bible following the incident, he got control of his temper and found his faith. with me again, the reverend jackie lewis from the colgate church. and joshua duaba, author of "the
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president's devotional." the daily readings that inspired president obama. let me ask you specifically about the way this discourse of redemption, of having been one kind of young man and now being someone else, how that might be influencing how dr. carson is seen. >> sure. there are simple answers to our challenges on race in this country and complicated ones. evangelicals are responding to dr. carson and republicans more broadly are responding to him because he's providing a simple answer. he's basically saying, look, i was a troubled young man, just like you see a lot of troubled young people today, and all i did was went in my prayer closet, prayed and god turned me around. he's basically saying the issues of race in our country can be solved by personal responsibility alone. he's absolving the country of having to have a serious
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conversation about these issues. that has great appeal because it means no one else is to blame except african-americans. but i think in the long run it's a real challenge for the conversation on race we need to be having. >> this is an interesting point, that evangelicalism is a strong aspect of many christian faith communities. over and over again in the polls, we see black evangelicals look different on a variety of issues. what it goes to, this kind of easy, hard answer kind of question? >> i think he's right, the place where a simple answer doesn't work for african-american folks. i think we understand our faith is a really important part of our lives. we know there's something about personal transformation. but i think the black church and i think most black christians, evangelical or progressive, understand the transformation isn't just an individual transaction. we will say we're not saved until everybody's saved.
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the transformation of systems. the eradication of poverty, housing, you know, health care, all those kinds of things, i think are really important for black folks. just to say a little more about the ben carson phenomenon, i think his narrative as a young black person, he was my hero. i think all of us are captivated by this story like paul, you know, i used to be violent, i was blind and now i can see. but there's something that is missing if the narrative doesn't continue to evolve to where individual responsibility can't be the only answer and there has to be some corporate responsibility as a part of our faith. >> i just want to play it for you. i have to say, my colleague chris jansing was in colorado and captured strong feelings of support for carson. >> i love the man.
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>> and you'll vote for him? >> oh, honey, i would give him everything i had, honest to god. >> you're very emotional. >> i am serious, i would. i love him. he needs to save our country and our country needs saved. >> i've known for a long time he was a brilliant man and a man that god has gifted in many ways. and now that america is so sick, we need a doctor. we need a doctor to heal us. and that's all there is to it. >> is there any doubt who you're going to vote for? >> no, there isn't. >> josh. >> yeah, you know, we have had a really tough couple years as a country. i think some of these same voters are looking at the challenges that we are seeing involved in ferguson. even the deaths of nine african-americans in charleston. they don't know what to do with that. here, ben carson presents a solution. if you can just, like he did, go into his prayer closet. if you just, you know, pull yourself up by your boot straps, then the challenges with race and the challenges we're facing
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as a country will be solved. we know it's not as simple as that and we've been grappling with these issues. but they don't want to hear that. what they get to do is support this nice soft spoken doctor. and be absolved of all of these issues. i think that's why you're seeing the outpouring of emotion it unfortunately, a can't thdidate i think would take our country down a problem path. >> i agree with that. even more pointedly i would say this read on to the black body thing. this is a bloack body that can e read on to with all this evangelical fervor, nonthreatening black body, speak-sharing our values black body. i would like to hear dr. carson speak about black lives matter and see how many stay supportive of him. >> like some of what i've heard from both of you today is
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discourse not unlike we heard in 2007 about then senator obama. this idea that it was easy to support him or he could do god-talk in a particular way, and that's of course precisely not what the experience of his actual presidency has been. it is an interesting set of questions we will undoubtedly have to come back to. thank you to joshua dubuis in washington, d.c. and thank you reverend lewis. still to come, updates from the russian plane that crashed. plus the south carolina school where the video, what we can learn from it. (patrick 1) how a% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20? (patrick 1) how about done? (patrick 2) that's the kind of control i like... ...and that's what they give me at national carental. i can choose any car in the aisle i want- without having to ask anyone. who better to be the boss of you... (patrick 1)than me. i mean, you...us.
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can a a subconscious. mind? a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive? welcome back. i'm melissa harris perry. we have a lot to get to this hour, including the classroom confrontation between a school resource officer and a 16-year-old student. we begin with the latest on the crash of a russian jetliner in egypt's sinai peninsula. >> good morning.
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egyptian officials now say all 224 people aboard were killed when that plane crashed in the mountainous area of the sinai peninsula. the plane, an air bus 321, was en route from sharm el sheikh to st. petersburg, russia when that flight disappeared from radar about 25 minutes after takeoff. relatives have been gathering at the airport in st. petersburg awaiting for updates. the majority on boorpd are believed to be russian. which could be the biggest aviation disaster in the country's post-soviet history. as we get closer to the end of the day, what do we know about the final moments of this flight and any developments you're hearing as well? >> good morning. you spoke about the pass beenge being mostly russian, that is correct. 221 russians and 3 ukrainians on this flight. a crew of seven. what we're learning in the last moments of this flight, there
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were some abnormalities if you will in the smooth and level flight this flight appeared to have been on before something went wrong at altitude 35,000, 36,000 feet, and then they plunged 6,000 feet, about 6,000 feet in a minute, which is usually normal but that's a lot of altitude to give up in 60 seconds time. there did appear to be some up and down motion, if you will, in those final moments of the crash. we can tell you russian officials are already on the way to egypt. vladimir putin has announced tomorrow will be a day of mo mourning, a national day of mourning. they sent investigators to the offices, the moscow offices, of this carrier, metro jet, and apparently they have seized some documents. we can tell you last year last spring, march of 2014, when they had their last routine safety inspection, that the government found some violations. and gave the airline some time
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to correct those violations and apparently the airline did just that. made those corrections and got back up in the air. the flight that was operating today is flight 9268. was a charter flight. a lot of these folks were on vacation, returning to russia from the very popular tourist destination of sharm el sheikh. you mentioned their families are gathering in st. petersburg tonight. just past 6:00 there in the moscow area. gathering to get this bad news and what happens now going forward. this is going to be a rather lengthy investigation i would imagine and they're still recovering bodies at this hour. we can tell you there were 17 children among those on this aircraft. a really tragic day for russia especially. >> what have you heard about those key black boxes? >> we are just getting word now from egyptian state television that they have recovered the plane's black boxes. that would be of course the flight data recorder.
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those will be analyzed over the next few hours, days and weeks perhaps and we should glean a lot more information about what exactly happened in the air there. the pilot, we were told, did make a distress call. said he was dealing with some technical problems with the aircraft and that he was looking to land at the nearest airport. i believe cairo was going to believe that airport. she did not make any move before the radar was lost, richard. >> i'd like to bring in international affairs correspondent, pilot and british senior official mikey kay. also, retired pilot and specialist john cox. john, egyptian officials saying a black box was found from the russian airliner here. that's new this hour. what do you expect to learn from this? it has hundreds of pieces of information in how the mechanical versus the digital might be working here.
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>> well, the parameters reported on the recorder are very numerous. this will tell us the tale of what the airplane did. the voice recorder will give us additional insight into the conversations the pilots had. when you put those two together, you get a complete picture of what actually happened. we know this much, we know the airplane reached its cruising altitude. we know the captain or one of the pilots said they had a technical problem and they wanted to land. there's conflicting information about where they wanted to go. but they did intend to land the airplane. the airplane started down. the descent rate was high but within the normal fly parameters. and for reasons that we don't yet know, this descent continued all the way to the ground. beyond that, it gets pretty speculati speculative. i think we'll know in short order if we have the recorders. >> so within the normal
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parameters? >> yes, it is something most pilots or most passengers have experienced on commercial airliners. they just may not have known the magnitude of it. but it's well within the operating envelope of commercial airliners. >> you were mentioning the black boxes before when e went on air. that new piece of information key. what that means is that new issue of debris we were talking about may not be as difficult as some of us were worried about. >> yes, the two black boxes, cockpit voice recorder, fundamental to getting the investigation under way. if you go back to mh 30 and the pings from the black boxes, we never actually found them. the first thing is you identify the debris and the debris takes you to the black boxes. the other thing that's happened pretty quickly is the gathering together of the investigation. there's four components. the first is the state of
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occurrence. egypt. they have the legal responsibility to start bringing the investigation about. then you've got the state register. that appears to be island. air bus, which will be france. and russia. we know russia has set up an investigation. reuters reporting they're checking into some of the fuel samples and they've opened a criminal investigation against the airline as well. >> just to clarify about the black box. they know the location. they have not actually been able to harvest it as of yet. that's the latest we're hearing from the newsdesk. john cox, to build off what mikey kay was saying. the fuel sample is number one. why? number two, speaking with employees, both in russia, and three, the travel agency that appears to have chartered this jet. as investigator, what are you going to be gathering from these pieces?
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the first thing you do is you start compiling evidence. then exclude the things not contributing. certainly they'll look at the fuel. they'll look at the weather. they'll look at the mechanical status of the airplane. they'll look at air traffic control procedures. you gather an enormous amount of data, document it, and then that leads you to your areas of focus. that narrows it down so you understand what happened to the airplane. and you have the evidence and data to support those conclusions. >> they are getting into the evening. the question is, you know, every moment certainly counts, especially for the families. >> yes, every moment counts. it's vitally important to secure the area. and it appears the area is
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relatively small in this case. however, there are other additional problems. to the south, you have a very mountainous region, very arid. the crash did take place slightly north of that. you've also got this insurgency. bombing egyptian soldierings. they've had ieds in cairo. they've been very active. that's something that's going to be on the forefront of the egyptian authority's minds when they try to process this data and make sure the criminal investigation can occur before the flight investigation can. >> again new this hour, they have identified the location of one of those black boxes. we're just getting that information in. ron moss saying egyptian officials and media reporting that. thank you so much, john cox. thank you in new york, mikey kay. now, back to melissa harris perry. >> when we come back, the latest on the 16-year-old girl hurled
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welcome back. an undoubtedly you've seen the video by now. a disturbing act of school violent. the video of school violence is not a mass shooting. it's a monday morning math class at spring valley high school in south carolina. the intervention by an officer doesn't seem to stop the violence. it seems toish ish initiate an aggravate it. as the school officer hauls a 16-year-old girl across the floor and arrests her after she refuses to leave the classroom.
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the student who had recently moved to a foster home after the death of her mother. the girl, whose name has not been released, refused the request to put her phone aside and later leave the classroom. when the administrator asked the girl to leave, she refused. the school resource officer was called in to remove the student. she also refused his demand for her to leave with him. the video shows part of what happened next. some of the student's classmates reported the officer as he removed the student from her desk by flipping her backward from the neck, pulling her and dragging her across the room before arresting her. the student's attorney says she now has a cast on her arm, with neck and back injuries. wednesday, the county sheriff fired the officer for failing to follow training protocol. the justice department civil rights division along with the fbi and u.s. attorney's office
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in south carolina have launched a civil rights investigation into the incident. still, field's attorney maintains his clients actions were justified. in a statement released on wednesday, the attorney wrote, in part, we believe that mr. fields' actions were justified and lawful. we believe that whemr. fields' actions were done within the job duty threshold. his job duties. what are the duties in high school? we might expect to encounter volunteer parents or front office administrators, librar n librarians, directors, pretty much any made for tv after school special, that cast of characters is going to appear. but another cast is performing duties, police officers. why was an officer like fields
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there? he is part of the school resource officer or sro program. part of a group ofpolicy sish ish initiated as part of tough on crime. zero tolerance. zero tolerance for children. these led to an uptick in suspensions for small infractions like talking back to teachers. schools relied on the presence of officers in the classroom. between 1997 and 2007, the number of sros in schools increase from 9,000 to 413,000. according to the national center on education statistics, sros are officers deployed by the police departments to collaborate with zoos and organizations to engage in community policing. sros is meant to both police and act as a guidance counselor, a mentor, an adviser for students. that appears to be far from the
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role officer fields played monday in south carolina's spring valley high. joining me now, the assistant professor of sociology, african-american studies, col n columbia university. raul reyes, attorney and nbcnews.com contributor. the director of juvenile rights advocacy program. and gregory thomas, senior executive for law enforcement operations at kings county d.a. and a former director of security at new york city schools. so let me start with you. when you see that video, you see job duties performed in the way that an sro is meant to be performing job duties? >> no, i don't. it's very troubling. i also see a very bad decision made by other adults. you see that incident for what it is right now. back to the decision that was made by another adult. the administrator in that room who called for the sro in the first place.
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because i think over time, their role has devolved into being, you know, guidance counselors, as you mentioned earlier, also being involved in discipline. their roles in schools were never meant to be that way. they are police officers. they're taught, you know, police tactics. he made the wrong decision. but the problem is he was called in the first place. >> this is not a small point. feels like this is part of what makes this video -- i mean, i find all of the videos we have been watching over the past year very hard to watch. but typically we've been seeing videos between police officers and young men or women in traffic stops, in policing situations, having it happen in the schools feels like a particularly kind of emotional violation. >> yes, sight definitely matters. the fact we have this violence you would maybe expect from a routine encounter that goes bad on the street happen in a classroom is even more alarming. but it's not uncommon.
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there are arrests every day in schools across the country. in chicago last year, there were 3,000 arrests. that number is so low compared to the early 2000s when we were really ramping up the police in schools. overall, there have been about 92,000 arrests a year. all of these arrests aren't happening very gently. they could be very brutal. the kids said they took him down like a man. they treated this child like a grown man. so they could see the horror and the sort of trauma that comes from these interventions. >> every time i hear this language, it was an arrest in school, there are things one should be arrested for in school and in other places, right, breaking what i think everyone would reflect and understand as our laws. but i just got to say, i get what would be irritating for a teenager to not put their phone
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down. to not jump and do what you ask them to do. i get -- part of what they do is push back against authority. part of our job as teachers is to teach them how to push back against authority. >> and not criminal, right? >> it's not supposed to be criminal. >> this is what happens with sros. and charging decisions. my understanding is this particular girl who was assaulted and another girl were charged with disturbing schools which is a very common charge for things like speaking out of turn, talking loudly, being disrupptive. that really wasn't the intention of that law or other laws like it or the role of sros. >> it makes me wonder, to go back to your point about police officers in schools, they have to be doing something. if you have a math teacher, they teach math. a food service worker provides lunch. but if you're just a police officer standing around waiting for a mass shooter, the fact is that's pretty unlikely to
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happen. so we find things for them to do. >> what happens is the presence of these police officers, the disproportionate ratio into the schools. we see that, what is amazing is we see the research in preschool. black kids in preschool are far more likely to be suspended than white kids. this continues at all educational levels, for blackes. the other thing that's interesting, certainly, black and white students are suspended. that's what teenagers do. they act out. that's part of adolescent. >> teachers and parents are supposed to teach boundaries and how to do it reasonably and respectfully. that's part of the job. >> yet when you look at the type of offenses, white kids are suspended for documented offense, maybe breaking a window, graffiti. black kids and children of color
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are suspended for highly subjective things. attitude, defiant, talking back. more subjective. we end up with a dangerous place in the classroom. in that institute. who would have thought, when you have the choice between a girl being defiant in the classroom and refusing to leave, how is that more disturbing than this police officer traumatizing the whole classroom with that very violent act. >> i have to say for me the piece of -- i kept refusing to watch it for a long time. but the piece that just got me is that this young woman was in foster care. and we know that -- we know from these data these are the most vulnerable young women. highly likely to end up in the juvenile justice system. often vulnerable to a variety of other trauma and abuse. apparently has a parent who recently died. i feel like the school should have said, hey, by the way, this is a student experiencing trauma. we should expect to see acting out behavior.
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>> an at-risk student. >> this is an at-risk student. let's sort of put our arms around the student, not our hand catches. >> again, the administrators in the school knew her better than ever he could know her. we have to be cashful we don't vilify the entire sro program. they are very sensitive to these issues. in this case it clearly wasn't told who she was. i think there's ways you could have dealt with that through deescalation tactics. whether it be before he got there or while he was there. he also did a very poor thing tactically. to take her down like that in the classroom full of students who might at that point revolt against that action. you're asking for trouble, right. so he didn't think this thing through fully. >> one of the things you see when you look at the tape is the reaction of the other kids. one of the disturb things, these kids looking down, trying to cover their faces. it was clearly a dramatic event all around. if you play out into the juvenile justice system, what we see is girls experiences of trauma and reactions to trauma
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are criminalized, mislabeled and they drive them into the system. >> i'm glad we're talking about different systems because we see failure at every turn. here, you now have the welfare system and the school system. parents missing. so we are really losing kids. she probably felt the safest in the classroom. i mean, from the research, id comes say they feel the safest in class or walking in school or in the hallways. we failed her. >> that's where those at-risk kids should be when they have an unstable home life. they should be in school. they shouldn't be being suspended. i think there is some good news. we're seeing from department of education. some different places like where they're moving towards restorative justice programs. trying to move away from that. there's some good news in terms of the reform. >> when we come back, you were talking about the re, an actiof other students. there are been some reactions
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friday morning, nearly 100 spring valley high school students staged a walkout at 10:00 a.m. to express their support for former officer ben fields. the student resource officer who was fired for dragging a 16-year-old student from her desk following a call for assistance. the participating students, many wearing free fields or #bring back fields t-shirts gathered together for ten minutes to share their thoughts on officer fields. in an e-mail to parents, the principal described the walkout as safe and productive. carla, we found this to be really interesting. this officer fields has also been someone who was an assistant coach on the football team. this sense that there was support for this officer, despite this. i'm wondering, given the research, talking to young people, do you find that
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surprising? >> i don't. there's great nuance in how young people view the people there as authority figurings. they may say i hate police but they love officer hernandez. you know, i was walking down the hallway about to interview the kid, he's like, give me a dollar, officer. then later he's like, don't like police. so with this, you know, walkout and show of support, they may have had a personal connection with him and positive interactions matter. just the negative interactions matter a great deal more. the sigh logical research shows us. that's why it's interesting when i saw this video, the police officer in d.c. doing the dance contest, i said, this is a moment of positive interaction but she had had no personal contact with police but multiple kind of vie carious perceptions of injustice and seeing how they treated her, you know, siblings and family. so this one positive moment is there. but it doesn't disrupt
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everything else she's seen. >> that feels like such a critically important point. the white house is clearly on criminal justice reform, policing reform, trying to talk about trying to create community-based policing. we love that d.c. video. it felt like, oh, look, here is an officer behaving as though a young person is not a threat to them. i wonder how much -- is that enough to actually change the relationships between policing authorities and the communities where they are? >> no, it's an ongoing process. i had the pleasure of being with the police chiefs in the white house when the president discussed reform practices. but, again, every time you take a step forward, sometimes these things like this take you four steps back. so the challenge is going to be everyday interaction police have with people in the community. has to be on a professional respect level. it has to go both ways. some decisions not being made by people who are contacted by
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police to bring things to another level so it's a matter of balance. >> i want to dig in just a little bit on the feelings that the 16-year-old girl might have about the walkout. i want to emphasize that students have every right to support this officer. i think there may have been some very good reasons for doing so. i do also wonder for young women who have been tom tiraumatized, frequently the young women are blamed. i want to share this then come back to you on that. >> we must not lose sight this whole incident started by this student. she is responsible for initiating this action. some responsibility that falls on her. now, the action of her deputies, we take responsibility for that. we also have to put responsibility on her for disrupting that school, disrupting that class, and causing this incident to start from the very beginning. >> so, you know, it's hard to
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listen to that. what we know now is the developmental lens is the right lens for schools, for justice systems. it's about fairness. it's about the perception of fairness. and girls, very many of them girls of color who are in the system, who are 61% of girls in the juvenile justice system, don't perceive it as a fair system. and that's really what we want to strive for. these are sort of understandable responses to trauma we see and they're criminalized. >> we've seen young women who are tom tiraumatiztraumatized, experiencing loss and then having this additional victimization. it's very hard to hear, you know, it's hear fault. >> but that's the state of how this country views black people, black youth, black girls. we've talked about it on this show. the pathology our society assigns to black victims of crime. especially in encounters with police. to me, it is great we have this
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video that -- so this incident could be brought to light and other videos have, you know, literally shined a lot on these problems. what is also troubling to me is now we're reaching the point where not only do you have to have a near perfect victim so they can be totally unassailable in assigning guilt, but also if there's not a video, people will almost not believe it. i fear we're reaching the point when these incidents happen, people will demand to see a video and if there isn't one, they will discount it. even when we have the videos, over time, we're seeing these videos have been used more often to maybe absolve the student or the victim but not necessarily leading to charges of punishment of the officer involved. look at eric garner. having the video, the video record cuts both ways. >> i want to say thank you. up next, we want to get you the latest on the passenger plane crash. new charmin ultra strong, dude.
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we've got new information now on the breaking news we've been following. state-run television in egypt reporting anidentified the loca one of the black boxes of the passenger plane that crashed in the sinai peninsula. the russian embassy in egypt confirming there are no survivors. the airliner was traveling from sharm el sheikh airport to st. petersburg, russia. 217 passengers were on board along with 7 crew members. relatives of the passengers have been gathering at the airport in st. petersburg, waiting for updates. we have one of our producers headed that way soon right here on msnbc, we'll go to her when we're able to reach her. for now, nbc news correspondent ron mott looking at what's happening on this flight. the metro jet that has crashed, now as you're report, at least
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in our last discussion, the state-run television reporting they found one of those boxes. >> a crucial piece of evidence obviously. this investigation is only just gi beginning. we just heard from one of the russian aviation regulators who says it's simply too early to say what caused this plane to fall out of the sky. whether it was a technical malfunction, whethers there what an outside force that caused this plane to go down or whether this was a human error on the part of the pilots. we can tell you the russians said they were given promises by the egyptians that they will be fully cooperating with them. vladimir putin has called for a day of morning. he has sent a team of people down to egypt to the site of this crash to help find out exactly what happened. we know they have also sent investigators into the moscow offices of this airline metro jet. as you mentioned, they were last inspected in march of 2014 and had some issues, had some problems that the government gave them time to correct.
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apparently they did meet those deadlines and were able to go back in the air. we understand it's fewer than ten aircraft in the fleet for metro jet. this is a carrier, in american terms, a discount carcarrier, flying people back and forth to egypt, a popular vacation spot for them. one thing they'll look at at the airport in sharm el sheikh is the fuel used on the aircraft. and camera footage of anyone who had access to the exterior of the plane while it sat there before being loaded with passengers and taken off on this ill-fated flight, richard. >> nbc's ron mott reporting for us. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul?
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and expectations that so frequently define girls of color as defiant or disrupptive, impervious, even criminal? it can be dizzying to navigate a world where studies show sometimes the adults meant to guide and teach you often perceive you as a problem and expect less from you than from other students. girls for gender equity, an organization that supports young women of color, spoke with a few high schooler also about their special experiences with discipline in schools. >> i think with being a black girl, it's automatic assumption you're going to be louder in the classroom or the problem child. >> it makes me feel misunderstood and i'm very cautious now of what i do in school because i know if i say something, then it would be taken to the extreme. >> i focus on how my teacher makes me feel, not the positive energy around me. it causes me to really shut down and not want to be there. >> joining me now are some
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representatives from girls for gender equity. who this week participating in a white house forum on girls in color and public systems. gloria, and the rest of my panel are all advocates for girl gender equity. thank you for being here. we were seeing the video in the break, really hard to watch. i wonder if any of you have witnessed something similar? n i was in elementary school, i would see the teacher literally throw students across the classroom. and then at recess, as a young girl of color, i was not only afraid of teachers throwing me across the classroom but also young boys replicating the same things and throwing us, you know, in the playground and things like that. when we would go to administrators, they wouldn't listen. they would tell us that's how boys are or just don't play with
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the boys. so we would spend recess hiding from the administrators who don't listen to us, from teachers who might be harming us and from our fellow classmates who are harming us as well. >> and in a context, in which school resource officers are meant to be there to create greater safety in schools, i'm wondering if that also echoes your experience. >> yes. well, i've experienced a lot of physical abuse within schools and school safeties. i've been restrained by school safety where i was choked up. and then afterwards they tried to have me put in juvenile delinquent center where, you know, they suspended her but come to find out they switched her to my little sister's school. when she found out i was with her, that was my little sister, you know, they tried to attack her as well. >> so do you end up feeling like you have rights, like you have a voice, like you can speak back
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against that type of experience and behaviors? >> at the time, no. they did not allow me to, you know, voice my opinion, tell them exactly what was going on, where, in fact, you know, they were saying i assaulted her. when, in fact, i was the one who had the as ma attack and she only had a broken fingernail. >> again, it's hard for me when we were talking in the break and you're all sort of, you know, lovely young women who are pursuing education, doing all of these kinds things. and then to hear about these kinds of experiences, very clear violent or trauma, i was also reading in your conversation with one of my producers, your sense that some girls are given first and second chances and some girls never get a first chance. >> when i was in high school, as a survivor of multiple forms of violence in my life at home, the way i responded to my trauma was to re-enact that violence towards my fellow peers. and so when i was in high school, i have stabbed somebody,
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i choked somebody. and i threw a textbook at my physic teacher's face. not only was i not disciplined, i wasn't given detention, i wasn't even given a verbal warning. but nobody caught my trauma. >> no one saw that what was happening underneath was the violence that you've been experiencing outside of the school. >> yes. >> that is the story over and over again. part of the reason all of you were at the white house is because we talk about that school to prison pipeline for boys, but over and over again, for young women, the pipeline to juvenile detention and the pipeline to prison begins with sexual assault with violence, with intimate partners and family members at home. >> right. that's why it's so important we expand the narrative and scope of our definition of school. because currently it's only capturing the experiences of young people that are policed in these ways. girls of color experience violence inside and outside of school on a daily basis.
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in new york city, there are more safety officers than guidance counselors. they're not looking for the indicators. >> that idea of trauma and as you were talking about a secondary trauma that boys who are experiencing violence might then enact that violence on girls. i guess part of what i'm beyondering is if defiance is something that you can be held accountable for in school, what appropriate way can you get your sense of trauma out? >> being talked to. being listened to. and that's where the line crossed where, you know, there's no boundaries or, like, how to get these girls help. like, there are people who are introverted who have trauma, and there are people who are exstroe verdicteded who has trauma and they tonight realize that and that's where the issue stands at.
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and simone made history when she earned her third straight gymnastics title and standing on the podium with her 3.3 points behind was olympic champion gabby douglas and it was pure black magic. it is where misty copeland dominates the ballerina world, and serena williams on the tennis course, and viola davis captured the emmy, and the first lady is the first black lady of all time, but even in this age of visibility and achievement, their abilities are still not enough to shape young girls.
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and with the video that was captured this week, and the experience of these questions in that space. >> yeah, i think it was an e empower i empowering experience to not only bring our wisdom and the living experience s s to the wh house, but to have these researchers and advocates go up on the subsequent panels and reflect our language back at us. >> and that idea of the voices of girls and women of color might show up here, and i'm wondering if you see solutions in local communities of, you know, what i heard is that we need to be listened to, and e say our stories p. >> absolutely. we need to be lis eped to, and it is not like the girls of color are starting to experience these types of issues, and advocates and young girls of color have been speaking with the things that has been dealing with forever, and we are being, our experiences are being raised and not listened to, and that is the issue going on here. and we here in new york city, we
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have the women's initiative which was spearheaded by the speaker of new york city, and what we are doing is to talk to young women, and specifically about the types of experiences ta they lived experiences that they have within the communities and the different communities that they walk through in life, and whereas speaking to policy makers and researchers and looking over the data and the numbers that are missing, and yes we know. sand there an analysis across race and jegender, and how to b collecting research and breakdown the ethnicities of the individuals or the indigenous individuals or even the black community and the latino xun ti and how we get targeted data of how we reflect the experience of real women. and when we cross cut what it means to be a girl or young girl of color, and the other part of that is gender nonconforming or lesbian identities and queer
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identities and i want to know how that plays out in the schools. >> when i am identifying gnc, gender nonconforming. i have experienced the verbal n negativity that i am not able to classify myself as a woman or gender identity, and there is not a gay straight alliance in schools, and that is the issue where it lays at. so, you know, i feel like when it comes to the schools and gnc and trance folks, and queer people in general, they need to have more guidance for us as well as the people who are allies to us. >> so this is an issue of trying to think about girls of color inserting this experience of the multiple ways of experiencing black and brown girlhood into the conversation, what looks
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like a ray of hope, and what look like some kind of solution? >> well, first for the communities, lifted communities who addressed these issues for the schools and the the local place, but we also don't have a national initiative that addresses girls of color, and last year president obama issued an initiative to look at the disparities of the latinos and black men, and also as we are at the table, it is affecting girls of color, and so to not address the vulnerabilities, and the sexual violence and the issues with the parenting and all of the things that affect girls of colo color, it is horrible, right, and we can't expect black girls to be that magic. >> thank you to cory and malone and brittany and shi-shen, thank you so much. and now, last week we spoke
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ferguson, and it is high noon and welcome back to "weekends with alex witt" and i'm richard lui in for alex witt. and no survivors of the russian airline er t airliner that crashed in the eastern sinai early this morning. the metro airbus carried 224 people, and the flight leaving sharm el sheikh at the pe peninsula of egypt at just before 6:00 a.m. local time and headed for st. petersburg, russia, due north and disappeared from the radar 23 i minutes aftertakeoff. the egyptian search and rescue teams located the wreckage in northern sinai and

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