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debate performances. the new mantra, jeb can fix it. here he is a short time ago in tampa hitting back against his debate critics. >> as you may have heard, last week i was in colorado for the third republican debate. if you watched the debate, you probably came away thinking that the election's about sound bites or fantasy football or which candidate can interrupt the loudest. i'm here to tell you it is not. this election is not about a set of personalities. it's about a set of principles. >> msnbc political correspondent kasey hunt joins us from tampa. let's talk about jeb bush's attempt to readjust and improve quote, jeb can fix it. for instance, we understand he also got a new endorsement today. break it down for us. >> reporter: thomas, good afternoon. great to see you. jeb bush is starting here in tampa, started here in tampa, with a speech aimed at pushing that reset button. it kicks off a week-long
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campaign tour that he's doing starting here in florida, then going to south carolina and ending with a three-day bus tour in new hampshire. that's quite a bit of time to spend in any one place. it shows you just how important the bush campaign thinks new hampshire is going to be. but looming ahead of all of that of course is the next republican debate which is set for a week from tuesday so that's not a lot of time and bush does know that he doesn't have to just get better on the stump which he seems to have been. he's had a little more energy in iowa and here in tampa today than i have seen him previously on the trail. but he really needs to get better at debating. he knows that and he talked to chuck todd about it over the weekend. >> you have said you're not a good debater. you want to be a better one? >> yeah, i do. absolutely. i will be better. i know i got to get better doing the debate. i'm a grinder. when i see that i'm not doing something well, i reset and i get better.
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>> reporter: one of the things he had trouble with on that debate stage was landing punches. you saw him try to hit marco rubio. it didn't work out so well. he also tried to pick on donald trump a couple times and it hasn't necessarily broken through. he did have a new line today where he said you know, if you're working with congress as president of the united states, you can't just say you're fired and then go to commercial break. obviously a hit at donald trump. >> i think we all understand the undertones in that. let's talk about marco rubio. talk about the endorsement that he got and also the new polling out of new hampshire. >> reporter: marco rubio getting an endorsement today from colorado senator cory gardner, one of the younger members of the senate. he was just elected in 2014. so rubio's campaign is pulling that up as rubio being able to gather establishment endorsements but people who are of a generation that's similar to his. otherwise, bush does have more endorsements from members of congress than rubio does. but more importantly, thomas, one of the things we are seeing
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today is potentially a jump in numbers for marco rubio after that debate in new hampshire which is of course, the state that jeb bush absolutely has to win or what his campaign is saying they have to win at this stage. rubio is in third place in new hampshire but just behind donald trump and ben carson. ben carson has 16 in that new poll, rubio coming in with 13. so some signs of that debate performance is starting to take hold and we are going to start to see that in some of the numbers. >> msnbc's kasie hunt, great to see you. thank you. we are asking you what you think about jeb bush's efforts to reboot. my colleague frances rivera is here with the bing pulse question of the day. >> it is a shot in the arm he needs, admittedly. jeb bush saying i can acknowledge the fact this has been a bumpy ride. we are asking what you think as he sets this reset button with his campaign. can jeb bush fix it when it comes to his campaign? we got an early start on voting as we launched this at the top of the hour. pretty split right now, 47% say yes, 53% say no.
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we will see how much this changes when we assess this. keep the votes coming at pulse.msnbc.com. we will continue to track the votes, especially knowing this is something that jeb bush needs with those lackluster debate performances, drop in poll numbers and little bit of shake-up when it comes to his campaign staff. >> time is on his side. thanks so much. new developments in the other 2016 story we are following today. debate demands being drafted by the republican presidential campaigns. candidates have expressed their anger over the way the television net works and the party have handled previous debates. late last night, representatives of all but one of the campaigns went behind closed doors for an unpress didn presprecedented me any officials from the rnc present. hours later, the rnc announced a lead negotiator in an effort to stave off candidate revolt. reince priebus denied his team has lost control. >> look, there's 14 campaigns and so you know, it takes a few
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people i guess to create a narrative but no, the truth is we are involved, we are in control, we are setting the calendar. in fact, if what happens from last night goes forward, i think it's exactly where we want to be. >> after last week's widely criticized cnbc debate, the rnc suspended next february's nbc news/telemundo debate. this network, nbc news and telemundo share the same parent company. sources attending sunday night's meeting tell nbc news the bush campaign one of the spanish language telemundo debate reinstated but a trump representative threatened to boycott that. with more insight into the story, nbc's chris jansing joins me from the white house. i know nbc news has obtained an amended letter of questions to of the networks and debate sponsors. tell us about that and what the campaigns are truly requesting to move forward in lockstep with the rnc. >> reporter: this letter is what came out of this extraordinary unprecedented meeting last night. two plus hours long,
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representatives from all but one campaign. many campaign managers themselves were there as one of them put it to me, a lot of high salaries in that room. so here's kind of what they drafted together with the help of republican lawyer ben ginsburg. this is their list. they have to fill out a questionnaire about format length and names of moderators. this is what is going to happen for the networks who are hosting these debates. they have to schedule a conference call prior to the debates. a lot of criticism that they didn't know what they were going into. they have to allow candidates to use prior debates to determine participation in future debates t criteria is something that will be very interesting to watch. they want at least 30-second opening and closing statements, allow the candidates approval of graphics and biographies and end lightning round questions, questions that call for a show of hands. all of these things then are going to be reviewed by the campaigns for four days.
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they have to go back and then there will be a final letter that is sent to the broadcasters. >> so we talked about telemundo. the disagreement between the bush and trump campaigns on that. where else was there agreement or disagreement among the campaigns about how to address the already calendar scheduled events of the future debates? >> reporter: look, they are adversaries by nature, right? if you are donald trump or ben carson you are feeling pretty good about the way things are going. if you are somebody who was on an undercard debate, you are somebody who wants more time, one of the proposals by those who have been in those secondary debates is that they would like to see it all mixed up. two 90-minute debates, for example, where there would be some of the people at the top of the polls along with some of the people at the bottom of the polls. you can understand where they're coming from. the chances of that happening are very, very slim, although several people told me don't expect those undercard debates to go away. so look, they are going to be going forward as these things get worked out debate by debate,
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disagreements from campaign to campaign. >> nbc's chris jansing, great to see you. thank you very much. joining me now is diana bash, national press secretary for dr. ben carson's campaign. thanks for joining me again. it was your candidate a short time ago who spoke to reporters in florida about the rnc. i want to play what he had to say. take a listen. >> i'm just going to say i think the rnc has some cleaning up to do. i think they're in the process of doing that and i expect them to be a very valuable partner going forward. >> reporter: do you think chairman priebus needs to go? >> i think chairman priebus is demonstrating that he understands the distress that all the candidates are feeling and that he's willing to work with us in order to alleviate the situation. >> so dina, what kind of role does your campaign see the rnc playing in the process moving forward after yesterday's meeting? >> first, thank you for the invitation.
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i think dr. carson expressed it well in that the chairman certainly sees that there have been errors that have been made and the beautiful thing about this is that we have an extremely talented bench of candidates and i think that the rnc now understands that these debates should serve to highlight this impressive bench rather than working to destroy the impressive bench. it sounds like the chairman and the rnc, they understand and they are working towards making this a better process. certainly last night's meeting is unique and great in that some very diverse candidates got together and were able to -- their teams were able to begin to work to improve the republican brand rather than destroying it. >> as we look at where it stands right now, we know that after the 2012 election cycle, in that cycle, republicans actually did battle in 26 debates. the rnc then came out in the
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beginning of 2013 and talked about how they were going to amend the debate schedule. they sanctioned nine for the current cycle. as we look at this, your campaign is tied for the lead. fund-raising numbers through the roof. these debates and the campaign you are structuring is working for dr. carson. are you concerned that there is potential to mess with the rhythm that you have for first? >> well, you know, thomas, there are a number of ways that candidates are reaching out to the american public and the debate stage is just one of many avenues. so you know, dr. carson has certainly done well post-debate. some people don't necessarily think that the debate stage is the best platform for a candidate like dr. carson but again, after every debate, he certainly gains momentum, whether it's the number of facebook fans that we have or the twitter increase or even the fund-raising certainly increases after these debates. but again, it is only one of many ways that candidates are
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using to reach out to the voters. >> when it comes to the debates as we move forward, two things here. how does the campaign, in your opinion with dr. carson, differentiate between probing questions and got you questions, and secondly, do you agree with senator cruz that the moderators of primary debates should be people who actually cast a vote in the republican primary? >> well, you know, the litmus test for hod ramoderators, i do know that we settled on that but the debates should be focused on asking questions that draw a difference between the policy and the platforms of the different candidates and not necessarily the gotcha personality questions that seem to be more prevalent in this last debate. we have to remember, these debates are for americans. they are not for the moderators, not for the candidates. they should be, at least, designed so that the american public is able to gain a better
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understanding of who these candidates are. i don't think that it's unfair to say that most people watching this last cnbc debate did not feel that that was the case at all. >> dina bash, national press secretary for the ben carson campaign, nice to see you. thank you. >> thank you so much. so the hosts of "the view" are firing back at gop hopeful carli fiorina a day after the presidential hopeful lashed out at ben for calling her debate smile demeanted. she said let's see if they have the guts to say that to my face. this morning, the ladies on "the view" responded. >> the last time you were here and you will see b-roll running, we welcomed you to our table, we helped raise your -- >> profile? >> your profile, so you would be included in the sea of men. you weren't worried about any kind of republican backlash. nobody was backlashing. we were respectful and gave you your due.
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>> all right. we shall see what happens this friday. carly fiorina is scheduled to appear on "the view". on the democratic side of things, hillary clinton, bernie sanders and martin o'malley are getting set for their next face-off which happens in south carolina this friday, november 6th. candidates forum will be moderated by rachel maddow. coverage begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. next, an official looking into the crash of that russian plane says it was not caused by technical problems or human error. why did it suddenly break apart in air? we are live with the latest. plus the arrest of two papal insiders rocks the vatican just days before the release of two potentially damning books alleging corruption from inside the vatican walls. and mr. speaker, speaking out. what paul ryan says he will and won't do in his new role as speaker of the house. >> i do not believe we should advance comprehensive immigration legislation with a
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developing now, overseas investigators are rolling out reasons why a russian plane crashed in egypt killing all 224 people on board. you can understand the unimaginable and immense grief so many people are facing as they look for answers of lost loved ones. questions remain uncertain for so many families as they look for them but here's what we know right now. a ministry of aviation source tells nbc news the pilot did not make a distress call. the plane broke up in midair, according to a russian official. metrojet has ruled out technical failure as a cause but the russians have slapped that down. isis has claimed responsibility for shooting the plane down but
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officials have dismissed that as impossible. they say isis does not have the tools to do that. director of national intelligence james clapper weighed in earlier today at the evolving threat summit. >> we don't have any direct evidence of any terrorist involvement yet. >> does isis have the ability to shoot down an airliner? >> it's unlikely but i wouldn't rule it out. >> we are covering this story from all angles. nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely is in cairo, tom costello is in washington for us. i want to begin with bill. explain the kind of progress that investigators are making with the black boxes and the potential for the analysis that comes with that. >> reporter: yeah. in spite of the great mystery surrounding this, investigators have those two crucial pieces of evidence, the two black boxes. they have been working on them
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today. we understand they have downloaded the data from those black boxes but not necessarily analyzed them yet. that's russian and egyptian investigators. there are also french and irish investigators present here in cairo. what we do know factually is that there was no mayday or distress call from the pilot or the co-pilot in the cockpit. also, as you say, the plane broke up in midair and plunged to the ground very quickly. the question is why. metrojet said today the only feasible reason for the plane's breakup in the air was some sort of impact, a mechanical or physical impact on the aircraft. factually, that's not true. the russians slapped them down, saying that's premature and it's not grounded in fact. the other thing investigators will have to go on is the debris field. the wreckage on the ground. they have been all over that for the last few days. sometimes the wreckage will tell its own story. one final thing, this plane was involved in an incident before
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14 years ago when its tail, the tail section, scraped the runway and caused considerable damage. the records of that will be pored over to see if there was anything in that that could have caused this crash. so the investigators have a few things to go on but the key thing, those two black boxes. thomas? >> bill neely in cairo, thank you. want to bring in tom costello, who joins us from washington. as we listen to bill's report and what he's hearing about the two black boxes, how important is the raw data in contrast with the lack of distress call from the pilot? >> reporter: listen, all of that's important. i think what is going to be crucial now is to get a good firm read on the flight data recorder which literally measures and takes in hundreds of parameters of data to give the investigators all the clues as to how the plane was performing and then of course, the cockpit voice recorder. they will actually hear the discussions between the pilot and the co-pilot. you know, to pick up on bill's point, this is important, this
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plane was involved in some sort of a tail strike or the tail scraping the ground in cairo 14 years ago, and it was reportedly repaired by airbus itself. this is of course an airbus a-321 plane. so they will go back and look at who did the repairs, how thoroughly was it repaired and subsequently, have they done any thorough metallurgical examinations of the entire fuselage section that was repaired and that tail section to see whether there was any cracking because we have seen time and time again, the tiniest hairline fractures you might not even see to the eye can turn out to be catastrophic. we saw that with united airlines 232 that went down in 1989 in sioux city, iowa. we have seen it in the case of two big crafts, a 747 belonging to japan airlines and one belonging to china airlines. both of them crashed due to metal fatigue because a repair was not made properly.
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they are going to have to look very closely at whether that tail strike 14 years ago played a role in this accident or whether there might be some sort of explosive that was used to bring down this plane, or even crew error. all the possibilities are wide open right now. >> nbc's tom costello reporting in washington. thank you. want to move on to breaking news we have been following. a week's long mystery surrounding a vessel lost at sea. the ntsb confirms wreckage found at the bottom of the ocean belongs to el faro, the u.s. cargo ship sank east of the bahamas during hurricane joaquin. the ship appeared to be upright on the ocean floor 15,000 feet below the surface. remote controlled submarines were sent to confirm the wreckage and locate the ship's black box. 33 crew members died after that ship vanished on october 1st. still ahead, what you need to know about an e. coli episode in the pacific northwest. and whether it's safe to eat at a really popular food chain. and what the vatican doesn't
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talking to spanish language television reporters. it was earlier that jeb bush made these remarks in florida. take a listen. >> how do you fix your campaign? >> by campaigning with heart. by telling my story. by having a hopeful optimistic message, doing what i have been doing but doing it in a way that convinces people that we can fix these big complex problems in washington, that talking about things isn't going to solve people's problems. doing is what matters. i want to make that point over and over again over the next hundred days. this is the beginning of the campaign. look at the past herman cain was winning right now. hillary clinton was up 25 points this time eight years ago against an unknown guy whose name now is president barack obama. so this is the start of our journey. i'm excited about it. >> are you going to be able to have enough -- >> oh, yeah, that's not really the important point. we have done fine on that. >> you can't campaign without
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money. >> we've got a lot of it. >> does it make sense to cancel the telemundo debate? >> no, i think we should have a telemundo debate. >> considering hispanic outreach is -- >> i think we should have a telemundo debate or hispanic debate. it happened four years ago. telemundo is not part of the problem of cnbc. they just didn't keep their word. [ speaking a foreign language ] >> how should the debate rules change? >> talk to me about how you're not going to be part of it. >> i'm sorry? >> the noise makers, there have been a lot of loud voices. >> there are big personalities on the stage but no one will be lifted out of poverty, no one will get a pay increase just by
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talking down our country. we need tangible solutions to these big challenges we face. and i don't think you can, as we did eight years ago now, almost, we can bet on someone that doesn't have a proven record of accomplishment. that's my lane, man. you guys were around. we moved the needle. we reduced the state government work force, we led the nation in job growth. i can replicate that by changing the culture in washington. >> while you were in tallahassee -- >> here we have jeb bush talking to reporters in florida as he is stumping through the state today. reinvigorating his campaign. saying this is just the beginning of his campaign, also saying he feels there should be no cancellation of the telemundo debate. we shall see how this goes. he is just ramping up and has plenty of cash. so the job that paul ryan said he never wanted starts today.
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enforcement, interior security, that's one thing. but i do not believe we should advance comprehensive immigration legislation with a president who has proven himself untrustworthy on this issue. >> joining us from capitol hill, nbc's luke russert. ryan is saying that immigration reform won't be done at least while president obama is in office. as he begins the new speakership, he wanted to cast a larger vision than what his predecessor had or what was able to get done. how does this set up the forecast of what many people would think would be obstacles for ryan and this white house? >> reporter: well, he definitely wanted to set forward a larger vision because he said one of the big differences between him and john boehner, the last speaker, is he wanted to avoid governing from crisis to crisis. he sort of wanted to bring in the house gop conference with large scale ideas, similar to he had put forward in the past when he offered budgets and tax reform. all that being said, he has a few things right out of the gate that are going to be not the
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easiest political land mines to have to maneuver through. number one, you mentioned the highway bill. that comes due in a few weeks here in november. the house and senate are still far apart on a large scale bipartisan bill in terms of how everything is paid for. there is something coming out of the house, a six-year bill, that ryan's going to have to see what his members are willing to accept from the senate and vice versa. the most interesting thing i think coming out of the gate for paul ryan, december 11th. we talked about the last budget that john boehner passed for paul ryan, got rid of the shutdown issues. well, they agree on how much money they were going to spend but did not agree on how exactly they were going to spend it. that will be the real question because you have a lot of conservatives that say they should defund planned parenthood, defund obamacare, defund executive amamnesty. that will be difficult to maneuver. developing right now, president obama is taking his plan to reform the criminal justice system to new jersey. this hour, he's expected to visit the integrity house, an
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organization that helps prisoners with addiction treatment, housing assistance and employment. later this afternoon, the president will outline a new order to reduce discrimination against former convicts in the hiring process as they get back into the work force. his visit is being criticized by j in governor chris christie, who had this to say on "morning joe." >> it's a disgrace he's coming to new jersey today to take credit for this stuff when he's been someone who has undercut it and on criminal justice reform has done nothing, now wants to let 6,000 people out. >> the white house calling christie's comments irresponsible. nbc's lester holt will interview the president while he is in new jersey today. keep it on msnbc this afternoon for a first look. be sure to catch the full exclusive later tonight on "nbc nightly news". moving from washington to hollywood and also to tennessee. this is places where people are mourning the loss of fred thompson. the former senator and actor passed away sunday at the age of 73. his family says he was struggling with lymphoma, had been doing so for more than a
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decade. he was probably best known for his role as arthur branch in the tv show "law and order." it was his role as minority counsel to the senate watergate committee that arguably set off his career. >> mr. butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the oval office of the president? >> i was aware of listening devices, yes, sir. >> flashback there to 1973. john dean is the author of "worse than watergate" and former white house counsel to then president richard nixon, also the barry goldwater chair of american institutions at arizona state university. mr. dean, nice to see you. >> thank you. >> so thompson's question and butterfield's answer precipitated president nixon's resignation that happened a year later. how important was thompson to the investigation and how did nixon view fred thompson? >> well, a lot of impact in that question. first of all, on the issue of
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discovering the tapes and the question he asked, that was actually as scripted as any television show he ever did years later. the hard work and the heavy lifting was done at the staff level. that's where butterfield revealed several days before he appeared before thompson that there was such a system, in an effort to undercut my testimony where i said i thought i had been recorded. so that was all very scripted when they put him on to try to nail it down and get a public statement of it, and they used the minority because there had been a minority staffer who actually asked butterfield the question. it turned out to be politically very savvy. as for nixon's take on thompson, a number of tapes that have nixon expressing very severe doubt about fred, that he would particularly later, when he would cross-examine me, nixon wanted somebody much tougher. kind of interesting, fred said when he started questioning me,
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he said now i hope you won't take this personally. he was very deferential in questioning me. we were only about two or three years apart. >> as you talk about scripted, some would give thompson credit for howard baker's famous question to you regarding the president and nixon saying what did the president know and when did he know it. what's the story behind that? >> well, as i understand, that was sort of a mutual discussion they had when baker came up with that question, and it was a very clever question. what they were trying to do is pin me down for perjury and so go conversation by conversation and nail it down as tight as they could because they thought i was pushing the truth. of course, that wasn't true. i was actually undertestifying and being careful because i thought i was taped. >> so your perspective on fred thompson, looking back on quite a career, not only just in public service but also in public life? as many people know him on "law and order." your most personal reflection?
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>> i liked fred. i saw him in green rooms for the next 40 years after watergate and always shared pleasant exchanges with him. one time i told him during the bush years i thought he ought to go on the supreme court. he said god, don't raise that, i'm making money finally. don't want to go on the court. >> i had the opportunity to speak with fred thompson when he was promoting his first broadway play. i want to show it to you. take a listen. >> it's a real quick for me. this is totally different for me, to say the least. i have not been on broadway before. done a little minor but nothing like this. >> really a storied hollywood career, appearing in tv shows as well as movies. did you see this in him as you knew him as a young guy in washington? did you see an acting bug and a career like that for him moving forward? >> i think he played himself in every role he played. he was very much off the camera as he was on the camera. he was, had a very commanding
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presence because of his size, 6'5," 6'6," whatever it was. he was a very nice guy. he could be stern, played a little tougher role than i think he was in real life. he was a gentleman and he's a loss. he actually i think was one of the more rational republicans when he was in office. >> john dean, great to see you. thanks for your reflections. we are tracking developing news at this hour. concerns a popular food chain. dozens are now closed after an alarming e. coli outbreak. my colleague frances rivera has the latest on this place where i eat with patrick almost daily. >> you and a whole lot of other people. that's why this is so alarming. we are talking about chipotle, the popular mexican food chain. the e. coli outbreak is linked to the restaurant. so far eight people have been hospitalized, no deaths have been reported. chipotle has voluntarily closed 43 of its stores across oregon and washington state. it says out of abundance of
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caution. eight of the stores are linked to the outbreak. so far, 19 people in western washington state have gotten sick from e. coli and three people in the portland area. >> a majority of them have eaten at chipotle restaurant, leading us to believe a food product of chipotle may be the source. >> as the symptoms now are progressing in people, health officials expect more people to get sick as they investigate the cause of this. samples of food from the restaurant will be tested at fda government labs. in a statement, chipotle said quote, we are working with health department officials to determine the cause of this issue. we offer our deepest sympathies to those who have been affected by the situation. a major question everyone asking, you probably are asking, too, the fresh ingredients that chipotle uses, a reason why this outbreak has happened. you got to think of this, also. chipotle shares are even taking a hit in the stock market. they were down this morning as much as 5% but the number one
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concern for health officials, especially there in that part of the country, in washington state, is for these people to watch out for the symptoms. if you have intestinal sickness and you have eaten at a chipotle since mid-october, go see your doctor just to be sure. >> thank you very much for the update. appreciate it. other developing stories we are following for you today. north carolina police are hunting for a gunman who shot two students at winston-salem state university yesterday. one student is dead, another wounded. gunfire erupted on that campus. the 19-year-old victim, anthony white jr., a sophomore from charlotte. the university says there are no confirmed suspects at this time. there in colorado, this is a candle light vigil held last night for three people shot and killed by a gunman in broad daylight over the weekend. two women and a bicyclist who begged for his life, were murdered by the shooter. the shooter was killed in a gun
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battle with police. published reports say the 33-year-old gunman made a rambling blog post days earlier that railed against his father, religion and the government. and new york investigators are examining whether a medical condition may have caused a horrific halloween tragedy in new york city. two men and a 10-year-old girl died when a car plowed into a small group of trick or treaters saturday. four others were injured including the driver and a 3-year-old girl now listed in critical condition. no charges have been filed. new insight about the top level negotiations leading up to the bin laden raid, that's just one of the details inside a new book examining president obama's evolution on national security. the author of that book is going to join me next. first, have you been outside lately? yeah, it is september and november from coast to coast this week. our meteorologist is in the weather center to talk about the weather. this is pretty amazing for early november. >> that's right. it may go on for weeks. no sign of november today. we are tracking heavy rain across the southeast but look at
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[ speaking a foreign language ] look at this dramatic video of a scene in syria as the civil war there shows no signs of letting up. secretary of state john kerry will meet with his british counterpart tomorrow to discuss the crisis. this of course on the heels of president obama nounsing u.s. boots on the ground in syria to combat isis, a small piece of an ever-changing puzzle that president obama is confronted with in a post-9/11 presidency. charlie savage is a pulitzer prize winner correspondent for the "washington times" and author of "the power wars, inside obama's post-9/11 presidency." great to have you here. there is so much to cover in a book like this, especially after 9/11. let's talk about specifically the raid to kill osama bin laden and the four lawyers that were part of that. explain what happened. >> so in the fall of 2010, the
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cia believed it had figured out where bin laden was hiding and at first they were just trying to get more intelligence about who was in this compound but by the early 2011, they had started to deal with courses of action, should we to deal with courses of action. should we send a drone for a micro-missile? each of them raised legal issues of domestic and international law, sovereignty. very small elite circle of lawyers at the cia, the defense department and the national security council were forced to grapple with in total isolation. they were so worried about a leak to enable bin laden to get away, extremely closely held and extraordinary lawyering resulted. >> when it comes to how history looks at president obama, especially after 9/11, and fulfilling the promise that george w. bush made about getting osama bin laden how will history look back on this president, especially given the fact he was elected saying i'll
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draw down the two wars and seems like we are re-engaging in another conflict? >> i found that i was reporting out this book, took two years and talked to 150 current and former officials and it is a sort of investigative history of all the dilemmas in national security that this administration has grappled with from a lawyerly mind-set. obama and biden are lawyers and they were interested in justifying what they were doing in terms of authorization to point to and in thinking through these issues about power and constraint at the highest level and so what i'm doing is equipping people to answer that question by giving them a fly on the wall viewpoint on the dilemma after dilemma, who was there, events in the world happening and not obvious what the right answer is and how it is where we came to where we are today. >> amazing thinking about national security and the contrast to the foreign policy and intersect at the same time.
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egypt killing all 224 people on board? investigators, they're slowly ruling out reasons and here's what we know so far at this hour. a ministry of aviation source tells nbc news that the pilot did not make a distress call. the plane broke up in midair and metrojet ruled out technical failure as a cause and the russians disputing that. here's billneely in cairo for us. >> reporter: they have the flight recorders and working on them here in cairo all day and we understand that russian and egyptian investigators downloaded the data from those recorders, the cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder, but they haven't yet analyzed the data and joined by irish and french investigators so a multi-national team looking at the black boxes which ultimately will answer a lot of the questions. >> so we wait for that raw data.
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isis claimed responsibility for shooting the plane down. officials have dismissed that as impossible saying isis doesn't have the tools to do that. joining me is clive irving, author of "wide body." and a daily beast contributor. good to have you with us. let's talk about what you wrote about the fact in 2001 there was an injury, an accident with this plane, that may have doomed it in modern day. explain what happened then, how it was repaired and why that might be pivotal information now. >> what happened in 2001 was the plane made what's called a tail strike which means it came in to land and a nose too high up and instead of the wheels touching first, the rear end of the plane hit with some force and did considerable damage to it. it was repaired and obviously after being repaired certified as safe to fly and then
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underwent the usual regular checks right up until now and obviously nothing was found that suggested that there was any lingering problem from that impact. but i've related that to the fact that the evidence from the wreckage strewn all over the sinai is that the tail broke off from the rest of the plane and the two parts fell separately so with the combination of broken off tail and that anomaly in the airplane's history it would be natural for any investigator to look first, what an investigator starts looking at is history of the plane and this pops out from the history of the plane as being very suggestive. >> meanwhile, clive, we have this isis claim of responsibility. officials have dismissed that. however, the u.s. community of intelligence is saying with high confidence that this was n't exposed to an external
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influence. take a listen to james clapper today. >> we don't have any direct evidence of any terrorist involvement yet. does isis have the ability to shoot down an airliner? >> it's unlikely but i wouldn't rule it out. >> so at this point, clive, is the best course of action as this investigation moves forward ruling out to causes to zero in on what the potential options are for what caused this tragedy? >> yeah. well, the first thing is that it's -- highly unusual for a plane to break up in midair like this. only two things can happen. hit by another plane or by a missile or something catastrophic happened to the structure of the airplane and fell apart so all the evidence is in this case something catastrophic happened that made the plane break up at 31,000 feet and then fall like a stone to the ground. so if that -- if that is the case then we take a look at the
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way the wreckage is distributed and we see that the tail section is three miles away from the nose of the plane and we have to look to see if there's any sign of an explosion. we have to be very careful of the word of explosion. one very unfamiliar and one familiar. familiar one is the bomb, where there's ignition, smoke and fame. the unfamiliar is an explosive decompression meaning with a failure of the structure of the airplane, the pressure of the air inside the cabin 31,000 feet is far higher than the pressure of the air outside and if anything breaks and allows that pressure to be released it does as much damage in fact as a bomb. and looking at the wreckage on the ground here, it struck me that the wreckage of the tail section is very clean. there's no sign of fire, smoke or the normal kind of shrapnel impact of a bomb you would expect in the case of a bomb. so i'm concluding from that that
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it's quite possible there was an explosive decompression. allowed no time as we now know for them to contact air traffic control and almost instantaneous. >> we know there was no dispress call. both black boxes have been found. thank you. we appreciate your time. we move on now to developments in the controversy over the format of republican debates and new demands by the presidential campaigns. candidates expressed anger over the way that the tv networks handled the previous debates as well as the party itself. late last night, representatives from all but one of those campaigns went behind closed doors for an unprecedented meeting without officials from the republican national committee xrent and before the meeting, the rnc announced a lead negotiator to stave off a revolt. this morning, chairman reince priebus denied his team has lost control. >> look. there's 14 campaigns and so, you know, it takes a few people i
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guess to create a narrative but no. the truth is we're involved, we're in control. we're setting the calendar. in fact, if what happens from last night goes forward, i think it's exactly where we want to be. >> after last week's widely criticized cnbc debate, the rnc suspended next february's nbc debate. this network nbc and telemundo share the same parent company. nbc news is told they wanted the debate reinstated but a trump representative threatened to boycott. joining me from washington is nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. we have a newly amended version of the sort of questions that candidate have for the broadcasters. tell us about that and what they want exactly moving forward. >> reporter: well, what they want, thomas, is what reince priebus suggested that the rnc has, control. clearly, they're getting a big chunk of it.
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behind this is frustration. frustration about the process they think in the first three debates didn't go well, frustration of the media they think isn't fair and frankly as a person put it to me last night, a general sense of frustration that this has been a confounding, unpredicting come pain and had to reboot where they are and where they're going so this letter is now in the hands or going into hands of the campaigns. they have four days the look at it. here's some of the key point that is that they agreed to last night. they have to nil a questionnaire and allow at least 30 seconds for opening and closing statements. let's point out that the next debate with fox business doesn't have opening statements. allow candidates approval of graphics and bios. and end those lightning round questions and those questions where they ask for a raising of the hand. as i was talking to a lot of folks last night and one of the
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things that was pointed out to me, of the 25 and 30 people inside that room, a lot of them were the top people in their campaigns so as one person said, there are a lot of high salaries in that room. here's what one person told me. we are not prize steer being led. we have a lot to lose without a seat at the table. so the meeting was about us insisting we do. indeed, with the move and the letter that's what they're trying to get, thomas. >> chris jansing, thanks so much. just to point out to the viewers, a chance to speak with candidate george pataki with two representatives in that meeting and here with me at 30 rock this hour. now moving on to jeb bush trying to revamp his own campaign and take a look just in the last hour jeb bush talking about those very debates. >> whatever the rules are, they should keep to them. that's all i think people -- candidates want. the rules were established and they lost control over the entire process last time. the suggestion that this was all
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going to be about the economy and the debt and the big challenges americans face they didn't fulfill that so my hope is the next debate is focused on the issues that really matter to folks. >> jeb bush is in florida today pushing the message and the campaign slogan jeb can fix it. he's weathered headlines of poor debate and nervous donors and the rise of rubio with a strong debate last week and this is what jeb bush had to say about his one-time protege. >> he's a great guy, a good friend, a gifted politician. i just have the leadership skills to solve the problems. we have a little disagreement on that. >> so with the bush campaign in tampa, florida, is political correspondent kasie hunt. what's going to be different about the campaign going forward and also what do donors need to feel as jeb bush comes without the new statement of jeb can fix it? >> reporter: thomas, good afternoon. for jeb bush here, the idea is to go back to the kind of
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candidate that he is most comfortable being. if you read it through the speech that he gave today, he is -- it is in conjunction with this e-book, his e-mails from the time as governor of florida. it is a lot about him as a policy wonk, a lot about him in ways that maybe he was advised not to be. he's been told you need to push those zingers home, attack marco rubio and he's not able to come through on that and you saw him stepping up in a way that i haven't seen on the campaign trail yet. he was definitely more fired up, seemed more in his element. he was surrounded by people clearly very excited to be there. this is his home turf and a good way to start the reboot. as you say, the question is whether or not he can turn around particularly the debating skills and another debate next week and something that all of his donors able to tune in to easily on tv and something he's judged on pretty aggressively so i think that the jury is definitely still out but at this point, we are seeing a little bit of a different jeb bush than
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we have seen in the past week or so. >> kasie hunt in florida for us, thanks so much. so with jeb bush's new message and tour under way, we wanted to know what you think. jeb bush can fix it, can he, coming to his campaign? so the pulse has been live. and this is what people are saying so far. pulse.msnbc.com. currently 18% saying, yes. 82% saying, no. so the pulse remains live. go ahead. check it out. we will have more of your responses later in the hour. i want to bring in correspondent steve kornacki with news of a big boost for marco rubio's. what's the latest? >> there's a couple developments to tell you about with marco rubio. of course, the backdrop for all of this as you were talking about is a real moment of opportunity for the rubio campaign after that well-received debate last week, the question is, can he parlay it into something bigger, bigger poll numbers and donations, better endorsements? that sort of thing.
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that is moment of peril for jeb bush. is he going to start to lose some of that band cans wagon put together? the first bit of news is encouraging. is this a brand-new poll out of new hampshire, key first in the nation primary state. you can see donald trump leading up there. ben carson in second. there's marco rubio up at 13% right now and tripling his support in new hampshire. jeb bush back in sixth place at 7%. keep in mind there, jeb bush, his campaign, superpac, spent nearly $6 million on ads in new hampshire and rubio today, an endorsement, corey gardner, a republican freshman senator of colorado seen as a rising star in the party, he today endorsed rubio for president. listen to this. this is the rubio campaign responding saying cory is a next generation conservative leader. we're thrilled to have his support. that gets to the heart of the
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challenge for jeb bush right now as he tries 0 face off against marco rubio. rubio who's more than 20 years younger than jeb bush is really stressing generational themes. and jeb bush today in the reboot that speech you played some clips of down there in florida stressing the record as florida governor saying look at the record. i delivered conservative results. that matters more than rhetoric that you might hear from rubio. i think it's important to keep in mind here when jeb bush is talking about his gubernatorial record, what is he talking about? the years between 1998 and 2006. in other words, been almost a decade since he left office. almost two decades since he first got elected. in fact, 2002 was the last time that jeb bush's name appeared on a ballot when he was actually a candidate for office. 2002, just go through this. what was the world like when jeb bush last ran for office? "friends" was the number one show on television. "spin city," "car ma and greg."
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last year for them. the hippie parents and the straight-laced guy. number one album is eminem. in 2002. >> i like this. >> sports, l.a. lakers, kobe, shaq, phil jackson. who do they beat in the tight snl the nets. they don't exist anymore. >> i bet you're mad about that, too. >> who are the network news anchors? 2002, tom brokaw on nbc, peter jennings on abc, dan rather on cbs. not a single one of them anchored a nightly newscast in more than ten years. that was the world when jeb bush last ran for office. the world changed so much, thomas, in the years since then. the republican party has changed so much. so that is the fundamental challenge for jeb bush here. marco rubio is stressing the idea i'm the future of the party, i'm getting the next generation of leaders on board. jeb bush has to sell voters on, yeah, we'll not value that as much as we value your record from a decade ago. >> msnbc's steve kornacki, i love that breakdown.
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makes you nostalgic. thank you very much. appreciate it. with the u.s. ramping up the involvement in syria a new article is asking, will syria be obama's vietnam? i'll talk about with bill richardson next. out of new jersey, take a look at this. live pictures where president obama will be in newark today visiting a halfway house there called integrity house. it's to help benefit those that are looking for a second chance in life after they've been convicted of a crime. more on the new plan to rehab former inmates and then a shocking new claim about the church of scientology. coming from a former church member. the actress leah remini. >> being critical of tom cruise is being critical of scientology itself. you are a person who is anti- the aims and goals of scientology. you are evil. ♪ [music]
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we got to be very careful about ground troops in syria. there are two concerns we have in syria. one is isil. someone the assad regime. some players are playing both sides. and it's very difficult for us to differentiate that mission with ground troops so i'm very concerned about the interjection of any of american troops. >> there we have senator ben cardin, he spoke earlier to andrea mitchell about the president's decision to put up to 50 u.s. troops on the ground in syria to fight isis. and now some are posing the question, if syria will be president obama's vietnam. mike barnacle writing, quote, just 50 years ago the u.s. made the disastrous decision to ramp up its involvement in vietnam. is president obama repeating the
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same mistake? joining me now is former governor bill richardson, also former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. good to have you with me. do you see that parallel syria-vietnam that mike barnacle writes about or do you see it differently? >> no. although i like barnacle a lot. i don't see the parallel. i think this involvement is not too much. it's not too little. it's adjusting to the situation. i think it's just right. what we're talking about is 50 advise and consent special forces trainers. we are not talking about ground combat troops. this is a limited narrow mission. we are shifting our strategy, that makes sense. we are not training that rebel army. that didn't work. what we're doing is concentrating on northern syria, concentrating on the best fighting forces which is the kurds and trying to build on more than the 65-member coalition so that it's not just us doing the combat. >> talking about the 50 highly
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trained service members that are going to be dropped in to this situation, isn't that just a drip for what really needs to happen if the president wants to have an impact in what is ahead of that region? >> well, my view, thomas, is we need a no-fly zone. i'm not for ground troops there. look what tony blair said. he said ground troops, the invasion of iraq, created isis. the american people don't want ground troops there. i think one of president obama's legacies will be that he got us out of iraq and afghanistan. although we have some -- still have some 3,500 troops in iraq and some in afghanistan. so i don't see this as being a mission creep. i think the strategy makes sense right now. i would go a little fourth we are a no-fly zone. but ground troops, i don't think that's going to work.
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i don't think that's sustainable. expand the bombing missions. expand the coalition. get the saudis more involved. they have made a good sound about those 50-person force. they have said that it's a step in the right direction. and you know, iran is joining in the negotiations. i wouldn't count on that. because i don't trust them. but at least it looks like maybe the best answer here is a political settlement that involves the iraqis, syria, that -- to get assad out. involves the united states, iran, russia. russia's a big player here. >> we can only hope there's diplomatic solution but this is a reverse of the president's pledge not to put boots on the ground. thank you, sir. i appreciate it. want to turn to the explosive new claims coming out about the church of scientology levied by the actress leah remini. take a look. >> you can assume if you say something that's critical to the
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welcome back, everybody. now to the latest of claims of actress leah remini. frances rivera has more on that. >> she was with the church since 9 and tomorrow she's releasing a book about her time there. she's one of the highest profile members to leave and a lot of interest in what she says and
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the claims of punishment after she criticized tom cruise. nbc's christin dahlgren has more. >> reporter: the actress recounts how she once expressed concern over the behavior of tom cruise. >> he was like force bring kissing katie. i said, get a freaking room. i was written up for that. being critical of tom cruise is being critical of scientology itself. you are a person who is anti-anti the aims and goals of scientology. you are evil. >> reporter: she was a scientologist since 9 years old when her mother introduced her to the church but in "troublemaker" she describes the punishment suffered including after the wedding of tom cruise and kay hi holmes saying holmes complained about the behavior. >> you can assume if you say something that is critical to the church you will be written up. husband-wife.
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mother-daughter. it's what the group does to regulate itself. >> reporter: katie holmes released a statement in response to the claims. i regret having upset leah in the past and wish her only the best in the future. she says the cruise wedding weekend also marred by church attempts to recruit friends jennifer lopez and mark anthony. >> maybe i was barring that road for that. i was sent to florida for reprogramming. for three to four months. >> reporter: the interview the latest public controversy for the church of scientology. on the heels of the documentary going clear released earlier this year. featuring other former members speaking out about the religion. and the church's now fighting back against remini n. a statement to nbc news saying in part her repeated ethical lapses and callous treatment of others led to a review which resulted in her being expelled. she now regurgitates the tired myths the church has repeatedly debunked. >> that was kristen dahlgren
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reporting. the church denies the claim of jennifer lopez claiming she was disrespectful to lopez and also emphasize the organization's, quote, global humanitarian initiatives and social betterment programs. also interesting to see the words she uses, thomas, when having to go back to the reprogrammed, just the common terminology within the church, ill guess. >> fascinating insight. for sure. thank you so much. we talk more about 2016 right now and the campaigns versus the rnc. we'll discuss the list of demands the campaigns are making with a kand date. former governor george pataki is joining me. president obama visiting newark, expected to call for criminal justice reform. more on his plan to help former inmates who are looking to get a second chance. more than a netw. it's how you stay connected. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you get an industry leading broadband network and cloud and hosting services. centurylink.
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a partner with the campaignss i all of this. the rnc will have a role but the campaigns will be doing the format negotiations. >> so that there ben ginsburg, the leading negotiator over the format of future debates and representatives of the republican campaigns met on sunday. rnc was not invited to the meeting and announced a change in committee leadership on debates in order to quell a potential candidate revolt. many campaigns are upset with debate issues of format, questions and more. much of this coming after the party decided to suspend nbc news and its sister company's debate. this network and those networks share the same parent company. today jeb bush told reporters he hopes that the telemundo debate is reinstated. joining me now is candidate and former new york governor george pataki. good to have you with me. >> good to be with you, thomas. >> your first thoughts about the meeting was and why you wanted two representatives in that
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meeting. >> basically was that in past years campaigning directed in finding out the nature of the debates. this time the campaigns didn't hear anything until a day or two before the debate. they have to make sure it's fair to all the candidates and appropriate. >> you bring up who's doing the questioning, senator ted cruz says he thinks there should be people that voted in a republican primary. if they're going to be a moderator of a debate. do you feel that way? >> no. not at all. i was governor in new york. i'm used to the new york press. whoever asks the question or the nature of the question doesn't bother me. i want the opportunity to get the message out and the exposure. with early national polls limited that. you have two different debates, based on early national polls. i think it is ridiculous. i think i have a strong message. i wish more people could hear that message. >> coming to how the debates have been unfolding you have been in the undercard. >> that's right.
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>> you were performing in the latest debate with bobby jindal and lindsay graham and rick santorum. >> right. >> monmouth university still has you at 1%. >> right. >> so it's your druthers that you'd like to be on the main stage tus ling with the bigger candidates and how do you think that moderators can handle 15, 16 plus people on the stage. >> you can't. you can't. it makes sense to have two debates but you do seven and seven. selected more randomly. you look at those numbers or the poll numbers, i'm at 1%. almost nobody is above 3%. it's all within the margin error. at this early stage, the national polls are more name i.d. and money. and i haven't been in public office for a while and not a lot of money to run ads but i think it's about ideas, your vision and able to bring the country together and if i have the chance to get the message out there i'm confident those numbers will go way up. >> rand paul is not above 3% on
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the monmouth university poll and what he had to say about the debates a short time ago in new hampshire. >> 20 million people are watching the republican primary debates and a lot of people, makes a lot of money for the networks. that should be used to get objective broadcasters or moderators. i know most of the national broadcast broadcasters, i can tell you ten i don't know if they're republican or debamocrat. i know ten that are liberal democrats and you don't want that. >> going forward and fox news was the first debate, there was, you know, foul cried on that. we have had other issues moving forward so what do you think the leverage is for campaigns that are unhappy with the rnc and remind everybody that the rnc altered the debate schedule after 2012 to have better control in this cycle. >> ultimately, it is not the rnc debating. it's the campaigns, the candidates. if they got together as they did
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yesterday and said, we want a different format, we want fairness, equal time for all the candidates, the rnc i think steps aside. not like there's a big feud. in my view, you know, i don't care who does the questions. we are running against hillary clinton. and it's not as though we're standing there not getting tough questions, unfair questions pointed our way. you have to be able to respond to those and talk about your vision and bringing americans, republicans and democrats together and i hope to have the chance to do. >> always nice to see you, sir. >> thank you, thomas. we move on to jeb bush and what he is up to today trying to retool the campaign. hit the reset button after what's widely panned as a dismal debate performance and last week on "meet the press" chuck todd asked him about an issue that tends to divide republicans and democrats. the issue of the death penalty. >> changed your mind on the death penalty? >> i'm conflicted. i am. it was the law of the land when
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i was governor and i faithfully dealt with it. to be honest with you, it's not a deterrent anymore. it's seldom used. clogs up the courts. costs a ton of money. >> my colleague frances rivera with the results of the bing pulse question of the day. easy for me to say, frances. has to do with jeb bush. what are they saying? >> see if it's easy for him to do, jeb bush fixing it coming to his campaign. that's where we're asking our bing pulse question today. movement in the voting from what we have seen checking in with you last time. 18% for those viewers that believe yes, he can fix it. that's dropped down and looking at the realtime and people voting, doesn't reflect that. shows more fluctuation. you can think based on how people vote right now, this is more split but that's not the case taking a look at this now continue to weigh in on the conversation. let's see if it changes even more and if the yeses continue to grow from 28% where it stands right now.
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pulse.msnbc.com and asking you can jeb bush fix it coming to his campaign, thomas? >> thank you. now to developing news where president obama is taking new steps in his criminal justice reform plan. within the last few minutes, the president arrived at integrity house, that is a halfway house and drug treatment center in newark, new jersey. that's where he is highlighting efforts to reintegrate prisoners back into communities. in just a few hours, this is where the president is expected to announce series of executive actions. joining me with more on that, chief legal correspondent ari melber. break down the actions that the president is expected to announce today and the ripple effect in the justice department. >> this is a big event, thomas. starting out the big picture is a plan the justice department is calling smart on crime. shorter, fairer sentences where folks basically are going to jail for long times for nonviolent offenses, rehab and
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assistance and people going out of jail they might be able to get a job and get back on the right side of the law. now, this morning the president announced he's banning the box, basically delaying the use of a criminal record check on 'em employees to the federal government and something i was working on on a story this weekend on washington, d.c. and third to finish the question, they're doing tech training. you might not know how to do basic things that everyone knows with e-mail and social media and apps. that's a training program, again, designed to help people on their way out actually get jobs. to the ban the box point, i was at a reentry program this weekend in washington d.c. and met bill cobb, out of prison for 15 years and still says he's terminated anyone finds out about the record. here's what he said. >> making it impossible for me to be employed, for me to
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provide for my daughter, is whether or not it's fair is an understatement. it's simply un-american. we did our time. we paid our debt. and we desperately want to become a part of the american dream again so to systemically be eliminated from pursuing our dreams, goals and objectives and contributing to the fabric of america, it's not only unfair but it's wrong. >> that was at a re-entry program basically taking people coming out and trying to get them jobs, justice department says, thomas, that 60% to 75% people getting out of prison can't find a job in the first year, this's a public safety problem to encourage people to earn their lives and not return to a life of crime. >> thank you very much. interesting to see how this will actually work going forward. we'll hear from the president tonight. the president sitting down part one of lester holt's exclusive with the president.
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it's the first pot legalization effort bankrolled by the very people who will profit from future sales and that's driven a wedge into the usual pro-cannabis coalition because it creates a monopoly on sales for the main investors of of that campaign. joining me here in the studio, national reporter tony diculpa. explain what's going on. this is prominent investors. nikock la shachey and the other. so explain their interest in why this measure should go through. >> in all the other states, legalize odd this point, legalization passed and then it was an open market. anyone who got a license able to set up a business and if your business worked, you succeeded. in this case, the people bankrolling the legalization effort are exclusively entitled to grow and sell the pot if legalization passes and it's a casino model. they have the farms and they had to put up $4 million each just
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to get this on the ballot. and if it goes through, they stand to make tens of millions. by an estimate, their farms worth a billion dollars in a decade. >> is this the pro-cannabis strategy or this seems like the an th-- sis of that. >> the argument is you have big business and investors are setting themselves up to profit and to your point the big pro-marijuana lobbies like the marijuana policy project and the drug policy alliance they have declined to endorse this legalization push. >> all right. so as we look at where this is standing within the state of ohio politics, the general assembly put together a competing initiative, issue 2, this will complicate matters for those issued in issue 3, issue 2. how does it play out and polls? >> both polling about 50-50. so you could have a scenario tomorrow where a legalization ballot initiative passes and
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lateral. they practiced that on wednesday. time's going to expire on the game. this either goes or it doesn't. ball's still alive! it's got to be a backwards lateral. get behind it. still alive. >> duke doing a nice job staying spacing all over. oh! >> blockers. they got blockers? they have a lane! 40 yard line! no black shirts between the goal line. can you believe what you just saw? >> no. nobody can believe it. what a play this was. blowing up on the social feeds. they needed a miracle to win against the duke blue devils.
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the play isn't without controversy. the conference suspended that officiating crew for a series of errors on the game's final play. joining me is jordan schultz and a host of nbc sports radio program. let's take a look at this play. you go in to where the referees and the replay officials should have spotted it. >> right here at the 26, clearly see his knee is down. no question about that. that's his call. right on top of it. if he calls that dead, the game's dead. zero seconds on the clock. that's what should have happened and an illegal block in the back and a flag picked up, thomas. basically the referee said, i don't want to screw this game up anymore. he picked up the flag. he didn't talk to the other officials and game over once miami scored the touchdown. >> why not go back with the officials and look at this and be like -- >> that's why the duke coach is going crazy and the acc suspended the guys.
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we have all the great technology in place to make -- to disallow this from happening or if it does happen, to fix it. now, at the time, they ran up the field. they did not review it. supposed to be reviewed, like, if this is the middle of the game, the second quarter, that would have been reviewed and overturned. the game was over and don't review it. almost laughable. you can't believe it. >> you think that the league go ahead now and -- >> what i think the acc, not just because of this, so much surrounding here but the acc -- all that's changed, thomas, is that we now know they screwed up. the game itself was over. miami should have lost the game. now you're talking about duke's acc hopes potentially being dashed. you're talking about miami who fired their head coach this week or last week now getting this unbelievable win for this interim coach. none of that happened. the call on the field was wrong and now the duke players, you know, suspending the referees
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doesn't actually help the duke players. all it does is make them more angry. >> you made yourself a target for thmiami fans throughout. >> i know, i know. miami football is in the dumps. this shouldn't have happened. >> really epic to watch, though. everybody tweeting about this. it's like a movie. come to life. it's unbelievable. george with the huffington post, thank you. >> thank you. thank you for your time. that wraps up this show. see you back here tomorrow 1:00 p.m. eastern. keep the conversation going and kate snow picks up the coverage next.
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numbers out today about kids and technology, what parents need to know. but we'll begin in egypt where investigators want to know why and how a russian passenger plane crashed on the sinai peninsula killing all 224 people on board. airline officials are saying that, quote, an external influence is the only plausible explanation for why the plane broke into pieces midair before hitting the ground, excludeing on their part technical or human error. nbc's bill neely is following the story for us and joins us from cairo. good evening. what's happening now? >> reporter: good evening, kate. good afternoon to you. investigators have got quite a lot to work on. fifrs of all, all day, they have been working on the two black box flight recorders. they have been downloading the data. we understand they haven't begun analyzing that yet and a huge field of debris to work

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