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the free world was hanging out in this small state in the middle of the heartland, it's a very bizarre thing. but to people here, it's just sort of old hat. >> as the daughter tonight on "all in" -- >> marco, marco, marco. >> donald trump shifts his focus to the other florida candidate. >> look at marco's stance on illegal immigration. it's really trouble for him. >> as president obama has a little fun with the republican field. >> they can't handle a bunch of cnbc moderators. >> then ben carson continues his book tour. >> i'm not a politician. so i don't sit around and strategize. >> we'll discuss whether he's actually running for president. >> plus, after a huge month for
hillary clinton, i'll ask bernie sanders how he plans to combat her surging poll numbers and voters cast ballots across the country today. what the governor's race in kentucky tells us about obamacare and the democrats in 2016 when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. a group of republican presidential candidates is moving ahead with their effort to seize debate negotiations away from the rnc, but after some high profile defections and continuing criticism from their allies that effort seems to have crash the and burn before it got off the ground. tonight a joint letter signed by several candidates is expected to go out to the tv networks asking them to commit to a pledge to keep the temperature in the hall below 67 degrees, but yesterday within 24 hours of drafting that letter sunday night, reps for at least four of the candidates said they decided not to sign it. donald trump, chris christie i, john kasich and carly fiorina. as the candidates' coup was
falling apart last night, president obama was appearing at a fund raiser in new york where he turned republican outrage over the last debate into a pretty effective punch line. >> every one of these candidates say, you know, obama's weak. putin's kicking sand in his face. when i talk to putin, he's going to straighten out. just looking at him, he's going to be -- and then it turns out they can't handle a bunch of cnbc moderators at a debate. if you can't handle those guys, you know, then i don't think the chinese and the russians are going to be too worried about you. >> even megyn kelly was ridiculing the gop candidates mocking the demands in their letter to the networks. >> they want all the candidates
to receive similarly substantive questions. no lightning rounds of questioning. approval of on screen graphics aired during the debate. the network should commit they will not ask yes or nor candidates, allow candidate to candidate questions and maybe like the foot massage or a little. >> no brown m&ms. >> in an interview on fox news, campaign manager for ben carson insisted the collective bargaining experiment was a success despite the defections. >> i really don't care you know who's got the signed letter as long as we interject ourselves in the process, learn earlier what the format is so we can all plan and do a better job. >> in the wake of the debate last week, if there was one area of consensus it was that marco rubio emerged as the best hope for the gop's establishment wing. his support more than tripled after the debate moving him
behind ben carson and donald trump. but other polls have yet to reflect rubio's victory by elite acclamation. a new poll from his home state of florida, trump is way out ahead topping both carson and rubio more than two to one. that hasn't stopped donald trump from setting his sights on rubio attacking him over his poor attendance record in the senate, personal finances and subject where he's most vulnerable in a republican primary, his stance on immigration. >> i think that really marco is overrated. marco doesn't show up not united states senate. marco is a sitting senator and he doesn't show up for the people of florida. his personal finances, look at his credit card. i'm in florida all the time. and for years, i've been hearing that his credit cards are a disaster. he certainly lives above his
means. no question about that. you look at marco rubio, very, very weak on illegal immigration. look at marco's stance on illegal immigration. it's really trouble for him. i don't see how he can win. >> joining me conservative a.j. delgado and marie hinojosa. a.j., let me start with you. you're a florida resident. you declared you're supporting donald trump. the immigration issue, factor that rubio was one of the gang of eight that co-wrote the senate's comprehensive immigration bill before he abandoned it, it strikes me as his single biggest policy vulnerability in a republican primary. >> it is. i think the voters have shown that immigration is the critical issue in this election. that's why we're seeing rubio is barely into double digits. trump leading him at 37% to 16%. in rubio's own state. when immigration has become such a critical issue, it's why donald trump rose the way he did because he said what we wanted to hear on immigration. how can you then have the guy who spearheaded who was the front man for the gang of eight as a republican nominee? it's highly unlikely to happen. the poll numbers are showing that. >> i want to play you what marco rubio said a few moments ago on
fox about comprehensive immigration reform and the fact that he rescinded support for the bill he wrote. take a listen. >> a lot has changed since 2013, a migratory crisis on the southern border, unlawful executive order that legalized 5 million adults in this country. the only way to move forward on reform now begins by proving to the american people we're making significant serious progress on limiting illegal immigration. until you do that, you're not going to be able to do anything else on immigration. >> here's the problem for him. that clearly doesn't scan. the idea that he made -- he sort of was informed by substantive developments to rescind his support, is anyone buying that? >> i'm kind of stuck at the part where he's at what happened to the central american refugees over the summer and he's changing everything. i'm like really? first of all, remember that children have been copping to
this country from central america from the rest of latin america for years. this is nothing new.this is not. >> that's the point. right? it scans so obviously disingenuously, how can people think you're serious? >> what's that everybody's wondering. if those numbers of rubio's interests really are showing across the country, then what's going to happen in terms of latino voters looking at his very specific policy decision? not only on immigration but something interesting we found because latino usa is doing a whole hour about latino voters women this week. women are turning out in higher numbers than latino men. one of the issues driving them is productive rights. you put that together and you're going to have a real situation there. >> obviously latino voters are not single issues on immigration. there's long been the idea if we can get over the immigration issue, we can win them on gop side. on the flipside of that, there
are a lot of single issue immigration voters in the republican primary. that is something that i think a lot of folks continue to not get their head around. like these people who care about immigration first who want the wall who like donald trump on this, they're serious. they are going to vote on this issue. >> and many of them are latinos like me. that's the big myth is people assume if you're latino, you're in favor of immigration reform, against the border and border security. it's not true. a gallup poll showed two out of three latinos want less immigration. you also sees in florida, trump is beating by more than twice the support both rubio and jeb who are both pro immigration reform with latino voters. so the myth has been debunked that latinos here are somehow all pro immigration reform. it's not true. we're like every other american. jobs, the economy, education, health care are our top issues. >> a quick interjection here. the polling on comprehensive
immigration reform does show wide margins of latinos supporting. reliably. >> among republicans though? >> latinos generally as a voting bloc, latinos widely support in poll after poll a pathway to citizenship. that is a polling fact about them in the country. that said, millions of people -- >> i dispute that. two out of three in the gallup poll want less immigration. >> that's a different thing. wanting less immigration is a different thing than supporting reform. >> there's other information. you know, one out of every four latinos knows someone who has been detained or deported. one out of every three latinos worry someone they know could be key attained or deported. those are very real numbers. this is a heart issue. there may be a concern maybe we should control immigration. >> or have less or have border security. >> people would say if we could stand in line to get the proper paperwork, we would do that. there is no line which is the
other thing that no one understands. there's no line to stand in. >> a.j., the point to me here also seems that rubio right now and this is true i think in both directions, he's caught in no-man's land. i mean, if you're someone who wants border security who is suspicious that the republican party as soon as they get in will sell you on immigration reform, you can't trust marco rubio. if you want comprehensive immigration reform, the guy's abandoned his own bill. you can't trust him either way. >> he's lying about it. last week on the debate stage he stood up and said immigration should be merit based. you look at his record and the gang of eight bill had less than 10% merit based immigration. the marco rubio that goes out on campaign and says what we want to hear and you do your homework, it takes 30 seconds to google it, wait, he's saying something completely different. he's in his own no-man's land. >> if marco rubio really wanted
to go into this issue and say okay, i actually am for a pathway to citizenship, is the republican party going to support him in doing that? >> no, he's not had here's his only play i think politically is to lie in the primary and then if he gets the nomination to just have a sort of about face road to damascus moment where he says the bill that i wrote, the one that i abandoned, i'm back for that now. honestly. you know what, that's what you will see. >> which he's done. he's flip-flopped so much. >> i'm hearing this as i'm out there doing the reporting. there is a sense that wow, he looked good. >> right. >> interesting. you know, will he be able to reach with the mexican-american community has a very different experience on immigration than he does? we shall see. it's too early to tell. >> a.j., maria, thank you both. that was great. i'm joined by jim nicholson who served under george w. bush, chairman of the republican national committee in 2001. what are your thoughts on what
the heck is happening over there with the management of this year's race? how unprecedented is what we're seeing? >> it's not so unprecedented. it's pretty normal especially when you have a covey of talented candidates like we do. they all have strong egos, strong desires. strong staffs. and plus, you know, they ran into a buzzsaw in the cnbc debate. so what's important is to realize what the responsibility of the rnc is. and the rnc is sort of the transcendent, the overarching entity that arranges for the debates tries to get some framework around them so that the candidates whoever shows up to be a candidate in the party, and they don't have any control over that, will have a fair opportunity in these debates to present themselves to the american people. that's mission number one of the rnc. and then mission number two is to carry the water for the candidates if the candidates are all in agreement.
but if they're not in agreement, the rnc can't advocate for them because they have to be neutral. >> right. >> and you know, what's good for the goose may not be good for the gander in some of these debates. some of them don't mind a three-hour debate. some of them. >> that's part what have we're seeing the fissures in the wake of this, what appears to be a failed experiment the an collective bargaining with the networks. you were at the rnc in the 2000 election. what struck me as so different was everyone remembers essentially the way the bush donor network and the bush folks were able to kind of come in and if not clear the field obviously
had he competition, john mccain gave him a run for his money but there was a sense in which the power of that establishment and than network income 2000 was much more powerful than the version of that for jeb bush in 2015. does that seem like the case to you? >> it does. there's no question. and one of the other things that jeb has to put up with is the dissipation factor. there are many more really serious talented candidates this time than there were in 2000. you know, one of the candidates we had who didn't do very well was pat buchanan. what did he do? he didn't just leave the debates. he left the party. that's another challenge for the party chairman is to keep everybody in the boat because it's going to be very important that we don't have one of these candidates do a third party candidacy in what will obviously be a very close election.
>> do you think that's a possibility? >> no, i don't have any reason to think that they will. in fact, i think he has them all committed to supporting the winner of the primary process including done trump who signed a piece of paper saying that he would and i take him at his word that heal do that if he doesn't win the nomination himself. >> i can't imagine donald trump reneging on a deal. thank you very much. coming up, benny sanders joins me to talk about his strategy to catch hillary in the polls and he weighs in in a shocking study. plus is there an imposter in candidates' clothing. compelling arguments that one of the republican candidates isn't actually running for president. later, arguably the biggest race in the country today. how a kentucky case would be a referendum on the state of obamacare. those stories and more ahead. elh i'm gellin'. you gellin'? i'm like magellan, i'm so gellin'. quit yellin' we're gellin'. riigghhttt. dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles are so soft they make any shoe feel outrageously comfortable. are you gellin'? dr. scholl's. hey! how are you?g? where are we watching the game? you'll see.
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the mortality rate is up. and this trend is specific 0 to white folks in this country. that blue line is the death rate for middle aged hispanics for instance. their mortality rate is dropping along with everyone else's. middle aged white americans are the only group dying at a higher rate than they used to. every other age group death rates have been falling. what is causing this? according to them, an uptick in suicide, drug and alcohol poisoning and chronic liver of diseases and cirrhosis. in other words, drinking yourself to death. had shows what's happening. more deaths from chronic liver diseases, more suicides and perhaps most shocking a huge uptick in drug and alcohol poisonings, overdoses. the increase in more at that time is not being driven by affluent white americans but less educated white americans going through extremely hard times economically. from 1999 to the 2013, the inflation adjusted income for high schools headed by a high
school graduate fell. a fifth of their income disappeared. what we are seeing in the charts is an absolutely crisis. we've seen it affecting the presidential race as people pack town halls to discuss heroin addiction in new hampshire. we come back, a ask bernie sanders democratic candidate for president what we can do to address it. that's next. romantic moments can happen spontaneously, so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach,
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43-36%. clinton's increased her lead over sanders nationally. clinton held a 25-point lead over sanders in october. a lead she has increased by six points. she now leads 62-31fationwide with martin o'malley taking 3%. i sat down with sanders this afternoon and started by asking him how at the thinks about altering his campaign strategy based on the poll. >> one of the major alterations is as you know, secretary clinton has put thing like $6 million, $7 million into campaign ads, tv ads in iowa and new hampshire. we haven't spent a nickel. well, today ha changes. and we have an ad up and we will continue to do tv and radio. i think that will have a significant impact because a lot of people especially in iowa who don't know who i am or what i stand for. but second of all, we're feeling
very good, chris. when we started this campaign, as you know, i was considered to be a fringe candidate. i was at 3%, 5%. we have gained a lot of ground in the last six months. i think we're going to continue to gain ground by talking about the real issues that impact the american middle class income and wealth inequality, the collapse of the american working class, climate change and the fact that we have more people in jail than any other country on earth. >> let me ask you this. there's this forum that my colleague rachel maddow will be moderating this friday. and it's an interesting format. it's an opportunity to show at length parts of yourself you don't normally speak about or have an opportunity. are there parts of the bernie sanders is' agenda you feel democratic primary voters don't know enough about? >> i this i in essence what i believe, chris, and what many people don't know the is that given the nature of class politics in america, given the fact that we have a corrupt
campaign finance system that we have an economy that is rigged, the major point that i am making is that establishment politicians cannot make the kinds of changes that we need in these very, very difficult times. you can't run a super pac and get money from wall street and say yeah, i'm going to take on wall street. what we need now is a political movement of millions of people to transform american society, the same old same old just won't do it. and that is the point that has to, i think, be made clear from our campaign's perspective. >> you just talked about money and politics and the unprecedented amount of money we have and a kind of democratic inequality. there was a interview with the koch brothers. i want to play you this exchange
about corporate welfare and get your reaction. take a lis. >> what would you say to your critics who would say you're just like any other crony capitalist and you give money and expect something in return like donald trump says. >> i expect something in return. i would love to have the government stop this corporate welfare. that's what i want. i want the government to let companies or require that companies only profit by helping make other people's lives better. >> that's charles koch expressing his commitment to ending corporate welfare. do you buy that, senator? >> and making life for people better, no doubt. look, you know, in 1980, chris, and we don't talk about this enough. david koch ran for vice president of the united states on the libertarian party ticket.
what his agenda was, it was not to cut social security or medicare. but to end social security, end medicare, end medicaid and the epa and the kept of the environmental protection agency. beak he wanted to eliminate virtually every program developed since fdr designed to help working people and the middle class. that is their agenda. and to tell you the truth, you know, 30 years have come and gone, i don't think that agenda has changed at all. what these guys are doing is spending unbelievable sums of money, $900 million of this campaign psych to support right wing candidates who are going to war big-time against working families and the middle class. i do not think the koch brothers want to make life better for ordinary people. >> there was this study that has been getting a lot of attention, was published yesterday. we just talked about it just a few moments ago. i talked about it in which the
mortality rates for white people in this country, 45 to 55, are going up when the mortality rates for everyone is going down, everyone in the developed world is going down. the main drivers of that are folks with just a high school education and things like overdoses from drug addiction, suicide, cirrhosis from alcohol abuse. i mean, what do you think about what this data shows about this crisis? real crisis? >> chris, first of all thank you very much for discussing it on your program. when i talk about the collapse of the american working class, that's what i'm talking about. you know, a couple of years ago, there was a study that came out that women in certain counties in kentucky and west virginia i believe were seeing a decline in their life expectancy compared to their mother's. what this is about is totally shocking. and what it tells you is that there are millions of people in this country, working class people, whose standard of living is going down. they are experiencing very high
levels of unemployment. they are in despair. they don't see anything in front of them in terms of the future that's going to work for them. and this opiate addiction leading to heroin has been a disaster. alcohol, of course, is a disaster. suicide rates are soaring. this is a crisis. and it speaks to what is going on for millions of families in this country an issue that we have got to address in the wealthiest country in the history of the world. >> here's my question for you. if you look at the demographics of that group as a voting bloc, white folks particularly with say just a high school education, this vote overwhelmingly republican. they've been moving and not just voting republican but have getting more republican over time. there's a certain strain of political analysis that says those votes the same population that is undergoing this crisis are lost to the democratic party. can you get those votes? >> oh, absolutely we can. look, i mean, the reason that i'm running for president is
that i think we need in a candidate and we need a movement that speaks precisely not only to the young and owed people but to working class people who are in despair. who are working longer hours for low pages who have nothing saved for retirement. what the republicans have successfully said, oh, the reason you're in trouble is because of gay marriage. the reason that you are in trouble is blacks are trying to take your job. that's been the line for years. our job is to mobilize those people who are hurting so badly to finally finally stand up to the koch brothers and to the big money interests who have been at war against the working class for decades. these guys have seen their jobs go to china. the minimum wage that many of them are working for is much too low. they can't afford to send their kids to college or to get decent child care for their little ones.
we have got to reach out to them, bring them into the political movement and work with them to stand up to the big money interests who have been committing you know, been at war with them for so many decades. >> senator bernie sanders, always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> as i mentioned in that interview with senator sanders he will be part of the democratic forum hosted by rachel maddow in south carolina this friday only on msnbc. you don't want to miss that. still to come, is ben carson actually running for president? we will look at that ahead. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company... one totally focused on what's next for your business. the true partnership where people,technology and ideas push everyone forward. accelerating innovation. accelerating transformation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise.
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anticipates getting a no from the obama administration and is thus trying to hit pause and hope the next administration is more willing to let the pipeline be built. "transcanada is losing and they're trying to preserve their options to be able to build the pipeline some day if they can get a climate denier in the white house." the league of conservation voters told "the new york times." the white house says the president obama fully intends to make a decision on the pipeline before he leaves office. speaking to reporters today, white house press secretary josh earnest suggested it was pretty late in the game for transcanada to expect the administration to hit the pause button. >> this is a process that has taken an extensive amount of time to complete. i don't have an update for you in terms of where the state department currently is in the process. but given how long it's taken,
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would you rather sell books or be president? >> i would much rather be president. i think, just because not because i have a great desire just to have the position but because i have a great desire to save this country for the next generation. >> it's a fair to question to ask a person who is selling books while running for president. jonathan tate chose to ask this question is carson running for president? it's kinds of hard to tell in certain ways because "the mere fact carson calls himself a presidential candidate does not problem he's actually running for president rather than taking advantage of the opportunity to bid his brand." about three weeks ago, it was reported carson was putting his campaign on hold to promote his book "a more perfect union." his deputy communications director characterized it is true he has been appear in
interviews about his new book but even during the interviews he's talking about his campaign and his vision for america. his entire campaign seems to be essentially oriented around spending money to raise money. "wall street journal" reported last month, republican ben carson's campaign send more than two-thirds of what it raised in the third quarter with the bulk of its money spend on fund-raising and digital marketing. erick erickson notes carson's actual expenditure list reads like a wealthy republican getting played by consultants. since he's been out promoting his book, he surged into the lead of the republican race. he's doing something right. joining me political correspondent for news week. she's got a cover called "america heal thy self. >> reporter: the world through ben carson's surgical glass." what do you think of this quell? he's moving a lot of product it's fair to say. he's got a vet big following. and they are spending a lot of money to raise money. what do you make of this of what this phenomenon is? >> well, i this i there's a lot of candidates out there who are both campaigning and sort of schilling, selling books,
selling themselves. it's a little bit hard these days to distinguish between political campaign and sort of a business operation. >> marketing opportunity, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. so i mean, there's been studies that looked at how presidential candidates past cycles have done afterwards. sarah palin's a prime example of saw their star launched and made a ton of money out of the presidential campaign. i'm sure that he would love to be president but if he doesn't become president, there's some financial upside for him, as well. >> one of the things i liked about your profile is you did something i've been wanting reporters to do. i've been looking for which is go back and talk to colleagues of his at johns hopkins. i keep thinking was he like this in the surgery room? >> right. >> was he pronouncing about you know, that the way that prison can make you gay or whatever statements. and there is a certain kind of bewilderment that comes through
in the interviews with some of his ex-colleagues about the version of carson they're seeing now. >> what's always interested me about carson is that he was very much this revered figure for a long time before he entered the political fray. he wasn't controversial even though i think all along, there were some very clear tenants of his belief system that are getting more publicity now and getting people to scratch their heads a little bit. in terms of his people skills, you know, everyone i spoke to i was surprised, it was pretty consistent, were saying he's amazing with people across all walks of life. he does not have sort of a biassed bone in his body. he just has this wonderful human touch and ability to bring people together. and while i don't think we're seeing that in some of these national interviews when he's saying controversial things, it has been eb for him on the campaign trail one-on-one because he's really doing well with the grassroots.
>> well, are and part of the paradox here is here's someone who announced i'm going to take -- originally announced i'm going to suspend my campaign and go sell books which is not a thing you traditionally do when you're trying to run for president, bright? here's someone who says i'd like to be president. i sort of got talked into doing it after a lot of people -- in some ways what seems his manifest disinterest in being president of the united states seems to be the thing people are really in the republican primary field really like. >> yeah. he's not a politician. he's not desperate for a political promotion or desperate for the power. that's sort of the interpretation i think that people are taking away from him and his message. you know, he also is sort of the anti-thesis of the back slapping really charming charismatic politician. i wouldn't underestimate his ability to charm people in that soft spoken understated way. it's just different from what we're used to traditionally on the campaign trail. people want different right now. >> having written this profile,
is this a real thing? are we going to see this individual in this campaign actually build a campaign organization, stay in this? 90 days till iowa and be in had race? >> i'm not entirely convinced. i think we have to see how he's able to translate that popularity on social media and on the campaign trail into some sort of organization because a lot of these races an he we saw with obama and clinton in 2008 and 2012, it is about turnout. it's about organization now. and he's not going away. i think people have underestimated him up to this point in terms of his appeal, but getting people out to vote is a very different ball game than just getting likes on facebook. >> emily cadei, thanks a lot. >> thank you. >> why a recall effort for a local school board election in colorado got the attention of conservative interests' deep pockets, that's next. the cold truth is,
today, one of the most expensive local school district races in america is taking place in jefferson county, colorado where three right wing school board members elected in 2013 face a recall election following an uproar over a change in how teachers get pay raises and talk of reviewing the history curriculum to more forcefully promote patriotism. that proposed curriculum change caused students to stage a walkout last year and teachers a sickout. the two sides for and against the recall were expected to spend more than $1 million on this battle. this is a school board election. much of the money against the recall 0 keep the folks in power coming from groups like americans for prosperity, the conservative group founded by the koch brothers. there's another big vote today in a race that could be a crystal ball for the 2016 elections. we've got a return.
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but every time that the opponents to health care can attach the president's name to it and call it obamacare, i believe in our governor's race here in kentucky they have run against the president as if his name was on the ballot instead of against the democratic nominee jack conway. >> that was audrey tayse haines, secretary of the cabinet for health and family services. when i spoke with her just before the kentucky election was called for republican matt bevin. ryan grimm joining us from the "huffington post" and msnbc contributor. joining me from frankfort, kentucky is nbc news senior political reporter perry bacon. my understanding is you're headed to matt bevin's headquarters. at some level, this is a red state. but still in some sense it's a
surprising result. what's the reaction on the ground there. >> the democrats here are very surprised. there were some -- the people i talked to last night did think bevin is a controversial figure. he went to that cock fighting rally last year in the senate race. the democrats thought they could beat him. he was a flawed candidate. it looks like conway lost by more than five points here. a lot of people stunned here. there was a thought conway would pull it out. >> conway is an attorney general. he's been able to get elected statewide. he has lost a bunch of races. part of this looks like, i'm curious what, terrain was this campaign fought on? >> it was not fought on like we talked about health care a lot. but one thing bevin did and i talked to him about it, during the primary he said he would get rid of the medicaid expansion. now he supports what indiana has done which is they had the medicaid funding but added some fees.
they made it sort of a private option. bevin took that issue off the table. and what he ran on was a lot of traditional conservative issues. he would make it a right to work state. he would expand vouchers. all his commercials were jack conway supports barack obama. so he ran on that a lot. one thing that was surprising here nationally, he did a lot of work with, he went koun to talk to kim davis, the county clerk. he went down there a lot to campaign on planned parenthood, on religious liberty and emphasized those issues where most kentuckians stand with him more than the democrat. >> perry bacon, anxious for that dispatch from kentucky. ryan grim, you know, there's the old saying all politics is local. what has been increasingly happening in american politics is the reverse, all politics are national. every issue gets nationalized and it increasingly becomes more and more difficult for the party that is you know, climbing uphill whether it's the republicans in new york or the
democrats in kentucky to overcome that. >> that's right. these elections are kind of like internet comment sections. you know, they're just big national fights no matter where they are. presidential candidates are encountering that when they go to iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, people want to talk to them about the national issues that they're reading about on breitbart or on the drudge report or ha they're seeing on fox news or this network or anywhere else. gone are the days where you kind much go to iowa and talk about ethanol or you run a governor's race in kentucky and talk about how you're delivering health care to the people there. instead, it's about you know, how close are you to this evil president who has a year left in his term and if you can tie this democrat to the broader national democratic party, then you can do what you did in kentucky today into and let's be clear. i was seeing on twitter, i was
tweaked by a staffer for a republican senator for saying gop in disarray. the republican party at the statewide level at the local level, tate legislatures has been remarkably effective during the obama era of nationalizing election after election in what are red states to carry through. and it worked here. >> right. heavy been running against obama, you know, pretty effectively since 2010. what they're going to do now that they're in power in a place like kentucky will be interesting. kansas could be one example. sam brownback, he took the tea party playbook, won as governor, implemented that playbook and destroyed kansas's economy even while they had all of this energy money coming through in the midst of an energy boom.
he slashed taxes. he destroyed education funding. and the economy has kind of spiraled down while states nearby have done just fine. it's kind of a perfect experiment where you could actually test this policy. he's still governor. so you know, apparently average stanking the state doesn't cost you your job. his approval rating is among the single digits. whether matt bevin can wipe out health care for a couple hundred thousand remains to be seen. it's not certain he would pay the political costs we would expect would come from that. >> he appeared to take it off the table. no one has yet gone back on that expansion despite the fact arkansas elected a republican governor. they kept that in place. that is the big question, 400,000 people whose health care is at stake. they are front of mind on this even. ryan grim, thank you so much. that is all in for this
even. tomorrow night, tune in for my exclusive live interview with quentin tarantino of the national boycott he's facing after his comments on police brutality. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. we are expecting more election night results from a bunch of really different really interesting races across the country tonight including kentucky which chris has been talking about. the "associated press" has called the governor's race for republican matt bevin in kentucky over democratic state attorney general jack conway. we have more on that kentucky race ahead including what the kentucky results tonight might mean for rand paul's presidential race and specifically for all the people in kentucky who have been telling hip to quit that presidential race and instead start focusing full time on trying to hold on to his u.s. senate seat next year. we've got that story ahead and also president obama tonight on the record about something that he previously had not been on the record about.