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are the other republicans afraid to debate? well some of them should be. my jeb impression, nah, i don't want to do that. i don't like to show a person sleeping at a podium. ben carson does not have that energy. i think marco is highly overrated. he certainly lives above his means, there's no question about that. look at his credit card. i mean, he is a disaster.
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i've had tens of thousands of people over the years working for me, i'm a job machine. do i think it's time to have some of the other republican candidates drop out? yes. you need a very strong person with tremendous energy. thank you very much, folks. >> good morning. that is the way we wake up, everybody, it's wednesday, november 4th, welcome no "morning joe." >> that's not your normal press conference, is it? >> every sound byte is like the one you would choose. >> exactly. sit through an entire press conference to get one byte. he didn't mean to, but it just slipped out. >> it's not a press conference, it's a comedy routine. one-liners for an hour. >> the best part, that was his book signing event. like all book signing events, you have a massive press conference. >> sometimes you see john hellman is here, and political writer, nicholas.
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>> and early on, after the first debate, donald trump did not do well by regular standards. they were going after him, there was stammering, he didn't finish speeches. he didn't even finish some sentences, and yet the next day, everything that you saw were the one-liners. >> well, you can say that. enough about rosie and everybody laughs. and so if he didn't sit there through the debate, you were like wow, he's really good. but a new poll out of florida, man. says it all. donald trump is crushing everybody in florida, crushing all the florida politicians. >> it's the florida decides poll. trump has 37% of the vote. >> okay. yeah, show this really quickly yesterday. >> why not? >> yesterday we had a poll out of florida. >> 37% of the vote winning with nearly every demographic, including republican hispanics, ben carson at 17, rubio at 16,
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bush is way back at 7%. >> just we'll get into other stuff, but, look at these numbers. if you're marco rubio, you're the sitting senator, you're 21 points behind. people go, hey jeb bush, he hasn't been there for a long time. marco is the sitting senator, and he is down 21 percentage points, in the state that he represents people today. well, kind of represents people today. >> it's not less than ideal. for marco rubio's point of view. >> and he's done the best in this thing, right? this is the voters who know him the best, and jeb bush, the bush number is rough right? >> bush is brutal. >> what is behind that? >> probably the same thing that trump's in the lead everywhere else. it's not a regional thing. >> same thing in south carolina with lindsey graham. he wanted that state as u.s. senator for a long time, he's
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not well in the presidential polls there. none of this goes to diminish trump's obvious long-standing strength in a lot of polls far long time. it's the case that, you know, there's a reason why we care about the iowa, new hampshire polls more than other state polls. because they spend a lot of time in iowa and new hampshire and the voters get to see them. the states that come after iowa, new hampshire, because of disproportionate media attention, those polls change a lot. newt gingrich is leading in south carolina until he got to south carolina. now, that's a little odd because he had the one eye on new hampshire, south carolina polls never had gingrich, he beat romney by 30 points. things will change in these states, but for marco, it's a problem he's not doing better in florida. >> for marco, if you're the sitting senator and as nick said, this is where they know you the best and you're losing by 21 points, that's devastating also. the problem in states like this, we focus on iowa, new hampshire,
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so much, but once we get out of iowa and new hampshire, there are a lot of winner take all states like this state. and suddenly you're donald trump, you're up by 21 points, you win it by one point. marco, jeb, they've been thinking all ape long, i'm going to take all those votes, no. it's going to be hard for him, even 90 days out. 21 points down, they know him. the day care is baked. they know him. it's pretty address. >> it's amazing too to listen to the framing of these polls. if there were another candidate, candidate x up by 20 points on the sitting senator and 30 points wit former governor, go oh my gosh, this is a runaway. since it's donald trump, they can't quite go there yet. they're trying to figure out why it all changed. the truth is donald trump, there's a new hampshire poll up today, that is getting closer with ben carson. he's going to have a couple dog fights on his hands before he turns to south carolina where
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he's a big lead and before florida. >> we'll get to that in just a moment. this florida poll comes at marco rubio's personal finances are under new scrutiny. the tampa bay times reporting that rubio hasn't turned over some records related to his state party credit card while speaker of the florida state house. earlier statements show he charged personal expenses like repairs to the family minivan. $10,000 family reunion to the car. rubio defended the charges and said he reimburse the party for them. his campaign says that more records will be released soon, possibly within the month. so john, is this like much to do about nothing because it was small potatoes compared to the other candidates and the numbers they deal with? or an ethical issue in this case? >> i think there's been widespread among a lot of elites that marco rubio's, this issue in particular, and more broadly speaking, rooub's past in the,
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in florida politics. and past that is connected to his finances, is the great vulnerability that he has. there's a lot of campaigns that are looking at carefully. a lot of campaigns who got a little scared away when the new york times took a shot and there were flaws with that story that kind of made it -- >> what is the real story here? >> the real story is actually, nick, the real story is the speaker that followed him got sent to jail for misusing these funds. and there was a culture down there -- >> yeah. >> that this speaker inherited, and there's been an assumption by tallahassee people and other people around there that they need to get to the bottom of this. i mean, this is a big deal. >> state gop in florida is not always, you know, a great ethical example, right? there's always been problems there, but the question is is really now that he's a front-runner in the candidate
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right, do we now get guilt-tough scrutiny, the financial issues from his past that's been circling around florida forever. the credit card issue again, small sums, right? now on the other hand, you know, it's weird and sloppy. it's like, i used the wrong credit card over and over and over again. sop at some point i think it'll be an issue. >> bob mcdonald went to jail for small sums. when you're talking about the misuse of campaign finances, the misuse of state party finances, small sums actually become crimes. we're not saying that about marco, i'm saying though, his successor got sent to jail. a guy i knew very well got sent to jail, mr. clean, but he misused the credit card from the state republican party and misused it on family things. and got sent to jail for it. >> when the new york times piece came out that john was just talking about, the reaction so
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was strong in rubio's favor, i think it helped him in the party. remember the thing about -- >> yeah. >> he repaired his driveway, book deal, so he got a boat. i wonder how this is different. if you like marco rubio, inspired by optimism, youth, all that, are you going to care that he spent $10 on a movie ticket. >> you have to show that he misused money from one account to another. >> so the question, john or nick, you guys were reporting, did he do that? did he misuse money? >> we don't know yet. >> the wrong credit card for personal payments. >> i'm sorry, what? >> he's admitted using the credit card for personal expenditure and reimbursing them after the fact. the question is are there more payments coming out, perhaps bigger ones? >> that's what this newspaper article is saying, the tampaway times. >> some of the information's hot, but again, as the story indicates, some information not yet public. i think there was going to be a
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lot of digging we rival campaigns that have been doing it for a while and journalistic institutions down in florida who know the story a lot wert than we do. it is interesting that donald trump, who whatever you think about him has had an instinct for when his rivals, had he sees a threat for figuring out what the vulnerability of that rifle is and honing in on it. we saw them doing it with jeb bush noticeably, this is where he's gone, immediately -- >> it's beyond that. >> he's inexperienced, he sweats too much, and let's not talk about his credit card and finances. that's where trump, that's where trump is going for, and it's right out of the gate. he sees right now rubio and not ben carson, rubio, now that he believes jeb bush is essentially dead, rubio says that's the next guy who's a problem for me. i will make it a fact that everybody is turning their attention to marco rubio means. marco rubio has become a threat. >> yes. >> i mean, you look -- let's go to the new hampshire polls. >> all right.
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so donald trump, by the way, headed to new hampshire today where he's expected to personally deliver his filing papers for the new hampshire primary. this is a new post debate poll in that state out just this morning. it shows his lead slipping to two points with ben carson, 18% to 16%. marco rubio jumped nine points since september to 11%. john kasich in third place, and chris christie moving up to six points to fifth place at 8%. rubio's and christie's rise are fueled by the debate performances. 27% thought rubio did best while 13% thought christie did. >> jeb bush obviously by far, the performance last week, and rand paul just not even, not even registering really. hey, let's go back to the poll, iowa mee ka, and there are two people to look at here, one, of course is marco rubio, he's
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back -- one is marco rubio, of course, who got a big jump out of all of his debate performances, and of course that is why everybody's focussing on him now. chris christie, up 6 percentage points. another good debate by chris christie puts him in the middle of the fight, and chris christie is back. and suddenly becomes the guy that the republican establishment has been looking for as a counter to donald trump. >> yeah, trump is finally prepared to take his methods in a more traditional fashion by the way, take a look. >> look, anybody that hits me, we're going to hit them ten times harder. as an example, bush, rubio have come out, we're just going to dollar for dollar. we have more money by a factor of about 1,000. we're going to start some ads over the next two days and certainly in iowa, we're going to start ads and in new hampshire. i think in south carolina too. so we're going to start advertising a little bit. because so far, i was going to
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have spent 25 million by this time, i've spent nothing, i feel guilty because i've spent nothing because we haven't needed it. >> people love that message. first look at these ads tomorrow morning. donald trump will joins tomorrow to discuss the ads and the campaign. and john was just telling us, really, about chris christie having something really -- >> yeah, yeah, so christie, it looks like christie and rubio are moving. the establishment has been wanting to find somebody to move christie and rubio, at least into new hampshire polls moving. we have another new hampshire poll that shows donald trump up as well. but, the establishment looks like it might be co.lessing around a couple of candidates. >> it will remind people that can be sugar highs, carly fiorina went way up and came back down. chris christie, this is what he said all along. never lost his optimism. despite the fact that he's one, two, three percent.
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i'm going to go up to town halls, go to new hampshire, iowa, and i'm going to be chris christie. and he believes over the long haul, some people will fall away, he may not be the one who's getting the most attention on any given day, but he feels like he does well and keeps getting his message up, he will creep up and be there in the end. >> so everybody said that marco and ted cruz won the debates. where's ted cruz's job? where's ted cruz's bats? i haven't seen that as much in the polls as i've seen marco's bounce. >> that's a good question, he has always had this ability to speak to his audience in his debates. he's also doing his thing. he's in it for the long haul, he has menty of money, ted cruz. he's always talking to the tea party people, and the rand paul ak lites who he wants to sweep over. it's like a long-term thing for him. he isn't looking for the big bumps, i don't think. >> i don't think we seen a
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post-debate iowa poll. we've seen so much polling. >> it went out yesterday that it had trump ahead of carson. >> i think trump did well. >> you're going to see cruz moving, not -- you're more likely in iowa than new hampshire. >> the one other thing for people at home where mark and i have been talking about this for some time that marco may not be builtle to last. marco may not be builtle to last because on the ground in iowa, on the ground in new hampshire, he just doesn't have a lot of on the ground operations. ted cruz on the other hand, built to last because regardless of what the numbers look like now, because, i mean, ted cruz, he's organized auld over the place. >> i'll say about rubio, i think, and mark, we've been talking about this for a long time. what's the state that marco rubio can win? i think the one you're seeing now, there's the answer so that ke, if there's a place for rubio, it's not iowa where
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organization matters so much, probably not south carolina, but new hampshire is getting the distrangs. it is not an organization state. there's, i think, if you were looking at the first four, first early states, that's going to be the target of opportunity for rubio and you're starting to see that in the polls. if you were going to win one of the first four, obviously everybody thinks you kind of need to do. that may be the place where you catch on. you hear that from new hampshire, interest in rubio among elites in new hampshire for the last six or nine months. waiting to see whether he'll show any traction and might now start to get that. >> interesting. ben carson is still technically off the campaign trail today doing a book tour. and kind of looks like a campaign trail. look at that. long lines of people waiting to see him at book signings in florida. and in a new -- look at that, in a new nbc news/wall street journal poll. he's the only republican that ties in a head to head match-up with hillary clinton. both locked at 37%.
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donald trump trails clinton by eight points, slightly from a ten-point deficit in september. marco rubio and jeb bush also trailing in the match-up with clinton. rubio is just inside the margin of error. meanwhile, trump made his case for why he will defeat carson. >> i think that ben just doesn't have the experience. look, you know, i'm going to make the greatest deals you've ever seen on trade. we're going to run the military properly. i'm going to take care of the vets. ben cannot deal on trade -- >> why not? >> it's not his thing, george. you know, it's not his thing. he hasn't got the temperament for it, it's not the right thing for him. >> yeah, he's got a lot of experience, more than i do, and he'd be a great president. i'm not going to say that. experience comes from a variety of different things. it doesn't only have to be in one state or the other. so i've had a lot of experience,
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for instance, doing things that have never been done before. particularly in the medical field. >> i tell you what, we've said for some time, we don't exactly get ben carson, but ben carson is ahead of everybody else. people that have spent their whole life in politics, raising money, shaking hands, voting, campaigning can, really he is on a book tour, where some people sat up, show the massive crowds again, guys, if you can can. some people waited outside for four, five, six hours to get inside. and if you look at the pictures from the outside, this is a happening. this guy has magic. he really does. i mean, these people love him. he sells in a lot of events 4,000 books a night. and he's not even on the campaign trail, and he's way ahead. it is a happening. it is an event, and ben carson
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is a hero for these people. >> it's not as flashy as donald trump, but he's every bit the phenomenon that donald trump is. four months ago, never would have imagined could be in this position, where imagine you're hillary clinton, a lifetime in politics, 100% name id, and ben carson, according to to the poll you just showed is tied with her in a hypothetical match-up. >> i would counter with that. i envisioned trump being in this position. i would see why people find him aspirational toward donald trump, he has the celebrity at least for one thing. this is a phenomenon, and also, a learning experience for us. >> it is. you know, if you look at donald trump and people say, why is donald trump doing so well? i say one word, strength. >> success. >> it's all about strength with donald trump. ben carson, if you want one word, it's character. those people are out there because this is a man they believe in. the system's rotten to the core in washington, d.c.
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they've been lied to. they've been cheated. the system's rigged. the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, and it is strength and character. >> yeah. i think also the other word, the keyword was carson's humility. and that there's, at least the puretive humility. that's the kind of guy whether he is humble or not, i don't know. soft spoken guy of great establishment who doesn't like boast. he's the opposite of trump. he's done incredible things in his field, and yet, he's not a boastful guy. he presents himself as a humble, soft-spoken person. and something about that appealing to the republican elector rat. >> he's the american dream. he was born in povr any detroit, raised by a single parent. and went on to become the preeminent pediatric neurosurgeon on the planet. that is a great american story. it's unbelievable. >> gosh. still ahead on "morning joe"
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senator joeman chin joins us. big splash taking on the clinton foundation. now his newest project looks into jeb bush's finances. author peter joins us. and later, uber turns five. former campaign manager, or president obama and current uber chief advisor, david will join the conversation. first, bill -- >> by the way, david will be happy to note, charles coke, a big fan of uber. >> uses it for the disrupter example. >> he does use it as a disrupter example. and he was -- it was a fascinating interview. and you know it was so funny, sam stein said okay, wait, let me get this straight, this ring wing guy is for gay marriage, he's pro choice. >> voted for democrats. what else it was? i mean, you take off the last, criminal justice reform, he's teaming up with the aclu. >> and the white house. >> and the white house.
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>> right. and he's a guy who proved deep lay it there is a danger moving in government for crime, war, spending, everything. >> and war as well too. i mean, he was really harshly critical of george w. bush for the wars. and for the big spending. >> see, i thought the natural place is like having heard all of that. he was just un-american. >> ma ha. >> i don't think that's the transformation sam had. >> it was pretty crazy. a lot of people yet really were looking at it going -- >> what you've been saying all along. you were saying like five years ago, these people are not the cartoon characters that you make them out to be. >> yeah, and i think they're doing themselves a favor over the last few weeks. being on tv and showing -- >> they're mumt dimensional. >> there are people who aren't going to like them. that's their right not to like them, but they're not the boogie man. >> and there are issues we question them on that a lot of
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people have questions about. there are so many other aspects to their character that taken they have been demonized. we worked for two years to get that interview because they are so quite frankly, burned by the media, and so misunderstood that they didn't want to do it. >> somebody who actually, the more you get to know him -- zblu oh. >> the more you don't like him. you find out he is a bad, bad human being. >> talk about multi-dimensional. >> good american. >> he is un-american. >> this guy is un-american. >> yeah. harry reid should have said on the house floor, bill karens is un-american. >> we would not have gone all the way to wichita. >> except for the fact bill karens that yesterday in connecticut, i swear, november 1st, may have been the most beautiful day of the year. unbelievable. it's almost like we're getting paid back for the lousy, lousy
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winters we've had the past couple years when we had snow in october. >> oh yeah, last year at this time, it already snowed in south carolina, foot of snow in maine and buffalo, already had snow. it'll be 70 to # 0 degrees. i mean next week. look at the cool-up this weekend, we may take this warmth all the way to thanksgiving. let me show you where it did snow. this is where we needed. we heard about the drought situation in california for years on end now, this is in mammoth lake, opening up early. this was good, good coating of snow out there, also heavy snow in the northern rockies too. that's where it's going to stay for a little while now. let me take you into the forecast. it's stale nation divided. eastern half of the country is going to be warm, temperatures anywhere two 10 to 20 above normal. today, near 80 degrees. all the way north up towards dallas. even omaha, 74, chicago, 73 degrees. shorts and t-shirts in chicago, first week of november is pretty
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rare. tallahassee, florida, warmest ever, near 90 all week long. and finally the highly populated urban corridor, d.c. is 80 on friday and burlg ton, vermont, in the 70s. the leaves are almost gone in northern new england and waiting for your snow. and no signs of that whatsoever. leave the gloves, hat, and winter coat at home. joe, this is, you know, we're right, being rewarded for the miserable winter. >> so let me ask you, last year, the warmest winter on record, warmest year on record. >> yes. >> we just, because of the jet stream in the northeast, we were just the one place that was a lot colder than usual. when can you start telling where the jet stream is going out? could this be a good sign of things to come that maybe it's the west coast that gets hammered this year with cold weather and we may have a warmer weather? >> this is a strong el nino, warm water, the jet stream dimmed in the west and it's warmer in the east. that's what i expect most of the
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winter. if you're looking for snow in the northeast and the great lakes, you may have to wait until like february this year. >> do you know what, that's okay. that is okay. >> thank you so much. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." resolve to turn heads this holiday season.
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this morning, officials are expected to announce investigators believe the shooting of the illinois police officer that sparked a massive man hunt in september was in fact a suicide. this according to our chicago nbc affiliates cites a law enforcement source. moments before the death, the lieutenant radios dispatch he was in pursuit of two white males and a black male on foot. insighting a man hunt that disrupted train service in the area. vigils and funeral service were held for the veteran lieutenant. an officer for more than 30 years, and a father of four. >> you know, it's a tragedy.
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you said all along, this didn't quite make sense. >> well, they could never find the alleged suspects, and we heard reports, even in the days afterward that it may have looked like a self-inflibted gshd wound. it's a terrible, sad story for a man with four kids. >> it is. and it gets to a story that we didn't get to yesterday, nick. did you see the "new york times" story yesterday about how public health officials are shocked at the rise of deaths of white, age 45 to 54. do did you see this article? >> kind of linked to the availability of prescription drugs. >> and prescription drugs and also suicides, drug abuse, ill health. mortality rates for every other demographic is going down, except for whites, ages 45 to 54. which of course, all public health officials are saying are bizarre, but big rise in suicides as well. >> yeah, that's, i mean, it's
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really fascinating that we heard so much about health problems in other demographics and to see this one demographic, which is supposed to be the one doing well is doing worse and worse and worse. it's fascinating to imagine that we're now seeing this other epidemic with drugs. we've talked about it, prescription drugs, painkillers. and it's taking its toll on people. >> and ooich told you about this, and this is something if you're sending your kid off to college you have to worry about it. my son when he went off to college had five friends, or acquaintances that he knew die of prescription drug overdoses from good families, kids that didn't get in trouble. didn't do drugs. and this prescription drug epidemic is something that really is horrifying. as i explain to my son, when i went back into college and people abused alcohol, their car ended up in a ditch most likely. now, they're abusing alcohol, they're taking prescription medication and they're just not
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waking up. this is a massive problem. not only on college campuses across america, but it's a new york times reported yesterday, you know, going doo into middle age. >> it is another reason why you have got to find this chris christie video, this is what it's all about. >> that's what he talks about? >> we're going to have chris christie with john hiland finds a remarkable moment on the campaign trail yesterday, that's going to be coming up. also coming up, republicans beat the democrats, and who do democrats blame for this? donald trump. we'll look at the results from the kentucky governor's election. that plus the weekly standards bill crystal joins us for the must-read opinion pages. you're watching "morning joe."
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welcome back. hey with us, we have the editor of the weekly standard, bill crystal, big night for republicans last night. we'll get to that in a second. actually the democrats actually blaming trump, very funny. but you said the most remarkable thing to come out of campaigning yesterday came from chris christie. >> well, i don't know actually when this video was taken. it may not have been yesterday, it may have been within a couple days. the huffington post did kind of a raw piece of video of christie in new hampshire at a bar talking with a group of people, and a little meeting, about drug addiction. and they posted it, and it went on facebook and went completely viral. its been seen by millions of people now over the course of
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the last 24 hours. it was a phenomenon yesterday which makes me think that the date of the event had been a couple days ago. but it's got, there are two pieces to it, one of christie talking about his mother, and another of christie talking about a good friend of his. it's about five minutes in total. >> let's look. >> we'll show one a couple minutes of it right now. >> my mother was a smoker. she smoked her whole life. he was addicted to nicotine. she started when she was 16 years old. which was 1948. but by the time 1964 game, the surgeon general's report came out, she knew that smoking was bad for you. and i tell you, i watched as a kid, she tried everything she could to quit. she had the gum, the patches, hypnosis, she tried everything. she couldn't quit. now, when she turned 71, little after that, she was diagnosed
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with lung cancer. no one came to me and said, don't treat her because she got what she deserved. we know the lung cancer is caused by the smoking, we know it was, but no one said hey, listen, your mother was dumb, started smoking when she was 16, she kept doing it. so we're not going to give her chemotherapy or radiation, none of that stuff. she's getting what she deserves. no one said that. no one said that about someone who had cancer. yet somehow, if it's heroin or cocaine or alcohol, we say, well, nl they decided they're getting what they deserved. i'm pro life. and i think that if you're pro life, that means you've got to be pro life for the whole life. not just for the nine months you're in the womb. all right. it's easy, it's easy to be pro life. for the nine month yourself in the womb, they haven't done
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anything to disappoint us yet. all right, they're perfect in there. but when they get out, that's when it gets tough. the 16-year-old teenage girl on the floor of the county lock-up addicted to heroin, i'm pro life for her too. her life is just as much a precious gift from god. as the one in the womb. and we need to start thinking that way as a party and as a people, and the president needs to say those things. >> that is what we have been talking about. and i can tell you this as a republican, what we've been looking for in candidates all year. there's a remarkable moment. >> he goes on and does another story, which again, i mean, i'm not, i have no word for chris christie, i'm just telling you, as a piece of video, he does another story after this about a friend of his who becomes a prescription drug addict and
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days and loses his life. more compelling is the -- >> we have it. >> it's all part of the same video. >> do we have it? >> it's another three minutes. show it later, whatever. >> we'll do it at the top of the hour. >> just the rawness of it and the performance skills there, reminds you of the reason why two years ago, before bridgegate, way back then, this guy will be the republican nominee because thaw just demonstrates a degree of authenticity -- >> humanity. >> and be better -- >> nobody else seems to have in the party. and a maturity and also, willie, as we been saying around this table, when he was 1%, 2%, chris christie's better now as a politician than he's ever been. we've been stunned that he hasn't been moving in polls. he's moving now, and my god, now this is going viral. >> so many of these candidates are wound so tight when they come in, you can see they're prepared, they want to know the
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questions beforehand. chris christie wherever he is in the polls, 10% or 1%, he's always the same. he's relaxed. and when he talked about this, they have a huge heroin problem in the state of the new jersey. lots of overdoses. >> and the state of new hampshire. >> and new hampshire as well. this is an important subject to him. and he also ties it, interesting way to criminal justice reform. you heard a little piece of it right there, but it also was lining up with progressives actually when he says where why are we locking up heroin addicts? doesn't benefit the state, doesn't benefit the addict, they need to be getting care. that's what he was saying there. >> bill crystal, politicians and public figures, i know that you and i have always respected have had a sense of who they are. had a core. we commented earlier and after chris christie got elected, he was at 32%. and we asked him, are you ners? he said about what, you're at 32%. he goes, why would by nervous? i'm going to do the same damn thing no matter what. and you've seen this guy at 1,
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2, 3%, people it seems like in new hampshire they're starting to notice and he's jumping up in the polls. >> you're talking about ben carson earlier, i think he's been consistently underrated since january of last year, this year taking ben carson seriously and no one did, and now he's probably the front runner in iowa, and maybe the front runner -- >> carson, have you watched christie in that, reminds me of carson a little bit too. real person talking about his own personal experiences. not making a rite of way to a cheap partisan political point. it's not policy of what christie said, criminal justice reform, but make a serious case that unless you arrest these people, they don't get treatment. isn't it time to let up on the arrest side, but that's a policy debate. with christie and carson, i think both of them, carson, you mentioned earlier, the degree of carson's depth of his support and his use of social media is something people will be studying it i think for the next few months.
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carson has 800,000 donors. $10 million last month. >> hold on, people need to hear this. say that again. this is, we haven't mentioned this yet. >> this is the most incredible -- >> this is a stunning number. >> four million people follow him on facebook. 800,000 donors, almost all of them small donors. and that is money when you raise money for big donors, you get a big check and that's. . then you raise $25, $50, $100 from a small donor, they're in your e-mail file, go back next month and say hey, i need to work it out. he will raise $10 million a month. >> he's the bernie sanders of the republican party. it's not a fluke. i mean, they are very focussed as a campaign on facebook. and they they have a very aggressive way, it's very obama-like in a way. when you interact with that campaign, they are focussed on
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getting fresh material, fresh content on his facebook page and turning those facebook users into donors and followers. it's a very sophisticated thing. >> trump is running an unconventional mass media campaign. interviews, does things it, carson is racing a social media campaign. christie may not come back running a sort of new hampshire, town hall dr. >> more like town hall campaign. >> it's so interesting. >> following up on what bill said right there. one of the best pieces of advice i got was early on when i couldn't raise big money in my first campaign, guys said to me, give the $25 donor, you know what, that thousand dollar donor, he may go somewhere else. that $25 donor, when they gave me that check, they've invested in you, call people. >> it's personal. >> and that's what ben carson has right now. nobody else has it. >> seeing that christie video we're going to show you coming up, jeb bush turning up the heat
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on the campaign trail, and now, thinking that it just looks pretty planned. we'll have that. >> well, you take a look. still ahead, the author says jeb bush was successful in real estate, but the real money came after he left the governor's office. was it just good business sense or did he cash in from people he did favors for while in office? stay with us. i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me. with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it's supposed to do
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i don't want to talk about it anymore. but for us who? who's going to lead the world? who's going to take care of the persecuted? who's going to take care of the oppressed? who's going to deal with islamic terrorism. >> good energy tonight. >> i actually have pretty good energy every night. >> no, no, no, no. >> why? >> got to be honest. >> i'm going to be honest. >> i just everyone in the stable crew, come on. >> jeb's in a position where he can't do anything without people mocking him. i was bringing this up. i remember you'll member 1988, july, august, biggest joke in american politics was george h.w. bush. ridiculed down 20% to michael, everybody said he was standing. i swear, you're laughing now, they were making fun of bush 41 more than then than jeb now. and he became president. >> despite or maybe not despite
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the reputation as being that, tough fighters and having tough fighters as you guys know, put up a campaign, talked about it in 1988, talked to michael new mexico 1989. john mccain, south carolina in 2000. so, i think deep down, jeb bush and his strategist think they can do the other front runners when they did successfully to john mccain and michael dukkha kus. i don't buy it this year, and i think it's -- and i hope personally as someone who admires jeb bush that he doesn't go down that way. i think it'll be a losing effort of destruction. >> i think anyone who underestimates jeb bush, anybody that underestimates jeb right now and counts him out doesn't know politics. i think there's a way forward for him, i think there's a way forward for marco, i think there's a way forward for chris christie, i think there's a way forward for ted cruz. i think there's a way for for the two guidance top right now, carly, we'll see what happens with carly as well. but -- >> it's just a complete disconnect between that sound
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byte and this conversation, but that's okay. joining us now, we've got the founder and director of government accountability institute. peter, peter wrote the explosive book, "clinton cash." now a 38-page ebook "bush bucks." how corporations helped make jeb rich. he raised the question about earning millions after leaving the governor's mansion in florida. a lot of politicians earn in a lot of money after losing office. >> peter, this is, this is the breaking news, isn't it? >> it's not breaking news, but i think it's important for people to recognize that you have a lot of people that leave public life and they go and work on wall street or other places and i'm working in private equity. so i'm a banker just like everyone else. and the fact of the matter is, people cash in after they leave public service and they make lot of money because of their relationships, connections, and
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i would argue in cases, favors that they did for certain companies while they were in office. >> but isn't this a bit different from people that do favors for people while they are in office, like, say the clintons. >> yeah. i mean, look, you know, immediately people are going to compare bush bucks to clinton cash. i would argue there's not a comparison. certainly in the case of the pushes, i think there's a legitimate questions about jeb and how jeb has made his money, but look, in this case, we're talking clearly about jeb bush being governor for eight years, then leaving, and basically a handful of companies giving him, paying him a lot of money. and those companies did well during his tenure. in the case of the clintons, we're talking about something really unprecedented. we're talking about a lot more money, and we're talking about the clinton family taking money simultaneously while hillary clinton is secretary of state, and by the way, from foreign interests. that's the other difference, i think between what the clintons
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have done and what the bushes have done. >> peter, it's willie, we heard just a week ago at the debate, donald trump hang lerks eman brothers over john kasich. obviously jeb bush worked there as well. is that sort of a buzz word for people that may make that connection to a a failed enterprise. does that stick with them? >> i think it can be. i think look, either in the case of bush or kasich, you can't certainly blame the lehman collapse on them, i think it is a legitimate question, it's interesting when you look at bush and kasich at lehman, one of the things that stands out is john kasich, who was the chairman of the budget committee, very powerful in washington, d.c., you have jeb bush as governor, jeb bush actually gets paid three times what john kasich does by lehman brothers. and the question becomes, why? i think we kind of indicate why that is. but there's no question when you attach or look at institutions like wall street or banks or health care companies, there are
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do you see a candidate out there? >> greg manchin. >> i'm trying to be diplomatic. >> that is a very tactful way -- >> thank you very much. i worked hard on that answer. >> how do you feel the night of the election results came in after harry reid and the democrats have run against you and your brother all year and it ended up that you guys won most of the races that you got involved in?
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>> el with, e looked like we one. as you can see the performance, we didn't winch of anything. >> i know. >> wow. >> welcome back to "morning joe." that was an incredible day. >> it was. you know, we asked him if there was a candidate that he was impressed with, and he very tactfully said, not in great measures, means -- >> hell no. >> leave it there. >> it was very clear there wasn't a single candidate, he complains so much about how shallow the debate was. i will tell you it's very interesting, this powerful billionaire, this powerful businessman, he sounded a lot like republicans that i talked to all across the country. that may be looking for work. and that is where is my party gone? and in this case, this is really serious because they were talking about spending a lot of
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money in 2016, i'm not so sure they're going to do it with the same vigor as in '14 because he's especially angry that they keep -- like the xm bank. he considers it out and out corporate welfare. he is -- they're just stunned that people come to them and say that they're going to vote against corporate welfare, and then they go to washington, and they vote for corporate welfare. and i think this is a really challenge for the republican party. if they're expecting the coke brothers to ride to the rescue, we'll see. >> well, fascinating because one of the questions we pressed him was on the influence of money and politics and their influence and buying influence, are they actually buying influence? exactly what they criticize crony capitalism in some ways, and they took those questions and sometimes brought the conversation into a completely different and very thoughtful direction, which was, yes, we invested last time around.
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we invested around ideas. around certain issues. and it did not return for them. they did not get. now the question is what are they going to look at if they are going to be spending and raising money, are they just going to invest in ideas or going to invest in people with ideas that actually have the guts and the gumption and the trust to stick to them? having said that, it still doesn't answer, the cycle of money and politics, which could be destructive. >> we have no idea, i will tell you as he said, other people are asking for specific tax cuts, tax breaks for their corporations. we want to get rid of foreign so you said dis, we want to get rid of the xm bank, we want to get rid of corporate welfare, we're asking for them to not do those sort of things. and certainly charles didn't say to this offcamera, but, but in the time that we spent with him, my gut is, if he had his preference, he'd rather invest in promoting ideas than
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individual candidates because right now, those individual candidates have let him down. >> yeah. well, they have. in a big way. still with us, john hellman, new york times nick, the weekly standard's bill crystal and joining the conversation, steve kornacki, great to have you. >> steve, we were watching you last night, i was watching you last night, and you were talking about this. it was fascinating conversation. if you're the republicans and you think they're going to ride to the rescue like they did in '14, didn't sound like it yesterday morning. >> you know, what i was reminded of watching the interview was two things, i think there's the popular perception out there is that the coke brothers are just joined at the hip with the republican party. to be a republican is to be in line with the coke brothers -- >> that is not. >> you go back and realize david for instance basically ran against ronald reagan, he was the libertarian candidate for vice president back in 1980.
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and listening to charles, i thought the most interesting part of your interview was listening to charles coke talk about george w. bush and the bush years. and what i heard in what he was saying was a element i hear from many people, republican party lost its way. and, you know, he gave the benefit of the doubt to the so-called republican establishment, believed they would act on his issues. emerged from the bush years saying government didn't get smaller. corporate welfare didn't change at all. and in fact george w. bush was so unpopular, he'd given conservatives such a bad name that it allowed for the rise of barack obama and the expansion of government we've seen over the last few years. and there's this lack of trust that i'm hearing in him and i'm hearing from so many conservatives, and just the idea, go along, elect republicans, they'll follow with your agenda. he's not buying that. >> he's not, and like sam stein said yesterday too, he's hearing
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a lot of things in his early primaries. they don care about that. they are -- they don't think the government should stop gay marriage, they're pro choice, they were anti-bush on the big spending. they are anti-war, anybody that says they want to send troops to syria, you've just scared the hell out of the cokes because they think everybody but rand paul is a neocon. doesn't mean they're going to support rand paul. but yeah, it is again, i think it's a challenge for republican candidates they want their support, especially in '16. they're not just blindly giving to republicans in '16 unless they think they're going to go against corporate welfare and not be if he yo cons. >> in a midterms, democrats did such a good job of pounding home the message that the koch brothers equal republicans, and they're dictating republican
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policy. we know now that's not true. and it didn't work by the way. i think voters didn't go into the booth and saying with wait, those evil koch brothers and that's probably the reason you'll hear republicans using tom and george the way with democrats use koch because voters don't make that link. >> especially now what we heard the most, criminal justice reform. they're working with aclu. we were going to interview charles koch, and we get an e-mail from valerie jarrett that says "say hi." >> well, it wasn't like that. >> we disagree on a lot of things, we're doing great work. >> mark and the koch's have been a real help in pushing through criminal justice reform. so it's very interesting. and again, i think the great challenge is to -- this is not a commercial, i am saying, this is a warning to republican candidates, if you think you're going to be able to back up your truck in 2016 to these people's
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bank to get money, think again. i don't know what's going to happen. >> yeah. >> but i do think it's going to be more of a challenge. we'll see, we'll see. okay. well there's one guy that doesn't need any of that. and that's donald trump who's in new hampshire today where he's expected to personally deliver his filing papers for the new hampshire primary. this as a new post debate poll in that state out just this morning shows his lead slipping to two points with ben carson, 18% to 16%. marco rubio has jumped nine points since september to 11%, governor john kasich is in fourth place, and chris christie moves up six points to fifth place at 8%. and we actually have a second part of that really compelling video that helman brought to our attention while campaigning in new hampshire recently, new jersey governor chris christie talked about addiction treatment. making an emotional plea for change. we have been talking about this all morning. sop here's the second part of
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his compelling talk. >> give you a second example. i'm a recovering lawyer. thank you. so i went to law school. and for any of you who went to law school, anybody here is a lawyer too, you can admit it privately if you want later, but the people that you're closest to from law school were in your first year study group. first year when you're nervous as heck, you don't know. you don't know what is up and what's down, are you going to make it or not make it. you have this small group of people that everybody puts together. there were eight of us in my group and we studied together. and you get to see everybody at their absolute worst. these are your best friends in law school. one of the guys that was in my study group, give you his profile. we went to law school at sethen hall university in new jersey. he came from an ivy league
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school. smartest of all of us. he became an editor of the wall review. he was the first one of us who got a job out of school. got out of a big, prominent law firm in the state. more money than the rest of us. he married an incredibly beautiful woman who's a doctor. they have three gorgeous daughters. one cuter and happier and more talented than the next. he was the first one among us to become a partner at his law firm. he bought a great house, great car, and worse yet, he was really good-looking. and in perfect shape. the guy used to run 10, 12 miles a week, every week. we loved him, but we hated him. the guy had everything. right. he was running one day in his normal routine, he hurt his back running. he was in his early 40s. and was not giving into age. and he was running his normal time and he hurt his back.
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and so he went to the doctor because he was having trouble working. really hurt. and so he said listen, we're going to give you treatment or whatever, but in the meantime, help get you through, we're going to give you percocet to help numb the pain. well, about a year later, i get a call from his wife. and she said, he's addicted to his painkillers. and he won't listen and i kicked him out of the house. and he's living at his parent's house, and you guys need to go have an intervention with him. those friends from law school, you need to go and get him to go to rehab. so we all went over there, had an intervention with him, and it started a ten-year odyssey of him being in and out of rehab. during that period of time, she divorced him. he lost his right to see his girls. he lost his license to practice law. he lost his driver's license. he lost his home. he bought himself a condo when
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she kicked him out, he lost that. he lost all the money, spent all the money that he had saved and spent through most of his retirement when a year and a half ago on a sunday morning, we got the call we'd be dreading forever, they found him dead in a motel room with an empty bottle of perk sect and empty quarter of vodka. 52 years old. by every measure we define success in this country, this guy had it. great-looking guy. well-educated. great career. plenty of money. beautiful, loving wife. beautiful children. great house. he had everything. he's a drug addict. and he couldn't get help, and he's dead. and when i sat there as the governor of new jersey at his funeral, and looked across the pew at his three daughters, sobbing, because their dad is
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gone. there for but the grace of god go i, it can happen to anyone. and so we need to start treating people in this country, not jailing them. we need to give them the tools they need to recover because every life is precious. every life is an individual gift from god. and we have to stop judging and start giving them the tools they need to get better. >> you have covered chris christie for some time. mika and i have been commenting, and we went through quite a fight be chris for a while after we reported on bridgegate. came back and we commented over the past couple weeks, he's the best we've ever seen him. there's a guy that -- i'll be honest with you, that's -- i mean, that's the equivalent, for me, at least, that's the equivalent of a grand slam. i mean, do you recognize that guy? >> yeah, that's the guy for ten years in new jersey, he was the united states attorney, he was
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very active, he would go to college groups a lot, he would show up, he would talk off the cuff. he would take questions from the audience, the setting you would see at a new hampshire town hall meeting. he loved doing that. a lot of people thought he was looking to run for governor, office at some point. he had been a politician before he became u.s. attorney. and the reason there was so much buzz around chris christie, it wasn't just that he had this great record as a prosecutor, but dozens of politicians away in his time as he was attorney, the people would go to these events and they would say, i have never seen, in this state, a politician as naturally talented, as naturally gifted as chris christie in these off the cuff settings. he can tell funny stories, he can tell moving stories, he can take any question, turn it around, and he owns the room. and i remember talking to a professor at rutgers, the state university of new jersey, and he went in one day, this was at the height of the iraq war and rutgers students were by and large very anti-iraq war, very
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anti-george w. bush, anti-republican. chris christie comes in, and he gives a talk, and they're all skeptical, they're all hostile when he walks in the room. when that speech, it wasn't a speech, when that exchange was over, they flooded him at the front of the room. they loved him. they fell for him completely. i remember in new jersey thinking, in 2009 when he's running in the conventional wisdom, it's a democratic state, corzine will have obama come in. i think chris christie is going to win this election. and i believe right through 2012 election, i said the chris christie you saw right there is the chris christie this country will see. all these liabilities that were out there at the time. this was before the bridge stuff, oh, he hugged barack obama, oh he said stuff about immigration, i said, he will overcome those liabilities with moments like that. that's what i believe. now the bridgegate thing complicated everything, but he's starting to move up a little bit in new hampshire. new hampshire's the kind of state where you can go and do exactly what you're seeing
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there, the town hall thing, when you get chris christie behind a podium delivering prepared remarks doesn't come across. when you get him on a debate stage and 90 second, doesn't usually come across, but in that setting whereby i haven't seen anybody better than chris christie. >> i have to say really this year from what we just saw, haven't seen anybody close to what we just saw there. >> pure performance. >> yeah, that's as good as it gets. and non-policy based off the anecdotes we heard this morning. he's walking the walk, he's provided police officers in the state of new jersey with the drug that you can give to someone who's overdosing on heroin, they have it on the scene, saving lives. they've got cvs selling it over the k-9 uniter. this is an important tosh him. he was interviewing a guy two weeks ago named brian stephenson who runs something called the equal justice initiative. and it's about criminal justice reform. very progressive group, a lot of people in the room, probably democrats, and one of the names that came up with chris
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christie, he's saying the things we're saying about not jailing addicts, not jailing people who are struggling with addiction, but helping them. >> so i've been up to new hampshire a good bit, you obviously more than me, but i'm always struck every time i go up to new hampshire, and i heard kelly ayotte give a speech in new hampshire. and spent most of her speech talking about heroin and talking about drug addiction. and i thought it was 1971. i mean -- >> and hillary clinton -- >> the problem. >> hillary clinton has done it in new hampshire and gotten great responses in this campaign -- >> my point in new hampshire is it's a massive issue. >> there's politicians who are going to new hampshire in this cycle on both sides recognize that this is a salient issue, whether it's chris christie or hillary clinton, they're all keyed into this. and it's a very, it's an issue that has a lot of salients in the state right now because there is a huge problem and people are talking about it a lot. . the question for christie is,
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the focus groups we've dmoen new hampshire in the course of the last nine months, there's a huge amount of resistance to him. the question is, with the strength of the performance and the fact that he's actually rolled out a fair amount of very specific pretty substantive policy, the question is can he somehow get a second look? and moments like that -- >> looks like he is. >> moments like that -- i think it's more of the reception, that this thing has gone viral and that the establishment vote is so fractured and there's no republican blirnlt who has come forward, so far, who's been able to consolidate the establishment vote. it gives him opportunity if he can have crystallizing moments where voters will look at him and know. that's the question. >> he might. yesterday a poll out of florida that showed donald trump with a massive lead over marco rubio and jeb bush and their home state. another poll shows an ian bigger lead. the florida decides poll has trump ahead with 37% of the vote.
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winning with nearly every demographic, including republican hispanics. ben carson is at 17%. and rubio at 16%. bush is way back at 7%. >> bill crystal, what's your take? >> terrible for bush. there's a new national poll out today, i don't think you reported on it here yesterday, trump and carson virtually tied in 24-23. rubio in the post debate national poll. rubio did get a bump, 14 and 13, they're clearly in the second tier, my colleague just e-mailed me, if you look into the poll, christie is favorable, unfavorable is pretty strong. he is well-positioned to get the second look. if bush goes out, there's no governor left, there's an obvious opening for someone who says i'm a governor, don't you like governors with experience? and moderate conservative republicans, christie filled an edge that bush didn't. >> and could take on hillary clinton. don't people consider that or no? >> they do, your poll earlier,
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you didn't dwell on it long enough, the national poll, all the republicans, except for ben carson actually are losing to hillary clinton. now that's just a national match-up poll, obviously things will change. but if you're a republican, i am, you get a little alarmed when you see marco rubio, for example, who is, i think correctly considered kind of the best all-around likely republican nominee to win. and he's losing by what was it, four or five points. ben carson is even with hillary clinton, how that would stand up, one doesn't know, but i think it opens up people to say, yuck, maybe this current front runners aren't quite what we want. it gives others a chance to run. >> bill crystal brings up an important point. chris christie's were the worst in the entire field. worse than donald trumps. about two or three weeks ago, we noticed actually that he'd flipped it. that christie was now more favorable than unfavorable now
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they're looking even more strongly. i think another good debate performance, chris christie may be in much better shape. i'm still kind of blown away -- >> by the video. >> put that up again really quickly. i know we have to get a break, but new quinnipiac poll. yeah, that's it. that's the general election match-up, carson beats clinton by ten points. rubio beats clinton by five points, but here is, donald trump 24%, ben carson 23%. marco at 14, cruz at 13, they did get a bump. and jeb bush at 4%. >> that's all post debate now. first one where we fully captured the moments after the debate. >> marco and ted cruz did get the bump that most of us would say they deserved after the debate. debates matter. >> and yet again, ben carson giving a performance of that debate that most elites were
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mystified by. as every single one of these debates, every elite watches ben carson and says i don't get that performance. i don't really understand, yet he got a bump there too. another six points for ben carson. >> yeah. >> nick, we've got a lot to talk about here. why don't we just stick with chris christie right now, that seems to be sort of the flavor of the moment right now. and, you know, ben carson is going out and trying to get all these facebook followers, and that's fantastic -- >> he's getting them. >> he's getting them. doing extraordinary. you're chris christie, you just talk and something goes viral, i would think that also a candidate's strength. >> yeah look, it's hard to be in eighth, ninth, or tenth place and have the kind of kvs that chris christie has on the trail. things have been great. you see bobby jindal or jeb bush, you see them try to eke it out, and you can see them sweat, and it's ugly.
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with chris christie, he seems really in his element. he's happy where he is. probably wants to be higher. but he is very confident on these trail performances. >> all right. bill crystal and nick, thank you to both of you. still ahead on "morning joe" we'll talk about the uber economy with difd bluff, but first we go live -- >> what? >> okay. but first we go live to cairo where investigators are turning their attention to who had access no that russian jet in the hours before it went down. you're watching "morning joe" we'll be right back. dinner tim, into bonding time. that's why she roasts tender white meat chicken to perfection and mixes freshly-made pasta in an alfredo sauce made-from-scratch with parmesan, romano and real cream. ♪ because marie callender knows that the most comforting thing about comfort food, is who you're sharing it with. marie callender's. it's time to savor.
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this morning authorities are still trying to determine what brought down a russian passenger jet in egypt's sinai peninsula. investigators are looking into who had access before takeoff. according to american intelligence sources, none of the passengers or crew on the planes manifesto were on any u.s. terrorism data base. we are nor cairo and has the latest on the investigation. bill, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, willie. it's day five, and still we don't know who did this, but one by one, they are eliminating
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possibilities that expanded the desert search area. but they are now closing in. the range of possibilities is narrowing. they're getting closer. investigators now are focussing on a few small sections of the plane. no traces of a bomb, no evidence of explosives found so far. according to reports on russian media. but the heat flash detected from the plane by a u.s. satellite proves there was an explosion that split the plane in midair. the evidence not pointing towards some catastrophic event that made a fuel tank explode. or a bomb. >> whether it's mechanical or intentional, that's yet to be determined. >> reporter: all the bodies recovered are now in russia being identified. the state news agency says those in the back of the plane suffered injuries consistent with an explosion. the tail was found three miles from the rest of the plane.
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they're not examining a repair job on the tail that was damaged hitting the ground 14 years ago. they're also searching the airport where the plane took off, questioning those who serviced it, caterers, cleaners, baggage handlers. the terror group isis is active in egypt and claims it downed the plane. the truth will likely emerge from the two flight recorders, investigators analyzing these now, but making nothing public. and indeed making it clear that they won't make anything public for a long time. within the last hour, isis has repeated its claim saying we downed the plane. we don't have to tell you how we do it, you look at your black boxes. nbc news can't identify rather that claim. if it was a bomb, there will be evidence, explosive residue, fragments of a circuit board, a timer device just like in the case ofman am 103 in december 1988 that exploded over
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lockerbie scotland. so far no such evidence has been found. so this morning, spare a thought for the families of all those on board who still don't know how on earth this happened. back to you guys. >> aknown that. egyptian president dismissing that isis claim as propaganda this morning. bill neily, thank you so much. still ahead on "morning joe" last year i was the political no vice who tried to take out the senate's most powerful republican and lost. matt be even is waking up as governor. >> wow. >> look at how he did it, next. ♪ ♪ ♪ the beautiful sound of customers making the most of
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yesterday was election day across america, and in one high profile race, there were still signs of life for the tea party. republican matt bevin stunned democrat john conway to become governor elect in kentucky. and it was a long road for him to get there. in 2014, he got trounsed by mitch mckobl in an ugly senate primary. in this year's race, the republican governor's association pulled out their money only to rush back in at the last minute. but bevin proved the polls wrong, and last night promised to unite the state surrounded by his wife and nine children. four of whom he adopted from ethiopia. >> i know that many of you are
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weary of turning on your tv and seeing my evil twin. and so, i just want you to know i have asked him to move out of kentucky. i have asked that guy -- i don't know who he is exactly, but, he's been up to no good, apparently, and he's been giving me a bad name. >> the state's gold standard poll had conway up five points with just days to go. i feel like this is what we're going to be seeing like down the road here. national democrat's explanation, quote, unfortunately jack conway ran into the unexpected head winds of trump mania. >> what? >> losing to an outsider candidate in the year of the outsider. >> wait. wait. i thought trump was a clown. >> i thought he was not to be taken seriously. >> i thought he was going to have no impact at the end. he just won the kentucky race. >> joining us for more on how matt bevin became governor elect
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national political correspondent, james helman. >> a big shock, look at the polls -- >> trump mania. >> a real joke by the republican establishment, they didn't like him. they kept coming in at the end, and he wins big. how did it it happen? >> it was just out there for five days last week, and i spent a lot of time traveling around the state with matt bevin. it's interesting because he really tried to turn out his base. he spent a lot of time some of the reddest parts of kentucky. he told me that he wanted to run on economic issues, but those weren't getting any residence, what was it talking about gay marriage actually. he campaigned with kim davis, visited her in jail. this is the clerk that wouldn't issue the marriage licenses, and he was going to the very evangelical communities and capitalize on anti-same-sex marriage backlash. heavy emphasis on trying to
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defund planned parenthood. so these issues were really resinating with the low turnout election, the hard core social conservativ conservatives, that was a big way to get republicans behind him. >> hey james, it's willie, rushed back in for the rnc in the last two weeks talked about obama conway. how president was president obama in the last couple of weeks in kentucky? >> you know matt bevin is not very disciplined. it was funny, his consultants clearly told him he's supposed to bring up obama whenever possible. i was in two debates, it was an afterthought he forgot to bring up obama the way you saw in the national republican ads, obviously obama's toxic in kentucky. but one of the things in studying the county by county returns, bevin who's this millionaire investor is from louisville, which is kind of the democratic center, urban stronghold in the state, and he cut in to tra dilgts democratic areas. even though he's sort of this
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tea party guy, he was able to sort of not let the democrats run up the score, and i don't think those people were necessarily voting on obama. >> you know, steve kornacki, i'm having to go back, i'm going to do a google search quickly on kentucky results. i thought this was a state that was purple. didn't bill clinton win it? >> this is the interesting warning interesting implications as you look ahead to 2016, hillary clinton leading the democratic ticket there. some democrats optimistic democrats who look back at the tur of that bill clinton was able to win also the states where hillary clinton had her biggest margins over barack obama in the primaries. it's kentucky, west virginia, you know, tennessee, even al gore's home state. the idea being that maybe getting barack obama off the ticket, moving him off the stable, bringing a clinton back on to the ticket that maybe she'd be able to move some of
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the states back into play. state that have long standing traditions, but to me when i look at this result in kentucky last night and what jumps out at me is the degree to which kentucky, ian if i'm not mistaken, democrats had a registration advantage. find more registered democrats than republicans, forget that functionally, this has become a red state. >> james. >> and yeah, so i actually, it's super interesting, a year ago bill clinton and hillary clinton went to kentucky to campaign for allison grimes against mitch mcconnell. last week it asked are the democratic candidate why is hillary clinton not here? and one, he wouldn't say he was endorsing hillary clinton when he was asked repeatedly, two, he didn't want the clinton's anywhere near kentucky during the offyear election. hillary clinton is not going to put that state on the map next to year, and it was pretty striking to watch this guy try to distance himself, not just from barack obama, but from hillary and bill clinton too. >> so i just looked at the
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results of going back all the way to 1992. the democrats won it in '92 and '96 with bill clinton. blue state. u it is now red. republicans have been trounsing everybody there on the presidential level. so red, yeah, still, matt bevin, a guy that republicans would rather just not have be governor. >> wow. >> except he's the only second republican governor in that state i think in the last 44 years. >> really? >> incredible. >> at least in the gubernatorial level. >> more to come. james, thank you. very much, good to have you on. up next, the ceo of uber once said we are running a political campaign and the candidate is uber. that probably explain why is they brought in david bluff. we'll bring him in next as the company turns five. straight ahead on "morning joe."
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this is getting interesting. he's back. joining us now, the campaign manager for the 2008 obama campaign. now the chief advisor and board member for uber, david bluff. >> saying his name wrong? >> everybody always says -- >> new hampshire social security pluff. >> everybody says that. >> how's it going david? >> we want to sound great. >> i'm not involved in his campaign. >> i know. >> you look so healthy and happy. >> let's ask you questions quickly about the politics first, we're fascinated. this is the first time we've found ourselves going god what in the world is happening there? republican side, look at ben carson, look at all the facebook followers, and from everything i've heard, he's following the obama model and it's working really successfully, just digging down deep in facebook. it's crazy. what's happening with ben carson? what do you sense, what do you see on tv? >> i don't follow it as close as i used to, which may be healthy. >> you probably have better perspective.
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>> carson is getting dismissed, but here's someone who's leading in all the polls, building a huge following, a lot of social media skill, apparently a lot of grass roots have materialized. i think sort of in the quarter, there's a dismissive approach to carson and trump, but they're both sitting there, combining over 50 in most national polls. they're the strongest leaders in most early states and running completely unconventional campaigns. that's one of my questions, something changing out there. because it seems like the old rules don't apply, but he's very strong. i don't think the support is going to drop from 30 to 10 overnight. i think he's going to be a force. >> would you say the same about donald trump? panicking, saying, when donald trump falls, they've been saying that for over 100 days, and he's up by 20 points over -- maybe over marco, but 15 over marco, 20, 25 over jeb bush in their own state of florida. does that drop? or do you think trump and carson have, from what you've seen?
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>> i think they have staying power. i think trump is taking a little bit of a hit. he's showing up without preparing, he's not doing any advertising. i think that'll change. they're leading, trump has a significant lead in a bunch of states and this comes down to winning states and delegates. my assumption always been, maybe thinking too conventionally, they'll emerge. i don't know, we're getting deep into this, it's still very early, but we're almost to thanksgiving and you have two people with significant leads. >> one thing you'd be honest is that as a democrat, you understand your party better than the republican party. >> absolutely. >> a lot better. you came out the other day, we were in iowa for the thing, you came out with an endorsement of hillary clinton. just as -- time travel back to 2008 and we look to your public statements and private statements what about you thought about secretary clinton, in terms of her character.
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that's something a variance with where you are now. so what has changed over time that makes you they hillary clinton, the hillary clinton that you were very dismissive of and critical is the right person? >> you know, that was a ferocious race. and i thought at that time, no question in my mind and the democratic voters decided that barack obama was the best choice for the moment. look at where we are right now. you know, she is far and above the rest of the democratic field and i would argue the republican field. in terms of the next eight years who would do the best job for president, not the obama legacy, i think it's her. >> in 2008 was character-based, right? a lot of -- >> i mean, one quote that of course i retweeted, is where you said hillary clinton basically run the lowest gutter politics ever. >> look at the poll. >> look at the honest and trust worthy numbers, 36% yes, 60% no. you cut straight to her character, especially when she
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started the rumor that maybe barack obama wasn't, i don't know, he wasn't christian or -- >> he says he is, whatever. >> but their people were sending out some really scandalous things about president obama. >> well, to be precise, i think your claim was her campaign, not her personally, they were amplifying an existing rumor. >> yeah, i think listen, i think their campaign will some low moments, no question. i think they were struggling with how to deal with our ascension, i do think, and those numbers are concerning, i think they'd probably admit it to. they have to work on those. she went through a tough period around the e-mails, months and mornts, hopefully they can turn the corner on that. she has to bring the campaign back to raising the stakes. the difference between her, carson, trump, cruz, rubio, huge, foreign policy, domestic policy, raising those stakes will help turnout. ultimately the obama coalition, look at the electoral college and say how on earth can a republican ever win?
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the democrats went through it from '68 to '92, only won once, and that was because of watergate. the republicans are in a tough period now. two things, one, there's a lot of people out there a lot of people after eight years of a democrat, swing voters open to an alternative. not ted cruise or trump, but someone more acceptable. it's the obama coalition. you need enthusiasm to do that. that's where carson has an edge. it means something. it usually materializes in vote. >> speaking of enthusiasm, the koches are enthusiastic to use uber as an example of business growth and disruption that is good for the economy. it is going well for uber on a number of levels. >> i would love to see them in the back of a toyota prius.
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i agree with them, but it is going well. the economic impact is something we will talk about more aggressively. you have 48,000 people driving on the platform. in chicago over 35,000. most people using it to supplement income. what are the biggest economic issues. that's on the driver's side. >> i came in in uber. the biggest problem is when i call for it, they get there too fast. i ask the guy, how long have you been driving? he uses it to supplement income and i thought this takes care of the under employment problem. >> this is a hugely disruptive company and changes the way we get around town and people
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travel to get to jobs or whatever it is. you disrupted the taxi industry in a huge way. you represent a crisis to the old taxi companies. how are you finding the dealings and you won a measure of battle here in new york city and they kind of flipped to your side and how are you dealing with the taxi companies now? >> most of the u.s., there has been regulatory progress to enable ride sharing. what we are doing is not fitting into the old laws. >> the damn democrats and the regulations. it is maddening. >> president obama, i was in the white house when he ordered a top to bottom view of regulations. i believe in regulations on health and safety and environment. you should say those don't make sense, but the debate i think is bigger than the taxi market. the taxi market is small and
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stagnant and we don't do street hails, but in manhattan it's easy to get a taxi. the old market is blowing up. people want a different way. we are up to 9% of the people say they have gone from two cars to one or dropped their only car. >> that's amazing. we have showed video of this uber driver getting beat up. there is a wall in a cab that provides a level of protection. is there a security issue that you guys are looking at because you talked about regulations in health and safety and if they are driving day and night, they are wide open to people who maybe don't want the car. >> that was unfortunate, but people are driving toyota priuses and fort explorers, they are not going to put up plexi
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do i think it's time to have the other republican candidates dropout? yes! you need a very strong person with tremendous energy. thank you very much, folks. >> that is the way to wake up. wednesday, november 4th. welcome to "morning joe." >> that's not the way to the press conference. >> every sound byte is the one you choose. >> you sit through the press conference and it's one byte. he didn't mean to, but it slipped out. >> it's not a press conference, it's a comedy routine. >> that was his book signing event. they show a massive press conference. >> and political runner for the "new york times." >> this is what i figured out early on after the first debate. donald trump did not do well by
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regular standards. they were going after him and stamering and he didn't finish speeches and not even sentences and the next day everything that you saw were the one-liners. you say that, enough about rosie. everybody laughs. you are like wow. a new poll out of florida says it all. donald trump is crushing everybody in florida. crushing all the florida politics. >> is trump ahead by 30% of the vote. >> show this really quickly yesterday. >> i know. >> we had a poll out of florida. >> winning with nearly every demographic including republican hispanics. ben carson at 17 and bush is way back at 7%. >> we will get into other stuff,
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but look at the numbers. if you are marco rubio, you are the sitting senator and you are 21 points behind. jeb bush hasn't been there for a long time, but marco is the sitting senator and down 21 percentage points in the state that he represents people today. kind of represents people today. >> it's not less than ideal from marco rubio's point of view. >> this is the voters who know him best. the numbers are rough. this is not regional. he is not doing well in the presidential polls here. the truth is that none of this goes to diminish trump's long
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standing strength in a lot of polls. it's the case that -- there is a reason why we care about the polls more than we care about other state polls. partly because they spent a lot of time and the voters get to see them. in the republican or democratic nominating process, the states that come after that because of the media attention that iowa and new hampshire get, they change a lot. they are in the lead until he got to south carolina. that is odd, but the south carolina polls are ahead by 30 points. things will change in the states. for marco, it's a problem. >> for marco, put the numbers back up. if you are the sitting senator and this is where they know you the best and you are losing by 21 points, the problem with states like this, we focus on iowa and new hampshire so much. once you get out, there a lot of winner take all states like
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this. suddenly you are donald trump and up by 21 points. you win it by one point. marco, jeb, they have been thinking all along they will take all the votes. no. it's going to be hard for them. even 90 days out. they know him. the cake is baked. they know him. >> it's amazing to listen to the framing. if they were another candidate, candidate x up by 20 points on the sitting senator and 30 points by the former governor and saying this was a run away, there was something about people that can't go there yet. maybe it will. the truth is donald trump is in the new hampshire poll and that is getting closer. he will have a couple of dogfights on his hands before he turns to south carolina before he gets to florida. >> we will get to that in a moment. this florida poll comes as marco
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rubio's finances are under scrutiny. the tampa bay times reporting that rubio has not turned over records related to a state party credit card. earlier statements show he charged expenses like repairs to the minivan and reunion to the car. rubio defended it and said he reimbursed the party. more records will be released soon, possibly within the month. is this much a do about nothing because it was small potatoes and the numbers they deal with or is there an ethical issue? >> i think there has been widespread representation that marco rubio's issue in particular and more broadly speaking rubio's past in florida politics connected to his
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finances. it's the great vulnerability he has. there is a lot of campaigns that they have been looking at and they lot of them who got scared away when they took are a shot and there were flaws. the real story is that the speaker that followed him got sent to jail for misusing these funds. there was a culture down there that this speaker inherit and an assumption that they need to get to the bottom of this. >> the state gop in florida is not an ethical example. now that he is a front-runner, do we know he has tough
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scrutiny? it has been circling around in florida forever. the credit card issue is small sums. >> is it? >> it's eerd and sloppy. i use the wrong credit card over and over again. >> when you are talking about the misuse and campaign finances and the misuse of state party finances and small sums become crimes. we are not saying that about marco, but i'm saying a successor got subject to jail, a guy i knew well got sent to jail and misused the credit card and misused it on family things and got sent to jail for it. >> when that "new york times" piece came out, the reaction was so strong in rubio's favor, it helped him in the party.
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i wonder how this is different. if you are inspired by him, are you going to care that he spent $10 on movie tickets. >> he misused money from one could to another. >> did he do that? did he misuse the money? >> you guys are-he admitted using a credit card for personal expenditures and reimbursing it after the fact. there more credit cards we don't know about. >> that's what the newspaper article is saying. the times. >> some of the information is not there. some of the information is not yet public. there will be a lot of digging going on by rival campaigns and
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by institutions down in florida who know the story better than we do. it is interesting that donald trump who whatever you think about him when he sees a threat for figuring out what the vulnerability to the rival is and he is honing in on it. this is where he has gone immediately. this is the first -- he is inexperienced and sweats too much and let's talk about the credit cards and finances. he sees rubio and not ben carson. that's the next guy who is a problem for me. >> the fact that everybody is turning attention to marco rubio means marco rubio is a threat. let's go to the new hampshire polls. >> donald trump headed to new hampshire where he is expected to deliver his filing papers for
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the primary. this is a new post in that state out just this morning. it shows the lead slipping to 16%. marco rubio jumped nine points to 11%. john casic in third place and chris christie moving up to fifth place and 8%. rubio and christie's rise is 27% and 13% thought christie did. >> and rand paul not even registering really. let's go back to the poll. one is marco rubio who got a big
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jump and everybody is focussing on him now. chris christie up 6 percentage points at 8%. another good debate by chris christie. that puts him in the middle of the fight and becomes the guy they have been looking for as a counter to donald trump. >> trump is prepared to take his message to voters. take a look. dollar for dollar we are going after him. we will start the ads over the next few days. we will start ads and i think it's south carolina too.
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>> it looks like christie and rubio is moving. they want to find someone to move christie and rubio in the new hampshire polls that show donald trump as well. >> rubio and christie up big. they can be sugar highs. carly fiorina went way up and came down. chris christie, he never lost optimism.
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well into the debates, he will creep up. >> can i ask one thing, everybody said that marco and ted cruise won the debates. >> he's got plenty of machiney and he is talking to the tea party people and he wants to sweep over. it's a long-term thing and -- >> i don't think we haves en a close debit for trump.
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the one yesterday this trump ahead one and i think cruise is moving. >> for people at home where mark halpern and i have been talking that marco may not be last because on the ground in iowa and new hampshire, he doesn't have a lot of operations. ted cruise was last because ted cruz is organized all over the place. >> with rubio, i think this is for a long time. what's the state he can win. what you are starting to see is the answer to that question. trump had south carolina and
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getting the traction with another organization that is a primary state. if you are looking at the early states, that is the opportunity with the polls. that may be the place where you catch catch on. with rubio among the lead, you can see if he shows traction. >> interesting. pen carson is off the campaign trail today doing a book tour. it looks like the campaign trail. long lines waiting to see him in florida. in an nbc "wall street journal" poll, he's the only one who ties. at 47%, donald trump trails by
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eight points and marco rubio and jeb bush. trump for why he will beat carson. >> ben doesn't have the experience. i will make the greatest deals you have ever seen on trade and run the military properly. ben can't do those things. >> why not? >> it's not his thing. you are born with it. it's not his thing. he hasn't the temperament for it. it's not the right thing for him. >> what would you expect him to say? he has a lot of experience and he has a great president. experience comes from a variety of different things. i had a lot of experience. for instance doing things that have never been done before.
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particularly in the medical field. >> we said for sometime, we don't get ben carson, but ben carson is ahead of everybody else. people that spent their whole life in politics, raising money and shaking hands and voting and campaigning. he is on a book tour and some people waited outside for four, five, six hours to get in. this guy has magic. he really does. these people love him. he sells in a lot of events, 4,000 books a night and he is not each on the campaign trail. it is a happening and ben carson is a hero for these people. >> it's not as flashy as donald
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trump. four months ago, you couldn't imagine he would be in this position. a lifetime in politics and 100% name id. ben carson is tied with her. >> i would counter with that and i did envision trump in this position and see why people find themselves aspirational. he had the celebrity at least. this is a phenomenon. this is a learning experience for us. >> it is. if you look at donald trump, why is he doing so well? i say one word. strength. it's about strength with donald trump. ben carson, it's character. those people are out there because this is a man they believe in. the system is rot on to the roar in washington, d.c. they have been lied to and cheated and the system is
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rigged. the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. it is strength and character. >> i think the other word with carson is humility. that soft spoken. whether he is humble or not, but the sense that he is a soft spoken guy. he is the opposite of trump. he has done incredible things and he is very humble and that is appealing at this moment in america. >> he is also the american dream. raised by a single parent and went on to be the pediatric neurosurgeon. that is a greater story. >> still ahead on "morning joe." speaking truth to power. nebraska's newest senator waited
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. this morning officials are expected to announce that the shooting of the illinois police officer that sparked a massive manhunt in september was in fact a suicide. this according to the nbc affiliate citing a source. moments before the death he radioed that he was in pursuit of two white males and a black male on foot and a manhunt closed schools and train service. vigils and train service shut down. >> what a tragedy.
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this didn't quite make sense. >> they can never find the alleged suspect. even a couple of days afterwards, it may have looked like a gunshot wound. it's a terrible story. >> it's a story we didn't get to yesterday about how public health officials are shocked at the rise of deaths of white age 45 to 54. >> it was linked to the available of prescription drugs. >> prescription drugs and suicides, drug abuse, ill health. that mortality rates for every other demographic except for whites ages 45 to 54. all public health are saying it bizarre. big rise in suicides as well. >> it's really fascinating.
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first speech is not very newsworthy. but freshman senator ben sass waited an entire year before speaking on the senate floor. when he finally did, the republican gave his colleagues a healthy dose of truth. >> the people despise us all. why is this? because we're not doing our job. there are good and bad reasons to be unpopular. a good reason would be to suffer for waging an honorable fight for the long-term that has near term political downsides like telling seniors the truth, that the amount they've paid in for social security and medicare is far, far less than they think and far, far less than they're currently receiving. >> the real reason the political class is unpopular is not because of our relentless truth telling, but because of
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politicians' habit of regular liesed pandering with those who agree with us already. guess what, normal people don't talk like this. they don't like that we do and more important, they don't their government because we do. it's weird. because one-on-one when the cameras are off, hardly anyone around here really thinks that senators from the other party are evil or stupid or bribed. while i'm in favor of more civility, my call is for more substance. this is not a call for less fighting. this is a call for more meaningful fighting. a six-year term is a terrible thing to waste. a two-year term requires hamster wheel frenzy. our jobs do not. i think we can do better and i pledge to work with all of those who want to figure out how. thank you, mr. president. [ applause ] >> what a first speech.
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>> that was worth the year of waiting. that was really amazing. >> that was impressive. >> joining us now from capitol hill, democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia. cnbc's brian sullivan joins the table as well. >> good morning, joe. good morning, mika. >> sounds like you got a soul mate on the other side of the aisle. >> i think i found an ally. i'm looking, i think i found one. >> well, talk to us about that six-year term being a terrible thing at that waste. that's one of your biggest complaints. i got so many friends of mine that were on the hill when i was, said you don't want any part of this mess. senate especially. talk about it. >> the bottom line is, now there's three things you don't waste as a politician. you don't waste a crisis, a mandate or a six-year term in the senate. with that being said, we've got to do something. i've been saying that from day one here. it's frustrating. you know that. to find people willing to reach out and get away from the hyper ends of the right and the left,
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thein and the yang trying to pull you in different directions. basically, go home and tell the truth. represent the people that basically sent you here and don't worry about playing to the bases of what you think is popular, what you think will get you re-elected. the best politics is good government, joe. you know that. you do the right thing, it will eventually come out. if you get defeated by doing the right thing, that's a pretty noble cause. that's not bad. >> all right. so let's look at -- should we go to politics, keystone or the charity? >> let's go to keystone first. it's a perfect example of why people hate washington, d.c. politicians being twisted up on something that scientifically is pretty straightforward. this pipeline creates 40,000-plus jobs and the state department said it is more environmental safe than the alternatives. yet, mihillary and the presiden
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don't support it. >> joe, it doesn't make any sense to me. if you're talking about safety, this product is coming to america. it's on its way. it's been coming more and more every day. the increase of rail traffic from that oil coming from the tar sands is up 5,000%. we just had a major explosion in west virginia, train passing through. so it's going to come by rail or by truck. it is much safer, much more environmental safe for it to come by pipeline. why they don't accept this is beyond me. if the environmental community, they're not against the pipeline, joe. they're against production of the oil. that's what they're against. well, guess what? that's canada. they're going to do -- that's a sovereign country. they're going to do what they think is best and we're going to buy that product. i'd rather buy from nigh friends than enemies. the safest way to move is is by pipeline. >> let's talk about the race for the white house. hillary clinton, you endorse her as candidate for president? >> hillary, i do. you got to find people you're
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comfortable with and sit down and talk. you won't agree on every subject. i'm concerned about some of her statements and i know that some of her people around her. the environment, basically, we're all concerned about the environment and we should be. rightfully so. but the bottom line is, we need an energy policy that works for this country. it's all in energy policy. there's more fossil fuel being burned around the world, mika, than ever before. if you want to clean up the climate, make sure you have the technology and develop it with another industry here in america. i'm all for renewables. but basically when 82% of energy comes from coal, natural gas and from oil, don't you think you ought to find better ways to use it. because the rest of the world is going to do it. >> what do you think about the polls this morning, we just showed only 30% of americans think hillary clinton is trustworthy, over 60% don't think she's trustworthy. do you have a problem supporting a candidate that the american people don't trust by a 2-1 margin? >> i can only talk to my
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constituents and people that want to listen. i know hillary. i find her to be very trustworthy. i've been able to work with her and speak about things we agree on and don't agree on. she's been open-minded. what more can you ask? if you're going to say, believe everything you hear in the press and everything that's been written about, i don't think there's more written about one person than hillary clinton. the bottom line is, i have a comfort level because i can talk to her. i have an open door policy with them and i appreciate that. that's all i can do. >> what about the things that we do know as opposed to the things that you say are reported in the press that may not be true. just for example, her evolution on a number of major issues. her change. >> it's the political climate mika, that we're in. it's awful. i hope she doesn't get pushed too far to the left. i found her to be a pragmatic person, somebody that's grounded and easy to work with. if she has to keep tacking to the left, we could have a problem bringing her back to the middle. i'm trying to get that -- i'm
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the solid middle. i'm as solid as you can get. if necessity go too far to the left, it might be more than people can accept. i thought she was practical and easy to talk to. i would consider that to be her trait and i hope she continues that. we'll see. >> john? >> senator, john human highly man here. if a republican is destined in the white house, which of the republican candidates that are out there would you find most congenial to work with at the other end of pennsylvania avenue? >> being a former governor, i'm going to be partial to the governors, correct? with that being said, jeb bush has been a dear friend. i've known jeb, we've traveled together. he is most capable. it's not transmitting, i would agree with all those who observe what's going on right now. but if you're looking for a person most capable, jeb is a most capable person to do the job well. we've had conversations whether on education, environment, when i was governor and he was governor, didn't matter if he
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was republican and i was a democrat. if something was working in my state, jeb would call. i would call if something was working in his state. we shared this openly. that's all you can ask for. these are all good people. i know them all. chris christie, i've known him since he came into the governor's circle. marco, i served with marco. i know them all. they're all good people. jeb is most capable. >> brian sullivan. >> senator, brian sullivan, thank you for joining us. a lot of talk about the keystone. what's the future of coal? is coal dead? >> coal has been challenged because this administration has basically gone openly and it's been open from warfare against it. the bottom line is, over 30% of our energy in this country comes from coal. the question that needs to be asked and the president should answer, gina mccarthy should answer, if coal was not produced for 90 days, not another ton of coal was delivered to a plant in america for 90 days, what would
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the country look like? how many people's lives would be in jeopardy? we need to be open about what we're dealing with and if we need in product, let's use it in the cleanest fashion. that's all we've said. >> all right. let me quickly ask you about your -- i think you have a charity event tonight. >> yeah. >> reconnecting mcdowell. sounds like a worthwhile. >> you and joe were invited through your contacts there. we would love to have you. we'll be on the boat tonight. >> oh, on the boat. >> charity on the boat. steve clemons. >> finally, we get invited on the boat. >> we had a.f.t., randy wine garden. my wife has really led the charge, gail. it's one. most challenged counties in america that's really hit hard times. we're trying to get them up to where the children have a a chance, they have an opportunity to be able to compete in the world economy. we've got to get them up to the basic skills of having teach eshs. teachers have to have places to stay. we're starting from the ground
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up. we need everybody involved. if we can do it in mcdowell county, we can do a competitive education forum anywhere in the country. that's what we're working on tonight. we have 40, 45 people coming. we'd love for you and joe to be there. i know you can't. but we're still going to do the boat. >> try again. we would love to help support that. thank you very much, senator joe manchin. >> we'll send a contribution your way. >> thank you, joe. we appreciate it. >> if anything would ever make you feel that you've accomplished and contributed, helping mcdowell county lift itself up from one of the most challenged areas in the country will be something special. >> we'd love to help and we will. >> joe thank you very much. twitter made a small change but getting a big reaction. we'll explain. that tomorrow morning here on "morning joe," we'll announce the keynote speakers for our final event of the year in orlando, florida. notable women that you know very well. we'll also reveal the three
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welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we've learned today. what did you learn? >> coal has one defender. it might just be one. >> you learned there's going to be a new know your value tour next. >> key notes? >> slightly different title. >> it's going to be so -- oh, god. >> it's going to be interesting. >> i learned that david pluf. >> that's what i learned. >> pay attention to ben carson. >> and that he doesn't get him either. >> don't underestimate ben carson. >> i got to say, we learned that chris christie, man, beyond mid season form. in guy is doing great. it's going to be interesting to see what happens in the polls.
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see what happens in the next debate. mika, get over here. what are you doing over there? >> just thought i would leave you guys. it's way too early for "morning joe." now it's time for msnbc live and you are headed down the hall. see you later. right now on msnbc, the votes are in and it's a big night for the gop. the bluegrass state turned red overnight. kentucky electing just a second republican to the governor's office in 40 years. his name is matt bevin. the same one who challenged senator mitch mcconnell in a republican primary last year. the party held on to the governor's mansion in mississippi and expanded seats in state legislatures. we're also following some notable ballot measures across the country. ohio said no to legalizing marijuana. voters in houston rejected a gay rights ordinance. good morning, i'm jose dias ba

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