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that's all for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i have to call the murdered the murdered and i have to call the murderers the murderers. >> quentin tarantino joins me for his first tv interview since those comments at a rally against police brutality. why he's not backing down as police unions call for a boycott of his film. then, what fueled the republican wins last night? >> this is a great night for the republican party in the state of kentucky. >> and what it may or may not say about the 2016 race. plus, a stunning twist in the death of an illinois cop
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known as g.i. joe. >> there are no winners here. >> why investigators say the officer staged his suicide. >> gliniewicz committed the ultimate betrayal. and jeb bush hits a new low. >> this morning, 4%. did you ever think you'd be -- >> i don't even care. it's not relevant. >> as ben carson dethrones donald trump as front runner. >> we need strength now. we don't need ben carson. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening, from new york. i'm chris hayes with one year before the presidential election and yesterday's off year election now officially in the books, the bewildering paradoxes of american politics and never more evident. on the surface, the republican party appears to be in chaos. front runners in the gop presidential race are a reality tv star and a former neu neurosurgeon. and last night, donald trump
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retweeted a photo collage with the words adios jeb which included a swastika and a photo shopped image of jeb bush in a hat. he's since deleted it. the man supposed to be able to win the general election, he is polling in the single digits. an enthe gop controlled house is being led bay speaker who has to be gentleman rocajoled into the. yet despite all that, the republican party still has a whole lot to feel good about, including what happened yesterday in kentucky which had one of the last bastions in the south. matt bevin won a big victory in the governor's race despite concerns he was too extreme to win a general election. he's threatened to reverse obamacare and threw his support
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behind county clerk kim davis who he visited in jail. >> i'm proud for the fact that this is a great night for the republican party in the state of kentucky. i'm also -- [ applause ] i'm also grateful for the fact that more importantly this is a great night nor conservatives in the state of kentucky. >> also a great night for social conservatives in houston, texas, where the message no men in women's bathrooms was used a successful campaign to get voters to block by a wide margin an anti-discrimination ordinance providing gay and trance trans as well as other people. >> that is campaign of fearmongering and deliberate lies. deliberate lies. this isn't misinformation. this is a calculated campaign of lies designed to demonize a little understood minority. >> and there's a larger story which the cold hard numbers make
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dleer. in addition to controlling both houses of congress, republicans control 70% of state legislatures, more than 60% of governors, 55% of attorneys general and secretaries of state. republicans have unified control of 25 states, that's both houses of the state legislature plus the governorship. while democrats only have unified control of seven states. consider this. under president obama, democrats have lost more than 900 seats in state legislatures across the country. 900. with one year until the presidential election, both major parties have reasons to feel confident and both have reason to be terrified. and who better to join me to discuss that than the party's two prospects are people that understand them. political analyst michael steele, former chair of the rnc, political analyst howard dean, former chair of the dnc. gentlemen, the two of you both excelled i think in your respective chairmanmanships in listening to and building out the grass did the roose, building capacity. governor dean, you were in charge in the run-up 2006, 2008,
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which saw tremendous democratic victories an ena real build-out of the party's capacity in 50 states. michael steele, you were in charge in the run-up to 2010 which sort of began the tea party backlash and taking back of the house so i want to get your sense of where the parties are and i'll start with you, governor dean. given some of the numbers we have seen, 900 state legislative seats, the parties unified, the house seats lost. what is going on in the democratic party at the local level? >> nothing. that's the problem. i mean, we had a 50-state strategy when i came in. we didn't control the house, the senate or the president. by the time i left we controlled all three. you have to sustain that. you can't have a democratic president and say, oh boy, this is just great and now we can do something else. you have to have resources in state parties, you have to have organizations in state parties, even places you don't think we can win. because if you don't do that, we're never going to win those
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states. >> but be explicit here. was the trajectory altered after you left the dnc? >> oh, sure. >> strangled off? >> here's what happens. there's nobody i blame for this. historically, when a democratic president or a republican president for the rnc comes in, the party becomes the election -- re-election vehicle for the president and this is why the senatorial committee and congressional committee exist because the congress and senate people got tired of the dnc taking the resources for the president's campaign and happened again and this is the result. now, let's not hang crate. we had some big wins. democracy for america for very involved in getting the pennsylvania supreme court re-elected so that they can stop gerrymandered. >> the school board race that was much noticed in colorado. >> yep. >> progressives were able to successfully recall some folks. >> seattle, there was some progressive stuff passed there.
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so this is not -- tonight is not a disaster but the four years or the six years is not been get. >> so let's flip it around to you, michael steele, because at the state level, right, here's the map. that shows the gop dominance of state legislatures across the country. much of which has been a product of the obama era. but here's, you know, here's -- here's the question. right? i mean, mitt romney lost latinos by 40 points. the electoral college is such that the next democratic nominee can lose three or four states that barack obama won, and still win the presidency, right? >> yep. >> it's an uphill battle at the national level and if you go back and you read that postmortem by the rnc after 2012, very little of that is implemented. where's the republican party right now? >> well, it's funny. howard and i in our 50-state strategies have had exactly polar opposite effects.
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and results. in the case of democrats, what howard did was laid doubt the predicate to win nationally and they did. he made the democratic party competitive in parts of the country where they weren't before. north carolina, south carolina, virginia. and they won. they won presidential races. when i got into the rnc, i had very much like howard had inherited a mess. we focused on grassroots and building from the bottom up. winning mayorships and governorships across the country. but not being able to seal the deal if you will at the national level. winning the presidency. so now both parties are at this cross roads where they have to figure out how democrats can begin to take some control at the grassroots level and republicans to win those legislative seats back and republicans have to figure out how we win a national presidential campaign again. and so, what that leaves is the
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party's in a state of confusion almost. >> right. >> of how to do that and playing out in both parties right now. >> i completely agree. part of this has to do with turnout, right? >> yeah. >> kentucky last night turnout 30%. right? to be clear, conway the democratic nominee, that's kentucky voter turnout the last few elections, right? 30% in the off year election. nationally, turnout has been -- has been lower in off year elections than presidentials. democrats have done very well in the years, the last presidentials and getting people out but have completely failed. i mean, i had a former democratic organizer who e-mailed me today reeling from this saying no one is showing up to talk to these folks about coming out to vote four months ahead of time. what are the issues? a week ahead of time saying you live in a census track. >> this is the weakness in the state parties. which is happened because of the abandonment of the 50-state
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strategy. we used to -- our deal with the 50-state strategy is creating a nationalist with i.t. money and paying for that stuff and then synchronizing the list across the states and each state we gave five staff members. they got to train them but -- i mean, they got to hire them. >> you paid for them. >> paid for them and trained them and what we trained them to do is what the organizer you talked to did. you cannot win an election in the last week. you have to start -- obama presidential election is the template. a year before. and it's personal connections. >> here's my question to you, michael, on this note. has the republican party laid the groundwork in the states and among the constituencies they need to outperform essentially mitt romney in a year ahead of the election? are there inroads and organizing of latinos or in north carolina, colorado and others? >> well, you know, i have to give reince credit to the exat the present time he's kept in
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large part a lot of the 50-state strategy that we implemented in 2009 and 2010. that was sort of the ground for the autopsy report and their subsequent efforts. the problem here, chris, is message. >> right. >> it's brand. >> right. >> so you can have all the foundation in the world. >> right. >> if your message stipgs, people aren't big, you can't sell that and grow that foundation. >> if you have your candidates saying to deport 11 million people at an example. >> right. that's something howard and i both understood is you have to marry up the process, the effort with the resilient message that people responded to. >> i don't quite agree with that because in kentucky had the turnout been 45%, we would have won that race. the thing that kills me about kentucky is 460,000 people. >> right. >> because they didn't go out and vote for their own health insurance. >> that's the question. that's no one's fault but the party. i mean, you can say it's --
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>> voters' fault. >> party's fault. look. the job to get the people -- >> draw them out. >> right. >> i understand it and nothing to draw them to the polls. you have to have something to say. >> health insurance. >> michael and how ar, i can do this for an hour. thank you both. that was illuminating. >> thank you. as ben carson dethrones trump, jeb bush seems to be an afterthought. why new hampshire could be the campaign saving grace. plus, director quentin tarantino will respond after the comments made at a rally against police brutality. those stories and more ahead. na is it run by robots? no no, you can talk to a person anytime. 'cause i don't trust robots. right...well, if the portfolio you're invested in doesn't perform well for two consecutive quarters, amerivest will reimburse your advisory fees for those quarters. i wasn't born yesterday. well, actually it looks like you were born yesterday. happy belated birthday. thanks. for all the confidence you need
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filmmaker quentin tarantino has a major film coming out in december "the hateful 8" and police unions are calling far boycott of the movie after comments tarantino made at a rally in new york city in late october protesting police brutality. this is what tarantino told the crowd in footage recorded by democracy now. >> i got something to say but actually i would like to give my time to the families that want to talk. i want to give my time. to the families. however, i just do also want to say what am i doing here? i'm doing here because i am a human being with a conscious. and when i see murderer, i can't stand by and i have to call the murdered the murdered and i have to call the murderers the murderers. >> that comment caught the attention of the new york city police union which said in a statement, it's no surprise that someone who makes a living
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glorifying crime and vie slens a cop hater, too. the police officers he calls murderers aren't living in one of hi his depraved fantasiefant. they're protecting communities. new yorkers need to send a mess and to him that he has no business coming the city to peddle his cop fiction. it's time for a boycott of quentin tarantino's film. similar boycotts called for in philadelphia and los angeles and the national association of police organizations represents over 200,000 officers. the controversy has been covered bay wide spectrum of media. and outrage over the comments reached to congress which we'll get to in a moment. tarantino's remarks in october 24th came been days of the shooting death of randolph holder. critics like the head of the l.a. police detective league call it a stunning lack of
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sensitivity. tarantino said, quote, all cops are not murderers. he add i'm not a cop hater. that's not how i feel. joining us now, director quentin tarantino. a pleasure to have you on. thank you very much. i want to read the transcript of the statement that's gotten so much attention. >> sure. >> just ask you to elaborate. what am i doing here? i'm a human being with a conscio conscious. i have to call the murdered the murdered and i have to call the murderers the murderers. what do you mean by that? >> well, we were at a rally that was dealing with unarmed people, mostly black and brown, who have been shot and killed or beaten or strangled by the police. and i was obviously referring to the people in those type of situations. i was referring to eric gardner. i was referring to sam dubois.
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i was referring to antonio lopez guzman. >> referring to specific cases in which a police use of force has taken the life of someone in a way you feel was murder? >> yeah. i believe -- yeah, in those cases in particular we are talking about, i believe that they were murder. now, in the case of walter scott who is the man running in the park and was shot in the back and the case of sam dubois, i believe those were murder and they were deemed murder. and the reason and the only reason they were deemed murder because the incidences were caught on video. however, if they had not been caught on video, the murderers would have gotten away with their murder. in the case of eric gardner and the case of that myrrh rice, i believe they're murders and exonerated. >> there's something about that word, obviously, which has set
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off police unions and many police officers. why do you think? were you surprised by the, frankly, the it have ri ol with which they have responded to those comments? >> yeah. i was surprised. i was under the impression i was an american and that i had 1st amendment rights and there was no problem with me going to an anti-police brutality protest and peeking my mind and just because i was at an anti-police brutality protest doesn't mean i'm anti-police. basically, there was a lot of people at that rally and we were all crying for -- we were crying for a lot of things but there's one thing in particular which was stop shooting unarmed people. we want justice. but stop shooting unarmed people. but they don't want to deal with that. they would rather start arguments with celebrities than examine the concerns put before them by a citizenry that's lost
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trust in them. >> so i was -- when i first saw the news of this, my first thought was, what was quentin tarantino doing at this march in new york city? how did you come to be at that event? >> well, the organization who put it on was -- it's called rise up october. and they got in touch with me because i had made statements in some interviews, you know, along the way, that suggested that i'm on their side when it comes to this issue of, you know, ultimately what i feel is a problem of white supremacy in this country and they realized -- they gathered that i was on their side and they approached me about it and they explained the situation to me and i was happy to show up and the reason i was happy to show up and what we were doing there was -- it was a three-day rally. i took part in two days of it. the main thing that we were trying to do there was stop -- there's a lot of that stisices
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going around about how many unarmed people killed by the police. but we want them to stop being numbers. we want them to stop being statistics and start being people who were once living and breathing and now dead and the idea to go there and say their names and to show their pictures and to send the families over to new york and tell their stories about what happened. and really, for us to bear witness to those stories. and the other day of the rally which was the march was the demand justice and demand that the police stop shooting unarmed people. >> do you think -- i saw a number of people talk about this, a number of kritdices, police officers. reference the shooting death of officer holder which had happened a few days beforehand and tremendously tragic and awful for the city and for police officers as family. do you think that you were being insensitive by saying this as some alleged essentially, you know, with this being within a week of this tragedy?
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>> well, the timing was very unfortunate. and his death, that officer's death, is a tragedy. i acknowledge that 100%. and my heart goes out to him and goes out to his loved ones. however, the point of the rally was to bring these families, we had over 40 families, not 40 people but 40 different families this has happened to come out and tell their stories and say their -- say their loved one's name and that's what's not being talked about. what? because that happened we're going to say, oh no, no. don't tell your story. i know we flew you out here. we'll fly you back and do it another time. it is not convenient. >> you were the subject of a fairly interesting speech on the house of -- the floor of the house of representatives from a texas congressman. i want to play you a little bit of that if you would like to respond. this is congressman ted poe of texas against quentin tarantino.
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>> he referred to peace officers as murderers. his hateful rhetoric called for violence against law enforcement. saying, i have a call -- i have to call a murderer a murderer and i have to call a murder a murder. and that he adding that he is on the side of the ones who confront and are confronted by police. his comments encourage mischief and crimes against peace officers. for the haters to justify lawlessness in receive to perceived lawless acts by the police is idiotic. >> a response to the congressman? >> well, that's not what i said. you've actually -- you know, it's easy enough to find out what i said because i didn't say that much. you actually had my entire speech there on your thing. you know, that's -- that's their way. they're being inflammatory. i'm not a cop hater.
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that's the way they attack he. calling me a cop hater. milwaukee county sheriff david clark who was on fox all the time said i'm putting police in danger standing up for the rights of unarmed citizens who have been killed by the police. but at the same time, they say that about anybody that acknowledges a problem of law enforcement in this country right now considered by law enforcement part of the problem whether that be me, bill deblasio, president barack obama who in the case of patrick lynch and david clark have accused all three of us of this action. >> yeah. is that what you think this is about and why they have seized on this comment and given it as much life as it's been given? >> well, yeah. like i said, it's much easier to feign outrage and start arguments with celebrities than it is to deal with the fact they have -- the citizenry lost trust in them.
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also, but there's also another thing going on. they're not dealing with the issues that we were talking about which you would think they'd want to deal with at least to some degree or another. no. they want to demonize me, they want to slander me, imply that i'm saying things i didn't say. and then, but for what reason? and the reason is because they want me to shut up and they want to make sure that no other people like me prominent citizens will stand up for that side. >> let me ask you this. you have a movie coming out and you're promoting it and been in the works and people have written a lot about it. widely anticipated i think it's fair to say. have you gotten pressure from anyone to just basically shut up and apologize and keep it moving? >> no. not necessarily. i mean, you know, i'm sure that the -- the company that's producing the movie, i'm sure this is a pain in the butt that they wish they didn't have to deal with. at the same time, that same company release add movie "fruitville station" and very
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aware of the problem. and they stand behind me. >> all right. i should make the point here, the statements that we're reading from police unions and don't necessarily always particularly in tone or sentiment encapsulate all police officers' thoughts on matter. there's a sort of tone to police union statements we have come to expect after these that tend to be max mallist. have you had conversations with police officers in the wake of this? >> not as of -- not as of yet. i'm hoping that that is going to start happening sometime, you know, i'm hoping it happens in the next week or so. and i agree with you about these mouthpieces saying what they're saying. they're calling for a boycott. and, you know, maybe that boycott will happen. but mabel it won't. i have a whole lot of police officer who is are big fans of my work and not going to take patrick lynch's word on what i said and read what i said and hear this show and hear what i have to say and i think they'll make up their own mind and see
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what happens. >> all right. thank you very much for your time tonight, sir. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> all right. still to come, as jeb bush's polling hits new lows, he faces a huge battleground that's still open for the taking as the candidates set their sights on new hampshire. stay with us. its official, i work for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines so planes, trains, even hospitals can work better. oh! sorry, i was trying to put it away... got it on the cake. so you're going to work on a train? not on a train...on "trains"! you're not gonna develop stuff anymore? no i am... do you know what ge is? i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me. with once-weekly trulicity.
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deputy in houston had been shot at a gas station filing up the police cruiser. and those two incidents in such short succession amounted to conclusive evidence for some of a war on cops. and then presidential candidate scott walker penned an op-ed blaming the president for, quote, a rise in anti-police rhetoric leading to disturbing trend of police officers being murder and the job. pat buchanan accused president obama of being an objector on the wor of cops and fox news with trotted out others. >> president obama waded into this with the inflammatory rhetoric and breathed life into the anti-cop sentiment that now exists in the united states. >> you can't talk about the criminal justice system unless you talk about the disparities of victimization. one person could bridge that gap most effectively. so far he's talked about half of the equation.
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>> you bet it's open season on law enforcement. law enforcement are under siege. we recognize it. we see it everywhere we go. and you can rest as sured that it started on the false lie, this premise in ferguson, missouri, hands up, don't shoot. black lives matter. all based on a lie. >> about a week after lieutenant gliniewicz's death, the lake county coroner told a reporter right now all unnatural deaths are up for suggestion. that was a big strange and set off a new round of claims. his son said he never had a suicidal thought. investigators largely remain silent citing the ongoing investigation. today after two months they finally announced their conclusions. >> gliniewicz's death was a carefully staged suicide. we have determined this staged suicide was the end result of extensive criminal acts that
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gliniewicz had been committing. >> according to the investigators the man known in the community as g.i. joe embezzling money through the explorers for seven years. now the morning of september 1st, fearing to be discovered, gliniewicz shot himself. two of those investigators join me now, chief george flanco commander of the lake county major crime task force and detective chris cavelli. gentlemen, let me ask you this. over these last two months, can you give us a sense of where in the timeline there started to be very strong suspicions that this did not go down the way it was originally understood to have gone down? >> we started suspecting that -- we started moving away from the theory that this was a homicide relatively short amount of time in the last i'd say two weeks or so. >>. we obtained a substantial amount
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of evidence, text messages, bank records, primarily the text messages were interesting as to they were very incriminating and they painted a picture over a six-month period of a person who was beginning to feel trapped and a person that was making some incriminating statements, very incriminating statements regarding criminal acts. >> i want to make sure that i understand you here. when you say two weeks, in the last two weeks or the first two weeks you abandoned the homicide theory or started to move away from it? >> no. we skred it a homicide investigation and still kept proceeding along for the last couple of months as -- as a homicide investigation. we started receiving information based on subpoenas and court
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orders that we had issued several weeks ago and in the past two weeks all of that information started to surface and we began an analysis of that information. including bank records and like i stated over 6,500 deleted text messages that gliniewicz deleted we believe shortly before the staged suicide. >> mr. cavelli, there was an audit that was happening of the department and that the theory as i understand it as reflected in the text messages that mr. gliniewicz thought this would catch him. one of the questions the people automatically have is didn't you know about this audit? weren't people able to put two and two together earlier? >> well, the thing with the audit is he was asked to audit specific explorer equipment that we oversaw. he was asked to compile the data and provide it to village
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management. through reading the text messages, there was no audit asked of financials or bank accounts or of that nature. it was specific to specific items. going back to the text messages it became very clear, he was very concerned that the next step from the village is asking for some sort of audit or verification of funds in the bank account so the task force subpoenaed those records and received records back which takes sometime to receive subpoenaed responses back but once we started compiling the records and fbi forensic accountant assisted us with the analysis of these records and it became very clear the past seven years he's been using this as an own personal slush fund. >> you know, this case sent -- there was a lot of strange coverage of this case, a strange situation. it was a pressing national story. the manhunt was very pressing and then appeared to just tail
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off with the supposition being that three people that murdered a police officer managed to occur and then september 11th, in a news release, high ranking police releasing details chastised the coroner for his comments to the media calling him unprofessional and completely irresponsible. was that a mistake? >> the coroner's office has had a gentleman's agreement with the task force and other law enforcement agencies in the county specifically related to homicide investigations, these are extremely sensitive cases and a release of information prior to being vetted through the investigators or the investigative units could lead to problematic issues down the road. if or when an arrest is made and a prosecution is sought.
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the statement got its point across. we've had an extremely productive relationship with the coroner since. and i would say we're moving forward and continue to garner an extremely positive relationship with the coroner. >> the chicago sun times editorial board called for an apology from you, from the investigators, from the police saying that the moment lieutenant gliniewicz found dead investigators down played any notion he might have committed suicide lashing out and a slowly paced investigation they waited more than two weeks to get lab results on ballistics and gunshot residue. they fed the hero store line. do you owe anyone an apology? >> no. we conducted this case in a systematic, chronological investigative manner. you could look at this case as bag gigantic puzzle with many
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pieces and no set map. it took quite sometime to put the pieces of that puzzle together and come to this conclusion. we're never going to rush to judgment. we're never going to rush to judgment in completely ignore facts and -- >> sock. >> sorry. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. all right. just ahead, the crucial early state right now is wide open in the republican race.
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hampshire is even more important when you price in donald trump or ben carson might win new hampshire. new hampshire is totally wide open. 18 carson. 16 for trump. 11 for rubio. it feels like a huge moment in this campaign of who can take that state. >> absolutely. and, you know, you mentioned that poll so you do see outsiders like ben carson and donald trump still leading the pack over here. but marco rubio in that same poll, the support tripled since where he was in september so you really do see that shift that's occurred since both the second and third presidential debate. he packed a town hall here in new hampshire. there were people watching rubio from outside in an overflow area. they were very -- he was very warmly received and the other end of the stage jeb bush trying to revive his own campaign acknowledging he has to get better. >> yeah. if you're jeb bush, i mean, i
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honestly think he is right to ignore national polls. we should note new hampshire is not kind to the bush family. george h.w. bush lost to but can yoen and george to john mccain. not like there's a well of good feeling and he is not out of it in new hampshire, point being. >> oh, absolutely not. a lot of voters i poke to at some of jeb bush's events last night and this morning said they haven't made up their mind and although a lot of media attention around his campaign struggles, his weak performance in last week's dpaebt, it's too soon to write anyone off. he got a resounding welcome in a town hall and he really was speaking with a lot of energy for lack of a better way of putting it. the attacks of donald trump he lacks energy, he was so fired up at the events, jeb bush, practically shouting in some of those moments and he wanted to at least project he wants to win this thing and he vowed that he will be the candidate to win new hampshire. >> that's a great phrase. he wants to project he wants to
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win this thing. thank you very much. all right. that is "all in" for this evening. tomorrow evening, elizabeth warren will be on the show. and friday, the democratic forrum hosted by the one, the only rachel maddow exclusive on msnbc and the aforementioned rachel maddow, her show begins right now. >> very kind of you. know that i will not be asleep between now and that forum. >> you people watching this think you're joking about that. >> no. >> that is a true thing. i know you well enough to know that's true. >> liesing down in bed, i'm staring at the ceiling freaking out. thank you very much. >> all right. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. there's news going on in the world right now and even into tonight. we have a lot coming up on tonight's show. news tonight that one major household name, presidential contender, may not be getting into the republican debate for the first time. a new person at the kid's table. that story


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