tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC November 4, 2015 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
best knowledge, that chris christie is going to be at the kids table tuesday night. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word." >> we have breaking news from egypt about intelligence reports that point to isis for the crash of a padgett. i'll ask senator lindsey graham about donald trump and why republican voters are looking for outsiders and why democrats are looking for voters. >> this will change what happens in the 2016 race. it truly will. >> people that don't want to be taken advantage of. >> the election of tea party republican matt bevin as governor. >> i love what happened in kentucky. >> blue state, it is now red. >> nobody predicted it. >> we as a state have the ability to change the tenor of what politics looks like. >> another indicator of the strong yen for outsiders. >> jack conway ran into the unexpected head winds of trump
mania. >> they gave me a lot of credit for that one. >> losing to an outsider candidate in the year of the outsider. >> what was the fringe just a year ago is now very, very electable in the republican party. >> reflection of the angst among voters. >> there is something happening, folks. >> last night's wild and dramatic upset in kentucky is a warning shot to the country. >> fallon, what would you do to fix the deep ideological divide in this country? >> pizza party. the democratic party just got a brutal reality check. barack obama may be riding the political wave of his seventh year in office, but democrats are suffering significant losses. since 2008, democrats have lost over 9 state legislature seat, 12 governorships, 69 house seats
and 13 sflat seats. republicans control 70% of state legislatures, more than 60% of governorships and 55% of attorneys general and secretaries of state. the problem for the left was made especially clear last night, going against both polls and expectations, republican newcomer matt bevin beat jack conway in the gubernatorial race. just over 30% of voters turned out to cast a ballot. bevin's conservative message played especially well in the state's rural counties where in some cases he led with a margin as much as 60% or more. bevin, who has never held political office fwfr, also rode
a wave of insur jebt excitement. the democratic governor's association issued this statement. unfortunately conway ran into the unexpected hid winds of trump mania, losing to an outsider candidate in the year of the outsider. here's what donald trump had to say about that today. >> i love what happened in kentucky, and he's a good guy. and they gave me a lot of credit for that one. i don't deserve the credit, but there is is something happening, folks. i will tell you. there is something happening. >> joining us now are kay bailey hutchinson, former republican senator from texas and senior council at the law firm of bracewell and giuliani. a democrat consultant is, the co-author of "foxes in the hen house." how the republicans stole the south and the heartland. what the democrats must do to run them out.
let's start with you in to terms of matt bevin. i just wonder, does matt bevin not owe a debt of gratitude to the republican establish? i believe the republican association spent $2.5 million on matt bevin in the last two weeks and i wonder if they will call for that debt to be paid once he takes office. kay? >> are you taking to me? >> yes, sorry. >> oh, i'm sorry. i thought you were talking to e.j. i think that he came out of nowhere. i think he did it on his own with grassroots. when you carry 106 out of 120 counties, that's really a mandate. and i think what happened in kentucky is what you see happening in little pockets around the country because the republican primary itself and
the candidates that are the outsiders are on top. and i think there's -- what donald trump said is true, something is happening out there. i haven't heard a really good explanation for it except that people are sick and tired of government. they don't think it's working. they don't have the jobs that they used to have at the pay scales they used to have. i think people are frustrated across the board with democrats and republicans, but i think republicans are talking about the problems with overregulation, overtaxation, and the malaise in the economy. >> to that end, everyone is asking just what happened, right? the republicans are asking what just happened and it feels like we're having a moments where democrats are realizing what's happening in down ballot elections.
republicans are trouncing democrats at the state legislature level in terms of governorships. and i wonder how much you think with that is due to what your paper, "the washington post" called the notion of the political thermostat, that when there is a presidential race and if there's a republican in the white house. >> i think at the heart of it is the nature of the skrat constituency compared to the republican constituency. democrats are younger, more african-american and latino. the republicans are older and predominantly white. democrats vote much more in presidential elections than off-year elections. so all those gains we hear about are gains that the republicans have made in off-year elections in 2010 and 2014. that doesn't mean it's not a big problem for democrats.
they have lost all these seats. they lost control over redistricting. but it's a very particular problem they have to solve. and on the outsider thing, i think we're acting as if the outsiderism in the republican party and in republican parts of the country and in kentucky is basically republican, even though they've elected republican governors, is happening i cross the whole country. trump and carson are getting about half of the 40% of people who are republicans or republican-leaning independents. that's 20% of the country. big deal. it means something, but i would not overgeneralize what's happening particularly inside the republican party. >> steve, there's also off-year elections for governors when turnouts are low, that automatically favors
republicans. but he also points out the idea of a feedback loop. republicans when in office use those electronics to strengthen their constituencies and weaken those of the opposition. and that seems to be a sort of long-term effect. it's not just, we have our guys in this year and not in four year, not in two years. this is a sort of systemic change. and if you look at the legislation that's going through state houses across the country, this is the way in which republicans are truly changing the cultural, social and political landscape in the u.s. >> well, i think they are, but i think it's an oversimplification to say that it's based on an outsider candidate. i think there was some of that. but the outsider candidate had a ton of money. the outsider candidate in this case has been living in a system where, whether it's the koch brothers or the american website of exchange council spending millions of dollars at the state legislative level to try to build grass roots. democrats have not been doing that.
but i would also argue that part of the problem is democrats have not taken the fight to the american public. the american public is upset. they should be upset. government has failed them. you saw a republican win by saying i'm going to dismantle health care when 20% of kids in kentucky go to bed hungry, when 100,000 kids are going to lose their health care under this governor. i didn't see the democratic candidate fighting for that. they concede family values to the republicans. i'll challenge republicans on family values. poverty is not a family value. hunger is not a family value. lack of health insurance is not a family value. democrats have to go after these people. kim davis says, well, i'm doing what the bible says. no, you're not. you're doing what the old testament says. jesus said in the new testament 40 times, if you believe, you're in. but the problem, i think, alex, is democrats aren't making the argument. conceding the arguments to republicans, particularly in rural areas in the south instead of taking the argument to them.
when they're playing under that turf, the republican turf of letting republicans define the issues, that's what happens. so i don't disagree with anything that e.j. said here, but i think a fundamental problem for the democrats is much deeper. they've got to start reminding the american public what their programs have metropolitan. when kids in kentucky are hungry, we're going to feed them. the governor-elect wants to give up health care for 100,000 kids, with eoar not going to let that happen. that's not a family value. yet democrats aren't saying it and they wonder why they lose races. >> kay bailey hutchinson, you mention there's a frustration on both sides of the aisle of. if you look at the poll numbers on this, 69% of americans agree with the following statement, i feel angry because the political system seems to be only working for the insiders with money and power. there is bipartisan agreement. and anger seems to be an incredibly animating, motivating factor in this election.
do you think democrats have harnessed that sense of frustration. >> i think the democrats have been losing not only in these off election years, but remember in 2014, republicans took over the senate. and so now they control congress, but they don't have the veto pen. the president certainly has done a lot with his power, of course. and i think the republicans are talking about why the economy is so bad, why there aren't jobs. poverty has increased under president obama. and i think it's -- i think it's a factor of why. you have to say why. small businesses are the ones that are getting hit the most and are the most concerned and they're mad because of obama
care, because of the overregulation, the duplication of regulation, and they just see that getting nowhere, people see they're getting nowhere and talking about the middle class. those are the small business people that are getting saddled with all of these extra costs. and so they're not hiring people and they're not gaining. >> e.j., let me ask you, to the request eof frustration among the left, it feels like there is a robust thing happening, which helps with bernie vanders' popularity. we would like to extract from the presumed candidate. do you agree with that? do you think that anger is reflected in the poll numbers? >> i think the anger on the democratic side is much more against private interests having -- rich private interests having excessive influence. i think it's a very different
sort of anger as it is on the republican side. it's directed against government as a whole. just two real quick points on the senator's point. i was talking about midterms, not just off years. that's when the turnout goes out. and that's when democrats don't do well. and i think democrats particularly in red states worry about bringing the fight to the other side because it might make them sound liberal. but talking about keeping people in eastern kentucky on health care doesn't necessarily have to sound liberal. it sound like you are operating in the interest of those folks. so i think democrats do need to target rural voters whom they lost in large numbers and actually talk about what they're going to do for them. >> kay bailey hutch chin ton, e.j. is and steve, thanks for joining pups. >> coming up, chris christie has his biggest breakout moment on
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unnamed u.s. officials tell nbc news that evidence indicates a bomb likely brought down the plane over egypt's sinai peninsula that metro jet crash that killed all 200 people onboard this saturday. russian doctors say the back of the plane suffered injuries that are consistent with a bomb. u.s. investigators are focused on the possibility that isis operatives or sympathizers were directly involved. the suspicion is that the bomb may have been planted by ground crews or baggage handlers and it's a position apparently shared by the united kingdom. today, britain suspended all flights to and from the airport where the plane took off.
these developments are all happen on the same day that the head of the airport security, as well as three chiefs were fired amid the discovery of lax security measures. hours after the crash an isis affiliate claimed responsibility, but egyptian and russian authorities have dismissed it. today, the group reiterated its claim but shared no new evidence. american intelligence sources say none of the passengers or crew members were linked to any terrorist network. joining us now is evan coleman, a research developer for flash point, michael kay a senior adviser for the uk ministry of defense who is also a foreign affairs correspondent. and charlene gubash is the nbc news cairo bureau chief. thank you for being up at this late hour. can you give us a sense of the safety measures the egyptian government has taken in terms of air safety thus far. >> in terms of the airport,
they're bringing in a lot more bomb-sniffing dogs. they're even building kennels for them and they're going to bring bomb-sniffing dogs out on to the tarmac itself so they can check out the food carts. they can check out the luggage on the plane themselves. they're bringing in brand-new and modern x-ray machines. they're going to spread those out throughout the airport. they already implemented measures with the ground staff that they have to go through the x-ray machine ps before when they came in, they only went through the x-ray machines once and they didn't go back through them when they back and forth from the tarmac into the building and back out again. the policemen didn't go through x-ray machines at all and they didn't have to have fi special permissions to be on the tarmac. as far as the passengers are concerned, the measures are pretty much the same.
the ground staff, they're making them take off their shoe whence they go through the x-ray machines which never happened before. so a lot has been changing and people are saying -- the employers are saying the airport is being turned upside down and they never know what to expect and expect a lot of change to happen there. >> let's talk about these unnamed officials leaking the idea -- their assessment, we don't know how independent it is, that a bomb may be behind this. there's been a lot of talk about isis' capacity to execute something like this. >> isis' affiliate in the sinai claimed credit for this. not isis main. and their claims are very strange. this audio recording that was put out this morning, what they said is we're not obliged to tell you how we did this. and you prove to us we didn't do it. you get the black boxes and you prove to us we didn't do it. we dare you.
the pakistani taliban, hardly known as a technically skilled group. they hardly come from silicon valley, they had pictures of the bomber with the head of their group on youtube. this is what we expect from terrorists. isis is the most sophisticated when it comes to using the internet. it's been days now and there's been no objective evidence whatsoever from either isis central or isis in sinai that they were behind this, other than these audio recordings. so look, are these credible claims? yeah, they're definitely from isis, they ear claiming credit. is there anything in these claims, in these statements that would authenticate the idea that isis was behind this, that this was a bomb plot, no. nothing. zero, nada. so we're left with the statements from u.s. officials. and with that, we really have to see what they're based on. what does the forensic evidence actually show. and two days into the process, pardon me for being skeptical,
but i not sure we're there yet to make those kind of definitive conclusions. >> i think one of the things that ramped up speculations about a terrorist attack is the fact that the british government has effectively stranded 20,000 british tour iss in sharm el-sheikh. you' been to sharm el-sheikh. it's a ma i jor destination for european holiday travelers. so sort of leave them there in this moment would be some kind of indication of something. >> well, the most bizarre, russia and syria and the islamic state. and the other is the most severe, committing an atrocity. you're going to hit hard the tourist economy. sharm el-sheikh is a town that's risen on the tourist industry. there is no real sort of community around sharm
el-sheikh. it's all built on the tourist industry. but let me talk about the u.k. perspective at moment. it's been convened for 72 hours now. pan am 103 is a fantastic case study. that took a year to understand that it was an explosive in a toshiba radio set in the front hull of the cargo. it exploded at 31,000 feet. and it covered a debris field of 130 kilometers. and the bit of the analysis that i find interesting in this is that this jet was at 31,000 feet. the debris field was 8 kilometers. h-17 was hit by a guided missile. shoulder missiles cannot. isis do not have the track for the radar-guided missile. when it comes to the ability to do that, isis don't have the ability to do that. the mh-17 was spread over 50 kilometers and that was the proximity of the cockpit. the big question mark i have
over this, if it was an explosive device of some sort and it did explode at 31,000 feet, why isn't the debris field larger? that is the bit that isn't actually adding up at the moment. >> how confident are you that we're going to get transparency from the russians? >> it's very ziflt to understand that right now. the russians have so many different motivations wrapped new this. the last thing they want to do is admit that isis was involved in this. i think that's part of the problem is that any kind of a reporting or suggestion about who was responsible or what was responsible without some kind b of definitive evidence, we risk muddying the waters here. and there's a lot of people here who benefit from muddying the waters. russia does not want to admit that isis brought down a plane with 200-plus of their citizens onboard. that would be terrible propaganda for them. >> one would assume it would result in a russian escalation in syria. >> potentially. but the question mark is that the uk government wouldn't have put itself out on a limb well
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>> a new poll today out of new hampshire shows donald trump in the lead with 18% and ben carson at jump's heal with 15%. marco rubio is at 9%, john kasich at 8%. and on the other end, lindsey graham, mike huckabee and rick santorum are all at 0%. i spoke with senator graham about that and much more earlier today. senator, the latest polling from wbur shows donald trump and ben carson at the top, which is reflected in a lot of national polls as well. and i guess i wonder, what do you think is happening there in new hampshire and what are the responses to you, an insider in what some people are calling a season of outsiders.
>> if you look at polls in 2008 and '12 leading at this particular point in time never made it. there's frustration out there with the political system. i would suggest i'm more of a solution than the problem. but national security is an issue. my hope is, my belief is by coming to new hampshire a lot, i can convey a message that i'm better prepared to be commander-in-chief than anyone running and i have a plan to destroy isil and a desire to work with democrats to get us out of debt. and new hampshire, you can you can't buy new hampshire. if i'm going to break through it's going to be here in new hampshire. i like my chances. >> i would like to talk about that dichotomy, outsider versus inside per .and specifically the results in kentucky last night. matt bevin has positioned hymn as an outsider.
he went after mitch mcconnell in 2014. i wonder if you think you can stay an outsider once you're actually inside. matt bevin has already started hedging a little bit on his pledge to get rid of kynect and the exchanges, medicaid expansion. do you think he remains this insurgent once he's in the governor's seat? >> i thought it was pretty interesting that he called on mitch mcconnell to help him and mitch said yes. >> yeah. >> mitch came to mr. bevin's aid at the end. we are a team. the tea party has many similar views of the government that i do in terms of making it limited, trying to reduce the size and scope of the government. we definitely have real differences, but when you run for office and you get the job, it's like the dog that caught the car. you're going to ruin it for
other people on the other side of the aisle. he has my support. i'll try to help in any way i expansion? >> you know, i really don't know. >> let's talk about isis. they're getting reports that they may have had a bomb placed in the russian airliner taken down over the sinai peninsula. do you think given all of your foreign policy expertise, this could change vladimir putin's calculation about what he's doing in syria? >> it should. i think it's isil against mankind. they want to kill every muslim who disagrees, they want to purify their faith, destroy the christian religion in the middle east, destroy israel and come after us, the infidels in russia and here if they're outside of their faith. condolences to the families who lost their loved ones. you have to understand this about isil. their desire to kill is only limited by their capability to kill.
they have, if this is true, a sophisticated network to get a bomb on an airplane, to penetrate defenses. i hope this is a wake-up call that isil has to be destroyed. president obama has got the right goal to destroy, he just doesn't have the right strategy. >> i want to play a little bit of sound interview that joe scarborough had with charles koch the other day where he weighed in on his opinion regarding military intervention. >> we keep kicking out dictators and then we don't get anything better and we mess up a lot of people's lives in the process and spend fortunes and have many americans killed and maimed. it's kind of like my support for some of the republican candidates. >> were you dismayed to hear charles koch say that? >> no, not really. he's more of a libertarian. i wish he would help me.
i would be a republican that would change things. but here's my reply to mr. koch. this is a religious war. we haven't brought this upon ourselves. on september 10, the day before 9/11/2001. we didn't have one soldier in afghanistan, we didn't have an embassy, we didn't have a dime of aid. the reason they hit us is because they're compelled by their religion to destroy our religion, purify their faith and destroy the state of israel. it's not because we're in syria or iraq or libya. we were attacked before we went into iraq. if you don't understand, these people are motivated by their religion to create a master religion and they're intent on imposing their will on the rest of us. >> would you concede that the american people are skeptical of putting more american soldiers in harm's way in the middle east? >> no. i think if you ask the average american, do you believe isil will hit us if we don't hit them?
i think the average american believes that radical islam needs to be stopped over there before they come here. if you could show them a plan that would work, 350 special forces are not going to change the tide of battle. i would train syrians, give them a no-fly zone, give them a place where refugees can go, i would get the region together, the arab in turkey who hate isil as much as we do. i would put some of our forces in their army to destroy isil. they're about 30,000, 40,000. they're going to need a fairly good-sized army. most americans would support america joining with the region if you could explain to them how to succeed. >> senator graham, on that note, you're one of only candidates who articulated an explicit plan to combat rod call terrorist, regardless of whether i or other people agree with you, you're actually saying it.
and yet, the polling comes out this week, so the majority of republican voters trust donald trump and ben carson with the nuclear codes. and i wonder what was your reaction to that. >> well, herman cain was leading at one point in time. >> but not for this long. >> look at who was leading on this date in 2008 and '12. here's my point. i think the more we get focused on national security, the more my voice will resonate. i've been to iraq and afghanistan 35 times, 33 years in the air force. i've really done my homework here. i think my ideas will make more sense the closer we get to the election. ben carson is a fine man. i just don't understand where he's coming from on foreign policy. and it's mr. trump's view of syria to turn it over to the russians and iranians. that's a bad idea. the bottom line is it's not just enough to criticize president obama. what would you do differently. i would have a robust ground component made up of syrians, regional armies and some
americans to destroy isil without a ground component. it won't work. you need someone on the ground and the syrians by themselves can't do this. >> senator lindsey graham, thank you as always for your time. best of luck with the nest round of debate. we hope to see you on the main stage sometime soon. >> me, too. thank you. >> up next, chris christie's personal side has gone viral. and movie director quentin tarantino says he's not intimidated by police boycotting his movies.
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and that video has exploded online with more than 3 million facebook views. in it, governor christie talks candidly and personally about drug addiction. >> my mother was a smoker. she motor vehicled her whole life. she was addicted to nicotine. she started when she was 16 years old, which was 1948. but by the time 1964 came and the surgeon general report came out and she was in her 30s, she knew that smoking was bad for you. and i watched her as a kid growing up. she tried everything she could to quit. she had the gum, the patches, the hypnosis, she tried everything. she couldn't quit. when she turned 71, a little after that, she was diagnosed with lung cancer. no one came to me and said don't treat her, she got what she deserves.
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>> we need to start treating people in this country, not jailing them. we need to give them the tools they need to recover because every life is precious. every life is a gift from god. and we have to stop judging and start giving them the tools they need to get better. >> joining us now is patrick kennedy, a former democratic congressman from rhode island, the founder of the kennedy forum and the author of "the a common struggle -- the past and future of mental illness and addiction." i just want to go to the video of governor christie.
as someone who struggled with addiction, what do you find particularly resonant about that? >> well, to average 23 million americans who are in recovery, they're going to rush out, if they're in a republican primary, they're going to vote for chris christie. this has a powerful political constituency that isn't measured by any poll. i only hope that my fellow democrats can speak as passionately and as articulately as governor chris christie just did. he is absolutely right. we need to hear this from the president of the united states. we cannot hear the president talk about supply demand. when this is about a disease. governor christie is right, this needs to be treated like all other diseases, and we actually have the tools that he's talking about to treat these diseases. what we can't do, like governor christie said, is wait until they become stage 4 illnesses, which we would never allow if it was cancer. you would never allow it to become stage 4 cancer or diabetes.
you would treat it early. but addiction and mental illness, we routinely as a nation wait until someone is in crisis before our medical system responds. by then it's too late. that's why suicide right now is almost triple what homicide is. that's why overdoses today surpass car accidents. this is a public health epidemic and governor christie put a face on it and he articulated this in a human way. that is exactly the way we need our national leaders to articulate this issue. >> i think a lot of people don't understand the scope of this problem. there was a landmark study that came out showing just how broad the epidemic is. one especially among noncollege educated whites between the ages of 45 and 54. and "the new york times" coverage of this epidemic, the
only comparison that some doctors can offer is that of the hiv/aids epidemic. most americans, i think, are unaware of just how pervasive the issue of addiction, especially to opiates actually is, patrick. >> you're absolutely right. this study that was cited is a powerful study. it reemphasizes what we already know to be the case. we have an epidemic. you know, every other indices is going down, cancer rates, cardiovascular disease, homicide, suicide going up, overdoses are going up. this is a public health epidemic. we need to have a response. this is a bipartisan issue. everyone cares about this. that's why in new hampshire next week, we are going to launch the now campaign.com. republicans and democrats coming together to support candidates on the right like governor christie, and support candidates on the left who articulate this position, that this is something
we need national leadership to deal with. >> so that end, a granite state poll finds drug addiction is the number one issue most important to new hampshire voters. given the candidates in the field, we talked about governor christie. but what about hillary clinton and her announcement to treat the epidemic? >> hillary clinton has always been for prevention. i absolutely salute what hillary clinton has proposed. in fact, she's one of the few candidates to actually have a comprehensive proposal. most of these presidential candidates do not have a kind of substantive policy proposal that hillary has. but frankly, we need to hear from all candidate. and our country needs to hear from their senatorial candidates, gubernatorial candidates, congressional candidates. we need to hear from anyone who wants to be a public office holder, that this is an important issue.
so that we change this stigma and come out of the shadows of treating this as a moral problem, and instead start to treat it as the medical epidemic that it is. >> indeed, if there's a time to discuss it, it is now. patrick kennedy, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you, alec. >> coming up, quentin tarantino exclusive interview with msnbc tonight. he further explains his remarks on police brutality and why a police boycott is not intimidating him. opportunity has no slow season. no off-days, or downtime. opportunity is everything you make of it. this winter, take advantage of our season's best offers on the latest generation of cadillacs. the 2016 cadillac ats. get this low-mileage lease from around $269 per month, or purchase with 0% apr financing.
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>> i'm a human being with a conscious. and when i see murder, i cannot stand by and i have to call the murdered the murdered and i have to call the murderers the murderers. >> quentin tarantino made the comments a at protest against police brutality 11 days ago. since then, police groups across the country have called for a boycott of his next film, and
police officials have criticized him. according to nypd commissioner bill bratton there are no words to describe the con cement i have for him. tarantino is standing by those remarks telling the "los angeles times" yesterday he is not backing down. tonight he spoke to chris hayes in an exclusive interview. >> we are surprised by frankly the vitriol with which they've responded to those comments. >> yeah, well, i was surprised. i was under the impression i was an american and that i had first amendment rights and there was no problem with me going to an anti-police brutality protest. and speak middleweight mind. and just because i was at an anti-police brutality protest doesn't mean i'm anti-police. and basically, there was a lot of people at that rally, and we were all crying for -- we were crying for a lot of things. there was one thing in
particular, which was stop shooting unarmed people. we want justice, now stop shooting unarmed people. but they don't want to deal with that. they would rather start arguments with celebrities than examine the concerns put before them by a citizenry that has lost trust in them. i'm not a cop hater, but that's the way attack me, calling me a cop hater. that's the way the milwaukee county sheriff david clark, who was on fox all the time says that i'm putting police in danger by standing up for the rights of unarmed citizens who have been dill kilned by the police. but at the same time, they say that about anybody who acknowledges that there's a problem in law enforcement in this country right now. it he's considered by law enforcement part of the problem, whether that be me, whether that be bill de blasio, whether that be president barack obama. >> that does it for us tonight. you can watch chris hayes' full interview with quentin tarantino next on "all in."
trump lets it rip. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris matthews on a day that it appears donald trump is now convinced he's got a real chance to be president. after months of gobbling up free media attention, he's going to start peeling off the dollars to get his brand across the american way. he's about to spend a chunk of his billions in paid on-air advertising. well, the big question is how he will use his personal financial heft to bury the few rivals still in the field against him, painting ben carson as a loser, marco rubio for living off the republican party's florida credit cards anyway. having already survived a pair of governors, rick perry in texas, scott walker in wisconsin, he has far outlasted and outperformed pretty much all expectations except for his own.