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donald trump. [ making noises ] oh my gosh, good morning. it's never-ending, you could watch that for quite some time. >> that's how he describes someone tweeting. that's twitter. >> get ready for "saturday night live." he's hosting. >> this man does not look presidential. >> or he's changing the way presidential looks. >> good morning, it's thursday, november 5th, welcome to "morning joe." great day to have you all on. we're going to talk about the book and things in there that are quite interesting and
unexpected. former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. and washington, columnist and associate editor, eugene robinson. lots going on. we'll get to politics because we have some exclusive looks at new ads by donald trump. we will also be going live to bill neily because when ices i claimed responsibility for bringing down that russian passenger plane over egypt, many were skeptical but now the u.s. and british officials are saying it might be true. we're going to go to egypt with the late et cetera, potentially scary and frightening development. but first, we are under 90 days from the iowa caucus, this morning, donald trump is ready to hit the air waves with his first ads of $300,000 buy, and we have an exclus u first look at the very first radio spot. take a listen. >> donald trump learned the values of hard work,
determination, and faith at an early anyone. he went on to build one of the world's most iconic brands and companies which employs thousands of people. donald trump is running for president because politicians are talk and no action. they will never make our country great again. he'll stop illegal immigration and drug trafficking by building a wall on the southern border, and he will make mexico pay for. . negotiate great trade deals and our make our military so strong. donald trump will protect israel and brutally and quickly cut the head off of isis. he is self-funding his campaign. he will only be responsible to the american people, not special interests and lobbyists. it's time to make america great again. may be greater than ever before. vote donald trump for president. >> i'm donald trump, i'm running for president, and i approve this message. >> and another ad, we hear
directly from the candidate himself. >> i'm donald trump, and i'm running for president. our country is deep in trouble because let's face it: politicians are all talk, no action. my opponents have no experience in creating jobs or making deals. the fact is, i'm going to make the greatest trade deals we've ever made in our country and i'm going to bring jobs and money back to the united states. i'll take care of our veterans and make our military so strong that nobody will mess with us. i'll secure our borders, and yes, we will have a wall. you can't have a country without borders. and i'll make sure that the second amendment and our religious liberties are protected. obamacare is a total disaster, it will be repealed and replaced with something much better. if the people of iowa vote for me, you'll never be disappointed. i don't disappoint people. i produce. together, we're going to make america great again. i'm donald trump, candidate for president, and i approve this
message. >> donald trump joins us live in just a few minutes to talk about this strategy behind these ads, what do you see? >> i think it's pretty incredible that we're this far into the campaign -- >> $300,000 he spent. >> most people spend on like, i don't know what, m and ms, water. >> exactly. >> your communication. >> she would be the one. go ahead. >> the ads? well the first one, you know that voiceover is indisearnable from the voice that does the snl ads, i know he's doing the ads. i think they shared people, but the message is what trump says on stump, and if you like donald trump, you'll love the ads -- what's interesting to me about, i understand why he hadn't advertised to date because he's everywhere, and i wonder who he's trying to reach with the ads because he's still everywhere. i'll be interested to see if they make a difference. >> he's run through november,
iowa, south carolina, it's the first advertising we've seen. for those of us who cover him every day, we've heard all these lines before. people driving in the cars, going to work, they'll be introduced to donald trump. >> this is a good ad especially in the western district in iowa where steve king is there. the second half was pretty good. they're both good. it was pretty smart. >> it is interesting. >> he knows he needs to do a little more targeting. >> ben carson laughed off donald trump's criticism of his energy level. and he hit back at his opponent for his upcoming appearance on
"saturday night live." >> people still get to hear him. whether i'm campaigning or not. they still get to hear what i'm saying, or you have people talking about me saying i'm low energy or whatever. it keeps your name out there. that's good. those who accuse me of low energy, i seriously doubt that. i would not want that. >> do you plan on watching? >> would you do snl if asked? >> no. >> why? >> because i think the presidency is a very serious thing. and i don't like making that. >> also yesterday -- >> what do y'all think of that? should a candidate do that? snl. >> i think if you were asked to do snl, i don't think they've asked ben carson. >> yeah, we're choosing someone to beam into our living rooms for good and bad things that happen to this country. people to want see.
and what's funny about carson, people like him because of the non-political biography to politics. it's really interesting. >> i agree, i think people want to see the candidates humanized, but i think carson would be a disaster. he doesn't appear to have that personality that you need to be the emcee of snl. he is kind of low energy. i mean, he's as a flat affect, and that's tough on television. >> never seen him with any speed. >> absolutely. also yesterday, snl posted video promos for this weekend's show including some not intended to be released, like this one. >> donald trump is hosting "saturday night live" with cia and because of equal time rules for television, mr. trump can only speak for four seconds in this promo. >> let me just say this, ben carson is a complete and total loser. >> i discovered, when i was in
grade school, that those tactics really are for grade school. and i've gone far beyond that now. >> i mean -- >> he's just joking. >> ben carson's theory about the construction of the egypt's pyramids came to light yesterday. so we're going to go from grade school to graduate school. well, you don't want to talk about, ben carson doesn't want to talk about being called names and he calls that grade school. we're going to do something else. >> you know about ben carson though, he never takes the bait to his credit. but donald trump puts him out there. other candidates are compelled to respond and one-up donald trump which is always a losing proposition. ben carson rarely if ever -- he brushes all the attacks aside and keeps moving forward. >> and it it works. >> after buzzfeed dug up 1998 commencement address that carson delivered at andrew's university, a school associated with the church, take a look.
>> my own personal theory is that joseph built the pyramids in order to store grain. now all the archologists think they were made for the graves, but, you know, it would have to be something awfully big, and you stop and think about it -- i don't think it would just disappear over the course of time. to store that much grain. and various scientists have said well, there were alien beings that came down, special knowledge, and that's how they were -- doesn't require an alien being when god is with you. you know. >> the video surfaced from 1998 andrew's university -- [ inaudible ] >> yeah, well the pyramids were made in a way that they had dramatically sealed come apartments. you wouldn't need that for that.
you would need that if you were trying to preserve grain over a long period of time. >> okay. >> not me. go to willie. >> willie. >> i got nothing on that. >> gene. joseph. >> yeah, i'm completely speechless. what can you say about that? >> yeah, but you could say, i was drunk when i gave that speech, and now i came back. that's what you say. he's not saying it. he's sticking with it. >> that's what i believe. he really have gone into a realm where we haven't been before. and so, i think there are a lot of follow-up questions that we could ask about history. about his personal theory about history, and how this stuff happened. i'd like to hear more. >> gene, we had this talk a
couple days ago about bites and debates and all this other stuff. >> you should say, that was an interesting conversation. >> that was an interesting conversation. >> but. >> but. but? >> come on. >> come on, now. okay. i don't know why she just had me say that. but anyway, of course -- sob anyway, has always been liberal hosts will say raise your hand, do you believe in evolution and and i usually roll my eyes going come on, it's not relevant. in this case, i want to know how
old ben carson thinks the earth is. >> oh, absolutely. >> if you say something like that, you have, for conservative, opens the door. do you believe the earth is 5,000 years old? do you believe it's billions of years old? i mean, because this is some really, really quirky stuff. >> yeah, this is way out there. and i want to know more too. i want to know more about his world view. and his view of history and if he really -- i'm not saying if he really believes it. he does really believe that joseph built the pyramids to store grain. which no one else believes. no one else in the world. so -- >> i want to know if he thinks noah built the eiffel tower. we have a lot of questions. >> the wackier -- what's interesting to me about him and trump is that nothing they say
seems to harm them in the minds of voters. i mean, i wonder how many more things like this were going to broadcast and sort of stand by. and i'm sure that when people see this, they'll just -- >> well, nothing they say seems to hurt them in the meeninds of voters. >> your point is well taken. >> let me get to other elements before you pick this apart. >> can i ask a question? >> no, please don't google the pyramids. okay, let's go. we're digressing. >> willie and i, we were talking about this last night, were the pyramids built in 2500 b.c. or 2638 -- >> you guys always fight about that, right? >> we fight over this. but the question is, if that's when the pyramids were built, why wasn't it in the bible? >> so joe -- >> a lot of historical facts are in the bible.
>> i think he disputes when they were built maybe. because in the bible joseph stores grain. i think ben carson is making the link between that story in the bible. >> but what i'm saying though is, so why didn't we read a chapter, like in, you know, exodus or whatever, and, you know, in genesis, didn't joseph built him, he, three pyramids, and god's mighty hand was upon them all. i mean -- >> let me ask you from a historical perspective. >> no. >> no, no, the last time we discussed pyramids in politics, it was at hamilton's visit to the georgetown bar. next. >> fox news poll -- >> i knew that was coming. >> fox news poll that has donald trump slightly ahead of ben carson 26-23. the three point difference is within the margin of error.
ted cruz and marco rubio locked in third place. all the other competitors including jeb bush are packed at the bottom of the field with 4% or lower. and polling at 2%. governor chris christie, at-risk of missing the main stage at tuesday's republican debate. christie appears to be under the polling threshold of 2.5% in the four most recent national posts yesterday. fox business will announce the final participants tonight. >> i do think the new hampshire poll, they're going to have to give a lot of weight to the fact that he and marco rubio jumped the most in the new hampshire poll. so these contests, obviously, but you said whoa. i heard you say whoa, eugene, obviously jeb bush sitting at 4%, everybody else at 4% or lower. that's just mind boggling. and at the top. the top looks pretty much like it looked before the debalt. it looks like again, may be the
carly fiorina affect, see the swing after the debate and come back to normalcy where actually donald trump's leading carson now, and it's cruz and rubio. >> makes you wonder though. >> i think the the two stories right now are that number one cruz and rubio, cruz and rubio seem to be establishing themselves as a second tier for this phase of the campaign. >> i don't know if jeb can fix it. >> later we're going to be showing our viewers his -- jeb bush talking about his father and his relationship with his father and sort of where the campaign is and also talking about getting a media consultant. it's all a little bit -- in my opinion, it just doesn't ring.
at all. >> i can help you with the media consultant thing. don't go there. hold on, i'm serious. keep it down here. where everything's all right. >> to be fair, everybody gets help and everyone getsed a violation. >> there's nothing wrong with having a media consultant. >> okay. but quickly though, talking about chris christie again now, i'm telling you, they've going to find a way to get him in the debate. i'll tell you why because chris christie is on the move in new hampshire. i can sense it, we can look at it. i think the youtube video now getting up -- close to three million hits. i had people e-mailing me all day yesterday, willie. this is a guy that jumped up six points in the latest new hampshire poll. chris christie is on the move. you know what, fox has got to figure out a way to get in that debate because he's on the move. >> it reminds me of the first debate with carly fiorina and she did so well, got to get her on stage, whatever that is.
i feel that way about chris christie right now too. he finds a way to climb new hampshire. it's tough to exclude someone from the debate. >> it doesn't work. it just doesn't work. should be two prime time debates, it just doesn't work. i think it's almost disrupting the process. people search on the bottom, doesn't that happen? who are the networks to say who goes in the debate that no one watches? >> i would guess if lindsey graham had been actually in all the regular stage debates, his numbers would be higher. >> and everyone should have a chance to interact with everyone, that's what a debate is. >> split them up, maybe an hour. five people from one hour, five people for the third hour. mix it up. >> one major headline we need to get to this morning. there's mounting concern this morning that isis may have played a role in bringing down a russian passenger jet in egypt's sinai peninsula. u.s. officials say there is growing confidence in the possibility that the jetliner
was brought down by an explosive device. this news comes on the heels of new video showing the aftermath of the crash. in the footage you can see smoke rising from plane wreckage. rescue workers nearby and scattered debris on the ground. chief global correspondent bill neily live in cairo for us, bill. >> reporter: good morning, mika, right from the beginning, amid all that smoke, a bomb was one theory, one possible cause of this crash, now on day six, as the smoke has cleared. u.s. officials say evidence is pointing towards a bomb. not a firm conclusion, but the focus clearly now on isis of being spobl for this crash. for five days, investigators have searched the wreckage for clmystclcly.now a u.s. official news, ed indicates it was likely a bomb. the suspicion, it was placed on
board by ground crew or baggage handlers and that isis is spobl. it's a strong suspicion, not a conclusion. and no ed of a bomb has been found yet in the debris, but it's a suspicion shared by britain. >> we have concluded that there is a significant possibility that that crash was caused by an explosive device on board the aircraft. >> they are suspended all flights to the airport where the plane took off. officials won't say if sbenls comes from the crash site or the flight data recorders which are still being analyzed. and no one is ruling out the possibility of a technical fault on the plane. one hard piece of evidence, a u.s. satellite strongly suggesting an explosion. and heat flash detected at the time of the disaster can only have come from a catastrophic fault causing the fuel tank to explode or a bomb. russian doctors report the injuries of those in the back of the plane match an explosion.
but the mere suspicion this was a bomb raises this disaster to a new level. >> we obviously have a strong desire to get to the bottom of what exactly happened there. >> an explosive device, also aircraft in this region is just a real game changer for security. >> reporter: u.s. aircraft have long been warned away from this area. the faa advising airlines should avoid flying into or over the sinai peninsula. if it was a bomb there will be evidence, explosive residue, fragments of a timer. no one has found it yet, but there is growing concern. >> we well the egyptians this morning kicking back. the tus theory isn't based on facts, but the egyptians have fired the head of the airport from where the plane took off. and investigators have discovered really lax security there.
the russians too don't accept this. 23 russian tourist planes will land today at than airport. but, the russians have brought in anti-aircraft missiles to protect their war planes in syria. they clearly think now that they are a target. >> nbc's bill neely, thank you very much. all right. we'll be following that. still ahead on "morning joe." presidential candidate donald trump joins us. we'll get the strategy behind the first-ever campaign ads and who he sees as the biggest rival for the republican nomination. senator claire mccaskill will be joining us. and senator ben -- >> gadding. >> yes. >> we got claire too, we're excited about claire. >> well, i'm a little scared, but that's okay. senator's major speech on the floor brought his colleagues to their feet. we're going to get more of his brutally honest assessment of both political parties. you're watching "morning joe,"
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at 26 past the hour, jeb bush is trying to find his footing on the campaign trail. he had a trip to a charter school in manchester yesterday. he spoke with young students all morning long and gave an honest answer to a question about his dad. >> what was it like having a dad growing up being president? >> well, when we grew up, he wasn't president, when i was a kid, he was just a dad. and he was the greatest dad alive. my dad was such an inspiration for me that whenever i made a mistake, all he had to do was say i'm disappointed in you, and it would send me into a deep, spiraling depression for as, you know, for days. because i admired him so much, i respected him so much. he didn't have to lift a hand. he taught me right and wrong how he reacted and behaved and treated others. so what it was like to grow up like that, total blessing. >> you know, i spent a lot of
time in short periods of time with jeb, alone, and cars going from the airport to the speech or this to that. and jeb, will always, being a driver, said, i love you dad, and something like that, and jeb would be reading papers, and as you know, it's not usually good thing to interrupt jeb, and he goes, the greatest man i've ever met in my life. not a close second. and i thought wow, jeb has a close relationship. and then, i think it was in 2004 campaign, george w. came down. and they got in the car, and you had jeb and george w., and i was fortunate enough to sit there, and they're driving somewhere else, and they're talking about all these different things and one of them brings up their dad. they both start talking about their dad. >> and crying. >> and here's the thing, when nobody was watching, there were
no cameras on. they started talking about their dad, about what a great man he was. >> reverence is the only word. >> george w., you heard he had tough whatever with his dad. here he is, he's back in the presidential limousine, he has all these other things, and what jeb and george w. are doing and talking and tearing up about their dad and what a great man he is. i've never seen anything like it before. >> they revere him, and while their mother, i think was always the one to ghif him the inconvenient truth, if you will, their father was the one, and i don't remember a time when george w. talked about his father without getting emotional. and jeb is the same way. they revere this man. that was a very -- jeb's gotten to know to opening up. and opening up to his dad is a good someplace to tart. bush is opening up about
elements of his campaign reset including the hiring of a media coach who trains fox nudes anchors, and helped coach george h.w. bush to the white house in 1988. >> you hired this media consultant to help you with debat debates. >> yeah. i'm going to be better -- >> what's he telling you? >> telling me to be me. own what i believe. >> the consultant told you that? >> amazing, huh? probably not. probably not. >> bush himself -- >> how great is john carl? that guy is so great. i just love him. and because he's laid back, he was like, you know, he just has conversations with him, and he gets more out of them, and you get a nice moment like that. >> bush is seeking to reassure donors that all is well with his campaign. here he is yesterday on a conference call obtained by nbc news talking about his preparation for the fourth republican debate.
>> i'll head back home, do a little preparation on the debate. i promise you i'll do better. all the nervous nellys on the call, chill out, we're going to do better, i promise you. and this is going to be a fun campaign. >> howard, what do you think? >> this whole thing is so hard to figure out. i think that when he decided to run, he thought he was going to be in a serious campaign. and with serious issues discussed. and this is a guy of some gravs to, right, we were talking about earlier comes from a family that has really, the republican equivalent of the kennedy's, essentially, and he's on the stage with his guys that are not anybody -- this is not his ideaer of what the future leaders of america go through. i think it's frustrating for him. >> and jeb is a policy guy -- >> yes. >> and he's in a policy-free zone in this debate. and it's hard to figure it out. >> it's really hard. and i think in some ways it's unfair because this is a lot of
performance-based analysis that we're talking about here. and in a way, he has the ben carson problem. i don't see another dimension of jeb bush every time he talks. i see the same one. i understand the reverence for the father, i understand the interview with the media consultant, but i see the same flat kind of i'm not really there mess of it -- excuse me. >> sorry. >> when you think about chris christie entering any of those questions that we just saw on those three sound bytes, you would get emotion, you would get different dynamics, you would get a little friction, you would get honesty, and you would get, i'm not using a media consult tanlt. and i don't get why chris christie's doing so badly. i kind of get why jeb bush it is, it is unfair, but it is how you communicate and how you relate with people. >> that's true. i think he just -- essentially got ambushed because he thinks at a different level. i thought this guy's going to be the nominee for president. and i thought okay, this is going to be a tough race.
this guy could be president. on the stage with people who -- if they are capable, don't show it because of the ridiculous stuff that's going on set by the front runners. >> i just mentioned someone who can, chris christie. >> yeah, but chris christie, i feel always thought chris christie is a dead man since the bridge thing. there's too much stuff there. he's just not going to win. i don't care how well -- >> and also donald trump has been such a strong, dominant force. >> right. >> jeb, i mean, donald trump -- >> knee capped everybody. >> jeb bush, defined him brilliant. i've never seen anything as brilliant -- >> he branded them. >> branding of another candidate brought donald trump did in jeb bush. and he's having a hard time getting around that. >> for a guy who's not a politician, donald trump did the first rule, define the other guys, he did that right out of the box. jeb bush, his calculation was i'm the policy guy. look at the state of florida, and he said i'm and again, i'm not a showman, i'm a doer.
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presidential candidate, donald trump. his new book "crippled america: how to make america great again" was released yesterday. good have you on the show. >> good morning. >> we showed a poll, in your opinion first place ahead of ben carson. all is well with your world now and everybody is going to be calling you front-runner again because you're ahead in the poll. >> well, it was a strange thing because abc washington post did a poll and it was a great poll, and i was way up, and nobody wanted to use it, then other polls came in and they were good. and one from cbs and it was bigger than benghazi, they covered it bigger than benghazi. and i never really understood it, but that's the way the world of politics works, i guess. >> how's your campaign going? >> i think it was an outlier, but who knows. they played it very well,ly tell you. >> how do you think your campaign's going? it looks like in some of these polls, some of the -- states like new hampshire, fields
bunting up underneath you, you're still in first place, but it's getting tighter, isn't it? >> i don't know. we've had some really good results in new hampshire, i have tremendous support in new hampshire. i love the people up there, made so many friends. i think it's going really well. i don't know. i mean, everything i've seen is very positive. even yesterday when i went to file, hundreds of people were there waiting for me. and we all went up together and filed. i think new hampshire's going really well. i think south carolina's been amaze, and as you saw, the most recent polls in iowa have me back in first place. >> you know, the title of your book, not exactly an uplifting title. sort of the reagan belief that you always need to be optimistic, certainly doesn't fit neatly in the title of crippled america. why did you call your book cripple america? are things really that bad? >> number one on yahoo. i was happy about that. i felt that, you know, it's such
a negative thing that's happening to our country. we're going in such a bad direction. so wrong, the iran deal, the $19 trillion in debt. the way we take care of our events, which is deplorable, deplorable. its never been worse, never been longer wage, never a worse period of time of time for vets. our military, we get great equipment, one shot is fired up, the enemy takes over the equipment. we give it to people, we don't know who they are. it is just terrible what's happening to our country. sergeant bergdahl, we get bergdahl, they get five killers they wanted for nine years. everything's wrong. we don't have victories anymore. and so, i love this story, and somebody used the term, crippled america, and it stood out, i go whoa, that's really a tough term. and then i said wow, i think i'm going to do that with the book. and then, you know, simon and shuster sent up this great photographer and took these beautiful pictures, so nice, my family was so happy with the big
smile, then he took a picture where i wasn't ready, and it was horrible. and it was the picture that everybody said we should use. you can't have a big smiling face with a term crippled america with the title. so, its been doing really well, the book's been amazing, actually. and it was the hardest i've worked on a book since the art of the deal. i've done 12, many best-sellers, but this is the hardest i've worked. and it was a little bit, you know, it was a quick time, quick turn around, but it's the hardest i've worked on a book since the art of the deal. >> let me ask you a question, donald, about money, we're going to talk about your add buys in just a bit, $300,000, not too much for you. often, i think one of the main attractions of your message is that you don't need money from the outside. you're paying for this yourself. people really like that. and you often said that you don't have any use for big donors. specifically sheldon adleson and
paul singer and the koch brothers. politico learned that trump or his surrogates have sought to build rips, if not support from all three of those donors. calling into question the billionaire real estate showman's repeated assertions that because of his wealth, he has no use for major donors. were you reaching out for support and or money? >> we don't want any money. politico is so dishonest in so many different things. this politico website or whatever the hell they call it, they write about me. we don't deal with them anymore because the level of dishonesty. we actually had, i think, 11 or 9 superpacs formed by different people. i see talking about me and saying nice things, but i have no idea who the people are and i said what's going on? in theory you're not supposed to know much about the people that are running it, all the sudden i had all these superpacs, one called the art of the deal, named after my book. they had another one called
something else, and i think we had nine or 11 of them formed. and we sent letters to them that we don't want your help. and you know, in a way i feel badly because some of them were probably legit where they really want to do a good job, others were probably people that are taking money, and they're going to have a very good life as people give them maybe a million dollars in total, maybe much more than that, i don't know. but we actually terminated all superpacs. we don't want anything to do with them. we don't want them to advertise for us, we don't want anything. and we said it very loudly an strongly. i'll tell you what, this whole superpac, it's a scam deal, and it's a horrible thing that's going on. like tens of millions of dollars is being poured into the superpacs, in the case of bush, carson, the superpacs are literally running their campaigns. this carson's case, the superpac is running the iowa campaign. and not allowed. you're not allowed to do that. he shows up, tell him where to
go. the whole something ridiculous what's happening. superpacs are a total scam and we have disassociated ourself from all of the superpacs. we had many of them set up, many of them set up. and we disassociated ourself from all of, we don't want any of that money. >> hey donald, just to button that up, it wasn't just politico, new york time reported that too. you never had conversations with shelley or paul singer who you now criticize that backed your campaign? >> i don't know who paul singer is, and i had one conversation with sheldon and all he wants to do is protect his reel. but i don't want his money, i don't need his money. hey, i am putting up my own money. i built an unbelievable company. i have a cash float that's enormous, it's ridiculous, if you said that i would have been doing this kind of numbers 25 years ago, i would have laughed at you. last thing i need you talking about peanuts for a campaign. it's actually not a lot of money. and no, i don't want to do --
the only thing i can tell you is sheld season very well protected because i will take care of his deal, but his primary thing, i would say 99.99 is real. >> you've been very tough lately on marco rubio, i'd say in the last couple weeks, you've really zeroed in on him, ben carson is the guy who's up tied with you or just behind you in many of the polls nationally and in the early states. do you see marco rubio actually as your biggest threat? >> i don't think so. you know, i'm not a fan. i don't see it. personally. and you know, i've been in florida and florida's been an amazing place for me. and i'm there all the time. and for years i've heard with marco and the credit cards. when he was in the senate, when he was doing whatever he was doing. and he was involved with the republican party, for years i've heard about marco and his credit cards. and i'll be honest with you, i think that he's got a problem there. you know, he had to put money back. they found things, maybe he made amends, maybe he didn't. how are you allowed to make
amends on a later date. there were a lot of things going on with credit card and his backer. and i don't see it. i'll be honest. i don't see it. maybe i'm wrong. when jeb bush went after him at the debate the other day, i mean the delivery was poor, but the message was very strong. i mean, what he does with the votes, when he doesn't show up to vote. he becomes a senator. representing the people of florida, then he doesn't show up to vote. because he wants to be in some other location. if i was from florida and you see his polls in florida are terrible, i'm beating him by many times as an example, i would be extremely upset in florida. i would be very, very upset. >> you know, donald, we're going now to nicole whose mother saw you at a rally in reno, right? >> yeah, my mom saw you after the debate last week and conv e convened a family meeting, two urgent messages, one, oreos were now made in mexico. we don't eat them anymore,
nicole. >> neither do we. and my sisters are all democrats, so they're really mad at you. but my mom asked me, she said, you know, at his rally he talked a lot about his polls, and they love you. they want you to go all the way. they're worried that that's the only metric you have and should you be down in the polls like jeb bush, will you still be committed? is there any metric that you value? talking about your book, you talked about being number one, is there any other metric for you or hard wired a z a business person to only be fueled by that ranking? >> i'm totally committed. i'm going all the way. doesn't make any difference to me, but the reason i talk about the polls is because i'm in number one place. somebody said, well other people don't talk about the polls. i said that's because they're being beaten. i mean, i will say this, if i were being beaten, if i was in third place or fifth place, i wouldn't be talking about the polls either. but it was funny because somebody said, well other people don't talk about the polls, i said, i wouldn't either if i were, you know, mired in seventh, but the answer is yes,
and i'm sure your mother told you it was a great rally about the spirit in the huge auditorium. >> she did. you did an interview with fox news and she tried to jump in the corner. >> quickly. >> and now, we'll talk to somebody who is not down the interview rallies -- >> we're going to make them go. >> howard dean. >> hello, governor. >> hoourd's a complimentary of you, surprisingly. >> i know, i've been watching, i think he's a terrific quite actually. >> i have to have been wrong every time i've predicted you, what am i going to do? >> that's okay. >> political pundit is gone. >> do you have a question? >> howard. >> we've been through this before. >> here's what's going to happen in your race, it's going to come down to you it looks like and somebody from the republican establishment who will then coal's around that, what's your plan for that and who do you think it's going to be? >> i don't know. you have a couple of people going up. and jeb looks like it.
i originally i thought it was going to be jeb, that's why i went after jeb harder than everybody else. i thought it was going to be jeb, that's the ultimate establishment. i think his father's book that came out, or just is coming out is going to be very tough for that. i think it's just another nail. that's a tough book from what i understand in terms of -- in particular, his brother and his brother's presidency. i don't know who it's going to be. you can't predict. the two people they're talk abouting are cruz who's been extremely nice to me as you know, he's been saying complimentary things and rubio. and we'll see what's happening with rubio. he's getting hit hard on his credit card things and other things that they're finding out. i don't know will he sustain it. but i have a feeling it might not be rubio, but we'll see what happens. one thing in politics, howard, we never know. >> yeah. especially this time. donald trump, thank you. i think we're going to be seeing him. >> seeing you soon. >> have you back on the show. >>ly say this -- i will say
this, had ben carson been asked to do saturday night live, he'd have done it in two seconds. that i can tell you. >> he said he wouldn't. >> that would be one heck of a show. >> yeah, and you informed me very interestingly about the pyramids, i think i'll have to put that into my repertoire when i talk about ben. that was a strange, that was a strange deal. learn a lot by watching your show, folks. >> i'm really sorry about that. i tried to wrap them up. and it just kept going, donald. all right. i think he
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he's relatively moderate. he has big donors. well, i guess we'll never know why he's so unpopular. >> all right. welcome back to morning joe, with us former governor howard dean and the washington post eugene robinson still with us. and joining the conversation, former advicer for president george w. bush and co-founder of the no labels movement. mark mckinnon. and foreign correspondent, katie tourk whose been following donald trump's presidential campaign. >> let's front page, willie goois of the washington post this morning, revealing story on jeb bush and talking about a comeback tour as a therapy session. not a traditional campaign story, and i don't know that it's a story that a lot of presidential candidates want written about them. >> no, you know, you have to decide if you're a fan of jeb bush whether this is good or bad in the post. but it talks about him being
intraspective now, coming out and diagnosing the problems with his own campaign and talking about his personal life with his father as we've seen before. and i guess part of a strategy to open up and be seen as less, sort of tightly wound, which is kind of one of the criticisms among the campaign trail and be a bit more human. what we see in the past though is when you go into a newspaper and announce that you're going to be more human, it looks a little inhuman. >> hillary did that about a month or so ago, but it actually worked. you know, that's the funny thing. sometimes these things that are so calculated that it makes us go, ew, hillary's was horrible, but guess what, it worked. her numbers went up. >> i look at the corollary with george w. bush when we got pounded by mccain in new hampshire. >> i always stood by that. >> read the washington post, the morning after that debate. >> it's part of the process and the drill that you have to accept the humiliation, and you have to acknowledge that you're resetting, you have to tell the press, yes, i'm starting over. you have to go through the whole
thing, and once they beat you down, acknowledge it, then you can climb back in. but you have to acknowledge it. so i think actually what he's doing is smart. >> so, let me ask you mark though, if you're marco and you're losing to donald trump, a guy from manhattan, by what, 20 points in florida. and state if you're jeb, you're losing by 25 points to donald trump. a guy who lives on fifth avenue. and in your own state. it's kind of hard to reset from. >> well, i mean you talking about marco and jeb in ah last weekend. and all the juice out there was with marco and with ted cruz. i mean, there's some real stuff happening to those guys out there. >> and ben carson. >> of course. but i'm talking about sort of the new thing that's happening. >> really moving. >> and you can sense those things when you went throughout on the trail. man, they got mobbed. so, you know, i think to marco's credit, he's just keeping his
head down and just driving through. >> right. >> he's just going to wake up, still three months away, and iowa is there, right? >> does break. but i think there's basically a contest on what i would call the establishment. seeing who's going to go up. most likely trump, possibly carson. i think trump's a much smarter politician than carson. let's go through this, we talked about the therapy tour, and in just a moment we're going to show you chris christie doing a similar thing, opening up to people. we can compare those. but, first, donald trump is ready to hit the air waves with his first ad. a $300,000 ad by an iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina. here is an exclusive look at the first radio spot. >> donald trump learned the values of hard work, determination, and faith at an early age. he went on to build one of the world's most iconic brands and companies, which employs thousands of people. donald trump is running for president, because politicians are all talk and no action.
they will never make our country great again. he'll stop illegal immigration and stop trafficking by building a wall on the southern border and he will make mexico pay for it. he will negotiate great trade deals and make our military so strong, no country will ever mess with us. donald trump will protect israel, and brutally and quickly cut the head off of isis. he is self-funding his campaign, he will only be responsible to the american people, not special interests and lobbyists. it's time to make great again. maybe greater than ever before. vote donald trump for president. >> i'm donald trump, i'm running for president and i approve this message. >> i just heard it. >> and it was said in the most soothing -- >> beautiful voice. >> beautiful voice. >> one -- a woman's voice. >> want to put it on one of chose sound machines. it's really beautiful. >> or your gps. >> and that is what he said,
donald trump will brutally and ruthlessly cut the head off of isis. >> just breathe that in. >> you have arrived. >> and in another ad, we hear directly from the candidate. >> oh my gosh. >> i'm donald trump, and i'm running for president. our country is in deep trouble because let's face it: politicians are all talk, no action. my opponents have no experience in creating jobs or making deals. the fact is, i'm going to make the greatest trade deals we ever made in our country. and i'm going to bring jobs and money back to the united states. i'll take care of our veterans and make our military so strong that nobody will mess with us. i'll secure our borders, and yes, we will have a wall. you can't have a country without borders. and i'll make sure that the second amendment and our religious liberties are protected. obamacare is a total disaster. it will be repealed and replaced
with something much better. if the people of iowa vote for me, you'll never be disappointed. i don't disappoint people. i produce. together, we're going to make america great again. i'm donald trump, candidate for president, and i approve this message. >> howard dean, you said that. and i agree with you in western iowa. you say these are effective ads. >> i think they are effective ads. for those of us that are inside the game, woman's voice is talking about cutting people's heads off, probably a little over the edge -- >> not if you're donald trump. >> that's right. ly brutally and ruthlessly cut the head off of isis. >> yeah. i think they're good ads. i do. you know -- >> it's still weird though listening to donald trump ad because it sounds almost conventional about a campaign that is anything but conventional. >> and now that i've had time to think about it, only $300,000
buy, this is small. he is trying to make himself more mainstream about delivering his message. this is a calmer way than he's been talking about it. >> and by the way, nicole said after, i hope she doesn't matter, i hope you don't mind us saying this, but -- thinking about about it now, but nicole said we have noticed every time donald comes on, he just, he's getting on. the thing about donald trump, we're doing negotiations with him, and you know, donald goes into win, and that's one thing, he always wins, and he said the second thing is, he's the fastest learner i've ever met in my life. >> consultant. just needs to listen. >> and i think and seeing him evolve very quickly. >> nicole's been around a few campaigns and said he gets better every time. you said the same thing. you said that. >> a lot of people didn't notice this, he dropped ted cruz into the list of establishment republican candidates.
that is stunning and he got away with it, and that's in the back of a bunch of voters mind right now. i couldn't believe it. >> katie is with donald trump every day, we just talked to donald a minute ago and asked him about his singular focus at the moment anyway on marco rubio. i asked him if he thought rubio is now his biggest threat despite ben carson's numbers, and he said no, i don't think so, but boy he spends a lot of time talking about him. >> and he's been talking about him for a couple months now. he started hitting him i think a month and a half ago. and you could tell that he was forward-looking, most forward-looking thing we have seen. rubio at the time was note high up in the polls, but there was a sense that he would start to surge. and that's when we started hearing donald trump talk about how he was sweaty and how he was a kid and a baby, even sent him the bottles of water and the towels. since then though, you've seen him evolve, or even mature as a candidate as howard was saying that he's a quick-learner, talking about instead of personal attacks, his senate
voting record and his finances and other issues that he has. so you can see that donald trump is starting to become more of a traditional campaigner. the radio ads actually resurprised me because they do sound so traditional and the campaign had said, previously that they hired an outside group to do these ads, and that they would be very different than the stuff you hear and you see on tv and the radio. so these ads are striking in a sense that they're very down the line. also it's so odd to hear a woman saying those words that donald trump usually says on the campaign trail. it is very, very weird. say that all the time. usually screaming it at a rally. >> sort of whispers them. brutally and ruthlessly cutting the heads off of isis. so talk about martin, off guy who's ahead in every state, except for iowa, he's going on iowa in these ads. the guy that did this at the
highest level for president bush, what are these radio ads doing for donald trump? what dimension do they add? >> two things strike me, one is from a message point of view, they're right on target. and for anybody who hasn't heard the message, which is hard to imagine at this point, but there are these voters, and the caucus voters, wants to pinpoint, call for that message. so for a message point, it's very right on point. i was struck by how conventional the ads are. i don't know if you remember roos pennsylvania row, but his ads were very different. >> traditional. >> this is traditional. >> they're very traditional. in a sense it kind of goeses to your point of evolving, and in this case evolving towards a more traditional approach. and we'll see. just from an ad guy's point of view. >> they're traditional, except they're in donald trump's voids, it's not like some monoin a tone politician. if you're driving in your car in iowa and donald trump's voice come on the radio, you listen.
>> it's interesting. >> i can't speak to your campaigns or campaigns that you've run, but i can always tell you, yeah, i put up 30 second ads, radio spots where i really felt like i was connecting with a guy driving in the car or wliel i'm driving in the car. >> chance to think. the tv ads are a thing of the past, but you're right, when you runl the 30-second radio ads. i knew i had somebody driving in their car, taking their kids to school or doing whatever. again, especially in western iowa, right? >> through the ag network. >> farmer. >> going to spend a lot of time in their cars, it's a big place. you know, i'm with will, i think it is conventional, but i think that's the design. i think he understands that he has to move himself back towards the center, not too fast, but if he's going to get the nomination, he's going to be
likely hillary clinton, it's going to be tough. >> gene robertson, jump in. >> i think this is a simple issue with donald trump. i agree with howard dhooen of the two outsiders, he's a smarter politician. he has the more conventional view of ancient history. but, you know, i think he is likely to emerge as the outsider candidate. so once you've established yourself as different from all the other politicians, how do you then do politics? how do you then, you know, do the things that any candidate has to do to get elected. like run ads? so i think it's fascinating that these ads are mark said, so conventional, it's, i mean, it's interesting. it's like, you have the very conventional package and this packet of hot sauce inside. which is kind of, which is an interesting way to go about it. you know, make the surface
conventional, and then inside, you're donald trump. >> all right. tonight, chris christie will campaign at a drug rehab facility in new hampshire. just days after his emotional plea to voters about treating addiction went viral online. the video, much of which we showed you yesterday, was shot by the huffington post. and uploaded to facebook where it has been seen nearly five million times. >> five million. >> take a look. >> my mother was a smoker. she smoked her whole life. she was addicted to nicotine. and i tell you, i watched her, she tried everything she could to quit. she had the gum, the patches, hypnosis, she tried everything. she couldn't quit. now, when she turned 71, little after that, she was diagnosed with lung cancer. no one came to me and said, don't treat her because she got what she deserved.
no one said that about someone who had cancer. yet somehow, if it's heroin or cocaine or alcohol, we say, well, they decided they're getting what they deserved. i'm pro life. and i think that if you're pro life, that means you've got to be pro life for the whole life, not just for the nine months you're in the womb. >> i mean, everybody at this table, even howard dean -- >> wow. >> wow. >> that's an authentic moment. >> i thought the one about him talking about his friend in law school who had it all -- >> you've got to watch the whole thing. >> perfect life. >> it's perfect. >> befrt life, best-looking guy in the group, had everything going for him, was the greatest athlete. and then, got on prescription drugs at 42, lost everything, debt at dead at 52. the way he delivered that -- >> was from the heart.
>> from the heart and it was, i don't know if republicans will end up voting for him or not, but those two videos, it's authentic. >> really getting there, right governor? >> this is atestonishing thing for me, this is not the republican view of the world. i mean, many democrats as well as republicans, we're from this purity tradition in america where you make your bed and you lie in it. for him to say that, this is the argument, this is actually the argument that pro choice have been making about pro life people forever, and he said what a lot of democrats have said and middle of the road people. i am amazed at this. >> and willie, he talks about it's easy to love, love them when they're in the womb, but it's harder to love the 16-year-old girl lying on the jail cell floor addicted to heroin, shivering. >> that her life is just as precious in god's eyes as that
unborn baby. >> governor christie has seen it in the state of new hampshire, into new jersey, new hampshire, he's seen it friends, family, this heroin epidemic, it is an epidemic over the last decade, it's linked to prips pills that we seen. chris christie as i said yesterday have taken steps inside your state to provide cops with the tools they need if they find someone who is oding on heroin. they have the antedote. >> they have experience with the law. now the law deals with these people. and he puts these people in context. >> and the underlining point of everything he said this is that we need to treat these people and not put them in jail. >> this is the real meaning of the medical model for treating drug addiction which we're going to have to get to. it's astonishing to see it come up in a republican primary when the contest is how far you can get to the right. this guy is leading, that particular stage he is leading the way in terms of changing america's thinking about drug addiction. 's astonishing. i am blown away. >> watch the video. >> it was shot in new hampshire
where the drug ep dem sick spiraling out of control. 325 opioid-related deaths in the state last year, that's up 76% from 2013. new hampshire ranked second to last in access to treatment programs. the state has about 100,000 people in need of treatment, but it's publicly financed system can serve only 4% of them. and presidential candidates have taken notice. hillary clinton has spoken frequently about issue of addiction on the campaign trail. she proposed a 10 billion clars plan to slow the epidemic. carly fiorina spoke about the loss of her stepdaughter to addiction. and yesterday in new hampshire, jeb bush opened up about his daughter's story. >> my precious daughter was caught at a pharmacy actually, and there are bad actors where you have people that overprescribe, you have people, pharmacy shopping, doctor shopping, it's a lucrative business where people commit these crimes and there should be
strong, strong enforcement. we have to take a pause and recognize that we're not, you know, paying this part of life that you have tow monitor a pain for sure, and you have to deal with it, but overprescribing creates all sorts of adverse outcomes as well. >> i very much hope that i am the only person on this stage who can say this, but i know there are millions of americans out there who will say the same thing. my husband frank and i buried a child to drug addiction. so, we must invest more in the treatment of drugs. we need to tell young people the truth. drug addiction is an epidemic, and it is taking too many of our young people. i know this sadly from personal experience. >> wow. i liked that moment with jeb bush talking about his daughter and i didn't see that before. that was good. >> and -- >> obviously this issue --
>> pretty remarkable moment we've seen from pre-packaged, focus group, poll-tested campaign, where suddenly, they talk about this and mart mckennen, it's the best thing they can do is talk about the struggles that i guarantee when jeb bush was talking about his daughter, one of my best friends -- >> that wasn't easy. >> one of my best friends died, and he died because he was overprescribed. >> they want so to see humanity. vulnerability is a very human thing. and people want to be able to relate to the candidates and know they've gone through similar issues that everybody's gone through with families and friends. and azix a big one. >> everybody knows, everybody knows a member of their family, everybody knows a friend that's had this struggle. it's okay to talk about it. >> we need to fix it and you can't fix it with the model that we now have. i have to say that i am shocked what jeb said that because the
bushes are not known for introducing private stuff about their family. i think inside the beltway, at least it's widely known that jeb's daughter had an addiction problem, it's very un-bush like and very important. >> i agree with that. >> thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe." isis's claims they took down that russian jet may not have been as farfetched as they sounded. nbc pentagon correspondent joins us next with the latest from the u.s. intelligence. we'll be right back with that. the future belongs to the fast. and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company... one totally focused on what's next for your business. the true partnership where people,technology and ideas push everyone forward. accelerating innovation. accelerating transformation. accelerating next.
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this morning, egypt is insisting its airports are safe after u.s. and british officials said it is possible that isis bombed the russian jet that crashed in the sinai peninsula over the weekend killing everyone on board. let's bring in our nbc news chief pentagon correspondent, what's the latest intelligence from inside there? do they believe this was brought down bay bomb? >> reporter: u.s. officials say there's sufficient evidence to indicate that it may have been a bomb, and that it may have been smuggled aboard that russian
airliner at the airport by ground crews or caterers or mechanics there at the airport. that seems the most likely scenario. because an intelligence scrub of everybody on board, including all the passengers and the crew aboard that plane showed no indication that anyone had any tendencies or connections, whatsoever, to any kind of terrorist or militant group. now the british are convinced enough that it may be a bomb, of course, they halted all their flights out of and into the airport and are considering ordering some 20,000 britts in that region to evacuate. it remains a bit of a mystery. and one of the issues here is isis, which claims responsibility sophisticated enough to do this. but one official i talked to said, the sophistication now in getting an explosive device on the airplane is concealment to
get it through the security. that's the sophistication, the bomb itself is pretty rudimentary, so if in fact there were ground crews who had access to that airplane before it took off, it might have been a very easy matter to get a bomb on that plane. but again, nothing conclusive from u.s. intel and military officials yet. the investigation is still appears to be anyway headed in that direction. >> so mick, nothing conclusive from u.s. intelligence, but british intelligence seems to be pretty certain that it was a bomb as you said considered evacuating all those people. surely the brits and the americans are sharing intelligence, what do you think the british know that the americans don't? >> they do share intelligence obviously, and from the very moment that that plane hit the ground, they were working together to figure out what the implications were on security in the u.s. and great britain. and that's the key, willie, you think the right on the head. there is a piece of intelligence out there, we've been told that
it gives us strong indication that this plane was brought down bay bomb, but nobody has shared it with us for obvious reasons. >> at the pentagon on this story, thanks so much. still ahead on "morning joe" yesterday he made quite a first impression. >> guess what, normal people don't talk like this. they don't like that we do, and more important on whether or not they like us, they don't trust their government because we do. it's weird because one on one, when the cameras are off, hardly anyone around here really thinks that senators from the other party are evil or stupid or bribed. >> senator ben sasse of nebraska getting rave reviews this morning for his first ever address to the senate. but will his wake-up call wake up his colleagues? he joins us live from capitol hill next. we thought we'd be ready. but demand for our cocktail bitters was huge. i could feel our deadlines racing towards us. we didn't need a loan.
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the people despise us all, why is this? because we're not doing our job. six-year term is a terrible thing to waste. a two-year term requires hampster wheel frenzy. our jobs do not. i think we can do better, and i pledge to work with all of those who want to figure out how. >> it sounds like you're got you a sort of soul mate on the other side of the aisle. >> i think i found an ally. i'm looking, i think i found one.
>> that was democratic senator joe manchin yesterday on "morning joe" reacting to ben sasse's powerful first speech on the senate floor. and senator sasse joins us live from capitol hill. >> you waited a while to talk, it was worth the wait, apparently though. >> are you getting any good or bad feedback? >> good morning, thanks for having me. good feedback. my message is the senate shouldn't die. it's an important place, and we should act like it and we should be solving big problems, and i think most people ultimately recognize that's true. >> you know, we actually said that when harry reid was majority leader, and harry of course led one of the most dysfunctional senates in u.s. history. can you guys hear us? did you hear us? okay -- >> he was lost. >> yeah. >> harry reid just pulled the plug. >> i guess so. >> all right, i'll tell you
what -- >> i like your show too. >> we waited a year, and we got the year. >> and we're going to have to wait another year now. >> we will have senator sasse on in 2016. >> we're going to fix his feed, but for now, we want to show martin mckennen, he wanted to see another part of the christie clip, we want to play this and go back to the senator. this is new hampshire town hall meeting, over five million hits on youtube over the past couple of days. >> give you a second example. i'm a recovering lawyer. [ laughter ] thank you. so i went to law school. and for any of you who went to law school, anybody here is a lawyer, you can admit it privately if you want later, but the people that you're closest to from law school are those people who are in your first year study group. first year when you're nervous as heck, you don't know. you don't know what is up and what's down, make it or not make it.
you have this small group of people that everybody puts together. tlrt eight of us in my group. and we studied together. and you get to see everybody at their absolute worst. these are your best friends in law school. one of the guys that was in my study group, give you his profile. he came, went to law school at seaten hall university in new jersey. he came from an ivy league school to seton hall. he's the smartest of all of this. he became an editor of the law review. he was the first one of us who got a job. out of school. got out of a big prominent law firm in the united states. making the most money. married an incredibly beautiful woman, who's a doctor. they have three gorgeous daughters. one cuter and happier and more talented than the next. he was the first one among us to become a partner at his law firm. he bought a great house. he had a great car. and worse yet, he was really
good-looking. and in perfect shape. the guy used to run 10, 12 miles a week, every week. so, we loved him, but we hated him. because the guy had everything, right? he was running one day in his normal routine. he hurt his back. running. he was in his early 40s, and was not giving into age. and he was running his normal time, and he hurt his back. and so he went to the doctor because he was having trouble working, really hurting. and so he said listen, we're going to give you treatment or whatever, but in the meantime, we're going to give you percocet. help numb the pain. well, about a year later, i get a call federal his wife. and she said, she's addicted to his painkillers. and he won't listen, and i kicked him out of the house. and he's living at his parent's house, and you guys need to go and have an intervention with
him. those from law school, get him to go to rehab. so we all went over there, we had an intervention with him, and it started a ten-year odyssey of him being in and out of rehab. during that period of time, she divorced him. he lost his right to see his girls. he lost his license to practice law. he lost his driver's license, he lost his home, he bought himself a condo and she kicked him out. he lost that. he lost all the money, spent all the money he had saved and spent through most of his retirement when a year and a half ago on a sunday morning, we got the call we'd been dreading forever. they found him dead in a motel room with an empty bottle of perk sect and empty kwaurt of vodka. 52 years old. by every measure that we define success in this country, this guy had it. great-looking guy, well-educated, great career.
plenty of money, beautiful-loving wife, beautiful children, great house, he had everything. he's a drug addict. and he couldn't get help, and he's dead. and when i sat there as the governor of new jersey at his funeral, and looked across the pew at his three daughters, sobbing because their dad is gone, there but for the grace of god, it can happen to anyone. and so we need to start treating people in this country, not jailing them. we need to give them the tools they need to recover because every life is precious. every life is an individual gift from god. and we have to stop judging and start giving them the tools they need to get better. >> wow. i'm tearing up. i mean, you know, i don't care what your politics are, that is humanity. man, that's powerful.
that's human authentic powerful moment. >> drugs are in either administration, that is what you have to know in order to be a successful drug czar. >> what a special moment too. and willie, as steve kornacki said yesterday, being a new jersey guy watching him when he was a prosecutor going around the state, said people don't understand chris christie has political skills that have been actually eclipsed by the bridge stuff. but, he's back, and he's a player. >> and this is not a cynical opportunistic thing. he's been talking about this in the state of new jersey for years and years and years and doing things about it. you could do a whole show about this subject, but it'll be interesting to see if any candidates we're talking about it turn it into policy where what benefit is it to society locked up in a prison and does cost more to hold that person in
prison than to build treatment centers for those people, the answer is yes. >> the other candidates you've seen. >> well, the best thing that a candidate can do in today's politics is surprise you. show you something different. the chris christie that we know is the tough guy, in your face, here's this powerful, soft, compassionate side that nobody's interested in. i haven't seen before. it's like all the sudden there's a whole other dimension and it's interesting and compel pg. let's go back to senator sasse, i think we will waitless than a year to speak to again. we got your audio back, sir. so sorry about that. >> i thought we had something going, then you hang up on me. >> oh boy. >> thought we'd wait until year. >> sassy, all right. >> and it's had to be frustrating for you over the past year not speaking on the floor. at the dysfunction that you've seen all around, talk about that, and what a frustrating first year its been for you and how we can fix it. >> well, i mean, i'll be honest,
its been the least productive year of my life so far, but it's an important way to lay the ground work to interview other members and learn about the place. it was a long senate tradition for ages until about 40 years ago, that freshman didn't speak for a year. and i made a commitment to nebraska yans that it was obvious this place was dysfunctional, but knowing that accompanies bankrupt is knowing kpbtly why. i want to learn and get to know my colleagues. s it important work to be doing this year, i've learned a lot. >> i was saying before that harry reid was, i thought, one of the least effective majority leaders in the senate, in history, but now, we're got a republican running it. we can't blame harry reid anymore, if it's dysfunctional and not working, isn't the problem with mip mcconnell and the republican majority? >> listen, joe, you've been around the u.s. senate, there are 85 to 100 of us who can share in the blame for what's broken in this place. the big question i have, and the only reason to do this job is
because you're worried about the next generation. and if the u.s. senate isn't the venue that's going to debate the most important generational challenges you face, there's really no reason to do this. i think you had donald trump on earlier, we need to make the senate great again, thinking about putting up some hats. make those hats. >> senator sasse, it's willie giest here, does it change anything? you're not the first senator or presidential candidate to talk, change in the culture of washington, i'm thinking about president obama when he came in 2007, and we have to fix what ills washington. what do you do about it? we've identified the problem that things don't get done, the culture is toxic, how do you change it as one guy? >> i don't think one guy does change it, but i think there are a lot of people around here who'd like to bring into bhabl we know to be true in private. we bicker with the life and death certainty about a lot of really small stuff. and we've got some big, big
problems in this country, and we should be tackling those things. i know you had governor dean on before, i don't know fn he's still there -- >> he is. >> he's a guy that -- governor, hello, debated a few times in the past, and we differ on lots and lots of important questions, but i actually like the guy, i think i just begged for a primary challenge in nebraska at some way down the road, i like the guy because we get to the meat of the issues we want to fight about. sometimes her was a purple corduroy suit, but that's distracting. >> what? >> not true. >> but owe no -- >> senator, governor dean just said the same things about you before you came on the show in the commercial break, didn't you, governor? >> you know, ben and i have disagreements about how things should run, but, i believe that we can hammer out a decent health care policy between the two us of because we care about the facts and not the talking points. >> this is pure no-labels message. >> it's true. >> and it starts with not demonizing the other side and just having conversations. i'm glad you're doing it, thank you. >> thanks. >> all right, senator ben sasse,
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studies. >> so carl, i've been very critical of the deal. i think it's a absolutely horrific deal, at the same time, the deal with iran is a cosmic bet, and i always tell people, never made the deal, i think it's dangerous, but, if it works, it changes the world. >> well, that's the deal. >> in a way, in a way that americans can never understand. >> the basis of this story, i went to teheran to see, i haven't been there in nine years, my 11th visit, but i've been there a lot, and it's important to see what's changed since the last time i was there, because the whole premise of the nuclear deal is that iran will change. and it's beginning to expire in ten years, and in 15 years, they can run all the centrifuges they want, and, you know, bomb back within reach. the u.n. will be there to inspect all these things. >> the idea is that it won't be the same iran in 10, 15 years. that's what the story is.
>> what's happening in iran right now internally? they're arresting more americans, locking more americans up. every day we hear more bad acting from the iranians. are these the hard liners that are sharing the hard liners in iran that even though they made a deal with america, we're still the great satan to them? >> i think both countries signed this deal saying this is very specifically about the nuclear issue, it's not about hoping up. they're going into an election season, and they actually don't want, i think to have this issue of relations with america as a campaign issue in iran. so they're taking it off the table. and so we're going to see, and also that gives the hardliners much more room in the election campaign to basically aggressively campaign against the deal and say okay, we signed this, but no more. >> first of all, not era,
secondly, incredibly educated, i say no because arab, it'll knock your head off. they have a 5,000-year history. it is a very complicated society, and -- >> it used to be the way the head skash of was worn was the way you were told what's going on inside the country. more hair, stronger for the moderates, less hair, stronger for the hardliners. that's no longer a measure, the hard liners have given up on that, that issue. on the question of the job, which doesn't seem like a big deal to us, but it was really core to revolutionary ideas, you were enforcing public morality, they have basically, since the 2009 rerevolution, pass a deal between them and the public is,
you lee politics to us, and we're going to give you personal space. >> that's a huge, there's these arrests now and the hard liners are pushing back, but they've seated a huge chunk of political space, not just personal space for that. >> so in terms of the nuclear deal, just curious, how surprised are either of you that hostages just a part of that? just not even beginning to talk until justice -- >> i'm not surprised at all. to cut a deal, you have to say what the deal is about. >> how can you cut a deal with someone who's holding -- >> hostages. holding journalists hostages. >> isn't it a base? >> well, if you want to have a deal about nuclear issue, it has to be about nuclear issue. >> really, we gave them weapons, it wasn't just about -- i think the reason that joe described, a lot of americans have a lot of concerns because washington post
reporters still in jail, he's been convicted since the deal was done. now serving a sentence, and they're still screaming death to america on the streets of iran. you know, how much have the sentiments of the iran yans changed towards us? >> and how can we trust them if we can't even trust that they're not going to wrongly convict americans and throw them in jail? >> there are different issues here, you go to negotiation's table, you john kerry, you sit there to conclude a deal, you have to focus on what the deal is about. >> but if you break into my house the night before and you steal all my stereo equipment, and in the next day, you're telling me trust me, i'm not going to come to your house next week with a shotgun and start blowing people away, i'm probably not going to start my negotiations with you until you return my damn stereo equipment. >> people will say that's simple-minded logic. if you don't have a meeting of the minds and at least a good faith start, how do you begin
any negotiations? >> that's not the way we approach the negotiation. the issue of that -- >> if i can't trust you in small things, how can i trust you in large things? >> trust is a problem on both sides, the key issue is when we went to the negotiations table, they were not put on the table. the arrest of jason was not put on the table. so we basically took away all the other issues away to just focus on the one thing that they could make a deal. >> there has been some good faith, i mean the supposed master mind of the towers, bombing, five weeks after the deal is signed, suddenly, he's no longer under the protection of hezbollah, he's turned over saudi intelligence. >> so there's layers and layers. and he has made, you know, indicated that the washington post reporter might be -- >> this is an important article to read. >> on newsstands now, carl big, thank you very much. thank you as well. we will be back at the moment for more "morning joe." the future belongs to the fast.
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guest at citifield early monday morning as the kansas city royals won the world series for the first time in 30 years. >> whoa! >> joining now, democratic senator claire mccaskell of p -- >> these teams are not big way hole teams. the louls the last two years i think you go be a cha 800,000 people are looking at video right now. >> all wearing blue. >> jonny gomes could run for governor tomorrow and win in a
landslide. >> not even close. not even close. >> it would not even be close. that's very, very special. >> so we had senator as on earlier. gave a great message. i i'm sure about how dysfunctional the stat is. it was corably dysfunction under harry reed. now we've got a republican in charge and we have republicans still come planning it's horribly dysfunctional. >> was in the chamber for ben's speech. he said, claire, i'm doing my maiden speech and i made it a point to move my sked ool around so i could be there. i was pleased to see mitch mcconnell listening to that speech. it o would be great if we would quit focusing on the other guy
so much to make others look bad. it's a symptom of the problem on capitol hill. if we could get to the business -- >> i can likewise maerk make the argument that benghazi was about america and an, a killed. you go but we could this tru true. i think that's exactly true. >> why doesn't that happen? why can't that happened? them you're nut if we're worked in the same chamber, we could get a lot of stuff done. >> there's some of us that hang out in the middle but, joe, our politics doesn't reward people who want moderation and come piez. all the noise is made on the far left and far right. there isn't a lot of rabe being made by any of those candidates about negotiation and compromise. it's ul about appealing to the
extreme bases. >> i can say on the other side you have hillary clinton, the enemies she's the proudest of are republicans. that's a lie. you and i both know hillary clinton and now hillary clinton work worked. >> she doesn't say it on the campaign trail. she made a joke in the debate and she laughed as she said it. even bernie acknowledged she was joking when she said it. this is exactly what we were talking about, a gotcha situation. >> it's not a gotcha situation. vice president of the united states agrees with me. >> he's the one who said she was joking. >> you would never hear me say in this poisonest pechlt would
be democrats. i still to it da be he said it a an. >> to capture that and blow it out professional portion. >> i'm not blowing it out of proportion. i'm just saying it's a sign of a bigger problem. >> you and i disrespect on this notion that you have to always have conflict. season frens the end conversation like the type that we usually you thought we were
too easy on him. i remember interviewing hillary clinton in 2008. i had such a nice, positive every time she came on, i felt compelled to apologize with hillary clinton. that was fascinating. you have just gotten more out of her that i be in, pbs these guys who behind the scenes have been pulling the lever on the wrecking ball -- >> boy, that's not going to a talking point, claire. if you're gonna talk the talk, you have to make them walk the walk. >> i'm not demonizing them. i'm just hifing you tramps.
in you democrats had an ad about bushing paul rye want be pushing a forecast these guys have spent millions of dollars behind the curtain and i'm not aware of any candidate that supports gay marriage that they've supported, not one. i guess i was just saying that finally these guys are being interviewed as he probably is inclisic expectations about what they're up to. >> hold on a second. you know, claire, i'm going to say i'm going to take exception. you keep talking about wanting to have a civil conversation opinion i invade every same this
evening many had tech mica push them. m. >> dp parkwhat i mean is that they have not been out there being interviewed. and they have, in fact, been a major force against a whole lot of candidates, including me. so when you've been behind that 8 ball and when you've had that pressure put on you, it's maybe -- you it was hard for me tolessen to a calm conversation. i'm trying to explain why i felt the way i felt. >> let me just say, i know exactly how you field. the afl-cio spent a lot of money about a couple of my friends until one union guy grabbed me
and said, hey, shut up, we're all voting for you. it's hard not to take it personally. >> it feels personal to us who have had one of the most democrats in the nat so this notion that i'm automatically a bad guy by these big donors when in the interview i agree with you that there are many things they said that made them not demon like. on the other hand, what they've done is pretty extraordinary in american democracy. that's the point i'm trying to make. >> yes, i could sit there and bang it over the head of all of you.
and their influence over politics failed. it didn't work for them and they're questioning whether or not they should take this tact again. why would i attack that answer? >> i get that. they funded a lot of tea party candidates. the aft is primarily their organization. they have been successful in elections at large. i think i could argue that they have in fact -- look at state legislatures where they've pounded plenty of money the last few years. >> we shall see what happens moving forward because certainly they are not pleased with the far right social agenda of some of the people that they elect. let actually get into some
politics. let's actually get into some policy here. it's been a fascinating discussion. first of all, drug pricing. i want to ask you, you want to get into, this you want to make drug pricing fairer. i ask how do we do that and make sure that my son who has diabetes still has pharmaceutical companies that are able to reinvest to try to cure diabetes? >> yeah, we've got to be very careful here. that's why susan collins, the chairman -- speaking of bipartisan kwop wrags, she and i worked very closely together on a lot of issues. together we are trarfully going forward and what we see is companies buying another company and the company that buys this drug doesn't even have an r & d department.
they're just slapping a new label on a drug that doesn't have a lot of price increases of 500%, 800%, when all they're doing is switching labels. >> that does sound obnoxious and needs to get fixed. whenever you talk to scientists and people who know what's going on, professionals, they're saying we're going to be able to get some super drugs that will come with a passive price tag at the very beginning. what are we going to do is $.
>> part of this investigation will be looking at the fda process. is it more onerous or maybe more expensive than it needs to be. we want to look at that process. we also have to look and figure out about funding of research in this country. i mean, there are those are capitol hill that don't think investing in the national institute of health, n.i.h., is a wise use of tax dollars. >> that's insanity. >> the n.i.h. is really, really important to the issues you're talking about. when we can help fund some of this research then we're way out ahead when it comes to the cost of some of these drugs that coulsave lives. >> i think republicans that want
to cut back on n.i.h. funding are fools. when you look at the biggest price drivers, the thing i care about the most is long-term debt. it's drivenly medicare and medicaid. we can create a healthier america and we can do it by investing on the front end of ni hi. >> i'm a compassionate conservative and i'm really happy to see my party moving on drug reform and to see chris christie talking about the issue. on this issue can you work with republicans? >> of course. and i started one of the first drug courts in the country in 1993 working -- was one of the few prosecutors, along with a prosecutor that ended up being fairly famous, janet reno if my
country. i believe very much that this is an issue of where in america and i'm glaz as the first of september. she heard this as she was moving around the country listening to people, she realized this is cutting across every party, every community, urban, rural. we've got to realize that it's a public health issue before it's a justice issue. >> go royals. >> you started it, joe. you brought up the koch brothers, i didn't. you wanted to fight. >> exactly. i'm with claire. >> i wanted to show people and i'm dead serious here, exactly what we showed people when you come on. you can fight, you can debate and you can get along. as i said last time, she claim she's really good you i was
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