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the primary. nick and mara, thank you for joining us. welcome to the family. chuck will be here tomorrow. craig melvin picks up our coverage next. i'm resigning as president of the university of missouri system. i thought and prayed about this decision. it's the right thing to do. >> celebrating, but not stopping. students at the university of missouri insist their president was not the only problem. he's out, but now what? we've got breaking develop me. s on that story. >> what happened today in missouri, what all of that says about students, athletes and activism. developing news this hour on the deadly shooting spree in jordan two. americans killed, two more hurt. investigators are trying to figure out why. and ben carson, as more questions surface about his life story, the presidential front-runner says he's being
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treated unfairly. >> so what do you think is going on? why you? >> because i'm a threat. >> a good monday to you. i'm craig melvin. we start with breaking news from columbia, missouri, where students declare this is not a moment but a movement. ♪ we shall overcome ♪ some day >> just moments ago, word that the chancellor of the university of missouri has announced he will be stepping down at the end of the year. that comes just hours after the university of missouri system president tim wolfe resigned after weeks of pressure from students, faculty and eventually law makers. they were upset about his lack of response to racist incidents on campus. people hurling racial slurs without consequence and someone using human feces to draw a
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swastika. these were not rare occasions of hate, but a part of the culture there. a graduate student decided to go on a hunger strike until wolfe stepped aside. some started paying attention to the story then, but this weekend when black football players at missouri, an s.e.c. school, said they would not play or practice again until wolfe went away. that's when it reached a tipping point. mizzou's coach supported the plan strike. if the tigers did not take the field this weekend against brigham young they would have to pay a $1 million cancellation fee. if the chess club or volleyball team threatened to boycott, i'm not sure this is the monday morning headline. college football players, the kogs in the engine that power many a university in america realized their collective power to affect change.
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we start with sara in columbia, missouri. we've got new information from campus in the last ten minutes. what can you tell us? >> yeah. this story continues to develop tonight. the university's chancellor announcing that he will step down. the university's president had done so immediately. the chancellor has a slightly different time table. he will see his position out through till the end of the year, to the end of 2015. with this announcement, the university also announcing a series of changes, including the appointment of a chief diversity inclusion and equity officer. they say a full review of school policies that concern students and faculties. student activists continue to add to their list of growing demands. they want to see racial awareness and inclusion curriculum and want to see an increase in black faculty and a plan to retain marginalized students. many described today as a step
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in the right direction. they want to seize on this momentum to make real and lasting change here on campus. we spoke to several students about their rack immediately following the president's announcement he was stepping down. >> i think it's amazing. it's been a long time coming and amazing to see all these people, faculty, students, every race here in solidarity with the movement. >> it's a very exciting moment. glad to see a change. >> honestly, i was surprised to hear the announcement, but it's definitely a big step for the movement. >> the coaches just wrapped up a press conference which they talked about their decision to hold this boycott. the coaches said they did so after several of their players came to them expressing fears about the health of that graduate student on a hunger strike. they do say practice will resume as normally scheduled to
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tomorrow. back to you. >> we should note the hunger strike as well ended. sara dallof, thank you. i want to bring in liz brown, an attorney, columnist for "the st. louis american." also james peterson of here lie university. thank you both for being here. liz, good to see you again. haven't seeb you since what is on the ground in ferguson for a while. you just heard that list of demands from these students. the chancellor's gone. the president's gone there at the university. realistically, what's the next step here and how realistic is that list of demands? >> the first step is to reflect on how the university got to the place that it is. the fact that the university felt that it was appropriate to select a president for campuses who had no experience with academia, who came from corporate america and had absolutely no experience in the issues that confront this university, how was that
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decision made? why was that decision made? and we shouldn't make another decision like that. when you look back at this president at wolfe's experience, he was a student in 1976 at mizzou. during that time in 1976, black students were creating entities because they did not feel comfortable on the campus of mizzou back in 1976. it was only two decades before black students were even allowed to attend. so you have a president who grew up, who was educated at a time in mizzou that it was okay to do the things that are now happening in 2015. if you talk to any african-american student at mizzou, they all will tell you that it is you understood at mizzou that you do not go to greek town at night. and the fact that students feel this way and it's accurate they feel that way in 2015 speaks to the climate that has persisted
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at mizzou since 1950. so the first step is a reflection upon the decision of why we chose this person and how do we do better? >> james, we just mentioned those football players on the team who threatened to not take the field saturday, to not practice until the university president was gone. "the washington post" writing, "the team's protest threatens immediate economic damage to the university." this is perhaps the biggest issue at play. football players put major money on the line here. does this potentially change the game for a campus, activism nationwide as a result? >> i thick it does change the game in a couple of different ways to. liz brown's point, it's very important for us to understand what is going on with universities choosing former software executives or folks from the corporate world to run academic institutions and what some pitfalls are. it speaks to what you spoke to about the value and power of
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collective organizing here. we want to praise the student athletes that are there, but also all the other students and faculty and graduate students who worked together to apply pressure on the system. it's a watershed moment in the sense it proves the power of the people, the power of collective organization and strategic organization. we have to ask the tough questions. you'll notice that the issue around faculty keeps coming up. when we look at these institutions with 2% black faculty, we have at least 8% of the student body being that way. you think about the history they are telling about how this institution was founded prior to the abolition of slavery. that is the narrative of institutions of higher earning across this nation. they are speaking to national issues relevant to people of color. that's why it's a powerful moment to see student athletes put pressure on the system in ways we didn't have power for a long time.
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i can imagine how other anti-'tis and organizations and coaches are looking at this situation. we have to acknowledge the a.d. here and coach here, as well as president for stepping down, leadership is understanding the moment is now to make way for change and progress. >> the athletic director spoke a short time ago. >> we do everything we can to teach them, to educate them. the end of the day, we are teachers, we are educators and we do everything we can to do that. we do everything to do that we can to make sure they're leader. they decided to be leaders in this issue. to save a life of a fellow student athlete. >> james, you mentioned it there. you've got to think college presidents and coaches are watching what happened with a bit of a worried eye. what happens next time there is a college football team
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somewhere in this country upset over how things are are going on campus and they say, you know what? we're done. we are not playing any more or practicing any more. >> that is a critical question. obviously, obviously, it was the entire machinery. there are small economies around these games that have to do with tv, merchandise, vending, tailgating. this is an economic challenge for institutions. it's not like student athletes are -- this is an incredible moment where the activism of jonathan butler transcended the particular moment. people will pay attention for sure. >> liz, very few people know missouri like you know missouri. "new york times" wrote something that caught our attention. the campus was set on edge after mr. brown, an unarmed black teenager was fatally shot in ferguson about 110 miles from columbia.
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many a number of the black students come from ferguson, as we understand it. what we saw happen there, how much of that was shaped by what we saw in ferguson? >> there actually is a ferguson effect. what happened in ferguson in 2014 inspired these students, inspired students all across the country to engage in activism. it demonstrated to them that we can, they can make a difference, and quite fangly, it has to be them that engage themselves fully. the ferguson effect is one that inspires young people to engage in fearless activism. >> lizz brown, james peterson. i enjoyed our conversation. thank you. >> thank you. two americans have been killed at a police training center in jordan. was he a disgruntled officer or is there more to our story? also, ben carson's
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credibility and the media microscope. the republican front-runner says the media has been very unfair to him. have we? >> congress wants to know why high school football players are dying on the field. legislation aimed at preventing tragedies. uld put tvs anywhere without looking at cable wires and boxes in every room. how are they always one step ahead of us? well, because their technology is far superior. or because they have someone on the inside. is that right, gil? sir, i would never... he's with them! he's wearing a wire. take off his shirt! take off his shirt! oh! ah! alright, i'm putting you in charge of the holiday party. (vo) get rid of cable and upgrade to directv. call 1-800-directv. hey! how are you?g? where are we watching the game? you'll see. i think my boys have a shot this year. yeah, especially with this new offense we're running... i mean, our running back is a beast. once he hits the hole and breaks through the secondary, oh he's gone. and our linebackers and dbs dish out punishment,
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developing news overseas. six people working for the state department were shot and killed in jordan. they were gunned down at the u.s.-funded training center near the capital of ahman. at this point it looks like the gunman was a disgruntled former police officer. jim miklazewski joins me now. what's the latest here? >> state department says those four americans, two killed, two wounded in that shooting spree at that international police training center were assigned there as trainers and monitors by the state department to train police officers throughout the middle east region. according to the officials, the lone gunman suddenly opened fire early today in a facility there at the training center. what's not here though, and investigators are looking hard at, is did this shooter, a
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former jordanian police officer, did he intentionally aim and target the americans? that might indicate some connection or sympathies to a militant or terrorist group. or because he was reportedly fired, did he fire out of anger, out of some grievance he felt he had against the police center in that's all part of the ongoing investigation. u.s. officials say that the training, however, the commitment by the u.s. state department will remain. they emphasize there were no u.s. military at this facility. >> jim miklazewski for us at the pentagon, thank you. >> you bet. president obama today meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. it was their first face-to-face visit in more than a year. there's been a good deal of strain on that already-chilly relationship, especially since
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netanyahu spoke with congress at march. today they managed a more cordial tone. >> it's no secret the prime minister and i have had a strong disagreement on this narrow issue, but we don't have a disagreement on the need to making sure iran does not get a nuclear weapon. >> i don't think anyone should doubt israel's determination to defend itself against terror and destruction. neither should anyone doubt israel's willingness to make peace with any of its neighbors that generally want to achieve peace. >> steve clemens is washington editor at large with the "atlantic" and a msnbc contributor. looks like they are coming to a more amicable phase in their relationship. how did today's meeting strike you? >> they are very good actors. they overcame their pettiness and performed in a way many wanted them to. an ad the head of the world
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jewish congress put out today calling on them both to move beyond the pettiness before and get back to discussing a two-state solution and more constructive relationship. that seems to have been what they were trying to do today. >> you mentioned that two-state solution. they talked about finding peace with the palestinians. this is what he said. take a listen. >> i want to make it clear that we have not given up our hope for peace. we will never give up our hope for peace. i remain committed to a vision of peace for two states for two people, a demilitarized palestinian state and recognized jewish state. >> any chance that's happening while president obama is in office? >> his own advisors waved the white flag and said they give up. they need to keep the place holder there. we are not walking away from israel's security and the both of them talked about a ten-year security plan that would up u.s.
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assistance to israeli security. the quid pro quo is israel keeps open the possibility of a negotiated two-state solution with the palestinians. right now the palestinians have a terrible leadership deficit. all sorts of turn we see the violence, but we don't see faith in the leadership within palestine. that needs to be resolved before they can really move forward. we are buying time with what happened today. that's better than the alternative. >> i want to talk about the russian plane downed in egypt at this point. a 90% chance it was a bomb. isis claimed responsibility several times. if this does turn out to be what many suspected what does that say about airport security overseas? what does that say about the strength and reach of isis now? >> it says very scary things. it broadens the battlefield. isis has gone from this operation that was being rolled back in the minds and perspectives of many to an
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affiliate having the ability and complexity to be able to place a bomb. while the united states has lots of layered security, that isn't dependent on one thin veil across everything. you have layered security around much of the world that is not the case. the human beings that we need to trust sometimes can be cooperated or intimidated or hijacked by other interests. that may have happened. i think what this does is changes the game dramatically and will ratchet up the fear many have about travel, not only abroad but here in the united states. it takes it out of the iraq/syria conflict and says we have a real global challenge. >> steve clemens, thank you, sir. michele bachmann's urgent mowsage for christians and jews around the world. we'll explain. >> ben carson vetted. has the gop contender been irfairly scrutinized by big mad media? bad
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a 6-year-old boy who should have been in his first grade classroom today was instead laid to rest. jeremy died when city marshals opened fire into his father's car in louisiana last week. he was shot five times. today his family said good-bye to him at his funeral. jeremy's father who was shot could not go because he is still in a hospital bed. right now those two city marshamarsha marshals are in jail. they face second degree murder charges. investigators say the pair, not talking at this point, and there is no clear reason why they started shooting. charles hadlock is live at the sheriff's office with new information about moments right before the shooting, i understand. what can you tell us? >> there are so many layers to the story. i'll begin with the latest one.
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the judge in this case william bennett has just placed a gag order on everyone involved in this case. we are not likely to hear any more details about what happened that night until this case goes to court. here's the key. one of the officers involved in this norris greenhouse jr is the son of a prominent assistant district attorney in the building here behind me. the district attorney will likely recuse himself from this case. it will be referred to the state's attorney general. the attorney general is up for re-election in a few weeks. he will probably be occupied along with his office, so this case could be delayed even more. other thing happening today is the bond hearing this morning where the two men were placed under $1 million bond each. the media was not allowed into the bond hearing. it was held at the jail this morning.
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attending that hearing though was the attorney for christopher fuh, the man shot and wounded, his son killed hit by five bullets. the attorney for this says he hasn't seen the video either, but it was discussed at this hearing. he believes when it is released, it will show that his client had his hands up at the time the bullets started flying. it's still not clear exactly why they were shot, what led to the shooting. the state lies say th-- the sta police say it's the most disturbing video they've seen. the public has not seen it. it will likely not be seen until it goes to court. >> charles hadlock for us in louisiana. thank you. as candidates gear up for tomorrow night's republican presidential debate, ben carson trying to fend off more scrutiny over reported discrepancies in his life's story. christian groups, some of
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push everyone forward. accelerating innovation. accelerating transformation. accelerating next. hewlett packard enterprise. we turn to politics now. is it fair game or time to move on? on the eve of the next republican debate, dr. ben carson is facing new criticism over his version of multiple stories about his past. among the anecdotes under scrutiny, claims he tried to stab a boy and led a violent past before religious transformation. he was offered a full scholarship to west point. protected white classmates during a riot when mlk jr was shot. was called the most honest student by a yale professor when
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she presented the class with a test hoax. he says the media is to blame. >> i have always said that i expect to be vetted, but being vetted and what is going on with me, you said this 30 years ago, you said this 20 years ago, this didn't exist, i just, i have not seen that with anyone else. if you can show me where that's happened with someone else, i will take that statement back. >> the head of the republican party is coming to his defense. >> i would imagine some questions are appropriate, but i do believe that this is a totally crazy obsession over incredible detail from 30 and 40 years ago. >> if ben carson has woven stories like the west point story into the fabric of his
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interesting and inspiring life story, doesn't it make it fair game for questions? >> sure. people ask the question and he answered it. >> jonathan alter has written a slew of books. beth, is it fair game or is it time to move on? >> it's probably a little bit of both. it's fair game. look, we are going to waste a lot of time talking about who got vetted more carefully or under more scrutiny than who among all the many candidates that have run for president over the past many years. running for president is an important thing you're doing. it's the most important job one can hold. these candidates should expect to be vetted at every level of their life, personal life and professional life. it goes with the territory. ben carson is the front-runner. he should expect this. >> you've covered a lot of these. not to make you sound 80 or 90.
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>> thanks a lot. >> but do you think the level of scrutiny he's gotten is any different from a clinton, a bush, even a reagan? >> no. it's preposterous to say thought is. you can go back and look on clips of any of these guys. they all get tested at a certain point to see whether what they've been saying squares with what reporters find about their past. there is no difference. in some ways it's less. look at somebody like barack obama. there were hundreds of stories about his relationship with reverend jeremiah wright. hundreds of them. >> that's just in two newspapers. that doesn't include all the other stories and other newspapers and television stations. in some ways, carson is getting off easy right now. my problem is that it's a little bit of a lazy-minded way of
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doing reporting. >> how so? >> it's just so easy to go, let's compare what he said in this book to what other people say. there's a lot more important things that they should be doing in addition to vetting his past. for instance, when he says the pyramids weren't for the pharaohs, they were to hold grain. that raises a whole series of questions that need to be pursued about the way he views global history. does he believe that the dinosaurs were only a couple thousand years ago like some other republicans have in recent years? what are the implications of that? having somebody who doesn't believe in science. >> do you think carson gets asked about that tomorrow night? >> he should be. he should be asked more those kinds of questions that go to his world view rather than squaring up with his past. >> there is this school of thought the more the media
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scrutinizes ben carson, the more it helps him with his base. he didn't seem to be overly concerned about the scrutiny friday. this is what he said friday. >> there is a desperation to find a way to finish me because they've been looking through everything. they've been talking to everybody i've known or seen. there's got to be a scandal. there's got to be someone he is having an affair with. they are getting desperate. next week it will be my kindergarten teacher who said i peed in my pants. it's ridiculous. my prediction is all you guys trying to pile on is actually going to help me because when i go out to these book signings, i see these thousands of people, they say don't let the media get you down. don't let them disturb you. please continue to fight for us. they understand that this is a witch-hunt. >> it should be noted that ben
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carson raised more than $3 million last week after the aforementioned witch-hunt. are these the kind of questions that help candidates like ben carson? >> it does. he's actually turned this into a whole different conversation. when you look at his book, that's his resume and it should be questions 100%. you can't look at his medical records what his successes are as a surgeon so you look at his biography. he put that out there. that's fair to look at. the nuances, questions, fine. ben carson is doing something smart politically. instead of being on the defense, he's going on the offense and it works with his supporters. what is going to be very interesting is tomorrow night's debate is supposed to be focused on the economy and other issues. will they get into this kind of thing fox business news has been
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criticizing other folks for doing. >> or will some of the other candidates get in? donald trump was on every sunday morning show yesterday. he wasted no time going after ben carson's record. >> that is what donald trump does. he doesn't have to talk about his policies. last thing ben carson or donald trump want you to talk about indepth are their policies. ben carson is doing it on the media donald trump does it against other candidates. he doesn't say anything substantial, but he just likes to punch back. that helps him with supporters. >> jonathan has a point. i'm reluctant to use the word lazy, but i do think this idea, okay, you said this 12 years ago. now you're saying this versus taking a look at some of his policies really do not seem to square with the lion's share of folks in this country. >> they're nuts, some of them. >> if you don't believe in evolution and you're a doctor, that is something to consider.
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>> exactly. >> before we move on, not to pile on, but this is the one thing that caught my attention. do we have this picture? this was a picture in his house. dr. ben carson and the messiah. i found that curious. >> at minimum, it begs a little of taste. it does tell you something about ben carson and gives you a window how he views himself. >> i was going to say, this is bad news for the republican party, bottom line. what it means is that carson who has a big lead now, he and trump, there is a 12, 13 point gap between them and the second tier. they are going to be in this for a long time. what establishment republicans are hoping for is that ben carson and donald trump will drop out and they can nominate marco rubio. that is not going to happen so fast. carson has small donors. he now has the press as his foil which is helpful with the base. he's going to be in this for
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quite a period of time. >> i want to show viewers at home, we pulled a poll from four years ago. mitt romney 28%, hermain cain, newt gingrich and ron paul. last forward. we've got a brand-new marist poll. there is ben carson, 24% rg, trump, rubio. it was clearly unsettled four years ago. what's different about the unsettling this time? >> money. when you look at the top four candidates this time and you look how much money they have and how long they can stay in, it's much different than hermain cain or newt gingrich. they hardly had anything. mitt romney was fine and stayed through. that is the major difference now. when you look at these candidates, ben carson, everyone says doesn't matter how do you
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in iowa. look at the last two folks that won iowa. mike huckabee and rick santorum. they couldn't raise a nickel until after they won. now ben carson has an operation he can take to new hampshire and to south carolina and start building on it. >> we should note mitt romney at no point was in single digits. he was in double digits from the beginning. >> yeah. isn't that funny? mitt romney was the candidate never loved but always ahead. this is a completely different situation now. we have these adorable, as jonathan said, front-runners who are not establishment folks which mitt romney was. they are going to be in for a while. no question about it. republicans have something to reckon with. >> beth, jonathan, susan, thank you for being with me on a monday. did the war on christmas start early this year? starbucks removing images of
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a former pastor in arizona claims starbucks is the latest combatant in the war on christmas. he is speaking out in an online video and social media about the holiday cups which are red with the starbucks' logo. >> do you realize starbucks wanted to take christ and christmas off their brand-new cups. >> more than 12 million people have watched that video. the ex-pastor wants like-minded patrons to order their coffees under the name merry christmas. so the baristas have to write it on the cups. starbucks said each year we aim to bring our customer an experience that inspires the spirit of the season. we will continue to embrace and welcome customers from all backgrounds and religions in our stores around the world. former congressman michele bachmann believes he is coming
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missouri football players saying they wouldn't play until their college president resigned. dallas cowboys' defensive end greg hardy still plays, despite disturbing recently published evidence photos of abuse suffered by his ex-girlfriend. hardy was suspended four games. he apologized. cowboys' owner jerry jones welcomed him back with open arms. my friend wendi nix on espn has a real problem to that. so do i. she took jones to tack and corporate sponsors who she says are endorsing domestic violence. >> jerry jones calls greg hardy a leader. on friday said his organization did not condone domestic violence. well guess what, jerry, you sure do. there's one effective solution and that's to let dollars vote. that means you, american airlines. that means you at&t and miller
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and my gum and it was uncomfortable. just a few dabs is clinically proven to seal out more food particles. super poligrip is part of my life now. to a tragic story and calls for change in america's favorite sport. the death of 17-year-old luke, football player at a kansas high school is putting a renewed spotlight how common these tragedies seem to have become. luke scored a touchdown in the middle of the third quarter tuesday. then ran to the sidelines and collapsed moments later. his father said the cause of death was a traumatic head injury that shut off blood flow to his brain. sadly, this is not the first death we've seen this high school football season. seven other teenage players have died after suffering injuries playing the sport. tire rel cameron broke his nut on a punt return. roger williams collapsed at practice. evan murray suffered a lacerated
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spleen. others died from head trauma. cameron matthews told teammates he felt dizzy, then suffered a seizure. congress is pushing for a study to examine the causes of football-related deaths and produce recommendations for how to prevent them. in the meantime, many are questioning whether the sport is even safe for high schoolers to play any more. i'm joined with capitol hill correspondent luke russert and practicing physician and professor at louisiana state health sciences center. dr. hebert, i'll get to you in a moment. >> it's a bipartisan bill introduced by three members. what it seeks to do is directs the centers for disease control as well as the president's council on fitness to examine what are really the cause of
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these life-altering and sometimes life-ending injuries that have become so prevalent this year in high school football? remember, there has been death in high school football for decades. however, the questions are now arising from people, why is it that after years of medical advancements we have not seen a decline in the deaths related to high school football? that's what this bill seeks to do. i was told it's going to go through the committee process at some point. they hope to have feasible legislation by next year. it is a bipartisan initiative getting pull here on capitol hill. not only are a lot of concerned parents, but there are so many people now more readily exposed to these types of incidents because of the reach of the news media. >> luke stand by for a moment. doctor, luke alluded to my next point here. here we are in 2015 and there have been so many medical advances. the most common causes for high
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school football deaths as we understand them are head, neck, spinal injuries, indirect causes include heat stroke, sudden cardiac arrest and pre-existing health condition. why have we not seen a significant decline in these numbers so far, dr. hebert? >> the interesting part is those rules we have to govern high school athletics have to be followed. as a past medical director of an entire state school district, we have seen some coaches decide they think it's more important to put a student on the field than to get a sports physical before they hit the field. then you have some small cities and small towns that actually don't have a practicing physician or certified ems at every football game. so we look at these types of injuries and we realize we've got to do more as far as legislation so that people will follow the rules, but also legislate so we can have better
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rules and more dialogue about the fact that these kids are out there dying. it's really just for nothing. >> i want to put the numbers on the screen to get folks at home a sense of where we are right now in terms of high school football player deaths. this is over the past 35 years. averages to about 12 deaths every year due indirectly and directly to football. we are on track to match the data over the last three decades. luke, from a feasibility standpoint, do you get the sense on the hill this is a bill that likely becomes law or is this one of those things that's likely to languish in committee? >> i think it will move forward, at least because from the people i've spoken to is if this bill does not get a fair chance, they at least want to have some hearing about the issue. we can imagine that hearing will get a lot of media attention. remember back in the early 1900s there were a lot of deaths in
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football. it was teddy roos shelt getting involved that changed the culture of football. allowed for the invention of the forward pass that created less deaths. there is precedence on capitol hill and in washington. i think what will be interesting to see though is can they move forward on this and not be so wrapped up in the concussion question, which seems to get a lot of pushback from powerful forces. it is squarely focused on high school death or at least someone getting an ekg so you don't have heart attacks on the field with kids with preconceived condition. these are nfl players, most of them you will recognize talking about whether would allow their children to follow in their footsteps. >> if i was a parent with a 10-year-old son, i don't know i would feel real good with the information that's been coming out saying, yeah, go play tackle
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football. >> if you had an 8-year-old kid now, would you tell him you want him to play football? >> i wouldn't, would you? >> nope. that's sad. i wouldn't. my whole life was football. i think the risk is worse than the reward. i really do. >> if i had a son, i would be real leary of him playing. the physical toll it could take. in all honesty, i would have a hard time throwing him there. >> brett favre, troy aikman, mike ditka. where is football in america 20 years from now? >> i know congressman rush very well.
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