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>> this will be life changing for those who want to the game. >> thank you for watching. i'm craig melvin. "hardball" starts right now. tell me another one, dr. carson. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. the presidential campaign heats up with trump on attack, carson on defense. outrageous issues of sandy hook and louisiana willing to elect a prior client of prostitute. dr. brian cranston shows us the life of hollywood's oscar-winning writer who beat the black list. i start with dr. ben carson who calls president obama a psycho
path, says the egyptian pyramids were grain elevators and prison makes you gay. he has other stories to tell. like the time he stabbed at someone by a knife and was stopped by the person's belt. he was offered a scholarship to west point. the time he protected white people during a racial riot. a professor gave him $10 for not complaining about an exam. >> i know you're jealous. >> i love life, period. howard, this is a big chance for you. many times your life you had to write the big story. what is the big story now on dr. ben -- the reason we are leading with him, he's leading the polls. he's at the top of the hill. he's number one. he's getting krscrutiny because that's what you get at the top. he is leading the republican side, believe it or not.
>> it is a contest between the world of politics, conservative republican politics and the media to decide who gets to control the story of the life of a candidate. and on what terms. we are going through the looking glass here where republican candidates, including donald trump and ben carson and others are saying, we are who we tell you we are, and that's our story. that's our narrative. >> that's my story and i'm sticking to it. >> and by the way, do not trust the media of any kind. this has been 20 or 30 years in the making. this goes back to when bill clinton was faced with a tough situation in his personal life when he was running for president. james carville, his master strategist put together a list showing the evil right wing conspiracy of the right wing media. they attacked the media to discredit the media so the clintons could have breathing space. that is happening on a much grander scale, only the republicans and conservatives doing it. at a time when the media is
fractured. >> how did the media go so far left? >> it's not that far left. >> it's the same damn media that went after clinton. >> it's the same media. candidates are saying through social media, their direct contact with voters, we are going to add why it out journalism as it had been understand and control our other story. the role of the press is out the window. >> we all remember this, we're grown-ups when hillary clinton went on the "today" show. i'm sure sid blumenthal was nearby. there wasn't a relationship that was inappropriate, as the president ultimately admitted. none of that was true. it was all a concoction of the vast right wing conspiracy. now that's applied also to the media. up in new hampshire, new hampshire primary 1992, he walked door-to-door, we followed him carrying a dvd he was going to hand out to people to get the
real story. it worked. >> yes. does dr. carson have his own dvd to tell his story? >> effectively, he does. he does it through books. this is the person who sort of suspended his campaign to sell books and had us wondering are you really wondering for president or trying into crease speaking fees? what is so incredibly sad about this whole thing is that dr. carson, before he ran for president, is horatio alger. >> wasn't that good enough? >> that's my point. his mother was married at 13. finds out her husband has a second family she raises her two sons by herself in detroit. one son goes to yale, goes to the university of michigan for medical school, he becomes the head of pediatric neurology at
johns hopkins and then all of a sudden he's a democrat at one point in time. an independent for many years because he was disgusted by the media, allegedly, on their treatment of bill clinton. then he becomes -- >> he thought the press was unfair to bill clinton. >> during the whole monica lewinsky scandal, and congress. he became an independent for many years. he did not become a republican again until 2013 when he goes and speaks at the national prayer breakfast. says horrible things about president obama and conservatives wake up and say we love you. you're the right kind of black man. if you are going to run for president, you've got to play with the big boys. if you are number one or two in the polls, how could he not expect this? >> you think the story to sell himself to the evangelical right is real? >> the story is real. i cannot imagine anyone would lie about wanting to hit their mother with a hammer. why would anyone make that up?
because it's either true or you're insane. >> some say he has a pathological disease. >> he might. >> some version of the story is true as some version of all our stories is true. i can't tell you what my first resume said, but it mate hive been fudged a little bit. >> this is dangerous territory. speak for yourself. >> you are the most honest man i know. this is the challenge. any candidate sells the american people a version of themselves. it is our job to fact check that version. >> absolutely. >> it is the right of the american people to choose whether they care what we say is exactly what we said we said. >> he should be prepared to deal with it. >> republicans are doing exactly what they need to say. >> what about his theories of the universe. you go to prison, you become gay. he is a doctor. president obama is a psychopath.
he has certain credentials. when he says somebody is a nut, that means something. becoming gay in prison, i don't know what that's from, or experience he heard about. what about the pyramids? they are tombs for the pharaohs. stop coming up with another theory, buddy. >> the other trend happening here is that candidates no longer even have an eye on voters in other worlds besides the one they inhabit. ben carson is speaking to the people who support him. >> at the prayer breakfast. >> the evangelicals in iowa. people who come to him with a predisposition to support him based on faith and his manner. they want this story. he doesn't care about independent skeptical agnostic, science-based voters down the road. he doesn't. that's true all along in american politics. people are speaking to their niches and not speaking to the whole. especially on the republican side in a field with so many
candidates. >> the fact he's african-american, the fact we have an african-american president, interesting immigrant background as well from his one parent. is this a republican perfection here? here is how we show them? we're not racist. which just want a different story. what is the connection here ethnically between the president and president wanna be here? >> the only connection is that they are both black men who are always subjected to greater scrutiny for everything that you do. we say if you are going to commit, do anything improper, if you're black, they are going to look it up and find it. >> let's listen to all the scrutiny putting beat on ben carson. late friday he said the press and his critics were desperate to tarnish him. >> there is a desperation on behalf of some to try to find a way to punish me because they
have been looking through everything. they have been talking to of i've ever known or ever seen. there's got to be a scandal. there's got to be some nurse he's having an affair with. they are getting desperate. so next week it will be my kindergarten teacher who said i peed in my pants. >> in an interview with chris jansing over the weekend, carson said he is the most scrutinized candidate in history. >> vetting is a normal part of the process. did you not expect this? >> i have always said i expect to be vetted, but being vetted and what is going on with me, you said this 30 years ago, you said this 20 years ago, this didn't exist, i just have not seen that with anyone else. if you can show me where that's happened with someone else, i will take that statement back. >> you don't think bill clinton
or the president with his birth certificate. >> no, not like this. not even close. >> oh, my god. >> he describes his violent past saying, i had what i only can call a label a pathological temper, a disease. this sickness controlled me, making me totally irrational. over the weekend donald trump went after carson as damaged goods. he gave him the word "disease." here is trump using it. >> he said he has a pathological disease. >> you don't believe him? >> if you have a pathological disease, that is a problem. when you write in a book you have pathological disease, that is not cured. >> it's a serious statement when you say you have pathological disease. as i understand it, you can't cure it. he said he has pathological disease in the book. when you have pathological disease, that is a serious problem. that is not something kurd. that is something you have to live with. that is a serious thing to have
to live with. >> he's the doctor. there is no such thing as helping anyone with a problem of pathology. it's hopeless. donald trump just said that. >> the notion that ben carson is receiving harder scrutiny than other candidates is ridiculous. not true. second continuing here, donald trump has a choice to make heading into the debate tomorrow night. does he really focus as dr. trump on dr. carson? does he go after him and tear him down and try to tear him down? if he does, that leaves room for the other candidates. i think he is not able to resist. they are going to be standing right next to each other tomorrow night. >> can i add though, the fact that people have been unable to confirm the anger problem, unable to confirm the story about the belt, it doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen. he should have just been prepared to be able to explain this. >> could have footnoted it. >> absolutely. in 2008, barack obama was running away from people scared
of him as being the angry black man. we have ben carson who is like, that's who i am. >> we've written books. you write a book, you have months, maybe years as the one i'm working on now and plenty of time to look at it in print before it gets published. a lot of time to go over it. you make these claims, you better damn well know they are true are. maybe i can't subassistant them right away. they better be true, not sort of true. >> it doesn't matter until you are the front-runner. what is reading santorum's book. i said, wait, this can't be right, but who cares? he's not the front-runner. >> what did you find? >> he made up a person in order to play the role of the straw man. i said this can't be a real person. maybe it's parts of other people. >> what's interesting here is that ben carson doesn't even care if you think whether he made it up or not.
he doesn't accept the basic premises of what i would regard as rational discussion and fact checking in journalism and life. he is saying this is the story. you have an evil motive in even asking me these questions. >> is that play acting? i talk fast. everybody knows that. he talks slow. for better or worse. it seems to be working for him. the only time he speeds up from 33 1/3 to 78 or 45 even is when he was talking about this stuff. you noticed his arms moving? this is the first time he's shown a human response. >> we're under his skin. four out of five dentists agree trident it better for you. >> they were wearing a democratic uniform. >> that's right. carson is selling a message. it's a message of belief and this evangelical thing, message of wherive a he come from.
it's a great message. maybe it's not true. he doesn't expect his voters will care that much. >> that is one reason it's good to vote for people with a public record in public office. you've got a public record. we can talk about their voting record, how well they were doing during hurricanes. you don't get into this ether. thank you. this is a great segment. >> we'll have full coverage of tomorrow night's republican debate right here on msnbc. join me at 7:00 eastern and after the debate, we love doing these at 11:00 eastern for two hours of reaction, analysis, plus exciting guests including, i think we made her. former republican presidential candidate michele bachmann. she is coming to "hardball." she is a good sport, i guess. we'll see if she is smart about that. ted cruz no stranger to nastiness. a new campaign ad from his superer pac has leaders in connecticut feeling down-right
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welcome back to "hardball." a new ad from a pro ted cruz super pac has drawn angry responses from connecticut's two u.s. senators. that's because the ad which was meant as an attack ad on marco rubio plays on the massacre at sandy hook. >> marco rubio looks good on tv. ted cruz for president. ted cruz walks tall for what we believe.
standing up, often standing alone. ted cruz makes things happen. after sandy hook, ted cruz stopped obama's new push for gun control laws. >> in response, the new ted cruz makes me want to throw up. i'm pretty sure that's a feeling shared by many who lived through the horror of sandy hook. middle of the road, common sense voters won't be impressed by a campaign whose pitch to voters is portraying the candidate as the one senator who took on the parents of sandy hook in the wake of the most horrific mass shooting of our lifetime. we are lucky to have senator richard blumenthal tonight. blocking gun violence after the new town tragedy is no basis to brag. >> senator, thank you. give us the full picture of sandy hook, the legacy of that tragedy in your state, especially and why this ad is
offensive? >> why this ad is so offensive, it shows a basic lack of humanity. i was there when those familyie with their 20 children and six educators would not be coming home. i was there when the president came to comfort them and what this reflects is a lack of humanity and compassion. the president is a leader. i call on senator cruz to disavow this ad. it isn't his ad. it's his pac's ad. he can disavow it. i think that in the interest of really restoring basic credibility and trust, he should
do that. >> even though the cruz campaign is legally barred from coordinating with the super pac, cruz has expressed system lan se similar sentiments in the past. >> president obama and harry reid led an assault, not on going after violent criminals which they should have done, but instead going after the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens. i led the fight to protect the second amendment and we defeated president obama's efforts to undermine our rights. >> there you have it, a mirror manl of what's in the pac ad. in 2013, he accused president obama to advance his own political agenda. >> i think he had a political agenda which was to restrict the second amendment right to bear arms of law-abiding citizens. they took advantage of that horrible, tragic shooting to push that agenda. they didn't focus on solving the
problem. >> i never understood how somebody could say gun safety is a political objective. it's a policy objective. it doesn't score you any points. you do it because you believe in it. >> but ted cruz made this a prominent political issue in his campaign for months now. back in april i wrote the story, his own campaign out of super pac was putting out a fund-raising e-mail saying he was much better on gun control than rand paul and marco rubio. gun rights. why? because of newtown. i called on his pea peopople. marco rubio and rand paul did virtually nothing. this is a talking point he developed to get the gun rights voice, the excessive gun rights vote over rand paul and marco rubio, two people in the senate lane competing against him. >> senator, you don't want to go
after a colleague personally, but this fits to me the image i've gotten of ted cruz. he calls his party leader mitch mcconnell a liar. he seems to be always dumping on the senate itself, bringing it to a halt, shutting down the government, using unbelievable language. sometimes i think he thinks that president obama is fidel castro. he speaks upon his political opponents as the enemy in the worst sense. >> we can disagree about policy and we can take different positions, but this kind of ad reflects a lack of humanity that i think is abhorrent to many of us. that's why i think he can still disavow the ad since it is from his super pac, but profoundly, and unmistakably to play on the newtown shootings is a disservice to him and many will share that point of view. i'll tell you something, chris, no matter which way my
colleagues voted on that common sense package of measures, remember it was background checks, a band on illegal trafficking, they all felt deeply, and they met with those families. and felt the horror and unspeakable, unimaginable tragedy of a parent learning at the end of the day his child was not coming home. i think it will resonate in a very bad way. >> usually they treat victims and their families as offbase politically and leave them alone. thank you, senator richard blumenthal. up next, one of the most in-your-face political ads. wait till you see this. this is "hardball" the place for politics. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought.
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race. david vitter is campaigning for the job. his past use of an infamous d.c. prostitution ring is being used by his opponent. >> the choice of governor couldn't be more clear. john bell edwards who answered our country's call and served as a ranger in the 82nd airborne division. or david vitter, who answered a prostitute's call minutes after he skipped a vote honoring 28 soldiers who gave their lives for our freedom. david vitter chose prostitutes over. >> today when the democratic contenders show john bell edwards ahead of the poll, vitters launched his own ad. >> 15 years ago i found forgiveness and love. i learned our falls aren't what define us, but rather how we get up, accept responsibility and
earn redemption. now louisiana has fallen on hard times. a budget crisis, low wages, failing schools. you know me, i'm a fighter. as your governor, i'll get up every day to fight for you. >> i got 100 questions about this race. vitter and edwards will duke it out in two televised debates before the run-up on saturday november 21st. we are joined by the "hardball" battle tonight. thank you very much. i want to start very much with rebecca. what is weird about this is this guy customized, what's the term? went to hookers in d.c., was on a madam's list and in louisiana, as well. in new york, we had a governor that had one incident of being involved in this.
he was gone within hours. how is louisiana able to accept all this as part of the deal? >> you've got to think about it this way. there are a couple of things going on here and a couple of instances of karma coming home to roost. you've got campaign karma. in the primary, he went after his opponents calling them used car salesmen. they did blistering spots. now his very first ad of general election season, and boy is he getting it. he's someone who thought this was behind him. seven, eight years ago, you think he's gotten past it. now when you least expect it, it's coming back to roost. >> being a john as they call their customers, it's hard to shake it off because it all happened while you were senator. it wasn't a youthful indiscretion. that poor wife had to stand by him. for another wrinkle in this, why give up a life chance to be a senator to going back to being governor of louisiana? he wants to be huey long? >> that is a separate question.
>> maybe it's the same question. >> he is surviving this because he is a republican and it's a republican state. it is a state very, very unlikely to elect a democrat to the united states senate or to be the governor unless the republican is just a catastrophic disaster. he may meet the threshold of being catastrophic disaster. he's 10, 12 points behind in the polls. he didn't do well in the first round of voting. he only got 23% of the vote. >> surprised everybody. >> the state has to ratify this. voters have to write in his name. i'm putting him into new office. i think this is the man to run this state, affirmatively. >> he wants the job. he wants to be executive of the state. he wants to be in charge of the state. that's why he is running. he is not doing particularly well in the polls. one of the questions is why if you are doing well in the polls as edwards is, why do you come
and do an ad like this right now? >> i believe this wouldn't work in pennsylvania and a lot of states. louisiana is unique. new york isn't exactly a puritan state, but they dumped spitser. >> an element of spitzer because he was compromised. he is the governor -- >> wouldn't a senator be compromised in d.c.? >> not the same way as a governor who overseas the law enforcement apparatus of the state. >> why do this if you are ahead? you want to make sure when the guy is down, stay there. why want this job? louisiana has one of the most powerful governorships in the country. there is a lot of power and influence with the potential to move a lot of jobs around. >> plenty of senators leave the halls of congress to be an executive. >> okay.
so he wins. he becomes the republican governor of louisiana. can't the democrats run on that all around the country? >> let's not assume he wins, for one thing. i think what this is teaching us is never assume the obvious when it comes to vitter. seven, eight years ago he was supposed to be down for the count. he survives. this year he is supposed to be past this. >> to me it is a trick of a pollster. some pollster probably told him like they did with ted kennedy because of the tragedy at chappaquidick. he can run against jimmy carter. he's weak. it's the last 3%. it's the difference between 48% and 51%. in the end they go, i don't know. this thing isn't going to go away. who told him it would? >> it's not going to go away. >> he is on a list in washington, a list in louisiana, all over the place.
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we can't afford you. >> well, how much did you pay for the script of that? "bad men of tomb stone?" >> $1,200. >> all right. i'll write your movie for $1,200 then. >> and you don't want your name on it? >> no. we don't want my name on it. >> we're back. that was bryan cranston, of k s course with john goodman for the new film "trumbo." it's the true story of a top hollywood writer whose
membership in the communist party lands him in the crosshairs of the house unamerican activity committee. jailed for contempt in congress and banned from gainful employment, he works under assumed names to keep his livelihood. he pens two academy-award winning screen plays. here is a clip of cranstons with trumbo and heada hopper played by helen mirren. >> i'm buying. usual. same again with. >> yes, ms. hopper. >> oh, come on. i hear the rumors. show me you're still in the game, fighting the good fight. rub my face in it. whisper a movie you've written in secret. maybe i've even heard of it.
>> maybe you have. >> i'm joined by emmy and tony-award winning actor bryan cranston andaward-winning actor bryan cranston as well as the director of trumbo, jay roach. bryan, thank you so much for coming. i saw you as lyndon johnson. this is a spectacular performance. >> thanks. >> and i really think going back into the history is fascinating but what's more fascinating to me, besides even the blacklist and the red scare and all that, was human survival. a guy who was faced with his politics being thrown in his face and yet saying i've got to provide for this family of mine and finding a way to do it. it was very american that way. >> it was. >> ironically. >> one of trumbo's statements is defense is like a cornerstone of american democracy, without dissent our country wouldn't have been formed. so there's no trying to be fearful about dissent or even opinions that may differ from your own. and that's the whole theme of
trumbo, is not to use someone else's opinion and create sort of an not mi out of them but just to embrace that we as americans have a variety. >> you produced some great stuff. "game change." that was a hell of a thing. and "recount." when you have a phony name, a front name like richard rich or the other guy with the irish name. both times the academy said we're just going to go with the best stuff. they get beyond the politics by making it blind. >> they didn't know who had written them. >> "roman holiday" is one of the great movies. >> awed i. hepburn, her first film. she's adorable. gregory peck. and it's a sweet fairy tale of a movie. and he wins an academy award for, it can't claim it. evidently the house un-american activities committee decides this man who writes such a, you know, beautiful fairy tale kind of movie and movies like
"spartacus" and "30 seconds over tokyo," a war film -- >> you're both in this business, you're both great artists. did you ever think -- they were communists, these guys. how did it influence their writing? did it ever get into the little guy gets the big guy? but that's very american too. bryan. >> i think you will see. you will see -- >> "spartacus." the great example of the slave guy being a better man than these elite romans. >> exactly. and the fact that by sticking together as a group great things can happen. >> i'm spartacus. >> right. >> tony curtis. by the way, my kids still love that conversation between him and lawrence olivier. all the double entendre. >> nails versus -- >> that was a real giggle. >> but that's one of the great things about those guys, they were funny too. they were deadly serious but they also had great wit, which helped expose the lunacy of the blacklist. >> let me ask you, what are you doing now? now that we've got you here.
>> well, we just -- >> because i know you've got a great answer. >> jay and i just finished doing the hbo version of the play "all the way" that i did on broadway. >> about lbj. >> about lbj. >> and what's so great is before the vietnam war made everybody get mad at him this amazing man was able to take the moment of the kennedy assassination and produce probably the six months greatest grofrns we've had in decades. what he did with civil rights and medicare and all that other stuff. >> yeah. maybe a century of political power. his political acumen was unbelievable. fdr and perhaps the founding fathers. but he was right up there. what he was able to accomplish. but knowing his political stance and where he was at that time, six months after the -- after the assassination, he knew he had a window of opportunity to be able to push through the civil rights act of 1964. he knew it would close if he didn't get in there. >> just like lincoln. >> yeah. >> just like lincoln trying to
get the outlawing of slavery. >> yeah. it was a similar opportunity he saw -- >> like spielberg's movie. >> there's some overlaps. and spielberg is one of the producers on "all the way." it was an incredible time when he could harness this rare moment of unity in the country, but he had to take on the south, the people who helped him early on. >> and even before that and this is going to be a big fight with the kennedy people, he knew he had to fly back from dallas with jack kennedy's body. there's no way in the world he could have gone back without it. because then he would have looked like an interloper, right? >> yeah. it was aing about decision -- >> had to fight the kennedy people on that. >> before he started he had to call bobby and get bobby's permission to -- or approval of being sworn in on the tarmac before he flew back. >> you know, you read about jack kennedy when he finally won in 1960, i'm working on that now, and when johnson became -- something happens to a person. a better president. they really become president. >> they really take on the mantle of that responsibility.
>> well, congratulations on this book. this movie. dalton trumbo. i've done this on television before, i gave great credit, i hope enough, to kirk douglas for ending the blacklist. we had a special segment on that one time, when he put his name on that -- right up there on the screen and said dalton trumbo wrote "spartacus." >> that kind of broke the spell, right? it broke the spell, threw the water on the wicked witch. that's that shot of helen mirren at the end. >> i love what the movie's saying, i've got this movie called -- thank you so much, bryan cranston. and jay roach. love your stuff. "trumbo" is in theaters now. "hardball" back after this. compared to the alternatives. push! i am pushing! sfx: pants ripping how you doing eddie? almost there. small steps. at axa, we'll help you take the next steps, with more confidence. for advice, retirement and insurance, talk to axa today.
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let me close tonight with a game we played as kids, and i bet you played it too. king of the hill. it was simple, basic, perhaps even primordial. all you need is a mound of dirt. that and a competitive streak and everyone ready to play. the goal is to get up on that mound of dirt and stay there as long as you can. that means grabbing the person who's up there and pulling them down off that hill. it's fun in a rough sort of way, especially a nice fall day like we've been having here lately. who's unusual is to see republicans playing it. first there was trump up there as king of the hill, and then after weeks of the other candidates pulling on him and trying to shove him they finally nudged him down. up ran dr. carson, where he now stands all alone at the top of the polls. all alone at the top of the hill. but now he says he doesn't like
this game, doesn't like the skepticism about those stories he tells about the pyramids being secret grain elevators. not the tombs for the pharaohs. and we and the egyptologists always thought they were. that people become gay from going to prison. that the president, and this is a doctor's opinion, is a psychopath. et cetera, et cetera. so you can see, doctor, why so many people are now asking for a second opinion. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> tell me how there is equivalence there. tell me somebody, please. >> carson cracks, and republicans attack. >> we're responsible for the personal stories we tell about our lives. >> i never hit my mother with a hammer, and i never stabbed anybody. zplu don't put grain in a pyramid because it's all solid. >> tonight, separating the fair from the foul in the ben carson feeding frenzy. plus --