tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC November 9, 2015 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
bill, let me know because you did get that bestiality done. tomorrow night's republican debate is at 9:00 eastern. this show will also be live at 9:00 eastern. if you don't have an appetite for watching the republicans fight it out, come here. we will be here live. after the debate is over at 11:00 there will, of course, be live msnbc recap, a live special edition of "hard ball" which is the best post debate recap anywhere on television. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> listen, i missed your big forum friday night. and i've got -- i want you to hear my excuse, though. you tell me at the end whether you accept this excuse. let me say at the beginning i belief all of the praise i've heard of it. so let's get that settled right there. so i missed it because i was in east africa seven hours ahead in
the time zone, hiding under, you know, my malaria mosquito nets and all that stuff, semi successfully sleeping with no television within, i don't know, ten miles of me. so is that okay? >> absolved. absolutely. you don't even have to watch reruns. don't worry, my friend. >> i'm going to do that tonight. look, in the middle of tonight i'm jet lookinged, i will be white wide awake from 3:00 a.m. onward onward. >> i will send you time codes from the transcripts. just watch the highlights. welcome back. >> thank you. well, on the eve, on the eve of the next republican presidential debate jeb bush has revealed to us under exactly what circumstances he would kill a baby. let's see what that does to his poll numbers. welcome to the jet lagged edition of "the last word."
>> i do not remember this level of scrutiny for one president barack obama when he was running. in fact, i remember just the opposite. my prediction is that all of you guys trying to pile on is actually going to help me. >> he doesn't know anything about policy. in his biography he's lying. and the press has been towering for months. >> i still can't get over the pyramids. >> the pyramids. >> jeb bush was in new hampshire last week and he did an interview with the huffington post where they asked him if he would kill hitler as a baby. >> hell yeah, i would. no, look, you got to -- you got to -- got to step up, man. that would be key. >> so you write that my book is a no facts zone. let's talk about the facts. >> i'm saying now that you've got it wrong, it would not be first time you've got something
wrong. it's a memo that you have never seen. it's a memo that you didn't even ask to try to see from the reagan library until after the book was in print. >> and you are a hack. >> their first face-to-face encounter in more than a year. >> the security of israel is one of my top foreign policy priorities. i want to thank you for this opportunity to strengthen our friendship. >> two men who have a notoriously, fame "open house"ly terrible relationship. >> love will bring us together. >> jonathan allen is here, anne gearan. jonathan allen, in the week that i was aware apparently ben carson's resume has had adjustments and footnotes and asterisks added to it. the republican candidates going after him about it. let's listen to what donald trump said tonight in chicago about this.
>> your poll numbers go up. i never saw anything like it. this is the only election in history where you're better off if you stab somebody. what are we coming to? >> he didn't get a big reaction from the audience on that. the conventional wisdom before i left the country was you can't really attack ben carson. he's too nice a guy. that seems to have disappeared. >> i think they're attacking him. i'm not sure it's working. i think there is truth. if you look at the polling ben carson remains immensely popular with the republican voters. we're seeing a process of elimination. as other candidates fall away, as people find fault with other candidates, ben carson sort of calm and nice guy demeanor has been helpful to him. if he continues to say things that are kay zi, that's not going to continue. >> let's take a look at this poll. we have a poll, ben carson at the top at 24%. donald trump, 23% paul ryan marco rubio, 12%.
ted cruz, 8%. sad jeb bush at 8%. on jeb bush, how weird does it get that he actually entertains the hypothetical question of would he kill baby hitler if he had gotten the chance to kill baby hitler? i mean, he doesn't know that you're allowed to say to questioners, that's a crazy question. next question. he actually gave us his answer. >> it's funny i had two political consult abouts in my class at georgetown and they said one of the primary lessons in politics is don't answer the question you are asked by a question or answer the question you want to answer. but, you know, it was interesting. i thought that he gave such a quick answer that it may be a question he had pondered before. you might even get a majority of yes on that question if you put it in a poll.
but he has been thrown so far off where he wants to be that this episode wasn't that surprising. the only thing i think is that he is being so sold out right now or sold by washington in conventional wisdom that he's got to have another bounce in him somewhere. i mean, the talk about him is so bad that you wonder if the voters are going to surprise us later on. i just always bet against where we are about two months ahead of an event. >> anne gearan, in tomorrow night's debate, can we look at it now and say here's the target, here's who the other candidates want to take down? is it now time to try to pull votes away from ben carson? is that the opening they see tomorrow night? >> i think many of the kaernts do see that opening. you've seen in the other candidates' reaction to the biographical discrepancy, shall
we say politely in ben carson's book. many of the other republican candidates have said, look, this is fair game. this is vetting. this is what happens when you run for president. it's hard to run for president and it shouldn't be easy. i think they will continue that. i don't know whether they will go so far as to ask him a great deal of detailed questions about things that he said that either are discrepancies about his own background or some of the things that he said as jonathan pointed out at the beginning are a little bizarre. what he said about pyramids and any number of other things over the years certainly are out of the mainstream. but i think it is time that the other candidates will see an opportunity to start going after him. the same way they tried to go after trump in the last debate. i think with less success. >> less listen to what the other candidates are saying now about ben carson.
>> he said he has pathological -- >> you don't believe him, do you? >> if you have pathological disease, that's a problem. >> you are responsible for your personal stories, joe. all of us, whether it's ben carson or marco rubio. we're responsible for the personal stories we tell about our lives and we need to be asked about them. >> you know if you run for office you're going to be put through the sausage grinder. the one thing i heard him say that i was taken aback when he said that, you know, people are looking into his personal life and they're going after him. i'll thinking, pal, you ain't seen nothing yet. >> so, jonathan, ben carson is complaining about the media looking into these things but he's not complaining so much about what these other candidates are saying. >> no. certainly the better foil for him is the media to make himself the victim of an attack by the media. >> i suppose if you're piling on to what the media's doing, if you're a republican candidate piling on to what the media is doing you're a bad person, too. >> one of the appeals of him so far has been that he's not attacking the other candidates. he's not getting into thegutter
with other people. the media is the bad guy and anybody who jumps in with them is a bad guy. it's a good strategy. >> anne, at some point, no matter how much voters love a particular candidate, some of them anyway will abandon that candidate when what they're seeing is someone who they don't believe can win the presidency. they see a beleaguered candidacy being battered around and not being able to handle basically the standard play of a presidential campaign. i'm wondering if any of those 27, 28% of republican primary voters who are now attached to carson will start to look at him that way as a hopeless candidate? >> i mean, it's certainly possible. carson has not only lasted longer but gone up in the polls farther than i predicted some time ago. and i think that most people thought. and one of the biggest victims
of that success was jeb bush who just, as you say, people have fallen away when they start to see damaged goods or the idea that he can't go the distance. jeb is still, you know, he's still a viable candidate. he has more money and more organizational muscle than just about anybody. trump is certainly giving him a run for his money. organization ally in iowa now. but bush built a big machine early on and much of that machine is still there. it's certainly not reflected in poll numbers, but i don't count him out, either. >> we see the change in dynamics on carson on the republican side, change in dynamics on the democratic side. let's listen to what bernie sanders said about hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton has 31 endorsements from people in the senate. >> yes. >> you don't have any. >> that's correct. >> what does that show? >> it tells you that one of us is candidate of the establishment.
one of us is involved is establishment politics and establishment economics. and it says that maybe the other candidate is prepared to take on the establishment. >> that would be you. >> that would be me, yes, i think that's probably right. >> e.j., the senator wants to be the outsider. >> well, that's where -- that's what he was when he started. i mean, i think people are kind of shocked that bernie is saying anything negative about hillary clinton. when you're running against somebody and it's essentially a one-on-one race it eventually comes to this. she took shots at bernie about guns and she will keep doing that. she took a shot at him for using the word "shouting" and said that was sexist. so he is going to go at her as an establishment candidate, which when you have all of those endorsements and the percentages that she has, is a reasonable thing for him to say. i think on the republican side, by the way, you asked who is
going to be subject to attack. what i wouldn't be surprised by the there's a ganging up on rubio because i think both bush from the one side and ted cruz from other side have an interest in going at him. and that's the attack i'm looking for even if the attack didn't do very well for jeb bush the first time around. >> on the bernie versus hillary campaign, an nbc/"wall street journal" poll shows bernie doing better. hillary clinton, 50% to 42% against donald trump, beats him. bernie sanders, basically the aim, 50%-41%. bernie sanders, 46%-41% on marco rubio. jonathan, that's all within the margin of error. to say it's better is, you know, splitting hairs. >> it's a bit of a wash and it's the argument that hillary clinton made about barack obama in 2008 that she had better numbers against john mccain than he had.
so i don't know how that plays out. interesting on the republican side with bush having all of this money, there's a report in the "new york times" today his super pac's gearing up to go after marco rubio on abortion and basically say marco rubio's position on abortion is too extreme on general election even though it's less extreme than the republican party's platform. >> yeah. >> the fact that bush is at this place where he would attack rubio on abortion for being too conservative on it is really odd to me. there's a fight about to happen with bush going full guns and maybe not really caring the extent to which it might come back on him. >> i just cannot imagine the meeting where someone says to get the republican primary voter to, to pull that voter awe way from ben carson which is where they're residing right now, we have to go to rubio's left on abortion. anne gearan, this is -- i can't wait to see how this works out. >> yeah. that's a weird one.
and i mean, you got to wonder, you know, what the meeting was like when -- exactly as you say, when somebody suggested this to bush or perhaps suggested it himself. bush is really struggling to figure out what to say to and about rubio. he wants to make the point clearly and he was trying to make the point in the last debate that they, you know, that rubio has promised but he doesn't yet have stature and credential. and i think you'll see bush try to continue to press that. it actually is an argument that has some resonance and it's something that clearly gets under rubio's skin. so to the degree that bush is ready to just go ahead and do it, you know, i think you'll see him try that. >> all right. >> it's my understanding they may make the ad, show it to donors, and say this could be used against him in the general election. i'm not sure he's actually going
to make that case to republican primary voters. >> right. and then the leaks and then replay it and primary voters see it. all right. quick break. coming up next, the establishment republican versus the renegade republican in the person of george will versus bill o'reilly on fox news friday night. it was amazing tv. more of the tv that i missed on friday night. and later, a last word on one of the biggest stories of the day. obviously the resignation of the president of the university of missouri. we will have one of the faculty members at the center of this controversy joining us later.ca some cash back cards love to overcomplicate things. like limiting where you earn bonus cash back. why put up with that? but the quicksilver card from capital one likes to keep it simple. real simple. i'm talking easy like-a- walk-in-the-park, nothing-to-worry-about, man-that-feels-good simple.
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thermacare has patented heat cells that penetrate deep to increase circulation and accelerate healing. let's review: heat, plus relief, plus healing, equals thermacare. the proof that it heals is you. i can say with certainty george will libels bill o'reilly. did you call me? >> no, i didn't promise to call you. you have my phone number. the memo is presented to howard baker. howard baker took one look at it and said to the man who wrote it this is not the ronald reagan i know. that was the end of any influence that he had. >> you're not telling the truth. you are actively misleading the american people. you are lying. >> here is what george will wrote in his "washington post" op-ed on thursday about bill o'reilly's book. the book is nonsense call history and execrable citizenship and should come with a warning, caution, you are about to enter a no facts zone.
we're joined by joy reid and david. david, this to me seems to be a microversion of the establishment republican fact-based republican versus the renegade, more free-thinking republicans who seem to be controlling the party today. >> yeah, but it's got a kind of ironic twist. bill o'reilly doesn't seem to have done his homework or proper historical research. the question it looks like he's trying to answer which is what kind of physical condition was ronald reagan no video> video conditions of his president. it took a generation about woodrow wilson, fdr. john kennedy only within the past decade or so. >> joy reid, his method of finding out how he was on the
job was to make sure he didn't talk to anyone who actually interacted with ronald reagan while on the job. and i for one, i for one just love that bill oh 'reilly is defending every word of his book being true except the title "killing reagan." >> and not only that, lawrence, but you have this bizarre thing where bill o'reilly's biggest beef with george will who wrote a column about swreding a book is he didn't calm l him. bill o'reilly didn't call some of the people who he might have who might have could have given some of the information he wanted, including to make it super personal, the former mary messing, who is george will's wife, who used to be a speech writer for ronald reagan. the fight between them gets really, really personal and i have to say rather petty but they are still fighting over this, you know, secular dietity on the right named ronald reagan.
>> let's listen to more of o'reilly and george will in this argument. >> all of what we write in "killing reagan" is true. you're a hack. you're in with the a ball of the reagan loyalties who don't want the truth to be told. it praises ronald reagan. yet you didn't call me when you said you would, that's a fact. >> why do reagan loyalists not want this -- >> because they wanted a deification. you play right into the hands. >> that is a lie. that, by the way, is a lie. >> that isn't a lie. we can prove it. you are a hack. >> jonathan, you can tell that george will knew exactly how this was going to go. and had his game plan, i'm going to sit here. i'm going to let the angry man be the angry man. i'm going to get in the words where i can and those words are going to include "that's a lie."
>> repeatedly. the george will is a hack by bill o'reilly's standards, bill o'reilly is a liar by george will's standards. it's more fun to watch than referee. george will is an intelligent guy who knows a lot about the reagan administration. and bill o'reilly is an entertaining. >> yeah. and, david fromme, what is the -- how do republican viewers of that kind of segment divide as they watch it? >> very first question. that is an interesting one, which is, look, there's a civil war going on inside the republican world. a lot of traditional authority is being rejected. and bill o'reilly whatever else you say about him does have a kind of sensitivity to his viewers, to his audience, that a lot of people who got in early say on the jeb bush project clearly don't have. things that were accepted a decade ago are not accepted now.
some of those -- that opens a lot of unscrupulous opportunities but may open the way to creative opportunities, too. >> david fromme, thank you very much for joining us tonight with that. >> thank you. up next, president obama has his first meeting face to face with benjamin netanyahu since the president signed the nuclear deal with iran. .. the (vo) what does the world run on? it runs on optimism. it's what sparks ideas. moves the world forward. invest with those who see the world as unstoppable. who have the curiosity to look beyond the expected and the conviction to be in it for the long term. oppenheimerfunds believes that's the right way to invest... ...in this big, bold, beautiful world. well, right now you can get 15 gigs for the price of 10. that's 5 extra gigs for the same price. so five more gigs for the same price? yea, allow me to demonstrate. do you like your pretzel? yea.
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here's what the president said about that deal in the oval office today. >> it's no secret that the prime minister and i have had a strong disagreement on this narrow issue. but we don't have a disagreement on the need to making sure that iran does not get nuclear weapon and we don't have a disagreement about the importance of us blunting destabilizing activities that iran may be taking place. so we're going to be looking to make sure that we find common ground there. >> netanyahu did not mention the iran deal at his remarks at the white house but he said this in a q and a session at the american enterprise institute earlier tonight. >> it's no secret we had a disagreement, president obama and myself, on the nuclear issue. that deal was signed. i think right now we have to concentrate on three things.
the first is to prevent iran from violating the deal. right now we are in agreement that we want to keep iran's feet to the fire. we want to make sure they don't violate the deal. and the president and i spoke about that today at some length. so we'll cooperate, first of all, to make sure that iran doesn't cheat. and believe me, it has a proclivity for cheating. >> gone is the bombast from benjamin netanyahu that he displayed on his last visit here talking about the iran deal. >> right. netanyahu confronted obama on the iran deal and lost. he lost big. it wasn't even close in terms of democrats who went over to oppose the president. and netanyahu even among people in israel who agreed with his position got a lot of grief because they said, look, picking a fight with the president of israel's closest ally really isn't a good idea.
and so i think netanyahu very much sees it in his interest to say i can patch up this deal. and on the president's side, there are some of the democrats who voted with him on the iran deal, with the assurance that obama would patch up relations with israel over time and they are our ally. but it is really striking to see how different this netanyahu was from the one who came over and addressed the congress. >> and joy reid, the last time netanyahu was in the oval office a year ago, the imagery and commentary out there in the media was that it looked like netanyahu was in charge there in that oval office as if he had suddenly taken it over. there was absolutely no one mistaking who was in charge in the oval office today. >> yeah, and if it had been any chillier you would have think they held that press conference in a refrigerator because obviously there is no
relationship between these two men. it is not warm, to put it mind mildly. but you also had beyond just the nuclear deal on iran, benjamin netanyahu has sort of been austan tashsly rude to the president over and over again to the point where susan rice has said he did everything but use the "n" word in drining the president. the contempt that was shown for the president, whether it was the flagrant presentation before congress or. even today going and accepting the irving krystal award from a group of conservatives, an award that's gone to dick cheney and other people before the meeting at the white house and filling it in and fixing it up by saying, well, he's also going to meet at the center for the american progress. it's been with some democrats. and you know, i've talked to members that really were not pleased with the treatment of the president and the treatment
of him because making israel a partisan issue is a terrible policy for the israelis and also tends to divide even democrats who are supportive of israel more broadly. >> i don't know on this, there is an endure ing irony to all of this and that is every word that benjamin netanyahu publicly said about the iran deal had the effect of selling it to iran, saying, you know, this means you guys have k. have a nuclear weapon in no time. it was as if he was selling it to the ayatollahs. >> you would think if it wasn't between an icy relationship between these two men they hatched this plan. >> you would. if they were friendly and secretly extremely supportive of it, which i don't think he was, but if he was the president would have to say to him please be as critical of it as you can publicly without killing it. >> he drove the iranians toward the deal and he drove democrats toward the deal. it was very helpful for the president. i think he recognizes that.
i think the concern for pro-israel folks in the united states and in israel is there was a danger of destabilizing that relationship between the two countries. these are two men who are temporary stewards of that relationship and they are disdain for each other, open disdain for each other is temporary. and i think what you saw today was an understanding and a recognition of that. obviously there's a lot of hostility and violence going on in the middle east right now. and i think both of them would like to be in a better place and be able to go back to their own citizens and say i'm in a better place with the other guy than i was before. >> e.j., on the personal front, benjamin netanyahu is a seasoned politician. i've been in the room with him many years ago and meetings with political office holders. he can be as charming to anyone with the door closed as any politician out there. he knows how in private to do everything he can to repair any personal damage with barack obama. the question is, does he have
the time and is there something meaningful that can come from repair that relationship? >> i think this relationship is beyond repair at a personal level. i mean, as joy said, the nature of the fight over the iran deal and this goes way back to the beginning of the administration, and netanyahu was using obama's unpopularity in israel to his own advantage. i don't think there's any repairing the personal relationship. but, they are both also pragmatic people, and i think that that's why you saw the display today. it wasn't out of friendship. it was out of need for by both countries. >> e.j. dionne and jonathan allen. joy reid, stick around. we need you to talk about the situation at the university of missouri that led to the president of the whole university system resigning. also, the head of that university campus where all the problems have occurred, also resigning today.
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issouri student jonathan butler began a hunger strike which led to the resignation of the university president today. >> it is my belief we stopped listening to each other. we didn't respond or react. we got frustrate with each other, and we forced individuals, like jonathan butler, to take immediate action or unusual steps to affect change. this is not, i repeat, not the way change should come about. change comes from listening, learning, caring, and conversation. have to respect each other enough to stop yelling at each other and start listening and quit intimidating each other
through either our role or whatever means that we decide to use. unfortunately this has not happened and that's why i stand before you today and i take full responsibility for this frustration and i take full responsibility for the inaction that has occurred. >> joining us now stephanie shonakin, chair and also with i, joy reid. professor professor, what is your reaction there today and the resignations? >> my reaction is just relief and elation. relief because we've been through quite a difficult period here at the university of missouri. and just elation that our students have been heard and that their hard work is beginning to pay off.
>> i'd like to read a statement from tim wolfe, he's the president of that -- the head of that campus. he also resigned. there was a moment where he in the homecoming parade, protesters approached his car and he ignored them. he said i regret my reaction the mu homecoming parade when the concernedstudent 950 group approached my car and i'm sorry. and apology is long overdue. it seemed like i did not care and that was not my intention. i was caught off guard in that moment. none the less, had i gotten out of the car to acknowledge the students and talk with them perhaps we wouldn't be where we are today. >> yeah, and for tim wolfe, the affect was really cumulative because apparently the anxiety on campus and the tension on campus really goes back even to earlier this summer.
tim wolfe's style of leadership was including cutting subsidies for health insurance for students that really -- particularly students of color and then attempted to make an investment by the university of something like $72 million in a sports stadium. so there was a sense not just in that car but even before that that wolfe was not listening to the students and there were various incidents, really some ugly incidents, swastika painted on a building in feces. head of the black student union called a racially disparaging neem. things have been building and building and becaming. i started hearing about this over the weekend, really through social media. you had people from mizzou posting to different hashtags and jonathan butler does this hunger strike. he was part of the protest against cutting the health insurance. it just accumulated. what was really remarkable was that over the course of the weekend the faculty began to get involved, really supporting these protests.
but then the football team got involved. over 30 members of the football team who, let's just face it, they are essentially paying the bills for the university. they're generating the income. their free labor is generating millions and 348s and millions of dollars for this university. the coach is paid scores of magnitude more than even the president of the university. and when they stepped in and more than 30 of them stood with jonathan butler, it changed everything. now the school's finances were literally at risk if they didn't jettison the president. >> professor, i'm wondering if this atmosphere has changed recently on campus and become more negative and more racially charged. the reason i ask is our senior producer byrnes is a graduate of that campus. she did four years there. black woman and says she never experienced any of this. she graduated in 2002. has something been happening since then that is different on campus? >> i would say so.
i've been here for just over four years, and since i came i had heard lots of stories from students, you know, anecdotes here and there, personal stories about what they're going through. and so that, i would say, was the first couple of years of my tenure here. and then -- and, of course, memories of what they call the cotton bowl incident which is when a couple of male -- white men put cotton balls around the black culture center as some kind of symbolism of slavery. and so that was very -- still very fresh in the memory of a lot of students when i got here. and then most recently i think what started this really going was when mike brown was killed in ferguson, which is really
just down the road, where a lot of our students actually come from, from that area and from st. louis. and, of course, with have a lot of students from chicago as well who themselves have lots of stories about race and racism. these students now started connecting all the dots, all the dots from what they had heard about the cotton bowl incident, all the dots of all of these stories that they -- that they go through, where they're called the "n" word, where they feel marginalized, where th are shunned in different spheres of the campus. and so the students began to agitate at that point. and i think that that was the beginning. and then, of course, the " n" word thrown at peyton and i think that's what happened. >> professor stephanie shonegan. up next, why the protest, if it had continued called have
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play byu, missouri this weekend. if those football players decide, we're not going to play, which is what they were doing, had the president not resigned, they would have lost over a million dollars in that game in columbus. >> basically it's a fine for not showing up for this televised game. >> exactly. exactly. >> and there's also future income presumably for the team, all of that is put at risk. >> yeah. >> i mean, it's hard to say sitting here, but and certainly the hunger strike started everything. but it seems like the football players ended everything. >> yeah, yeah. you have to understand this has been going on for a long time. >> yeah. >> not until the football team got involved did this become a real national story. 7% of the students at the university of missouri, lawrence, are black. but 69% of the football team is black. when you have over 30 players most of them were black starting to stage this protest. that's when the gained traction. so i think the students before deserve a lot of credit for doing something they believed in. the football team, the sec,
power, big-time college football, that helped make eight big story and ultimately action happened. >> this will stand as lesson at other campuses. you know, when something like this happens, pay attention much more carefully because when this spreeds to the football team, which it will. i think this model shows this kind of stuff won't stay isolated on the campus. >> it's not just football, either. missouri happens to be a pretty big football school. but if something like this happened at big basketball school, kansas, that would spread there. the athletes have the power at the schools. it's ironic, we look for the faculty to set the right example. in this case the students became students activists. >> talk about the pressure the football players are under because this is a serious football school. you can go to the nfl from this school. you boycott a game, don't show up for a game, how does that hurt how you might stand in the nfl draft? >> i think one big is not so big.
if it really was the rest of the season -- >> it could be the game where you score three touchdowns and your value skyrockets. >> nfl teams learn -- it's a good point but nfl teams will tell you they want character now and that's why these evaluations are beyond the field. i like to give the benefit of the doubt -- >> i'm sure the character they are looking for is the one that defies authority. >> good point. but gary pinkel saying he supports his players which is also important to point out. but i do hear what you're saying. >> jordan shultz, thank you for joining us tonight. coming up, why you should be very grateful for your shoes. that's tonight's "last word." you drop 40 grand on a new set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is, why do you have that insurance company?
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land, the land where the most famous and the richest movie director in the world wears the same kind of shoes as a poor kid who lives ten miles away or ten states away. i've returned from the land where the poor kids don't have shoes. that's how i measure wealth in the places i go to in mall awi. shoes. not by the number of cars or driveways because most would not have car or driveways or what we would recognize as houses. i delivered desks to schools in malawi's capital city where most kids have shoes, one pair of shoes or flip-flops. but in the villages most kids don't have shoes, not even flip-flops. which is relevant, right? donald trump is rich but bill gates is much, much richer. if you want to see how much richer you are than people in
malawi, just look down at your shoes or at your kids' shoes. at one village in northern malawi last week i saw a mother carrying her baby to a temporary health clinic. it took me more than a minute to realize what i was actually seeing. the mother was carrying her son the way she would carry a baby in her arms but his legs seemed too long for a baby but they were no thicker than a baby's legs. he was a 7-year-old boy suffering from severe malnutrition. he couldn't move a muscle. the only thing he could control were his eyes which kept looking up to his mother to save him. a nurse weighed him and then another nurse measured the circumference of his arm as other kids watched in fear as if they knew this could happen to
any of them. they've seen this before and they know they'll see it again. it was the only time, the only time that those kids aren't smiling and having fun and running around, playing. africa grabs your heart on the first day there and doesn't give it back at the airport when you leave. and so i'm back or part of me is back in the land where i don't remember who sold me my coffee this morning but i do remember who sold me my mango last thursday afternoon. he is the boss of a mango stand by the side of one of the paved roads in malawi. his little sisters and little brothers help a bit, but he's in charge. he is just one of hundreds of mango stands by the side of the road during mango season. he has more mangos than he can sell but at least that means he and his family always have something to eat.
he is the same age as the starving boy who i saw at the clinic an hour earlier. i'll never forget those boys, never. tell me another one, dr. carson. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. the presidential campaign heats up with trump on attack, carson on defense. outrageous issues of sandy hook and louisiana willing to elect a prior client of prostitute. dr. bryan cranston shows us the