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right now on "andrea mitchell reports" isis arrests. over a dozen in custody in europe accused of sending fighters to iraq and syria. the latest ahead. immigration uproar. critics slam donald trump's idea about deporting millions of undocumented immigrants as the billionaire candidate likens his proposal to a controversial program from the 1950s. >> how would your plan be different? >> very humanely done. very important. >> how? >> it's a whole management thing. it's called good management. good management practices. >> it's 11 million undocumented immigrants. >> katie, it will be very, very humanely done. and free speech debate as protests grow on campuses. can colleges be more inclusive and still protect the freedom of speech? >> there's a level of intolerance for things that are not so-called politically correct. people are so frightened of the
politically correct police that they're willing to do things that are irrational. good day. i'm luke russert in for andrea mitchell. we have a lot of developing news on the fight against isis to cover today. starting with a massive multi-national operation in europe to break up a recruiting ring linked to the terror group. at least 13 people have been arrested in italy, britain, norway and finland, accused of being part of an online network aimed at radicalizing fighters and sending them to the middle east to set up a caliphate in kurdistan. another part of the plan was allegedly targeting european diplomats. for more on all of this, i'm joined by nbc's claudio lavagna in rome where the operation was coordinated. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski
and nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel in greece. claudio, i was reading through the reports, one of the italian anti-terrorism officials said this was one of the biggest arrests regarding terrorism in the european continent in over 20 years. what happened here and why was it so significant? >> reporter: well, according to the italian police, this was a coordinated effort with the italian police alongside with the police forces across europe including the uk, finland and norway and also switzerland. now, what they say is that these terrorist organization was set up by the leader who was known in 2001 to have started a sunni insurgent group in iraqi kurdistan which was trying to overthrow then later on the kurdish iraqi government, then when he moved to norway, he was even granted political asylum and then he was jailed for inciting hatred and violence.
he even praised the recent attacks at "charlie hebdo" in paris. now, what he was trying to do with this terrorist organization was to recruit foreign fighters to fight alongside isil in syria, but also as you said during your intro, the italian police believe they were planning some kind of terrorist attack in norway and in the middle east, some kind of retaliation against the arrest of their leader or even planning the kidnapping of foreign dignitaries to use at some kind of leverage to have their leader released. >> thank you so much for that report. let's turn to jim miklaszewski, our pentagon correspondent. jim, this was an isis ring that was specifically trying to go into the kurdish-controlled area of that part of the world, set up a caliphate. we understand, though, that as we speak, kurdish fighters are in fact involved in a very serious offensive to try to retake some strategic positions overrun by isis. >> reporter: that's right. u.s. military and defense
officials say that thousands of kurdish forces backed up by u.s. air strikes are on the assault against the city of sinjar in northern iraq. according to the officials, it's thousands of those kurds against only several hundred of the isis fighters that have been holding sinjar but the problem is, they are dug in. they have dug trenches, they have ied traps so it could take some time before they take that city. now, interestingly enough, there is a small number of u.s. special operations forces who are forward deployed with the kurds to provide some advice in carrying on this ground battle, but we are told that they are well from the battlefield itself. now, the u.s. is confident that the kurds should ultimately be able to take sinjar, recapture the city, because it's probably the most capable force there in
iraq. for example, down at ramadi, the u.s. or the iraqi forces have a 10:1 advantage over isis in ramadi but they have been unable to take that city. ramadi is critical, according to u.s. officials, because it's the route from raqqa, the isis headquarters there in syria, to mosul. so if they can seize that city, they can cut off that line of communication, supplies going to mosul, and hopefully strangle isis in the second largest city there in iraq. >> indeed. jim, there has been a lot of debate here at home about what the role of u.s. forces is in this conflict. you mentioned those soldiers who are quote, forward deployed but not close to the battle lines. what exactly does that mean? what is their role in this type of conflict? >> reporter: u.s. officials
insist that it's only an advisory role. in this case they are not accompanying any combat troops into the actual fight. they are back at the kurdish regional headquarters, not erbil, their main headquarters, but a regional headquarters far from the battle according to u.s. officials. as we saw before, however, they did accompany some forces in an effort to rescue some kurds that were supposedly being held by isis there in northern iraq, but -- i'm sorry, but in that endeavor, there was one u.s. american special operations forces member that was killed. >> indeed. that was a tragic day. jim miklaszewski, thank you for that report. we appreciate it. let's go to richard engel, who is in greece. part of the byproduct of all this conflict in syria, in iraq, is this unstoppable flow of
migrants trying to escape the conflict zone. we paid a lot of attention to this story over the summer but now environment is playing a critical role because the water is getting colder, the weather is getting colder. what have you seen so far there, and what type of effect is the environment having on these refugees? >> reporter: well, the weather here is still unseasonably warm so there is an enormous flow of refugees leaving places like syria, leaving iraq. the numbers range from 5,000 a day to upwards of 10,000. they come in inflatable rafts, very cheap flimsy rafts. they are crammed in 40, 50 people per raft, many of them are women and children. when the seas get rough and as this season progresses, the seas are going to get rougher and rougher, it is simply not a survivable journey. it's only a few miles between where i am right now and the
turkish coast, and that is where almost all of the refugees are leaving on their way to europe. they come to turkey, they cross turkey and then they board these rafts, they are loaded on by smugglers and now because the weather is still so unseasonably warm, they are coming in droves. and it's very difficult to appreciate the scale. almost every beach, every cove on this island, is littered with broken rafts because after the refugees get off, they slash the rafts. they are littered with used and discarded lifejackets. every cove. and it is just an enormous problem and it is directly related to the war on isis. >> richard, one thing that could perhaps stop this crisis is if there is an exit strategy for assad in syria to try to mitigate what's happening there. secretary of state john kerry
slated to try and relaunch those talks with iran, saudi arabia and russia. from where you sit over there, what's the possibility of diplomatic action here, or are the players involved too big rivals? >> reporter: it is -- i think we are seeing not the beginning of the problem but i don't think we are looking at the end of this crisis, either. i think we are still several years away. could there be some sort of diplomatic resolution, some sort of framework that sees a political solution to war? perhaps. then you still have to deal with isis on the battlefield. you still have to remove them from the battlefield. isis has tens of thousands of fighters just in this one place like sinjar, a few hundred isis fighters are able to hold on with ieds and trenches. even with a ten to one ratio, isis is still managing to hold
the city of ramadi in iraq. so even if there is some sort of enormous diplomatic breakthrough and john kerry and the russian, his russian counterpart can reach a deal on the future of syria, i don't think that is going to translate to quick peace and it's certainly not going to convince the tens of thousands of people who are leaving every week crossing the mediterranean, trying to get to where i am right now, the island of lesbos and then from here, continue their journey into other parts of europe. i don't see that happening any time soon. >> richard engel, thank you for that report and your perspective. last hour, as you saw here on msnbc, president obama presented army captain grober with the medal of honor. he rushed a suspect wearing a suicide vest.
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in congress, the gang of eight bill that was the brainchild of chuck schumer and barack obama, that would have granted amnesty to 12 million people here illegally, that i stood with the american people and led the fight. >> amnesty, amnesty, amnesty. ted cruz pushing that narrative hard against marco rubio, from operatives i have spoken to they say if this becomes a two person race, expect ted cruz to go down that path as much as possible. >> let me say it's early to say it's going to come down to two of them. there's a hong way to go and we have a lot of candidates. if it did, this is one of the issues that would distinguish them. they were on opposite sides when you had the gang of eight coming up with that reform package. senator rubio has tried to really distance himself from that. he talks mostly about
enforcement, not about dealing with the 11 or 12 million people who are here without papers now. but it would be one of the differences between them. it would be one of the ways in which they would be very different general election candidates, because senator cruz would stake out a position in great contrast to where the democrats are on this issue. senator rubio, in a general election, would be in a better position, it seems to me, to get back toward the middle, reach out to some of the hispanic voters who have been so important in this nation. >> men do many impressive things but they also do a lot of really dumb things. i want to play what donald trump said about hillary clinton's hair style. >> she has a new hairdo. did you notice that today? >> that's called a wig. >> is that a wig? >> i think it's a wig. nothing personal. look, i'm not against wigs. people can wear whatever they want. >> okay. it was massive. her hair became massive. >> you know you're going to get in trouble now. >> i don't care. i don't care.
but no, because i'm a person that tells the truth. >> jean, hillary clinton probably the most powerful woman in the history of the united states, if not number one, 1a, 1b with nancy pelosi and janet yellen. what happened here? >> this is trump trying to get the attention back on him, say something outrageous, create a little controversy and then he's back in the headlines. i thought hillary clinton has addressed this question in a pretty funny way, where she was asked about it or she just addressed it and said the hair is mine, the color is not. there you go. case closed. >> little dig there at donald trump. thank you both so much. we appreciate your time. we have a breaking story from beirut, where the lebanese red cross now says 23 people have been killed after two explosions rocked a busy commercial and residential area in a southern suburb of the city. early indications are that this was a twin suicide bomb attack.
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i think people are terrified. i honestly think people are thinking it's going to be another ferguson. >> it's super crazy, started out as a nice peaceful protest. >> i think it's messed up. i can't believe this is even happening here. >> the university of missouri remains on edge today as a second person was arrested for allegedly making online threats against black students and faculty. this afternoon, mizzou will announce a new interim president
of the university of missouri system. this as anger about racism on college campuses is bubbling up across the country. nbc's craig melvin joins me from new york. he has been following this story. craig, what do we know? >> reporter: the hash tag black on campus, black on campus is a popular hash tag. i wanted to show just how popular it is. these are folks who are using the hash tag to describe their experience as a minority student at their respective college or university. this was sometime yesterday and at that point yesterday, we are talking several thousand tweets a minute. more than 100,000 tweets over the past 24 hours using that hash tag black on campus. everyone from talking about the humiliation of being presumed that you are a cafeteria worker on campus, people talking about what it's like to be a black student, maybe just one or two black students in an entire classroom filled with white people. activism and solidarity. this is what we are starting to
see a lot of at campuses all over this country. many blackouts today. that's where students on campus wear all black in solidarity with students at missouri. also solidarity with student activists on other campuses as well. this was the scene wednesday at the university of iowa. this is vcu in richmond. vanderbilt and howard as well. this was the scene at hampton university in virginia. take a look. [ chanting ] >> so these blackouts, the schools i mentioned yesterday. today we have seen them at sam houston state, university of louisiana lafayette, those are just the schools where we can confirm they are happening. dozens of other schools as well according to social media. you could call it the missouri effect. students at these schools say they have been emboldened, inspired to rally, to protest, to stage these walkouts and
blackouts because of what we have seen happen at missouri. at yale university, new haven, connecticut, concerns for many students of color. staff and faculty as well, those concerns reached a tipping point when administrators did not seem to take seriously offensive halloween costumes. that came in the wake of allegations that a fraternity on campus recently held a white girls only party earlier this week at yale, thousands staged what was called a march of resistance. at ithaca college, private college upstate new york, students staged a walkout wednesday afternoon demanding that the president of that college step aside, citing the way he has handled or in their words, mishandled several racially charged incidents there. students and some faculty and staff also upset over the lack of diversity and inclusion. we should also note here that a number of the presidential candidates are starting to speak out on this as well, including donald trump, including ben carson and marco rubio. those candidates in particular
have more of this coming up in our next hour, but those candidates in particular are saying wait a minute, colleges and universities are supposed to be this bastion of free expression. they don't really see what the big deal is. we will take a look at that in just a moment. luke? >> craig, you mentioned that because it is rising to the service not only on college campuses but this is becoming very much a political issue. it's not an issue that's easy for either side to really tackle. do you think this will continue to play out through the course of the next few weeks or will this go on further? could we still be talking about these types of issues in a political context over the course of months? >> reporter: i think this is probably going to be a large part of the conversation. again, keep in mind just a couple months ago, the black lives matter hash tag, you know, was something that it wasn't just, you know, we talk about hash tags but there's more to it than the sort of hash tag advocacy and activism.
these are folks who took the hash tag and really turned it into something else. i think you are starting to see that at campuses all over this country right now. we have already heard from bernie sanders, who tweeted yesterday, who talked a little bit about using this as an opportunity to address structural racism in this country. hillary clinton weighed in on it as well. so this is going to be something especially as have you candidates who like to spend a fair amount of time on college campuses and universities talking to students, unveiling policy proposals. you will have a lot of these students who interrupt some of these speakers or who insist that these candidates talk about racial strife, who talk about the fact that you do have large swaths of universities and colleges in this country who don't have more than a dozen or two black staffers, faculty members as well. yeah, that's going to be part of the conversation and quite frankly, it probably should be.
>> also, i graduated about seven years ago. one thing i was struck by is that it seemed that universities would try and push diversity but to some degree it was almost disingenuous. i think that's where you see a lot of this anger coming from, this idea, is this shouldn't be something necessarily pushed as a class. this needs to be a mindset that we are in this together, that you can't ostracize certain members of the community and that you can really try and make everybody whole. it's a fascinating story. i appreciate your reporting on it. thank you so much. for more this, i'm joined by "new york times" columnist nicholas kristoff. thank you for being on the show. you had a line in your piece i would like to quote which i found fascinating, which is more broadly, academia, especially the social services, undermines itself by a tilt to the left. we should cherish all kinds of diversity, including the presence of conservatives to infuriate us, liberals and make
us uncomfortable. education is about stretching muscles and that's painful in the gym and in the lecture hall. a lot of talk about that this was long overdue to hear this type of conversation in the national lexicon. however, a byproduct of it has been from anecdotal conversations i have had with a lot of my friends i went to school with in our e-mail chains, they don't even feel that they can comment on anything without running the risk of being called a racist or running the risk of being unable to respond, to have a thoughtful dialogue. has that been part of the issue here going so far over to that side? >> well, i think there's a fine line here and on the one hand, i think that there are a lot of whites who are concerned about speaking up about race because they are afraid of treading on some minefield and that's problematic because one thing we desperately need this this country is a much deeper
conversation about race and about unconscious bias in particular. i think there are a lot of well-meaning whites who believe in racial equality, yet perpetuate inequality because of that unconscious bias. so on the one hand, i think that the fear of stepping on minefields is a real problem because it impedes that kind of conversation. on the other hand, i think a lot of african-americans already feel sort of marginalized on campuses and insensitive comments are only going to compound that. so there's a fine line here. we have competing values. >> do we run the risk though, of not allowing students to have a full-on educational experience, because it's not only race, it's gender, orientation, politics, it's i'm so offended by the sight of somebody who has a different political viewpoint than me that i find that offensive, that i can't even walk to class without wanting to
run back into my room and shut the door. at what point do universities have to make a judgment call that yes, you might be offended by a person but all the more reason for you to attend to debate that person. why is that getting so drowned out right now? >> well, i think that clearly, especially on idealogical issues, universities, especially those that are liberal and this is me speaking as a liberal, need to do a much better job engaging conservatives, inviting conservatives on campuses. i'm always struck that conservative campuses, evangelical christian campuses, will invite me as a liberal to provoke their students and i think that liberal campuses need to do the same in terms of bringing in social conservatives. >> there is nothing better than having a real full-on debate with someone you disagree with. it's the most fascinating thing to do in college. it's a very valuable part of the four years. we will see what happens with this. thank you so much for joining us. appreciate your insight. up next, an msnbc exclusive
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hospital, lambert is seen kicking out the police car window and running toward the e.r. officers tase him at the doorway, then tase him on the ground. >> i'm going to light you up again. >> reporter: instead of bringing lambert inside the hospital, police take him back to the squad car. legs and arms cuffed, he's seen slumping in the back seat as officers tase him once again. >> get your hands up and act like you got some sense. >> i'm going to tase you again. >> reporter: the squad car then takes him to jail, where officers find he's unresponsive. he's then taken by ambulance back to the same e.r., where he's pronounced dead on arrival an hour after the incident began. lambert's sister just recently saw the tapes. a court ordered police to provide them after she sued the officers for $25 million. >> i got to the gravesite and i talked to my brother and i said
i'm sorry, i'm so sorry for what they did to you because i didn't know. >> reporter: the police deny the family's allegations and say the tasings were appropriate and necessary because lambert's behavior put persons at risk. but federal guidelines say repeat tasings may increase the risk of death or serious injury, and law enforcement experts note force is only allowed on combative suspects. >> there's no possible justification to taser a man shackled and restrained like this in the back of a police car. >> reporter: lambert's family is calling it police brutality, saying the tasings caused his death. the autopsy notes tasing wounds but lists the cause of death as cocaine intoxication. >> we should say his name was linwood lambert, we confused that with his sister's last name. sorry about that. ari melber joins us now, who broke this story. ari, the investigation's still open. what can we see here?
>> that's correct. it's been two and a half years. there was a prosecutor working on it who i spoke to this week. they assigned a second prosecutor to help her. she basically told me she's going to go and do this investigation for as long as it takes. i also spoke for the story with the virginia state police which conducted their own inquiry in response to the police chief, referring it to them, as soon as the incident occurred. so basically, anything could happen. you could have a criminal inquiry that proceeds to some sort of charges. some of the potential issues in a situation like this is was medical care improperly denied, was excessive force used, and the biggest question, was his death in any way contributed to or caused by the conduct of officers and was all of that that i just mentioned justified or not. you could also have a situation where a prosecutor makes an announcement as we have seen in other cases and says we don't find any reason to make criminal charges. we have got a lot of open questions considering it's been over two years and these videos
only saw the light of day only viewed by the public for the first time yesterday, when we broke the story. >> ari, after your ground-breaking report yesterday, i sort of spoke to my sources in the criminal justice community, especially those on capitol hill, and i put the question forward, is there a risk now that police are too trigger-happy when it comes to tasers. >> great question. >> almost to a person they said yes, this has been a serious issue. is there a lack of training for officers with tasers? are officers too quick to pull? is that part of the larger question here? >> i think it's part of the policy question that comes out of incidents like this. i think you raise an important point. what i can tell you in our investigation is we spoke directly to taser international, the leading provider of these weapons, and we looked at a lot of cases. tasers overall when used correctly and appropriately are really a positive law enforcement tool. i spoke to officers who said what they do is provide a less lethal alternative to
incapacitate a suspect. if you use a taser one or two times, that does it and that works and in many cases, if you talk to the company, they say they can document ways that it has saved lives as compared to departments that aren't using them. i should mention 97% of u.s. police departments have some tasers on staff. but your question, do people understand that once or twice incapacitates but according to the justice department, over three times has a risk of serious injury or death and that using a taser ten plus times on an individual is really not allowed or recommended by anyone, not by the maker, the company, not by any law enforcement experts. that's a thing that needs to be known because if it's not or it's being done, people think it's justified, they are really outside of the rules. >> ari melber, ground-breaking report. thank you for joining us with your legal perspective. the president of the naacp legal defense and educational fund joins me now.
sherrilynn, thank you for making the time. horrific video, absolutely awful, especially the scenes of the officers applying the tasers on mr. lambert in the back of the car. where do you see your organization trying to move on this and the larger scale issues, is this police brutality, is this tasers being used improperly, combination of both? where is the avenue for change here? >> well, it's actually a grisly reflection of what we have been saying for the last year is the root of the problem. it is about the culture of policing. if you are watching that video that's so hard to watch, what you see is this insistence on subduing this man, physically subduing this man. officers can do this with a night stick, with a flashlight, with pepper spray, with a taser. whatever the instrumentality it's the culture and the training that makes officers believe that this man who was clearly unarmed, was handcuffed
and therefore incapacitated, had to be subdued, had to obey their every command, roll over, get up. if you don't do it, the officer says i will light you up again. the culture has police officers engaging with members of the public and engaging with potential arrestees as though they are recalcitrant children, although if you treated children like this you would be arrested. there is a sense of domination that you are seeing with these police officers. if you don't respond exactly to the letter, in the case of sandra bland, put out your gr , cigarette, you have to respond to whatever they say, no matter how unreasonable. if you are not responding in the way they want you to respond, they are able to use this measure. this video shows us the problem is not just about the instrumentality, it's about the culture. >> quickly, that incident happened over two years ago. the video just now coming to
light. in this world where more police will be wearing body cameras, what can be done to try to get that video evidence to the public more quickly? >> in fact, this video came to light because of the trial that the family brought against the police officers, this information has to be released. one of the issues that's outstanding with body cameras is how quickly the public gets to view them. it's one of the issues i think many departments that are doing these pilot programs have to work out because there's no point in having all this video evidence if the public doesn't get to see it. >> especially two years down the line. thank you so much, naacp, we appreciate your time. next up, big hit. just a forceful soccer header. so what's your news? i got a job! i'll be programming at ge. oh i got a job too, at zazzies. (friends gasp) the app where you put fruit hats on animals? i love that! guys, i'll be writing code that helps machines communicate.
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it's a game changer for youth soccer, announcing they are banning heading the ball in games and practices for soccer players 10 and younger and kids between the ages of 11 and 13 will only be allowed to head the ball during games only. nbc's kerry sanders is live in west lafayette, indiana at purdue university where researchers have been examining the impact on the brain when children head a soccer ba. what are they finding? >> reporter: they have been doing this study for seven years on what the trauma is in sports not only in soccer about you in football. i will step out of the way. you can see the guys playing here. we will talk to some of the resear researchers. you actually put sensors on. i put a sensor on so you can determine the impact on me when i head the ball. i got a 25g hit today. one of the more professional players got a 70g hit. what is that equal to? >> a 70g hit can be reasonably
modeled if you dropped a brick on your head from a little over two feet above it. >> reporter: a really powerful hit. so you have children who are now being told not to do this heading and your concern is what? >> we are not only starting our kids at a younger age, when i was playing football in high school, you only had high school football and you played at that level. now we are starting kids very early and not only are we starting them earlier, we are continuing that season all year round. >> reporter: so that means repetitive -- >> certainly. >> reporter: so children are being told they can't head the ball. it's an integral part of the sport. i guess one of the final questions i have for you is what do you tell parents, at what age can they start heading the ball? >> that's a tough question. the main issue to think about is have they got body control, do they understand what they are trying to do with the ball coming in. from what we see, the ages of
12, 13, 14 look like really good years to start allowing that to get into the play. let the kids get accocoordinated understand the game. >> reporter: when i got hit today with about 25gs, it still hurt. the research shows it's about the time the kids get to college that the repetitive impact is causing less trauma to the brain. back to you, luke. i think you used to play soccer. what do you think of all this? >> i was a football player in high school. i did not know the equivalent of a brick to my head. my goodness. >> reporter: this will surprise you. this will surprise you. the hits in soccer are equal to the hits in football. >> i believe it. >> reporter: if you think scrimmage is worse than soccer, research has found it's actually about the same. >> oh, my goodness. well, i hope there are no lasting implications from the hit you took. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online and on facebook and on twitter. go, bills.
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