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suicide explosions in a suburb of beirut. brian williams is following all of this. he's been on it all afternoon. brian, what do we have? >> kate, that's right. and thanks. and one of the videos that has surfaced on social media, we will just roll this and tell people this is the aftermath of the first bombing. listen for the second. it is a sickening sound. especially when you realize what the combination of explosions did. again, the death toll at this hour, as you see at the bottom of your screen, 37 the estimate of wounded is the number north of 180. biella is in our london
bureau. >> this is 6:00 local time. sort of the rush hour in this southern beirut neighborhood. the government says there were three possible suicide bombers. a first explosion, then just moments later after a crowd gathered, a second blast. and a third potential suicide bomber found dead with his explosives still intact. the area at this point has been cordoned off. medics have treated the wounded, evacuated the wounded. the death toll, as you mentioned, very high. at least 37 dead, more than 100 injured, 180, 181 are the numbers we're hearing and reports of very heavy damage. this area has been hit before. as you mentioned, a hezbollah stronghold. sunni militant groups have
threatened it. they have attacked it before. there was extremely heavy security checkpoints in and out of this southern suburb. yet still two, possibly three suicide bombers were able to get in. just within the past hour or so, isis has released a statement claiming responsibility. their supporters anyway, via twitter. describing the bombing in this way, saying that the initial attack was a motorcycle laden with explosives. it detonated. and then a suicide bomber moved into the crowd detonated his explosives causing most of the injuries. that is not the way the government has described it. they haven't gotten into that much detail as yet, brian. we're also hearing, just as isis has released their own statement, so, too, has hezbollah. an assistant to the group's leader saying from the site of the explosion, what happened here is a crime.
this battle against terrorists will continue. and it's a long war between us. brian. >> from our london bureau kelly kobe buy aya, veteran correspondent. here in our studios, cal perry. also a veteran of the region. cal, people are going to hear hezbollah. people are going to hear that this area of beirut is under their sphere of influence. what does it mean there locally and please help us in terms of how this fits in the region. what does this have to do with the fighting in syria, for example? >> start with taking a look at the country. this is a country that is 100 times smaller than syria but has 2 million syrian refugees living in it. this is a country that is very much involved in what's happening in syria. if you go back a few months to june, the head of hezbollah, secretary general hassan nasrallah giving a speech to his
supporters declared open war on the islamic state. this is a country that finds itself geographically in the middle of what's going on in the region and also politically in the middle of what's going on in the region. you want to drive a wedge between the various parties in lebanon and especially with the everyday civilian in lebanon, this is what you do. >> yet, people will find this heartbreaking on behalf of beirut, lebanon, where, you know, their fortunes rise and fall based on the violence at that moment. >> and the lebanese people pride themselves on being resilient, on having lived through this, circulating on social media right now, in fact, we have beirut written with an "i" for a candle. that is now going around not only lebanon, but beirut is the third trending story in the u.s. you have to remember, this is a country that lived through decades of civil conflict. they've dealt with these bombings before. i think everybody was hoping this wouldn't come back especially to this neighborhood in beirut, brian. >> it is impossible to stroll
even the nicer tourist areas in beirut and not be able to look up and see the after-effects, three, four conflicts ago, buildings that look like they were shelled yesterday. new construction, yes, but kind of remnants of the old. and it's a metaphor really for what they've been through. >> it is. you've got a four seasons hotel on the waterfront and next to it a blownout old hotel from the civil war. next to that a building that was shelled during the war in israel during 2006. and this neighborhood is one of the places that hezbollah considers to be under their control completely. they control at least half of the country south of the litani river. but this area in southern beirut, this is a controlled hezbollah area. there are a lot of political offices there. this is where they do their press liaison work. so it's considered, as you've heard, a hezbollah stronghold. what does that mean?
this that means they control access in and out of the neighborhood. >> we've called isis the face of evil in the modern world. talk about this organization unknown a all of us, two, three years ago. >> absolutely. we're also today uncovering threats against russia. and i think this is going to be the growing concern for governments around the world. isis has claimed responsibility for this attack. the details are a bit unclear. they said it was one bomber. we think it was three. we're hearing that from the lebanese interior ministry. russia put out a video in which they say very soon blood will spill like an ocean. these are our words in our cities we will come for you. and they cite moscow specifically. this is what people in lebanon are going to be talking about tonight on the evening newscast and clearly for countries like russia, you get engaged and then what's the potential price you pay? >> our terrorism expert evan
kohlmann is with us as well. this is getting a lot of talk lately. a kind of oddly unifying factor. you're going to get a lot of strange bedfellows, all of them united in the fight against isis. >> yeah, and look, these folks are looking right now to try to strike back at adversaries that are beyond their immediate reach. it's not so easy for these folks to shoot down u.s. or russian war planes over the skies in syria or iraq. it's a lot easier if they're looking to make a point or they're looking to try to strike at the heart of their enemies, instead of striking there, at civilian targets, targets that are deep within the heart of their enemies. beirut is really quite an attractive target for them. hezbollah right now is playing an extremely active role on what's going on in syria. they've been at the forefront of most of the syrian army major oifs including the latest offensive that liberated territory near aleppo. there's no doubt that isis not
only would like to strike a blow against enemies but also to distract public attention from any setbacks that it is unfortunately suffered -- unfortunately for them anyway -- has suffered in aleppo and elsewhere in syria. this is one way of doing that. we do have to be careful. obviously the details of their communique here don't match exactly with the details on the ground. they probably are the most likely suspect, but again, they also claimed credit for the downing of the russian airliner and we still don't have definitive evidence showing they did do that or even that it was terrorism. until we know a little bit more, obviously, this is an act of terrorism. but there are other potential culprits. there's jeb ba al nusra, al qaeda in syria that carried out similar attacks previously in beirut and vowed that it would carry out others. again there's a claim of credit from isis. it comes from an official source. there's no reason to doubt the chain of custody comes through,
but just because they claim something, you know, with isis in particular, this one group, you do have to weigh their claims against what else comes out in the aftermath. >> and is this another reminder, we always seem to be fighting the last war. our security apparatus always seems to be on guard against a spectacular terrorist attack, which has become a term of art. forgive me for speaking clinically about this loss of life, but this was yet another reminder of the low-tech nature of terrorism that gets the world's attention nonetheless. >> yeah, i think it's important to emphasize that, that isis may not necessarily have gone to the greatest lengths that aqap lass in developing explosives that can circumvent metal detectors. they might not have legions of folks armed with chemical or biological weapons but unfortunately you don't need a ph.d. to commit murder. these folks who are dedicated to
carry out acts on a small scale but with enough frequency that they are troubling and, nfin fa, more than just troubling. you see that here in the west with folks, most of them, have no contact with isis, they're simply being incited by isis to carry out acts of violence. and you see acts like this. and again one of the interesting things here in beirut is that supposedly there was one suicide bomber. and it is interesting that for a major attack they only involved one bomber. does that mean they have a shortage of personnel or are they leaving out details here? a third individual was captured or intercepted. we'll see what information comes out from there, whether or not this was something planned inside syria or whether or not there are active isis cells and network that right now is inside of lebanon. that's more disturbing. i think it's likely, but understanding the extent to which that's the case is important for lebanese authorities to figure out whether or not this is an
isolated incident or whether we'll see more attacks like this. >> this only happened three hours ago. so that puts us still in kind of the zone of fog of war regarding facts on the ground. the known facts so far estimated death toll at least 37 with over 180 wounded. now, speaking of this fight against isis before we hand it back to kate snow, let's go to the pentagon. jim miklaszewski. there's been news on that front today. >> and i'm not attempting here to make any connection, but coincidentally this bombing occurred just as u.s. and kurdish forces in northern iraq have launched a major offensive to try to retake the city of n sinjar in northern iraq. there are thousands we're told by u.s. officials, thousands of kurdish fighters on the move into sinjar against only a handful, several hundred of the isis fighters that control that city backed up by u.s. air
strikes. they're attempting to launch the attack, this attack to retake sinjar and cut off a valuable critical supply line from isis headquarters raqqa in syria to mosul, the second largest city in iraq which until now is still controlled by isis. in fact, officials say it could take up to three years before mosul is regained, control of mosul is regained from the ice fighters there. one thing interesting for the first time we're told that u.s. military special operation forces are being forward based with those kurdish elements in a remote headquarters there near sinjar. they insist that those special forces are nowhere near the battle, should not get involved. but it reminds us of the raid just a few weeks ago in syria in which a u.s. special operations forces embedded with kurdish
fighters was killed, brian. they say that the u.s. officials here say that should not happen in this offensive. >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon. before that evan kohlmann, cal perry and kelly cobiella. kate snow, just some of the breaks news we're dealing with at this hour. >> a lot of that today. brian williams, thanks so much. we'll take a quick
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position. middleton just retired as the deputy chancellor of mizzou back in august. he's been at the school since 1985 and received his undergraduate and law degrees from the university. the appointment comes, of course, three days after tim wolfe was forced to step down amid student protests and growing racial tension on campus. response to the events on the university's campus has been widespread with a lot of people offering support and solidarity. 2016 presidential candidates also weighing in including this sharp rebuke from donald trump this morning. >> i think it's disgusting, i think the two people that resigned are weak, ineffective people. i think that when they resigned they set something in motion that's going to be a disaster for the next long period of time. they were weak, ineffective people. trump should have been the chancellor of that university, believe me. there would have been no resignation. did you look at their demands? the things that they're asking
for, many of those things are like crazy. >> some of those demands that trump is referring to included a written apology from the now former president tim wolfe. a mandatory, quote, comprehensive racial awareness and inclusion curriculum for all on campus and that the university increase its percentage of black faculty and staff by 10% by the 2017 school year. last night ben carson referred to the protests as, quote, infantile behavior. erica hill is at ithaca college. and craig melvin is following the reaction to all of this. what's happening on campus, reaction to this new interim president being named? >> yeah, reaction very positive. this student group concerned student 1950 announced their
report ahead of the announcement. mike middleton got his undergrad degree his law degree here, he worked for the law department following his work for a trial attorney at the department of justice. now months after retiring he's resuming these duties immediately. during that press conference he addressed that the time has come to talk about these challenges. he also discussed how he will prioritize his duties in his new role. >> it is imperative that we hear all of our students and do everything we can to make them comfortable and safe in our communi community. >> now, he also said his first step would be to devote attention to addressing those demands that -- some of which you just listed a moment ago. he said he intends to satisfy all the demands on that list that can be satisfied. now, we want to hinge a bit and
talk about a follow-up to yesterday's news, those threats directed here at the campus alleged by by hunter park, a student at another school within this system about two hours away. he is set to make his first appearance in court this afternoon. court documents revealing new details about possible motives or possible inspiration saying he admitted to copying some of the language used in postings believed to have been written by the oregon community college shooter. when investigators asked him why he did that, he said he had a deep interest in the case. >> sarah dallof. now ithaca college hundred of students staged a solidarity walkout calling for their president to resign in the wake of what they're saying are insufficient responses to racism on campus. joining me with more erica hill who is on that campus. >> reporter: good afternoon to you. that walkout happened yesterday about 1:30 in the afternoon.
it included a prolonged moment of silence, laying down what they labeled a die-in. part of the issue that many students have is that the president's response to different incidents, racially charged ipts that have happened and been reported on campus. it has to do with what they fear are inconsistencies in the timeline of the president's response. both the student group and faculty group are launching no-confidence votes in terms of the president. he, of course, serves at the pleasure of the board. the board is sort of watching all of this, the board of trustees. i did speak with the president a few moments ago. one of the things i asked him was whether or not he would step down. he basically said no, saying he can't really see what the threshold would be for him to step down. it would have to do with if in fact his plan was not able to be fully carried out. he said he is energized by the activity he sees on campus and he feels it is actually a more inclusive environment than when he first arrived. i want to bring in student body
president, dominic recchio who has been speaking with some of the students involved in the group people of color at the college who organized that walkout yesterday. you just heard me talk about what the president had to say. what is your reaction to that? >> i'm frankly very disappointed. it gives thousands of students that left the event he put op in the athletics and events center, thousands of students leaving that and thousands of students going together in the quad to say a message isn't a big enough threshold to consider this very strongly, then i don't know what will be. i think the vote of no confidence will be great shows of actual no confidence in the president from both students and faculty. but the threshold piece is frustrating because thousands of people have turned their backs on him. >> he said to me he's open to dialogue and discussion with a number of groups. he feels that the climate on campus now, he reports there are twice the number of minority students and people of color on campus as when he first arrived.
he thinks it's a place where you can have an open, honest dialogue about race. would you agree? >> i can tell you that those numbers that have increased, they've doubled since he's been here but the student support for those students has decreased since he's been here. and nothing has been added until very recently when he realized it was an urgent issue. if he didn't realize it was an urgent issue before, you know, and it took until this, leads me to have no confidence in him. >> i know no events are planned for today but we'll be watching to see what happens. >> those no confidence votes are due by november 30th. >> for more on what's happening at other schools across the country i'm joined by craig melvin. >> so we see ithaca and saw the university of missouri. a great deal happening at colleges and universities all over this country. let's start at howard university with a person a short time ago claiming to be -- claiming to be a student at the university of missouri made some threats against students at howard.
campus security taking those threats very seriously. they have increased security out of an abundance of caution at the school. and they've also increased security at nearby metro stations as well. the president of howard issuing a statement a short time ago encouraging the campus community to stay vigilant and to also report suspicious activity. howard, one of several colleges and universities where students have been wearing all black as a show of support and solidarity with student activists at missouri and elsewhere. in the past hour we've seen similar pictures coming from students at the university of dayton. there's that picture right there. columbia university here in new york city as well. you can see the students on the steps there. old dominion in norfolk, virginia. out west students seem to be organizing blackouts as well. this image coming in to us from you can la. a student there also from the university of arizona. much of what we're seeing and hearing on the internet appears
to be under the black on campus hashtag which has been one of the most popular hashtags on twitter in the past day or so. it was still trending on facebook as well. minority students speaking out about being marginalized or discriminated against at their respective colleges and universities using that hashtag. michael milledton, the new president at the university of missouri always creating a lot of buzz this afternoon. the one-time department of justice named interim head about 30 -- about an hour ago now. he just started trending as well. in addition to the responses we've been getting from students and faculty and staff and also from the campaign trail. bernie sanders, we should note, the only presidential candidate so far who has actually treated using that hashtag. here's the tweet that bernie sanders put up. this has been retweeted several times. i'm listening to the black on
campus conversation. it's time to address structural racism on college campuses. marco rubio weighing in as well earlier today. >> speech on campus seems to be under assault at some of the supposedly finest institutions in this country. in the case of missouri i'm still trying to figure out exactly what it is that got the president fired, what exactly did he do or say that was the reason he should have resigned. >> there you go, kate snow. so it goes. this appears to be a story that we continue to see unfold over the next few days and weeks. >> it's happening in realtime. you're following things that are popping up every hour. craig melvin, thanks so much. the government wants to ban smoking in all public housing units. hud secretary castro joins us live to explain. it's your grandpappy's hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. it meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines. but i'll be writing the code that will allow those machines to share information with each other. i'll be changing the way the world works.
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night's debate performance that earned him a lot of praise from the right. for more on the paul campaign, we'll turn to steve kornacki. he's got the campaign's chief strategist. >> that's a debate performance that got rand paul some much needed attention. but it's still unclear if that performance will do anything to his standing in the polls. the latest numbers have him at 5%. doug stafford joins me now from washington. doug, thanks for taking a few minutes. i want to start on the topic of immigration. it seems like a real battle is breaking out in this republican race on that topic. marco rubio now on the defensive. he once supported that gang of eight compromise in the senate, then walked away from it. he was asked about that today. and he basically said that every republican candidate running, whether it's him, whether it's ted cruz, whether it's your candidate rand paul, could be accused of supporting some form of amnesty. let me splay you what he said. >> first of all, everybody on that stage has supported the legalization of people in this
country that are here illegally. some of them define that as amnesty. i don't. ipg that's the forgiveness without consequence of a violation. my second point is i'm just trying to solve a problem. for 30 years we've been debating this. it's only gotten worse. >> i'm curious i know there was the point in time when rubio was part of the gang of eight but he walked away from that. is he right? is there not a big difference between marco rubio and rand paul when it comes to this issue? >> well, there's a few differences, actually, steve, during that time that senator rubio was part of the gang of eight, senator paul was proposing one of the toughest amendments which senator rubio voted against. it was called trust but verify. and it would have made sure that no possible reform went through before border security was established and voted on by congress. that's actually the most important criteria before you think about any reform to make sure the border is secure. the second major difference is senator rubio and paul had a
discussion on stage the other night about tax credits and about what that means and who they go to. one of the thins that senator paul was talking about today is that senator rubio's proposing to double the size of a tax cut program which the irs inspector general showed was $4 billion to illegal immigrants. and senator rubio wants to double that program. so there are several differences that i think are very clear. >> that topic of the deportation of the 11 million, 12 million, whatever the exact number is, of undocumented in this country. john kasich, jeb bush on that stage said that's unrealistic. is that unrealistic to talk about deporting every person in the country. >> there are ways to deal with the people here. first is senator paul believes you have to secure the border and have a system that doesn't reward the folks that have been here. if people want to get in line to
be part of this country and have work visases are to be allowed to stay here and work legally they can get into a legal line and don't get in in front of anybody else. >> i also want to shift gears and ask about isis. obviously the news out of beirut today are those twin bombings. isis is claiming at least responsibility for that. i know senator paul sort of rose to -- he got his reputation, i should say, on noninterventionism, the platform of noninterventionism. seeing overwhelming support among republicans for troops for boots on the ground in iraq and in syria. i wonder if that core message, that nonintervention message that rand paul has been spouting for his entire career has the rise of isis changed the climate in the republican party in terms of how receptive they are to that message? >> i don't think so. senator paul is in favor of less intervention and in favor of smarter intervention when we have to. he doesn't believe there should
be american boots on ground without arab boots -- he believes it should be arab boots on the ground. the americans can supply thins like air strikes like they have, but arab boots should be leading this coalition against isis. there's a lot of confusion over what's going on here. obviously, this is breaking news in libya -- in beirut, i'm sorry, but this appears to be an isis strike against a hezbollah-held area. you might think hezbollah and isis are both terrorist organizations and that would be true, but they're on opposite sides of a war in syria. a very confusing situation. we have groups fighting each other in places where there are often no good guys. and one of the major reasons we should be very careful before we insert ourselves into any civil wars in the region. >> i want to ask you about a topic we've been covering all day here and it's been making a lot of news lately. all the activism we're seeing on college campuses specifically at the university of missouri, you had donald trump coming out today saying he doesn't think that the president and chancellor should have resigned out there.
marco rubio saying the same thing. is that something senator paul agrees with? >> i haven't heard him comment on that. i don't think he'd have a specific comment of who should be in charge of the university of missouri. that's up to the people who are a part of the university. he said that campuses have been traditionally have been and should try to remain more of a free speech zone and whether places of different backgrounds can come together, diverse backgrounds and discuss issues in a matter that encourages free speech rather than discounselors it. >> doug stafford with the rand paul campaign. thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> kate, some interesting stuff. >> interesting. on that last point he used the term "free speech." we've heard that from many of the republican candidates talking about what's happening on college campuses. devoed that for us. why are they talking about free speech and some of the other terms, infantile, ben carson said, disgusting donald trump said. >> you're seeing a left/right,
red/blue difference. bernie sanders rallying behind the protesters, using the black on campus hashtag. for bernie sanders, the name of the game is he's got to drive up support with non-white voters. >> and younger, too. >> right. he's basically tied among white voters, and 60 points behind nonwhite voters. so he's rushing to these protesters. they're making such unreasonable demands right now they're actually being disruptive to free speech, being disruptive to the first amendment. that's why we see trump, rubio and maybe senator paul there, too. after ten suspected tornadoes touched down on wednesday, wind gusts today expected near 55 miles per hour. coming up who might be in the danger zone. and growing allegations of doping among russian athletes. now vladimir putin is calling for his own investigation.
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the winds around this low are strongest near the center here. and parts of the upper great lakes, the south facing shores is of lake superior, they're expecting snow there tonight. maybe as much as inches of snow. lots of cold air pouring in behind it. a large area that will see all of this wind that will continue across this area. the pacific northwest having their own problems, from today into saturday. another storm system coming into that area from the cascades, the olympic mountains. they're expecting 6 to 8 inches of snow, locally as much as 10 inches in the northern cascades, maybe a foot of snow in a few spots over the olympic range. they'll see rain with this as well. in the lower elevations around seattle, astoria and vancouver, looking at quite a bit of rain for you. the dangerous winds are moving through the great lakes. and that's the main issue that we're seeing here. across the southwest, though, night and quiet and temperatures are in the 70s from los angeles to phoenix, oklahoma city with
temperatures around 62 for today. in the east, we're going to see conditions start to improve in the northeast with the exception of the wind over much of the great lakes. so the severe weather is done for now, but we still have a lot of wind that we're going to have to deal with for the next 24 hours, kate. >> i'm looking closely at chicago. i'm headed there tomorrow. >> very windy. >> windy, windy. thank you so much. russian president vladimir putin is speaking out about the allegations of rampant widespread state-approved doping among russian olympic athletes. putin called for an investigation into those claims in a report this week that came from the world anti-doping agency. the fate of russian's 2016 olympic hopefuls could be decided tomorrow when the international association of athletic federations, that's the governing body for track and field, when they meet. and it could mean some u.s. athletes could benefit. joining me now phillip hirsch, olympic writer for "the chicago tribune." he's covered 17 olympic games.
thanks for being with us. >> thank you, kate. >> when putin said he's going to launch an internal investigation, are there fears that that won't maybe be as thorough as an international one? >> well, i mean, think about where that's coming from. the chances of that being an investigation that really reveals a lot seem really minimal to me given that putin has a lot to defend in this case. the allegations that some of his security agents and putin himself was an ex-kgb person. the fact that some of his security agents were infiltrating labs in sochi and moscow are really quite stunning. i'm not sure they're going to fess up to any of that stuff. >> the ioc president said that sanctions will be up to the international association of athletics federation, the track and field body we just mentioned and the world anti-doping agency. today russia ruled out boycotting the olympic games. where does that leave us? what do you think is going to happen? >> the international track
federation will in fact issue a provisional suspension of the russian track and field federation and tell them they have to clean up their act. what that means exactly is hard to determine. russia, the track federation said today that they are going to admit to some of the wrong doing, which is sort of like saying we were a little bit pregnant. they either admit to all of the wrong doing or none of the wrongdoing unless they have evidence that the charges against them are inaccurate. >> but not everyone on that track and field team is accused of doping, right? so a blanket ban, does that make sense or does that kind of go against what the olympics and the anti-doping agencies stand for? they stand for fairness. >> i saw earlier today that sergei bubka and the greatest pole vaulter of all time said that you don't punish innocent athlete. if you don't make a centurion kind of stand on a punishment, this will go on and on. it is unfortunate that some clean athletes might suffer, but you've got to do something or
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damages. >> and julian castro, secretary of housing and urban development, joins me now. thanks for being with us, mr. secretary. >> thanks a lot for having me. >> i think everybody appreciates the health benefits of not smoking. but one libertarian publication called this class-based paternalism in action. it is fair to regulate what people do in their homes? >> i think it's fair that public housing go smoke free and i'll tell you why. we have 760,000 children who are living in public housing and 330,000 seniors. and the fact is that public housing is oftentimes a housing of last resort. in other words, folks don't have a choice when they live there. they're living there because they're people of modest means. and so the question becomes, when they have to live in public housing, do we want that public housing to be an environment that is healthy or one where
760,000 children have to live in smoke filled rooms and smoke filled hallways and corridors and be harmed by second-handsmo. i believe that our public housing should go smoke free. >> did you consider separating people who want to smoke and people who want to be smoke free? having different corridors or areas? >> well, you know, the fact is a lot of our public housing is older, it is, i don't think, conducive to separating folks if that way, having a smoking and nonsmoking section. the good news is that more than 600 public housing authorities have gone smoke-free. and they've come up with innovative ways, i think practical, ways to accommodate folks who want to be able to smoke. for instance, some public housing authorities have set aside shelters that have seating where people who want to smoke
can smoke. kind of in the way you see in airports and in other places. so in this rule making process, we're going to consider the ability of public housing authorities to do things like that that are effective and for folks who do smoke if they're addicted to smoking. outlines a play place where they're able to do that but the hallways, corridors, the rooms that people live in, we believe that those ought to be smoke-free. >> would they be able to smoke outside of the building? >> reporter: they would. so the rule that we're considering would say, you have to be at least 25 feet away from one of the buildings. so this is not unlike what a lot of cities and private businesses do 15 feet, 20 feet. so we're not saying you cannot smoke ever anywhere near public housing. what we're saying is, it has to be 25 feet away from a building or, as i said, a lot of housing
authority in these communities have a designated place, shelter, where you can smoke. >> the point, as you said before, keep the kids safe safe, is what it's all about. >> yeah, specially our children in public housing. also our senior citizens. we hear from senior citizens, many of them who have respiratory issues. fact, in 2012, the new york housing authority did a survey and this was a -- of 1200 residents. but 35% of the head of households had a child in their household that had asthma or another respiratory issue, whether it's children or seniors we have so many folks in public housing who are going to benefit health wise if we make this change. >> thanks so much for your time today, sir. >> thanks for having me. custody bat until utah getting a lot of attention after a judge's ruling to remove a foster child from the home of a
same-sex couple. judge scott johansson a juvenile court judge in the 7th district ordered the child removed from the home. the couple says the judge cited research he said shows children do better when raised by heterosexual parents. joined by jennifer dobner. a case where a couple had a -- have a 1-year-old child, little girl, who has been with the family for three months. the couple on the screen, they want to adopt her. what happened? >> well, they do want to adopt her. the state is terminating the girl's parental rights some she's been in the home of april and becky for three months, as you said. routine hearing on tuesday, the judge asked becky and april to define their relationship for him. they told him that they are legally married, they've been married about a year, and that
they are licensed foster parents. and they explained it to me he didn't say anything until he issued his order he cited unspecific research and said that he felt that the research proved that children do better in the homes where there are heterosexual parents so he wanted the child removed. >> does he have that discretion in state of utah? what's the law in who can have foster kids and who can adopt. >> the law doesn't discriminate against same-sex parents in utah. if you are legally married a foster parent you can have children in your home. state attorneys are looking at this doed for the division of child and family services to see if there's any avenue for appeal. i should say -- >> they support this couple, right? the children and family services group, the case worker assigned to the child as an advocate for
the child they all want the child to stay with the couple? >> that's correct. and the child has a guardian ad litum the attorney that represents the chime the mother herself told the judge believes april and becky love her daughter as much as she does and wants her child in that home. >> the judge's 2014 performance evaluation we looked it up received a lower than average survey score for separation of his personal beliefs from his legal rulings. is this judge known around that part of the state for bringing his personal beliefs to the bench? >> he has had a couple of incidents in the past in which he got himself in a -- made himself vulnerable to criticism in 1997, i think it was, slapped a 16-year-old boy in the courtroom when that child became belligerent and le was punished by the judicial conduct commission for that. 2012, an incident in which he
punished a mother for her 13-year-old daughter's behavior by having the mother lop off the girl's ponytail after the girl had been involved in some harassment of another child. so he's -- he's had some incidents of kind of outside the boundaries judicial rulings. >> you have not heard from the judge specifically on this case, as i understand it. have you been able to read the order that he wrote? >> well, because this is happening in the context of juvenile court, the order is not immediately public. we have filed a motion seeking a copy of the order. we've not yet seen it i don't know how detailed it is. the court did tell us yesterday that they understood that the order was correct so far as it said that state child and family services has seven days to remove the child. i think they're making plans to do that, so not to run afoul of the judge's order but they also believe, under the law, this
couple can have this child and they're going to operate in the best interest of the child. so they could plan to fight this as well if they see that they have an avenue to do that. >> jennifer dobner, thanks so much for your time. >> my pleasure. coming up at top of the hour the death toll continues to rise in beirut. the latest on the deadly blast there. u.s. air power helps a major local offensive against isis in iraq. why the city at center is vital to militant supply routes and communications. university of missouri system names a new interim president following weeks of student protests over the school's hanldling of racism. >> time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. josie dance in fargo, north dakota is hard at work on sundays. companies in the downtown area are closed that day but josie supports the open sundays campaign. she wants people to have a place to shop every day of the week to help fargo thrive.
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others. according to our partners at flashpoint, isis has claimed responsibility for the attacks. those claims have not been verified by nbc news. in just the last hour, the u.s. embassy in lebanon strongly condemned the attacks and offered condolences to the victims' families. nbc news foreign correspondent joins me live from the region in cairo, egypt. what do we flow know at this po? >> reporter: details very much trickling in but it seems according to lebanese sources, local lebanese immediatia, government officials that this may have been a multiple suicide attack and it seems to have at least involved two individuals who were capable or able of detonating their bombs in addition to a third individual who was intent on detonating his bomb ultimately taken in by the crowd and by security personnel there on the ground. as you mentioned, the death toll continues to rise, continues to climb. the death toll stands at 41
people, according to the lebanese house ministry. more than 200 or so injured and still there are ambulance workers, medical workers going through the scene of the bomb attack to try to determine what, if more, casualties. in the claim of responsibility, our partners, flash point, in have for now confirmed that isis has claimed responsibility through online portals that are believed to be credible and legitimate. right now no details about the specifics of how that attack was carried out have emerged. a lot of footage emerged on social media showing the aftermath in the skicale of devastation of the attack. took place in southern beirut neighborhood, several neighborhoods in southern part of beirut have very strong hezbollah presence but it seems in this area where this attack took place most of those so far that have been killed have been identified as civilians.
so it's still at this stage very developing situation that is coming out of beirut. >> hezbollah and isis on opposite sides of the conflict. so what would it mean if this was indeed an isis attack? what does that mean in terms of the region, lebanon, and the syrian civil war? >> reporter: well, no doubt about it that there's no love loss between isis and hezbollah. fact, not just that but hezbollah and many other predominantly sunni factions fighting inside syria. hezbollah has been a big supporter not just militarily but morally and politically supporting the assad regime, which has been in full blown civil war over the past several years against isis and against other sunni militant groups. they have been fighting each other on the battlefields with syria and exchanging, if you will, proxy attacks inside lebanon. this is not the first time this area of beirut has been attacked and it's reminiscent really of very dangerous and troubling
times that lebanon went through during its own civil war. importantly, what they're seeing, a lot of lebanese analysts described what they're seeing in terms of the battlefield picture inside syria, constantly being reflected on the situation in lebanon, where both militant groups perhaps like al qaeda groups and others and terrorist groups like isis and those groups taking out carrying out attacks inside parts of lebanon dominated or strongholds of hezbollah. >> thanks so much. evan kohlmann, on the phone with us now, nbc news terrorism analyst. evan, isis claiming response. what are your sources telling you? >> yeah, it's an official claim of responsibility. it was posted on the main isis or one of the main isis web forms by official couriers. so it's not really much of a question whether or not isis issued. this is definitely a claim of credit. the question is, is it credible the claim itself? did they really do it?
they specify the target south bray route, stronghold of hezbollah, as they describe it. what they say, and this is interesting, they say that there were only two bombings, only one suicide bomber, again, according to the communique and one of the bombings was carried out by a motorcycle bomb. so one of the things that is interesting, trying to reconcile here details that are provided with what actually happened. and whether or not they're trying to, you know, cover over, conceal the fact that perhaps a third operative was arrested, you know, before he carried out his attack. one of the interesting parts trying to figure out whether or not this is something that came from syria or whether or not there's a genuine now isis network within lebanon capable of carrying out regular attacks inside lebanon. we've seen pinpricks before, not on this scale, but bombings carried out by al nusra and other groups, nothing approaching this, nothing consistent, nothing regular. certainly isis would have much
to gain by distracting from some of its recent losses, not just what we've seen on tv in iraq but near aleppo, elsewhere. these are very good propaganda victories for the group. obviously gibbs them a chance to strike hezbollah at home the same way that hezbollah has been trying to strike isis in its headquarters up in northern western syria. evan kohlmann, appreciate it. i want to bring in cal paerry i new york. you know the neighborhood. when we look at pictures and it's dark and hard to tell what kind of a street that is, give us a sense. >> it's very compact. ayman talking about the civilians in the neighborhood and that's an important point to make to viewer. it's a hezbollah stronghold, we use the word strong hold to tell you hezbollah officials live there, also a media office, all foreign should check in when
they arrive there, it's highly controlled by hezbollah. what's interesting in the attack, one of the things that's going to come out, the message what was hit. the fact that bombers were able to penetrate this neighborhood is like hitting hezbollah in their own backyard. >> not necessarily a war zone, right? this is an area that there were a lot of people walking around, what, 6:00 at night there? >> right. a very busy time, people headed home from work, also a marketplace and beirut. a mile away, beachfront property, people sitting outside drinking wine and bombs going off on the other side of the city. this is the legacy of beirut in so many ways. you heard the civil war between 1975 and 1990 this was a daily occurrence. if you're trying to make a statement fighting isis, remember the head of hezbollah in june declared open war on isis, if you want to drive a wedge in society, this will do it. >> cal perry, appreciate it. major developments in the fight against isis, in another
area, at least 13 isis-linked terrorist suspects have been arrested across europe in a massive multinational operation. they're accused of being part of online network to radicalize fighters and send them to the middle east with setting up a caliphate in kurdistan. let's me bring in claudio where the operation was coordinated. >> reporter: we know what investigators have been telling us most of the members arrested today were originally from iraq, and they're living in europe some time. living in italy, uk, finland, norway, and even switzerland. now their leader, the founder of the new terrorist network, he's been known to authorities since 2001. he in iraq and kurdistan founded
a sn sunny insurgent group. he fled to norway granted political asylum but arrested after that for inciting hatred and violence. investigators believe that he was able to not only create but also lead this network behind, from behind bars. the members of the communicating among each other through internet, web chat, through websites, and the main purpose recruit foreign fighters to fight alongside isis in syria. investigators believe some died in combat. but also they said organizing some terrorist attack in norway and the middle east, kate. >> thank you so much. in iraq, kurdish fighters launched a massive offensive to retake the isis-held town of sinjar today, backed by u.s. air strikes peshmerga fighters
closed in on the key strategic town. let me bring in jim miklaszewski at the pentagon. jim, an area that we talked about, what a year and a half ago, when first seizes by isis. >> right. at that time, n at that time is threatening the people that occupied that area. many trapped on mountaintops and the u.s. had to drop in relief emergency supplies, water, food, before the isis fighters at t bottom of the mountains were driven away. the kurdish fighters, thousands, are trying to retake, seize back, the city of sinjar held by several hundred, we're told, isis fighters. now the issue is, though they're outnumbered, those fighters are dug in to sinjar, trenches, ied bomb traps. so it could take some time and be very difficult to retake that city. at the same time, massive air
strikes from the u.s. military in an effort to support that operation. special operations forces, a small number, are embedded with the leaders of the fighters there trying to take out the enemy in sinjar. we're told that those americans are small in number back at a remote headquarters with those kurdish leaders and are nowhere near the battlefield. they say for the time being, anyway, they're well out of danger. >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thanks so much. for more, let me bring in kevin behren. we've gone through a lot of information here. i want to ask you about what mik was talking about, this effort in sinjar. how strategically important is that town to the u.s.? >> so, it's important to isis
because it's right in between ro raqqah and mosul, the northern iraqi town where americans have been helping the iraqi forces and all of the other local forces to slowly get their act together to eventually mount a campaign to retake mosul. so the idea, according to the pentagon, this is to cut off the supply route to isis, cut off any transit between the two towns. i thought mik was describing, they have inserted american special operators helping kurds on the ground come in from the mountain down to the road and really, you know, first real, i think, sizable action in this war that we've seen in a war. >> i want to play a little bit of sound from the pentagon press secretary, peter cook, talking about what role u.s. advisers are playing in this effort. >> most of those folks, as i understand it, are in -- behind the front lines, as advising and
working directly with peshmerga commanders. some advisers on sinjar mountain assisting in this selection of air strike targets. they are not acting as jtacs but working directly with peshmerga forces in determining where the most effective air strikes would be conducted. >> we got some pentagon lingo there. translate it for us. what does that mean american troops are actually having to do? >> great question. and i was at that briefing, man, did we press peter cook to explain it. are americans calling in air strike for the kurdish fighters on the ground or are the kurds doing it themselves? we had double speak, yes, they are and no, they aren't or they're working together. so in short, jtac, air traffic controllers really, for their special operators, specializes units with specialized training and it's a cape ability that u.s. military commanders long ago first asked for but were
told not yet because it meant putting americans on the front lines, like we're seeing now, very close to fighting. so the pentagon is very careful to say these aren't technically jtecs but sound like they're doing what they do. it's surprising to hear the pentagon still dancing around the language of war. you know, it's a war. it's combat. it's a major operation. they're still trying to say americans are not involved though right there on the mountain. >> kevin baron, thanks so much, appreciate it. a new interim leader in place at the university of missouri as students at ithaca college walking out of class yesterday demanding change and inclusion on their campus. national urban league president joins me next to discuss what's going on, where we go from here, and the campus protests catching eye of 2016 candidates hear what donald trump has to say. new developments follow ang msnbc exclusive, family of a
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let me make it clear, though, one thing will not be tolerated and that is harmful or hurtful action to any members of our university community. any incidents will be addressed swiftly and any party involved held accountable for their action. >> mike middleton, he's the newly appointed interim president of the university of missouri system. the announcement comes in the
wake of student protestifies and a swell of racial tension on school campus which led to tim wolfe's resignation days ago. sarah do sarah dollof joins me. >> reporter: middleton retired this summer but that's short lived as he steps into his duties as systems president immediately. he got his undergraduate and law degree here, taught here, held leadership positions worked offcampus as a trial lawyer of the department of justice. at the press conference this afternoon, announcing his appointment he spoke to the media about his first priorities here. >> it is imperative that we hear all of our students and do everything we can to make them comfortable and safe in our community. >> reporter: student activist group concerned student 1950,
that started the protests and this movement, they tweeted out their support of him and his leadership. we want to switch gears and touch on that 19-year-old man, hunter park, accused of posting those online threats that rattled the school yesterday, prompting some students to leave campus, others to miss clasp he made his first appearance in court today. also getting court documents that reveal that heed admitted authorities copying some language used believed to have been written by the oregon community shooter. when they asked him why he did it, he said he had a deep interest in that case. >> thank you. to upstate, new york, students and faculty at ithaca college held a walk-out, calling for their president to step down amid what they're sayings a lack of proper attention to incidents of racism on their campus. erica hill is on campus and joins us with the latest.
>> reporter: hi, kate. that walk-out happened yesterday. about 1,000 people involved. and it involves prolonged moment of silence. some students laid down doing what they refer tos a die-in. by all accounts well received on campus. students we talked to, whether participated or not, welcomed the presence and happy to see expression. i did speak with the president of the university, there have been calls, as you mentioned, for him to step down. the student organization as well as faculty council both initiated no confidence vote in terms of his serving here, continuing as president. he has said he does not at this point see what would cause him, what the threshold would be for him to step down. he only sees that happening if the plans that he's put in place aren't able to be carried out. he said he's energized by the reaction and by what he's seen on campus in terms of students speaking out. not a lot of students have had a chance to react to that yet. we want to bring in one student
now. with a group here on campus, cross campus consciousness. you heard me say a little bit what president roshon has to say. he feels it's a great time for there to be conversation, open to talking with students. have you been able to reach out and are you able to have a conversation with him? >> i feel like as a student body we haven't been able to individually reach out to him. there is a way to submit anonymous reports that we can hear back to. but i'm not sure who's answering the reports. >> reporter: something you might want to address with him. we had a report from a reporter in missouri, there's been a lot of solidarity expressed between the different campuses. you've been reaching out to a lot of your friends at different campuses to organize similar events, correct? >> yes. the main purpose of our whole sole darety to end this anti-neoliberal higher institution of education who only cares about profit and not students or faculty. at the end of the day we want
students to have respect and dignity from the institution because they make it seem like a business. yes, we know we're kind of their customers, but at the end we also want what's best, dignity and just to be able to be here safely. >> reporter: do you have any more events planned? >> right now we have events planned for next week. i'm not sure what they're going to unveil yet. we have a facebook page that will keep the student body in the loop. >> reporter: people of color at ithaca college helped organize the walk-out. kate, we'll know about na student vote of no confidence november 30th. the student body president tells me on that day as well, they're going to release a new student bill of rights hoping to help amend some of the current measures that are here on campus. >> okay. erica hill reporting from ithaca. for more on what to make of the rising racial tensions of the demonstrations we're seeing across the u.s. on college campuses, joins by mark morial,
president and ceo of the national urine leagban league. start with the comments from 2016 candidates, donald trump, what he makes of what happened at university of missouri. let's listen. >> i think it's disgusting. two people that resigned are weak, ineffective people. i think that when they resign they set something in motion that's going to be a disaster for a long period of time. they were weak, ineffective people. trump should have been chancellor of the university. >> so unfortunate. >> did you look at their demands? like crazy. demands, the things they're asking for, many of those things are like crazy. >> i'll let you respond. >> donald trump is out of touch with today's college campuses, with today's students. once again, he introduces division. he introduces invective and
attacks the young students. these young students ought to be, if you will, applauded for exercising their first amendment rights to stand up on these college campuses for what they believe is right and what campus they want to see. it's remarkable, i think, kate, not only did we see students but we saw student athletes who are scholarship athlete whose took a bold and courageous stand there in missouri. this point, once again, some of the challenges we have as a nation, i'm just glad to see students stepping up, doing it, peacefully, doing it in the proudest traditions of what i would call first amendment america. so the important thing for universities is to understand that why things crested the way they did in missouri was the inaction and compare and contrast what happened in missouri to what president david
boren did almost a year ago, where he responded swiftly, forcefully, and said there would be zero tolerance on that campus for that fraternity chant that took place there. >> you thought it was totally appropriate for the president to step down as he did this week. your view of the new interim president? >> i spofr tupport the interim president. he has the background, if you will experience, part of the community. yet he's got a grounding as a civil rights lawyer. i believe that it's a good choice. certainly i think everyone should close ranks behind him as he takes steps necessary. the key is what real changes are going to take place on that campus. and i think it's important for there not to be a long period of deliberation but action steps in a short term. >> craig melvin here earlier, going through all kinds of photos that we've gotten in from all over the country of student activists, black and white,
joining forces and coming out in support of missouri. what do you make of what this moment is right now? are we in a new civil rights era? >> young people in the 1960s stood up on college campuses for civil rights against the vietnam war, in the 1980s stood up against apartheid and fought for divestment. we may be at a new point where young people are finding their voice, they're going to assert themselves, they're going to talk about the kind of america, type of institutions we want to have. and we need to embrace it, if you will, even if people say, i may not agree with every single demand they make, that isn't the point. the point is, and i would say, kate, look at photos, these are black students, white students, men and women, hispanics, asians, a cross-cultural movement of students on these college campuses. people should not detract or distract from the idea that these students have a right, i
think, to speak up. >> mark morial, thanks so much. breaking news in florida where the officer who shot and killed a well-known local musician has been fired. but the investigation into the death of corey jones is far from over. also a follow-up on an msnbc exclusive, a virginia man dies after being tased many times. his family in court today. the app where you put fruit hats on animals? i love that! guys, i'll be writing code that helps machines communicate. (interrupting) i just zazzied you. (phone vibrates) look at it! (friends giggle) i can do dogs, hamsters, guinea pigs... you name it. i'm going to transform the way the world works. (proudly) i programmed that hat. and i can do casaba melons. i'll be helping turbines power cities. i put a turbine on a cat. (friends ooh and ahh) i can make hospitals run more efficiently... this isn't a competition!
developments out of the florida where the officer who shot and killed local musician corey jones last month has been fired by the city. jones was on the side of the road after his car broke down when officer raja approached him in an unmarked police car and street clothes. that's when an argument allegedly ensued ending with the officer fatally shooting jones. mark potter is following the latest from miami. >> kate, the city of palm beach
gardens fired 38-year-old officer raja last night but didn't announce until this afternoon. he joined the force in april, he was still win the one-year probationary period which made it easier than normal for him to be fired. the city gave no specific reason for the dismissal but in a statement this afternoon said, quote, the independent criminal investigation into the officer-involved shooting that occurred october 18, 2015, is ongoing and the city there continue to cooperate with all agencies involved. the shooting of corey jones, who police said was carrying a weapon, as he was broken down on the highway at 3:00 a.m. along i-95 as been controversial with his family and others demanding answers and accountable. today his family issued a statement, saying in part, quote, while we are pleased the city of palm beach gardens has terminated the employment of the officer who gunned down corey
jones, we maintain that the officer in question also must be criminally liable, must be held crimely liable for reckless actions that night, end quote. the president of the local police union defended the officer, he was disappointed by the firing, surprised by it saying, quote, nothing prompted this. the criminal investigation, separate from the city firing issue, investigation into the shooting is being conducted by the fbi, the state attorneys office and the palm beach county sheriff's office. they have given no indications where they stand on this, what they may have learned or concluded and no indication of how much longer the investigation will go. >> nbc's mark potter in miami. thanks so much. we have developments now in that msnbc exclusive. ari melber broke the story, first civil suit hearing in the case of linwood lambert jr.
he's the virginia man who died in police custody after being repeatedly tased by police. msnbc chief legal correspondent broke the story, he joins us with the latest. >> yeah, basically, we had a hearing, first hearing since the tapes became public in our report yesterday, as you mentioned. and the main headline coming out of this hearing, these parties are not about to settle. we have seen cases of alleged police brutality, departments pay out arc ward it doesn't go to trial, it doesn't take as long. a hearing which had disagreements back and forth between the lawyers and a private sort of setting in the judge's chambers they came back out and they left. basically ready to continue going towards a trial date of next year. no indication from the new hearing after the video's out they are closer to any resolution. >> nothing new out of the police or the police union in. >> no. we've reached out to the police department as well as lawyers that we spoke to as well as state police who conducted the investigation. i reached out personally to
every police union in virginia, sometimes they feel more situated to discuss an officer's perspective while they're not directly involved as defendants but they haven't respond either. >> what about government officials? a small town, remind us, southern virginia. >> southern, by the carolina line. >> anybody said -- your video's been everywhere since yesterday. it's shocking to watch. anybody reacted? >> we reached out as soon as we broke the story middle of the day yesterday and last night and this morning, and i can tell you, at this point now, having it been over a day, we've made contact, governor terry mcauliffe, no official statement about any of this, reached out to both offices of senators there, no statement of any kind yet, although we've invited them to provide any input or thought they want to about this than would be tim kaine and mark warner. i made a call myself to check in with and the mayor in and his office.
he has no comment on it. he'll have no comment whatsoever on it. i said, others in the community having seen the video are talking about. anything he would say. they said no. they would prefer, mayor, prefer reporters are don't call us will linwood lambert's death. >> because there's a court case and people don't want to be involved? >> you raise an important, subtly. it's clear, i can say this as an attorney. there are some things you can't and shouldn't say when there's an open proceeding if you're a government official. no obligation to avoid any discussion whatsoever. as we know from other cases from the president on down to congress, there are discussions about this from a policy view without prejudge the outcome of a criminal proceeding. covering this, i was surprised that mayor's office reacted that way, saying don't call anymore at all, we have nothing to say. for the senators and governor, we await to hear what they might say. >> ari melber following that.
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of the h 1 v program. i don't think our positions are dramatically different. >> for more on the immigration back and forth, hallie jackson in hilton head island, south carolina. a lot of back and forth about what their positions are here. >> reporter: yep. this is something that is really risen to the top in the republican race, not just with ted cruz and marco rubio but other candidates as well, not realizing this is going to become heated over the next few days and for a lot of this campaign. so all of this, of course, stems from ted cruz talking about people who are pro amnesty. he came out strongly against that. he's been against that. but he talked about this without mentioning rubio by name. i asked marco rubio about that here in south carolina. listen to his response, then we'll talk about the position. >> first of all, everybody on that stage has supported legalization of people in this country that are illegal. every single one of them supported than some of them define that as amnesty.
i don't know, i think amnesty is forgiveness without consequence of a violation. i'm trying to solve a problem. 30 years we've been debating this. it's only gotten worse. >> reporter: so senator cruz's campaign has said essentially what marco rubio is saying is laughably false, untrue. a spokesman defined amnesty offering a pathway to citizenship or legalization for people who have broken the law, another aide said senator cruz is not going to have a discussion what to do with people living here illegally until the current system, enforce the laws that we have in place, until the border is secure and visa overstays are taken care of. interesting in light of an amendment that a lot of folks are talking about that senator cruz proposed back in 2013, when the comprehensive immigration reform bill was being talked about in congress. marco rubio was an architect of the bill. at the time, cruz proposed stripping that bill of its pathway to citizenship although
it would have left legal status provisions in place. cruz has said himself and his campaign reiterates that was essentially a messaging amendment. they're saying that was a strategy in order to try to expose what they called the hypocrisy of the democrats being unwilling to compromise on that bill. all of this to say, kate, it's become very heated on the campaign trail. the 30,000 view, the bigger picture look here, these are two candidates who ultimately could potentially end up as two guys in the gop primary that republican primary voters will decide between. >> it is the issue of the day for sure. donald trump likes to say if it wasn't for him, nobody would be talking about immigration. so what does the trump camp say about this? katy tur in iowa. hi. >> reporter: hey there the trump camp silent about the immigration debate and said trump has been tweeting all day about a "wall street journal" editorial tweeting attacks on them, didn't think it was fair,
tweeting attacks on karl rove. he tweeted one thing about immigration, on ben carson, saying candidate ben carson said he likes amnesty and a pathway to citizenship. this is because yesterday carson called out trump for deportation plan saying it wasn't pragmatic it wasn't a republican party stance and claimed it wouldn't help him, only end up hurting him. carson has said in past you can't round all of these people up but you need to register them in some way. he has said he done want them to be given citizenship, not the right to vote. he doesn't want them to get the goodies, as he calls it, being able to vote or a citizen in the country. but notably he has been -- >> sorry. >> reporter: -- silent on the rubio and cruz fight all day. campaign taking a backseat to watch them battle it out. see where that goes. we do expect to hear him talk more about that tonight at the rally here in ft. dodge.
as for the hb 1 visa program, he does talk about that in his policy paper on his website, immigration policy paper, saying you should raise the prevailing wage hb1s to force companies to hire within the united states instead of companies hiring outside the states, tech jobs hired, people brought in, shipped in from overseas to get low-wage tech jobs. he thinks if you raise the wage for those jobs, you'll end up hiring more in the states and create better jobs and more jobs here. >> okay. sorry for interrupting you briefly. live television. what are you going to do? appreciate it. want to talk about something that donald trump has talked about a lot and that is talking about eisenhower's immigration policy as a model for his own policy. it's gotten a lot of attention over the last couple of days. he mentioned it in the debate, yesterday. steve kornacki's here to walk us through what was the policy, whys. >> blowback to donald trump?
>> talk about unlikely issues to come up in a presidential campaign. talking about something that happened in 1954, more than 60 years ago. the crux is this, donald trump stands alone among republican candidates now in saying you know what? those 11 million, 12 million undocumented, it's not impractical to deport them all. you can remove them all. he know you can do that because dwight eisenhower did it back in the 1950s, that's when he was talking about in debate. what he's referring to, it's an unfortunately thing called operation wetback, that is a pejorative term, this was 60-plus years ago in use. eisenhower announced this june 1954. this was a program that was created in cooperation, between the eisenhower administration and the mexican government. there were millions of undocumented mexicans working as laborers in the united states. eisenhower said the border, law and order at border being flouted.
agribusiness using workers had an alliance with authorities on the american side letting workers in because of the big agrabusiness wanted them. the mexican government wanted workers back in mexico to help grow mexico's economy. they came up with a program. 750 agents who spread out across the southwest and forcefully rounded up undocumented workers who were in this country. specific part of the plan, though, they didn't just return them to the border. the idea was to return them deep into mexico, so they would not just cross the border once again. now how successful was the program? this is interesting. the ins claims this resulted in 1.3 million deportations in just a year. not all of those were people who were apprehended and brought back. some of those were people they said who essentially self-deported, saw what was going on, they fled become across the mexican border. actual statistics on this, though, legitimate statistics tough to come by. there wasn't a lot of recordkeeping with the program.
this was something that did not get a lot of fanfare. a lot kept quiet. the harsh conditions that those rounded up faced. some of them brought back to mexico by ship, there was a congressional report in this period that likened the conditions to slave ship conditions, drownings, people who jumped overboard trying to cape and drowned. one incident people dropped off after a long bus trip in central mexico, 125 degree heat, 88 died of heat stroke. terrible conditions that many people were forced to endure. what was the long-term implication of this? the program lasted for about two years. part of the trade-off of the program was in exchange for deportations liberalized a guest worker perhaps. that lasted for a few years. that caused a backlash. we entered into starting in the mid 1960s, what we're still dealing with today, reduced guest worker program and a lot of illegal crossings.
that's where we are for the last 50 years. >> all wondering when we heard mention of it in the debate what was this program. steve, thanks so much. coming up, breaking news in the sow called good fellas robbery trial. the jury has reached a verdict against the 80-year-old charged in connection with the heist. ok, we're here. here's dad. mom. the twins. aunt alice... you didn't tell me aunt alice was coming. of course. don't forget grandpa. can the test drive be over now? maybe just head back to the dealership? don't you want to meet my family? yep, totally.
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murder and of course they said they played a major role in the lufthansa robbery depicted as we all know in the movie "good fellas" accused him and several mob associates of the robbery where the robbers went in looking for 2 million and came out with 6 million in cash and jewels. i can tell you, indicate, on a couple of occasions, inside the courtroom, sitting feet away from me, he would turn around, look at his attorneys and lash out at them, they weren't doing enough, not cross-examining the witnesses enough. today he stands not guilty on all counts. >> i have to ask, i remember when he was arrested, we all -- there was so much evidence presented by law enforcement saying this is our guy. how did the defense win this one? >> they didn't do a lot of cross-examining, kate but they did cross-examine very thoroughly one mob turncoat. his cousin, valenti, and they basically, during closing arguments, basically called him a liar. how can you trust this guy? he's received $178,000 from the
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