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states stands with france in the fight against terror. >> this is a heartbreaking situation. obviously those of us in the united states know what it's like. we've gone through these kinds of episodes ourselves. when ever these kinds of attacks happened, we've always been able to count on the french people to stand with us. they have been and extraordinary counter-terrorism partner. we intend to be there with them in that same fashion. >> at this point, there has been no claim of responsibility by any terrorist group, however, witnesses to the attacks have claimed one or more of the suicide bombers claimed they were killing in the name of isis. french authorities are trying to figure out if these koocoordina attacks were carried out by french citizens like the "charlie hebdo" attacks in early january. as the sun comes up this morning, there are many unanswered questions and details
that authorities are trying to solve. here is what we know. the first attacks happened outside paris the soccer stadium, three explosions occurred just before halftime. next, reports of gunfire at four restaurants where diners reported gunmen carrying weapons ran out of cars and shot people outside and inside the restaurants before getting back into their vehicles and driving away. those shootings left at least 44 people dead. the largest attack of the night, the gunman at the le bataclan theater holding hostages killing more than 100 people and injured dozens more. french president hollande spoke to the nation last night where he unveiled emergency measures to prevent further violence including closing the country's borders and declaring a state of emergency. >> the state of emergency is for the entirety of france and the second is to close all the french borders. we need to make sure no one can
enter france to commit any acts whatsoever. we also want to make sure any who is there that might have committed those heinous crimes can be apprehended if they try to leave france. >> i want to bring in nbc's kelly, from london. everybody is in shock and morning as to the reality is in france. tell us a little bit of what you're hearing the reporting coming out of there. >> as of last night, i believe this is still the case this morning, french president fra e francois could an emergency meeting, one of the big challenges aside from figuring out where these attacks originated and the people behind these attacks is to find some way to make this city feel safe
again. you have the potential of accomplices being at large, the idea that these attackers may have been part of some cell and may have had help acquiring these weapons, they could have potentially been directed from the outside, from some sort of outside group. one of the big challenges as france's leaders try to figure out the next steps, make the city safe again and move toward a stage it can open up again. as we mentioned earlier today, much of the city is in shock and sort of in lock down this morning. people are being advised to stay home. the metro is closed. all public buildings are closed, muse museums, parks, all of these places where people usually go and spend a saturday in paris, closed today, as this
investigation moves into the next phase. who were these eight attackers? how did they carry out these deadly horrific attacks? >> all right. kelly cobiella, reporting from london. thank you for the update. i want to bring in the nbc editor from our desk, cal perry. when it comes to who is responsible, coming on a saturday morning where so much evidence is out there from six of these separate locations throughout the city of paris at the stadium, the concert hall, restaurants and cafes, when you see this level of sophistication, the coordination they went through, some say you know what, it's the hallmark of al qaeda. we're hearing possibly isis, too. what is your take away knowing at this point still no claim of responsibility? >> i think what kelly said is very interesting unfortunately we have a bit of precedence, after the charlie hebdo shootings we saw a female
supporter of those gunmen leaving france making it all the way to syria. that's why the boreders are now closed. the investigators will go through this and find out if there was any supporting those attackers and if there was they want to roll up those cells. they've been talking about the possibility one of the suicide vests didn't go off. that could be a treasure trove for investigators as they try to piece this together. >> let's talk about social media and online chatter that may be out there. i'm sure all investigators may be looking at that will point to that and making sure it is authentic and valid. >> right. the authentic attacks we know are linked to isis. they started praising the attacattack attacks using the # in arabic isis paris is on fire. the simpler the attack the
sooner they tend to take responsibility. >> we've seen that in beirut, the russian jetliner as well. it was right after. there were multiple claims. it wasn't just one saying, hey, isis we did it, we saw it multiple times. >> immediate claims came out right away and boasting about these attacks. this is a more complex one. whoever is behind it, be it isis or al qaeda and investigators potentially fear it's a combination of both, they're going to want to prove that they did it and they want to show a little bit of how they did it because that will bring more fear to france and spread more fear and that's partly what's behind these attacks. this was a neighborhood young kids gravitate to on a friday night headed to a rock concert or soccer game, the breaking up of everyday routinroutine. >> it's interesting you look at these attacks in that these are where the locals go, parisians
go, neighborhood areas, not necessarily the ive felt tower where it's high traffic areas and tourists would go. >> one of the potential reasons for that, this was a soft target, a place where there is not a high level of security like you have around some of the landmarks in paris. we know the security forces had to shift to the west to react to this attack and based on eyewitness attacks took them 20 minutes to get there and that may have been part of the calculation. when you get into that level of sophistication you're talking reconnaissance on targets and operational security effect. keeping this quiet would have been very difficult. >> the toughest part for people who survived this, already mo n mourning the loss of somebody they know was in fact one of the 120 people dead and those still looking hoping to look for a loved one is how did this happen. january we had "charlie hebdo,"
already a city on edge, august, the gunman on the train from amsterdam to paris. okay, that happened, how can we make sure this doesn't happen again and measures should have been done but wasn't. >> this will open the pandora's box on the crisis of refugees and shouldn't be. probably 99.9% of refugees are fleeing violence like this. people are already lashing out and we're seeing negative co comments about refugees and seeing people take to social media across europe and saying this is a time to reassess our immigration policy. >> more to come on that as we continue this discussion this morning, as we try to find out more of the investigators there in paris trying to piece together how this happened and who may be responsible. cal perry, msnbc editor of our discovery desk. thank you. we'll check back on you.
in the lively areas of paris neighborhoods on a friday night, we were talking with cal would have been packed with young people. a freelance journalist was st staying in an apartment near one of the restaurants where gunfire erupted and earlier described the experience walking outside the apartment after the attack. >> reporter: i'm in an apartment nearby, walk outside, a bustling nightclub area and bars and restaurants around. i see a gathering of people and i thought a minor police activity no big deal. then i saw police officers holding guns hunched behind vans like a scene behind a movie. it was just as it occurred, a couple police cars and firefighters and then dozens and police hiding behind vans and word spread there's a shooter loose in the neighborhood. that's when i split. a gentleman 30 years old with a towel wrapped around his hand,
bleeding out of his hand. you can hear it behind me now. they're going really fast down the street. that car is going very very fast. it's a neighborhood that has people out and about getting drunk, partying, doing things. you see police activity your first thought is there was a fight at a bar, not there was a sho shooting. >> there was not. thousands of soccer fans gathered at stayd de france. and one of those was jonathan johnson, an espn reporter and recounted what happened when the explosions went off. >> there was bang very audible in the stadium. watching football in paris being a regular, one of paris, a big football team, hearing that sort of sound normally during a game
is not something that could be allowed. it's quite a regular occurrence however never as loud as it was this evening. that first bang was then followed up relatively quickly by a second and third one before halftime. after the second one it became quite obvious this wasn't a regular firecracker noise, this was something a little more serious. considering that there was a bomb threat made on the germany national hotel earlier in the day, people already were starting to get a little bit edgy. this was before halftime. around about halftime that's when the reports started to filter through there had been an attack. over halftime, reports started to come through with more details. first of all, we weiere led to believe it was an explosion and
then a mail bomb was mentioned and eventually a suicide attack was also mentioned. and then during the halftime break, that's when the news about what was going on elsewhere in paris got through to us. the second half and it was an erie atmosphere because a lot of us in the press knew what was going on and some spectators knew about it and some didn't return to the second half and some did and others had no idea what was going on. france was 1-0 at halftime and then scored a second goal 2-0. and people were cheering very vo vi vifrrously and it was clear they didn't know what was going on in paris. it was after the announcement made over the system at the stadium people started to suspected maybe something was not quite right outside the
stadium. although certain areas of the stadium were allowed to leave immediately after the match and some areas people had to stay behind and then you saw pictures of the people on the pitch of stade de france. they were there a half hour and eventually allowed to leave the stadium. when i left the stadium about an hour ago the germany national team hadn't left. as i understood it, the french team had. there was a real sense of disbelief within the journalist but also the people who had gone to watch the match tonight. >> jonathan, in terms of the security situation in the stadium, i know that the french president was among the many thousands of people there who were watching. was there increased security because of that? what sort of security did you have to go through to get in tonight? >> well, there was, you know,
there was a lot of security to begin with. as i mentioned earlier there was already the bomb threat made on the germany national team hotel. already security was high for the pre-match. then, after the event or as it was unfolding more and more security became visible inside this stadium, i should add, i am led to believe that after the second explosion, which was approximately 20 minutes into the match, they had been evacuated from the stadium. like i said, it was roundabout halftime midway through the match we really began to start discovering the extent of the attack. it wasn't until much after the game had finished that we really discovered exactly how atrocious this attack on paris had been because of what happened.
>> just one of the many riveting account of stories of terror around them and attacks throughout their city, six separate leaving at least 120 dead, including eight of the attack attackers. we'll be back with more repo reporting on the terror attacks in paris. keep it right here on msnbc for the latest developments. 0
not long after the horri horrifying attacks in paris, president obama appeared at the white house for a brief statement in which he described a quote outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians as well as all-out attack on all of human humanity. after these remarks he spoke on the phone with the french president hollande about the
french people. >> i just want to make a few brief comments about the attacks across paris tonight. puns again, we have seen an outrageous attempt to terrorize innocent civilians. this is an attack not just on paris. it's an attack not just on the people of france. but this is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values that we share. we stand prepared and ready to provide whatever assistance that the government and the people of france need to respond. france is our oldest ally. the french people have stood shoulder to shoulder with the united states time and again. we want to be very clear that we stand together with them in a fight against terrorism and extremism. paris itself represents the timeless values of human
progress. those who think that they can terrorize the people of france or the values that they stand for are wrong. the american people draw strength from the french people's commitment to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. we're reminded in this time of tragedy that the bonds of libertye and paternitye are not only values of the french people care so deeply about but they're values that we share. those values will endure far beyond any act of terrorism or the hateful vision of those who perpetrated the crimes this evening. we're going to do whatever it takes to work with the french people and with nations around the world to bring these terrorists to justice and to go after any terrorist networks that go after our people.
we don't yet know all the details of what has happened. we have been in contact with french officials to communicate our deepest condolences to the families of those who have been killed and offer our prayers and thoughts to those who have been wounded. we have offered our full support to them. the situation is still unfolding. i have chosen not to call president hollande at this time because my expectation is that he is very busy at the moment. i actually, by coincidence, was talking to him earlier today in preparation for the g-20 meeting. but i am confident that i'll be in direct communications with him in the next few days and will be coordinating in any ways that they think are helpful in the investigation of what's happened. this is a heartbreaking situation and obviously those of
us in the united states know what it's like. we've gone through these kinds of episodes ourselves. whenever these kinds of attacks happen, we've always been able to count on the french people to stand with us. they have been an extraordinary counterterrorism partner and we intend to be there with them in that same fashion. i'm sure that in the days ahead, we'll learn more about what happened. and my teams will make sure that we are in communication with the press to provide you accurate information. i don't want to speculate in terms of who was responsible for this at this point. it appears that there may still be live activity and dangers that are taking place as we speak. until we know from french officials that the situation is under control and we have more information about it, i don't want to speculate. okay?
thank you very much. >> words of assurance, condolences from president obama speaking from the white house shortly after hearing of the horrific attacks in paris. over 100 people are reported to have been killed during the attack of the bataclan concert hall, one of the larger attacks. one eyewitness talks to the french tv station bfm of the experience being inside the hall when the attack began. >> the concert had been going on about 30 minutes and suddenly we heard sounds of firecrackers. we turned around and we saw two youth. we were far away. there were two people with automatic weapons firing on the crowd. we all quickly lied down on the floor. there was panic and confusion. the firing continued. on the right side, there was an open door and we rushed out. the door led to a stairway. we were there about five, 10
minutes. then, some people were trying to leave through some doors but those doors were only leading nowhere, actually. someone managed to open the roof door and we all moved to the roof. we waited on the roof. there was a man whose apartment had a window overlooking the roof, so he opened his window and we climbed into his apartment. we stayed there the whole time waiting in the dark for this to be over. we heard noise, explosion, automatic weapons, screams, but we didn't know what was preci precisely going on in the concert hall. i only saw two guys. the rest were civilians and no ma masks. i didn't see any masks. no, it's nothing, just some wood ch chips. at some point i was hiding behind a loud speaker and some bullets ricocheted on it so it was likely hit. will get it checked out now.
a lot of people on the ground and the terrorists were just firing at them. it wasn't a pretty sight. that's why we really needed to leave, because it looked like they were mercilesmerciless. after that, i don't know what. >> an account from one of the witnesses inside that concert hall as they were coming under siege by the attackers. our live coverage of the terror attack continues including someone inside the stadium when the explosions went off outside. the latest according to french officials, at least 120 dead. local reports say as many as 200 injured. keep it right here on msnbc.
as the city of paris was coming under six separate attacks, french president hollande had been watching a soccer game at the stade de france as the stadium was evacuated. he said he was closing the borders to insure the perpetrators could not escape the country. speaking of those involved in the attacks, hollande would
later vow to quote lead a fight which would be pitiless. >> once again, we are under attack. we know where it's coming from, those terrorists, those criminals. we must in difficult moments think about the victims and too many injured as well. we need to think about the families as well and we need to show compassion but we also remain -- need to remain calm in the situation france needs to be strong and the authorities will be strong. we need to also call upon each and every one of you and of us to remain responsible. what the terrorists really want is to scare us. and to fear. there are reasons to be afraid now. but facing fear the nation knows
how to defend itself, knows how to mobilize its force and once again will know how to defeat the terrorists. >> i want to bring in msnbc military analyst, colonel jack jacobs. colonel, as always, good to have you here. considering the coordination of these attacks and casualties here the last report, 120 at least, and that may go up, it's been described in some headlines as war there in paris. i want to hear your take, if you think, to some extent, is it war? >> you know, france has been at war with us against isis. as far as all terrorists are concerned, france is fair game. there's been a heightened state of vigil for some time. earlier this year there were attacks on "charlie hebdo" and 17 killed and many more wounded.
less koocoordinated and less p n planned than this attack. this attack has been in the p n planning stages for quite some time. the second thing to keep in mind, in france, there is a fairly substantial percentage of its muslim population that is d disaffected that is easily radicalized or a lot of them who have left and gone to fight in syria and other places and some of them have returned. borders inside the eu are open, completely open. once you get inside eu you can go from one place to the other very easily. some of these radicalized people are in fact french citizen, having been born there. that's a problem not just for france but the rest of europe. >> you saw the reaction of francois hollande and saying
those responsible canned leave and others can't come in. let's talk about the level of sophistication. how they approached the coordinated attack, use of ak-47s and suicide belts and highly coordinated. i can imagine the time it took planning this, especially at this point being out of the radar with the intelligence that's out there and being thwarted. >> they had to recruit these people and weed out people not reliable. all that takes some time. then they had to train them. some may have already received training having fought elsewhere in syria and returned. in any case, all of it would take some training. not an extremely high amount of sophisticated training but it would take some training. the weapons are readily available.
ak-47s are available anywhere worldwide as is the ammunition for it. one of the interesting things worth pondering are the explosi explosives. there were suicide vest, to be sure, there was some report there may be a suicide vest that did not detonate, in which case there would be a great deal of forensic information that could be gleaned from that and origin of it determined. there were also reports of the explosions taken place during the attack, before suicide vests had been detonated. this would point to one of two things, hand grenades, easy to come by but difficult to bring into a country and hide. or splexplosives manufactured o site. ir ironically, much more likely because it's easier to bring the bits and pieces in and put them together and it requires the
level of sophistication mere hand grenades wouldn't deliver. you're talking tactically spe speaking a very sophisticated operation. >> you brought up a good point, colonel, talking about the security already in place. a city and public already on edge after "charlie hebdo" and the kosher grocery store. you mentioned this could be homegrown in the borders of france. difficult for them before this happened but even more so now. >> we try to put ourselves in the same situation, it there's and could it happen here. of course it has happened here in boston, we had homegrown terrorism. in oklahoma city, the other end of the spectrum but also homegrown. but france in particular and europe generally has a different kind of problem we don't have. they have a very large number of
recent immigrants from the middle east, but more importa importantly, you have a population that is disaffected. upward mobility is extremely difficult in europe but particularly in france. i can tell you lots of stories that go back to my banking days when i spent a lot of time in paris with counterparts in fairly substantial industries in france where people, french people born in france had a very difficult time getting to the top of the ladder because they didn't go to eco-polytechnic. you have to go to the right school in order to get to the top. if you consider that and transpose that to the whole question of the social and economic mobility of people who are not french people but who are born in france, then you're talking about the ability to have a very large percentage of the population disaffected, and
it makes it very very hard to polic police, extremely hard to supervise and to identify problems before they happen, which is what happened in this case. >> colonel, i want to get your perspective historically here. when you see an event like this and the united states in forming a worldwide coalition in fig fighting threats against the united states, in this case, when we see the growing threat of isis and remind you we have no claim of responsibility when it comes to these threats, when it comes from isis we have seen most recently in beirut, the russian jetliner and tentacles of isis continuing to grow, could that be a way to counter it, the united states forming a worldwide coalition as it did with operation desert storm? >> the short answer is yes. >> can it? >> what's really required -- the
best way to counter this is know in advance when something is going to happen to identify cells. the only way you can do that is through very good intelligence. there are two approaches to this and they are mutually exclusive. the fierce rst is to be able to listen to chatter and listen to people's phone conversations and so on. good intelligence on the ground to get information of both cells and incipient cells, as they're forming and that requires lots of manpower and telecommunications soup violation and government intrusion we're reluctant to employ. the second thing is what you mentioned, that is a worldwide coalition to share intelligence information. now, before 9/11, there was none of that, very little of that. since 9/11, there's been mandatory of that, but all of us -- all of us have become
complacent since then because of the paucity of attacks particularly in the united states. all this means is all countries have to redouble our efforts to make sure we're sharing intelligence information. >> it's crucial to know what was or was not done in france on a global level as well. colonel jack jacobs as always, good to have you with me on your perspective. thank you. >> you're welcome, frances. >> continue to stay with us throughout the morning as we follow this breaking news here on msnbc. a live look now at the city of paris in a state of emergency an mourning and shock in a series of massive attacks overnight in the streets of paris. we will continue to follow this as they approach this 10:00 hour on the day following that massacre. [announcer] if the most challenging part of your day
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good to be with you. we're continuing with comp on the terror attacks in paris. i want to get you up to date. 12 hours after the horrific events occurred in paris last night. terror attacks ripped through the city starting at 9:00 p.m. local time. the first attacks happened outside the stad e de france. you can hear an explosion going off cut through the crowd noise. france officials say it included one bombing and two suicide attacks. multiple reports of gunmen inside the city began to emerge with shoote erers opening fire restaurants and cafes. according to reports, gunmen entered the bataclan concert hall hosting a sold-out concert
by an american band and it appears in that concert venue where the most deadly parts of the terror attacks took place. the gunmen started firing on the crowds and took hostages and suicide belts. so far, the deaths are continuing to rise reporting 120 people killed at least with 100 dead at the bataclan alone with them say mortgage than 200 were injured making it the worst attack on french soil since world war ii, the first time a suicide bomber has ever attacked the country. eight attackers have been killed and as of right now no group has taken responsibility. france remains in a state of emergency as president hollande called in all law enforcement and put military around the city and employed check borders around france. i want to get the latest from
kelly cobiella reporting from us in london. >> frances, good morning. this morning, french president hollande gathered top security officials and others around him to discuss what's next. how do they track down these attackers and find out where they came from. are they part of a larger cell and how did this attack happened. this meeting happening this morning and on the streets another 1500 soldiers parisians are waking up to guarding government buildings and religious sites in paris. on the borders, a significant change. once again, any coming in or out of france is being checked. their bags, their cars, their trucks, their persons all che checked going in and out of paris by car, plane, boat,
already hearing reports of up to a two hour wait at customs at paris' charles degaul airport to get into the city to go through customs to enter paris. things have changed significa significantly this morning, frances and will continue to as how this all happened continues. >> we are looking at a live shot here on the streets of paris with law enforcement there in their vehicles. you don't see a single person walking there. i can imagine this on a saturday morning nearing 10:00 a.m. would normally be a bustling day in the streets of paris certainly isn't the case and more of lockdown feeling from the residents there in the city. >> that's right. last night the mayor of paris advised everyone in the city to stay home, even suggested people open their doors to any on the street and invite them home -- invite them into their homes for
their safe-keeping. in addition to that, the metro was closed. there were announcements today all public buildings would be closed. schools that typically operate on a saturday have been closed. the city is shut down. even disneyland on the outskirts of paris, has shut down for the day. really, in sympathy with what has happened and the victims and families of the victims of this attack. all of paris is essentially on lockdown today. no one is being forced to stay in their homes but it has been suggested in part for safety reason, there is the possibility these attackers had accomplices and this is still a potential safety issue. you would see on most days most people outgoing to museums and enjoying the beauty that is paris, that's not happening today. police are on the streets and
soldiers on the streets and leaders trying to figure out the next step. >> sure. as people are gripped by fear and uncertainty. those who have family and friends unaccounted for, 200 people hurt in local hospitals in paris. kelly, thank you very much. i want to bring in our correspondent, morgan. striking very close to home in california specifically when it comes to terror attacks at a concert venue with the band performing there that light based out of california. eagles of death metal, morgan, some relief all the band members have been accounted for? >> that's righty frances. according to the band manager all the band members are in fact safe. we still don't know about the band's crew members. nbc managed to talk to the wife of one and in nashville and said
she was able to speak to her husband very briefly on a bor w borrowed cell phone and told her members were able to escape safely and made to it a local police station. she said she believes there are other crew members still unaccounted for. to give you background, they were in the middle of their european tour and scheduled to end december 10th and scheduled saturday and then sunday when they're going to move to brussels. this band started in 1998y the love child, product of passion between two friends, josh and jesse. josh actually saved jesse from a bully back when they were younger and from there they grew into this group that is now known as you mentioned as eagles of death metal. their music was intended to be a mix between eagles and death 34e9 tall. metal. they even had temporary people who would be members of their
band, actor jack black or dave grohl of the foo fighters. we spoke to some people who had toured with them in california. take a listen to what they had to say. >> it's very surreal. like we're both walking around kind of in a daze. i feel just kind of shell-shocked, like that could have been us, we were just with them. in fact, my band gram rabbit played the last week with them and played with them before they left for europe. >> the thought crossed my mind during one of the shows, just kind of looking over, because they draw a lot of people, and we were playing medium-sized theaters. so we're playing for about a thousand, 1100 people, and the thought crossed my mind one time, with all the crazy things going on, theater shootings. >> and francis, that shell shock
what we're seeing in california, this is in the heart of paris and it was 1500 people and sold out that night. what investigators are trying to figure out is why this band or this venue was target of attack. still a lot of questions right now as paris begin as new day. >> i can imagine the accounts when they just took the stage when this happened and what many described as stampede and many people jumping out of windows to escape that convert venue. morgan, thank you very much. keep it here as we continue our coverage on the terrorist attacks on msnbc.
coverage of breaking news out of paris, france, where 120 people have been killed, 200 injured in multiple attacks. i want to bring in our msnbc editor of our discovery desk, cal perry. we're talking about this 12 hours after this attack, what you call a window or group cl m claiming responsibility for this attack. you've seen some out there online, whether that is valid or authentic is another thing. >> right. we're working with our partners at flash point to decipher where these are coming from and are they coming from what we know to be legitimate channels the islamic group has used in the past. just because they claim responsibility doesn't mean they participated in the attack. the evidence and clarification of the attack. a lot of groups want to jump and say they did this. this is about verifying it. >> how do you do that. some evidence left at the scene.
the one suicide bomb belt that didn't go off and all those things that may point to it. it seems like a long drawnout process. >> absolutely. the forensic. these groups are very savvy and good and those are the channels we monitor. >> whether al qaeda or isis, high lly coordinated and sophisticated, you said the suicide vest, all those things may help. >> it speaks to the capability of the attackers, clearly had training and did reconnaissance on these targets and they kept it a secret. >> we are now approaching 12 hours after the attacks in paris
and parisians are waking up this morning to the reality that was the horror of their night, many questions just getting started with their day. cal perry, editor of our discovery desk, thank you very much. >> we will have continuing coverage of the terror attacks in france and bring you details at the top of the hour.
i'm dara brown with msnbc's continuing coverage of the terror attacks in paris. they say at least 120 people are dead. most were killed at the theater where dozens of hostages were held and then killed by the attackers. at least three explosions were heard outside paris's soccer stadium. shootings also took place elsewhin