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good to be with you on this sunday morning. i'm frances rivera. this is msnbc's continuing coverage of the terror attacks in paris. here is what we know at this hour. at least 129 people are dead, another 352 injured, 99 seriously, after a series of coordinated attacks friday night. officials say seven perpetrators are dead. new video this morning appears to show the moment gunman began shooting inside the concert hall while the american band eagles of death metal performed. toward the end of the video you can hear what sounds like gunfire as members of the band take cover.
89 people were killed inside, and this morning the european union has called an emergency meeting to discuss europe's response to the attacks. we now know that at least one american citizen was killed in paris. a 23-year-old design student from california. president obama is in turkey today for the g-20 economic summit. turkey's capital suffered a suicide bombing in october that killed more than 100 people in arrange kar ankara. >> as was true with the terrible attacks that took place in ankara, the killing of innocent people based on a twisted ideology is an attack not just on france, not just on turkey, but it is an attack on the civilized world. >> u.s. officials say the
terrorist group isis which claimed responsibility for the paris attacks had released a video encouraging followers to carry out attacks in france. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel joins us now from paris. richard, given the fact that we have two of the suspects identified with about seven people detained, give us an update on the focus of this investigation today. >> reporter: well, i spoke to the french justice minister not long ago and she said that they have seven bodies. the seven known attackers. she said that there is not believed to be another active shooter, even though isis in its statement had talked about eight attackers. but she said that there are certainly conspirators and that they are looking for other people who were involved in this attack and they are not just looking in france. there were arrests overnight in belgium. belgium is a particular focus and there is the belief the attackers had logistical support
or that some, perhaps tleen even, had direct links to belgium. there's also been arrests and investigations in germany and also focus on greece and turkey because one of the passports found by one of the bodies of the attackers, a syrian passport, stolen syrian passport, was used apparently by someone who traveled to a greek island on the migrant trail and that the older of thholder of t passport, whether the legitimate holder or someone who stole it or bought it, also registered for asylum in serbia. so one of the main concerns here is that we're seeing this nexus, a combination of militants who are already in france, already radicalized in france or radicalized in other parts of europe, using the migrant trail. hundreds of thousands of people who are fleeing primarily iraq
and syria but also other countries like afghanistan going through turkey, boarding those rubber raftsz, then, then apply asylum once they arrive in europe. the attacks in paris are adding to new urgency to the g-20 summit of world leaders getting under way in turkey. this morning president obama pledged u.s. help in hunting down the perpetrators. nbc's ron allen is traveling with the president and joins us from antalya. i imagine much of the summit will be dominated by talk of these attacks and the response from united states, france and other allies in how to respond to this. >> reporter: exactly, frances. yes, it is the dominant topic now. this is usually about economics and business. some of that will be discussed but it is hard to ignore -- it is impossible to ignore what
happened in paris. turkey is right here on the front lines in the fight against isis. the syrian border where the civil war is raging where isis is headquartered is just a few hundred miles from where we're all standing right now. yes, we've been talking to the administration officials and they've been trying to spell out what the united states is going to do in response. the headline of all this is that the united states considers this, along with the french, an act of war. so we expect there to be a very aggressive response led by perhaps the french. now the united states' part, the advisors make it clear that they do not think the united states, u.s. soldiers, boots on the ground, more military troops in syria is the answer to this problem. they are going to continue their air campaign and they hope and expect that the french and other allies will step up that air campaign against isis targets on the ground. they're also trying to target leadership targets of isis in syria. they're also trying to cut off
the flow of foreign fighters that richard just mentioned crossing through turkey into syria. and also importantly, those coming out of syria back into europe. some of those who may be behind the attacks that happened in paris. it is a big concern of the united states, this movement of people, this movement of fighters in and out of isis controlled territory back into europe. a lot on the agenda here. the president has already met with his turkish counterpart. he also had an interesting meeting on the sidelines of the summit with vladimir putin, the russian president. the two were huddled in a corner discussing what's going on. the russians play a very important role in all this. they have launched a very aggressive air campaign of their own in syria bombing targets that very much run counter to what the united states is trying to achieve there. mugss mostly striking rebel fighters, not isis targets so much. but again, a very intricate complicated day here. a lot of discussions about what to do next. but bottom line is that you can expect a very aggressive response especially from france and the united states because of
what happened in paris. >> and what that action is and when that will happen remains to be seen. nbc's ron allen in turkey, thank you very much. even as authorities round up suspects there are lingering questions about who exactly masterminded the attacks and whether they could strike again. joining me now from philadelphia, former director of defense policy for president clinton, joe sestak, also a recall forrer u.s. congressman and director of the navy's counterterrorism unit. appreciate your time, sir. based on what we know and what we're learning about the suspects so far knowing that at least one of them entered via greece as a refugee and went in with a syrian passport, is that what stands out to you most? >> what stands out to me most is that isis can no longer be looked at as just a terrorist threat. oh, it's that, but we have to recognize this is a wannabe aspiring state and now it controls territory in syria and iraq that is actually the size of belgium. it controls a population the size of norway. it has $600 million a year
flowing in to its treasury. it has $2 billion in assets. and now over the last couple weeks it has begun a foreign policy like libya did of state sponsored terrorism. if we don't recognize it like that, we'll have the wrong strategy that is going to close that state down and protect us which means two things -- our strikes can no longer just primarily be to help the kurds and others to go against them militarily. we have to strike the strategic targets of the oil fields, the headquarters that we know where they are in raqaa and other states. but most important the political bringing together of a coalition of those who are often our adversaries like iran and russia, that they are going to be the ones that are going to be down there with their influence, i understand, making sure on the ground they are taking care of isis but, two, we will have to accept some changes like assad who doesn't directly threaten us but does actually have some
desire to stay there that russia and iran want. and in dealing with this politically we can no longer permit others to be doing the bulk of the work but not under our leadership. >> you're talking about that change but when we -- i've heard this so much over the weekend that this is a game changer when it comes to isis and the now front we've been seeing and also the underestimate of isis going beyond the middle east and northern africa. you are talking about the changes needed but how can that be attacked politically and diplomatically when many see that's the initial step that needs to be passed before any action is taken? >> you are absolutely right, it can only be handled for our security and others by u.s. leadership that begins to have information flow back and forth. when russia came in, our primary focus was not to work with them passing intelligence. it was to make sure we deconflicted our aircraft. we set that limit. no, we can't do that, we need information throw. take egypt, they have yet to
give us information of what really did happen with that aircraft of russia's that was blown up. in order to handle this we have to do what we did in days of old when there was a balance of power. we worked with the soviet union against nazi germany. we worked with other nations it against state sponsored terrorism in libya. we have to bring together a coalition of convenience in order to stop this threat. >> the information flow has taken all a whole new dimension with isis, with encrepted communication and also now that we're seeing slipping through the migration crisis there and going through the borders. former congressman and u.s. navy admiral, joe sestak. appreciate your time. the eyewitness accounts of the attacks in paris have painted a harrowing picture. joining me now, a journalist who was in paris when the violence erupted and just flew back to new york city yesterday. he was leaving his rented apartment when the attack began at the restaurant just steps
away. seth, i don't know during the time that you had in your travels and coming back and just being in a different place overall and detached in that way but i could imagine what happened in those moments and it's still very fresh in your mind. >> it absolutely is. i can't forget it. i was going looking at text messages sending to friends in the hurried moment and i could see the evolution of information and as i began to understand the scope of what's going on. the first message i sent was holy crap, there's a guy with a gun here. then i realized it was ak-47. then i messaged i am getting out of here. >> in moments where you watched it unfold, you said this may be it for me. this is what i've watched and reported on and heard about now in the past and now it is happening to me. >> i didn't have those thoughts. but when i saw police pull out guns and hunch behind vans in a relatively open space be with the first thing that went into my mind is there could be a shoot-out here. that's when i tried to get to the narrowest street i could, an
alleyway or something that kured. occurred. i thought this was an isolated incident. >> you're thinking this is just happening right where i am. when did it occur to you that pares was under siege with the stadium explosions, with the shoot-out at concert venue? >> i was calling in to a news station to say what was going on, to give the story. over to live feed i heard through the phone the word "bomb." that was the first i heard. i did not hear a bomb, it was only gunshots. then i realized there were other attacks going on and perhaps other gun attacks. only then did i realize this wasn't isolated and running from this space might not be enough. >> now that you're in new york and watching, hearing your city, to some extent, seeing the resilience. what is the paris in the days to come? had.
>> i hope they pull through it. new york's gone through this. other cities have gone through this. i think they'll be okay. >> seth, glad you made it home safely and hopefully in the days for you and reflecting, i can imagine it is tough for everybody, you as well. up next, last night's debate in iowa refocused asked those who would be president how would you deal with isis. their response is right after this. ♪ (vo) you can check on them. you can worry about them. you can even choose a car for them. (mom) honey, are you ok? (child) i'm ok. (announcer vo) love. (mom) we're ok. (announcer vo) it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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bernie sanders criticized hillary clinton for her vote to authorize the invasion of iraq in 2003. >> well, in fact i would argue that the disastrous invasion of iraq, something that i strongly opposed, has unraveled the region completely and led to the rise of al qaeda and to isis. i don't think any sensible person would disagree that the invasion of iraq led to the massive level of instability we are seeing right now. i think that was one of the worst foreign policy blunders in the modern history of the united states. >> here's former secretary of state clinton's response. >> i have said the invasion of iraq was a mistake. but i think if we're ever going to really tack many the problems posed by jihadi extreme terrorism, we need to understand it and realize that it has an
anticedents to what happened in iraq. >> kristin welker is in ames, iowa this morning. certainly a different debate expected before the pares attacks, even at one point on friday considering canceling debate all together. >> reporter: that's right, they decided to move forward with this debate but to have the first part of it heavily focused on the fight against isis and the broader fight against terrorism. this debate was surprising for a number of reasons. a lot of folks thought the tone would be more muted coming in the wake of the paris attacks but nothing could be further from the truth. . gloves were really off for vermont senator bernie sanders, martin o'malley piling on president clinton on a number of different points. one, for her vote for the iraq war, as you just played, but also putting her on defense for the obama administration's strategy toward isis. this is really a preview of what we're going to see not only in the primary but on the general election. this morning on some of the sunday shows some of the
republican candidates. >> reporter: going after clinton. marco rubio criticizing her for refusing to use the term "radical islam." the republicans of course also criticizing president obama. this has been a sustained criticism of president obama. they say he hasn't been strong enough in the fight against isis. you can expect them to try to link secretary clinton to president obama's policies in the months moving forward. what we're missing though, franc frances, specifics. few candidates are giving specifics on how they would take on the fipt against eght agains. we're waiting to see how president obama is going to respond. that will be the next front in this critical debate. >> that landscape changing in light of the paris attacks, nbc's kristin welker, thank you. joining me now, bob herbert, author of "losing our way," and amy davidson, executive editor at "the new yorker."
certainly a big night last night for bernie sanders in talking about an and attacking hillary clinton as far as her vote to authorize the invasion of iraq. pre-friday night, pre-paris attacks, it would have seemed like hillary clinton had a strength in foreign policy with her time as secretary of state. now we see it as an opportunity to attack when it comes to bernie sanders. how effective was he in doing that? >> i think bernie was reasonably effective but i think it was more that hillary did not seem to be really on her game last night. it's odd, you would have thought before these attacks in france that hillary would be more comfortable being on foreign policy issues that bernie's strength was the economy and inequality and that sort of thing. but hillary's in a very tough spot now. she's going to be slammed from the right by the republicans who feel that the obama administration has not done enough to sotop the rise of isi
and attacked from the left for her support of the war in iraq. she's really got a tight rope that she's trying to walk. >> she's got a tight rope but pretty much all at candidates do. we're already hearing from some of the gop candidates about it and their approach in fighting this. but this is going to change the way foreign policy, national security and the fight in combating isis and how that approaches for all of them. >> i think a lot of the republican candidates haven't exactly been on a tight rope. they've more been like swinging on a trapeze. on saturday you heard donald trump in texas connecting the paris attacks to gun control. and also to his anti-immigration stance. you saw that also, rand paul trying to use paris to attack marco rubio on immigration. all of them really picking up on the this is why we're against immigration reform. i don't know that that's going to really help the party going
forward. but it brought out the extremes on the republican side. on the democratic side it brought out -- and hillary clinton sort of mysteriously hedging which was sort of the difference in the reaction. >> interesting when you say that and use that word, extremes. this just happening moments ago on "meet the press," jeb bush was on there making a statement, full-on saying for the united states, this should be a declaration of war in light of the paris attacks. let's listen to what he said on "meet the press." >> we should declare war and harness all of the power that the united states can bring to bear both diplomatic and military, of course, to be able to take out isis. we have the capabilities of doing this, we just haven't shown the will. >> shown the will. what is the will? >> i think it's really interesting. we have not shown the will in the sense that the american people have not shown the will to fight an all-out war. jeb bush of all people should understand the consequences of when you wage war.
you don't just do that willy-nilly. if we go to war against isis -- you can be pro that or against that. but if you go to war against isis, it means that the american public are going to have to put something at risk. you're going to have to put their sons and daughters at risk if it is going to be an all-out war. you're going to have to raise taxes to pay for the war. we've seen the kind of catastrophe that can avert from just sort of willy-nilly going into war. i would be very careful before making these wild pronouncements. >> should he have rethought this know much how much criticism he's gotten the brother of a certain president who went to war? >> especially the vagueness. in an earlier interview he'd also talked about how we need to reconnect with all of our military capabilities. it was sort of like let's go back to the good old days when we were full-in this iraq which i don't think that a lot of americans really have a huge amount of nostalgia for that particular period. if he's going to do it, that was
not a very well defined idea of who we're at war with, what the borders of this war are, what its inside objectives are. it is just the language of taking things out that is going to be something he's got to define more narrowly. there's also a non-interventional wing in the republican party. >> he'll have to define more narrowly as well as other candidates, too. certainly they'll be asked about it as well as president obama now in turkey for the g-20 and hearing what comes out of there. thank you to both of you. up next, the targets in paris were notably not political, military, nor even symbols of power. why these so-called soft targets? can a business have a mind?
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bars and restaurants packed with people on a friday night. seven per traitors are dead. now dramatic video this morning that appears to show the moment gunman began shooting inside the concert hall while an american band performed. it is new video. towards the end of it you can hear what sounds like gunfire as members of the band take cover. you can clearly hear the gunshots over the music from the band. 89 people were killed inside that concert venue. at least one american citizen was killed in friday's attacks. a 23-year-old design student from california. with france still under a state of emergency, rock band u-2 canceled a paris show and instead came to lake flowers at the memorial.
live in paris right now is nbc's richard lui. richard, tell us more about what you're hearing from people there on this first day of three of national mourning for the country. >> reporter: you're showing pictures there of yesterday. i'd say the difference on this sunday, the official day of mourning, you are seeing people more sad. they are crying. they've been walking around the plaza in between each one of our reports with you and they're singing. sure, they're rallying, they are putting flowers out but what is very clear is people don't know how to react at this moment. most often it is with a tear. there are some resilient individuals, for instance. it's certainly consistent with where we are today. there is a very large sign just over my left shoulder and it rea reads, in latin, "tossed, but
not sunk." so despite all of this sadness and mourning on this day, this is the spirit, they are tossed but not sunk. >> something that we're seeing today on this first official day of mourning. we'll continue in the days to come. richard lui there in paris, france. appreciate it. when the terrorists struck in paris friday they did not go after tourist sites or military facilities or symbols of power. instead they focused on places where average parisians gather for life and leisure. a soccer stadium, restaurants, a concert hall, places referred to as soft targets. joining now by deputy managing editor of "foreign affairs" magazine, and also from washington former state department and white house middle east expert hillary mann everett. the terrorists going after these soft targets and saying this is how you live your daily life and we are here to terrorize it. >> well, if you want to think about what isis has done more proudly even than just in paris, this is a group that's found a
particularly effective way to terrorize through very simple means. they have mastered this over the past couple of years. as opposed to a spectacular attack. think of 9/11. they've put out these beheading videos which are really uniquely horrifying and they have chosen to go after soft targets, not the kinds of places -- not the world trade center, not the main tourist sites, not the historical sites but the every day, the ordinary. the idea is to terrorize, the idea is to make people feel insecure in every day life as you put it. >> hillary, how does the united states and allies and french go about when it comes to these soft targets and our anti-terror campaign? >> well, there is a long track record, not just with isis but al qaeda before it, not just about the world trade center but with the london tube, the london subway system, the spanish subway system. these groups deliberately targeting these types of sites in order to put pressure on
those governments to change policy. the truth is the clear truth is that it works. the united states after 9/11 actually pulled its troops out of saudi arabia. that was a primary goal of al qaeda. after the bombing of the british tube and the spanish train stations, the british and the spanish pulled their troops out of iraq. so there is a real strategic callus heca calculus here that gets mixed in with these baseless yid yol c ideology grabs. they're picking targets because the ideology is we'll change the government's policies. many here in washington -- >> sorry to interrupt but let me ask you, you're saying the pressure on government is required in change of policy. but when it comes to action militarily, president rowhani
saying we'll go after them mercilessly. -- president hollande. >> this is the rub, is that when these -- when groups target us or the french or the spanish or the british in this way and we have to contemplate whether we give in to their demand, which is to essentially stop bombing them or not invade their countries or not have our troops there, it is perceived especially here in washington but in other capitals like paris as giving in and we can't possibly give in to the terrorists. but what we have found is -- this is the uncomfortable truth -- acceding to some other demands, stopping bombing their populations, that actually does go a long way to minimizing the threat. unfortunately, after 9/11, we took the opposite tact and we're in danger of doubling down on our troop presence and increasing bombing which is going to give us not only al qaeda before, now isis, but even something more dangerous. >> we know there is another
dimension. quickly we know one of the syrian passports has been linked to one of the attackers. with the migrant crisis going on, you have the humanitarian efforts here, but also wanting to secure safety around the complexities of that. >> sure. well first we need to be very careful before we jump to any conclusions about what this pat port m passport may or may not be. it may be stolen. we should not jump to a conclusion about whether someone on this so-called migrant trail somehow perpetrated -- >> but the question is out there and how can that fine line be balanced? >> sure. one thing to remember is the people who are fleeing and are fleeing to europe are fleeing the very kind of violence that we saw in paris. right? there are thousands and thousands -- tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people trying to get out of those situations. is it possible amidst those people there may be militants? it's possible but i think you need to be very careful and you're going to start seeing
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men traveled through greece, one in august and in october. is passport holder registered as a syrian refugee. there is a black market for sell forged passports to millions of the people fleeing the country's civil war. appreciate your time here as we continue the discussion, too, knowing the efforts there especially in france. immediately after these attacks president hollande closed the borders specifically to keep any kind of suspects within the country but also not allowing others to come in. how effective is that approach in keeping france safe? >> right. i think it is the most natural thing in the world if there's a monster inside your house you're going to want to close your windows and doors. the problem in this modern age of terror, there is no real way of keeping these threats
actually out. we're finding more and more of these types of militant people, people who are joining these militant movements are people who are born and raised in western countries, western neighborhoods. finding their way back. the world is much more interconnected than we know. these terror networks don't just exist in physical space but in virtual space. time and time again since 9/11 we've seen countries use immigration policy as a main tent pole in how we address anti-terrorism strategies. none of these approaches have actually worked. they haven't been successful. we have broken trust in immigrant communities. we have massively expensive detention and deportation systems that actually don't work in keeping people out. and we have now a negative
element of these border security strategies that are now contributing to a massive humanitarian crisis in migrants dying. >> that's also the difficult part here when you talk about the migrant crisis and hearing that some of these attackers went through greece, one with a syrian passport. some say we need to vet more but realistically how can that happen? through the borders especially when you have these hundreds of thousands of people coming in and then you also have the humanitarian crisis struggling with the argument of keeping the country and borders safe and secure. >> of course the two feed into each other but they are not the same crisis. they are not part of the same conversation. i think just the mere fact that these attackers were so easily able to be identified, they weren't hiding their identities. they were easily -- this is evidence to me that border control in the eu is actually doing exactly what it should be. >> i have to ask you about
there. that's one aspect, border control. we are talking about the sophistication of isis and their communication. we know there was a video that emerged encouraging people to attack in paris as well but also the concern about encrypted communication, going dark, simple apps that can just erase intelligence. >> the main problem is that we need to find a different strategy for attack for how we address terrorists, terrorist targets and terror suspects because combating and trying to find terror suspects by combating and targeting immigrant communities has not been effective so far. >> thank you very much. appreciate the perspective. up next, how the united states is stepping up security in light of the attacks in paris. if a denture were to be
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detained seven people and the european union has called an emergency meeting of the eu's justice ministers in the coming days to discuss europe's response to the attacks. france is under a state of emergency with cultural institutions closed, also public gatherings banned and a heightened police presence throughout paris. since the attacks in paris friday night that included a sports venue, stade de france. french owned locations like the french consulate have been guarded. emergency services have intensified monitoring the large athletic events. joining me outside the french consulate in new york, nbc's adam reesen. what can you tell me about the precautions taken? >> definitely an increase presence of security across the city today. 1,500 members of the uniformed
strategic response teams going around the city looking at high-profile targets and soft targets, places essentially where there are lots of people, places like madison square garden where the knicks will play. places like metlife stadium where the giants will take on the new england patriots. magnetometers there searching people's bags. we'll see increased police presence both inside the stadium and outside the stadium when people arrive. the mayor here of new york city saying yesterday, people should go about their business, do what they typically would do but be aware, be vigilant, know your surroundings. deputy commissioner john miller saying yesterday he saw what happened in paris, the attacks. he saw it coming. he's worked with the fbi, the nypd, the lapd. he said he saw the handwriting on the wall. frances? >> coming up, french leaders are using the word war but what kind of war do they mean? we'll have that for you next.
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rmpblts french president franfre said this about the attacks. >> translator: what happened yesterday in paris and near the stadium of france was an act of war. >> joining me now from beirut, my colleague, ayman mohyeldin. speak a little bit to me about the consequences of president hollande calling the attacks an act of war and how that's being received in the middle east. >> reporter: well, there's definitely two components to this. certainly france being a member of nato and invoking its charter that it is being attacked and that this is an act of war could certainly galvanize other members of that alliance to carry out or to at least fulfill
or participate in any military operations that france and other members of the nato alliance deem necessary to protect member states. we already know that some of those countries are involved in ongoing military operations, but the declaration that this was an act of war could certainly elevate the status of those military operations to possibly include ground operations much stronger than the current operations that we've seen which have mostly focused on aerial bombardment of isis targets. in terms of what it means for the region, well, we got a glimpse of that yesterday. the syrian president who spoke to french media and french lawmakers who happened to be visiting damascus was very critical of french foreign policy. part of the reason why terrorism was spreading so much throughout much of the world is because things like french intervention in his country if backing some of the syrian rebels trying to topple that regime. so it is certainly going to exacerbate some of the current tensions that exist about what
to do with syria and iraq and isis. as this g-20 summit takes place there will be a lot of meetings on the sidelines particularly about what to do in the case of syria. there are still very big differences between some of these close allies, including turkey, the united states, and now possibly even france. turkey wants a much more robust military intervention in syria to try to topple the regime but certainly that is going to be very problematic for some countries who have been reluctant to put in ground forces or to even escalate military operations there. >> certainly the focus on the united states and the committed 50 troops that the president has sent over there to advise mostly. msnbc's ayman mohyeldin, thank you very much. now from seattle, general barry mccccaffrey from seattle. we spoke last night and talked about u.s. involvement and how that needs to change and shift in reaction to these attacks in paris. you spoke a lot of
micromanagement and how that needs toe change. explain a little bit more about that. >> well, i think first of all, frances, the discussion on the notion of war is probably an inappropriate conceptual framework to hang all this stuff on. this isn't going to be a battle of armies an navies. this is network warfare against a terrorist organization. its border control, its internal security, it's good intelligence, it's law enforcement and it's a struggle of shia versus sunni islam. so i think possibly this discussion is off on the wrong step. poor mr. hollande is trying to do something to rally his nation. but at the end of the day he's got to somehow get 10% of the population to identify with the french state. just the notion of 50 special operations people, for gosh's sakes, you know, had he need to
give mission type orders and political objectives to u.s. special operations command, to u.s. air power, to the cia and tell them to use muscular measures that will achieve the result. >> whether you describe that this notion of war in your words and the discussion is off, i want to bring attention to jeb bush. most specifically his statement on "meet the press" this morning saying we should declare war. let's take a listen to that. >> we should declare war and harness all of the power that the united states can bring to bear both diplomatic and military, of course, to be able to take out isis. we have the capabilities of doing this. we just haven't shown the will. >> when you hear that, the capabilities of doing it and not the will, your reaction. >> well, i'm a great admirer of governor bush. he's a very astute fellow. has a political campaign going on. they're all searching for a stance to take. but again, in the long run, this
is not a u.s. war to fight. it is a european and u.s. and arab ally struggle. again, primarily it's going to be sorting out sunni versus shia muslim trying to sort out world war i boundaries that don't make sense. by the way, frances, i think one of the major failures of european union and u.s. policy is not providing massive humanitarian support to these refugee populations on the border of jordan and turkey. >> but is that the difficulty here in knowing that we're getting these reports that one of the attackers may have slipped in with a syrian passport via greece? >> well, i mean that's obviously going to happen. if you're going to dump a million refugees into europe, obviously you're going to have people coming in hidden in that body. but the big issue is why would you put a million people into europe instead of stabilizing them into jordan and turkey.
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richard. didn't think you were going to make it. hey sorry about last weekend, i don't know what got into me. well forgive and forget... kind of. i don't think so! do you like nuts? thank you for being with me on this sunday morning. i'm frances rivera, and this is msnbc's continuing coverage of the terror attacks in paris. this is what we know at this hour. at least 129 people are dead and another 352 injured. 99 of them seriously after a series of attacks friday night. officials say seven per traitors are dead. "the new york times" is now reporting that there is a manhunt under way for an eighth suspect. nbc news is working to independently confirm that. new video this morning appears to show the moment gunmen began
shooting inside the concert hall. you can hear what sounds like gunfire as members of the band take cover. ♪ >> 89 people were killed inside the concert hall. this morning the european union has called for an emergency meeting of justice ministers later this week to discuss europe's response to the attacks. we now know that at least one american citizen was killed. she was a 23-year-old design student from california. president obama is in turkey today for the g-20 economic summit. turkey's capital ankara suffered a suicide bombing in october that killed more than 100 people. >> the skies have been darkened by the horrific attacks that took place in paris just a day and a half ago.
as was true with the terrible attacks that took place in ankara, the killing of innocent people based on a twisted ideology is an attack not just on france, not just on turkey, but it is an attack on the civilized world. >> a special mass to honor the victims will be held at paris's iconic cathedral of notre dame later today. a lot of people in that ka th w cathedral seeking solace and comfort today. >> reporter: that's right. second day of mourning here in paris. people have been out and about on the streets, doing some sight seeing and also it's interesting because as so many of these monuments -- all of the public monuments are closed today for a second day, the sites of
shootings of these attacks have almost become tourist attractions. sounds a bit crass but what i mean is these are the places where people are gathering, these are the places that they want to see, they want to pay their respects. hundreds, if not thousands of people have been to these sites throughout the city laying now others, leaving messages. this is where people really are gathering. there are many, many others around this city who are going to see the eiffel tower and the other great attractions in paris but there is very heavy security in these areas. a lot of them are blocked off. there's no entrance to the public so it is really -- these other small sites where people are gathering together and sort of taking a moment to remember the victims and what happened here on friday. here at notre dame there will be a special memorial service for the victims, victims' families, survivors will be invited in. also worshippers. the cardinal has made a comment
about the attacks as well and he will hold a special service for them. the bells will ring out here at notre dame. frances, we should also make mention of this very difficult process of identifying the victims. when you are talking about so many who have died in this attack, the prime minister of france announced this morning that 103 bodies have now been identified. they're quickly identifying the rest of them. he made a point to say, yes, these are numbers, but they're more than numbers. they're faces, these are young people. it is very personal for so many. francis. >> nbc's kelly cobiella reporting for us in paris. the attacks in paris are already emerging as a key topic of g-20 summit of world leaders now under way in turkey. this morning president obama called the events in paris an attack on the civilized world. >> and as we, i'm sure, each
said to president hollande and the french people, we stand in solidarity with them in hunting down the perpetrators of this crime and bring pentagon them to justice. >> nbc's ron allen is traveling with the president. he joins us from antalya. ron, i imagine a lot of discussions will be how aggressive the united states and allies will be in response to these attacks. >> reporter: and how will france, most notably, respond. i think the united states and its allies are ready to follow france's lead. france is a member of nato and there has been indication that the french might invoke a nato clause that says an attack on one is an attack on all and that all the nato nations must respond forcefully. the united states, for its part, has said that it will stand by the french and that it agrees with the assessment of the french president that this was an act of war. very strong language there. the united states said it will intensify its ongoing air
campaign against isis over syria and iraq and it hopes the allies join in and ramp up their operations as well, something they have not been doing in recent months and has been a source of concern for the united states. for its part the united states has been criticized, president obama, for not doing enough to take on this threat, to -- that the policies have been too incremental, for example. now we'll see if that changes. also a lot of concern here in turkey about the flow of foreign fighters moving through europe, through turkey, on into syria. syria's just a few hundred miles away from here. the border very close. so this is a very good setting for are this talk about terrorism, about the threat of isis which is in fact dominating the summit. we also know that president obama took some time on the sidelines of the summit to hold a meeting with vladimir putin, the president of russia. the russians of course play a significant role in syria. they've been propping up the regime there, something that the united states does not want to see happen prolonging the civil war. but again a lot of discussion here about terrorism. >> certainly not. nbc's ron allen in turkey, thank
you. paris is one of the most popular destinations in the world and many americans were visiting for work or on vacation at the time of the terror attacks. foster has been in paris for three months working as a photographer. foster, you were working outside the concert venue during the attack. when was that moment -- describe it for us when you realized something seriously was happening inside. >> i heard first the violence. i got a number of messages asking if i was okay. and when i looked up from my phone i saw on the street that everyone else was looking at their phone, too. and that people's faces were frozen. and then i knew that something terrible had happened. i took a cab immediately to red public. on the way i heard that there
were shots not yet explosions. those would come later. i stopped the car when i saw the aide workers. there were three cars full of red cross staff treating people at the center. they were also frozen in shock. >> it had to be very difficult for you. >> foster, i have to ask you, i can't help but notice and hear the singing, the chants, even applause behind you. can you tell me a little bit of where you are and what's happening behind you with the crowds? >> yes. behind me is the monument where there are memorials, writings on the ground, chalk messages to those departed. to my right are the youth who
are singing french national songs. so on one side of me right now there is celebration and on the side behind me there are the mourners. >> i'm sure that reflects the feeling of so many in paris on this second day of mourning there. there is that of celebration, of strength, resilience, of everybody that this will be overcome by the strength of the people there but also in many ways still the shock. so that has got to be so different in seeing faces of the people around you. >> yes. even when i was by the nightclub and there were with the sounds of explosions and gunfire, people around here were alternating between shock and laughter which was astonishing
for me. i have seen even today whenever there is someone mourning, there is someone next to them with them. so i think the connection on the ground is one of unity. >> all right, foster mickley, thank you for sharing your account and also giving us a sense of how the people there are going about dealing with certainly such a tough time. thank you. the attacks that claimed 129 lives in paris came a day after deadly bombings killed 43 people in beirut and at least 80 people in baghdad. though the united states has not confirmed a terrorist group involvement, isis has claimed responsibility for all three attacks. in a statement released yesterday, isis called the assault on the french capital the first of the storm suggesting additional attacks might come in the future. joining me now from philadelphia, counterterrorism intelligence consultant and also executive director of terror,
malcolm mance. appreciate your time. if isis claims responsibility, and we take it at face value and assume that they did attack these cities, the first question -- are we safe especially with many saying that this is a new frontier now, a new front for isis? >> well, this is definitely a new frontier for isis but it is not a new frontier for us in the western world as regards to the types of terrorist activities that are occurring. are we safe? well, we are pea as safe as the systems and intelligence that we have in place to try to stop these attacks. we haven't had mass casualty attacks like this in the united states, but there have been many since 2001 in europe. europe is the front line for the war on terror with regards -- as far as isis is concerned. they have now pushed their battle front out of syria in iraq and north africa and they've moved it right into the
heart of europe. they have capacity. there's people out there who can carry out these attacks and you may see future attacks. but you're also going to see an aggressive western european response to this. >> we speak about that, we know there are members of the fbi heading to paris to help out in gathering intelligence. of course this is after. what can we learn as far as the united states, as far as french intelligence, others in the global intelligence community, not being able to find out anything that could have come close to thwarting these attacks? >> well, within the intelligence community we understand that there are systems and processes, tactics, techniques and procedures that can be used to defeat intelligence collection. we're aware of that. those are the black space where you may have indicators coming from various and multitude of sources. and suddenly you get to this black hole. that's what we're looking for. we're trying to find out and weed out just precisely what we
don't know. but can you guarantee that there's not going to be an attack? you can't. if you have a group that just absolutely doesn't communicate, does everything face to face, you've got to track down their sources of logistics like how did their weapons come in there, who built these explosive vests which were very sophisticated, and what are the networks in europe or the united states which would support this? and the united states, all you have to do is go to a gun store and you're supporting yourself for terrorism. >> the reach of isis is very strong on social media, as you know, very strong online, even more so with encrypted communication, going dark as it's known, with apps that we can get and download what's app and how those messages disappear. we understand there was a release of video through isis and its members encouraging people to attack especially this one in france. what can be said about this app and knowing again it is kind of the evolution of isis on the western front that may invigorate other recruits as
well especially those who see the martyrdom in this? >> everyone knows that isis uses social media as a weapon system. this is not necessarily recruiting. this is more to the point -- more of a process where they not only want to recruit young men to come in, young women to come over, they want to reinvigorate people who may have actually come to syria, may have wanted to join the jihad, to come back and carry out these attacks. to the people who republican within this cult, within this group, they find these attacks apocalyptic as they are and as mass murder filled as they are, they love these attacks and they love the effect that it has on striking fear into the hearts of the people of france and the west. and the more that we respond to that and make -- the more they believe that they're actually winning. so through social media they have a very powerful system. we found just recently that some
isis networks may have been using playstation 4 and other computer games to communicate. >> malcolm nance in philadelphia, thank you very much. still to come, what president obama had to say about isis just before the paris attacks. and this question -- has isis been underestimated? what super poligrip does for me is it keeps the food out. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable.
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>> i don't think they're gaining strength. what is true is that from the start our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them. they have not gained ground in iraq, and in syria they'll come in, they'll leave. but you don't see this systematic march by isil across the terrain. >> the next day, as we know, isis took credit for its largest attack yet in a western country. so it begs the question have we underestimated isis? with me in new york, bob herbert, distinguished senior fellow for demos, and joining me from philadelphia, malcolm nance, executive director of terror ace metrics project. again from washington, d.c., hillary mann-leveritt. hillary, when you talk about this attack coming on the heels
beirut bombing, the downing of the russian jetliner in egypt, isis claimed responsibility for that, and now this on the wesh front what many say is a new frontier for isis, a game changer. have we underestimated isis? >> certainly. i think that's clear from the number of attacks from how much isis has grown not just this week but two weeks ago but since their inception and even before that in iraq. this kind of underestimate or really strategic error happened even before 9/11 when we also supposedly underestimated al qaeda. i think the problem here is a real strategic error that somehow these people -- i think that's not such an unveiled reference as ben carson has said about muslims and arabs and their thirst for innocent blood -- their goal is -- they're not attacking us to attack our freedom. these are very policy focused
attacks. they're aim is to change u.s. policy or in this case to change french policy. so there is a real strategic error. not just a tactical underestimation. >> i want to talk about this with the president's words, he was talking about having isis contained or specifically referring to the presence in iraq and syria. . let's hear more. >> the killing of innocent people based on a twisted ideology is an attack not just on france, not just on turkey, but it is an attack on the civilized world. >> so that was president obama at the g-20 summit. malcolm, back to you. with those words from the president how can isis be contained on a global front? >> well, hillary made a very good point about the strategic underestimation of what isis was and what isis is. but even in a broader sense, the largest mistake that we are making at this point is that we
are underestimating the yid y ideological nature of isis. it as far as we are going after them physically, dropping bombs, we can kill and degrade their systems and kill off terrorists. we have to break this link between their base of support which is microcosmic in islam and the greater muslim world which is their victim base. >> president hollande says we'll attack mercilessly. but when you hear about that especially with malcolm's words, what needs to be done when you talk about breaking that ideology and getting it from the root? >> well, i'm not sure it is exactly right to say that we've necessarily underestimated this group. this group may be changing. in fact you have to consider why would a group suddenly shift its tactics or 80s strategy. one possibility to consider is whether the current strategy of containing isis of making sure
they don't capture any more territory and making sure that they can't recruit easily may have actually forced a shift in their tactics, forced a shift in their strategy. terrorist groups are often very dynamic and as hillary pointed out they're trying to force a change. what is the change they're trying to force, what is it that's happening in syria and iraq now that's led them to the point of feeling we need to actually broaden our reach, we need to start doing attacks that we haven't done before. i think that's actually an important question. there are any number of possible answers. one of them might be that they do feel squeezed and they do feel contained. >> a lot of that will determine how the united states and allies, especially here at home in this election year, will go about this diplomatically and politically. bob, when you talk about terrorism and this fight, you also consider the american voter in here. these important issues were polled, the most important issue among democrats, the economy. 38%. social issues, 16%.
foreign policy, single digits. 4% with terrorism at 2%. so when we're talking about this and knowing politically with the united states is going to be doing, the pressure that the administration is going to be having, and also the pressure that some of these presidential candidates will be seeing, too, moving forward, but you see the importance right there, single digits, as low as 2% for terrorism among american people polled. >> i think what's going to happen is you'll see republican candidates trying to push foreign policy and terrorism specifically as issues because they're more comfortable with that. you'll see the democrats to the extent that they can trying to keep the focus on the economy and on inequality and jobs and that sort of thing. what happens in the news between now and the election a year from now is what will determine what will be the biggest issues as far as the voters themselves are happened. >> what will happen in the news and also how these candidates will respond as we heard from jeb bush earlier on "meet the press," we should declare war, we have the capable certainly
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shooting inside the concert hall. you can hear what sounds like gunfire as members of the band take coverage on stage. 89 people were killed inside that concert venue. this morning french authorities have identified 103 out of the 129 victims in friday's terror attacks. french prime minister manuel vals met with the victims' families and say they are inconsolable. we are beginning to learn details. erica hill filed this report. >> reporter: on the streets of paris, an outpouring of anguish. memorials popping up outside restaurants where inside time
stands still. 23-year-old amy gonzalez a junior at cal state long beach was studying design this semester in paris and enjoying a friday night out. friends and family called her mimi and said she'd work for months to make her dream of studying abroad a reality. >> this is real lly happening. this is happening. there's nothing i can really do to bring her back. >> reporter: nick alexander, described by his family as everyone's best friend. was working at the concert hall. known as handsome nick, he handled merchandising for bands on tour in europe. this 26-year-old lawyer was also at the concert. his firm described the young litigator as a wonderful personality around the office. near that concert hall where so much were cut down, a tribute. as families franticly search for
missing, many turn to social media posting pictures and details of their last known location with the #rechercheparis. search paris. a haunding reminder of new york in the days after 9/11. reminders of january's "charlie hebdo" attack linger now joined by new images of peace and resilien resilience. for visiting americans, it feels all too familiar. >> you went through terror attacks yourselves in the united states. how does that impact how you're feeling tonight? >> well, i think we feel tremendously sad that this is the world that we're all going to be living in but that it is so important that you don't let terrorists win, that you come out, you show solidarity. >> people all over the world are relating to the situation. >> reporter: tonight the city of
light inspiring people across europe to show their support. candles in their windows defying the darkness terrorists try to spread. >> nbc's erica hill reporting. now to paris and christopher dickie, foreign editor for the daily beast. chris, i know you know this country and the french people very well. you see the resilience and the strength and comforting side of this city now, but long after today and the days of mourning, how will this change parisians for better or worse? >> well, i think the big risk is that this will drive a wedge between the immigrant communities and their descendants and the franco french. that is clearly the intention of these attacks. they are meant to drive a wedge in frank society to divide it. what we see here is a demonstration by a lot of french
people that they won't be divide, they will show solidarity, that they will work together. whether that will last is a very, very unclear proposition. already we have politicians trying to exploit this. they were exploiting concerns about immigrants and refugees coming to france before. the right wing is on the rise. i'm afraid that it will continue to be on the rise. >>, that divide, there's also the issue of isis and how french, united states and allies will combat it given this new turn for isis. i want to turn to something you wrote about on the daily beast. you ask if it is now time to take a more aggressive approach to isis terror. >> well, yes. i was surprised as i was talking to people a lot of the leading counterterrorist activists and analysts that i know, and they were saying, you know, we really ought to think about erasing raqaa, the capital of isis, basically taking it out, sending innen a airborne unit, bombing
it, doing whatever it takes, not because that is going to solve the isis problem. but if france and its allies don't respond very forcefully right now, if they try and just continue a policy of containment and control, well, it's obvious they're not containing or controlling isis and eye lis will have won. i was surprised at the consensus on this point. >> in the last panel we also brought up and what many said, the approach needs to be ideological in approaching this and having an effective fight against isis instead of military, it has to be dealt with ideologically. >> well, yeah, that's all great to say, let's deal with it yid y y y ideologically. these people are motivated by
testosterone, anger, frustration and almost nothing that has to do with ideology but they're very successful sploided by the people running isis. what do you counter that with? when people say we should fight the ideology, get them to say what ideology they're going to counter it with. >> i spoke to your league dana kennedy last night who lives there, who frankly says i'm a little bit afraid of the paris and the france to come in the future. do you share that same fear after these attacks? >> reporter: i'm sorry, there's a lot of noise here. can you just repeat that quickly? what did dana say? >> she said frankly i'm afraid of the france and of the paris that is my home in the days to come after this. do you share that same fear? >> yeah. i think there's a lot of concern. a lot of us have written a lot about terrorism and watched these kinds of things. know that for instance if there
is another hit, if isis carried out another attack on soft targets here in france or maybe a couple that are anything like the ones we've just seen -- they're almost impossible to defend against -- then i think that it will continue to drive wedges deeper and deeper into this society. i think a lot of us are very concerned that there will be another attack. >> christopher dickey, thank you for your perspective. still to come this here, nbc's erica hill has an incredible interview from a survivor inside the concert hall where 89 people were killed. what he saw and how he survived. bring us your aching
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opportunities with the internal and exterior frontiers. it is high time to implement this positive. france reestablished controls and reinforced them because of the state of emergency and they will be ongoing because since the terrorist cross also the external frontiers we hope that the propositions made by france will be implemented by other countries of the european union. we have addressed this propositions to the council in order to go ghafaster. at the level of cooperation between france and belgium concerning intelligence and concerning legal matters and
police matters, there's going to be and meet iing to make fast decisions. so to conclude, i wish to tell you that tonight i'm meeting at 8:00 p.m. with the commissioner and the president of the council in order to prepare the meeting of next week because the european authorities accepted the proposition of france and a big part of the fight against terrorism will depend on the dispositions that we take inside our frontiers. much also depends on the decisions taken -- >> that is a briefing by the interior minister of france, along with belgium authorities speaking about the efforts together in dealing with the paris attacks and also how the
investigation may be continuing given that at least five were arrested in belgium and also talking about the sharing of information, how that will be implemented advancing their investigation and finding out more behind these attacks. i want to bring in now from washington, d.c., the martin j. gross fellow in the program on arab politics where he focuses on syria and u.s. policy. andrew, i appreciate your being with us here. want to talk about this specifically with the war in syria and europe's refugee crisis where many some of the more pressing topics among these world leaders takes place. outside of strengthening partser inships with our allies what kind of results with come out of the meetings in turkey, specific lip with the migrant crisis and now in europe and given the fact one or more of these attackers may have gone through greece with a syrian passport? >> very good questions.
i think that there's a tendency here especially under such summits to try and deal with it diplomatically and as best these countries can. they've been in disagreement over syria and there is still lots to be resolved in syria. in the short term i think a lot of the leaders here are going to talk about how are they going to hit isis more effectively hit isis. how do you get the russians to attack isis and not the opponents of assad, for example. lots of tough questions that are addressed face to face. >> talk about the united states and especially given our policy and current strategy with many people believing that the strategy isn't working, it is not strng enough. and if anything not to mention the russian jetliner that went down, the twin bombings in beirut, that this should be the wake-up call that's long overdue
especially when people in both parties are feeling like there isn't that sense of emergency with what's being called a game changer with isis. how does that need to change? >> i think first of all i think there is widespread now recognition that our policy against isis and in syria has failed. the reason why isis exists is because syria broke down and we were unwilling to do something earlier. now it's much more dangerous, much more complicated. the question is what to do now. i think you're going to see an operation targeting isis and also some really intense diplomacy to try and de-escalate the syrian war, if that's possible, and to bring about a sustainable settlement there. but if we don't have a sustainable settlement in syria, isis is going to have a durable safe haven for years to come. we cannot accept that. it is too dangerous for our european allies and too dangerous for the united states. >> interesting to see how that policy will change and the action that will be taken by france and president hollande. up next, how one person in paris survived the attack inside the concert hall where so many
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we have seen the horrifying video from inside the bataclan concert hall the moment gunmen opened fire. earlier this morning on the "today" show, erica hill spoke to one of the survivors that was there. >> is it so easy to hate and fear? when i got out first thing i thought about was my loved ones. you know? and there is no possible -- in they possible way to have hate. i cannot -- i don't feel revenge. i don't -- some people say we have to be -- i don't know -- i don't know. people you care about you want to see them again. >> you were in this concert hall, you had just moved up to the front. one of your favorite songs was
playing. you said that may have saved your life. at what point was it that you realized you were in the middle of a terror attack? >> they were playing the song. it was the end of the song. and we heard the fire trucks. we didn't know it was fire trucks. it wasn't in rhythm at all with the song and we watched the band and they were like, oh, this is not in the song, what's happening? and people starting to collapse. >> was it -- there have been accounts that perhaps some people were targeted, even people in wheelchairs may have been targeted. >> i don't know. >> did it seem random to you? did it seem like it was spraying the room? >> i didn't see but it was random. i was there maybe for 10 or 15 minutes. they shot maybe 100 rounds. it was random. i don't know. you know. >> then you had to run. do you remember that? do you remember those moments as you ran out of the concert hall? >> i remember that i was in the
middle of the mosh pit. we were maybe -- i don't know -- maybe 100, 200 people there. they were shooting at us. at us. i'm tall, as you can see. i strangely play video games and i know what stands outside is being shot. i knew that i was not going to survive there, to be honest, and i couldn't -- i was back to the back of the scene, so i couldn't see them. i was waiting for them to leave but i couldn't see and didn't want to stick my head out because i didn't want them to shoot me. >> and you made it out. you were able to run, and your friends were okay, too? >> yeah. >> thank you for sharing some of your story with us. i know it can't be easy, but we appreciate you taking the time. >> can i add one more point? the message that's important is to love each other.
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cathedral is kelly cobiella. tell me about the crowds. >> reporter: people are starting to arrive here. i'd describe it as somber and soul-searching today in paris. a lot of these makeshift memorials that have popped up, people are gathering to pay their respects. usually very quiet laying flowers. sometimes messages. and then these conversations break out among people who are standing together about why it happened and what needs to change in society. very big discussions and debates that people are having around the world and also in very small places like at these makeshift memorials. today in place de la republique people started chant, "never again, never again" and "we are not afraid." this service will begin in about
a half an hour. before that at 6:15 local time, in about 15 minutes, the bells of notre dame cathedral will ring out. the cardinal is presiding over this ceremony. the cathedral has been closed for the past several days for tourists but tonight it's been opened up to families of victims and to survivors. the cardinal andre van toise saying we will pray to embrace hope, not heat. >> many people heading to the cathedral looking for the comfort and solace amongst each other. thank you, kelly cobiella reporting in paris. msnbc's continuing coverage of the attacks in paris will continue right here throughout the day. we appreciate your being with me for the last two hours. my colleague alex witt picks up our coverage at the top of the hour. this guy from engineering says
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it is approaching noon on the east coast in new york and almost 6:00 p.m. in paris. and that is a look at those that have gathered around memorials in paris. a number of them have sprung up. and also there's a memorial service beginning at the notre dame cathedral right in the heart of paris that will be beginning momentarily. it's nearly 48 hours since terrorists struck as france mourns. the manhunt is still on for those connected to the attacks. i'm alex witt in new york. richard lui is in paris for us. richard, we're going to go to you in just a moment. here are the up-to-the-minute headlines. ap is now reporting seven people have been detained in belgium in connection with the attacks. belgian officials say a joint franco-belgian