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because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." good evening. the french government says french launched air strikes against the isis held city of raqqa in syria. that's the group's defacto tap pal. this after 129 people were killed in paris on friday. following a series of coordinated attacks targeting restaurants, soccer stadium and concert hall. video of that last attack at the
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bataclan concert hall emerges, when terrorist opened fire during performance. meanwhile, a manhunt is under way for an eighth suspect believed to be involved in friday's attacks. french officials identifying the suspect as belgium born man. 26-year-old abdeslam salah. police say they stopped him near the belgium border but released him after an id check, failing to make the connection in time. belgium officials linking them to a rental car place in paris. as many as three of the seven suicide bombers involved were french citizens, according to the associated press. one man identified by fingerprint was 29-year-old
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mustafi, who had been flagged in 2010 for ties to islamic radicalism. this as paris remains a city on edge and in grief. french troops have been bedeployed throughout the city. hundreds of mourners gathered earlier, fleeing after loud noise nets area triggering a moment of panic. joining me now, chapman bell. chapman, what are things on the streets like now? what is the mood? >> reporter: chris, it is relatively quiet that time. you can see behind me there is still people paying respects. the bataclan theater is just mind me. that's where -- [ inaudible ] >> okay. chapman bell there in paris at this moment. we appear to have an audio
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difficulty with his mic. we will get that addressed and come back to him. he is standing outside what is a makeshift memorial to those there at the betaclan music hall. we will see if we can get chapman's mic fixed. f now, where were you friday night? >> i was on vacation in paris. the apartment i was staying in was pretty much next door to the site of the attack. i was coming down the apartment, probably right when it occurred because i didn't hear gunfire. i believe i was in the elevator when the guns went off. as soon as i step outside, the first thing i see, is a man with a bloody hand, blood dripping on the sidewalk, t-shirt, rag, towel rwrapped around it. i move a couple feet, see police officers. guns out, hunched behind vans as
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if they are getting ready for a shootout. while dozens of onlookers, circling around, snapping photos, not knowing where this occurred or if it occurred somewhere else in the city. >> so they are not processing what they are witnessing. >> there is gossip bubbling up from the crowd. we can see guns drawn but nobody saying get away bp nobody saying, this is dangerous. nobody saying, leave. the human response is, nobody is saying it leave, so the instinct is, this might be a safe place when we didn't realize what we were in. >> the police officer, as my understanding, the it was happenstance in the area. they were not called there, they happened to be there. >> it seemed so. there were such a few. a couple of police officers. they did not have big guns. firefighters were there between the police officers. they scurried to shut down roads. there were not enough men on scene, i believe, to tell onlookers such as myself, this is a dangerous place. you need to leave. >> you didn't see the perpetrators? >> i don't think i saw them. you can't tell, there is so many
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people. >> part of what is so clear about the strategy behind this atrocity was to create as much terror as possible. hit places not considered targets. just open area public streets. >> absolutely. but the same time, you walk 20 feet from where this attack was, and nobody had any idea what is going on. it t was friday night. people on their phones, laughing, drinking. having a friday night. they had no idea, the plaza derpuplique. >> onlookers scratching their heads. one man shot. not ripples of panic. people aren't running and fleeing the scene, they are trying to figure out what heck they are witnessing. >> if anything, people are drawn to the scene because something going on and they can't tell what it was. it is a car crash that occurred and people gravitate towards it. and the first thought, take out your phone. >> so everyone is there with their phones.
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>> yes. i realized before, there are guns involved, and people have their phones out snapping photos. >> at what point do people, where the official part of the attack hits, and people in a very large stadium hear this explosion and don't know what to make of it. and there is poor cell service. at what point do you, seth, understand what you are in the midst of? >> it was such a gradual drip of information. you saw someone who said they saw someone shoot from a car. they say they saw bodies fall. you are piecing this together. is there anything on twitter? so i sear much in french for the area. there is almost nothing. almost nobody said anything. there is nothing in english. so i had to let people know, stay way. when someone told me a guy with the gun is still in the area. i wanted to make sure that
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nobody came to this area because people were watching to it. so i tweeted, get the f away from this area if you are in pair piri paris. that is the first that i know of of anything in english about getting away from here. >> are police still sort of behind that car or are you walking down the street? are you back in inside or people are pushed back in. >> this is a multistage city wide attack. i thought it was isolated. i thought, if i get away, i'll be safe. this is a wide opena area. i thought i need to find a narrow alley way, side street, no clear line of sight. that's where i book it to. i try to find somewhere there. i was calling in a news program. only when i'm on the phone line ready to be patched in, i'm hearing the live feed. that's when i hear there is a bomb and that's when i hear it is more than what i just saw. >> the dawning sense of the magnitude of what happened, sounds like if was shared by
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much of paris. i think part of the strategic goal of the people who did this stuff. seth, thank you. >> thank you. back to chapman. you were saying people had gathered in the makeshift memorial near the bataclan concert hall that were coming to pay their respects. >> that's right. the difference between yesterday and today could not be more different. it was like a ghost town. however, people were out in full force filling the street, this makeshift memorial here just outside the bataclan theater. they were out spending the day, not knowing what was happening, locked in their homes it seemed. but they were out in full force. however, just in the early evening, there was a false alarm and people started running from cover. there was a big group of people
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gathering at the memorial that was the center piece for the "charlie hebdo" attacks and was central for these attacks. people started running for their lives. running out of cafes. running into basements of buildings. then reduce to pears. but a false alarm, nothing happened. it helps paint the mood here. while people are very resilient, they are also very fragile still and remaining very alert. chris? >> chapman, there was in the wake of the "charlie hebdo" attacks, there was the remarkable march in the streets days afterwards. international leaders came. but mostly a show of defiance by the french people that they would not be coward. is there any discussion of such a thing right now in pariparis? >> well, they had a memorial
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today at the notre dame cathedral. because of the state of emergency ordered here, they are still not able to protest or gather. the people of paris are not meant to be gathering in large groups. these attacks, as many people have spoken to, said they were more serious than the previous attacks. not just number, but the coordination. i think people want to wait and see what happens before they start to show resilience and emotion in such a way as they did after the "charlie hebdo" attacks. >> paris remains, essentially, a sit thee that's shut down. the basics like the paris metro, other municipal buildings. public transportation more broadly. museums. tourist sites. do we know how long that period will extent? >> well, for the foreseeable
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next few days to see what is going on with the suspect and wary to what is open with various landmarks like the eiffel tower or euro disney. i think also the people here are not real oo interested in going to the big public places right now. i think they are waiting to see what happens. as i said, people were on a knife edge today when they thought there was a possible attack. i think people are really fragile and aren't looking to go to these places as of now. >> all right, chapman bell live from paris. thank you very much. joining me now by phone is paul akerman. editor and chief of huffington post france. paul was describing today, the first day parisians are able to leave their homes at all, really. but still a real mood of fear in the city. that's probably exacerbated by the fact that there is an active manhunt for the suspect. >> yes, what happened in early evening today, panic moment.
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it was pretty sad because the french people, the french people really need to show solidarity, to show resilience. as you said, for "charlie hebdo", there were millions of people in the streets. now we see that is not possible any more. that we not have this positive thing coming after such a dramatic event. >> where do you see french authorities going in the next few days? obviously president hollande said we are at war. we have news strikes in raqqa. there is a state of emergency. there is talk after french interior minister talking about closing down mosques that they think preach radicalism. what is going to unfold, do you think, politically in this week?
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>> tomorrow is the big political day. because the comrades are going to be in the same room with the president for only the second time in 50 years. and they will talk about changing of laws for the state of emergency. and they will have to, for prime minister, will have to show strength, to be tough on those, we are talking about the french -- and this is the next government and so, going to be a particular week for politics in france. >> paul akerman. thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, the terror in paris and france's air strikes
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technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank. friday's deadly take in paris was days after a bombing in beirut. both signal a new era for isis. the showing both its capabilities and surpassing syria and iraq and came in the western aided campaign to stem the fight on the battlefield. syria losing key areas in the fighting just prior to this wave of attacks. efforts to roll back the areas under isis control have been amped up with france conducting just within the last few hours air strikes on the isis held city of raqqa. joining me now from beirut is amman aldeen. i'm anxious to hear those from
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the perspective in beirut who just 48 hours earlier witnessed a horrific attack in the southern area of beirut. >> there's been a tremendous outpouring of sympathy, no doubt about it, when you speak to ordinary lebanese. and there's a very close relationship between lebanon and france. a lot of lebanese have spent time in france. they really viewed -- as a double attack. one on lebanese citizens here and then also after what they saw take place in france. there has always been some interesting commentary in lebanese media about some of the outpouring of sympathy that's been focused at france. there's no doubt about what has happened in france has been tragic. but they are also saying some of that outpouring of support was not shown to the lebanese people following their deadly attack and they say it is the same
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whether it is happening in paris or happening in beirut. when you speak to ordinary lebanese. and they talked about some of the kind of characteristics that have been marked by the paris terrorist attacks, including facebook turning on the feature about safety check-in. and not everybody changing their pictures and profile pictures to have the lebanese flag. a point constantly made was, if the international community is really suffering from all of this terrorism, then the international community then should react it terrorism with the same kind of condemnation and rigor that we have seen not only in lebanon -- not only in france but also in lebanon and elsewhere in the region. >> we don't know yet definitively whether the bomb that -- it appears to be, reporting indicates, intelligence believes, a bomb is what brought down the russian airliner in egypt. if indeed that turns out to be isis. isis claimed credit for the
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bombing in beirut. claiming credit for the massacre in france. that would be isis striking russia, essentially hezbollah and its allies and france and the eu within the span of a week. what conclusions can be drawn about what is happening with isis at this point? >> yeah. you can definitely conclude that isis is morphing into a global terrorist organization, than it has the ability to actually inspire attacks as we've seen in the past and what has been characterized as lone wolf attacks. but these attacks carry a slightly different characteristics. they show a more intimate control and command, if you will, by isis. the fact that there is a lot of questions surrounding how an explosive device may have been implant own implanted on a plane in egypt. however, if western intelligence believes that the case. here in lebanon, a multiple suicide bombing attack. as we see in paris, they have
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suicide vests and rifles. it seems the degree of sophistication are a little bit getting stronger and it also shows that isis has the ability to develop and carry out on the promise. if you come inside syria and iraq we will come to your backyard and take you there. when you look at three targets, hezbollah here in beirut, russian airline full of russian civilians in egypt and in paris, these are three countries and here in lebanon and hezbollah and militia organization. all involved in the war against isis and ice sis delivering on its promise to take the fight to their backyard. showing that the organization has a very different global outreach and it certainly showes it has an ability to deliver on what it says it is going to do. >> on the other side of that, we have seen isis has actually had real battlefield defeats just in the past month.
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they just lost mount sinjar, the taking of which prompted american intervention to begin with 15 months a go. it does seem like a certain strategic madness to essentially murd civilians of three different entities in a short span as you are sustaining battlefield losses. >> and isis has been clear about this in the past. if you take a look at statements and propaganda material that has come out and they've demonstrated over the course of these past, a certain type of resilience on the battlefield. they have lost senior members of the organization to u.s. drone strikes. they've lost key members of their ability to finance. they've lost territory in some areas of iraq after pushed in and pushed out in areas of the sunni arab heartland, if you will, of iraq. so despite some of these
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battlefield losses, they have shown an ability to regenerate and shift areas they lost to take new areas. this is a major setback with you are talking about, losing sinjar mountaines a few days ago. pt peshmerga is an advance for those fighting against isis. whether or not that changes the dynamic in the ongoing battle, certainly in iraq, it remains to be seen. but no doubt over the last 15 months that isis has had a strong hold, you have had thousands of people travel to join the fight in iraq and sy a syria. they've gotten battlefield experience. they have learned how it fight. what happens to the folks if isis begins to break up and -- and these fighters melt away as we've seen in the past. >> all right, ayman mohyeddin. thank for joining me, that was
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great. >> and the paris attackers, some interesting details just ahead.
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all right, tonight we are learning more about the identities of the paris attackers. we know as many as three of them are french zints. one of the attackers was in possession after syrian passport. a french source close to the investigation confirming to nbc news, the syrian passport found by authorities was in fact on the body of one of the attackers. that passport was used to travel through greece early last month where it was registered on the greek island of leros. the person that held that document, one of thousands of refugees and migrants that arrived on the greek island everyday. we don't know if that passport was real. syria says it was registered with macedonia days later.
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migrants are fleeing the war zone in syria is creating further backlash on the continent. both sweden and macedonia moved it tighten border security. officials are coming under increased pressure to rethink the current policy. earlier today, top eu officials say the refugee policy does not need to be overhauled. adding that quote those who organized these attacks and those who carried them out are exactly who the refugees are fleeing. joining me now is laura. a huge political issue across the continent. there is a huge influx of refugees compared to germany and other countries further east in eastern europe. >> yes and no. no because they don't want to stay on it's one of the biggest surprise of all of the french journalists while following this story. the other thing is yes because most of the big ones are going
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to want it go to england, want to take this train in the past month. there were multiple fights between the french police and migrants used as an escape city to go to england and really wanted to jump in this train and created multiple problems. it is a very sensitive issue at this moment. and for the french president hollande, it is a political nightmare. because what do you do with the police regarding the migrants. in the united states, you speak a lot about wars, candidates talking about building wars against immigrants. in france, at this moment, the far right will use those type of arguments, they will say we don't want the migrants. we have to close borders. we are right by saying that. it is going to be extremely difficult. then you have a lot of legal
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problem with what we call in france fish s. i will say it is called the knot s and it is put in place by french authorities to see what people are radicalized or tempted by terrorist. and those people are fully radicalized and have papers and the whole system has to be completely rethink to make sure for the french people that the migrants and the people who come to france who want to find a job are the people who are trying to be fully radicalized. are really watched. nobody knows thousand do that. it is a very sensitive issue at this moment. which, i should add, elections coming up in three weeks in france. with the far right rising.
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and tomorrow president hollande want to avoid that and that is why he is asking french congress to be united and be on the left side to make sure the far right is not going to determine that debate. >> laura, so far we have the one word of the attackers of the syria not passport, but the one not identified is a syrian born and raised 880 kilometers from paradise and some of the men were beljian citizens that brings up a deeper issue. before we get to the question of french-born citizens being radicalized. there is part of the fact that made the migrant issue so difficult is the borderless area of the 36 countries in the shangri-la area and i imagine french counter authorities have to be pretty live thid this mor
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as they find out that much of the plot was coordinated in neighboring belgium and after "charlie hebdo" there were raids on brussels as well. >> yes, but the radicalization of some young people in belgium, a few weeks ago as you remember, man tried to do a terrible attack on a train. the train was coming from belgium to paris. and inside the train you have three american heros who avoided massacre. belgium is very key element in what's happening at this moment in europe. according to the intelligence service. called belgium -- why? because it is really, really an easy place for people to build up cells and from belgium to go
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to some neighboring countries. the french police and french intelligence watched very carefully some part of -- you have attack a few months ago, and even a few years ago, from a french citizen who went to the jewish museum to kill jews. belgium is a very sensitive place for people fighting extremists. >> laura, thank you very much for your commentary tonight. appreciate it. coming up, the latest on the investigation into the terrorist attacks in paris. don't go anywhere. it's more than a network and the cloud. it's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services -
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democratic race took place. reworking plans at the last minute to talk about the terrorist attacks. the the campaign said it was unfair to turn the evening into a foreign policy debate on the day of the debate, aides to sanders later disputed that account. and not to take plis on the weekend, saturday night had the lowest ratings, not you are surprisingly. the first half hour focused on how best to combat the islamic state. hillary clinton coming in with criticism from borernie sanders and martin o'malley. >> we have to look at isis as the leading threat of ant international terror network. it cannot be detained. it must be defeated but cannot be an american fight. i think what the president has consistently said, which i agree with, is that we will support those who take the fight to isis. >> i would disagree with secretary clinton respectfully on this score.
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this actually is america's fight. it cannot solely be america's fight. >> let me have one area of disagreement with the secretary. i think she said something like, the bulk of the responsibility is not ours. well, in fact, i would argue that the disastrous invasion of iraq, something i strongly oppose, has unravelled the region completely. and led to the rise of al qaeda and to isis. >> joining me now, michelle goldburg, column next for "slate." what did you think of that first half hour of the debate last night? >> seemed they were all not at their best for various reasons. i mean, maybe bernie sanders because he wasn't talking about the issues in his wheel house and i think came off a little bit more hawkish than some of his supporters might suspect he is. >> or recognize that he is. he actually has, not to say he is hawkish but there are a variety of issues he has
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supported. >> i don't think he is particularly hawkish but he is certainly not a passivist. as hillary clinton, this should have -- it seems actually sort of tawdry to say it should have worked to her advantage, but she is on firm ground with her foreign policy experience and she is on the record as differing with the obama administration's syria policy. so she could have presumably put a little bit of distance between them and her when there was all these questions about doesn't this prove that obama's policy is insufficient. i don't know that that's the kind of correct policy thing to do, by i was sort of surprised she didn't do it politically. >> it was interesting to me of her to say it cannot be detained, it has to be defeated. and president talking about detaining ice ace day or two earlier, that seems to be a specific attempt to distance herself from the white house on this policy.
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>> she could have sum out and said -- right, she has been hit from the left for wanting to go in stronger on syria an she could have claimed this as partial vindication of her instinct ne the region. . that would have been the wrong thing to do in terms of policy because it would have meant committing her administration to a much greater role in syria. but politically, i think was a little bit hard, i'm guessing, for most observers to figure out where the daylight is between these three candidates. they all sort of had answers that were -- they were differing around the margins. but they basically kind of know that status quo is untenable and know that any american intervention is unlikely to make things better and it's an impossible situation according that not -- you know, the republicans are lucky in that their policy positions don't actually have to be tethered to reality. >> in both cases, i think any time this issue comes up in any
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debate, it is muddled, because at its base it is deeply complicated and difficult. michelle goldburg, thank you. >> thank you. we are following the latest in the aftermath. french officials said they launched a massive air strike on isis in syria under retaliation. french interior minister said he will shut down mosques in france quote where hate is preached. bill, that quote is getting a lot of play. there are a lot of folks in france across a political spectrum and of the many different groups in france looking with nervous eyes towards what is going to happen come sun rise tomorrow. >> yes. absolutely, chris. this is a city in shock. a city on edge. a point not far from here where this afternoon fire crackers went off but people thought they were gunshots. and hundreds of people fled in
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absolute terror falling to the ground. crashing into cafes and restaurants. looking for cover anywhere they could find it. it was a false alarm but it goes to show how much people here are braced for another attack. this is the first day of three days of mourning here in paris. the bells of the famous notre dame cathedral tolled today for 129 victims. you can see behind me, one of the numerous makeshift shrines at which people are leaving candles, flowers, personal messages, and one of them today, i honestly don't think i've seen so many people cry at one place where there have been killings before. it was a sea of tears. we are about 100 yards from the concert hall where 89 of those victims died. that is most in a sense of the massacre victims. it is about 100 yard down there. and earlier today, video emerged
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from that site of the horror that emerged in that concert hall. take a look. >> this is the moment of the deadliest massacre began, the band playing to a sell-out crowd when suddenly, gunfire. a guitarist rushes off stage. most were trapped. >> explosion, screams. >> by the time police stormed the hall, seen here in "time" magazine video, three terrorists killed 89 people. a warning, the aftermath is shocking. even obscured, the horror is clear. this man police suspect is an accomplice of the killers and he is on the run. abdeslam salah, 26 and from belgium. police say he is dangerous. do not approach. police found a car aband yned with three guns and empty magazines inside. and they are looking for a bomb
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maker. the terrorists had identical vests with nails inside. there are strong links between the killers and isis members in iraq and syria. paris this morning was a haunted place. >> it's hell. it's not even a war. it's hell. it's a nightmare. people were hiding by dead bodies. >> amy gonzalez, a california student. >> she wanted to have a career and family. >> the faces of some of the 129 dead stair out at the places where they died. many here can't put their grief into words. >> one of my best friends died here. >> the site of a massacre has become a shrine of tears. but also of a fierce determination here, that the killers who did this, will not win. almost a hundred victims are
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still critically ill. paris is in shock. so on edge that noise of fire crackers sent hundreds fleeing in terror. police with guns drawn. the bells tolled for the victims, paris tonight in mourning. >> and just a few hours ago, chris, france bombed the isis strong hold of raqqa syria. 12 aircraft hitting multiple targets. biggest french attack on isis so far u.s. forces also involved. france had vowed that it would respond to the attacks here, which it called an act of war. this does look like revenge. chris? >> bill, one thing i wonder, if you could shed a little light on, that is a little confusing to me. the gentleman that is on the run, the suspect, abdesla abdeslam salah, it is unclear
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whether french authorities say he was one of the perpetrators of the eight that they have encountered seven and one is missing and it's he. or whether all eight as initially reported perished in the attack and this is one suspected to be an accomplice. can you shed some light on that? >> yeah. there is a gap in the numbers. french police are only telling us what they absolutely know. what we know, isis said when claimed the attacks is that eight of their fighters had carried out the attacks. the number of dead, mostly blown up with their own suicide vest, french authorities put at seven. so the presumption was there was a missing eighth attacker. police, about 24 hours later, found a car on the edge of the city, and in it were three clash no cough rifles, and magazines. obviously someone had driven that car. the person who drove that car was either number eight, the
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suspected eighth attacker, or there are more accomplices. and chris, the other thing that french authorities are not saying is that they do suspect privately that there may also be a bomb maker involved in this. the suicide vests were quite sophisticated. they were identical, for a start. seven of them. they were also packed with nails, shrapnel, screws, as well as the explosive. that takes some building, as it were. it's not something that an amateur does. and these vests were identical. french authorities are looking for an explosives expert, someone who might be beyond the seven or eight that we know about. in addition, chris, there have been arrests in belgium. five people arrested there. it is quite clear that at least half the cell was based in brussels in a suburb called molenbeck, which is well known to have islamist links.
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this isn't just about france. it is cross-border investigation and these killers have links with iraq, with syria, and with belgium. >> thank you very much. up next, a look at how 2016 campaigns are responding to friday's attacks in paris. opportunity has no slow season. no off-days, or downtime. opportunity is everything you make of it. this winter, take advantage of our season's best offers on the latest generation of cadillacs. the 2016 cadillac srx. get this low-mileage lease from around $339 per month, or purchase with 0% apr financing. and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm.
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candidate mitt romney, saying waging war on the islamic state, not harass it. many of the gop presidents tied the terror attack to immigration. and raising the subject that isil had slipped into the united states already or could do so if they plan to carry on allowing
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refugees. what marco rubio said they would do to fight the islamic state -- >> we should declare war and harness all of the power that united states can bring to bear both diplomatic and military of course, to be able to take out isis. we have the capabilities of doing this, we just haven't shown the will. declare a no-fly zone over syria. we engage with the sunni tribal leaders. em bed with the iraqi military. create safe zones in syria. garner the support of our european allies and the traditional arab states. >> then there will have to be a significant american engagement and that's why we should work closer to our alleys in the region. we also need to increase the number of special operators. key to the success is we have to
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conduct a special number of special operations attacks targeting isis leadership and revealing they are not invincible. >> joining me now, publisher of the federalist, ben, we were just talking earlier tht week about the last republican debate, particularly foreign policy section, and noting that the two people leading the field, ben carson and donald trump, have zero experience in the field but not only zero experience but genuinely appear to be at a loss in terms of the basic command. i wonder if you think the aftermaths of what happened on friday is going to have a real effect in how republican primary voters are thinking about this field. >> i think it will have a real effect. but not just an effect in the republican primary. i think going back to what michelle goldburg was saying on your program earlier, she talked about the fact that outsider republican candidates don't have to be reality based in their current conversation about things. i actually think it is this administration that is hampering hillary clinton in her conversations about these issues. she has it read off after bunch of white house talking points
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when it comes to the way things are going. and with this attitude i think is at odds with not just what the people think about are the current conflict if you look at polls but also at odds if you experience the headlines and stories they've seen not just in recent months but going back quite a long time. then when you get into the white house as long as president obama has, i think that you have a view that gets to be at odds with what is currently going on around the world. we saw it in 2006 with george w. bush. i think the same basic thing is happening again and i this i that will prove a real problem for her when it comes to a general election not just affect the current republican fray in terms of their conversation. >> i think there is two issues here. one is i don't understand why quote she has it read off white house talking points. it is already reported and on the record. >> sure. >> that she was urging earlier intervention in syria. more support for the rebel fighters earlier this that fight. so it seems she has an
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opportunity to distinguish herself in -- >> i think that she does have an opportunity. and i think that's going to be difficult for her to navigate. she can only criticize this president so much. he is still very popular with his base and she needs his coalition in order to win. but this is also a situation that is a real challenge for any party that has been in for as long as the executive branch. the foreign policy record that happens under your watch is one that accrues to that party. i think that republicans are certainly going to demagogue in the short term but in the long-term this could be a serious political issue. >> that's the question, right? first of all, it is going to be clear, interesting to see how this affects voters front of mindness with respect to these issues. which so far it hasn't been particularly front of mind it appears in either of the primaries. second of all, i was struck by listening to rubio and bush in which the strongest critiques are on things that are sort of conceptual rhetorical. the president doesn't use the
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phrase islamic. even falling short of the estimate of what people think are actual comprehensive ground force would be needed to defeat those 25,000 isis fighters. are we going to start to see more expressions of willingness for american troop deployment? >> i think you are going to see that. but i think the more immediate effect is on the conversation about migrants. you saw that issue come up in the debate the other night again. hillary clinton and the white house this morning again we're saying they were not going to be reconsidering that approach. and in a dramatic way. marco rubio shifted on this issue. ted cruz shifted on this issue to saying this something that aught to be reconsidered. there is this elite piety that said we should have these migrants brought in. no one should suggest this is a problem. that they could potentially include people that want to accomplish dangerous and bad things when it comes to attacking not just you know, nations in europe but america as well.
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i think that's a conversation that base is going to force on the republican party in a very aggressive way. that's the first place that you see this. >> and as of now a tremendously strenous vetting process, not necessarily perfect but a cry from landing in leros and ending up in paris. ben, thank you very much. >> good to be with you. >> wheel be back with more coverage on the latest in the paris terror attacks next. what super poligrip does for me is it keeps the food out. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. just a few dabs is clinically proven to seal out more food particles.
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