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on saturday and crossed the boarder in to belgium, where he escaped belgian police raid. good evening. >> msnbc's breaking news coverage of the response to the paris terror attacks continues right now. an intense calm has taken hold tonight in paris. as harry mentioned, a few hours ago a vigil at place de le republique turned in to to a scene of chaos. a false alarm, possibly caused by the sound of firecrackers sent mourners running for cover, fearing another attack. meanwhile, as the manhunt intensifies for suspects, french authorities are putting a focus on this man, abdeslam salah. he rented a volkswagen used and abandoned at the theater. police are warning the public if you spot him do not intervene on your own. saying don't intervene under any circumstances. we get more from richard engel.
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>> reporter: the attackers french officials believe operated in three teams, carry assault rifles and wore matching suicide vests. france's justice minister told us all seven are dead. >> no one who has participated in the attack is still alive. >> reporter: but she said the hunt is on for their accomplices. >> we are keeping working in order to identify all of the who aided them. >> they put out an alert for abdeslam salah. he signed the rental papers for one of the cars used by the attackers. french authorities have identified most of the seven attackers bodies. at least three were french. including 29 ismael omar mostefai identified by a severed finger at the concert hall. he had a record of petty crime and known to be close to radical islam. the cars were rented and the
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suspicion is the weapons were acquired and explosive vests made. this combination of angry young muslims from france with weapons from belgium is exactly what was behind the assault nearly a year ago on a french satirical magazine. after the "charlie hebdo" attacks, frempl security officials said they would focus more attention on poor immigrant neighborhoods like this one where young muslims were recruited by extremists. instead it appears the home grown radicals lichk linked up with isis. some of the attackers link up in france after joining the mass wave of undocumented migrants warveing up on greek shores. they released an image of a syrian passport and then in serbia and later next to the body of one of the attackers at the paris soccer stadium. a french official told nbc news it was stolen. >> that was nbc news chief
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correspondent are richard engel reporting. ea >> one of the guitarists runs off stage when you hear the gun fire start. 89 people were killed at the concert. for more bring in nbc news correspondent who is live from outside of the le bataclan theater which it is 2 clon 4 in the morning. tell us about the scene and what people are telling you. >> today it's been different than yesterday. there have been more people on the streets. in this area particularly, a lot of people coming to pay their respects. as you can see, there's a memorial that's been growing since these attacks here in memory of these people who were
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attacked. there was also, though, as these people were gathering in this area, as you mentioned, what is thought to be a firecracker sent people in panic running, thinking maybe there are more attacks on the way. the city still remains in a lot tension on a knife's edge really. we are also hearing from survivors inside of the le bat aclan theater that is behind me and hearing what they had to say about the attack in that venue. >> big explosion. our brothers in iraq. >> as you can hear from this
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survivor, he mentions the gunmen mentioned the french president hollande in the venue as the attack was carried out. now the french president has called this an act of war. tonight, we have been told that french warplanes have bombed areas in raqqa. it's just the beginning of france's response to these attacks or is this -- how will these continue in response to the attacks on paris? as said, the city remains in mourning for the victims. we'll see how they proceed from here. >> we may learn more about the french response will be. hollande will address the par limb tomorrow. the french interior minister announced an emergency meeting in brussels on friday to coordinate action to the attacks. on the ajen dark plans for a passenger name record system which would collect data on air
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and high-speed traif train travel in the european union. get more on this and the ongoing terror investigation from evan coleman, msnbc terrorism analyst and chief of research and development for flashpoint, an intelligence consulting firm. good evening. >> good evening. >> let's talk about belgium first. what is it about this neighborhood? >> belgium is a small country in europe. it's not what you think of when you think of islamic militancy. but there is a long history of militancy in belgium. not to mention if you look at the number of people that have gone to fight in syria, there are more belgian than french people you have to ask what is the reason? i think part of the reason is neighborhoods like molenbeek. as a result some of the people turned to extremism.
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>> this mollenbeek neighborhood, people who have been attached to the attack on the jewish grocery store, the guy who was on the train that the americans stopped, everyone seems, a handful of attacks have traveled through mollnbeek. >> you have a problem of arms smuggling and available of buying illegal weapons. that's a toxic mixture. to have an extremist community as long as people express the believes to each other and nobody else, that's their beliefs. >> help us on that. we know it is hard to get a gun or any explosive in france. is it that much easier across the border? >> if you have connections with the right criminal networks, yes. first of all, it's important to understand for decades, eastern europe has been a regular source of supply for illegal weapons of all kinds, including military grade weapons to be brought in
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to western europe and used not just in terrorist attacks but common crime. it happens if you are tied in to the right networks in belgium, yes. you have seen in multiple instances this year alone that individuals that wanted to carry out terrorist attacks all got their weapons from one place and that can't be a coincidence. >> this guy who's on the loose who they are looking for potentially, the eighth suspect in all of this, how tough will it be to track him down? was there a huge missed opportunity here? >> it is hard to say. europe there are police check points. he's not in an uncontrolled zone. his identity is well known in everyone in the region. i think he will be captured but there is a big caveat to this. this is not like the u.s. where there's a vast ocean that separates syria and iraq from us. there's a way to get to syria and iraq almost by traveling entirely by land from europe and western europe. there's a possibility that given the problems right now with
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illegal imgrants grags and the refugee flows and migrant flows, you look at the chaos surrounding the border check points in a place like calais, and you can see how someone might be able to sneak past security when they are overwhelmed with a multitude of different threats, not just terrorism. >> think of these brothers being in bell jerusalem, in this neighborhood, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that someone in the neighborhood could make suicide vests. >> that's one of the interesting parts here. were the vests really produced inside of belgium and who produced them? building explosives, you don't have to have a phd for it. in boston bombings we saw two knuckleheads built successful. >> how much different were these vests? >> these were suicide bomb vests, not pressure cookers wired to explode. someone produced real explosives here and doesn't look like they
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made it from fireworks. that's this key here. we have seen in cases in europe and switzerland, who is hardly a focus of belligerent action where isis members have been communicating back and forth on-line with bomb makers in syria and iraq asking how to produce these explosives knowing it was a matter of time before the advice was taken and put to use. >> this is a big leap and i will ask you to make leap on this one. you think perhaps these folks are trained in syria and then sent, left to do their work? is the trigger pulled from syria, or are they left to their own devices to carry out this plan? >> this is the most important question right now. i think we have seen some way isis is involved in. this at least resources indirectly provided by isis. they were talking about syria and iraq. one appears to have gone and trained there. how directly was isis involved? this is why we act. in the claim of responsibility they issued, they said there
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were eight suicide bombers or suicide attackers, and we only found seven. what happened to the eighth guy. of course there's no objective evidence whatsoever in that claim that would indicate they had foreknowledge of what was going to happen. everything could have been gleaned, not necessarily but could have been gleaned from reading western media reports and interestingly, at the time they issued that communique, western media was reporting there were eight attackers. if isis didn't have detailed knowledge of this at the centralized level, how much were they responsible for coordinating this? we don't know now. it is less of a question of who was responsible. no other group is issuing a competing claim. this appears 0 isis or isis inspired but how much were they involved in picking the targets and executing the plot. >> to get to the answer of the critical question, that would tell us a lot about what happened here and give us a sense of future potentially
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attempts to wreak havoc, what are they doing on the ground right now? what are intelligence officials focusing on? and who's involved in this. >> at this point it involves almost law enforcement agency between europe and syria. you are talking greek authorities, serbian authorities, folks in and outside of the eu that are looking at their border records, trying to see who came across, whether the passports match anyone who crossed their borders. >> fbi is sending electronics experts. >> that's the other thing. they want to find out -- these explosives they have traces of the chemicals used. what kind of chemicals? who produced them? how could they be produced by people in bull jerusalem that didn't have access to a laboratorla made these. if he is still alive it is like the underwear bomber. >> let's think of this for a
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second. the airliner sha, the ante te i. they put all the chips on the table. what's that about? >> when we look at this happening in what appears to be a steady drum beat it's easy to read in to this that isis is ramping up activity or interest in attacking us. that's possible. certainly this paris attack is difficult to argue otherwise. we also have to be cautious. look at the russian airliner. we don't know for sure that was terrorist terrorism. never mind whether or not it was isis. isis claimed credit, but just like in paris, their claim of credit offered no evidence they had done it and they said this weird language like prove to us we didn't do it. that's not the kind of thing you usually hear from a group that did something. maybe they did it, maybe not. >> beirut? >> beirut is almost certainly them. there have been a number of
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events but be careful about drawing too much meaning they have happened in quick succession because we don't know that all of them were the work of isis. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, french warplanes in coordination with u.s. military strike back at isis in syria. at the g-20, president obama says the u.s. stands in solidarity with france and orders all white house and government flags to be flown at half staff until thursday. as paris mourns its dead, the nightmare is not over for some families. diabetes, steady is exciting.
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dropped some 20 bombs on the isis defacto capital of raqqa, syria. according to france's defense ministry. french officials said the attacks were carried out in coordination with american
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forces. they say the attacks destroyed a command center, a recruitment center, a munitions depot and training camp for isis fighters. meanwhile, less than 500 miles away, world leaders met at the g-20 summit in turkey today t. president obama speaking alongside the turkish president said this about the attacks in paris. >> the skies have been darkened by the horrific attacks that took place in paris just a day and a half ago. as was true with the terrible attacks that took place, the killing of innocent people, based on a twisted ideology is an attack not just on france, not just on turkey, but it's an attack on the civilized world. as we, i'm sure each said to president hollande and the
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french people, we stand in solidarity with them in hunting down the perpetrators of this crime and bringing them to justice. >> the president also met with russian president vladimir putin on the sidelines of the summit. according to the white house, they had a constructive discussion on the conflict in syria. >> joining us now is a former u.s. state department and national ask security council middle east specialist under president bush and president clinton. she served at embassies across the middle east and ceo of a political risk consulting firm. good evening. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> let's look at he small picture if we can about the french air strikes. . still compared to the united states, a small percentage. what can they do? is this more about sending a message? >> i think it is much more about sending a message. there's no evidence these type of air strikes on their own without ground forces havery any real military impact and change
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the battlefield in any tahjable way. i think they are primarily sending a message, assuring the french people the government is serious about doing something. the much more important thing is the diplomacy that took place at the g-20 summit today and the vienna talks on syria on friday that secretary of state john kerry presided over. >> i'm wondering what you think the possibilities are there. there's a big set of opinions about what it will mean. will it be more conversations? will this change the calculus or more of the same? >> we really won't know until we see how committed countries are and heads of states in those countries to really changing policy to seeking a resolution to the conflict in syria and holding our nose, honestly and working with the sitting government in syria, which is the assad government. they are the ones that have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground that are fighting
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isis and working with other countries that we have to hold our nose to work with, the iranians and russians. they are the ones that have been very serious in prosecuting, not just against a narrowly defined, self declared group of isis but those jihadists that work together with isis that have the symbiotic relationship. they share weapons, supply lines, fighters. we are really going to have to hold our nose and get serious about this, both diplomatically and on the ground militarily. i think secretary of state john kerry really took a huge step on friday in vienna working hand in hand sitting side by side with the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov to say that's what we are going to do. it is a change in u.s. policy and if we can follow through we may see a different outcome than what we are seeing on the streets of paris, and other places. >> what we are talking about here -- this is harry smith
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here. there's this notion of trying to leave assad in power. this notion of let him be. does that then give the people who want to isolate isis and get rid of isis the opportunity then to actually carry through with a mission like that? >> well, i mean, president bashar al-assad, unfortunately i think many people to rush to judgment that he could be overthrown as quickly as gadhafi and there maybe some aftermath. as we have seen in libya there was no clean aftermath and wasn't one in iraq with the overthrow of saddam hussein. there was no real serious scenario for overthrowing assaded from the beginning. this is just a mess. to get serious we will have to deal with assad staying in power for however long that is. no one is saying we should core nate him king for life but we have to work with the players on the ground against isis and the range of jihadists there. that's the key point the russians have been making that now i think the u.s. has agreed.
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vench the frens r french, interestingly the former french president sarkozy said today. france, france one of the most staunch opponents of president bashar al-assad of syria, france would need a new policy to get serious here. i think you are seeing a lot of diplomatic pieces together, which could end up with a constructive outcome. we will have to see how serious people are in going through with it. >> another array of pieces coming together and a lot involved in the united states political system and the fact we are going in to 2016 and a call to just get tough. everything from just blow them out of the water, to boots on the ground, multiple candidates for president now suggesting we have to get more aggressive in our military stance, some suggestions by dianne feinstein, of course, who is a ranking committee on the democratic side talking about getting more aggressive. what does that mean? are you suggesting the military
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has to hold off and we have to see if any of these come to fruition, any of these meetings come to fruition and is there a reason expectation that will happen? >> there really isn't. we spent -- we spent ten years in iraq. more than 100,000 troops, a trillion dollars trying to find -- the precursor, the junior level of isis, when it was just ail kite ta in iraq. and the lead er, al baghdadi is iraqi. and that didn't work. we are not willing to send another 100,000 troops, spend another ten years and another trillion dollars. it is hard to see how there would be a dent here and the track record is not only will there not be a dent but may see something worse than isis. that's why you have secretary kerry very doggedly, very intensively but somewhat under the radar pursuing this diplomatic track 24/7. he's intensely pursuing it. that's the other piece here. you have the pr military
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component going forward an the serious diplomatic track. >> such a three dimensional chess game. think of all the interest groups in there, the saudis, iranians in there, who isn't in there and tied to some other terrorist entity. iranians with hezbollah. we could go on and on and on. this is not a simple problem to solve by any stretch of the imagination. >> that's certainly true but there are precedence. there was a civil war in lebanon solved. the key thing having these various groups they are the iranians, saudis, having them at the table, forcing iranians, saudis, the turks to deal with each other and come to some sort of accommodation and have a cease fire and negotiated settlement in syria is essential and for the first time in four years we are looking at that as a real possibility.
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while there is this understandable negativity and trauma and horror that would of happened in paris the silver lining it may give an impe tus to finally resolve conflict in syria and drain that swamp that isis lives and thrives in. >> thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. coming up, increased security in the u.s. what's done to protect americans from soft target attacks here at home.
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countries around the world including britain, germany, turkey and the u.s. have increased security since the paris attacks. u.s. cities, including new york, los angeles, and boston have more police officers on the streets. the nfl even increased security at its games today. it will be true tomorrow night, as well. >> adam riess is joining us outside of metlife stadium . the patriots took on the giants earlier this evening. i'm wondering how visible the extra security was, adam. >> reporter: it was quite visible. the nfl stepping up security, not only here at metlife stadium but stadiums across the country. these are high-profile targets.
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80,000 fans here tonight in the wake of the paris attacks. . new jersey state troopers in the parking lot when we arrived, roaming the parking lot, and checking cars. metal detectors at the gates. here tonight, there was increased security being very cautious as the fans went in. once inside more layers of security. troopers on the field and in the stands. it was very visible tonight. the nfl says they are working closely with the fbi and the department of homeland security to make sure the fans here were kept safe. they were in the parking lot tailgating most of the afternoon. i had a chance to talk to a couple of them. here's what they had to say. >> i'm cautiously concerned, you know, because they never expected what happened over there. an suddenly boom, a couple of bombs. listen, everyone's vulnerable. i believe in the united states our security system is better than it is. they had laxed their security
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and now they stepped it up after the fact. it's a concern but this is the giants. >> reporter: the nfl said the fbi told them there were no known threats made to any stadiums across the country. the fans just left. it seems all safe. there are troops as the fans leave but all safe from here. back to you. >> i love that guy. true new yorker. they are not going to mess in our house. no complaints. people understand what is going on and why it needed to happen? >> i talked to a couple of people who were cautious. a couple of women going in said it's on their mind. you heard a couple of people we spoke to in the parking lot said they are not so worried. they are confident in the protection they have in new jersey and in new york city. but they were cautious. they kept looking around. they wanted to see -- there are a lot of people here. thousands of people. this isn't the kind of place
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that you want to be around and you want to make sure you know your surroundings. be vigilant and aware. be aware of your surroundings. >> adam riess, thank you so much. i want to bring in michael. he former director of homeland security for new york state. thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. after 9/11 we did so much in the country to beef up security, airports and government buildings but was it inevidentable that a major strike at soft targets, stadium, concert hall, calf faf was almost inevitable. >> after the mumbai attacks in india where you saw the use of active shooters and improvised explosive devices it set everyone in the security field on edge, could this happen here? and what do we do to train our front line officers? what is happening right now is in all of these targets, there are three reasons why you see the ramp up, first is deterrent. you want to make a hostile
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environment for anyone that would try to do something. not that what that there is a plot here but someone inspired, not trained but inspired to do something here. the second is vigilance. make sure you can respond if something does happen and third is to reassure the public that you are doing everything you can to make sure they are safe. >> we did see that yesterday. one of the first signs of the response to the terrorist attacks was a visible increase in security at new york's times square. when our reporter who was down there talked to people it did seem to make them feel better. how good are we at the u.s. now in protecting soft targets? >> soft targets have not received anywhere near the funding for security as the airlines. the billions of dollars spend on tsa, that's really in response to the richard reid plot. the russian jetliner last week.
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it is a constant concern. soft targets, there are so many of them and a lot of times a combination of law enforcement, security, and private personnel that do the protections. so what is happening now is there is shared information that everybody's looking at what the social media models are saying, what they are finding in paris and what type of di device was used and also to make sure if there are other leads that perhaps didn't really pan out before, re-examine them. that's what -- principally the fbi, the lead agency in the united states is doing right now. they are running down leads. there are active cases in every state in the nation right now where you are looking at people because they may have said something, their travel patterns. that's what they are trying to chase down to see if any of those people pose a threat. >> michael, harry smith here. thinking of the old standard model with ail ail chlt /* /- --
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how is it we have not been able to have a soft target hit in the united states? we know about the diligence. now we are talking about different model, different animal. isis is a different animal. do we know enough about what's going on inside of an organization like this and what it's aims and real goals are? we were just talking moments ago about the way they have upped the ante in terms of the viciousness and volume of their attacks. >> well, what's particularly disturbing about the attacks in paris is after the "charlie hebdo" attacks, the french government ramped up their intelligence capabilities. they passed new laws that allowed for realtime surveillance of internet traffic and phones, without getting a warrant. and yet even with that, this attack was allowed to happen. so you have to sit back and say,
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what could they have missed, what would you do. from an intelligence perspective, if you talk to cia guys they will tell you the french intelligence agency is one of the four best in the world. now that being said, what about the united states? here we have a very different set of circumstances. 9/11 was truly the wake up call for this nation. it has been a long time since then. security really needs to be refreshed periodically. that is really what people are doing at the local and federal level. what are the things we need to do? one of them is we have to recognize that isis is a global marketing agency. they are out to recruit folks and get them to believe in what they believe in. yet, i think what we ought to do more of is countering that narrative. getting in to the social media sites and providing people with an alternative narrative that says you don't have to get involved in this. unfortunately there are some people who are susceptible to their message. >> michael, i was talking to
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someone who has a program actually at a mosque in northern virginia. they have a program for young men who they are concerned may be ripe for recruitment. one thing they said is a challenge for them, even though they may have programs and someone who's in frequent contact with a young man like this and tries to be encouraging and involved in their lives, that the advantage isis has is because of their on-line presence. they can be there 24/7. if this teenager or young man wakes up in the middle of the night and he's starting to think he's unhappy or he wants to know where to channel this negative energy, all he has to do is go on-line and there's someone there waiting for him. their recruitment is always there, right? >> absolutely. and very sophisticated. their messaging has gotten so much better. combine that with communications capability. what we are seeing from an operational perspective is that
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the terrorists were talking to one another and in a way that wasn't easy to intercept. now you have the twin problems of going on-line, getting to people, dark net messages and then the ability to get from an operational perspective and speaking in a way that we, in the federal government, state, local governments cannot detect what they are saying. the monitoring only goes so far. it has to become a part of countering a narrative and trying to provide an early as possible intervention to say you don't have to do this. of course being very aware of what's going on in the community. >> this whole notion, we used to hear about chatter all the time. no one is talking about that. >> michael, another question from the standpoint of talking about soft targets. we saw what happened in france and in lebanon, and i wonder if -- are we going to see a day in the not too distant future
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where if we want to go in to a restaurant or mall, to go shopping we will have to get wanded or go through a mag in the tommer the to get access. >> anyone who spent time in israel recognizes for their supermarkets you go through a magnetope magnetometer but they still have attacks. there's no foolproof method to deter targets in a democracy. that's the challenge here. it to be a combination of well resourced and active security personnel. the best intelligence you can get, and frankly, the experience of the community. if you see something say something. a lot of people say, yeah, we have been down that path. that gets so important. when it comes to spotting preparational surveillance like they did in paris to know where those sites were and what time to hit them. these are the types of things that -- the police and security
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agencies can do one thing but the man and woman on the street that work every day, know the rhythms and the pace of life, they provide an incredible valuable asset in what they see. >> michael balboni. thank you so much. he talks about being alert. if you spent time in israel you talk to a school kid who gets on a public bus to go to school, they will tell you they look for someone wearing a coat in inappropriate weather. they are tuned in to the possibility and part of their everyday life there. coming up more, the refugee crisis in the wake of the paris terror attacks. how the handling of syrian refugees, migrants could change in europe and the united states and what the 2016 candidates are saying about all of this.
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the attacks in paris reignited the debate over how to deal with syrian refugees after a syrian passport was found on the body of one of the attackers, according to french police. greek police source confirmed to nbc news that the passport entered europe through the greek islands. the greek island of leros last month. thousands of refugees arrive in greece each day. eu countries feared that terrorists could be among them. here in the united states on saturday, republican presidential candidate donald trump said the obama administration's plan to take in
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syrian refugees was "insane." jeb bush said this today on "meet the press." >> the great majority of refugees need to be safely kept in syria which means the safe zones need to be serious. we need to build a coalition that can fight both assad and isis and give people safe haven. i do think we have a responsibility to help with refugees after proper screening. i think our focus ought to be on the christians who have no place in syria anymore. they are being beheaded, excute by both sides. i think we have a responsibility to help. >> president obama's deputy national security adviser ben rhodes said this -- >> does the president have any pause about bringing syrian refugees in to the united states? >> no, chuck. we have very extensive screening procedures for all syrian refugees that would come to the united states. there's a careful vetting process that includes our
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intelligence community, national couldn't terrorism center, department of homeland security. we can make sure we carefully screen anyone who comes to the united states. >> joining us now is a reporter for the intercept. thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> just talk about the magnitude of this migration. how many people have been displaced by war in syria in the first place and just the untold multitudes trying to get out of the country? >> more than half of the syrian population has been displaced by this war at this point. hundreds of thousands of people are crossing through turkey trying to find safe haven from this conflict. you are seeing this refugee crisis grow over time. >> it's interesting to me one of the things one of our producers from "the today show" is just back from greece and she said what is interesting, just in the last couple of weeks, since russia has become involved and they say who they claim they are
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targeting, versus who the united states wants to target are completely at odds an who they say they are targeting and actually targeting are different things. these are middle-class people now. many of whom speak english, have professional skills are pouring out by the tens of thousands. >> right. you have to understand, as well. in syria, before the war started it was a middle-class country by and large. a high education and income. this war struck the lives of these people living normal lives. many of them engineers, doctors, people with professional skills that are fleeing the country in the last wave of exodus. >> do we have a good understanding of what the breakdown is? is it the united nations? if you listen to people who are critical of open borders, very critical of the refugee process, they will tell you 70% of them are single males and present a threat as possible foreign fighters or disaffected people
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that will wreak havoc. and then you talk to people that work with refugees in the refugee camps and they said the majority are women and children, and displaced families. what do we know for sure? >> the majority of people are as mentioned before, middle-class people from varying professional backgrounds. a lot of them are men because families can't afford to send the whole family at once. it is dangerous and the solution is to send a man that can make it there and they can bring the rest of the family if they make it successfully. >> the implication is if it is a man and he is by himself he is a threat. >> there are many families, men with single children as well. we have been trying to interview people -- by and large they are people fleeing their society and trying to find safe haifn in the conflict. >> what's your sense about what will happen now. you hear about austria tightening its border. serbia has done it. poland.
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country after country after country. this happens on friday night, how much harder is it going to be for refugees, migrants to move from grooeg greece and then further in to europe. >> it is undeniably going to effect it and more backing to the parties -- there is a initial report that one of the attackers was a refugee. it may have been unfounded. the passport was a fake, manufactured in turkey. regardless of whether any of these people were refugees, refugees will be blamed for it. it will make it harder to come to europe and harder for the countries who are having anxieties about the refugee exodus to accept them in the first place. >> will we see significant changes at the border. and are the eu likely to come to
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any unanimous opinion? >> unfortunately, it's going to lead to some degree at least the sort of response -- in fact isis may have been trying to generate people in the first place. they want to govern them and these people fleeing are people that didn't want to stay under their rule. for them it is the the ultimate tragedy. >> if what you suggested is true, a phony passport, a false lead, isis has done its own damage by creating the false lead. at the end 0 of the day if you can at least create the idea that a bad guy is coming in with these middle-class families, for instance, you have done enormous damage. >> right. if you study isis own statements their goal is for people to stay. they want people to stay. not only that, they want people who are left already or muslims living in western countries to come back and live under their rule. their means of doing that is to cause attacks, generate fear and
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anxiety and so absolutely. it's their strat sdwri to try to tie this to the refugee crisis and make it in to a broader issue than it is. >> these are people who are not going to live underal cally fate. >> they don't want to for sure. coming up, resill atlanta paris. tourist sites will reopen tomorrow as parisians prepare for the workweek and say their final good-byes. a little later on, the belgian connection. the brussels neighborhood authorities say is a nerve center for european jihad. hey i'm here on the red carpet where our next arrival is... whoa! toenail fungus!? fight it! with jublia. jublia is a prescription medicine used to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. are you getting this?! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. oh, epic moves, big j! fight it! getting ready for your close-up? ask your doctor if jublia is right for you.
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paris is called the city of light and tonight showing it is a city of resilience. >> reporter: in the heart of paris, a sea of strength. >> we just want to live. we just want to live. >> reporter: that message on full display. young and old united, a determined spirit. a collective desire to push on. ♪ >> why are moments like this important in france? >> i'm not sure i can talk
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really. we are afraid, but we don't want to be afraid and we want to fight against it. >> reporter: that fight tonight burning strong in each tiny flame and in the lights around the globe. symbols of a resilient city. ♪ >> reporter: reminders of the beliefs held deep in the french soul -- liberty, equality, fraternity. american susan giroux has lived in paris for 30 years. >> i don't think anyone will be able to tell parisians they can't go to restaurants or theaters. it's not the french way. >> the eiffel tower shining brightly again tonight. for parisians and visitors alike in we need to get on with our lives. we need to be brave and strong. not succumb to this type of terrorism.
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>> reporter: a symbol, perhaps, that this city, while still in mourning, is not in hiding. erica hill, nbc news, paris. >> how beautiful to see the eiffel tower lit up again. >> it is one of the great -- if not the most beautiful cities in the world. for any of us who lived in new york city for 9/11, there's a feeling that happens when the city comes together afterwards and defies. there's a defiance in everyone coming out and being together and singing those songs. >> no question. we have more breaking news ahead in our next half hour, the international manhunt for the brother of one of the dead terrorists. >> everything you need to know about isis, where are they? what do they want? how can we stop them from striking again? >> our special coverage "terror in paris" continues after this.
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right now on ms. s nbc, there's a manhunt for one of the suspected terrorists responsible for the attacks in paris that killed 129 people. authorities are searching for abdeslam salah. he signed for a rental car used by the attackers. frenchts retaliated and launched
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air strikes on a training camp in syria with the help of u.s. intelligence. president hollande vowed to crush the extremist group. tonight at california state long beach there was a vigil for an american student who was killed in the attacks. the vigil recognized students from france enrolled at the university. this is an msnbc special report on the attack in paris. >> we have new information tonight about the french attacks an the hunt for the terror suspect. we begin with more on the french air strikes. the french military, along with coordination from u.s. officials targeted the defacto capital of isis-held territory. that is a place called raqqa, syria. the french defense ministry said they dropped 20 bombs on multiple targets. those are said to include an isis command center, militant training camp and isis arms depot. the strikes were launched from bases in jordan and the

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