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air strikes on a training camp in syria with the help of u.s. intelligence. president hollande vowed to crush the extremist group. tonight at california state long beach there was a vigil for an american student who was killed in the attacks. the vigil recognized students from france enrolled at the university. this is an msnbc special report on the attack in paris. >> we have new information tonight about the french attacks an the hunt for the terror suspect. we begin with more on the french air strikes. the french military, along with coordination from u.s. officials targeted the defacto capital of isis-held territory. that is a place called raqqa, syria. the french defense ministry said they dropped 20 bombs on multiple targets. those are said to include an isis command center, militant training camp and isis arms depot. the strikes were launched from bases in jordan and the united arab emirates.
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u.s. air strikes also focused on targets in raqqa in recent months. for more on the reaction in the region, we turn to our reportinger in beirut. >> reporter: shortly after the french ministry of defense confirmed it had begun air strikes over the city of raqqa, we begin to hear from a group of activists who actually live inside of raqqa. keep in mind, it is always hard to independently verify information that comes out of syria. but this network of activists in the past has been credible. in fact, they tweeted at the same time these air strikes were beginning. we got a sense of what that was like. at the time the air strikes began, they were describing the sounds of drones and fighter jets over the skies of raqqa and describing the sounds of the explosions heard. some of the targets these activists say that have been hit as a result of these french air strikes include a command center in raqqa as well as a training
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site used by isis. now, the news of the french air strikes not perhaps a surprise after seeing what france has been going through the last several days but at an interesting time. given the fact that not long ago there was a massive ground operation launched by kurdish forces backed by air power from the united states and the international coalition to try to break up one of isis' strong fronts on the eastern front along the sinjar mountains to try to break up that front from raqqa to mosul. the military significance, while it may look like pure revenge for what happened in paris could be coordinated effort to coincide with the ground operations that have been launched to break up isis strong holds. it is going to be in the coming days that we will have a better military assessment of whether or not the strikes will do anything to dislodge isis from
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raqqa. raqqa is the defacto capital of the islamic state in iraq and syria. it will be interesting to see what comes out of these operations in the coming hours. harry, back to you. >> thank you. the manhunt for one suspect highly sought by police, this man, 26-year-old abdeslam salah has crossed the border from france in to belgium. we get more from our reporter. >> reporter: the manhunt for abdeslam salah has led detectives to belgium tonight. we just crossed the border from france, where there's ietenned and heavily armed security. it might be too late. french police confirming to the associated press that hours after the paris attacks salah was stopped but allowed to go free. it is believed three brothers were involved. salah is on the root, another
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blew himself up in the paris attacks and a third arrested in this brussels suburb. today alone, seven suspects were arrested in belgium. and real ization that one family from this suburb may have three brothers accused in connection with the massacre and concerns this small country is a hot bed of gee haddism. the question is one of the assailants who targeted paris hiding in this community? police warned the public not to approach him. harry? >> thank you. >> there are new developing reports the paris attackers may have used encrypted software from the playstation 4 gaming console and smartphone messaging service to communicate with each er. on "face the nation" this morning, police commissioner bratton expressed his concern about this development. >> this is the new paradigm we have to deal. your previous guests talked about the concern of going dark as the head of the fbi described
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it. these apps, these devices that now allow these terrorists to operate effectively without fear of penetration by intelligence services, this is the first example of this. >> joining us jack rice, former cia officer. good to see you. good evening. >> great to be with you. >> place station 4. what's going on here? going dark. this is go deeply disturbing on so many levels. tell us what you can about this kind of technology and why it may have worked in this instance. >> well, the biggest problem we have is it is constantly developing, constantly changing. the ability to keep up with this is something the u.s. government has a real problem with. if you look at the apps available, look at the various programs that are available to anybody, and this is just the general public, for the government to keep up with something this quickly can be very difficult. it's been a problem since long before 9/11. and it's getting expotentially worse.
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>> one point the president kind of joked but not really saying the old folks who work on this stuff and a lot of counter terrorism are going up against kids that haven't known a world that didn't have this kind of technology. and there's something to that, isn't there? >> oh, without question. i mean that's absolutely the case. if you think about it in your own home, what your children can do that you can't do. contemplate somebody who's been working on this for five or ten years and they are in their early 20s and the guys on the other side in their 40s, 50s and 60s. all of a sudden you realize who's at the cutting edge of this and it may not be the u.s. government. >> even if it is not the u.s. government, i wonder, everything, as you say, is changing so fast. it is unrealistic to think you will always be able to keep up? >> it probably is somewhat unrealic to assume you can. i think you can do everything you can and consistently as you can. it is more than dealing with technology. it is about getting good assets
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on the ground, using an cooperating with other intelligence services and trying to reach out, which is what we tried to do with the iraqis, what we have been trying to do with the french and what the west has been trying to do, sometimes well, sometimes poorly. >> jack, this is harry smith. just curious. we think of the government and this giant sifting system that's supposed to be going through all of these e-mails and telephone calls and everything else. >> tens of millions. >> and here we are talking about short circuiting this, at least on one level seems a simple way. have we been outdone, at least apparently outdone at this moment? >> i think the answer is yes. if we think about where we are right now, i have had people reach out to me and say you can communicate with me using an app that we download and we essentially sync them together and it can work around what the nsa is trying to accomplish. this is something you can do for
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free. contemplate what that means. we spent billions and billions of dollars and yet with something that is brand new and really easy and accessible you can work your way around is. it is petrifying? it can be. >> obviously you want to be on the cutting edge, ahead of the bad guys, but looking at what they have done and sort of doing the deep dive on it. doing the forensics on what happened here. can that help us? or does that mean we are already one step behind? >> well, even if we are one step behind, it is critically important that we understand what we did wrong and right. what we frequently find is some of these people aren't experts. they are just working the best they can do. if we understand where they are, maybe we can find our way if front of them, even if it is not this app, we may know where the next app is coming and where they will be and if the u.s. or french or anybody else can get there first, isn't that really the point? >> jack, i'm curious, we have
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been talking about belgium a lot and being a place where arms are more available than they would be in france, that who knows how deep the well of arms is in a place like that. how accessible, how easy they are to transport. i want to apply this to the united states a little bit. we know how good isis is about contacting young people, luring them from the u.k., potentially from the united states, getting these one-on-one relationships. are they in contact with kids in the united states and lord knows if you want to get ahold of a weapon here it is pretty easy. >> think of it like this. i'm in minneapolis right now. look at the number of people that have been recruited to al shabaab in somalia, the number recruited and tried to work to syria, those who work with boko haram. you contemplate this and you have seen a reach within the united states. it is not about bringing people from syria in to the united states but recruiting people here at home and then having
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them go down the street and pick up whatever weapon it is they want to get. it is accessible and easy to do, relatively speaking. that's one of the biggest fears the intelligence community has and rightfully so, by the way,. we shouldn't be paranoid about it but we have to recognize it is the case. >> one thing you have to recognize is those are the things that don't require a lot of training. if you are going to get someone that knows how to make a suicide vest and do the home work involved in the timing and where will you find the crowd and where to have maximum impact that's one thing. when you talk to intelligence officials they tell you it doesn't take much to wreak havoc or even if no one dice, even if it is quote unquote successful, this the fear, the terror you can cause within a community can be tremendous and have virtually as much im pact as something that turns out to be deadly. >> without question. we contemplate the lone wolf. we contemplate something that is very low tech and something that
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people can do without much training, without much experience. the impact can be just as real and it can have the impact that people want to have. again, it's one of the things that we need to be most concerned about. frankly, that's the one that's the most difficult to stop because it's done in isolation. you can't grab one end of the string, one end of the tapestry and pull until you figure out where it starts because there's no end to the tapestry. it starts and independents with one person in a basement somewhere. >> the people in the business that you know well, how do they feel about the job they are doing right now? do they feel like they are on it? >>. >> i think they do. i think they are doing everything they can. they recognize the limitations of what they have. they are trying to deal with the big operations. they are watching, not just chatter. they are trying to understand the moving parts and who the big players are. so you are watching them as carefully as you possibly can. i think the biggest fear that
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everybody has which is what we have been talking about, is the ability to reach across the net, to reach across in to the lives of those who feel disenfranchised, those who feel out of sorts, those who feel lost and want to find some way to do something of consequence. if you can manipulate those people in to doing something horrific, how do you stop that? that is what keeps people up at night. that's what keeps people from relaxing and going to sleep saying we've got this. they don't have this. they are hopeful, but they don't have this. >> former cia officer jack rice, thank you. coming up, the president of france called the attack in paris an attack of an act of war by the islamic state. a closer look at isis coming up.
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♪ >> so many people carrying french flags in a sign of solidarity in paris. president hollande says the paris attacks on friday were committed by the islamic state saying that "it is an act of war that was prepared, org nighed an planned from abroad with complicity from the inside, which the investigation will help establish." it is sometimes called isis, isil, daesh, but stands for the same terrorist organization, the islamic state. they used to be called al qaeda in iraq but split from ail ka ta
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in february of 2014 after they called it too violent. isis seized mosul. since then it gained ground in iraq and syria with somewhere between 20 and 31 thousand fighters in iraq and sere and around the world. in the u.s., the islamic state became a household name in 2014 after it released a video. it showed the beheading of american james folley. in january, 2015, ahmed ahmedy coulibaly pledged allegiance to isis two days before his death. in february and then in april, isis released video showing the massacre of egyptian christians. since then, on a monthly basis it has bombed, beheaded or attacked cities around the world. last week isis claimed responsibility for suicide
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bombings in lebanon that killed at least 43 people. joining us now, graham wood contributing editor for the atlantic and the edward r. murrah fellow at the council of foreign relations. good to see you. you wrote an article "what isis really wants" and i want to get to that. but bu maybe the basic question is that people are trying to get their head around who's isis? what motivates them? >> isis is an organization that's been around in different forms for a while. as you correctly pointed out, they really split from their parent organization al qaeda in 2014 when they decided they wanted to be a transnational organization, one that could have caliphate that would be a place where all muslims were obliged to travel and fight for. what is interesting about the paris attacks they are undertaking an al qaeda type strategy, not just holding territory but spectacular attacks against western targets,
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not here to for a hallmark of isis' own wrath strategy. >> but the basis of who they are which goes to why they have done what they have done starting the beginning up until the paris attack s, how are they different from al qaeda? >> al qaeda had a national element it to. they wanted to say there is an syrian siding an iraqi and yemeni side and so forth. isis wanted to say, no, we are beyond that. we are growing in to something that is really the subject of prophesy. they are the fulfillment of an idea they saw written in scripture. al qaeda had morer the rest rheeial goals. isis claims it is more grander than that. >> this is what i want to hone in on. the whole notion that their roots are scriptural is like
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taking verses out of the old testament that are primeal. >> they are trying to do things that you might find in the old testament of the bible but in this case the practices of war, of early islam that most muslims have found ways to practice their religion out these things but isis wants to show they are reviving even the most grotesque practices. >> explain what tuck theory is. >> historically in islam there's a reluctance to say because over people who call themselves muslims are doing things you disagree with they are not muslims. isis has no problem saying that about a wide range of muslims. >> if i am a muslim and you are a muslim and i say you are not doing it right. >> you put yourself at risk. if you say i'm not a muslim and i say i am. if you are wrong you actually
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cease being a muslim yourself. it is a perilous thing to do for the state of your own soul. isis does this for a wide range of activities. if you are someone who votes in a democracy, for example, this would be the kind of thing that isis may say is something that removes you from islam. this is an extreme position and one that al qaeda never got in to in an enthusiastic way. >> when you got to the point -- and a lot of americans became aware of this with their taking, killing enslaving members of the yazidis. there was actually a discussion, wasn't there, about whether or not, based on this essentially old testament, but a very literal reading of the koran whether they should be marked for death or enslavement. these were the options for the yazidis. >> they asked the question are yazidis supposed to be thought of apos tats from islam if they
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are only one choice which is death but if they are poly theists they can be enslaved. enslaving them and including the practice of sex slavery. >> what is the lure, if i'm a disaffected person in any part of the world and i hear what the preachers are saying, what's the thing that i'm seeing there that makes me want to go there and join this fight? >> isis really does provide a vision. if you are someone who's bored with your life at home, unhappy with what you see as your future, isis will tell you you can come to syria and fight in what is literally the greatest battle of all time. you are going to be able to be part of the apocalypse. >> say that again they are not messing around. >> no. they see themselves as hastening the end of the world. they say if you want to come and join us, you can be part of it, too. or you can stay home and have
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whatever boring life you have planned for yourself. >> so you spoke to a number of people who consider the caliphate the only righteous government on earth. help us understand, from your conversations with them, from the time you spent with them, how that translates to what you said answering harry's question. what did they tell you? if i would meet them on the street, if i would have a conversation with them, would i recognize them as someone who would be inherently dangerous? >> well, they are enthusiastic about isis. they may come out and say they have positive things about caliphate. the reason they would want to go there is it is the only place they can be fully muslim. they have a view that everyone who stays home, especially living in non-muslim lands is in a state of sin. to get to the territory that is controlled by al baghdadi. >> territory is an important
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part of this. it is not important enough to say you can be in isis and be in yemen. that doesn't work. you have to be in that state n that territorial state. >> yes. isis by controlling territory, which al qaeda never properly did, they are implementing sharia law in a particular way. they say if you are not actually in that territory, living under that governing structure, you have got something wrong with your religion and you need to repent and go there. in the context of paris and the context of the refugee issue in europe we really need to think of this that isis is telling people, come to syria, come to iraq, come to libya. they are not saying stay home and perpetrate these attacks, although these attacks are now happening. we have to decide with why are they happening now? why have they not happened previously. >> hang with us a bit here. we will stay on the subject for a while now. coming up, the fight to stop the islamic state.
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on the same day islamic state fighters carried out attacks in paris, isis was dealt a significant blow in iraq after a kurdish forces backed by u.s. air strikes defeated the islamist state, took back control of the city of sinjar. the president of iraq's kurdish region says that this move could help in the fight to regain control of mosul, iraq's second largest city. sinjar sits in the middle of highway 47, which connects raqqa, syria with mosul. the islamic state first gained control of raqqa in 2014 after slaughtering thousands of yazidi men, women and children. 5200 women and girls were
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kidnapped and forced in to sex slavery during that action. joining us now is an msnbc military analyst and contributing editor for the atlantic. i want to talk about sinjar. we have handled air assaults against isis for months and months and months now. if there was an example of what could happen, here you have american air attacks, kurdish forces, kind of really amalgum of kurdish forces with american advisers and in 48 hours they have sinjar back. what does it tell you? >> if yutds air strike it has to be with forces on the ground. one by itself can't do any good. just killing people doesn't work. what you have to do is occupy and hold terrain.
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that does work but it is labor-intensive. you need a lot of people. >> labor-intensive is this this regard to use american troops in this fight has been at least for this administration something it doesn't -- >> well, the president came in to office saying he was getting out. our strategy has been withdrawal. >> isis didn't exist at that point. >> no. but we should have learned when we went to syria, i mean in to iraq -- what a freudian slip that was, that if you were going to go in there you have to carry through. you can't kill a bunch of people and leave because it will not work. it will go to pieces. you have to reinforce success and doing that means a lot of time and people until you can establish governess there that will work. >> to give you a sense of what americans and fighting are up against, and this is not a story
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for those faint of heart but is when america was first bombing and we were trying to get the yazidis off of sinjar mountain that was being slaughtered i. went in to a yazidi community in nebraska and there was a man there who called his brother every day to see how he was doing who lived in the region. one day when he called a member of isis, someone who identified himself as a member of isis answered the phone and he said where's my brother and he texted him a picture of his brother who had been beheaded. when i told you that story, graem you were not surprised in the least. >> they believe to terrify their enemies is sacrament. in addition to the fear it provokes and just the ability to cause people to be less likely to fight them. they think they are directed, if they are not doing it they are not properly being an islamic state. >> this is a question for both
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of you. if they are such ideological purity that they have, does it make it easier to, you hope, figure out where they are coming from and be more predictive of where they are going? >> we shouldn't think of them as robots. they are not working off of a totally fixed plan. there are things about the way they think of themselves that can help us understand what is motivating people, how they may expect their long-term operation to go. you know, i mentioned before they have a kind of apocalyptic plan. that means taking bits of territory in the middle east and expecting fights there. we could probably look forward and at least think about some of the ways they are imagining their future. >> here's the thing. because we are talking about this territorial imperative, if you will, of isis and it's need for property. it's not going to operate well other places. it needs this property.
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what does that tell you then? if you are in a position, if you develop a coalition for instance, of the french and who knows who else to say this is something that needs to be annihilated or gotten rid of, it's in a place, right? >> the only way to do that is in conjunction with annihilating people. you have to actually control the terrain. we have ignored that completely. we operate under the assumption our technology will defeat these guys, any guys because we can direct a precision-guided munition up somebody's left or right nostril. it has nothing to do with success there. it is actual governance of terrain that really matters. >> i'm curious -- so the president is in turkey now. we have the secretary of state meeting with his russian counterpart. there's all of this talk right now. do you foresee a time when --
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well, let me draw back a little bit. you know where i was going. i'm going to withdrawal from that one. >> don't withdrawal. >> we have advisers there ai now and we know from vietnam there is a fine line between advising and fighting. are we about to go over that line? >> perhaps. but at the end of the day it is irrelevant because we don't have sufficient advisers to train enough people to actually do the job. a lot of people have been suggesting what we really need is a regional force made up of states in the region who actually have a stake in what's going on and in defeating isis. the trouble is that the states who are involved there are at each other's throats so you are not going to get a coalition of those guys. you are not going to get a coalition of the united states and anybody else. we have -- like isis has a strategy of the caliphate, we don't have -- our strategy is withdrawal. the president said so. and has been working very hard
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the last eight years to withdrawal. i'm not arguing what we need is 200,000 americans on the ground to make this happen, but it will take several hundred thousand of somebody to actually make this happen. >> can i bring us around finally to a question that i get. why do they hate us so much? i think we touched on some of the reasons and their ideology. there was something that you wrote that struck me. it was about one of the pilots. we think he was the pilot of the first plane that went in to the world trade center and this is what you wrote. on mohammad eta's last full day of life he shopped at wal-mart and had dinner at pizza hut. he embraced while despising the west. how is that different from isis. why do they hate us so much? >> well, with mohammad youssuf abdulazeez -- mohammad attah they were opposed to bases. and isis has a grander feeling of their place in history.
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it is not so much they hate us but they have a positive vision for their part and it includes an expanding caliphate. they see themselves as a player for a great drama that is, as i said, leaning toward the end of the earth. >> isis has a genuine strategy as you say and we were talking about. they know where they want to end up. we do not. we have only tactics. if you don't have a strategy you lose. >> fascinating conversation. thank you so both of you for joining us tonight. coming up next, how the attack in paris is already affecting the 2016 race for president. phil! oh no... (under his breath) hey man! hey peter. (unenthusiastic) oh...
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we should declare war and harnness all of the power the united states can bring to bear both diplomatic and military of course to take out isis. we have the capabilities of doing this. we just haven't shown the will. >> looking at the ideological war that is being waged by the jihadists has been very effective. we need to wage a counter war against them utilizing social mediand mechanisms they use. >> you can say all you want, but if they had gun, if our people had guns that they were allowed to carry -- it would have been a much, much different situation. >> plenty of tough talk from some of the republican presidential candidates. the paris attacks have over shadowed just about everything else on the campaign trail. it's put issues of foreign policy and national security at the forefront.
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this curve in the race for the white house could be a pivotal moment for gop political outsiders donald trump and ben carson. by putting a spotlight on their lack of foreign policy experience or will it? >> that will be the big question in the days and weeks to come. on the democratic side, the paris attacks put a different spotlight on hillary clinton. nbc white house correspondent kristin welker is in ames, iowa where hillary clinton held a rally earlier today. she talks about the new challenges hillary clinton may face. >> reporter: former president clinton appearing alongside his wife hillary. but it's the paris attacks overshadowing the presidential campaign. >> attacking paris, the city of light, reminds us that there is no middle ground in going after these terrorists. >> reporter: the tragedy transforming the 2016 conversation. >> we should declare war and harness all of the power the united states can bring to bear. >> reporter: the former
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secretary of state in a corner. the candidate with the most foreign policy experience now forced to answer whether she and her former boss under estimated isis, a question she dodged on saturday. >> this cannot be an american fight, although american leadership is essential. >> reporter: clinton was also pressed to defend her vote for the iraq war when she was a senator. >> the invasion of iraq led to the massive level of instability we are seeing now. >> i have said the invasion of iraq was a mistake. >> reporter: clinton trying to distance herself somewhat from president obama who recently said isis has been contained. >> it cannot be contained. it must be defeated. >> reporter: in opening her rival republicans pounced on today. >> the policy of containment isn't going to work. >> reporter: others vowing to fix what they say is president obama's failed foreign policy. >> we will have to conduct an increased number of special operations attacks targeting isis leadership. >> we don't have until the next level to deal with isil. there is a 9/11 coming.
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>> reporter: candidates across the board talking tough but offering few details. >> most candidates benefit from drawing a big picture and saying, you know, the united states is going to be a great country again. >> reporter: all of the candidates watching closely to see what, if any, action president obama takes next. that could determine the next stage of this debate. harry, back to you. >> kristin welker, thanks. jonathon allen is joining us now. >> the co-author of state secrets an the rebirth of hillary clinton. gooded to see you. good evening. >> good to see you. >> let's start with the lay of the land. what impact are you seeing on the campaign trail from the attacks in paris? >> i think what we are seeing is candidates wanting to say a lot but none of them producing a strong strategy. general jacobs a few minutes ago on your program was saying there is no strategy right now, not a strategy like isis has for expanding its caliphate.
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i think the candidates are stuck in that problem as the administration is. there are no good answers for the united states right now. the democratic candidates last night in their debate made that clear. most folks thought it was going to play to hillary clinton's strength as a lot of knowledge of foreign policy but she seemed to wif during the debate. >> i watched and it seemed like it should be in her power alley. at the same time, she tried to be more hawkish than president obama. but the facts are what the facts are. if this is on your resume, it's going to be darn hard to avoid. >> i think rhetorically she tried to be more hawkish, taking it a step further from where he said isis was contained. she said, you know, this isn't that situation. and they must be destroyed. at the same time, she was also saying we need to build a coalition and try to deal with isis that way. the united states can't be the face of that basically.
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that's really essentially what the administration's policy is right now. by the way, the other democratic candidates, while they said they disagree with her, what they said substantively is what happen she said. the democratic candidates are particularly in a box. they don't want to undercut the president who's trying to actually deal with something substantive, where they are campaigning and making promises, talking about them possibly being future presidents. they would get themselves in to a bind and look bad and perhaps hurt an administration policy if they got too far out in front. >> the dynamic on the republican side is interesting. often foreign policy, national security tend in terms of traditional wisdom to favor the republicans. in this case you have two men, donald trump and ben carson with no experience in this. there arer two schools of thought on this. one is that this will change the dynamic of the front runners because people will look at them and say is this somebody who's ready on day one.
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>> or on the other hand -- >> or on the other hand, what we have had hasn't worked. we are looking for something different and the person that yells the loudest and speaks the toughest is the one that will be more relatable to the voters? is it clear where this will come down? >> it's not clear where it will come down. i suppose that's the big question going forward here. what i would say is that i think generally voters are more likely in times of crisis to go for the candidate who's stable, whether you talk about the threat of terrorism of war, the economic crisis in 2008, if you'll recall, president obama then a candidate was steady during that crisis. john mccain was sort of all over the place. cancelling a debate or saying he was going to pull out of a debate and then going to it trying to get something done on capitol hill and not being successful there. i think voters in times of crisis revert to candidates they see as steady. >> it seems like old rules are not applying to this particular
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stage of the primary and caucus process. the thing that i'm really curious about, what are the american people feeling at this point? you go through this friday night. you see what you have seen, you hear about the stories of this cell in belgium and the reach of isis, but one of the forgotten stories on this whole night is what happened on thursday in beirut. same sort of similar situation. a place o relative stability now for what 25 years or so. what are the american people thinking about all of this? are they ready to say, hey, okay, put 200,000 troops in this part of the world and try to wipe isis off the face of the earth? >> this is part of the problem for the candidates as they try to articulate and develop their platforms. it is not clear the american public wants 200,000 troops.
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the consistent is weary and ware of war after war since the september 11th attacks and at the same time it is not possible to not be enraged, fearful and frustrated after what happened in paris and beirut. >> quick question, late today in the "washington post" they posted an op-ed from mitt romney responding to the paris attacks saying in part -- the president was right when he called the islamic state a cancer but it is a cancer that has metastasized on his watch. paris is proof. is this somebody who is setting himself up? does it sound to you like, for the republican establishment who's wary of a donald trump or ben carson who's ready to jump in? >> you know, the rumors of mitt romney's presidential ambitions have proceeded him before. we keep hearing them. i think if the republicans aren't able to have a clear nominee he maybe a consensus candidate but short of that i'm
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not sure he is ready to get in. >> before this happened on friday, people i know talked about a brokered convention, a brokered convention, a very different election cycle. thank you so much. coming up next, what will happen tomorrow when the president of france addresses the french congress in versailles? i tried depend last weekend. it really made the difference between a morning around the house and getting a little exercise. only depend underwear has new confidence core technology for fast absorption and the smooth, comfortable fit of fit-flex™ protection. get a coupon at the medicare enrollment deadline is just a few weeks away. changes to medicare plans could significantly impact your healthcare costs. to find out if you're are you getting all the
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the french minister of culture announced today that the public cultural buildings in paris will open on monday after a moment of silence to remember the victims of the paris attack. welcome back to msnbc special coverage of the attacks in paris. it's nearing dawn on monday morning now in paris. sunday saw the french capital still on edge with heightened
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security and huge police presence. there were also peaceful vigils on the same day that the french military launched retaliatory strikes on isis targets in syria. in just a few hours french president francois hollande will address the french congress. i'm joined by the white house and correspondent for france 24, an international news channel based in paris. good evening. >> good evening. >> can we talk a little bit about, as you've been in contact with your colleagues and friends in paris and in france and as you're watching the pictures unfold in the last 48 hours, your own thoughts and feelings. >> well the first thoughts would have to be with one of my former colleagues, matthew osch was one of the victims in the concert pal and the bataclan.
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he was among those who died in the attacks. he was a camera technician at france 24. so that's a news room that is in mourning much like the rest of france. france is now finished its first of three official days of mourning. will go into four more. and on the second day, that is when the french president will be addressing parliament for the very first time. we're expecting him to talk about national unity. of course those who i know and of course you wanted to hear my personal experiences of who i've been talking to. well a lot of friends simply went out yesterday, on sunday, on a balmy sunday in paris and almost defiantly went and sat down in the bars and caves and took photo of each other loading a normal life. it's a very jittery place plp
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there have been some false alarms other the last few hours with shots apparently heard that ended up being firecrackers. but they made for thousands 0 people who were at the central square where people were holding a vigil, it led to them running away in panic. and then in a more central part of paris, the people thought they had heard shots fired. those also apparently turned out to be firecrackers. people running into bars to find refuge. i think people are looking forward to this monday morning as it is right now in paris and somehow getting back to some semblance of normality in that city. >> phillip, we're just hearing the confirmation that the president, president obama in turkey now is going to be holding a news conference at 10:30 tomorrow morning. at the same time as we mngsed in front of the french congress
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will be president hollande in versailles. what would you expect from that? is it going to be a combination, as we put it here, the consoler in chief laying out the strategy going forward? what do you expect the message to sb? >> i think the message will be the same from bothpresidents. this will be a news conference with questions here and there. the french president's speech will be much more calculated. and we really expect this to be half about the military response, because after all this is a very clear escalation in terms of the french military strategy against the islamic state organization. 20 air strikes in this one city, the islamic state strong hold of raqqa. that's a big escalation. so far france had only participated very minimally in the air campaign in syria and
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concentrated instead on iraq. we'll have to hear the french president explain that to the people of france. >> we're sorry for your loss and thank you for spending time with us. >> msnbc's coverage to the french attack in paris will continue. ? but at bedtime ... why settle for this? enter sleep number. don't miss the semiannual sale going on now! sleepiq technology tells you how you slept and what adjustments you can make. she likes the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow! gift the best sleep of your life to your whole family. only at a sleep number store. right now save $500 on the veteran's day special edition mattress with sleepiq technology. hurry, ends sunday! know better sleep with sleep number. on top of your health? ahh... ahh... cigna customers have plan choices and tools to take control. so they're more engaged, with fewer high health risks and lower medical costs. take control of your health at cigna dot com slash take control.
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