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good evening from new york. i'm chris hays. president obama has issued a proclamation honoring the victims of friday's attack and ordered u.s. flags and all public buildings to be flown at half staff through thursday. france has lawned aunched air s. this video of the last attack shows the harrowing moment when attackers opened fire during the performance. meanwhile a man hunt is under
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way for an 8th suspect. french officials releasing this photo identifying the man as a belgium born suspect. police had already stopped him near the belgium border but released him after an id check. this is the hunt for possible accomplices goes on. belgium officials announcing seven arrests. one of them linked to a rental car found in paris. authorities have begun identifying the seven dead attackers. as many as three of the seven suicide bombers were french citizens. one man identified by a fingerprint is 29-year-old. he had been flagged in 2010 for ties to islamic radicalism. this as paris remain a city on edge. french troops have been deployed. they fled after loud noises in the area triggered panic.
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joining it seems to me is the anchor of nbc nightly news lester holt. i understand you got to speak to one of the individuals in that concert hall. >> reporter: i did. man, he's a freelance music journalist. he had gotten a ticket, went to the concert and by virtue and location he said being slow it allowed him to follow a group of people who found way in and out remarkable way. here's his story. >> i wasn't supposed to go to the show. >> reporter: a friend gave him the ticket that he carries with him along with a memory that will never leave him. he sat in the balcony. a great night until that moment. >> first the sound of explosions. people around me were more and more afraid.
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they were under the chairs and slowly going to a door. >> was there a ladder to get up there. >> no ladder. really beautiful behavior there. it was lady's first. we think about helping the others. >> reporter: the group managed to crawl to an adjacent building where they huddled in a stranger's apartment comforting
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each other. >> what sort of things were you saying? >> inside the apartment, i say to people around me be happy because we are lucky, i think. we will make it. we will survive. >> reporter: he has spent most of the last two days closed away in his apartment. tonight, he's back on the streets of his beloved paris. >> it's good to be alife. sometimes i feel guilty because i'm alive and some people are not. i know i don't have to be guilty to be alive. i think a lot about the people. i don't know what to say. >> reporter: why me. the question of so many survivors here and why us. that's the question that many
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continue to ask after they have been hit a second time inside of ten months. >> we saw that incident earlier where people ran in the wake of loud noises. what is your sense of how parisians are coming to terms this has now happened twice in one year and what it means for life in that city? >> reporter: i think it's hard for people to articulate it when you stand here amid the strength of crowds and people offering tributes at memorials. it's easy to talk of strength and unity and all those things and standing up to terrorism. i think people probably have many thoughts that they haven't quite articulated about this. it has to gnaw at your collective sense of security. we saw that today. to watch that wave of fear and panic ripple across this city so
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rapidly was astoundinastounding. you have the feeling that things are pretty much normal and then this happen. as i said on our broadcast earlier, a very thin severe of that stoic optimism. there's some deep pain. >> is it your understanding that the state of emergency remains in place whether paris, metro, cultural attractions, big public places will be open at some point tomorrow or this week? >> reporter: my understand ing s the museums will be open. tomorrow is monday. i think the city will probably begin to become more occupied. people going about their daily lives.
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the french have been engaged in some air strikes but this signals, it appears an intensification. what is your understanding of the direction of the government when it talks about being at war? >> it sounds a bit like a revenge mission. up until now, the french have been active over iraq with its air strikes and to very, very limited degree have they been over the skies of syria.
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now we're up to 20 in just the one night. what we're seeing is exact lly according to the pentagon and a read out we were provided and the french spoke about concrete steps they want to take. this is exactly it. it was largely the u.s. military and the u.s. led coalition that had been carrying out air strikes in raqqa. this is pretty much new territory for france tonight. other coalition country, the other 1500.
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do you anticipate the iran government with an open ended concept. >> it was a very, very quick reaction from the french president. a few hours after the attacks had begun in paris, he said france was at war. there were quite a few headlines in the french newspapers the day after the attacks that said this time we really are at war. after all france knows ts kind of situation from the 7th of january and the "charlie hebdo" attacks. that didn't lead to a clear intensification of the war in syria and iraq. this time around it clearly has.
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we'll have to wait and see, more than anything, whether the french people want its military to be more involved. so far, we have not been getting that impression. that does not mean that the french defense ministry and the french president don't want to go after isis really hard now. this barrage of air strikes is a big, big change. it seems almost impossible for france to keep this up. there's a very good reason why france isn't carrying out as many air strikes as, for example, the u.s. military is at this point. france doesn't have enough planes and enough material and the logistics to be able to carry out sustained period of air strikes like the united
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states has now for over a year. that's one of the key reasons why france isn't quite as involved as it has so far. >> there was a comment by the french interior minister about discussing shutting down mosques that were contributing to radicalization. that in the american context would be controversial, place of worship. there's state of emergency for the entire country that's unprecedented in recent times. when you mention the potential closing of mosques, that could happen at the state of emergency
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at this point. the french government has the right under this nationwide state of emergency to close public places to stop traffic, for example all together. kit do a lot more than it usually can. it's not necessarily a curfew that's in place in likes of paris and suburbs. it's that recommendation on behalf of the french authorities in paris and around paris for people not to leave their homes. the scenes of panic only really happened because so many people were out there in the first place. it's the place where people went to after the "charlie hebdo" attacks in january to come together and pay tribute. by the way, another way of paying tribute that the french people and the parisians have been showing today on a
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beautiful sunday in paris has been to go out. that's the defiance i've seen from a will the of my friends in paris. they've gone going out to bars and sitting the terraces in defiance almost. it was people sitting peacefully in restaurants and going peacefully to a concert attacked on friday night. they want to show they want to get on with normal life. tomorrow being monday, this is also the city that really does want to get back to as normal situation as possible. >> appreciate it. we're learning more about the victims. a vigil honoring one of them is about to be leld in long beach, california. >> those close to the 23-year-old called her mimi. >> she was very warm, very
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caring. >> reporter: her aunt says the students from southern california was in paris fulfilling a dream fascinating with the city, she wanted to learn french. the design major from cal state long beach signed up for a foreign exchange program. >> very much of a go getter. she found a way to get it done. >> reporter: a determination shattered when a gunman burst in. she was eating at a restaurant with two friends when she was shot in the stomach and killed. her cousin calls this a nightmare she's waiting to wake up from. >> it's like this is really happening. this is happening. there's nothing i can really do to bring her back. >> reporter: her mother gets tearful thinking about the dreams stolen from her daughter. >> she wanted to have a career and a family. >> reporter: at her school. >> i and the entire campus are
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president obama and other world leaders gathered in turkey. this year's summit dominated by how to fight extremism in the wake of the deadly attacks in france. ron allen has the report. >> reporter: a moment of silence as president obama with the world's most powerful leaders honor the innocence massacred in paris. >> the skies have been darkened by the horrific attacks that took place in paris just a day and a half ago. >> reporter: the president vowing to stand shoulder to shoulder with the french who
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called the attack an act of war and hunt down the killers. >> the killing of innocent people based on a twisted ideology is an attack not just on france, not just on turkey, but it's an attack on the civilized world. >> reporter: an economic summit now dominated with the global terror threat. following the paris attacks the u.s. plans to intensify its yearlong strategy attacking isis from the air while arming and backing local forces on the ground. the hope now that additional coalition partners will amp up the fire power. the french have said they may invoke nato's collective defense clause requiring all 28 members
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to respond. an attack on one, an attack on all. >> we're confident in the coming days and weeks we'll be able to intensify our strikes to make clear there's no safe haven for these terrorists. >> reporter: the french have said they will use every means necessary to destroy isis. tonight the war planes have targeted the city in syria that isis claims is its capital. the u.s. has said it will strongly and aggressively support. chris. >> thanks. joining me now from beirut nbc foreign correspondent. in the wake of the news there's these french air strikes of just the fact there's a limit and how many targets you can hit without increasing the misery in one of the worst places in the world. what do we know about what's left for air power to do on
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isis? >> well, besides going after key members of the organizations leadership, the organization really has demonstrated it has an ability to be resilient on the battlefield. we have seen over time that despite the air strikes that have been led by other countries, isis was fighting on three different fronts. they were fighting on the front against the assad regime and also against iraqi forces inside iraq. this with the addition of the international coalition bombing from above. a lot of military analysts have suggested unless there's a ground component that is willing to go into these areas after air strikes forces some of this territory and forces fighters in that territory to vacate, there's going to be very little that air strikes can do. there is no reliable ground coalition on the ground as of yet that can go in and fill in
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some of these vacuums. for now the u.s. has been relying on trying to target senior members of the organization to try to disrupt it and degrade it. we saw one of the major propaganda voices of the organization and in the past several months going after the chief finacier of the organization. unless you're going after it on the ground, it seems right now that the air strike has done little to deter isis. >> you reported on the region for years. you've been around the sort of terrain there. is there way to imagine an effective military campaign targeted at isis that has any end game once positions are held that doesn't end up, for instance, strengthening assad. these seem like the questions
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that 15 months into this americans haven't answered quite yet. >> well, you know, the united states has demonstrated its reluctance to put forces on the ground and so to have the europeans. there's been ideas floated around to address two major issues. one to try to ease the humanitarian suffering of the syrian people and doing so would require in the eyes of the turkish authorities to create safe havens inside of syria which would start with imposing a no fly zone over turkey and then -- over southern turkey into syria and allow for the refugees in that area to have some safe space. ultimately, without the presence of ground forces it could be little done to prevent isis to continuing its ability to adapt to these air strikes. there's been another plan to try and get arab countries to put together a rapid deployment force of sunni arab countries and try to take hold of some of
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these areas with the iraqi army. that falls into the politics of the region, the broader politics of the region which has been a major reason of paralysis when it comes to dealing with the big issue of syria, how much of the arab world get involved and the international community get involved of trying to oust president assad. we know because of support to the president as well as the iranian support and hezbollah forces fighting on the ground that's not an easy thing to achieve and only make the situation worse in terms of battlefield dynamics. >> thanks for joining me tonight. really appreciate it. mpblt terror attacks in paris and beirut seem to represent an expansion. we'll look at whether we're seeing a fundamental shift in isis strategy, next. how do you stay on top of your health? ahh... ahh... cigna customers have plan choices and tools to take control.
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french war planes struck multiple targets in syria. it comes two days after the deadly paris attack that killed 129 people. before friday's attack france had been ramping up its campaign against isis. expect the french air campaign and the western aided fight against the group will only intensify. joining me now msnbc national security kevin barren. we still don't know what brought down the russian airliner but it's strong suspicious infort w bomb and an isis plot.
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we will see in the span of two weeks isis terrorists attacks aimed at civilians with russian targets, shiaa, hezbollah, lebanese targets and french targets. what is the possibly strategic logic of this group escalating against three different, powerful entities in the span of two weeks. >> isis has to stay global. it's trying to diversify the areas where it's claiming attacks now far beyond iraq and syria and libya. we're seeing the france, egyptian and russian but also far beyond. we see them targeting kuwait, saudi arabia. we see them targeting bangladesh in attacks that isis wants to create more operational cells worldwide to create it's truly being accepted on a global level and that's head butting with
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major super powers. that keeps it relevant. >> you're speaking in termsf from the perspective of isis they are attempting to convert a fairly small, significant number of people to the belief that they are, indeed, the one true path for their believers. in order to do that these acts of violence are the means of facilitating them. >> absolutely. it's their way to reassert themselves. threats against france, particularly, have been uttered by isis spokesman back in march saying we will take paris before we take rome. we are going to take paris first. that was against paris interveeinterven intervening alongside the united states. >> there's also the fact that because isis is fighting dozens of different entities. not just in the syrian war but
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proxies past that from iran to nations in the west and gulf states, et cetera. they have to keep resupplying their fighters. what is your assessment of the state of their sort of military strength actually in the area that they are physically controlling. >> that's a good point to bring up. obama took a lot of criticism this week for saying isis was contained right before paris happened. when he's talking about the ground situation in iraq and syria, the president is right. isis did not go into baghdad. the territory has not expanded. it's contracted. partly because that's what the american-led coalition has wanted. they kept it down and stopped. they have not gone in with american ground troops. they tried to build and been very patient. right or wrong, no matter what you think of that strategy, that's their strategy. isis has not expanded militarily. the state it wanted to be has not happened there.
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what we're seeing the change of is exactly what we have seen. >> you know kevin seems to be pointing to a connection between these two things. unlike al qaeda because isis had territory and called itself an actual state, they had sort of divided p ed priority. kev kevin's point and i've heard other analysts say this shift is they reached the territorial limit and now they will focus more on these attacks abroad. >> i don't completely adhere to that because we're seeing isis in capture territory. long time ago they captured ramadi.
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i think isis still wants to carry out this global ambition. by reasserting its power overseas it's trying to say we're on offensive. >> that's right. >> kevin, i think at this point a lot of people when they look at isis from a widespread term of global folks, whether you're sunni, shiaa, christian or jewish or whether you live in beirut or france, you view this as a monstrous entity. there's a real question of they deserve to be destroyed and what it would take to destroy them. it's the latter questioning that's bedevilling everyone. >> last summer, 2014 and even
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then it felt like you can't. every military leader in the u.s. for the last ten years has said we can't kill our way to victory in iraq or in afghanistan or fill in the country. you still have to attack and go after them. it's good to point out france was not involved in a air war in syria until recently. they purposely stayed out of syria. the two have meshed. that man was presumably killed yesterday in the u.s. air strike which was a new development. the pentagon said the first time they went after a senior leader in libya. that followed just a couple months after the french started
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to get involved slowly in the campaign in syria. the last thing i'll say, pay attention to these air strikes and whether they are hitting and going into raqqa. how much of this is precision targeted stuff and how much is a little bit looser with the worries of things like collateral damage. the very first time the pentagon showed us air strikes they were hitting this building but not that building. tryi inin ining to preserve as they could on the ground. increased air war to head after whoever they can find could be very damaging. it could change things on the grounds. >> there are tens of thousands of people living in raqqa. the vast of whom are essentially prisoners there and cannot get out and under the control of isis. thank you very much. >> thank you. tonight france ramps up its campaign against the islamic state. we'll go to paris.
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joining me now msnbc analyst, i was having a conversation with you at this desk or in the other studio when the u.s. began its air strikes about 15 months ago. you saying there was a limit to what they can do. >> not a lot as changed. what most people don't realize is that from a military standpoint unless you'll lose military weapons, the only thing air strikes are good for is to pave the way for people on the ground to take over terrain.
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if you don't have anybody to do that then it's merely just harassme harassment. you might get a bad guy here and there, ultimately, it has tactical value but no long term strategic value. >> it seems the strategic route when talking about syria, not iraq. there's been gains by forces like the iraqi army and in the kurdish army. >> you have got to get rid of the bad guys. control the terrain so they won't come back.
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once you get rid of them they're going to take over. to be honest, i don't think we have a strategy. we've got tactics but tno strategy. it's like having food but no cuisine. we don't have the capability, the political will to do what's necessary. what really is supposed to happen is a multinational regional force to do this on the ground. they're not going to do it because all the actors are fighting each other. you have iran and saudi arabia. >> anyone in the context of syria, there's a certain perception that's probably correct about in terms of any, if you beat someone, you're benefitting someone else and likely not aligned with that person you're benefitting. >> we're aligned with nobody. everybody who we could be aligned with, we don't like and they don't like us. this is not going to end well.
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>> thank you. >> you bet. >> joining me now from paris with the latest is nbc news producer chapman bell. it's nightfall there. i see that memorial in the background. >> there will be some areas open tomorrow. as the french president said there would be three days of mourning and that mourning will continue as it has over the last couple of days. today we saw a memorial at notre dame cathedral for the victims of the attack. there's still people paying respects at these multiple small memorials around paris where the attacks took place. there are attractions that will remain closed through this period of mourning. also areas of interest that will continue to remain closed or
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under close guard as this emergency action here takes place. what will this do for the people of france. are these just the beginning of the retaliation for these and how will this affect the french people. the people of paris were remaining defiant today out on the streets paying their respects here. what is believed to be a fire cracker sent people into panic. it sent people running for cover. people diving into restaurants under table.
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the city still remains in mourning. there's a lot of tension still remaining as we also have been told that there could be a possible accomplice or another suspect. >> you've been monitoring some of the social media reaction. >> it's pretty ugly. people obviously in the aftermath of this horrible attack are letting their feelings will known on refugees. these four million people now spread across europe. i want to back up for a second. let's talk about the al qaeda play book here because it seems like isis is taking a page out of play book. al qaeda used to try to pit society against itself. we saw it with the bombings. this is what isis is trying to do in europe. we heard about the "charlie
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hebdo" attack they said muslims will find themselves in one of two choice pps we will destroy the gray area. that's what we're seeing play out. >> the gray area of coexistence meaning isis goal is to create a situation in which muslims in france and europe don't feel they can be fully themselves and produce the kind of backlash that the many fear may be coming. >> and to be proven right. isis tells muslims the police will come and raid your neighborhoods. they will treat you differently. they will single you out then you set off a disasterous attack across paris and that's what happens. couple that with what they are telling the people of syria. you mentioned the people that are stuck in raqqa and cannot leave. >> we also are -- we've gotten this news that one of the men who carried out the attack with
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a syrian passport sounds like he may have come through one of the channels refugees have been coming. i was reminds of bin laden, reporting about him specifically selecting saudis to carry out 9/11 because he wanted to create a massive, the most geo political strain. you wonder if there's something at play like this here. >> driving that wedge. we saw that after 9/11 especially here in the new york city area. we talk about saudi arabia. this is what isis is doing. there's some question whether or not that passport was planted and whether or not it was authentic. this is a group that's so i incredibly savvy on social me a media. >> thank you very much. clashing over whether america is in now a fight against, quote, radical islam. let's give 'em a great breakfast
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>> he said radical islam. i think you can talk about islamists who are jihadists. it's not particularly helpful to make the case that senator sanders was just making that i agree with that we've got to
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reach out to muslim countries and have them be part of our coalition. >> that response prompted marco rubio to go after hillary clinton during a sunday show this morning. >> you saw she didn't want to use the word radical islam. >> that's like saying we weren't at war with nazis because we were afraid to offend some members of the germans. we are at war with radical islam. they believe now justified them in killing those who don't agree with their ideology. this is a clash of civilizations. as i said earlier this week there's no middle ground. either they win or we win. >> joining me national political reporter for the washington post. this idea that the calling it radical islam is a kind of central plank in a foreign policy is always struck me as
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weird. i think we're probably going to see a lot more of that. >> we're seeing many of the republican contenders striking a hawkish tone. there's hope among some of the more seasoned candidates that the party could turn away from the outsiders, trump and carson and perhaps back toward jeb bush, john kasich. people who are senators and governors. it's not clear at the moment that the base is ready to do that. >> i want to play this clip from meet the press. take a listen. >> would you trust donald trump or ben carson has commander in chief right now? >> i don't know. the words that i hear them speaking give me some concern. that's why we have campaigns. everybody will have chance to lay out their visions. i'm more concerned about hillary clinton thinking the united states doesn't have a leadership role in this.
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>> do you believe jeb bush when he says he trusts them? >> no, i don't believe him at all. i don't think the majority of republican candidates would trust donald trump or ben carson to lead in a moment of crisis, to lead in the fight against isis. he's lying when he says that. i think he thinks they are amateurs and by there crisis becoming what it is right now with paris being attacked that people will be scared by the idea of donald trump being in charge or ben carson being in charge and will look toward the adults in the race like him or marco rubio or ted cruz. >> for the hawkish rhetoric or the rhetoric about clash of civilizations. it is striking to me there is
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one candidate in the race on the republican side who is very actively calling for american ground troops to be deployed. that says something maybe about what the gop. >> it's an important there's not an immediate he's been leading the race for months. he's more dovish. he want a stronger -- he represents a more reluctant side of the republican party. >> robert's point there is key. the kind of sweet spot is as belacost as possibly we're going to destroy him and if we need to
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bomb them. operationally in a country that's quite war weary, even a gop primary electorate that isn't thrilled to hear troop deployment. >> complete lly donald trump's policy is closer to rand paul's. he's very skeptical of toppling secular dictators. they'll do everything they can to stop the bad guys. in reality they are very reluctant to actually put forth a plan that would put boots on the ground. >> that's one consistent theme across all the candidates when you try to press them for a concrete solution. no one sounds adept because the solution isn't clear. >> a lot of these campaigns i've
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checked in with them over the weekend, they will wait to see what france does, how nato responds that if the u.s. doesn't need to have a traditional boots on the ground that's okay with the republican campaigns. they will be aggressive in what they say and watch carefully to how it unfolds. >> all right. thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you. it will be much more of msnbc continuing coverage of the attacks throughout the night. i'll be back here at 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night. harry smith and chris continue our coverage right now here on msnbc. stay with us.
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rjts tonight 48 hours after terror hit the streets of paris, france strikes back. just hours ago french war planes dropped 20 bombs on the


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