quickly. >> all right, congressman, thank you so much for being with us. that's republican congressman vern buchanan. appreciate your time. >> thank you. that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. stick with msnbc throughout the night for continuing coverage of the terror in paris. i'll see you tomorrow. "mtp daily" starts right now. ♪ ♪ welcome to a special edition of "mtp daily." that of course was the sound of the french parliament earlier today, singing in their national anthem in solidarity. after friday's attack that killed 129 and injured hundreds more. good evening from washington. for "mtp daily's" continuing
coverage of the terror attack in paris. tonight the lights are back on at the eiffel tower, lit up in the colors of the french flag, a symbol of resilience for a nation that while still in mourning and also in retaliation mode. french warplanes are again over the skies of syria tonight, targeting the de facto capital of isis in the city of raqqa, that as a massive manhunt is under way involving dozens of raids. the main target, 26-year-old abdelsalam sala, who is suspected of taking part in the attack. according to reports the suspected mastermind is a 27-year-old belgian jihadist, known as one of the most active isis operators in syria. and today french francois hollande made a historic address to the french parliament. the entire place stood and sang
their national anthem. he declared his country is at war with the jihadists who launched these attacks. and just a short time ago, secretary of state john kerry arrived in paris, speaking outside the u.s. embassy as it lit up in the colors of the french flag as well and we called the attacks an assault on reason and pledged solidarity with our french allies. >> your american sisters and brothers will stand with you shoulder to shoulder as we have stood together throughout history. tonight we are all parisians. >> it's been a business day, we've heard from president obama, president hollande and a slew of governors across this country, weighing in on the syrian refugee crisis. we'll have a lot more on that domestic political fall-out later in the hour. we'll also bring you reaction from paris, brussels, capitol hill, the armed services committee and a former secretary of defense. but we start in paris with
lester holt. good evening to you. >> good evening, chuck. >> let me begin, you've been on the streets over the last 48 hours. today, you know, in the last 24 hours, it was sort of france struck back. we know what they did in the air. do you feel, what is the sense on the ground there, hearing from their president, hearing his declaration of war at parliament. what is the feeling you're hearing? >> i talked to one -- they had opened the street in front of the bataclan theater. i was standing there at a make shift memorial, and talking to a man 35 years old. he said a friend the same age died there. life-long friends. and he was speaking very openly about are we being forceful enough? when i was here ten months ago after "charlie hebdo," they were defiant, it was this attack on the press, we're going to get them. the mood here, much different, a much larger loss of life.
and a real sense of vulnerability. i talked to people today who are convinced there will be more attacks. this has shattered the collective sense of security here. so it's hard to summarize the mood of an entire country, certainly an entire city. but i think people are still kind of watching and waiting, and they know there's syrian involvement, some linkage, that the bombing has some linkage to isis and they worry about this tit-tat nature of what is being described as war. >> and they extended a state of emergency for another three months. what do you see on the streets? do you see armed men walking around? do you see the extra security where you are? >> look right behind me. look right behind me. you see that soldier there or police officer. they have been moving people away from this plaza. you're not seeing a lot of people back there, here they come again behind me.
they've moved people away from this memorial. they've allowed this one to go on for some reason. they've been moving people back over the last half hour or so. it may be because of the rain. they're very present, they're not heavy-handed. you go a lot of places and you don't see them. but a city of this size has to get back its rhythm and commerce was in full show today. but we've seen a lot more security in this plaza in just the last half hour or so. >> we're seeing concerns in the united states, islamo phobia spreading a little bit. france has a very large muslim population. >> not two hours ago, i was speaking to a muslim, french moroccan man. he's in his 30s, lived here a very long time. he loves this country. he's concerned. he was polite in his concern. and we talked about the fact these things either unite or they divide.
and he's hoping they will unite, but we wanted me and he wanted the world to know that this is not what islam is about. and this is not, he says, what i'm about. and he expresses love for his country. and i think muslims here will certainly be, you know, watching and wary of the mood of this country. but right now, i haven't seen any negative evidence of this, certainly in my limited travels. >> you covered 9/11, you've been in france at this moment, and i've had plenty of french journalists say this is their 9/11, or it may be their 9/11. what similarities do you see? what differences? >> well, obviously if you look at the loss of life. but if you measure the collective sense of vulnerability, i think there's the conclusion or the comparison that you could draw, that sense of look how vulnerable we are. look how they were able to pull off something of fairly
sophisticated magnitude. there's no reason they can't do it again. we all remember, those of us in washington and new york, do you remember after those attacks, how on edge we were? it's going to happen again, there were false alarms. and it's just a matter of time, they're coming to get us. as time wears on, you feel less vulnerable. but this country has been hit hard twice in 12 months. imagine that in our country and you get a sense of what's happening here. >> that's a great way to put it. thank you, lester. >> thank you. now let's go to the other side of the french border into belgium, which has emerged as a major site. keir, i know you've been following this part of the
investigation. what can you tell us? >> reporter: chuck, that raid that you talk about was pretty dramatic. police commandos moved from house to house. there were snipers on the roof. witnesses heard irregular gunfire. but they didn't actually seem to find what they were really looking for. what we think they're looking for, who who they're looking for is abdelsalam. he's thought to have fled paris with two others. he got to the border, was stopped, but it was hours after the attack, and he was allowed to go free. this is where he's from. his family live just across the square from here. so the suspicion is that he could be here, not just suspicion, a real worry and concern. as you can imagine, the fear is that he's going to feel cornered and that something else will happen. as we have seen in other kinds of terrorist cases in the past, there's another guy, by the way,
talked about as a shadowy figure, the mastermind, he came from this area too. and it's raising questions, chuck, about what exactly is happening here. and here's an interesting thing. what the politicians say here and the people who watch them is that what happened here is that the radical islamists in this area were just ignored. people closed their eyes and covered their ears because they didn't want to have any problems. and over decades, it has got worse and worse. there is perhaps in this small suburb of brussels, a message, that if you leave this problem, if you turn away, it just comes back and attacks you. >> per capita in europe, belgium has had more citizens go into the fight than any other country? >> yeah, around about 500 are thought to have left this small country, the heart of europe, headed to iraq and syria to join
various radical groups, including isis. and of course the problem, what happens then, many of them have been coming back again. another interesting thing, by the way, is when you talk about this area, drug dealing, gun-running. these are gangsters that are joining isis. isis are welcoming them because they are so violent, because they will do anything. >> keir simmons in brussels, thank you very much. let's turn now to the president. during his news conference today in turkey, president obama was asked if the u.s. will be escalating its military response against isis. in fact, the president was asked again and again and again about a strategy that he said is not going to shift dramatically because he believes the current strategy is going to work. >> this is not conventional warfare. you know, we play into the isil
narrative when we act as if they're a state. and we use routine military tactics, and as i said every several weeks, we sit down with all my national security intelligence and military teams. i just spent the last three questions answering that very question. so i don't know what more you want me to add. i think i've described very specifically what our strategy is, and i've described very specifically why we do not pursue some of the other strategies that have been suggested. this is another variation on the same question. and i guess, let me try it one last time. as i said before, to some degree i answered the question earlier. >> well, did you see a pattern there? some visible frustration from the president. it may have come on the heels of another frustrating encounter for him. president obama met yesterday with russia's president vladimir putin on the sidelines of the
g20, broaching once again their disagreement about how to confront isis and how to deal with assad and the syrian civil war. i'm joined by michael mcfaul, former member of the president's national security council staff. ambassador mcfall, welcome, sir. that was a frustrated president i saw today. what's it like in the national security council room when he gets a similar treatment from staff? or have you seen that version of the president wildfire? >> i have, chuck. because there are lots of problems and most certainly this one, where the alternative solutions are ones that the president doesn't feel will work, or that the american people will report. so in this discussion, are we going to go in, are we going to have boots on the ground to go to raqqa? one, he has a suspicion that
that will not work, and b, he doesn't think the american people want to have u.s. soldiers in syria. so i have seen that before, and it is frustrating. the other thing i would say, he believes, as he said today, that over time, the strategy with incremental, you know, resources devoted to it, will work. but that it will take time. and that's the thing that i think he was asking for in his interaction today with those journalists. >> let me ask you this, he was making that case, that the strategy is working, give it time, give it space. i think the question on the minds of many reporters, okay, do we have time? does giving it time only perhaps extend the possibility that there's going to be more terrorist attacks in between while we deal with the core problem? >> obviously perhaps so. john brennan intimated that today, that they do have information about more plans. i want to be clear, though.
i don't think a lot of viewers understand or know that the united states has conducted over 8,000 air attacks against isis in the last 15 months. both in iraq and syria. so it's not like they're sitting on their hands. it's not like they are not attacking isis. but i think most people would also agree, you're not going to win a war against isis with just an air campaign. whether the french are involved or the russians are involved in that, it won't be won without other forces on the ground. >> by the way, the other thing that he will say, this isn't going to be -- there isn't a military solution, but let me ask you this, what other solution is there if you're dealing with a death cult, when it comes to isis? i don't mean to be that blunt about it, but are you going to ever be able to reason with isis? >> i don't think you're going to be able to reason with isis. and i don't want to claim to be an expert on isis, but i do think you need a political strategy that helps to stop people supporting isis. people forget that the reason
isis is in syria is because president assad has been killing isn't sunnis for a long time. we need a solution in syria and i do think there was some progress made, by the way, in the meeting with putin. that's what i heard from my former colleagues earlier today ask, that is part of the political strategy that ultimately would lead to a common coalition of sunnis and kurdish fighters that will be willing to fight isis, but that's part of the solution as well. it just can't be bomb them into oblivion. >> do you think the president is getting fresh thinking in his national security team right now, or are you concerned some of those folks have been there too long? >> you're asking about my friends, chuck. >> well, it's more about bringing in new voices. do you recommend that? >> oh, i think there's a healthy debate about what to do, what to do next. i think secretary carter who i saw recently on this, he is a
fresh brain and a rethinking of the strategy. i don't think that's the problem. i think the problem is, there's no easy solutions, especially when there won't be political support for the more dramatic solutions of bringing u.s. forces on the ground in syria. >> all right, mike mcfall, i will leave it there, former ambassador to russia. thank you, sir. >> thank you. we'll be back to "mtp daily." stick around. sh back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? hey! how are you?g? where are we watching the game? you'll see. i think my boys have a shot this year. yeah, especially with this new offense we're running... i mean, our running back is a beast.
as we said earlier, on the heels of the paris attacks, there is growing fear in this country about the possible influx of syrian refugee, that somehow they could bring danger to the united states. it's already become a political lightning rod. as a slew of governors, republicans and some democrat, have announced opposition to accept refugees in their state.
then today, reminiscent of the opposition that reached its peak during the ebola virus last year, it was a windfall, as over a dozen other governors announced their defiance in taking in these refugees. but there are several democratic governors that are saying that syrian refugees are more than welcome in their states. washington, minnesota, and pennsylvania among them. the state department says its lawyers are studying where they have the legal authority to block locating refugees in their state. republican hopefuls are jumping on the issue. many have voiced their resistance throughout the day. rand paul says he'll introduce legislation to prevent terrorists from entering the u.s. as refugees. mike huckabee called on house speaker paul ryan to defund the president's relocation program all the way, saying, if speaker ryan will not lead and reject the importation of those fleeing
the middle east, he needs to step down today and let someone else lead. the talk will only increase. more on this coming up with the republican senator from oklahoma, who has most recently toured a syrian refugee camp. the citi double cash® card comes in very handy with cash back twice. with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn on purchases,
it makes a lot of other cards seem one sided. continuing coverage here on "mtp daily" of the terror attack in paris. president obama used his press conference at the g20 today -- he was a bit on defense on some things. he faced a barrage of criticism from republican presidential contenders past and present. today he used part of his press conference to answer those criticisms. take a look. >> my critics, to some degree i answered the question earlier. i think when you listen to what they actually have to say, what they're proposing, most of the
time when pressed, they describe things that we're already doing. >> we need to coordinate intelligence. >> we're streamlining the process by which we share intelligence and operational military information with france. >> declare a no-fly zone over syria. >> it is determined that it would be counterproductive to take those steps. they resurface. unless we're prepared to have a permanent occupation of these countries. >> just hours yesterday, before they struck in paris, he told abc news that his strategy was containing isis. >> when i said that we are containing their spread in iraq and syria, in fact, they control less territory than they did last year. >> the last i checked, those planes that flew into the twin towers weren't piloted by a bunch of ticked-off presbyterians. >> when i hear political leaders suggesting that there would be a
religious test for which person who's fleeing from a war-torn country is admitted, that's shameful. that's not american. that's not who we are. >> and attack the oil. because that's their primary source of wealth. attack the oil. >> we've been coordinating internationally to reduce their financing capabilities, the oil that they're trying to ship outside. >> as you can see, we did our best there to try to match up the unspecified criticisms that the president was talking about with some specifics there. in the president's press conference today, he did not close the door to refugees in the united states. in fact, he was pretty emphatic about it. >> in terms of refugees, it's clear that countries like turkey, lebanon, and jordan, which are already bearing an extraordinary burden, cannot be expected to do so alone. >> here's what we can tell you, between 2012 and 2015, the
united states took in over a thousand refugees. germany took in over 90,000. the senator from oklahoma has asked tr a pause in accepting refugees from the united states. he joins me now. he toured a camp. senator, let me start with that. tell me about the syrian refugee camp you toured and visited, and where was it. >> it was right on the border with jordan. in fact, i went up with the president of jordan in his helicopter, we went over into syria, into the refugee camp, and of course the thousands of people that are there, you look at someone like jordan, and they are not able to absorb anymore, and they've already absorbed more than they said they could absorb. so it's a very sad thing, and i know people are sympathetic, as i am, to them. but when it comes down -- by the way, you can add one more state to the states that are not wanting to have any more of the
syrian refugees, that's my state of oklahoma, as of about 30 minutes ago. so i really do believe that you're going to have to look at this and look at it realistically and say, look, this isn't going to happen. we're not going to allow them to come into our country. we have a responsibility in this country, the united states of america, to protect our citizens. that's what we're supposed to be doing. i think when the eu came out with the hundreds of thousands that should be absorbed by the members, then some countries, poland was one of them, that said, not by us, they're not. so i kind of joined that group that until this thing is settled down, i'd like to have a mor torrium on our refugees. >> do you not think we could put in the secured procedures necessary? we have plenty of security procedures as it is now when people are traveling from overseas. do you not think we could put in something specific here, take our time, you don't have to rush
them, in, take your time, know who you're bringing in and then bring them in? >> my answer is no. it's pretty well accepted that to vet someone for coming into the country takes between a year and 18 months. we don't have the time and the resources to do that adequately. let me just read you a quote. i was listening to what obama was saying. well, this is his own dni, director of national intelligence, he said, quote, we don't obviously put it past the likes of isil to infiltrate the refugees. he said, one isis terrorist entering our country would directly threaten our homeland and its people. now, that's not me talking. that's the director of national intelligence. >> i understand that, but are you concerned about the vicious cycle of us rejecting these folks and it only embitters them more? there's going to be -- what are we going to do with these
refugees? you're right, more european countries don't want to take them. what are we going to do with these folks? >> hey, chuck, there is not an easy solution to this. all the alternatives are bad. and i don't know what we'll be doing with these people, but i do know that i don't want them here if there are operatives that are coming over. let's keep in mind, after this happened on friday night, they said america, you're next. i don't remember which operative it was that said that, but i believe these guys. they're using all the resources they have, and we want to use your resources to reject that. sure, a lot of people will be hurt by closed doors, but if it means we're going to stop someone from coming in and doing what happened friday night, and incidentally, i think you've been reminding people that the president said only a few hours before that, that isis is contained, didn't say it was conditional, they said it was contained. let me mention one other things.
you mentioned i was on the armed services committee. we've been trying to get a strategy, talk to any of the members, they don't have a strategy. so until you come up with a strategy in the middle east and -- >> well, the president believes he has a strategy, just sounds like there are some people who believe that if the strategy doesn't have an escalated military component to it, then they don't like it. >> chuck, he ought to share that strategy with us, because we don't know what its strategy is. >> you don't feel like you know? >> no, he hasn't talked about his strategy. you can ask any of the members of the armed services committee, we've been trying to extract that from him. it's very difficult for us. we don't know how he's really listening to the military. you talk about boots on the ground and talk about increasing our resources, you need to get that from our leaders that are over there, military leaders. they know more than we know about it. >> i'll leave it there with you. republican senator jim inhofe
from oklahoma. speaking of military leards, a former military leader, i turn now to former defense secretary, bill cohen. thank you for coming on. >> thank you, chuck. >> i want to start with the question that the president waved off today. he said that the american military, if it was necessary, could temporarily push back isis completely with enough ground troops and all this stuff and it could do it. but he said it would only be temporary. that eventually it would come back unless there was somehow a decision to occupy for a long period of time. i had somebody say to me, what's wrong with temporary? temporary would at least be a start. what do you say to that? >> well, temporary would be a start. the question is, do we have the staying power? how long are we willing to stay there? it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to kill the source as it is now. with the knowledge that it may
regrow in the future. but i like to come back to what senator inhofe has just said, about the need for military leaders to come forward. and frankly, the senate armed services committee, they are in the best position to invite the chairman of the joint chiefs, all of the commanders in the field, call them before the committee and say, you're under oath. any commander would come there knowing that he's duty-bound to tell the truth, but say, you're all under oath, give me your personal opinion. not what the official position is, tell me what your military recommendation is. so they have the opportunity to get that information. and should not simply say that, we don't know what the strategy is. find out from the folks are doing the fighting. >> let's be blunt on this. i think you probably know the answer to this and i think i do. nobody wants to hear what the recommendation is, because the recommendation is politically, not very palatable. >> well, then, that's a card to
be laid and played and say, okay, here's what we think needs to be done. if you're talking about eradicating isil, here's what it's going to take. and this is what it will cost in lives, treasure, and commitment over time. this is what we think to the members of the senate and the house. obviously they have given recommendations to the president. he has chosen to follow a different strategy as such. by trying to contain isil and the elements that follow it. but i think we have to now face up to the reality. is it time for the american people to support putting troops on the ground? >> is that the recommendation? if you were called up in front of armed services right now, as an expert, and you've been called up as an expert before, as a former, i believe, i think mccain's done that to you a couple of times. what would you be saying? would you be saying it's time to make the case to the american people that it's going to take more than just air strikes? >> i think you have an
obligation, before you commit any troops, your young men and women to battle, you have an obligation to say, what is the mission, what is the strategy, what are the costs, is it achievable? how much will it cost us in blood and treasure? and what's the long-term exit strategy? those things have to be answered before you commit men and women into battle. so i would say to the president, mr. president, this doesn't appear to be working as is. we can intensify it, by intensifying the bombing, but we need more people on the ground in the form of special forces to direct that. we need more -- we want to make sure that we have arab countries on the ground, not simply the western white world carrying out this battle. mr. president, this is what needs to be done. if you're looking for a military solution, this is what we think we need to have. >> nobody has been able to explain an exit strategy. >> well, that's part of the
question here. how long do we have to stay, are we willing to stay, and will the american people support it? i think it's a mistake to make these grand proclamations that we'll do the following and then turn around and say, wait a minute, don't we have a sequester in place? haven't we cut the military budget dramatically? isn't our military, by the way, the army today, in terms of readiness, according to the people i talk to, we are at a 31% ready in our military today, our army. that's 2/3 that aren't ready to go into battle because of lack of training and equipment and preparation. that's not a great story to be telling the american people why not, because we've cut the money back. so let's not sit back on the sidelines and just criticize. >> secretary cohen with some tough talk this evening. thanks for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> coming up, isis threatens more attacks, including one at
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>> i certainly would not consider it a one-off event. it is clear to me that isil has an external agenda, that they are determined to carry out these types of attacks. i would anticipate that this is not the only operation that isil has in the pipeline. >> major cities around the world, including right here in new york city are taking new e precautions. mayor bill de blasio announced a new force to deal with the threat and try to thwart attacks like in beirut and now in paris. joining me now, the chief of counterterrorism for the nypd. thank you for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> you heard what director brennan said, and you operate this way all the time, as if there are plans in the pipeline. >> correct. it's our operating plan that new york city is the target and we plan and deploy accordingly. >> when you hear about sharing
intelligence, the president talked about streamlining intelligence. without giving away too much, how much does it work? it's one thing for you to be domestically -- have good communication with the fbi and with our intel. but how much international cooperation do you get here at the nypd? >> i think we get a lot of cooperation from the programs that are in place in the intelligence community. so with our partnership with the jttf, they have legal attaches in all the country, they share information with us on a regular basis. the cia shares classified information through the jttf with the new york city police department. >> the joint terrorism task force. >> jttf, the joint terrorist task force, with the fbi. so our partnership with the fbi, 35 years now, we're celebrating an anniversary of working together. >> explain the precautions you're taking over the weekend. paris happens. what happens? explain what you did. >> so, once we learned what was
going on, we tried to get a handle quickly on what was happening from news reports. we immediately redeployed some of our critical response command vehicles to french locations, the consulate, the mission, several schools, et cetera. we started to raise up our awareness at other locations. our strategy response group, which are heavily armed officers. that's newly constructed in the last year with long dwuns and helmets and vests, we deployed them to strategic locations around the city, and we just paid attention to the intense, we waited to hear more from the jttf, and we have a detective assigned in paris. so we were getting realtime information from the detective, so that we could better inform us to better deploy. >> in this day and age, what is something that you wish you had more of? is it more people, more cyber
intelligence? >> you can never have enough intelligence, enough intel. >> although some argue there's too much intelligence, because of sifting through it all. >> better to have more and not need it, and then need it and not have it. but i would say intelligence. i was asked that question. i often ask myself that question when we have something like friday night, are we deployed in all the right places. we didn't just react on friday evening, this is a 365 operation. >> chief, thank you for being with us. >> thank you very much. >> i would like to think it made some people feel better. we'll have an update from paris ahead. you're watching "mtp daily.dail" we'll be right back. supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company... you might give this a try... the only medicare supplement plans that carry the aarp name, and the ones that millions of people trust year after year.
coming up, we'll hear from the other side of the aisle, rhode island senator jack reed, somebody who the president does listen to closely. he'll join me with his reaction to the terror attack and how it could reshape u.s. policy on isis. and also bill neely, my colleague in paris, he'll have an update on the investigation. you're watching "mtp daily" and our continuing coverage of the terror attacks in paris.
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let's go back to paris now and check in with our chief global correspondent bill neely. he's been reporting on how the french are striking back against isis. let's start with that. these air strikes that france has launched against syria. are these air strikes that would have been normally launched by the united states, but we're letting france take the lead? that was one version of a report that i had heard. >> well, nobody is saying that officially, chuck, but that very much looks like it was the case. france wanted an opportunity to strike back. many people are saying these raids were more symbolic than militarily effective. 12 warplanes taking off, dropping around 20 bombs on the isis stronghold of raqqa, syria. it was thought that those targets were selected possibly as long as two weeks ago and that the united states let the
french take the heavy load. u.s. forces were also involved in these air strikes, and they were the biggest air strikes f undertaken so far. it's been a day when the military strike, the military revenge, if you like, has been at center stage here. the french president francois hollande addressing a joint meeting of the french parliament saying the military campaign against isis will be expanded. to that end, a french aircraft carrier is now moving closer to syria and iraq and off that, the french will be able to launch more war planes. he asked for the french constitution to be amended to tackle isis here. he had a message for isis, as well. he said, you won't destroy france, france will destroy you. that came after some fairly grim warnings from the prime minister this morning. he said isis was planning more attacks and that the french people should be prepared for
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news french war planes are pounding isis in syria. president obama said u.s. will share more of its isis intelligence with france. its policies on this issue have been coming under scrutiny by his former political adversaries, including former presidential nominee mitt romney. >> it's clear he pulled his punches there. he laid out a tactic a couple of years ago, it's very obvious his tactics there have not worked. he said isis had been contained. it's obviously not been contained. paris is evidence of that, libya evidence of that, lebanon, north africa. >> the president fought back remarking at how this was always meant to be a long-term mission, setbacks and all. >> we have always understood that this would be a long-term campaign. there will be setbacks and there will be successes. the terrible events in paris were obviously a terrible and sickening setback.
even as we grieve with our french friends, however, we can't lose sight that there has been progress being made. >> senator reid joins me now. let me start with this. one of your colleagues, dianne feinstein was on with my colleague andrea mitchell earlier today. she essentially said the strategy has to change. where are you on this issue? >> well, i think what we have to do is is vigorously attack isil in syria and in iraq using american air power and coalition air power including french air power and with local forces on the ground. you do need boots on the ground. those are the ones that are there forever. second i think we have to go ahead and share more intelligence, cooperate more with our allies, develop more intelligence. we have to take these, not only threats, but the tragic and
horrific events in paris and renew our efforts there. then we have to begin, in fact, rejuvenate in many respects the information campaign to discredit and disrupt isil and to prevent their recruiting. it's significant that the individuals involved in this attack in paris, there were a few that had connections through syria. many were french citizens home grown. they are reacting not to things taking place in iraq but reacting to what they are seeing on the internet. >> it's interesting. it's tough to defeat them militarily and the ideology. let me ask you this on syria. everybody now is saying the long-term objective is assad has to go. is that now fully long term? do we have to, in order to focus on isis or isil, set aside our differences with russia on assad
for now? >> russia are now as vulnerable as we are to isil. they suffered casualties with the takedown of the aircraft. they cannot try to play both sides, both assad and isil. they have to come together. that means, and the international community, assad must go. there are ways, i think. i hope secretary kerry can find a way in which that transition will be done quickly in a way that the russians can accept it. he has to go. his presence stimulates isil's activity. gives them a very visible symbol of why they're struggling against not only the west but against assad and his government. >> on the refugee crisis, are you comfortable saying no to all refugees for now? >> i think what we have to do is ensure, as we do, that there are rigorous procedures, interagency procedures at the federal level
to make sure anyone coming here is coming with legitimate reasons. they are not going to be engaged in any activities that would pose a threat to the united states. that should be the emphasis. it must continue to be the emphasis. >> do we have that ability now? are you confident in our system? >> i think we have that ability, but i think given what we have seen, particularly in europe, we have to double and recheck. one of the interesting factors is again, if you go back to the incidents in paris, many of them were french citizens. they had been born in france. we have in the united states already a large muslim population. there is a difference. we have a much more integrated people, regardless of religion or ethnic heritage we have an overarching sense of americanism, for lack of a better term, patriotism. that's why unlike places in europe particularly since 9/11,
we have seen incidents, but have not seen the widespread type of disassociation and coming of sectarianism you've seen. >> no doubt we integrate better. i've got to leave it there. appreciate you sharing your wisdom with us. a lot more tomorrow on mtp daily. right now stay tuned for more of our coverage on msnbc and special live coverage of the attacks in paris continue. erica hill will anchor live from paris after this. good evening, i'm erica hill live in paris. the deadliest attacks here in france since world war ii. right now, the hunt is on for two people reportedly linked to this mass being a ear. saleh abdeslon