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strategic options against the islamic state. in washington, homeland security secretary jeh johnson and james comey will brief house members on the paris attacks in a classified meeting. is washington next? this is "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in new york. isis threatened to hits america's capital as it hit france. the cia director says other attacks are in the pipeline. isil is not contained, it's exploding. this is not a drill. after beirut, the russian airliner and paris, could
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washington be the next target and soon? nbc's chief global correspondent bill neely joins us live from paris today. in turkey, president obama said there was no significant intelligence warning before the paris attack. >> every day we have threat streams coming through the intelligence transit. some of it is extraordinarily vague and unspecific, and there is no clear time table. some of it may be more specific, and then folks chase down that threat to see what happens. i'm not aware of anything that was specific in the sense that would have given a premonition about a particular action in paris that would allow for law enforcement on military actions to disrupt it. >> new propaganda from isis plans to carrying out a s similar attack in washington, d.c.
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the director of the cia john brennan warns the paris attack is likely to be followed by more. >> i would not consider it a one-off event. it is clear to me that isil has an external agenda that they are determined to carry out these types of attacks. this is not something that was done in a matter of days. this was something that was deliberately and carefully planned over the course of several months, in terms of making sure they had the operatives, the weapons, the explosives with the suicide belts. so i would anticipate that this is not the only operation that isil has in the pipeline. i do believe that this is something we are going to have to deal with for quite some time. not just europe. i think we here in the united states have to also be obviously vigilant. >> today senator dianne feinstein, the ranking democrat on the intelligence committee sounded a warning about the threat posed by isis.
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>> i've never been more concerned. i read the intelligence faithfully. isil is not contained. isil is expanding. they just put out a video saying it is their intent to attack this country. i think we have to be prepared. there's only one way we are going to diminish them and that is by taking them out because they are growing. they are in more than a dozen countries now. >> bill neely joins us live from paris tonight. thank you. how goes the investigation, especially towards the catching of that eighth suspect? >> just picking up from those comments, it's not just french police investigating this, it's belgian, german, spanish police intelligence agencies, britain, the u.s. and israel.
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isis is a global threat and now demands a global response. here in france, yes, the investigation is intense, especially the manhunt for that missing possibly eighth attacker salah abdeslam. it's not clear where he is at the moment. the suspicion is he may be back in belgium. of course, this plot was almost centered in the brussels suburb of molenbeek. also police naming the suspected master mind, the person who is believed to be still in syria who may be behind the massacres on these streets, abdul hamid abaaoud. said to be so radical he persuaded his 13-year-old brother to join him to fight in syria. this is an intention investigation. on the back of that, we had the french president today with pretty stern warnings. first of all to isis he said, you won't destroy france, france
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will destroy you. he wants a change in the french constitution so that it's easier to tackle jihadists here in france. france's aircraft carrier is this week heading closer to syria and iraq. from that aircraft carrier french war planes will launch more raids like we saw in the last 24 hours, 12 war planes attacking the isis strong holds of raqqah, syria, dropping 20 bombs. france wants to step up its military campaign against a threat here with many people asking, however, how will more raids in raqqah stop isis on the streets of paris? many people worry that it may, in fact, cause a backlash. so questions also being asked
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here, but the president quite firm, we will defeat you. >> thank you, bill neely in paris. i'm joined by the former mayor of new york city rudy giuliani. your reaction to this just off the cuff? >> i've been very sad all weekend. friday night and saturday was tough, emotionally living through september 11 reminded me of it. i thought we put this behind us. we haven't. i think it's worse now than it was then. there is no doubt in my view this should not have happened. we should have remained in iraq. that was my position when i ran for president. i don't care about public opinion. i care about the national security of the united states. we should have 40,000 troops in iraq. if we had them there consistently, isis would never have emerged. we would have picked that information up immediately. john mccain warned five years ago we've got to go in.
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we've got to go into syria. we've got to close this vacuum. we let isis emerge. then we have the president saying the day before this happened that isis was contained. he's getting bad intelligence. >> we have a problem here. seems to me when we kill them, it helps them. they radicalize, they put up the posters. when they kill us, they get confidence-building. how do you kill what is basically an ideology. these people are french. they live in france, live in belgium, may live in the united states, they attack in beirut, bring down a russian airplane. it's not like a gang. they are everywhere. how do you find them and kill them? >> from september 11, 2001, after that attack -- >> that was al qaeda. >> until 2008, we were pretty darn safe here. we had them on defense. we had 100,000 troops in iraq, 30,000 troops in afghanistan. they didn't have the time to figure out how to come and
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attack us because we had them on the run. plus, here's the thing we're missing. the director of the cia should know this better than i do. the cia can't get that much information. we didn't have 50,000, 60,000 troops in the country, you get a lot of intelligence. you find out about isis and isil. and break-offs and spin-offs. why did we have troops in germany for all those years during the cold war? why did we have troops in south korea? >> to fight the soviets. >> to fight those who would come over the border and try to kill us. we should get information, contain them and staying on top of them. the president of france are should invoke article v of the nato treaty. >> and bring us in. >> all of us in. not just us. all the nato members, our proportionate share and do what dianne feinstein said, destroy them. you do not temper a bully by
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placating him. >> what do we do with the tens of thousands of refugees? my own view is send them, train them and send them back. >> we shouldn't take them. in the vetting process is a joke. >> where do they go? >> we have no information. >> who gets them? >> mccain had the answer to that. graham and feinstein. set up a no-fly zone. >> no. what do we do with the refugees? >> pour them back into syria and put them in a no-fly zone in syria. this will be a safe place. have them surrounded by nato troops to protect them. >> so repatriate them. >> send them back to syria. that's where they belong and protect them in syria. >> talk about russia. they have fighter planes in the air over syria. how do we enforce a no-fly zone. >> i think they would agree to that. their big deal is does assad
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stay in power or not. this shouldn't affect that. we should debate that. >> do you think we are hedging on that a bit now? >> i think we are hedging on that. >> i think we probably think we need russia in this with us. we don't. nato can do this. nato accomplished a lot in eastern europe under clinton. >> you don't have any ideological problem dealing with the russians on this? >> there are too many lives at stake. brennan is right. who knows where, when? >> look at that picture on the screen there. there is rudy giuliani -- wait, you're sitting with me. vladimir putin and barack obama with susan rice, the u.n. ambassador and a translator, interpreter, trying to hash out something. >> they have a common enemy. >> that is remarkable. >> when you think about it. think of what the islamist
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terrorists killing all the children. that had to have an effect on putin. september 11, ft. hood, france. they are doing the same thing bin laden did to us. he declared war on us and came and attacked us. we should take them city. >> you are a big city mayor. how do you carefully deal with the muslim community? donald trump is talk about shutting down what he considers hardline mosques. that is somebody screaming for war perhaps. what about islamists? how do you go into a mosque and say we don't like the talk in here? >> you don't shut them down. >> you don't agree with trump. >> i do agree you can have police in there listening to what they are doing. i'm the mayor who put the police in. bloomberg continued it and de blasio took them out. there is nothing wrong with
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policemen sitting in mosques and churches and synagogue. >> what did it accomplish? >> it saves us two or three attacks and gave us warning of a fourth one. sometimes it's not imman. some times it's the people in the mosque. they get together and radicalize themselves. you get undercover cops in there and start to find out about it, you can get intelligence and prevent something like this. frankly, i don't know any priest, rabbi or minister who wouldn't welcome having a police officer at their service. >> we have a tough question about hillary clinton and her debate performance. she said the reason she was taking big money from wall street is because she was helpful to 9/11 during its crisis up here. she was helpful to manhattan. lower manhattan. >> it is true she was helpful. she was a senator at the time. i called upon her and she was there every time. for that i will always give her
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credit. however, i don't see the connection between that and all the money she was raising from wall street ten years later, 11 years later, 12 years later. i don't think that accounts for the multimillion dollar speaking fees. >> you don't have problem taking money from wall street interests? >> i love wall street. i'm a republican. >> i love wall street. i'm a republican. >> they supported my city. how do you thing i took care of the poor people? >> you're an unashamed capitalist. >> you're darn right i am. >> i'm glad we got something straightened out there the 92nd street y had me there and were great welcoming me. i want to give a special thanks to anita. i said i'd mention you. how the attacks are changing the politics in this country. you are hearing it and listening to it and the 2016 presidential race is getting red hot on this issue.
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secretary of state john kerry arrived in paris this afternoon to show american solidarity with france. he'll meet with french president hollande tomorrow morning. this evening he found not the fear. >> we must do what is within our power and that begins with the sense of fierce solidarity among good and decent people everywhere, with the vow that we will never be intimidated by terrorists. and with the promise we will never allow these murderers to achieve their vile means. no one will doubt the light still shines in the city of light and the darkness will not ever never overpower it. >> that's u.s. ambassador to
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france jane hartley.
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as french president francois hollande said today the attacks were organized in neighboring belgium. in that country focus has centered around molenbeek. reuters reports according to federal prosecutors in belgium, some people apprehended since friday are being held on charges of terrorism. an international manhunt continues for those connected to ate tacks themselves. among those at large is the eighth person suspected of carrying out the attacks salah abdeslam. hours after the massacre, he was stopped in a car at the franco/belgium border questioned by officials.
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however, he was allowed to go free. in france, police launched over 150 raids overnight targeting known islamists across the country. the associated press reports french authorities have also named a belgium national as the lead organizer of the attacks this friday night, abdelhamid abaaoud who was pictured in an isis propaganda magazine. let's go to christopher. what do you make of the fact the eighth suspect, if you will, managed to get across the border? >> well, it was obviously a screw up except it isn't clear they really knew what or who they were looking for the moment he passed through. remember, there was a lot of talk about sealing the borders of france. that's like sealing the border between new jersey and new york. they were stopping and
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questioning people. at that moment, they didn't have any particular reason to think this guy, a french citizen would be a problem. >> do the french have the same concern we have about not profiling? if a person comes through, seems to be from the middle east in terms of their background and their name, do they have any squeamishness about holding that person for further questioning or treat it as a blind interview? >> well, i think officially they're squeamish. in reality not so squeamish. you have to remember that part of france and belgium has a very, very large population of people from the middle east and north africa. or the a least who are descended from people from the middle east and north africa. rube always had a lot of people from north africa. it's not like this was the lone arab coming through.
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i'm sure there were hundreds going through. >> thanks for coming out. you look cold up there. tell us about what's going on in brussels in this suburb which is not exactly a rich suburb, it's a poor person's suburb. you have all this terrorism coming out of it, molenbeek. tell bus that. >> indeed. i'm standing here in molenbeek. we were here earlier about six blocks straight up that way. the police were here this morning about 10:00 a.m. doing a big raid. they arrested one person and chased another guy into balgd. he sealed himself in, barricaded himself in for six hours. police went in through the roof, set off explosions and flushed him out. both those guys weren't related, they think to the terrorism in paris but are being charged with terrorism. that's the way this is here. there are so many people involved in terrorism here. when you do search house-to-house, you're coming up with people who they can charge
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with terrorism but aren't necessarily related to the attacks in paris. >> why does belgium allow under its own roof, its own territory the known operation center of so many terrorists? why can't it arrest thechl if they are connected to terrorism? it's almost like they've got an inhouse gitmo there. they have their own freedom to do what they want. >> they call it europe's achilles' heel. it is certainly a weak spot in european security. that is because belgium doesn't believe in surveillance. they don't believe in a lot of the measures other manlor european capitals have such as london and prayers. we have closed-circuit television constantly monitoring things. that creates a huge black hole for most of european security agencies and helped foster enormous amounts of terrorists in this neighborhood.
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this is the second poorest neighborhood in belgium. there have been terrorists that have come from here that have gone from madrid to paris to as far away as afghanistan. >> tell us about abdelhamid abaaoud, called the key organizer here. we don't know why he is, possibly syria? >> we think he is probably in syria at the moment. that is where he is alleged to have plotted this attack. he is a highly publicized crazy and cruel jihadist. there was a profile of him in the propaganda magazine of isis. there was a video of him dragging bodies out of a truck laughing, making jokes saying we used to pull jet skis behind this truck, now we pull bodies because it's god's will. he is a disgusting guy, but i would be careful about this. he's got so much publicity, such
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a high profile, he may not be the master mind. it may be easier for isis and us to point him out. >> jay, i know you're ripe for time all these years. give us the atmospheric over there. do they feel they are being targeted by the westerners or do have a haven for the bad guys? or both? >> there's a lot of unhappiness in molenbeek this morning. the residents say with the number of police, they've done four raids, police have been going almost door-to-door in this neighborhood. they feel it's unjustified, unfair. 99% of the people here don't warrant it, they say. and this is unfair to them. at the same time, this is clearly a hotbed of terrorism. they sent more than 300 people back to syria from this neighborhood. it's a real problem for not only
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belgium but the rest of europe. the belgian president said saturday after the parisian attacks, said it was clear it was time to crack down on this neighborhood and clean it out. that is their intention. not just the next couple of days, but the months moving forward. there will be a lot of changes here. it will cause unhappiness. there is an election here november 28th. what happens, it's clearly with the intent of securing this neighborhood and securing europe. >> i can't imagine what the terrorist vote reads like. thank you, christopher dickey in paris and jay newton-small from brussels. what this terror attack in paris means for the presidential campaign back here in the states as americans shift their focus from domestic fights to international issues. the implication for politics at home.
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we have to look at isis as the leading threat of an international terror network. it cannot be contained. it must be defeated. >> that was hillary clinton on saturday night in the democratic candidate's debate saying isis cannot be contained. in contrast to what president obama said the morning of the paris attacks. the paris attacks are altering the american landscape here in the united states and shaking up the 2016 contest. the issue of terrorism is seen as a net plus, especially for the more hawkish candidates like trump and marco rubio. rubio slammed hillary clinton for not using the word "islamic terrorism" and called for more aggressive engagement in syria. >> secretary clinton did not want to use the words radical islam. your response? >> i don't understand it that. would be like saying we weren't
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at war with nazis because we were afraid to offend germans. this is a clash of civilizations. as i said at the debate earlier this week, there is no middle ground. either they win or we win. i would ask our allies to invoke article v. this was an attack of war. we should bring everyone together to put together a coalition to confront this challenge. there will have to be a significant american engagement. >> donald trump had tough talk today on "morning joe." >> if i were president, we probably wouldn't be in the problems we have right now because it's incredible. we have an attack then all of a sudden we bomb all these sites. why didn't we bomb the sites before? >> attack the oil that. is their primary source of wealth. i would obliterate their source of wealth. i would attack the banking system. >> would you be willing to send 10,000 u.s. troops over there? >> yes, i would. i'd engage other countries. >> according to the new reuters
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poll, 60% say we need to do more to attack isis. a much higher number, 76% do not want to send u.s. ground troops over there. just how much will the paris attacks affect american politics? howard fineman, eugene robinson, gentlemen, i'm glad you're back on today. i'll start with this question. why does rubio want to have this as a clash of civilizations? i thought that was what isis wanted what al qaeda wants? to have the islamic world fight with the western world. why would he want what they want? to see the world in a religious struggle, a religious struggle? why say islamic? why don't we say terrorists. why does he want obama and hillary clinton to swallow those words. was that about? howard. >> i think it's about marco rubio trying to get as far to the right and as apocalyptic and his fear-mongering as he can because that's what the
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republican contest is going to be about now. you have jeb bush talking more and more like his brother george instead of his father george. you have ted cruz and donald trump competing with each other because they've been sling an us versus them theory of the world for this entire campaign. this is just their biggest excuse and biggest opportunity to sell that theme. >> gene, same question to you. there is one point, 7.5 billion islamic people in the world. they are as far from arab as you and i are far from arab. they happen to be muslims. they live in india. they live in pakistan. they live in indonesia. why do we want to declare war on them calling our terrorist opponents islamic? >> we don't. or we shouldn't.
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in fact, george w. bush did not. right after 9/11, a moment that filled me with pride came out and said we are not at war with islam. we are at war with this crazy al qaeda group. we are not at war with one of the world's great religions. it is a ridiculous thing. i sincerely hope that none of these characters, if they were to become president would repeat such a thing. it is a sentiment no president of the united states would utter. >> mussolini never declared war on the catholics. the obama administration says it's sticking to its plan to allow up to 10,000 syrian immigrants seeking asylum into the united states. here is ben rhodes being pressed about it yesterday on "meet the press." >> does the president have pause
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about bringing syrian refugees into the united states? >> no. we have extensive screening procedures. there is a careful vetting process that includes our intelligence community, department of homeland security. we can make sure we are carefully screening anybody who comes to the you'd. >> today the president's policy was met with fierce resistance from the right in this country. at least 18 republicans, governors, said they want to prevent somehow more syrian refugees to coming to their states. the 2016 republican presidential candidates reacted. senator rand paul introducing a bill to prevent them from coming to the united states. reject the president's plan or step down. the usual huckabee. bobby jindal issued an executive order in louisiana to prevent any more refugees from settling
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in his state. i'm not sure that is constitutional. jeb bush said we should focus our efforts for the christians that are being slaughtered, as opposed to those that are muslims. chris christie said because he lacks confidence in the administration's vetting ability, he says no syrian refugees now, not even 3-year-old orphans. president obama spoke out against this language. >> close our hearts to these victims of such violence and somehow start equating the issue of refugees with the issue of terrorism. >> how does this break out politically? who wins in this fight? >> i think obviously the republicans think that they have the winning hand.
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i will say again from the start of this campaign on the republican side especially, there's been this sense they are going to run against the seen and unseem them. the people who take unfair advantage us to in trade, according to triumphant people trample our immigration rules as said by ted cruz. now you add this question of refugees to it. the republican aim is to stoke as much fear as they can. i think their calculation is in swing states. don't forget, yes, they're all republican governors who said we don't want the refugees, that's true. some are republican governors in swing states like florida, like north carolina. and demonstrates by presidential tradition such as michigan, for example. they clearly think they have the upper hand. i'm not sure they don't. the american people don't want to send troops abroad. that's true according to that new poll showed.
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it's not clear they will be favorably disposed to having more refugees come here. >> your thought about the refugee situation. will the american people absorb the 65,000 the president and secretary of state are advocating? >> they certainly wouldn't even notice 10,000, to tell you the truth. we should keep in mind we are talking about something much less than a drop in the bucket. there are 2 million syrian refugees in turkey. there are hundreds of thousands in europe. whether we take the 2,000 we've taken or 10,000 or 65,000 makes almost no difference to the situation over there. that said, i tend to agree with howard that this is an issue that if you want to demagogue it, you can demagogue it. >> if we are asking american service people to fight, why don't we recruit among the syrian refugees? there must be tens of thousands able-bodied men willing to join a volunteer force and retake
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their country. we keep talking about the free syrian army. it's in europe heading here. i'd get out of there, too. who wouldn't? i'd get out of that hell hole. it's their country. the primary people that should be fighting for that country's liberation are the people from that country. i'm not being a hard guy about this. we ought to be thinking about sending them to recruiting stations to win that war. right now there is no free shared army. we are losing because we don't have an army. this is an opportunity to build the army. thank you, howard fineman. i don't mean to talk like this. there is something anomalous about us fighting over there and the syrians coming to live here peacefully. president obama says sending ground troops is a mistake. what's the best option in the fight against isis? sure, tv has evolved over the years.
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those of you watching at home who could imagine this happening on your door step, do not let yourselves be ruled by fear. the islamic state groups are trying to use these symbols of our daily lives for their own political end and we will not let them. >> that was charlotte who survived the attack and a paris resident. she is urging people not to be fearful as you heard following the tragedy of france last week. she spoke with my colleague thomas roberts who joins me from paris. thanks so much. i hope the people from paris and france know how new york is
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feeling and reflecting the tragedy. you see the tri-colors at the washington square arch is impressive. including the world trade center towers. this city is reverberating emotionally with its fellow big city. >> i think you're right. charlotte was a great example as someone not born here in france. she is from britain originally and a young journalist living and working here if france and loving it. she was at dinner with friends at one of the places attacked. she was lucky enough to walk away to tell her story. we spoke to her many times over the weekend. she's been quiet over the last 12 to 24 hours, but wanted to come out today specifically with that message about resilience. we've seen this tremendous message of resilience today not only with the eiffel tower lit in french blue, white and red but french president hollande
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with a strong message today after a day of mourning. all this takes place, it's fluid, while there have been over 168 raids, 23 arrests and 104 people being questioned. the main person they want to find is this 26-year-old frenchman born in belgium, salah abdeslam who is believed to be connected in this. his brother is also connected to this they believe he is a live and a big thread to what they want to link to what happened on friday. >> paris still looks good from here. thank you for joining us. when we return, defeating isis. president obama says we have the right strategy. we'll see if that works. our coverage of the terror attacks in paris continue after this.
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well, in an event, the white house itself, first lady michelle obama weighed in on the terrorist attacks urging people to show strength and resilience in the tragedy. >> our thoughts are with the victims, their families, and all of the people of france, and we will continue to keep them in our hearts in the days ahead as my we have to continue to show stern of the values and hopes that the president spoke about when he talked. >> we'll be right back
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during this weekend's g 20 summit on counterterrorism, president obama huddled with vladimir putin, what a picture that is, speaking more than 30 minute, head to head, after that real life summit, president obama said there would be no change in u.s. strategy combating isis. the president faced a barrage of questions from a testy press court in turkey in inning one, quote, why can't we take out these bastards. he was defiant there's no ground war in the middle east. >> there had been a few we suggested we should put large numbers of u.s. troops on the ground. it is not just my view, but the view of my closest military and civilian advisers that's a mistake. every few months to go to walter reid, and i see a 25-year-old kid paralyzed or lost his limbs
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and some of those people i ordered into battle, and so i can't afford to play some of the political games that others made. >> well, president obama also had a message for the hawks in the republican party today. let's listen to that. >> what i'm not interested in doing is posing or pursuing a notion of american leadership or america winning or whatever other slogans they come up with that has no relationship to what it actually going to work to protect the american people and to protect people in the region who are getting killed and to protect our allies and people like france. i'm too busy for that.
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>> joined now by msnbc news terrorist analyst, and to the layman, i being a layman, this war seems very difficult because every time we kill people there, they are radicalized at home, they get more recruits. we have not got to the point of bombing a hospital, but that's coming in isis territory, and every time they kill, they get more momentum. >> they kill, they get killed, they win. >> how do you eliminate or degrade an enemy like that? >> it's true. we talk about air strikes, but the air strikes, doing it with cuffs on. we are avoiding obvious targets where if we struck them, yeah, we strike isis and civilian casualties. the problem is this is that the individuals behind this attack, they received some kind of training in firearms and explosives used here, they were not the boston bombers, not
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explosive made up -- >> not entirely. >> here's the sophisticated explosives made by someone who knew what nay were doing. the only time you have that. >> they have a ring leader somewhere, perhaps in syria putting the operation together. >> he talked about exactly that when interviewed in isis' magazine. look, as long as you have a group that holds on to territory, and in that territory you have folks training how to make explosives -- >> how do you ri take the territory when you have a shia led government in damascus and baghdad and they are sunni people? >> that's the problem. we, at one point, had an opportunity to recruit arab nationals, sunnis to fight against isis. i'm afraid that window may have closed. >> recruit among the syrians leaving. serious. 2 million people, there must be some abled bodied men in the group willing to join an army willing to go back and take the country back, and if they don't
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want to take the country back, how do we do it? >> if the people had faith enough, they would not run from syria. i have to say i understand their perspective. we once said there was a red line in syria. >> i'm not blaming america -- >> this was the reason -- >> if it's my country, i would want it back. >> look, we talk about this, but you see the refugees fleeing, there's families with kids -- >> i'm not talking about able dd steve, your thoughts, first, the whole question, how do we eliminate? destroy, eliminate, people like hillary clinton, how? >> i'm looking at the positives, continuous striking to me today was the response from the republicans, unanimity with the topic of the refugees they all said, we don't like the policy, don't want them. just all variations on ways to refuse them, when them came the question of, okay, what do we do in terms after strategy for isis? i heard trump saying, okay, okay with 10,000 troops, i heard carly fiorina talk about the
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troops, would not commit to sending any of them. there's a lot less agreement. >> what's the strategy? >> there's less agreement on the republican side now about the basic strategy of do we want to commit ground troops. >> sounds like unanimity on both sides. republicans and president against it. >> lindsey is for it, trump sends some, and mccain. >> okay. he always wants to send soldiers. that's his default. i think there's a problem. millions of syrians coming here, we fight their war for them, that's insane. i don't know why we would fight to liberate syria without asking the syrians to join. >> these are family. >> our military is families too. >> these are not fighters. >> do you have how many soldiers of ours are fighting overseas are in multiple deployments with families? >> look, everyone has families, but when you have little kids,
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and -- >> i don't know why -- look -- >> it's important -- >> we've been talking about building up a syria army for years now. there is no army. the basis of a syria army is leaving. >> that's true. that's true. >> okay. >> i don't think you can fault the people from running -- >> i'm not faulting them. i'm saying think about fighting for your country. >> look, i agree. the time for fighting for the country was back in 2013. these people are desperate. they afraid. >> they will not accept this. it's not going to work. you know your stuff about terrorism. let's talk politics. people want to fight for their own countries first, then we jump in. thank you, steve, great, professional, we'll be right back.
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well, it's coming up on 2:00 in the morning in paris. that's hardball for now, and our coverage now continues with chris hayes. good evening from new york city, i'm chris hayes, 72 hours after the worst attack in france, e.u., russia, u.s., and broader nations find themselves in a cross roads. in a span of two weeks, isis murdered civilians in beruit, lebanon, paris, france, and possibly russian page passengers flying from egypt as well. they are said to be at war as they plot and carry out the atrocity, men, who so far, appear to be european nationals.

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