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>> thank you very much. >> that is all in for this evening. the "rachel maddow" show starts right now. >> thank you. >> thank you at home for joining us. i'm rachel maddow in new york. richard engel is live in paris. i'm looking forward to doing this hour with you. thank you for being here, my friend. >> reporter: absolutely. >> we will be co-anchoring for most of this hour, because we basically want to combine the latest from our news room here in new york with richard's latest reporting from on the ground at the site of friday's terrorist attacks in paris. we will be talking about that. there is one specific thread from the investigation into the paris attacks that i think is worth pullinger right at the outset. it's a through line of the investigation that you can see now and i think that through
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line tells what appears to be a very worrying story about how the people who want to launch these kind of attacks in the west are getting better at it over time. i mean it in a specific sense and over a very short period of time. in april of this year, on the 19th of april, police in paris got a call from a man in distress. the equivalent of 911 because of a terrible gunshot wound. he was shot through the thigh, bleeding everywhere. he was laying on the street if farris when paramedics showed up. they saved his life. aside from dealing with this gruesome injury that he got, the next order of business was figuring out what had happened to the guy. it turned out the guy couldn't explain exactly how he got shot. so they had to investigate the scene where they found him to try to figure out who shot this guy. it turns out, he shot himself. by accident. in the leg.
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after getting the guy's 911 call. they found him bleeding. he's lying there in a pool of blood. there is a trail of blood leading from him. they follow the trail of blood from him on the sidewalk back to his vehicle, his car. and in his car they find a loaded ak-47 and a loaded pistol and a whole bunch of ammunition and three cell phones and a laptop and all sorts of notes for what looked like a planned terrorist attack on a nearby church. this idiot was apparently on his way to launch a one-man blood bath in france, he called the french equivalent of 911 and hoped police and paramedics and firefighters wouldn't know his weapons and terrorists stuff when the they turned up to help him. the police went to-idiot's apartment, they found more weapons and maps of his planned attack. they found lots of evidence of
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who else in europe he was communicating about his plans for this attack. they found a trail of communication that appeared to lead to someone in syria, who had been apparently encouraging this young man to carry out this attack and tilling him to hit a church, that specific day. >> that day that he did head out with a car full of weapons and a plan. but he shot himself before he could pull it off. >> that brilliant 24-year-old was arrested. at least two more people were eventually arrested in conjunction with that plot in april. police named one suspect in that case who never did get arrested. he was not thought to be in europe. he was ra 27-year-old belgium man, not in belgium at the time of this attempted attack in april. he was thought to be in syria. still, though, he was a named suspect in that attack. this 27-year-old belgium guy thought to be in syria named in conjunction with that man that shot himself on the way to go shoot up the church. april. then in august, it was a high
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speed train traveling between amsterdam and paris. a young man, 26-years-old, got aboard that train with an assault rifle, a pistol and several hundreds rounds of ammunition and a knife. he reportedly hid in the bathroom. after it crossed into belgium into france, he sprung out to the main part of the car. he started shooting. we remember that train attack because of three young american men among those that rushed the attacker at great risk to themselves. they tackled him. remarkably, nobody was killed in that attack. three people injured, not counting the assailant, himself, to got the snot beaten out of him who tried to kill people despite the ammo. the assailant from the train attack was a 25-year-old morgan morgue were / moroccoan man. he was not present for the attack.
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but this other named suspect is believed to be involved somehow t. high speed train attacked from august. that main suspect was the same named suspect the same 27-year-old belgium named as a suspect in that case from april where the idiot shot himself in the leg before he could launch the attack on the french church. the one in april and august on the train, yeah, there was a perfect man aest ee/ arrested. the guy not arrested is the same guy. this guy. 27-years-old, belgium born and raised. now believed to be in syria. they did not beaver he was physically present for those attacks. they don't think he personally carried them out. they believe he was linked, maybe running both of those attacks from abroad.
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we know who this guy is. whether or not you will recognize his name, you know him in context. because of something that happened after the "charlie hebdo" attacks. it's hard to believe the "charlie hebdo" attacks were this year. it seemed so long ago him they were in january. you might remember one of the things truly terrible and terrorizing about that attack was that it just went on and on and on, for several days. after the initial massacre at the "charlie hebdo" office, then they killed a policeman in the streets and the nrkt day, a random man shot and injured in the street. a police woman was shot and killed in the street. the brothers who carried out the "charlie hebdo" attack were tracked down outside of paris when they robbed a dpoos station. they holed up in an industrial building overnight. when everyone e when those two brothers were killed by police, when they went down guns blazing at that industrial staechlt everybody then it wasn't over, this other man, this third man
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kept up the assault, taking hostages inside that kosher supermarket in paris, shooting and killing four hostages before the police went in and shot him. and then when that was over. ike, is it over? would there be more? were there going to be more attacks after it went on for three or four in there is still going to be more people involved in that lot. were there other accomplices? was that still going on? it turned out in the investigation in the immediate after math they figured out some of the weapons from the "charlie hebdo" and supermarket attacks, some could be traced really quickly to belgium. and in the wake of the "charlie hebdo" attack. there were police raids in france and there were police raids in belgium, searching for everybody who might be connected to those attacks, anybody who might be about to launch a follow on attack and these raids, there are dozens of them.
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they were fayely frenetic. they went on for days and then all of a sudden one week after the assault on the "charlie hebdo" officers, one of those police raids, basically turned into a war. there were a lot of these raids, now went down slightly differently. in only one of them was it a war zone, a fuselage of fun fire basically out of nowhere. >> reporter: this is what it sounded like today. like a war. in the normally quiet belgium city of vervieres. it turned into a prolonged gun battle. it began, authorities say, when the suspects int house opened fire. >> two people were kill, a third one has been arrested. luckily during this intervention, no policeman was harmed. >> reporter: nor any civilians. the suspects were clearly armed and dangerous. in belgium the terror threat were killed.
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police are about to launch a major terrorist attack. they sifted through evidence today and arrested more suspects in a dozen raids. police say they found four assault rifles here, explosives, police uniforms and radios. they have been listening to the command's phone calls and say they would have been the prime target of the planned attack. >> they, meaning police would have been the planned target. >> that rage, which turned into a huge gun battle, that killed two young men, who had opened fire on police, the semi automatic assault rifles. those two young men killed and the third one arrested were apparently a part of a cell that stockpiled not just weapons and am 96, police uniforms and police radios. for what was apparently going to be a fairly large scale, fairly sophisticated attack that would have targeted police in belgium.
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this is the week after the "charlie hebdo" attacks. and in that raid, two men killed, others arrested as a part of that cell. but again, in that instance, there was one man named as a suspect as connected to that cell. of a bill judgment man. although he had been a part of that cell in belgium, he was not there. he got away. we know that, after weeks of that gunfire in that belgium town, within a couple of weeks, the guy who was the named suspect who wasn't found that night. the guy the supposed ring leader of that cell, he turns up in the isis magazine al qaeda has a magazine, isis has a magazine. he turned up february of this year doing an interview with isis about being an isis fighter, what it was like to run a floor cell and how much he wanted to hit you're. how jealous he was of his come
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patriots who died in belgium a week after the "charlie hebdo" attack. all the same guy. thealed ring leader of the belgium terrorist cell that planned a follow-on attack in belgium a week after the "charlie hebdo" attack. he escaped the hail of gunfire, police raid in january. in february, he turns up talking about it all in the isis magazine. in april the same guy a named suspect as the brains behind the world's stupidest terrorists who called 911 on himself after shooting himself accidentally before he ever made it to the church he wanted to attack in april. in august the guy is the same suspect in the guns and knives high spreed e speed train attract thwarted by the three brave american heroes. january, february, april, august. and now in november, french police told the associated press in the "new york times," that
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that same guy, same guy is believed to be the mastermind of friday nights troex that claimed 129 lives. one guy. linked to all of those incidents, all in the space of less than a year. if that bears out. if that proves to be true, would that be a good sign or a bad sign that the person who directed this cell of attackers in paris, someone who is that much on the radar of the intelligence agencies, is that good because western intelligence agencies apparently have their finger on the pulse and they know who the important bad guys are? or ask that terrible? because even somebody that high profile is still this operational. somebody whose picture i can show you in part, i got it in a magazine. somebody i can show you video of, isis uses him in propaganda videos talking about how excited he is to be dragging bodies around on rope in his vehicle, which i could show you, but i will not.
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there is a lot of really pressing questions right now. why's the bomb-making factory that made all those suicide vests? who is the bomb maker. >> is there an eighth attacker ore multiple accomplices on the large or on the run? will these raids in belgium find any out standing accomplices? will they provide new evidence about this attack? how is politics going down in france, specifically, in europe and here and we're going to get to all of those questions tonight. but, on this specific point, if niece reports are true about the alleged mastermind of the paris attacks, then these guys are getting better at this, because hammond abdelhamid abaaoud has been pinging on intelligence radar all year long, this 27-year-old belgium guy turnings up a lot in the news and in police reports as a named
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suspect and in terrorist propaganda. all year long, he's been like a sunrise on the radar. all year long, while he has not been caught. and while his stupid and failed plottings from earlier in the year graduated and escalated to the successful complicated toll that unleashed a river of blood and pain in paris on friday night. same guy all those attacks. and i get the difficulty of finding an anonymous nobody that aligns themselves with extremism. it is harder to get, the inability to find and fix and finish someone who makes himself this invisible. this connected. this famous. this known. >> that i do not get.
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i u.p.s. you have been reporting on who the attackers are, what do you know about them? >> reporter: rachel, you were talking about mastermind. who the muscle used in this attack. the people that did the killing are home grown. >> that lid led to a town about 50 kilometers outside of paris. >> that is where one of the key suspect, the key people named in this assault omaris male mostefai. he was identified and associated with a radical at a nearby mosque t. mayor told us mostefai was radicalized slowly. he then suddenly left town in 2012. but when we went to the mosque, this place where he supposedly met people who brought him down his path of radicalization. the director of the mosque told us, he didn't know anything about mostefai.
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he was quite well known in town. he wasn't hiding. he had a kribl record and he was a devout muslim. you see him here in this youtube rap video. investigators who had been looking at this very closely over the last several days, obviously, know a deal more about mostefai more about the other attackers, in fact. in 2007, he started spending more time with islam radicals, then in 2013 nbc news learned he traveled to turkey but he never legally left turkey, which strongly suggests he slipped then into syria and somehow managed to get back into france to carry out the attack. as for the others connected to
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friday's attack, there is sammy amimour, believed to be another of the alleged rock concert shooters. he has been wanted for terrorism since 2013. bilal hafdi, ibrahim abdeslam. he is connected to the man who may be the most wanted man in europe tonight, his brother salah. he is the one everyone is looking for. he rented a car the killers used to drive into paris and he drove back to belgium. but he was stopped at the border by french police. they checked him. police looked atle. but they let him go. he moved on into belgium and disappeared.n he is a big manhunt is under way for the man what happens you are looking at right now. police are hunting for salah. they tell people not to approach
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him, describing him as dangerous. another bomber, another of the attackers mohammed was questioned, released, the brother of that man. he was questioned by authorities but then they decided after raiding his home, he was not material collected and he was let go and he gave a brief statement to the press. statement to the press. and while all of this information is coming in, one of the things that is causing most concern here in paris of the attackers did, in fact, hide among the refugees for flooding into europe by the thousands every day. it is believed someone carrying a passport with the name akmed al mole led into the greek island in early october in the dpreek island of laros. he came here. >> on that last point, do we know that passport was a genuine passport, we know this guy is syrian. i understand they used his
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fingerprints to track him as a person through that transit point in greece. is as a syrian that is his passport? >> reporter: it's really important to drill down on this. this has become such an explosive issue in this country and around the world. >> yeah. >> reporter: are the syrianings, the terrorists using the migrant trail, are they going to destroy the world under the name of humanitarian relief? what we do know, however, a fingerprint found here, found from an attacker was the same fingerprint that greek authorities registered on the migrant trail and it was the fingerprint that we assume is associated with this passport. so even without the passport, we know from the fingerprint that the person was in greece and the person was here. and it is assumed he used that passport. so we don't know if he's syrian.
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we assume the passport is fake because the number the sequence of the numbers described is inconsistent with real passports. but, unfortunately, why, because of that fingerprint match on the ray tacker and the match registered in greece, one of these, at least, did hide among the migrant trail. >> that is very serious consequences. >> we will be talking about those consequences, political consequences in europe, the political consequences in the united states. ahead, right after this. richard, our coverage continues. we'll be right back. >>. >> they are, of course in, psychopathic monsters. there is nothing, nothing civilized among them. this is not one civiliation pitted against another. this is a battle between civilization, itself, and barberism between civilvation and evil and modern fascism. both at the same time.
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>> over the weekend, conservative politicians were trying to outdo each other and said syrian refugees should not be allowed into this country. tonight republican senator ted cruz of texas appears to be winning that ralsz. senator cruz now says he will introduce a bill to the u.s. senate na will not ban syrian refugees coming to the upg, he would specifically ban syrian muslim refugees from coming to the using, presumably ted cruz has invented a magic litmus
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paper that derives a person's religion on their forehead. lately, he seems for more interested in becoming president. he is aing thating this anti-muslim wave on the right. hold that thought.
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secretary kerry in paris, he's going back to the embassy and he noted he will come back to paris in the future with president obama. we are going to return you now to the rachel maddow show. i'm alex witt. as for the explosive, they used tatp. it's made with essentially odd combinations of odd concentrations of regular household products. and it's a known killer, tatp has been used in fatal terrorists attacks before, and while tatp is not the most difficult explosive to get your hands on, you have to know what you are doing. it's easy to blow yourself up
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accidentally while making tatp. it's volatile, too much heat can cause accidental detonation, but the other thing that can go wrong is it can be a dud. just two weeks after the 77 bombings in london, several tatp bombs failed to detonate, the shoe bomber and underwear bomber, both of them tried and failed to bring down airliners with tatp bombs, and they did what they were supposed to do but the bombs didn't work. so it's not easy to make a bomb out of this stuff and it's very easy for something to go wrong if somebody is trying to make a bomb out of this stuff, and knowing that, well, in paris on friday, the attackers had seven vests made with the explosive, and one of the attackers did not detonate the vest and as far as we know that's because he was
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shot and killed before he could do so, and we know of nobody accidentally blown up in the leadup to friday's events, and none of them were duds as far as we could tell. seven vests, identical, and they worked. doesn't it mean there's an active quality bomb-making factory with access to belgium and france. how do you find something like that if you know it exists and is that something law enforcement agencies did not expect. >> i literally keep his book, the terrorists recognition handbook next to my book at work, and his forthcoming book is "defeating isis." thank you for being here. >> always my pleasure. >> you knows these things and i do not.
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explaining the bomb-making, is that correct. >> yes. >> it does mean you are good at it, right? >> yeah, this is utterly amazing, and the very instant i heard the general council in paris describe the actual components of the vest immediately my mind went back to a vest i had seen and it was built in iraq in 2004. these vests are not easy to manufacture. if you have ready-made plastic explosives, yes, they are very easy to manufacture, and if you have to create batches of your own homemade explosive, as you said they are highly volatile and could explode in an instant, so somebody very skilled at this, and actually tested it and maybe blew up a tree stump or
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can and managed to create such consistency and used high quality detonators and they worked precisely as planned. >> richard, do you want to jump in here? >> i do, although i am not as qualified, i don't carry his book with me all the time. if you could answer one question, how long would it take to organize an attack like this, to get the vests ready and get the weapons to stage it, because there's a question of timing here. are we talking weeks, months? >> this is a matter of months. it depends on the group's priorities. if the group wants to dedicate a lot of resource or manpower or shake up their logistics chain, but what you find is you tip yourself off to intelligence and you don't want to tip yourself off to intelligence so you do a
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slow methodical systematical approach, and they instruct how to wear and use and they will practice over time a series of dry runs and watch out for counter intelligence, and if all goes well according to plan, they make their mission. >> what about mental preparation? as rachel mentioned, i can't remember the last time you had seven people go in with vests on prepared to blow themselves up, and nobody backed out and nobody chickened out. what kind of psychological preparation do you need for that kind of attack? >> well, for this group you don't need any psychological preparation. the very fact you are involved in isis or an al qaeda-backed group tells me you are already
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indoctrinated into this ideology. this is a badge of honor amongst them. those that don't die in the attacks are derided. you saw it in london and the madrid subway bombings, and 9/11, committed and happy to die but happy to die because that ideology is such a twisted corruption they believe they are going to heaven when in fact every tenant of islam says they are going somewhere else. >> is there any way that that is that a good forensic lead the way they put them together? are they generic enough that knowing what we know about the vests doesn't necessarily tell us where they came from or can this be a good forensic start to
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finding them? >> it's going to be a brilliant start, and it's not like in the movies, there's a twisted wire and the bomb guy does it that way all the time, but, no, they will rebuild that bomb to the exact formula and analyze it down to the level of consistency as it exist at the time of the attack and then they will cross-reference that with every piece of material that ever has been taken from any terrorists safe house anywhere. we are very, very good at that. this is going to bring us to the bomb master or training camp where this was found. every time there's a suicide attack anywhere in the world, against our allies, we analyze those bombs. we have an entire joint ied directly whose sole function is to analyze attacks and we can isolate it down to the training facility so we can bomb it
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ourselves. >> thank you so that for joining us tonight. if and when they do find this bomb-making factory that we know has to be in driving distance of at least brussels, if not paris, we will be calling you back to explain what they have found means. thank you. >> my pleasure. much more ahead tonight from here no new york and paris, and we'll be right back.
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this is a fingerprint record. this is not the fingerprint record of somebody that has been arrested and booked but an immigration fingerprint record and this is a man that went through greece last month or an island off of greece and the same weekends this past weekend turned up here.
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french officials found the body of the suicide attacker outside the stadium after he blew himself with a suicide vest, they found parts of him and a fake passport. that development, that development that one of the paris attackers entered europe as a migrant and that today has consumed all of the political oxygen in the united states as how we should respond. today 19 u.s. governors and counting came out to say their states will not accept any refugees fleeing the civil war in syria because of what happened in paris, their doors are now closed to any refugees and it's not clear they have the
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legal authority to do that but they are doing that anyway, and it was pretty uniformly republican governors that came out today to shut the door on refuge refugees, and the exception is in new hampshire. the u.s. government has only agreed to take in a total of 10,000 refugees and that's a fraction of those leaving that country and a smaller portion that many of our allies, including western europe, and all of these states said, no, no, you are not coming here. you have cut with the refugee tide closer than anybody. how do you understand this, all of these other countries are taking in more refugees than the u.s. is anyway? >> you mentioned the u.s. government has agreed to take in
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10,000 syrian refugees and that's a tiny fraction of what other countries around the world is taking, and there's a huge difference of how the refugees are being processed in europe compared to the united states. when we were in greece last week watching thousands and thousands of syrian and other refugees come ashore, most of those refugees were arriving in europe were effectively going unscreened and they were just arriving in those rubber rafts crashing on the shores and climbing on to dry land. the ones who are going to the united states, the refugees who are going to be accepted, they will go through a much more elaborate screening process, and they will be filtered. there is an enter agency review that requires checks by homeland security, and the national
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counterterrorism screening center and the fbi screening center ask their names are cross-checked by a massive databa database. the process set up to handle the r refugees in the united states is different than the disorganized and chaotic and completely organic process where it's appearing in greece where people are showing up and climbing on to shore and trying to get to safety. >> with the political storm now in the united states, the allegation is being made the screening process that syrian refugees have to go through in order to get into the country, it's not reassuring enough there's no screening on earth that would be tight enough to justify letting people in, and that's what you are hearing from the governors today, and what is the screening process, it sounds rigorous to the point of being exclusive?
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>> i have spoken to counterterrorism officials here and they think it's very unlikely that a known militant would be able to get into the screening process, would at an airport, would come in through a, on a cruise ship. they think more likely if isis is going to reach out in the united states, it would be someone who is self-recruited, recruited online. or perhaps a militant who came across the land border with canada. it's a very long border. very hard to control. they think those are more likely scenarios than the 10,000 refugees who are being screened and rescreened and rescreened and coming through a formal process. >> exactly. right, fascinating. thank you, richard, i should note that on the other side of those republican governors who slammed the door on syrian refugees today, at least six democratic governors came out to say that refugees fleeing the violence in syria are still welcome in their states. so that's six against 19.
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that's the totally symbol ig politics on this matter today in the united states. we'll be right back.
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>> republican presidential candidates spent today proposing varieties of american ground war in syria as the appropriate u.s. response to isis attacking paris. the leading lights of the democratic party in foreign policy are proposing something quite different from that. that's ahead. a truly useful partisan divide for once. stay with us. does your makeup remover every kiss-proof,ff? cry-proof, stay-proof look? neutrogena® makeup remover does. it erases 99% of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette. need any more proof than that? neutrogena.
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>> 72% of americans think the fight against isis is going badly. won't the legacy of this administration, which you are a part of, won't that legacy be that it underestimated the threat from isis? >> well, john, i think that we have to look at isis as the leading threat of an international terror network. it cannot be contained. it must be defeated. but it cannot be an american fight. and i think what the president has consistently said, which i agree with, is that we will support those who take the fight to isis. >> isis and foreign policy pushed to the forefront of saturday's democratic debate in iowa. nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel is in paris and joining us from d.c. is senator chris murphy of connecticut, a member of the foreign relations committee. senator, really appreciate you being with us tonight. you get both me tonight and richard engel in paris. richard?
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>> well, senator, let me just come out and ask you very directly. there has just been a horrific attack where i am in paris. what should the united states do? >> well, i think there are two paths forward for the united states. one is to enlist our partners in europe who now may as a consequence of this attack take the isis threat more seriously in a sustained, now multilateral, effort to keep isis on its heels militarily. primarily means u.s. air assets now possibly along with greater assets from europe attacking isis from the air. while we seek to stand up units on the ground that can, as we did last week in sinjar, start to push back this feeling of inevitability that has surrounded this supposed caliphate. remember the amount of territory that isis holds actually has decreased by about 25% since last summer. but the second thing we need to do is to avoid making mistakes
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that would actually swell the ranks of those that are signing up to fight the west. signing up to join isis. and that's why shutting down our borders and essentially creating this impression of a war of civilizations or putting u.s. troops on the ground as targets for isis would, in fact, feed this narrative of a caliphate expanding to fight the west. so it's continuing to put pressure on isis, primarily through air assets, and it's avoiding trying to create are you krutment bulletin board material for the folks that are trying to sign people up against us. >> senator, when you talk about the -- >> it sounds like -- >> go ahead, richard. i'm sorry. >> go ahead, rachel. >> we'll sort this out with a coin toss later. senator, let me say when you mention the amount of territory under isis control shrinking in recent months, is that something that you attribute to the u.s.-led air campaign? i mean, a lot of people look at
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7,000 airstrikes and they think, well, what has that gotten us? as best as we can tell isis is just expanding their international propaganda game and their recruiting. do you feel like the airstrikes have actually done some good? >> so, i think the airstrikes have kept them on their heels. i think what has helped, particularly inside iraq, is that the iraqi military and kurdish peshmerga are picking up capacity. so that has led to some progress internally. again, it's important that this impression that the caliphate is just inexorably expanding is ended, and i think we are making progress along those -- along that road. my fear is that we are going to take steps over the course of the next several weeks or months that is simply going to feed into the story line that will allow them to build their ranks internally in the region and externally, if you certain listen to a lot of republican candidates and republicans in congress, it would lead you to believe that that's the road
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that we're headed down. >> senator, i was struck by one thing, by the president's tone when he addressed that conference in ankara today. he seemed testy. he seemed like he was trying to fight off a war that maybe he feels is being imposed upon him, being forced upon him. is that the way you saw it? >> well, i think there's this sense of american hubris that still remains from the iraq war. this idea that the american military can solve the problem of isis. what the american military can do is keep isis on their heels. but ultimately, as secretary clinton said in the debate this weekend, this is a decision that has to be made by sunni and shia on the ground in the region, as to whether they are going to reconcile. we can't end isis in iraq so long as the iraqi military is 95% shia. so long as those in ramadi are uncomfortable living under a
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shia regime because they don't think that their rights are going to be respected. so i think the president is rightly frustrated at people who believe that america and america alone can effectively solve this problem. and we let our partners off the hook in the region when we create that impression. so there is an american component. there is a military component. but ultimately isis has grown in the region, not because of a military vacuum but because of a political vacuum, because of the marginalization of sunnis, the the actions of bashar al assad, and the united states has to play a role here, but it is limited. i think the president rightly is frustrated that a lot of people who just crow about the lack of american leadersp don't actually present any credible alternatives to what he's doing. republicans actually haven't put on the table any real substantive comprehensive or comprehensible alternative because in the end they really don't have one. ultimately this is a decision that has to be made by the populations on the ground as to whether they are going to reject
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this radical version of islam. >> senator chris murphy of connecticut. thank you very much for your time, sir. it's good to have you here. senator murphy one of the leading lights in democratic foreign policy now and for the foreseeable future. i'll be right back with richard engel in paris.
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richard engel, we are a few hours away from dawn in paris. what do you expect in the day ahead in terms of the investigation and the reaction to these attacks. >> i think the investigation is ongoing. there's going to be more raids. but already here in france there is a sense of what happened. the french president described it as an attack that was far up in syria. it was organized in belgium. it was executed here in france. and this horrific combination of extremists who are homegrown, reaching out across into a war zone and getting combat training
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there, that is a terrible combination. i don't think we've seen the last of it. >> richard engel. it's been a real privilege to join with you tonight. thank you for being here for this hour. it's been great to have you here, my friend. "first look" is up next. it's tuesday, november 17th. and right now on "first look," breaking news. the kremlin confirms 224 people were killed by a homemade explosive device, which destroyed the russian metro jet airliner. the city of lights in recovery mode. the french president meeting with secretary kerry, who refers to isis as psycho pathic monsters. all while president obama meets with asia pacific leaders about fighting terrorists who are now threatening america directly. >> i don't want to make everybody nervous, but i feel the same way i felt before 9/11. that something very -- very well could happen here. >> and just how the terrori


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