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there, that is a terrible combination. i don't think we've seen the last of it. >> richard engel. it's been a real privilege to join with you tonight. thank you for being here for this hour. it's been great to have you here, my friend. "first look" is up next. it's tuesday, november 17th. and right now on "first look," breaking news. the kremlin confirms 224 people were killed by a homemade explosive device, which destroyed the russian metro jet airliner. the city of lights in recovery mode. the french president meeting with secretary kerry, who refers to isis as psycho pathic monsters. all while president obama meets with asia pacific leaders about fighting terrorists who are now threatening america directly. >> i don't want to make everybody nervous, but i feel the same way i felt before 9/11. that something very -- very well could happen here. >> and just how the terrorists are communicating with one
another shows they may be one step ahead of law enforcement. "first look" starts right now. good morning, everybody, thanks for being with us, i'm shannon mulaire. we begin with breaking news. russia has announced that traces of explosives have been found in the debris of the downed metrojet plane that crashed in egypt earlier this month. a top russian oicial says that a bomb equivalent to 2.2 pounds of tnt exploded on board the aircraft. russia is offering a $50 million reward for information on who brought down the jet. russian president vladimir putin says they will hunt the perpetrators, and punish those responsible. 224 people died in the crash. president obama is in manila right now for the apec summit, talking trade, but also ways to coordinate with china and others against isis. this comes on the heels of the g-20 summit in turkey, which was dominated by excuses about isis. and the paris terror attacks.
the president spoke yesterday backing up his plan to defeat isis. >> we have always understood that this would be a long-term campaign. there will be setbacks, and there will be successes. the terrible events in paris were obviously a terrible and sickening setback. even as we grieve with our french friends, however, we can't lose sight that there has been progress being made. >> isis also released a new propaganda video threatening a paris-style attack on the united states. that video has yet to be authenticated. the manhunt is still ongoing for the eighth suspected member of the paris attack group, salah abdeslam who may have fled to belgium. and a leading belgian jihadist has reportedly been named as the use expected mastermind behind last friday's attack. meanwhile in paris there are signs of healing. yesterday the eiffel tower reopened and was lit in the
colors of the french flag. paris' motto, meaning tossed by the waves but not sunk, was projected onto the tower. nbc's kelly cobiella joins us now from paris with the latest. good morning, kelly. >> good morning, shannon. secretary of state john kerry has just wrapped up a meeting with french president francois hollande. mr. kerry speaking briefly afterward, promising to support hollande, and people of france in their fight against the islamic state, without going into specifics about what that means. hollande speaking to the parliament yesterday called on coalition partners, called on the u.s., and russia, to form a global coalition in the fight against the islamic state. mean time, overnight, more airstrikes on raqqah. ten french warplanes hitting a command center, and a recruitment center in syria. also, more raids overnight by french police here in france. across the country, 128 more
raids, more guns seized. that brings a total of nearly 300 raids since saturday. also, more arrests, just in the past few minutes, belgian authorities have said they have made two more arrests in connection with the attacks in paris. both men are not believed to have been directly involved. may have been involved in some sort of planning. finally, it's back to work on the second day for people here in paris, still a day of mourning, with flags flying at half staff, 109 victims have now been identified. but 20 families are still waiting for official word. shannon? >> all right, kelly, thank you for that update. and as international powers map out a strategy halfway around the world, there are new worries here at home. a new propaganda video that directly threatens an attack on washington, d.c. but there's no change of course for president obama. nbc's andrea mitchell reports.
>> reporter: new isis video says america is next. the terrorist says, as we struck france in the center of paris, we swear we will strike america at its center in washington. is the threat real or propaganda? a carrier group leaving virginia for the mediterranean. a planned mission now focusing on isis. the u.s. is stepping up airstrikes in syria. but even now, with isis proving it can strike terror in the heart of europe, president obama sounding defensive, sticking to his game plan. >> the terrible events in paris were obviously a terrible and sickening setback. even as we grieve with our french friends, however, we can't lose sight that there has been progress being made. >> reporter: firing back at critics -- >> the strategy that we are putting forward is the strategy that ultimately is going to work. >> reporter: the u.s. has begun sharing more intelligence with the french, who are so on edge, a false alarm two days later caused panic.
>> what's happening? with a weapon? down here? >> go, go! >> reporter: an isis capability u.s. intelligence never predicted. >> i certainly would not consider it a one-off event. it is clear to me that isil has an external agenda that they are determined to carry out these types of attacks. and so i would anticipate that this is not the only operation that isil has in the pipeline. >> i don't want to make everybody nervous, but i feel the same way i felt before 9/11. that something very will -- very well could happen here. >> reporter: so how to stop isis? experts say more air power. more effective naval power. and several thousand special forces, not just 50. and diplomacy. even this weekend with vladimir putin. and better intelligence. figuring out whether isis can really do to washington, what it did to paris. >> and that was nbc's andrea mitchell reporting.
american officials say the strongest defense against an isis attack in the u.s. is good intelligence. but the fbi says it's getting harder to monitor terrorism suspects. a problem the fbi director calls going dark. nbc justice correspondent pete williams explains. >> reporter: though u.s. intelligence officials say they don't yet know how the plotters kept in touch, one senior official says he'd be shocked if they didn't use some method of communication that the police cannot monitor. counterterrorism officials tell nbc news that isis has recently been running a 24-hour help desk. manned by half a dozen senior operatives. they can tell would-be jihadists worldwide how to use popularly available encryption software such as what's app and telegram. investigators say when isis recruiters find someone sympathetic through twitter the conversations are shifted to those applications which encrypt a message at the moment it's sent and don't unscramble it until it's received.
impossible for the government to monitor, even with a court order. these applications can also be set to delete a message soon after it's sent. i've set this one to delete it after four seconds. i'm sending it to my colleague, lauren. it's received, and four, three, two, one. it's gone. forever. european officials warn before the paris attack, about another way to elude surveillance, they say even gaming consoles like sony's hugely popular playstation 4 with its internet group play capability can be used to send voice and text messages, hard for the government to keep track of. >> i heard that the most difficult communication between these terrorists is the playstation 4, is very, very difficult for our services. >> reporter: the problem, the online groups come and go so quickly. one cyber expert calls it security by obscurity. pete williams, nbc news, washington. all right. we're joined now by medal of honor recipient and msnbc military analyst colonel jack jacobs. good morning, colonel, thank you for being with us.
>> good morning. >> so with these late-breaking details we're hearing that russia is now confirming traces of explosives were found on that downed russian metrojet airliner, is this the push that vladimir putin needed to act? >> yeah, perhaps so. you know, they've been attacking the enemies of assad, but not isis. very few of the airstrikes have been directed at isis. we're the ones going after them in syria. this may change his mind a bit. and it also may change his and our minds about working together. you know, at the end of the day, what's really important as you said earlier, is intelligence. and if we can start sharing information, and produce intelligence that both of us can use, we'll be able to make some inroads against isis. we have good intelligence, particularly technologically driven, from satellites and so on. the russians have people on the ground, and can have confirming
human intelligence, putting those two together may be a formidable weapon. >> let me ask you then about the report that pete williams just gave us, because he's talking about these apps and these different programs where they can essentially communicate and then it disappears. how concerned are you about the communication that terrorists are making with those types of apps? >> well, it is very concerning. you know, in the past, and up till now, a lot of the information we've received is by monitoring transmissions. either voice transmissions on cell phones, various text messages, e-mails, and so on. if it becomes difficult or impossible to monitor these, it's going to put a much bigger premium on other forms of intelligence. particularly human intelligence. and that requires people on the ground. we're reluctant to put a lot more people on the ground. but that may change. the only way we're going to get information is to infiltrate groups, to get close to
organizations, that are working with isis, isis itself. we're going to have to shift away, perhaps, from electronic means, to human means, to gather information. >> well that brings us to the president. because at this point he says he doesn't want to change his course. is that part of his course at this point? and do you think that that's a popular decision? because it doesn't seem that he wants to adjust, given what happened in paris. >> well, he's in a political pickle. i mean, he came to office pledging to withdraw. he had a program for withdrawing. he did get out. he had to reverse it a little bit recently. but, there are not a lot of americans in syria, not a lot of americans fighting isis, and very, very few on the ground. and what difference does it make if you increase the number from 50 to 100. or even 500. at the end of the day, if you decided you want to eliminate isis, it's going to require a lot more people than the president, the congress, and
probably the american people, are willing to commit. >> certainly a fluid situation. colonel jack jacobs, thank you for your insight this morning. we appreciate it. >> you're welcome. switching gears now, nbc meteorologist bill karins is here and we have some severe weather in the forecast. incredible for november. >> and some nasty stuff going through right now, even the dallas-ft. worth area. we'll start with what happened yesterday. a rare november tornado outbreak. this was a pretty big one by november standards. 40 tornadoes reported, some of those were the same ones and a few of these were huge, big tornadoes, one was reported a mile wide. thankfully rural sections, building and constructions sites damaged but we didn't have any injuries or fatalities. as far as right now the line of thunderstorms going through the dallas area. we are under severe thunderstorm warning right now in the dallas area. just to the north of dallas, there is one tornado warning. i have not heart of any reports of any tornadoes on the ground. but if you're in the dallas area, let this line of storms go on through. give it about another hour or so and it should be on its way out. here's that line of storms. it's heading through the tulsa area, also, mcallister you got
about a half hour to 45 minutes to go through you and there's the line of storms down towards sherman. the other portion of this storm, the cold side, is producing a blizzard right now in the denver area. i do believe we have some pictures. winds right now, 30 to 35 miles per hour. temperatures right around 30 degrees. you notice the roads don't look too bad. but we are seeing about six to eight inches of snow especially to the south and the southeast side of town. light snow in denver. the worst of it will be on 76 and 70 if you're driving towards eastern portions of colorado. so later on today, we're going to do this all over again. that line of storms will weaken eventually today, regenerate, enhanced risk of severe storms. about 18 million people at risk of severe weather. there is a possibility of a few tornadoes, too. greatest risk is from little rock southwards to alexandra and later on tonight into mississippi. we got a blizzard going on, a lot of tornados last night and if you're in the dallas area, give it a half hour before you head outside. >> bill, thank you. straight ahead the paris impact on wall street and the economy. plus, playing politics with
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gop presidential hopefuls are lining up to bash president obama's ongoing strategy against isis. some are calling for expanded military involvement. perhaps a deeper divide this morning. most republican candidates are demanding the u.s. refuse the 10,000 syrian refugees due in the u.s. next year. senator marco rubio spoke with nbc's hallie jackson. >> is the u.s. turning its back on people who are suffering the most? >> well, that's not certainly what we would like to see. i think the most important thing we can do for people that are suffering the most is bring isis to an end. but our number one obligation is to keep our people safe. there's nothing compassionate about not being -- not keeping our nation safe. >> all three of the current governors in the 2016 race oppose welcoming refugees. new jersey governor chris christie is even saying no to orphans under the age of 5
because he racks confidence in the administration's vetting ability. the other two governors, ohio's john kasich, and louisiana's bobby jindal, are part of a growing list of governors refusing to accept refugees from syria in their states. that list now at at least 18 governors, all but one of them republican, although there are questions about whether that refusal is even legal. all right. let's welcome now political analyst and best-selling author ellis henican. good morning you to, ellis. >> good morning, shannon. nice to see you. >> nice to see you, too. so a lot of questions about whether this is even legal in the first place. but you have, you know, somewhere 18 to 25 different governors saying they don't even want this going on in their state. are you surprised by this? >> no. because it's simple. there's nothing easier than slamming the door shut, right? trying to solve isis, my god, that's complicated. that's going to take allies and diplomacy and military efforts and still no one knows it's going to work. but looking at saying, hey, you refugees get out of here, we don't want you, even you terrorist toddlers, hey, how hard is that? >> all right.
but if it's a federal issue and not even a state by state thing, why bother to say that in the first place if you don't have the power to do it? >> you put your finger on it initially, it's politics. it's a slogan. they have no legal power. this is the federal responsibility, immigration law. but, governors are allowed to say it. >> that brings us to the candidates, because, of course, you have all of the different candidates here taking their different positions. so the first question is, do you really care what the candidates think about this at this point? >> well, i do. and i think a lot of folks do. one of these guys can well be the president, and it sure is good to know what it is they might do once they get there. so, yeah, it's a lot of pandering. but i think it's kind of interesting. >> all right, so how do you walk that fine line of it looks kind of icky, to use a very technical term. >> it's icky. >> and really telling people what you would actually do if you were elected president. >> you know what i wish we had? candidates out there saying okay, this is clearly a big problem. the world is changing. it's a threat we've never really had to deal with before, so what are we going to do? give me some solutions.
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>> the entertainment industry continues to mourn the victims of friday's attacks in paris. stephen colbert honored the city last night. the late show's traditional open which shows new york was replaced, instead, with one of paris. it followed the show's band performing the french national anthem. jimmy fallon also paid tribute to the people of paris on "the tonight show." >> i've been watching the news all weekend, and they are doing it. they're living their life without fear. showing us that the best way to mourn the dead is to live it. >> bono spoke with irish radio station rte-2 fm after you2 decided to postpone saturday's show in paris in light of the attack. >> the majority of victims last night are music fans. this is the first direct hit on music that we've had in this so-called, you know, war on terror. >> just powerful. you realize it touches
everybody. >> and the reaction of the music world will be very interesting to see what they do. we still have 300 people that are injured and need a lot of people. >> you got it. all right, everyone, i'm shannon mull our. this is "first look" on msnbc. don't forget to like us on facebook, have a great day, everybody, "way too early" starts now. new developments in the wake of the attacks in paris. the search for suspects ramps up. france launches a new round of airstrikes on isis headquarters in syria. right now, secretary of state john kerry is in france to discuss the next moves. as one thing we do know, there will be no more american boots on the ground, at least for now. it's 5:30 on the east coast, 2:30 out west, 11:30 in paris, this is "way too early." it's tuesday, november 17th, i'm -- ♪ good morning. it's tuesday, november 17th, i'm
chris jansing, reporting live from paris. and we will have the latest from here in france in just a moment. but first there's breaking news on the crash of that russian passenger jet in egypt. officials in moscow now say it was definitely a terrorist attack, after finding traces of explosives in the plane debris. for more, let's bring in nbc's ron mott from london. ron, what else are you hearing? >> hi, chris, good morning. it was a bomb. that's what russian president vladimir putin told -- was told today rather that brought down that passenger plane over egypt's sinai peninsula killing all 224 people aboard. also nbc news has learned that egyptian authorities have detained and are questioning two employees who work at the airport in sharm el sheikh where the plane took off before vanishing from radar and crashing. president putin promised to go after those responsible and said, quote, we will search for them everywhere, wherever they are hiding, we will find them in any spot on the planet and punish them. russia is offering a $50 million reward and putin said he would increase airstrikes on targets in