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>> thank you very much. thanks, chris. it is wonderful to be here. thank you all at home for joining us. i'm richard engel reporting from paris. rachel has the night off and will be back tomorrow. it is now just after 3:00 a.m. here in paris. details continue to emerge at this hour about the attackers who rampaged through the city five days ago, are who they were, where they were hiding out, even how many may still be on the run tonight. so that is one part of the story we'll be addressing, the ongoing investigation who carried out this attack and how, but also, the worldwide retaliation against isis. tonight, russia has stepped up its assault on the group intensifying its military air campaign against targets in syria, specifically targeting the group's defacto capital, the city of raqqa. russian president vladimir putin delivered what he called you. issuement to isis today after russian officials confirmed what others have been saying now for weeks.
that a bomb did in fact bring down a russian commercial airliner over egypt's sinai peninsula late last month. we know it was a small bomb, just two pounds and homemade. but nonetheless deadly. we'll have much more on that part of the story tonight about whether the attack in egypt and the one here in paris will finally lead to a coordinated effort against isis. but first, to the attack here in paris. it was just five days ago when suicide bombers detonated their vests outside a football stadium in the city. tonight, another football stadium more than 200 miles away in england. 80,000 fans took part in a remarkable show of defiance at tonight's friendly match between france and england before kickoff, english fans formed a giant tricolor mosaic in the stands in tribute to the people of france and then both teams and 80,000 people inside joined together to sing the french national anthem.
♪ >> and what makes this scene so remarkable and all the more defiant is that those tens of thousands of people crowded into that stadium soon after learning of another threat playing out at a german football stadium. thousands of fans were forced to evacuate a game in hanover, germany after authorities were informed of a concrete threat to bomb the game. a game that german chancellor angela merkel was expected to attend. so far at least, police have found no evidence of a planned attack. back here in paris, the stadium attack in can this city is getting much more attention tonight as french police have learned and issued an international appeal to help identify one of the suicide
bombers who blew himself up outside the staud de france on friday. it is now believed that the syrian passport recovered by the attacker's body was either fake or stolen and so the true identity of that attacker remains a mystery tonight. additionally french authorities are trying to learn more about another man on the hunt for a second fugitive still believed to be on the loose tonight. just in at last few hours, we've gotten more details how that attacker may be involved. the "associated press" has reportedly obtained surveillance video of one of the shootings at a cave fay on friday night. it shows a team of three attackers at the site, two black clad gunmen firing automatic weapons at the bar and then returning to a car where a waiting driver was inside. previously french officials did not specify how many people were involved in this particular attack. but evidence is leading french officials to believe that there is an additional assailant still
on the loose tonight. we're also learning more about the attacker's whereabouts in the hours before they launched their attack on paris. it's believed that they used a pair of hotel rooxs just outside of paris. in one of the rooms, there were oddly discarded syringes and plastic tubing. it's still unclear at this point why the attackers left them there, what they were used for. empty pizza boxes were also scattered throughout the room. there is some new information tonight about why this group may have chosen the bataclan music hall as a site for friday's massacre. it was believed that isis pick this had concert hall you deliberately. it was not just because as american band was playing inside that night. the bataclan was till very recently jewish owned. it had been threatened with violence many times in the past for hosting jewish cultural events. in 2009 before isis even existed, a group of men filmed themselves threatening the owners of the club. you'll pay the consequences one
of the men is heard saying. next time we won't just be here to talk. tonight, authorities remain on the hunt for one fugitive they have named already. a young man salah abdeslam, bell downauthorities who have charged the man say they could be traveling with abdeslam the two men say they picked him up in paris ris on saturday and dropped him off in brussells. they deny any involvement in the attack. the media is reported they were being investigated as possible suppliers of bombs used in the attacks since ammonium nitrate was discovered in the search of their residence. the search for that man is now a second fugitive continues across this is region. joining us now from brussels, belgium is claudio lavanga. >> so claudio, what's the latest on the search? go ahead, claudio. what is the latest on the certainly for the suspects? >> sorry.
there's a bit of an audio delay. the police and intelligence officers around europe are looking for salah abdeslam as you mentioned. they have to start here if they want to get answers. here in brussels because this is where he was born, was raced and he was radicalized as many of the other terrorists involved in this attack and many other attacks in the past. now, this is where president hollande said yesterday that the planned attack was organized. this is where they found the weapons to carry out the attack and where the investigators believe that the vests, explosive vests as you said were fabricated and then given to the terrorists to bringing into france to carry out that particular attack. what we know as you said is that these twos accomplices may have taken salah la back to belgium on saturday. we don't know the. they lost traces of him. they don't whether he's still in brussels or elsewhere in europe.
but certainly what we know is the family of sal la is still here, the mother, father and mohamed one of his brothers. he was arrested, one of the seven people that was arrested since friday here in belgian. he was later released. the police believe he's got nothing to do with the attacks and the brother appeared on french television today making an appeal to his brother. he said turn yourself in. go to the police. well, of course,ing that hasn't happened yet. and, of course, he is still on the run and the police are looking for him everywhere, richard. >> nbc news reporter claudio lavan lavanga, thank you very much. let's bring in valerie garrote for euro news based in france. so there's been some talk about this investigation. police now think they're looking for two active suspects, two people who were directly involved. what more do we know?
we've heard about the first person they issued this apb for the other day. who is the second person? >> well, it's not yet known who is the second person. but the police have confirmed the allegations by witnesses who saw the third man in the car in which salah was riding on friday night and the car used for the attacks. >> the second person was in the car? >> he was in the car. >> they saw video and in the video them see a second person sitting in the driver's seat? the witnesses saw the three people and yes, it has been confirmed there were three people and they're trying to look for dna traces to try and identify that person. they still haven't confirmed who he was. >> you've lived in paris most of your life in, france. you work here. what is this attack doing to this society? how are french people reacting? we've heard about defiance. but in your no, how is the
country holding up? >> obviously, it is a great shock. there was the first very big shock in january but this is unprecedented. this is an attack according to most people i've spoken to which is aimed at not only targeted aims, but it's targeted at france as a whole. it's values, its society, its way of life. this comes as a real shock to the whole of society. >> somebody described it to me like this, that after "charlie hebdo," the attack a year ago, people knew "charlie hebdo" could be attacked. it is had been threatened before. it was so provocative. this time a theater was attacked maybe because it was jewish owned. it was still a theater and it was an attack on the french people. >> it was a theater. it was cafes. it was young people and this also is a big shock to the
society. it's an attack on their future, it's an attack on their innocence or their ideals. and this is probably one of the most shocking things to the french people. >> in small towns, small villages, are people behaving differently? are they more nervous or is this something that france in a few days is going to move on from? >> it might take a little more than a few days. the shock is very big. the fear might not be so strong in the small towns and the villages, but you can feel it here. although yes, people have said we have to stand strong. we have to be united. we must not yield to fear. but you can feel it. today, for instance, this morning, there was a record traffic jam in and around paris as people were commuting to work because they were afraid to take -- to use public transport. and they're saying you know, i
don't want my children to go around to travel on buses and trains too much. people are cab selling trips to other parts of the country. people from other parts of the country are postponing plans to come to paris. >> you mentioned people want france to be strong right now. and the government is responding militarily. we're going to talk more about that later. i know you don't know what he exactly all the french people think, but in your estimation, are people behind those strikes? do they think it's an appropriate response? >> they want a strong response and they are reassured by this stand taken by the government. on the other hand, they do worry about whatevthe what the impact be to their values linked to freedom, to liberty. they're a bit wary about turning
into a society -- it is reassuring to them but on the other hand. >> they don't want to go too far. >> and to see europe go too far, as well. >> thank you for coming in the middle of the night here and sharing all of this with us. we appreciate it. that is valerie gauriat. can you tell me how you pronounce? >> from euro news. thank you for being with us. >> our live coverage from paris continues as the u.s. and france get a mu t new military ally in the fight against isis. stay with us. blches can a business have a mind?
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welcome back. we will have much more of our continuing coverage from here in paris tonight. but first a major political development back in the united states. late tonight, louisiana governor bobby jindalal officially suspended his campaign for president. governor jindal is now the third republican candidate to drop out of the presidential race. following governor scott walker and rick perry.
bobby jindalal put out a statement tonight saying he is not at the time "this is not his time. he key clined to endorse any of the other republicans in that race saying that he will support whoever the republican nominee ends up being. this announcement comes on the heels of his decision yesterday to issue an executive order blocking syrian refugees from coming to louisiana. citing the attacks here in paris. we'll have much more on the situation now facing those syrian refugees coming up. stay tuned. much more ahead tonight from paris. this guy from engineering says
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nearly three weeks after a russian jet crashed over sinai's egypt sinai peninsula killing all 224 people on board. today russia announced it now knows unequivocally what caused the plane to go down. the chief of russia's domestic security agency announced today that shortly after the plane left the popular destination sharm happen el sheikh a two-pound homemade bomb on board exploded causing the plane to disintegrate in mid-air. isis claimed responsibility for the attack and today vladimir putin went on tv and announced that russia would re-retaliate in response to what the kremlin calls a terrorist attack. >> we should know them all by name. we will search for them everywhere wherever they are hiding. we will find them in any spot on the planet and punish them. >> russia began that punishment today by bombing its stronghold in syria, the city of raqqa.
the kremlin also flounced today that russia has agreed to coordinate with france on strikes in syria. france announced today that president hollande is going to moscow next thursday but first he will go to washington to meet with president obama. the white house announced today the two the will consult and coordinate efforts to help france's investigation of the attacks here in paris last week. and discuss further cooperation in the fight against isis. president hollande today called on russia and the united states to unify their efforts against isis. france also sought additional support from its european partners today. for the first time in its history, all 28 member states of the european union agreed to invoke the eu's mutual defense clause, that means the other countries must step up their ha security assistance to france. but when it comes to the task of fighting isis, the syrian city of raqqa is now in the crosshairs of three different air forces, the russians who
speped up their attacks today, the french who sent in ten aircraft to strike training and command center in raqqa today and the u.s. which has been bombing raqqah for months now. last thursday, it was a u.s. and british drone striking that killed jihadi john there. president obama yesterday reiterated the u.s. plan for coalition air strikes while developing reliable "allies on the ground." >> on the military front, we are continuing to accelerate what we do as we find additional partners on the ground that are effective, we work with them more closely. i've already authorized additional special forces on the ground who are going to be able to improve that coordination. >> president obama talked about finding new partners on the ground in syria as the u.s., france and russia step up air strikes in syria, but is it all eb and will it be enough to stop
isis? joining us now is retired u.s. army colonel and medal of honor recipient colonel jack jacobs. it's always a pleasure to talk to you. >> ditto. >> so do you think russia is now bombing raqqa? do you think it's going to make any difference? >> they are bombing and it's not going to make any difference. we were talking in glowing terms about the fact that the french were putting in 20 air strikes. i've been in pire fights in which i've put in 20 air strikes. at the end of the day, as you know, air power, artillery is only good to the extent that it supports troops on ground to seize and hold terrain. if you just bomb them at the end of the day, they're going to come back or somebody will come back. you've got to be able to control the area. that takes a lot of troops and unfortunately a lot of time. i don't see anybody who is very much interested in putting in both the time and the troops in order to take advantage of the air strikes that are going on.
>> so russia now says it will coordinate with france. france says it will reach out to washington. and they all want to coordinate with each other in theory. is it going to happen? >> i think operationally, they're going to be able to coordinate. i think one of the good things that's going to come out of this is the sharing of intelligence information. we've got very good overhead intelligence capability. we've got satellites, aircraft drones and all the rest of that stuff. what we don't have is intelligence from the ground. human intelligence. i think among the three of us, we're going to be able to put together a good intelligence picture develop good targets and act on them. but those are tactics. strategy is something else all together. it's one thing to go ahead and bomb the bad guys but at the end of the day, you really have to be able to control the terrain. don't forget, isis is a terrain-based organization. they want to establish the caliphate and that means they
hold ground. if we want to destroy them, we have to hold the ground. the coalition has to hold the ground. i don't see them doing that. but this is a pretty big coalition. let's keep realistic terps. raqqa is the size of des moines, iowa. it is not a giant place. now if russia and france and the united states are all bombing them, isn't that going to at least do something to slow down this group or do you really need reliable boots on the ground to go and hoist the flagging? >> i think both are true. it's going to slow them down but at the end of the day, you're not going to have -- you're not going to get to the end, the objective is to control that area and not let isis control the area. and that's going to take people. the people who are really interested in what's going on are actually not participating on the ground. >> here's a tough -- here's a tough question for you. i see exactly where you're going. here's the toughest question. everyone says it's just a matter
of time before there's some sort of horrendous isis attack in the united states. so what should we be doing now to prevent that from happening? >> well, i mean, we've got to have great surveillance supervision, oversight inside the united states. we've got to -- i mean, that's going to help. it's not going to prevent anything but make it less likely. we have to really share intelligence with our allies. that means russia. we've got to share intelligence with russia. russia has got to share it with us and iran has to share their intelligence with us. that's a tougher thing to do but that's what it's going to take to prevent or certainly forestall any attacks on the homeland of the united states. >> well, and maybe these atrocities, maybe they will lead to more cooperation. colonel jack, army colonel, medal of honor recipient, as always, thank you very much. >> oh, thank you. joining us now is congressman seth molten of massachusetts, a member of the armed services committee and former marine corps officer who
served four tours in iraq. thank you very much for your time here tonight. >> it's good to be here. >> so you've spent some time four tours in iraq. you were are talking again about an organization, isis that started out by fighting mostly marines in iraq. do marines need to go back and fight this group again? no one seems to have the stomach for that. >> well, look, no one wants to put troops back into the middle east, but i've been clear for some time that will isis is a national security threat to the united states and we need to have a serious long-term and comprehensive strategy to defeat isis. just like the colonel said, this is not just about the tactics, not about just killing the troops on the ground, the isis fighters although that is important dropping bombs and training opposition fighters. we have to have a long-term political solution to occupy occupy these political vacuums into which isis has grown. until we have that piece of the
puzzle, then our efforts on the ground today are only short term and they're not going to solve the problem and they won't ultimately defeat isis. >> so the same question i asked colonel jacobs. people say that an attack in the united states by isis is a matter of time. let's hope that never happens, but what should the u.s. be doing right now to prevent that so that we don't just look back in retrospect and say this administration, these intelligence failures, what should we be doing now? >> of course, we have to make sure that our homeland security is responding to the changes and circumstances and recognizing the threat that isis poses. i think there are a lot of american who's thought we could sort of ignore what's going on in the middle east and in syria. nobody wants to get into another ground war in the middle east and maybe we could let them sort it out themselves. but i don't think that's right for our national security. i think we have to have a political plan in the middle east that whatever troops we
send in or whatever bombs we drop, we've got to have support for that political plan. but here at home, i think that we've got to have responsible measures to ensure our security but that doesn't, for example, refusing to accept syrian refugees who go through the tightest vetting process of any traveler to the united states today. and shutting the door on the very people whom isis is trying to target is playing right into the enemy's hands. it's un-american, it's immoral and it's not going to lead to the defeat of isis. >> we're going to talk a lot more just in the next block coming up about the refugee crisis. i have a guest standing next to me off screen to talk about that, but last question. offin fact, the french president is going to washington to try and convince the administrati administrationing to coordinate with russia and bury the hatch yet with moscow and to join in
the fight against isis together, would you support that. well, i certainly support diplomatic efforts. that's what's been missing from this. we don't have a clear political plan. russia is clear about their plan. they want assad to remain in power. now, i don't agree with that outcome but i don't think we in the united states of america have been clear about where we want this to go. we haven't been clear to our troops we're sending into syria what political outcome we want. i would say that will rather than defeating assad militarily and defeating isis in the process, we ought to unite and organize insurgent opposition that are willing to oppose assad and present a political alternative to his regime but also oppose isis. that's a reasonable outcome we can work towards. it's not actually that different from what the russians are proposing. maybe there is some common ground here but we've got to be absolutely clear. we're not going to defeat isis
if we just drop bombs and kill some fighters and don't have a way to fill the political vacuum that has allowed them to expand and grow in both syria and iraq and by the way, potentially in afghanistan. if we mismanage our withdrawal from that conflict and allow another political vacuum to grow in afghanistan where we could have terrorist training camps, where isis could grow and stage attacks on the united states down the road. >> not to mention isis in the sinai, isis which has a huge base in libya right now. congressman moulten of massachusetts, great of you to join us. >> thank you. ahead, how the attacks are defining one governor's race in the u.s. we are live from paris. please stay with us. ideas are scary. they come into this world ugly and messy.
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on the right, that is republican u.s. senator david vitter. even though the republicans were favored to win in the louisiana governorship, vitter has been trailing edwards by double digits in the polls and by a mile in fund-raising. but these attacks by isis and the news that one of the attackers came through greece was syrian refugees have given the republican what he hopes will be a last-minute knock outpunch. vitter is casting himself as a future governor who would block syrian refugees. he is casting his opponent as a governor who would open the gates. >> one of the paris isis terrorists entered france posing as a syrian refugee. now, obama is sending syrian refugees to louisiana. david vitter warned obama the dangers of syrian refugees weeks ago and promised as governor, nos syrian refugees will enter louisiana. john bell edwards has pledged to work with obama to bring syrian
refugees to louisiana. >> i support the president. >> he always does. >> fact checkers will be scrutinizing that campaign ad by vitter. already "the washington post" calls some of it misleading. but the combination of the syrian refugee crisis in europe and the attacks in paris have spilled over into u.s. politics, clearly today in congress, speaker paul ryan said he will bring forward a bill to pause the u.s. program for reset ling syrian refugees. other house republican leaders are proposing that each individual refugee can approved by the director of the fbi and national intelligence before being admitted to the united states. these are political responses to a humanitarian crisis that is so far has defied political solutions. i'll take you up close to that crisis as it unfolds in just a moment.
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be back tomorrow. according to french officials we now know that one of the men involved in the paris attacks, a man who may have been going by the name ahmad el mohamed and using there pause port passed through greece on his bay to paris. we fellow that because of a fingerprint that were taken from the scene, match prints taken in greece last month. it is a discovery adding fuel to a raging debate how to handle and whether to help the syrian refugee crisis. as european leaders struggle to deal with what to do with their borders, american politicians are now calling for bans on syrian refugees in their home states, even a countrywide ban. before coming to paris, i went to the refugees' main entry point into the european union. the greek islands where the stream of those fleeing the war in syria is as constant as it is daunting. >> good to go? >> please. >> there is only one helicopter patrolling around the greek island of less boes. we joined its romanian crew,
part of an ongoing joint european border control mission in the mediterranean. it didn't take long for them to spot refugees. >> you can see one, two boats. two rubber boats reach the shoreline. >> 12:00, boats are landing on shore? >> yes, 12:00, 10:00, 11:00. >> at 12:00, 11:00, 10. i see them, yes. >> the chopper's camera focused on one boat in distress. to rescue it, the crew called in a nearby greek coast guard cutter, cutter 080. >> 080 radio check with romanian helicopter. >> guided by the chopper, it sped over to help. to get a closer look of how all this works we boarded it 80 before dawn a couple days later. the captain runs the ship. he told us why lesbos has become
the main gateway for refugees and migrants. >> we are a medium distance from turkey. this is the border. >> reporter: it's a simple matter of proximity. when daylight broke, the captain a fisherman's son scanned the sea. soon we saw many boats. all those these missions are technically for border patrol, the coast guard doesn't turn anyone around. it's illegal to do that on the high seas. instead the captain offers them assistance. >> hey, you are okay? you need something? >> most boats decline the captain's offer. and cruise on towards the greek coast. but soon enough, 080 finds a boat in trouble. it happens all the time. the crew pulls it closer and tells the refugees to be calm. so they don't flip over. the captain follows the old rule of the sea. >> listen, everybody safe. okay? women and children, okay?
after that. >> they're nearly all from iraq and syria. few, if any, can swim. these refugee boats, rafts really are incredibly unsea worthy. they're packed with people, women, children, there must be 60, 70 people on this one. they were just adrift in the water. their engine had completely stopped. they passed the children up first. they're wet, confused and terrified. then their parents are lifted from the sinking boat. rana has her children, 10-month-old sali and her 3-year-old. her husband had been getting death threats. we left for the children's sake, he said. there's no future for them in iraq. the captain explains to the refugees that they will not be deported or charged. >> you all are going to be lesbos island in a few hours. >> reporter: their names aren't even written down on board. many have no documents anyway. but before they go, another coast guard cutter arrives with
more rescued refugees andmy grans. they're off loaded on to 80, soon there's little room left on the deck. so the captain's ship heads back with more than 150 migrants. he says that's not unusual. >> it's like this every day. every day. >> back on shore, life jackets and broken boats reeverywhere. piles and piles of them. and these are just from recent arrivals. volunteers clean up the beaches every few days and the boats keep coming. greek officials say the rafts land every 15 minutes or so. no checks, greece asks that the reflgs and migrants register and most do. but there's almost no capacity to verify their identities or if the documents that many of them carry are you an then tick. my trip with the greek coast guard just a few days ago, the first stop for many of those refugees andmy grans in europe. joining us now in paris is
bruno. he is the deputy executive director for advocacy of human rights watch. you deal with human rights issues. how worried are you that the reputation, the image of all of these people hop are leaving war zones has been tarnished by what happened in paris by that association with the migrant route? >> as we see it, that's a false association. the evidence and the facts points to the fact that the terrorists that did this ghastly attack here on friday, this was homegrown terrorism. it was concocted. it was planned. it was organized and executed by people that were born and raised in europe. there's a strong belgian connectionen a strong french connection. the evidence of one passport and nobody really knows whether it's a fake, whether it actually belonged to the person that actually did blow himself up outside of the stade de france, that basically does not discredit the hundreds of thousands of refugees who are fleeing violence, the very
terror that struck paris. these are people that are fleeing terrorism from isis, from other terrorist groups. they're fleeing sectarian be violence. they're fleeing all types of indiscriminate bombing by as sad. these are people that need our compassion and need international protection. >> you've been listening to the show standing next to me for the last few minutes. what did you think about that segment that the governors say not in our states, we don't want any syrians? what do you think of that? >> it's a shame also for the legacy and the history the u.s. has as a country that resettles refugees. the u.s. has been a sidelining light on this matter for decades. and the fact that not basing themselves on ned credible evidence they are fear amongdering, they are scapegoating does not doing justice to what the u.s. stands for and it also sends a terrible message to a good number of
european union members. there's a huge discussion here in europe as to how the refugee flow should be distributed amongst the various 28 member states. how to tell greece that there will be no responsibility, no burden sharing taken by the u.s. when greece is a country that's in dire financial straits that will continue to see an important philosophy refugees, why would greece continue to take them on if the u.s. takes such a position that lacks so much compassion. >> it allows other countries to say hey, the u.s. isn't doing it. we're not going to either. >> it sends a terrible message. the u.s. has to live up to its obligations and its duties. it is part of the protocol to the convention on refugees. the number we're talking about is just 10,000. that's what he president obama promised for 2016. this is just a drop in the bucket. and the u.s. has all the means to screen these people. currently, the screening process is not an easy one.
it takes refugees that are to be resettled in the u.s. up to two years. they're screened by the fbi, by the department of homeland security, by a number of agencies. so the screening process will practically ensure that terrorists will be filtered. >> thank you very much. and to stress the scale of this issue, on that one small island alone, the island of lesbos, sometimes 5,000 to 10,000 people a day arriving on these boats. just taking in a few thousand is a drop in the buckets. thank you very much for joining us with that important message. i appreciate it. thank you so much for human rights watch. still ahead, an the war on isis is -- the war on isis waging on the brave few who are trying to stop what is happening in raqqa. the self-proclaimed capital of isis in syria. please stay with us. the citi double cash® card comes in very handy with cash back twice on purchases.
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in the days since friday's terrorist attacks here in paris, france has launched dozens of air strikes in syria. primarily in the city of raqqa, the defacto capital of isis. police have also carried out hundreds of raids on homes in france and belgium detaining dozens of people and placing over 100 under house arrest. so there is a military air war under way and also an on the ground house-to-house hunt for accomplices or people who knew something about the attacks or people who might be planning the next attack. the hunt is also on for relationships and social networks and human intelligence and how you can find that kind of hunting on both sides of isis and by isis sympathizers. one of the only ways in which information makes it out of raqqa, syria and to the rest of the world is through a group called raqqa is being slaughtered silently. they are brave activists and journalists documenting the
atrocities being carried out by isis and sending the news to members who are of the press who are outside syria, often to the media, often to other activists. it is an incredibly risky it's often a risky operation, filming inside raqqah and trying to distribute that to others bhiel isis is looking for you. members of the group have been systematically hunted down and killed. some of them even killed when they're not inside syria. i saw the terrifying effect of that firsthand a couple of weeks ago when i met someone in raqqah, an activist who was then in turkey. by the time the emergency services showed up in an apartment building in the turkish city, all they could do was carry out the bodies of two young syrian men. both were members of a group of activists who risked their lives to tell the world what's going on in their hometown of raqqah, the isis capital in syria. both men were beheaded.
we knew one of the victims, ibrahim. we interviewed in turkey almost a year ago and asked him about the threats on his life. he didn't flinch of course there is danger, but we are the sons of our country. if we don't show the crimes of isis to the whole world, who will? ibrahim was proud of his work with a group of citizen journalists who call themselves raqqah is being slaughtered silent silently. they showed bread lines in raqqah, contrary to the claims that the islamic state is thriving. they put a ransom on my head, they told us, for anyone who killed me. we told him we hope he stayed safe. i'm taking precautions, he told us. i rarely leave my apartment. so how did isis manage to reach and murder ibrahim.
stabbing him 50 times. we learned the answer from his brother, who said it started six weeks ago when an old family friend rented an apartment next door. he came in a smart way, ibrahim was a good guy, welcoming. so he knew he could get to him, ahmed says. this is that man who ahmed said unexpectedly moved in next door, claiming to be an isis defector. he befriended ibrahim and the other murdered activist. both activists were killed in talas' apartment. a turkish police source tells nbc news they have other evidence against him. talah slipped back into syria to re-join isis but he hasn't remained quiet. ahmed received a text message on his phone. the message he just sent me said we killed ibrahim to break your heart. >> he admits it, he said i did it, we're coming for you. >> yes, he said just wait. your turn is coming in a matter
of days, he says. ahmed showed me the window of talah's rented apartment. he covered the windows with cardboard and blankets before the murder and invited over two suspected accomplices. if they think this will stop me, they are wrong. just the opposite. more determined, we will keep going until we are finished with isis. this is a promise for ibrahim and all the victims of raqqah, he says. it is so hard and so dangerous to get information out of raqqah. a week from tonight in new york city, that group, raqqah is being slaughtered silently will receive an international press freedom award from the committee to protect journalists. the most recent video from the group was posted today auz france carried out another day of air strikes. it's filmed total darkness, labelled the sounds of war planes over raqqah. there's more to come tonight, live from paris. we'll be right back.
>> these are the same folks to suggest they're so tough that just talking to putin or staring them down or the rhetoric will solve all the problems. but apparently they're scared of widows and orphans coming into the united states of america as part of our tradition of compassion. at first, they were worried about the press being too tough on them during debates.
now they're worried about 3-year-old orphans. that doesn't sound very tough to me. they've been playing on fear in order to try to score political points or to advance their campaigns, and it's irresponsible. and it's contrary to who we are. and it needs to stop because the world is watching. >> that was president obama speaking in the last hour at a regional trade summit in the philippines. more from paris straight ahead. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪
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wonder if this latest atrocity will be enough to push political and national calculations aside and persuade governments all over the world to come together and fight a new enemy so vile it it is once again an enemy for all of us, an enemy that celebrates death over life. an enemy that's enshrined slave owning as a religious right. the question is, has isis killed enough to unite russia and the u.s.? france and turkey, saudi arabia and iran in a battle against it? the answer, sadly, is probably not. but hey, this is paris. one can dream. i'm richard engel. rachel will be back tomorrow. msnbc's coverage of the attacks on paris continues now with lawrence o'donnell. >> this is msnbc's continuing coverage of the paris terror attacks. french police now believe there were nine participants in friday night's