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is this new isis video, this new isis video that makes reference to new york city's times square. there are no details, no plans of a plot. it's important to note that the video of times square is essentially file footage. it has been used by isis before. at this point, there is no specific credible threat to new york city. the joint statement from the nypd and the fbi reads in part, quote, we are aware of the reporting of ongoing terrorist threats to new york city to include the newly released isis video involving times square. these incidents reaffirm the message that new york city remains a terrorist target. while there is no specific, articulable threat to the city at this time, we continue to diligently work with partners to
fully investigate any threat information. new york city police commissioner, bill bratton, we expect to hear from him. we also expect to hear from john miller, they are expected to speak any moment now from times square. we also learned a few moments ago that we might hear from build the blahs feel the blood feel as well. i am joined by nbc news correspondent, katie turner, who spent some of the evening at times square. what did use? >> business as usual. they get about, if not a few hundred house and, a million visitors in time square every evening. they are going about their routine as they normally would. people leaving work. no one seems to be any the wiser or worried about this new isis threat. >> it is unusual, though, that you would have the police commissioner, possibly the mayor holding a news conference at 11:00 eastern on a wednesday evening. this is video that surfaced some hours ago.
>> i spoke with the nypd earlier and asked if they were more concerned about this threat. they said no, we are not. we get threats all the time and take them all very seriously. we have been on a heightened state of alert. this is typical for them. if you have any dealings with the news business, you will know that are suspicious packages in time square if not every day, then certainly a few times a week. this is standard procedure for them. this video is getting a lot of attention from the news organizations. what the commissioner will want to do is reassure the public of new york city that they are on top of it. that is why there will be an 11:00 news conference. that is when the new stations go on air. >> a live look right now. we saw the cameras zoom in. we are expecting to hear from the police commissioner and deputy commissioner as well. that appears to be new york city mayor build the block io a fwsy moments ago we learned that he may also be speaking. it appears as if he is there.
don borelli, former assistant special agent in charge. he joins me on the phone right now. don, what can we expect to hear from the police commissioner, from the mayor here in a few moments? >> what i think they will say is basically that there is no audible threat and that the fault vision in new york is that what new york is always under a constant state of threat. even my experience with the fbi, a bomb goes off, there is some kind of shred of evidence it might have a linkage to new york or post 9/11. that is the defect. >> on, let me cut you off here. here is new york city mayor, bill de blasio. >> by isis or training scenes of new york city, scenes of time square, where we are now and harold square. in an obvious attempt to
intimidate the people of new york city. i'm here this evening with commissioner bratton, other leaders of the police department and the men and women of our department who controlled time square to make very, very clear that the people of new york city will not be intimidated. we understand it is the goal of terrorists to intimidate and disrupt our democratic society. we will not submit to their wishes. people of new york city, as you can see, right now are going about the business even at this late hour. i want to encourage all new yorkers to continue to go about their business normally. it's important to note that there is no credible and specific threats against new york city. nypd has been working very, very closely with the f the i and other federal partners. i again repeat, there is no
specific and credible threat against new york city. it's crucial that people go about the normal business recognizing that the nypd is providing extraordinary protection to the people 35,000 strong. justin this last week, we have initiated the first wave of our new critical response command, which will grow to 500-plus officers, specifically dedicated to antiterrorist and activities. these officers, who have been assigned in the last months, will be specifically trained, equipped and armed to handle any terrorist threat. it will be part of our overall assets of the nypd to prevent terrorism in coordination with our federal partners. the people of new york city can rest assured that extraordinary efforts are being made every single day to keep them safe and
this is the finest police force in this nation for 14 years since 9/11. this police force has consistently protected the city against terrorist threats, and it will continue to do so. i want to say one other thing before i turn to commissioner bratton. remind all you new yorkers that we can depend on the nypd and at the same time every resident of the city can help the nypd. we have a phrase, if you see something, say something. that phrase is very meaningful. if you see something you think is suspicious, a package left unattended or if you hear information that you believe the nypd should have, please immediately call 911 or other a police officer. that kind of information, those leads could be very, very helpful to the nypd and help them do the good work they do. with that, i'm proud to introduce our commissioner, bill bratton. >> thank you, mr. mayor.
after the mayor's comments, there is no city in america that has defended and protected against terrorist attacks. we work tirelessly to ensure that. continuously upgrading capabilities in our systems. the events of today that have raised concern, being quite frank with you, there is nothing new about that video. new york, obviously, remains one of the top terrorist targets in the world. that video, our review of it, it looks like it has been hastily produced. it is a mismatch of previously released video. we believe it's a compilation of videos going back to one in august that was directed against germany, one in october against israel and 19 seconds about a five and a half minute video released today of scenes of new
york. in new york we understand that we are a terrorist target. reflects the importance of this city. understanding that this city places great importance on the safety of new yorkers and the almost 60,000,000 visitors who will come to this city. as we move into this time of year of great celebration and greater to the in new york, thanksgiving day parade, the lighting of the christmas tree in rockefeller center, the holiday celebrations that will bring millions into the city, people can feel comfortable coming into the city, enjoying themselves, celebrating. be aware, but do not be afraid. the nypd will protect you. the nypd is working in close, close cooperation with the fbi and other ever met colleagues and with the great, great assistance of the residents of this great city that we will keep safe. we cannot be intimidated, and
that is what terrorists seek to do. they seek to create fear. they seek to intimidate. we will not be intimidated, and we will not live in fear. >> thank you. thanks, everyone. >> and there you have it. about five minutes from bill de blasio and also the commissioner, bill bratton. reassuring, not just folks here in new york city but folks all over the city that new york city is safe. and also, that new york city is very much open for business. you heard from bill bratton and from the police commissioner as well. next week, of course, you have the macy's thanksgiving day parade. the week after that, the lighting of the christmas tree here at 30 rockefeller plaza. of course, we are in the holiday season, essentially. a lot of folks come to new york city to shop.
you got the sense from that brief news conference that it was also designed to make sure that people who were traveling here understood that the city was safe. we also heard from ill bratton saying that there is nothing new about the video referred to as a mismatch of previously produced videos. right now a live look at time square. you saw a familiar scene a few moments ago. a lot of cars standing still. katie is still with me on the set. no major surprises. >> no major surprises. you heard commissioner bratton say the nypd will protect you. he is trying to not only reassure the citizens but for those that will be coming into the city visiting. paris has rattled people around the world. the holiday season is a big tourism time for this city from people around the world. he wants to assure those people that the nypd is going to keep them safe and that new york city is safe.
you have to remember that new york city has been a high terrorist target since 9/11. they have been prepared for it. there have been steps taken over the years to ensure that they are prepared for it. they have foiled a number of terrorist plots. an unknown number that they stopped before it it even got to fruition. time square is certainly a hot target. back in 2010, i'm sure you remember, there was a man who tried to detonate a car bomb outside of the lion king thea r theater. that was thwarted by a street vendor who saw the pathfinder smoking. he alerted the cops. the cops came and cordoned off the area. they were able to diffuse that bomb. they are used to threats there. they are prepared for it. >> don, mayor de blasio started that news conference by reassuring people that the people of new york city will be in -- not be intimidated. he said three or four times that no specific, credible threat.
he also alluded to a ramping up of the police force here in the city. what can you tell us about the number of officers added to the ranks in this antiterrorist activity training that he mentioned? >> well, you have to know that new york city is some 35,000 strong with the new york city police department. this special unit has specific training and tactical response and special weapons training. it will be a very visible deterrent. it will take some of these soft targets and make the soft targets a bit harder. at the same time, you need to have a land to make sure that people that come to new york have a good time and can go in and out of time square. i feel there is a police state. you need to have enough visible deterrent and people that are trained with the special skills to recognize a dangerous situation or react to it.
what's going on behind the scenes in addition to this physical deterrent is that between the new york city police department and the fbi, there is a very robust intelligence gathering capability to try to detect these situations before they become public. there is a lot going on. new york is a very safe place. it's not immune from threats, but between the nypd, the fbi and other law enforcement agencies, they do a very good job to keep the visitors and people safe. >> and msnbc terror analyst. we heard the police commissioner be pretty dismissive of the video we spent a great deal of today talking about. what do you make of that? >> i don't think it's just about the video. i think it's about reassuring new yorkers that new york is still vigilant but that there is
no credible or specific threat. again, this footage that shows new york city in this video was included multiple times in previous isis videos. is meant to intimidate americ s americans, just as the media was abuzz with this kind of footage. there is some panic in the post france attacks and of course such propaganda videos. i think it's purely the value that isis is trying to get out of it. >> thank you. don, thank you. katie, thanks to you as well. again, new york city's mayor and police commissioner saying that no specific, credible threat. keep it tuned to msnbc. we will take a quick break and be right back after this. . and to help you accelerate, we've created a new company... one totally focused on what's next for your business. the true partnership
a police raid this morning in saint-denis caught the community by surprise, including the city's leaders. earlier, i was in saint-denis, i had the chance to speak with the deputy mayor, who told me how his morning began. >> translator: this morning, around 4:30, i was woken up by a neighbor's phone call. a friend of mine who told me she could hear gunshots and explosions. so i called the mayor and went outside to see what was going on. >> did you know, rather quickly, what this meant, what was happening? >> translator: the amplitude of the attack, the violence, made me think straight away that it was linked to the situation with the terrorists. to the time as well. it was very early, 4:00. it's not a normal hour for police assaults. >> are you surprised that they were -- this group of people were just a few blocks from city hall in saint-denis? >> translator: of course, we're surprised. nothing can make us believe that this could happen. as we speak, we do not have the identities of these people. it seems they arrived yesterday, but still, all needs to be confirmed by the authorities. but of course, we're surprised.
>> for americans that are just learning of saint-denis, because the stadium or what happened today, what do you want people to know about this place? >> translator: we are a big town in the north of paris. we are a popular town, we are a big town. we are over 80 to 100 different nationalities. we're modest people. we are multicultural, as you say. there are people of all origins that live rather well together. >> do you think what's happened will threaten that multiculturalism? >> translator: today, we're facing a terrorism situation. today was a police action against the terrorists that took place in saint-denis. it doesn't question the diversity and our willing and the pleasure we have of living together. . today was a police action against what happened.
it doesn't question the diverse city in our will and the pleasure we have of living together. >> my great thanks to the deputy mayor of saint-denis. coming up in the u.s., an ugly backlash towards refugees grows, with one political leader bringing up the specter of internment camps. that's ahead. working on my feet all day gave me pain here. in my knees. but now, i step on this machine and get my number which matches my dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic inserts. now i get immediate relief from my foot pain. my knee pain. find a machine at drscholls.com >> you suggested that there that still exists. polident's unique micro clean formula
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this was the scene literally the scene at the trump rally in massachusetts last night. protesters stood up shouting, donald trump is a racist. a man was booed by the raucous crowd, grabbed there by the back, pulled to the ground, as you can see, and escorted out. all the backlash rhetoric in the u.s. in the wake of the attacks here in paris grows increasingly harsh, today french president hollande joined with president obama in standing by plans to allow refugees to settle in his country, with hollande saying he will welcome 30,000 over the next two years, despite growing anti-refugee sentiment that we're seeing manifested in the states. tonight, we're seeing some of the real-world consequences of that sentiment in the u.s. in tennessee, a top gop lawmaker called for the national guard to round up any syrian refugees who have recently settled in the state and forcibly remove them. in virginia, the democratic mayor of roanoke made a positive reference to japanese internment camps, and indiana governor mike pence turned away two syrian refugees who had been preparing to live in his state.
the democratic connecticut governor dannel malloy met today with one of the families, a shopkeeper, his wife, and 5-year-old son who have been living as refugees for four years and offered them a home in his state. >> i told them that people in the united states are generous and good people, but sometimes things happen elsewhere that cause people to forget about their generosity and to forget about their native warmth and spirit. but that will return to the rest of people in due course. they know that they've been diverted. they know that they were unwelcome in another state and, you know, we're not in a position to take everybody from
syria. but connecticut should take its share. >> joining me now, democratic representative, andre carson of indiana, one of two muslims serving in the u.s. congress. representative carson, your response to your governor, mike pence's actions, in essentially blocking the door for these people that are trying to get some safety. >> well, i certainly agree with governor pence, who is also my former congressional colleague, with regard to this matter. look, there are serious national security concerns that we have to take into consideration, without question. i can tell you, as someone who is a former law enforcement officer, who has worked in an intelligence fusion center, keeping our country safe is a tremendous task, not only for law enforcement officers, but for mayors, governors, and certainly the president. what we're seeing now is the syrian refugee crisis being used as a justification for xenophobia, islamophobia and all
kinds of destructive phobias you can see. what we have to do is deal with the threat at hand. a group claiming to represent islam, that is not representing islam, is killing people in the name of religion. we need folks of goodwill, be they christian, jewish, muslim, sikh, hindu, along with our law enforcement and intelligence communities, to pose a global united front to eliminate this terrorist threat. >> what's your response when you hear a presidential candidate like donald trump, who's a front-runner in the republican field, talk that, you know, maybe you might have to close down mosques in the u.s.? >> well, maybe -- you know, that same kind of conversation, i think, is unacceptable. if we look at the scores of folks who claim to represent christianity, decades ago, who were affiliated with the ku klux klan, when they were bombing churches, and killing african-americans. no one thought it was sensible enough to close all churches in our country. i think that we have to look at our candidates for president.
those who really are seeking to become commander in chief and effectively the ceo of our nation, they have to understand that this is a shared enterprise. and a part of that shared enterprise means that we have to recognize the over 8 million muslims who are part of the fabric of our society, who have been here since the inception of our great nation, where you have muslim judges, my father-in-law happens to be the first muslim judge in the country. you have police officers, you have lawyers, you have engineers. you have muslims in our intelligence communities who are fighting to keep our countries safe each and every day. and any person who claims they want to represent our country should really consider what is at stake. >> there's going to be a vote tomorrow to essentially put -- stop the refugee program. they say pause, but it will have
the effect of stopping it. the white house has issued a veto threat. what is your position on that piece of legislation? >> well, i think that the screening process is very rigorous. it takes 18 to 24 months. it's under review from the state department to the fbi. and other intelligence and law enforcement agencies. it's a very rigorous process. we cannot allow politicians who are elected by the people to use this incident. our heart goes out to those folks who are impacted in france and other places across the globe, to make this as a rallying cry to promote an already-destructive agenda that is rooted in xenophobia. we are a nation built on the backs of immigrants. and for us to abandon our principles, all for the sake of a few political points, to me, puts us at the hand of the american people next year for them to make a decision about the kind of representation they
really want in congress. >> representative andre carson, thank you for your time. >> an honor, thank. joining me now, french tunisian human rights activist, samiana, with the foundation for ethnic understanding. and i'm really curious your reaction to what the political conversation here in france has been in the aftermath. because in the u.s., it is focused very intensely on the syrian refugees and then you have people talking about mosques and you won't say radical islam. what has the conversation been like here? >> the conversation seems terrible and horrify, a attack that we had friday, is much more about terrorism. it's much more about thinking of the roots of radicalization in our country, but we do have also some kind of right-wing politicians singling out the muslim community. at the same time, i think there was a great resilience, a great sense of unity among how french citizens and including muslim condemning the terrorists attack the blind violence that targeted the most vibrant and the most
diverse part of our national community. >> i know you've done work in sort of french, muslim, and jewish relations here. france, the european country with the highest jewish population and muslim population. horrible news out of marseille today, with a stabbing of a jewish teacher by three youths who appear to have been shouting anti-semitic slogans. >> yes. >> what do you -- how much is that boiling beneath the surface here? >> i mean, there was just after "charlie hebdo" and the attack, finally we understand that there was a worrying discussion about anti-semitism and islam phobia in france and an internalization between joous and muslims. and there was a momentum when people understood it was high time for us to think and ponder and think and act and bring about change between muslims and jews in france, but among all citizens, it's a time of unity, after "charlie hebdo," it was a time of unity. i think we should continue on
this path of unity, of bringing people of all faiths, jews, muslim, christian, agnostic to work together. i have assigned myself with 40 organization and people from civil societies, jews, muslims, christians, later on a daily newspaper called "we are together." and i think this is the most that we want to deliver to the country. i think if there is a clash today, it's not a clash between islam and the west, it's more a clash between those full of hatred and who want to divide us and us seeking for peace and mutual understanding, and i have chose my path and i think i have a great sense of belonging to this country, and i think that all the french citizens will continue on this path, hopefully. >> last thing, the syrian refugees have been the issue that american politicians have focused on. my sense of consuming french
media is that that has not been a real focus in the wake of the attacks here. i think it was a debate on september. we had a huge crisis on september, and we had hundreds and thousands of people in the city of paris, throughout paris, and we were with thinking about this issue and we were debating. but today is not an issue, because we have understood that the terrorist attack came from homegrown people. they came from us. >> french and belgium nationals. >> exactly. they are european. and this issue is not an issue about syria or middle eastern, it's really an issue about countries that need to target against the roots of this phenomenon. >> samia, thank you so much. next, i had a chance to visit saint-denis earlier today. i had the chance to speak with a few local residents about what they heard and saw and that's next. they come into this world ugly and messy.
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it's about 4:30 a.m. local time when a raid started just a few blocks up here in an apartment. police surrounding it and what we perceived is was a seven-hour standoff. the town here, a bit shaken today in saint-denis. a working class suburb outside paris. the streets closed inside the security perimeter. seven hours later, streets beginning to fill up as onlookers come to take a look at what happened. you live here in saint-denis? >> i live here.
>> and you were up this morning. >> yes. >> translator: what did you see? >> 4:00, 4:30 in the morning, was getting ready to go to work, and when i heard the shots, i though, it, will be difficult to go to work. >> when you heard the shots fired, did you realize what was happening immediately? >> yes, i looked out the window and police said, you can't look out the window. >> do you feel surprised? >> you feel that it will be war, that this is now permanent? this is how it will go on?
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the united states, in conjunction with our nato allies, and more arab partners, will need to increase our presence on the ground. >> the obama administration has dispatched thousands of troops to iraq to train iraqi forces and sent a small contingent of special operator troops into syria. president obama has been wary of having u.s. ground troops engage in direct combat against isis. a new nbc news poll today found that 65% of americans now support sending additional ground troops to fight isis in iraq and syria with 31% opposed. as politico reported yesterday, military leaders are dubious of the bigger number, but one senior official saying, we can kill a lot of them, maybe all of them, we can probably convince some of them to quit and embrace a more moderate view, but if that is all we do, we will be back here again. joining me now, chairman john schwartz who served two tours in iraq. as someone who served two tours in iraq, your reaction to jeb bush's speech? >> i thought the speech was
limited. just throwing ground troops in the war against isis doesn't really tell us what you want to do. i think that's par for the course for a lot of the republican candidates. ben carson still thinks, for instance, that there's chinese troops in syria. i would have hoped that jeb bush would have articulated, you know, how many troops we needed. what is our position with bashar al assad. you can't really talk about iraq without talking about syria. the situation on the ground in syria is very complicated. so throwing our troops in like that and allowing them to be a part of this conversation without any strategic framework as to how we would use them or how many is putting the horse before the carriage. >> i was talking to someone the other day whose son had served in iraq during the insurgency there and, you know, he was saying this, that if american ground troops were to enter the syrian war, which is one of the most complicate battlefields or probably the most complicated, a significant u.s. presence would almost immediately probably unite all factions against it. >> that's what happened in iraq. i mean, when i left iraq in 2011, we were fighting
insurgents in northern iraq, who had come over from the syrian side, many of which were the sunni insurgents that now fight bashar al assad. and when i was in baghdad, they were rocking our bases with iranian-made rockets. if we went into syria, i think that's the big framework that i would have hoped that jeb bush would have articulated today. what do we do with our relationship with bashar al assad. is it our policy that once we were to wipe out isis, that we would continue to topple the regime. on the assad side, you have iran, russia, and he has bow la, and you have the saudis supporting the opposition movement. so, essentially, everybody would unite against us in syria, much like they did in iraq. unless we can somehow do what john kerry's talking about, which is bring the russians and the iranians to the table, which the turks and the saudis and try to create a post framework in syria. but without that conversation, he's absolutely right. everybody in syria will try to kill u.s. troops.
>> there's indications that there has been some movement towards some type of temporary cease-fire today, some factions agreeing to a cease-fire in syria. that crossed today. but john, the polling that shows now that americans have been in poll after poll, very wary, very reluctant to send american troops back into war in the middle easily. this poll today really caught me by surprise, i have to say, given the tenor of the political rhetoric and the media coverage of the last four days, perhaps not surprising, your reaction to that poll? >> i'm disappointed, you know, by the polling and i understand people are scared, but in reality right now, the way the situation is in iraq and syria, you know, for instance, in iraq alone, the iraqi army has never conducted offensive combat operations. so we can go in there retake, you know, basically huge footprints of the country. the mosul sector, the tikrit sector, the anbar sector. we can occupy that land. it would take thousands and thousands of troops to do this. reinstall the iraqi army, and we're back to where we were in
2012. i don't think people understand when they're talking about putting troops back in the region, you know, we're basically back to where we started from, which is stuck there. and it's endless war for this country and we've got to be more sophisticated than just throwing our troops back into the middle of the region. but when people want war, unfortunately, politicians give it to him. >> john saltz, thank you very much. >> thank. earlier this year, two gunmen targeted the office of satirical magazine, "charlie hebdo," killing 12 people. ahead, i'll talk about someone who worked at the magazine about the aftermath and the latest issue. the cold truth is, (coughing) you can't work from home when you're sick. you need real relief. alka-seltzer plus day cold & flu has three cold symptom fighters to relieve your tough symptoms. (truck horn) alka-seltzer plus.
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injuring 11 others, the two brothers responsible for the attack, radicalized french-born muslims, they continued publishing. this week, "charlie hebdo" released its first issue since last friday's deadly attack. the cover reading, quote, they have weapons, f them, we have champagne." that second line is blurred, because it contains an expletive. earlier today, i spoke with a journalist who formerly wrote for "charlie hebdo." i started by asking her what the last several months have been like since the death of her friends and colleagues. >> a lot of adversity. and i would tell you that it's not only that we have to, of course, try to recover from the sadness and, yeah, really sad of losing a lot of fantastic people there and missing them. but also that we have to fight so hard to defend their memories, to defend what
"charlie hebdo" against propaganda against misunderstandings. >> the latest cover is sort of instantly iconic with someone drinking champagne and, you know, the champagne coming out of bullet holes, and it says, you know, they have guns, screw it, we have champagne. >> yeah. this is exactly "charlie hebdo" and this is exactly what we feel. strangely sad and strangely proud of what we are. because we love to live in paris, we love to drink champagne, we love to be exactly the opposite of isis. >> so i wonder how you see this playing out, particularly in the context of the hard right and the france national, that you have basically spent your whole career railing against.
>> and yes, and we are, of course, very, very concerned about how some radicals can explode this massacre, of course, always. actually, we are living with these two fears. all the time, together. the fear of being attacked and killed by the islamists and the fear of being used by some parties. but the way to fight both is really to, very focused, explain and explain, that of course we have to do something. we cannot -- we cannot just say, don't hear, it's okay, it will go away. no, it won't go away. we know that we are probably ten years of attacks in front of us, if we don't do something about isis in syria, but more than that, because it's not only a war, it would be too simple if it was a war. it's even more than a war, actually. it's a fight against the
movement with recruiting amongst u.s. >> then, what is the answer here? i mean, obviously, there are very intense social strains. there's a kind of combination in france of a group that is, you know, from a different ethnic background, religious background, and also relatively socioeconomically deprived, right? all of those things sort of running together, as the background context for that kind of recruitment. >> what is true is that we are facing a big challenge, because, why? because we have high, high level of muslims in france. far more than in my countries. the huge majority of them are secular, they, of course, have nothing to do with the crazy killers. but as their -- they are not only muslims, it's very important, they are coming from arab countries. it's not like them in england. it's not like many of the muslims of usa. they are coming from arab background. and because of the path to
france, they don't decide then, not, of course, but many more propaganda, who say that france is islamophobic, and this is because they feel that france is islamphobic, but this is where we don't have to turn that game into plate, because honestly, we are one of the country where the quality, of course, it's not perfect, but show me a country where it is. >> do you think that we will see, you know, it can be sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy on both sides, this is what i'm hearing from you, when people say that upholding this tradition of secularism amounts to discrimination of muslims and people start to believe that, right? and at the same time, you have in the wake of the attacks, people, demagogues who want to essentially say, all the muslims of france are a fifth column. they need to be treated harshly, we need to change our laws, we need to crack down and close
them off. those two kinds of sentiments -- they sort of reinforce each other. >> they are fueling each other, of course. and this is why it's so important to sort of defend the secular leftist balance way to see. we want to live together. we're not going to excuse everything. we are not going to say that terrorism, it's okay, because it's just a way to fight against discrimination. and it is so important to say that, because we don't want to let the national france and the extreme right appear to bes the only one who have solutions, who are standing in front of the fear. but if those attacks continue, in europe, every month, of course, in ten years, we will have a fascist europe, of course.
because people will lose their nerve. they will lose patience. and this is why it's a problem on earth, the democrats. i mean, the democrats are not -- the people from the right wing or the left ring, but the people who believe that we have something very strong in front of those, that we stand up. that we say, there is other way to fight. rike, continue to love. like "charlie hebdo." like drinking, like being free. >> we'll be right back with more on the ground in paris and i'll tell you what struck me about the difference between the reaction here and in the states. (patrick 1) what's it like to be the boss of you? (patrick 2) pretty great. (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20?
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french discussion in the aftermath of the horrific attacks with the american discussion. in france, there has been very little focus on the refugee crisis, though it's been a huge political debate for months and months and months here. that's because as of now, all of the assailants have been identified as french or belgium or eu nationals. i think that the french have the feeling there's not just some faucet they can turn off and the people who did this were french or belgium or european and had passports and citizenship and the problem is much more complex. there's a lot of talk about fighting isis in syria, but none of the focus on the syrian refugees we see in the states. in the states, on the other hand, all of the focus has been on the syrian refugees, despite the fact that the u.s. is removed by an ocean and a long bureaucratic process from the tens and hundreds of thousands of refugees that have been streaming from the middle east up into europe. you know, sometimes in the wake of a crisis or a tragedy, people
say, something must be done, and this is something. and therefore, it must be done. and it's that kind of reasoning, frankly, that has gotten us into some of the most destructive debacles recent memory. let's not forget that in the wake of the anger and grief people naturally feel at the hands of the mass slaughter that's happened in the streets in paris here. that is "all in" for this evening, live from paris. "the rachel maddow show" starts now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thank you, my friend. it's really good to have you there. thanks to you at home as well for joining us this hour. you cannot take liquids in any significant quantity onboard a passenger aircraft anymore. you know this, right? you have to put any liquids or gels in teeny tiny little containers. and you can't bring on board a large number of those teeny tiny little containers. the total amount of liquid and the size of the containers that all your liquids have to be in, it's very tightly regulated now, in a very annoying way, for going on a decade now.