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paris today. as we've been reporting all day, probably the biggest headline from here is that the man who was considered to be the organizer of this attacks last week here in paris has been killed. abdelhamid abaaoud is his name. you know his face by now. the paris prosecutor confirming they identified his fingerprints. he was killed yesterday morning in that raid in saint-denis. his body so destroyed they had to wait for fingerprints. m. abaaoud was able to travel back to paris to be in france when he had been presumably in syria for some time. he, of course, had boasted many times in video, in propaganda videos for isis that he's able to travel, he is able to travel freely. indeed he was. he ended up here in france somehow. also in the news today, the woman who blew herself up when police raided that apartment on
the outskirts of paris yesterday morning. we're learning more about her. her name is hasna aitboulahcen and we have video of her now. you hear the audio of police raiding the apartment yesterday morning. and you hear clearly an exchange between police officers and the woman that you just saw. they're speaking to her in french. they're asking, where is your boyfriend? she said, he's not my boyfriend. she says at one point, i'm scared, i'm scared. let me come out. apparently she was trying to come out of the apartment because we know she later detonated an explosive belt and blew herself up. it appears on the tape she was trying to convince police to let her get closer to them so she could potentially do even more damage than she did. another piece of information, belgian police putting out a video on one of the men who they are still looking for, brian, salah abdelsalam. he's described as armed and extremely dangerous. belgians trying to put the word
out that if anyone sees him. here in france, the lower house of parliament voted today and passed a measure to extend the state of emergency for the next three months. that means giving law enforcement and intelligence far greater power than they would have normally under the french constitution. and finally, the last thing that i want to mention, brian, is that today we also saw a new isis propaganda video and the title of it is jarring about the title was paris before rome raising a lot of questions, as they have done so often, and again it's propaganda for them, but they're boasting that they are going to again attack with explosives and they mention explosive belts as well. brian, back to you. >> kate, any sense of relief there at the story that started our morning here in the u.s. that indeed the ringleader was among the dead? >> there is, there is. i think you can read it both ways. it's good news that they killed this man, that he's no longer a threat, that he's no longer able
to organize. this was a man that was connected to several attacks just this year and several plots that were foiled. so they've known about him for a while and they've known that he's extremely dangerous. now he's been eliminated. on the flip side, as i mentioned before, a lot of questions about how on earth he could have traveled into suburban paris. how did they not know until this week that he had ventured back into europe? >> that's the scary part. well, one of many scary parts of this. kate snow, thanks. we'll be going back to kate for the balance of our coverage these two hours. also, another member of our team live in paris for us tonight, nbc's erica hill. erica? >> brian, good evening. one of the things we've been keeping a close eye on, of course, since all this began to unfold were these different raids and searches that we've seen carried out. the vote here today in paris to extend the state of emergency powers. one thing that that does, brian, is it makes raids and searches
easier. when those powers are not in place they're confined to certain hours of the day. you need more documentation to get them done. it is harder to detain people. because that has been extended, those things are not as much of an issue. we can tell you the french prime minister announcing just a short time ago that 600 searches and raids have been carried out throughout france since friday's attack. that's an interesting number because just yesterday we were told the number of raids stood at 414. so we're adding in searches and raids, but that's a big jump up to 600. one of the raids we're watching very closely is happening in a town called chaleville-mezieres. we do know an explosion was needed to open the coor there. it is unclear at this hour if it's directly relate to the paris attacks, but that's one we're watching closely. france has noted, france has
said the paris attacks were planned by a brussels terror cell. we've had extensive reporting on the ground there in brussels by our team. we do know nine raids carried out there today that led to nine people in custody. six of those raids were related, somehow linked to one of the suicide bombers at the stade defrance. then there were raids directly linked to the paris attacks. and from those there were two people who were detained. so many moving parts as we've been talking about from the very beginning. and such a focus on these raids happening not just in france but across the border in belgium in these suburbs that we talked so much about, these suburbs of brussels. >> erica hill from paris, as you point out, staggering number of searches and raids going on there. someone said during our coverage this week facetiously that there wouldn't be a door left in paris that wasn't kicked in by the police.
they're going to be more right than wrong by the end of this. erica, thanks. kate snow mentioned this extraordinary recording, and we'll set the scene for you. this is dialogue during a gun battle from a female police officer assumed to be a member of the kind of special operations sniper team and the female terrorist since deceased inside the building. this was recorded by a neighbor. you'll be hearing the audio against a video freeze frame of the building. here it is. >> presuming they were talking about the ringleader. they were cousins, not boyfriend and girl friend.
with more on the conversation, the after-effects of that raid we're happy to be joined again by laura heim, the u.s. bureau chief for canal plus. what can you add to this story today? >> i can tell you that one man is still at large. and that's the big story for them. one of the men who attacked the restaurant on friday is still at large. he's not been found in the raid which happened in saint-denis. a so that's what they're really focusing on that. what's absolutely fascinating is to see how they were able to find the architect of the attack, abaaoud. in fact, if fate of this woman,
she was wire tapped and investigator of the french intelligence were listening to the phone of this woman. and because they were listening to the phone of this woman on sunday they decided to launch the attack, the raid, after they located him. another thing which is really interesting is how he managed to come from syria to france. and for the french people, for the french politicians, for also the french intelligence, this is a big story. how this man managed to come to france. he was in syria but according to my sources they know that he traveled to greece and how from greece where he was located, according to my sources, three weeks ago, did he arrive to france, that's the big story because they don't know how he arrived to france.
he probably went through macedonia, through serbia, then arrived to france. what is also fascinating is to see that they knew him. they knew him extremely well. they went to his family a few months ago to have questions about him. his family was in belgium. and the father and the sister of abaaoud said that we know that he's dead. someone told us he's dead. so according to my sources, the french intelligence began quickly to say, okay, they said, the family is saying he's dead, so maybe it's true. we have to check. but they focus on some other people. and apparently, according to the investigators i spoke with, this is quite a tactic from a terrorist to make sure that his family know he's dead, so that like people basically watch him
less because they think he's dead even if it's not so. the other thing is he had money and again i'm trying to give the information which is arriving to me. last august there was a man who was arrested by the french. he was questioned by the french, and he told the french, i have been trained by abaaoud, abaaoud asked me to explode myself inside a theater. he gave me money. he gave me a computer. he gave me directions. i was about to choose my targets but abaaoud definitely wanted me to explode myself. and he was arrested by the french intelligence. and he said that to the french intelligence last august. so in the past month, the french intelligence knew that something big was coming up. >> laura haim, canal plus, thank
you very much, as always, for this added detail now to the investigation from france by way of the united states. laura, thank you. as you might have heard earlier today, we have an nbc news exclusive interview. lester holt was able to secure and interview with this man, his identity concealed. he's the captain of a special brigade, the french assault force, stormed the bataclan theater, the music venue, another brigade was involved in the raid in saint-denis. he's next to a kevlar shield. and that's what point-blank fire from an ak-47 looks like. we have a short portion of this
discussion to air for you. more on "nightly news." >> we get the call first. we saw that something's going on. we get the call around 9:40 p.m. everybody on the team came back to the unit. and we were on the scene at the bataclan at 10:50. >> what did you see when you got there? >> first we saw the uniformed division, the street police. we take position at the interof the theater. then we saw hell on earth. 7 to 800 people lying on the floor. >> 7 to 800? >> yes. lying on the floor. blood everywhere. no sound.
nobody was crying except some of the guys, but a lot of -- because it was like a concert where the lights weren't on. and we discovered this scene first. >> were the people afraid to leave? >> yeah. nobody was moving because they were afraid of the terrorists. at that time we know that one terrorist had been killed by the uniform division. the first responders. and we tried to found the two more. >> and where were they? >> they were on the first floor of the left side of the theater. >> when you say first floor, you mean the balcony? >> the balcony. so we make a search to find the terrorists, checking every room, every people we cross. at that time we had a lot of people ask us to help them because they were wounded, bleeding and we have to say no, we have to find further terrorists. it was difficult for the guys,
for the men of the team because they have to do their best and you can't help the people. it overwhelms you. so we had to work on them and we can't do anything for them. >> you had to ignore the injured people for that moment? >> exactly. our task is to find -- as soon as we find the terrorists, you can ask the fire department to take care of the people. but first you have to find and freeze the situation. >> so your team goes upstairs into the balcony. >> exactly. on the left side. >> where did you find the terrorists? >> in the last door. it was a door, an access to the backstage on the balcony. we approach to the door and suddenly one of the terrorists on the stage, we don't know, asks us to go backwards, so i try to speak with them. and he told me that i want to negotiate. so i said, okay, give me a phone number. >> a portion of the interview with the extraordinary captain, the brigade leader, the head of
the assault team that went into that bataclan theater that night. imagine the sight he just described of a brightly lit theater with 700 to 800 people on the floor. as the song lyric says, some are dead and some are living. and it was probably very hard to tell at this moment. and no matter how much equipment, how much kevlar they were wearing, at the end of the day, their job was to engage those terrorists who eventually blew themselves up. much more of that interview, lester's conversation, an american exclusive tonight on nbc "nightly news." and with that, we go back to kate snow in paris. >> brian, i was at the bataclan earlier this afternoon. the flowers, there are just hundreds upon hundreds of them there. the name of the band is still up on the marquee. nothing has been moved since six days ago. when we come back, we're going to be talking about how counterterrorism efforts are coordinated between so many
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next week french president francois hollande will be traveling to both washington, d.c., and to moscow to help coordinate the fight against isis and ask for assistance. i want to bring in tricia bacon, assistant professor at american university in washington, also former state department counterterrorism able is. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> let me get right to it. you've got all these countries trying to coordinate not just the anti-isis effort but also an intelligence effort that we're seeing play out in realtime. you've got belgium coordinating with france and so many other countries. how difficult is that inter-country coordination? >> it can be very difficult.
it's probably not as difficult when it pertains to the investigation under way in paris. there will be a really extensive sharing and information that goes along with every country seeking to figure out what information they have in their files, what leads they might have in sharing those pretty robustly. the second element of what they're trying to do is discern if there are any ongoing plots and anything they need to be doing to detect and thwart those efforts. that intelligence effort is also under way. many different countries will have many different pieces of the puzzle. they may not know which pieces are most important or which can put it together for another service. it can be difficult to discern what information can be shared immediately and how that fits into the larger picture that we're dealing with. >> today, for example, the french said that they had learned from some outside country that abaaoud was back here potentially in the outskirts of paris. that information came to them from some other country. the big question -- excuse me --
sorry, we've got jokers here. the big question is how was he able to slip through with no other intelligence agency telling anyone until so late? >> the challenges that we face in terms of collecting information on the people going in and out of syria are enormous. the scope of the problem is one of the main issues that we have, trying to track these thousands of people that have left their home countries to go to syria and then are traveling around to different places and are sometimes returning home. the scope of that problem is really overwhelming. so there's an effort to try and track all of these people but there's bound to be holes in some of these efforts. in addition, the information that different intelligence agencies had is a variability. so information that has in the past appeared to be helpful if paid attention to before the fact but at the time it's not
always credible how information is because there's such a vast amount of noise going on in terms of the flows of different fighters to and from syria and in terms of what isis is plotting and what it is planning to do. >> we're also hearing so much about encryption and the way that isis fighters are potentially communicating with each other. are western intelligence agencies up to snuff on that? can they decode these messages? >> it's very interesting because isis has engaged in a concerted effort to try to determine the most secure means of communication. in contrast, you'll remember that uvl, osama bin laden talked about wanting to avoid technology, wanting to use couriers to pass information because he was concerned that intelligence services could collect. isis has gone the opposite route which is to invest in understanding the different technologies it can use to communicate securely and spread that among its supporters. it faces a steep challenge trying to stay apace with isis,
stay apace to what mechanisms it's using to communicate and what inscription it's using and it will require the kind of cooperation that happened after the paris attacks. there's a window for great cooperation and extensive share. we're in a period that's quite possible to establish the ability to penetrate if different systems are working together and if technology companies are willing to work with services as well. >> all right, tricia bacon, thanks so much for being with us. still ahead, syrian refugees seeking asylum at the u.s. border. a political flashpoint back home. i'd steer clear. really? really. straight talk. now based on your strategy i do have some other thoughts... multiplied by 13,000 financial advisors it's a big deal. and it's how edward jones makes sense of investing.
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patrol agents in laredo, texas, asking for political asylum. the story immediately got the attention of presidential candidate donald trump who tweeted, quote, eight syrians were just caught on the southern border trying to get into the u.s. isis maybe? i told you so. we need a big and beautiful wall. again, those are the words of donald trump. mark potter following this from our miami bureau. what do we know? >> u.s. officials are indicating that this is highly unlikely to be related to terrorism. the eight syrians were not trying to sneak into the united states. the department of homeland security describes them as family members, two sets of parents and four children who had come through mexico, then went to an official port of entry at the border, at the gateway to the americas bridge in laredo, texas. they presented themselves openly to customs agents asking to
enter the country. after being processed, they were detained, the usual procedure and were taken to holding facilities. the two women and four children to a family facility in dilly, texas. the two men to a detention facility in pearsall, texas. they'll go through the natural immigration review process. meantime, in central america, in honduras and tegucigalpa five men were detained after carrying phony greek passports after passing through several countries to get there. a honduran official said their ultimate goal appears to have been gone through honduras, guatemala and mexico en route to the u.s. border. a common immigration route. authorities have been told by interpol, the international police agency, that so far they have found no link between these men and any terror organizations. four are actually described as students, but they are still
being held. they'll have a court hearing this weekend as the investigation in honduras and elsewhere continues into exactly what they were doing and what their intentions were. kate? >> mark potter reporting from miami. mark, thanks so much. as we speak, the homeland security committee of the senate is holding a hearing on the impact isis is having on refugee resettlement. it comes just hours after the house of representatives passed a bill to block syrian and iraqi refugees and make it more difficult for them to enter the u.s. unless they're personally secured by u.s. officials. the bill passed with 47 democrats joining republicans supporting the bill. president obama has promised to veto the measure. joining me from capitol hill, correspondent kelly o'donnell. a lot of activity on the hill today, kelly. >> this issue is as hot as it can be on capitol hill, kate. it is coming in a couple different ways. you have the house passing this measure that would make it
harder for refugees to come into the u.s. unless they're personally vetted by those cabinet level officials. that got a lot of democratic support. then on the senate side there is a bipartisan move, although mostly democratic at this point, to take a look at the visa program that the u.s. has with about three dozen countries where there is an ability to visit the united states with less of the sort of bureaucrat ic steps that we see involved. there's concern that that is actually a path to getting into the country, especially if you have a european passport and you had have affiliation with some terrorist group, that you could get into the u.s. with much less sort of checking. that's something that lawmakers say really needs to be tightened up. we heard today from senator dianne feinstein who described how this visa issue could be a threat. >> they don't need a traditional visa to travel here, and therefore, undergo less scrutiny. this means terrorists could
exploit the program, could go from france to syria as 2,000 fi fighters have done, go back to france, use the visa waiver program and without scrutiny come into the united states. >> on the issue of refugee resettlement, democrats in the senate and many in the house believe that the u.s. has to have an open door if refugees are properly screened to come into the united states. republicans are saying that we need to have a pause button for this because when there was testimony from the fbi director and even to some degree the head of homeland security, they could not assure the congress that the vetting system is flawless. in fact, the fbi director said that there have been some problems. secretary johnson of homeland security said it's a thorough process. it takes 18 to 24 months. republicans joined by about three dozen, maybe four dozen democrats, said they want to see that put on pause. chances are the president, who
has already issued a veto threat, will not even have to look at that bill because it may not go forward in the senate. but it gives you the idea that both lawmakers here in both parties are trying to figure out some way to pond to what happened in paris by making some changes to how our system work. kate? >> and kelly, to put a point on it, when you look at how many democrats in the house voted for that measure, that really tells you something. >> it's a significant sign that, even after the president said he would veto this, that that many democratic lawmakers said this is something that they need to pursue. it gives you a sense -- we've talked to lawmakers who say the phones have been ringing off the hook in their offices with citizens and constituents saying they're worried about this. so it's one of those things that there's the bureaucracy that's an issue, that some people don't believe it will be good enough to vet all of those who might want to come into the country. other lawmakers say that process for refugees takes so long, the
more urgent matter is dealing with visas and making changes there. anyone who visited syria or iraq in the last five year was have to go through a special level of screening. all of this raises the issue that it is possible to get into the united states without, you know, without all the scrutiny that people might want. as low as that risk is, right now it's a heightened sense of concern about that. kate? >> right. kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. thanks so much. we'll take a quick break, come back to paris and talk more. yeah. that's the one right? we forgot dave! thank you. so, can the test drive be over now? maybe head back to the dealership? it's practically yours, but we still need your signature. the sign then drive event. zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first months payment on a new tiguan and other select volkswagen models.
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kelly? >> yeah, that's right. just this evening there was yet another raid in eastern france about 145 miles from paris in a town called charleville-mezieres. this started about three hours ago. and police going in. no specifics on what they were looking for there or whether or not this raid is directly linked to the paris attacks. it was conducted under france's state of emergency which allows investigators and police to go into some of these suspected homes without an official warrant. they're looking for any evidence of jihadi networks or illegal weapons. the number of raids that they've conducted over the past six days or so is immense. 600 raids since friday, seizing more than 80 weapons, some military grade and arresting 60 people. so yet another one of these raids today in eastern france, but no firm details on what they were looking for.
meantime in belgium today, more raids and searches as well. nine raids and searches. nine arrests there. police there really focusing on that brussels neighborhood, molenbeek. so many did come from that specific suburb. nine raids there in connection to one of the suicide bombers from the stadium attack here in paris, bilal hadfi. we hadn't heard much about him, but he was one of the attackers that blew himself out in front of the stade de france. we believe there were three additional raids linked to the paris attacks today in belgium, but again nine raids, nine arrests there. so that investigation ongoing in belgium. adding to that, by the way,
there's still this suspect on the loose. salah abdelsalam. today belgian police trying once again to put out an appeal for information. this kind of video appeal on their website, again reiterating that this man is armed and dangerous potentially. not to approach him but to please give any information to find him. as we know no sign of him, no reports of him since the early morning hours after the attack when he was stopped on the belgian/french border before there was an alert for him. still looking for salah abdelsalam. >> kelly cobiella reporting here from paris. thanks for bringing us up to speed. the news that the paris attack organizer was killed here in paris is raising serious concerns about how he got here and french intelligence. people want to know how he
traveled from syria where we thought he was living back to the outskirts of paris. let me bring in melissa bell, she's with the news channel here in paris. this is the key question. when we learned that he'd been eliminated, i said to brian earlier in the hour, people -- this was a sigh of relief that thank goodness they got him. but an immediate question mark. >> almost raises as many questions as it answers. this is a man for whom there's an arrest warrant out, who is being actively looked for by belgian forces. he's been looked for for the attacks that happened just about the same time as charlie hebdo. he was wanted in connection with four of the last six attempts. this is the man police were looking for and were absolutely aware of. but france's interior minister said something interesting. at no point had any other
european country told them that he was there. they don't have any border controls at all. what we discovered is they're not very good at sharing the intelligence that should go along with the borders. abdelhamid abaaoud who was killed in the raid was one man who went to syria and came back under the noses of european intelligence services but so too were two of the french bombers killed on friday night. they were known to have gone to syria even though they were under judicial control and also returned. how could this have happened? this is extraordinary. going back to european intelligence and sharing of information. it will be something very much on the agenda tomorrow. they'll meet and talk about specifically that. they have been dealing a great deal with the idea of reinforcing europe's external borders to deal with the refugee crisis.
now they're talking about reinforcing europe's external borders but also furthering their ability to communicate amongst themselves so that this schengen space can be safe. >> that term you're using is named after the treaty. >> it is part of europe, britain's not part of it. >> the european union. >> you can cross borders. >> i wanted to ask you about that. we were talking during the commercial break. you can travel, i can get in a car and pretty easily travel to belgium. >> what is what the eighth attacker did. there's no passport check. salah abdelsalam. he's now being called the eighth attacker. there may be a ninth one out on the loose. but he's certainly france's most wanted man at the moment. what we know about him for now is that at some point on friday night, for reasons we don't quite understand that, he didn't explode his belt. his brother did, he did not. he rang a couple of friends in
belgium and had them come fetch him in the early morning hours. but they were stopped by belgian authorities and because french authorities didn't tell them they were looking for him, they let him go. this is a guy who is still out on the loose and is active here on friday, one of the ringleaders of the operation and he's still out on the loose somewhere in europe. >> which is a scary thing to think about. up next, world war isis. "time" magazine, a new cover taking an in depth look at where isis could strike next. across america, people...
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never send our sons and daughters to war under false pretense. it is clear that the united states must pursue policies to destroy the brutal and barbaric isis regime, but we cannot and should not do it alone. >> meanwhile, democratic front-runner hillary clinton laid out her strategy to combat isis in new york. >> our goal is not to deter or to contain isis but to defeat and destroy isis. >> for more on clinton's speech and all politics we turn to nbc's kristen welker. hi. >> that's right, secretary clinton called for more robust strategy to combat isis than the white house currently has in place. take a look at some of the things she called for today, kate. it includes more airstrikes. more special operations forces
if needed. i tried to get an exact number or at least a cap, what the cap would look like. officials with her campaign wouldn't give that. they say at this point they haven't determined those figures. she also called for more support. >> kristin? so sorry. >> as well as more countermeasures to counter the propaganda. kate, back to you. >> kristen, so sorry to interrupt you. that's attorney general loretta lynch speaking in washington alongside fbi director james comey. they're making opening remarks about homeland security. let's listen in. >> stand in solidarity with the people of france at this difficult time. we are committed to providing any and all assistance to our allies in europe and around the world as we all face this global threat. we've made that commitment clear not just with our words but our actions. the department of justice, the fbi and other agencies are in close contact with french authorities through our international legal assistance channels to provide support to
the french in their ongoing investigation, to coordinate strategies with them and to advance our shared efforts as we obtain further information that may be relevant to these attacks. now we're operating on an expedited basis as well to ensure that the victim assistance professionals at the department of justice and the fbi are able to assist the victims and their family. we've also expanded the fbi's legal attache office in paris to offer assistance on an as-needed basis. and we have personnel working day and night for any additional assistance. earlier today president obama spoke on phone with president hollande about the investigation and to reaffirm our partnership in the fight against terrorism. of course, our highest priority is and will remain the security of our homeland and the safety of all americans. at the department of justice, we are operating around the clock as we have since 9/11 and even
before to uncover and disrupt any plot that takes aim at our people, our infrastructure and our way of life. we take all threats seriously. we're acting aggressively to defuse in fact, since 2013 we h charged more than 70 individuals for conduct related to foreign fighter interest and homegrown violent extremism. we continue to take robust actions to monitor and thwart potential extremist activity. now the department of justice and the fbi are working closely with the department of homeland security, with the broader intelligence community and our partners around the world in all of these efforts. and we're bringing every resource in the service of our mission. now, i think it's important to note, as we do this work, we are guided obviously by our commitment to the protection of the american people. also, by our commitment to the protection of our american values, which include timeless principles of inclusivity and
freedom that have always made this country great. we need to say we will not let our actions be overtaken by fear. we will not allow mer xhant of violence to rob us of our most prees precious ideals. our values are not second consideration in fight against terror. they are essential to the work we do and to the nation we protect. they are also the reason we are a target and they are what terrorists most to seek to have us abandon. they want us to live in fear, and we refuse. they want us to change who we are, what makes us quintessentially american, and that we will never do. and now, i'll turn the microphone over to the director of the fbi, jim comey, to a few remarks as well. >> thank you, madam attorney general. i'd like folks to know three things. how we think about the threat, what we're doing about it, and what you should do as a citizen in this great country of ours. first, the threat. we are not aware of any credible
threat here of a paris-type attack, and we have seen no connection at all between the paris attackers and the united states. isil and its supporters put out all kind of propaganda, individual joez magazines, but that is not credible intelligence. of course we investigate all propaganda threats. but instead, the threat here focuses primarily on troubled soles in american being inspired or enabled online to do something violent for isil. we have stopped a lot of those people this year, especially leading up to july 4th, and there are others we worry about and cover across the country using all of our lawful tools. that's how we think about the threat. second, what are we doing about the threat? taxpayers of this country have invested a lot of their money in building i national counterterrorism capability since 9/11 and that has built something very strong. we are not perfect but we are
good. starting minutes after the paris attacks on friday, we did four things. first, we began looking for connections between paris and here. second, we made sure that we were tightly connected with our state and local partners, that they knew everything we knew, and that they were as energized as we are. third, we began covering every tip and every lead immediately, and we have continued that to this moment. and last, we have made sure that our over 100 joint terrorism task forces are focused intensely on our investigations. in fact, that they have taken them up a notch. that is very hard work. but we are very fortunate to have the help of state and local partners around the country. together, we are watching people of concern using all lawful tools. we will keep watching them. if we see something we will work to disrupt it. that's what we're doing about it. last, what should you, people of the united states, do in response to this threat? most important thing i think is
do not let fear become disabling. that is what terrorists want. they want you to imagine them in the shadows, imagine them as something greater than they are. instead, we hope that you will turn fear into healthy awareness of what's around you. if you something something that gives you a bad feeling, tell somebody in law enforcement. since september 11th, we have really worked to get ourselves organized in such a way that if you walk up and tell any police officer in this country, any deputy sheriff in this country that you saw something, didn't seem right, heard something something that didn't seem right or read something online that seemed off that information will get to the right people immediately. you can count on it. we will check it out. if it's nothing no harm done. if it's something, great harm may be avoided. but counterterrorism is what you pay us to do. tell us how you go on living your life while we do our work. that is channeling fear into
something healthy. awareness of your surroundings not something disabling, that's what we heap you will do. thank you, madam attorney general. >> thank you all. >> listening to the beginning of a briefing there in washington, it's a briefing for reporters. sitting around the table, that was fbi director james comey, before him, attorney general loretta lynch, speaking to reporters. now they're going into a closed-door session and take questions from reporters including pete williams who is in the room. as soon as they're done, we'll of course have pete tell us about the content of their closed door discussions. but we did hear a couple of interesting things. fbi director saying pointedly, there is no known connection of what happened here in paris and the plot here and attacks here and anything in the united states, saying there's not a connection that they're aware of, saying there are no credible threats at this time against any place in the united states. also, at the end, he said don't
let fear become disabling. ari melber, msnbc chief legal correspondent, is with us back in new york. ari, he also said that they are using every tool they can, i think the words were, using all of our lawful tools to help with the intelligence gathering. >> that's right. lawful tools, kate, include something that director comey has been emphasizing for some time arc certificative and proactive attempt to arrest and detain and prosecute anyone who might be a sympathizer with isis. on the security front, we just heard the fbi director say they don't see a paris-style risk here in the u.s. what they see is the idea people, young and in their teens, might become radicalized and try to act inspired by isis. attorney general lynch saying 70 prosecutions for that kind of thing, either homegrown, fighting, foreign fighters since 2013. so that's what the feds are doing here. their message, as you say, telling americans don't be
afraid, don't be overly fearful and certainly don't let terrorists change our way of aer of life. a message we've heard from administrations in both parties over the years since 9/11. but making it clear that they have a robust framework. one other point, kate, in this pen and pad brief, as they call it the next step as you reported, we expect some back and forth around policy. i can tell you, fbi director comey and his staff have been telling reporters and anyone who will listen for months that they're worried about what's called going dark, not getting enough intelligence from encryption, an issue reported on this week, and companies like apple that use technology innovations to prevent the government from getting material even when it does have a warrant. that's not a civil liberties issue but more of a corporate regulation issue. i would not at all be surprised if that issue comes up in the closed door briefing. >> all right. i want to also bring in the foreign editor for "time" magazine, brian walsh, with us because we want to talk in part
about the new cover of "time" magazine. we showed earlier. it's quite a dramatic, it says "world war isis" on the lower right. as you listened to the fbi director and you listened to the attorney general reassuring americans that everything's okay, that was their main message there, tell me about the reporting that you've done for the new edition of "time" about the threat. >> i'd say we'd say that everything is not okay exactly. we have, you know, michael moral righting about the fact that isis will at some point attack the homeland. of coursing we don't know exactly when. we don't know how great that threat is it does not compare to what we had seen in europe where you have hundreds of european citizens who have gone to syria and iraq, come back, who do pose a threat, and you also have i think intelligence system which we report is not up to the same standards of the u.s. it's outmanned we see that especially in the case of belgium and it's creating a huge, i think, lack of capacity there that's going to threaten
france and the rest of europe. >> and, bryan, in terms of what can be done, what are next steps? are there thoughts among your reporters, analysts that you've been talking about about what to do make our intelligence systems better? >> i think in the case of europe, you need to have a better system of information sharing. right now it's fairly easy to move people, goods and including guns across the borders of europe. hard to move information. that can change, hopefully that will make a difference, track the next attack before it occurs. when it comes to doing with isis in iraq and syria, there are no really good options right now. of course you'll see stepped up air strikes, i think, you may see i think stepped up special force strikes as well. but the president has ruled out the idea of large numbers of u.s. ground troops on the ground there you're also dealing with a region where you have a lot of different plays, top priority is not defeating isis, whether it's assad who benefits from isis, he
looks better by comparison, until you can change that, it's going to have difficult, i think to build a coalition that can effectively take out isis. >> all right. bryan walsh with "time" magazine, appreciate it. to remind viewers, back to washington as soon as the closed door briefing with reporters ends. it's called pen and pad. people in there asking questions of the fbi director and the attorney general and as soon as we get information out of there, we'll bring that to you. for now, we want to start back again at the top of this hour, 4:00, new york, and remind you what we know this hour. here's the news that we have at this hour from paris. the biggest headline of the day is that french authorities confirmed earlier today that, indeed, abdelhamid abaaoud, the suspected organizer of last friday's deadly attacks here in paris, has been killed in a raid yesterday in the northern suburbs of paris. they identified his body, we're told, by fingerprints only, because the body was badly
destroyed in that attack, in that raid. there are a lot of questions, as we've just been discussing, about how abaaoud was able to get into france. he is a zealot from belgium. he has bragged about his ability to travel freely within europe and go back and forth between syria and europe. he even recruited his own brothering a 13-year-old, to the cause of isis and has been linked to several failed plots here in europe over the past months. in addition, we learned more today about the woman, the young woman who blew herself up with an explosive belt yesterday morning when the raid went down in saint-denis. what we know about her is not too much but we know that she comes from a home near paris, her mother's home has been raided today or at least visited today we should say by police.
that's a new photo that we have of her. there is also some new video from yesterday's raid in which you hear her talking about and forth loudly with a police officer trying to entice the police to come closer to her. she seems to be doing. she says, i'm scared, i'm scared. i want to get out of this apartment. police apparently barricaded the door. we've heard prior they put up something that would protect them from an explosive blast and she wanted to come out of the apartment presumably to do more harm when she set off the explosive vest. be belgian police looking for salah abdeslam, one attacker being part of friday's attack and still has not been located. so they put out an alert about him, saying he's armed and extremely dangerous. and back here, we also learned
this afternoon that some 600 raids or searches have been executed since all of this began last friday night. i'm going back to brian williams now at headquarters in new york. >> kate snow on what is becoming a perfectly awful night in paris, matching the weather across the east coast in the u.s. about these raids, and the number has grown so significantly, searches and raids going on. in france mostly, but also belgium, also germany. a number we expect to spread to spain before we're all done, perhaps italy. nbc's kelly cobea yeah live in paris looking into this some more. kelly? >> reporter: good afternoon, brian. yes, truly a europe-wide investigation at this point. the latest search/raid is happening this evening or at least started a couple of hours
ago in charleville-mezieres, that's about 145 miles from paris, it's on the fren french/belgian boarden in eastern france. police went into the site using ex-pleasives, exploeding the door, using explosives to open the door, i should say, they're not telling us what they're looking for or what specifically this raid is about. they are conducting it under france's state of emergency which allows them to go into a lot of these suspect homes or places without getting a search warrant. all they would say is that this -- that they are looking for evidence of jihady networks or illegal weapons on a lot of raids and search, and that's about as much as we know about this raid along the french/belgian board. interesting it's that border, that was the last sighting -- not this specific town necessarily -- but that was the last place where salah abdeslam was spotted.
in the early hours of saturday morning after the attacks, stopped by police, questioned briefly, but allowed to carry on because he -- there was simply no alert out for him yet. also, there have been raids in belgium today. nine more raids there. nine arrests, many of them centering around brussels, this neighborhood which we've seen much about over the past few days. six of those raids in connection with the suicide bomb er hadfi, one of the suspected bombs are friday night. we understand reportedly traveled to syria and there are some reports, unconfirmed by nbc news, that he was radicalized within the past couple of years in belgium. so three additional raids on top of that, on top of the raids in connection with hadfi those
raids linked to paris attacks. a lot of activity in belgium and france today, brian, and again, yet another alert being put out by belgian authorities for salah abdeslam, again, the man suspected of being an accomplice to the attackers, not directly involved in the attack but police reminding the public that he is extremely dangerous, should not be approached but calling out an appeal for any kind of information that would lead them to him. >> kelly cobiella in france. added sadness, laura hime is with us, the united states bureau chief in france. laura, about this abaaoud, ring lead, the news we woke to in this country, news that broke this morning, that he was indeed killed in the raid in north of
paris, how much did the french know about his presence in their midst? >> they knew, and that's why it's going to become a huge story for the french intel against, what happened, why didn't -- it's absolutely fascinating to put all of that together. we have in the past received a lot of information about abaaoud. if you let me explain what happened, it can give you, brian, a lot of details about abaaoud in the way he was to travel probably to france, belgium, greece, syria in the past two years. 2014, according to my sources, he was in belgium, and then he began to radicalize his wrounger brother at the time, 13 years old and kidnapped his younger
brother, and went so syria. the father of the two boys went to the police and said, i want to tell you that i did away with my sons, i'm shocked. abaaoud didn't come back. his brother, 13, began the youngest jihadist in europe. then after that, in january 2015, and that's the key of the whole story, ten days after the charlie heb due attack, the thought, abaaoud was there, some people were arrested but he escaped. and then a few weeks after he promoted himself in newspaper saying, ha, ha, ha, look how i escaped all over europe. at this time the french believe he was in syria. then in august, there's a man that the french arrested and the
man was arrested, come to paris, questioned by the french authorities, said to french authorityings, i met abaaoud, he asked me to blow myself up, he gave me money, blow myself up. this man was arrested and police alered then they lost abaaoud they didn't know where he was. then last sunday -- that's very interesting -- after the attacks, according to my sources, a man went to the police and said to the police, i saw abaaoud is in paris and i'm going to talk to you. the police, of course, french intelligence were on alert and they decided to wiretap the cousin of abaaoud, they knew this woman, they had multiple
information about her and because of the wiretapped the phone of this woman they were able to locate abaaoud because she was talking to the phone. 24 hours later there was the raid. the question, how did this guy manage to go from syria to france, he was again looked by a lot of services, belgian services, intelligence agency but what happened, we don't know. and the explanation of one of the investigators is the following one, in the fall of syria, you have to remember that country's falling down, the whole structure of the country, which is falling down, and apparently in raqqah you have the city hall falling down, taken down by isis fighters. according to my sources, they found a lot of virgin passports.
apparently in cities in syria, he's taking those passports, which are completely virgin because it's a regular city hall, they have papers, and put the names in the passports so the people want to commit terrorist attack can come to europe and do certain things. >> this is the scary part of modern day travel, when it collides with terrorism. laura haim, thank you for that chronolo chronology. this brings us to cal paerry, you're been following the same story. a terrorist bragging in magazine of isis, there is such a thing, about his own actions. >> yes. flaunting what he was able to do in the face of authorities that knew he was coming. we're also trying to digitally unpack this family now. we know the female suicide bomber in that raid last night
is a cousin of abaaoud. first one from belgian media, uploaded to social media site, they say, in june. second one from the daily mail. this is the first time we're showing viewers this. this is a selfie with two of her friends. and that brings us to late last night. this raid in saint-denis, the back and forth between the authorities as they breached that building and her. it will finish with the sound of her exploding her suicide vest. . . >> we know this is a cousin of abaaoud, it's possible, you have second, third, fourth cousins they could have been boyfriend
and girlfriend. abaaoud was on social media trying to recruit other female jihadists from spain. >> what a grisly business. kate snow in paris, epicenter, the reason for all of this intensified manhunt and the coverage of the modern face of terrorism. kate? >> that's right, brian. we're going it turn now to what's happening in washington because of what's happened here in france. back in washington, the house of representatives today, as we mentioned, passed a bill this afternoon to block syrian and iraqi refugees from entering the united states unless personally approved by national security officials. the bill passed 289-137, that's 47 democrats joining republicans in supporting the bill. president obama, however, has vowed that he's going to veto that measure. at this hour, the senate homeland security committee is holding a hearing on the impact
isis is having on refugee resettlement. joining me now, a member of that committee, at the hearing, republican senator from ohio, rob portman with us. good to see you again. >> kate, great to be on with you again. >> so, let me ask you, senator, you are running for your seat again next year, running for re-election. on your campaign website it very clearly says that you call for an immediate halt for the resettle me resettlement of syrian refugees. >> you know, my opinion was formed not after paris but even before paris when we had a hearing last month the director of the fik told us, with regard to syrian refugees they did not have adequate intelligence, there were gaps to be able be sure who these people were, what they intended to do in the country. that makes sense, when you think about it, compared to iraq,
people on the ground who could do intelligence, background searches, a government cooperating and working with us. with regard to syria, as the fbi director said, we have gaps there, department of homeland security also came and virtually said the same thing. that's our concern, is that we want to be sure there's a process in place to be able to properly vet these people before they come on our shores. >> the obama administration has said, again and again, that they believe the process is a good one. one refugee who recently came over to the united states wrote about her process of coming over. i want to quickly quote her. she said you have to submit all documents, birth certificates, i.d.s, driver's licenses, passports, old utility bills. if you're displaced, you have to have proof you're displaced, the house was burned, you have squatters, names with all family members dead and alike, friends, neighbors, teachers, everyone. is that not a thorough enough process, senator?
>> i think we need a thorough process, we need to ensure there is one and that's what the house bill says. another example, as you know, recently in cincinnati, the 6th circuit affirmed conviction against two iraqi refugees who came in under this type of program. remember, the iraqi refugees came in with even more intelligence behind them because we had more resources on the ground there these two individuals committed terrorist act here in the united states, actually in kentucky, bowling green, kentucky, in the heartland, and just convicted of in fact saying they wanted to kill among others an american army captain in the united states with a bomb. so we do have instances where there has been a process and it has not been thorough enough to avoid the problem. all we're saying is let's be sure the american people were safe. s that that has to be the first objective now. we live in a dangerous world. we should be providing more opportunities for them to stay in their own country, first, that's why i support the no-fly zone and have some safe zone where they can stay there.
we should be helping the united nations high commissioner refugee unchr, you know the good work that they do. america's a generous country, we need to be generous. we have to ensure that we are ensuring we are safe here. that's not just the refugee program. it's the visa waiver program, the regular visa program, it's people coming here illegally. we had two instances in the last 24 hours, one coming to honduras, intending to come to the u.s. two families on the border today, border with mexico and texas. so this is a multi-pronged effort but we have to be sure in all of these instances, if we are able to protect the american people at this dangerous time. >> senator, i want to just pause for one moment if you don't mind if you can bear with ups john kerrying secretary of state, speaking to reporters after the closed door briefing with senate intelligence committee. we want to listen in for a moment and nen come back to you.
>> creating this transitional process for syria itself. the syrians themselves will negotiate that. it will help in ways that we can, encourage the process. but it's syrians who have to decide the future of syria itself. with respect to daesh, president obama ordered increased efforts, has been doing that before the paris attacks over the course of the last months, increased efforts, and we're seeing results of those. in ways some of which i could only describe in the room to the intelligence committee, these people are seeing publicly with communities being liberated with additional players who are coming to the battle and flying out, engaged with people on the ground. so we have to be patient. and i think it's important to remember what franklin roosevelt said about the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
in america, we understand who we are, we know what our values are, and here we know what our interests are. and i'm confident if we stay steady, keep our heads in thinking creatively but also being strong and committed to our fundamental values, we're going to defeat daesh. we always said it will take time. we began our fight against al qaeda in 2001, and it took us quite a few years before we were able to eliminate osama bin laden and the top leadership and neutralize them as an effective force. we hope to do daesh much faster. we think we have an ability to do that. that's the effort. we're going to continue. thank you all. >> can i get your reaction to
the house bill? syrian refugees saying they no longer want refugees to come here because they're worried about national security. >> we're all worried about national security. there isn't anybody who isn't worried about national security, which is why, long ago, we put in place the strongest vetting requirements of any country in the world. we've had 785,000 refugees come into this country in the last -- since 2009, i think, and of that only 12 people were either arrested or deported at some point in time, and none of them attacked anybody in this country. so we do not have to lose our values in terms of our ability to vet people and to know exactly who they are, where they're coming from. and nobody can tell me that we don't have the ability to look at a grandmother who has come out of a country in war torn situation with her grandkids or something and not be able to determine whether or not those
people represent a threat or don't represent a threat. out of of the entire total of refugees let into our country since 2009, only 2% were male of a fighting age similar to those people who are picking up the battle in syria. so we just, you know, it's inappropriate for america, of all countries in the world, to panic and to somehow turn our backs on our fundamental values. we have the ability to check on the background checks, on the -- it takes, by the way, 18 months to 2 years to do a background check on one refugee. that's how much effort goes into it. i hope we continue do that. thank you all very much. appreciate it. thank you. >> secretary of state john kerry, capitol hill there, speaking after a briefing with the senate intelligence committee. to senator rob portman, standing
by. at the end there, he was talking about the refugee program and he said, it's inappropriate to panic. he seems to be saying that you and some who are concerned are panicking. >> well, i think he was careful not to criticize the house people, i noticed. it has a veto proof majority, people are concerned about the safety and security of their constituents which is appropriate. you heard the 2% figure, i've been hearing that a lot today, saying 2% of refugees are men of a fighting age. that is actually not an accurate statistic in the sense that he's talking about single men, if men are attach to a family, they're not included. there are more men than women who have come in from syria. i'm not suggesting that the refugee vetting process is not already in place. however, we know that we do not have the intelligence we need to properly vet them. and that's what we've been told by the experts. by the secretary of homeland security, by the director of the fbi, who specifically in
response to questions i asked six weeks ago, and repeated since, said we don't have the information to be able to know who these people are. that's what we're concerned been let's get that information. this is about ensuring that at this dangerous time we know who's coming into our country, what their intentions are. >> can i quickly ask you about the other remark he made when we first went to his remarks. he was talking about, he called it daesh or isis or -- >> that was interesting. >> well, daesh is interesting, because that is a term that's a bit pejorative, i believe, in arabic. perhaps that's why he's choosing to call that. i wonder if you agree when secretary kerry says we're doing all we can, i can't talk about all of it public, i can talk about it only behind closed doors. is the united states doing all it can? >> well, no, we aren't. and this is the problem with just focusing on refugees is we're not getting to the root cause. why are there 4 million people
who have left syria? why are there 50,000 people killed by their own government including horrendous barrel bombs, seeing evidence of, it's because the united states has not led in the sense that we do a red line, you recall, in syria, chose not to hon that red line. we have not been actively engaged with partners in the region to try to keep refugees safe, by providing no-fly zone, some safe haven for them. now the president has said he thinks what we've been doing is fine. well, it has created these problems which are now fan festing themselves in the refugee crisis in europe and even here in this country now with this discussion we're having on refugees. so, i think we can do more, kate. i think we can be more aggressive in terms of bombing. interestingly, we provided the french intelligence to do the bombing in raqqah this week, not our own fighters. so we have the ability to be able to actually further degrade isis and we chose not to.
instead we gave intelligence to the french that we had and had not acted on. this is one example. i think we can step it up. i think we can get our partners including other sunni countries to do more, the turks, emirates, jordanians. this is what many of us have been calling for for some time. i think if we don't do that, it makes us less safe here in america. >> senator rob portman of ohio, thanks for being with us. >> thank you, kate. good to see you again. >> isis has made clear if it weren't clear before that it has set its sights on new york city as a target. now, intelligence agencies in france, the u.s., are investigating what capabilities isis might actually have to use chemical or biological weapons. new details coming up next. i am totally blind.
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today, u.s. defense secretary ashton carter sat down with an exclusive interview to describe the oefrt effort of ic as a war. >> we have to defeat isil. we will defeat isil. you saw the barberisms. it is something that must be defeated. >> you agree with the french president that we're at war? >> yeah. >> with isis. >> i think francois hollande said it very well. i'm glad french are galvanized in joining the fight now. >> the defense -- the secretary of defense's comments come as an isis video that we've mentioned threatening new york city has a lot of new yorkers on edge. today the chairman of the house homeland security committee also warned that new york city remains as ever the top target. >> i'm always worried about new york. i travel to new york periodically to check with the nypd and the fbi state and
locals. new york, washington, d.c., they're crying out for attacks now in these two cities. these are the two biggest targets in the united states. >> for the latest on security at home, we turn to nbc correspondent stephanie gosk. looks like she's in times square. raining there, too. >> reporter: yeah, raining hard here. you know, you listen to those words and you realize that you have two different wars going on here. in fact, you have the war against isis in syria and then you have the war against isis here at home. and that is really brought to bear in this video that was released yesterday by isis which is really at its core recruitment video. but unlike a recruitment video that has fighters and recruits to go to syria and fight the war there, this, instead, saying, become a suicide bomber where you are. the video ends with images
actually recycled images they've used before of new york city, also mentioned the uk and france as targets. there has been since that video's released something of a pr blitz to respond to it here in new york city where you had overnight the leaders of the city, mayor and the police commissioner, coming out at 11:00 to make sure a message got out for local news and again the mayor out today. we've been talking to people here passing through, whether visitors or people heading to work, asking them if this video, these attacks in paris, has changed their calculus on how they feel about new york city and times square. this is what they had to say. >> i walk through times square every time i'm in new york and i won't stop doing that. >> i'm not afraid to come here because of isis. i'm here. i need to keep doing my thing. the hell with isis.
>> reporter: really, that's not -- it's not that surprising to hear those sentiments because people who live in the city, kate, people who come to visit the city have known for a long time there united states a threat of terrorism but of course, in the wake of those attacks in paris, it has a lot of people thinking twice. kate? >> all right. stephanie gosk in a rainy times square, new york city. thanks so much. focus on national security comes as law enforcement agencies overseas and the u.s. investigating whether isis might be capable of 0 carrying out chemical or biological attacks, it's something suggested here in france earlier today by the prime minister. nbc investigative reporter bob windham joins us with that story. >> as within the last month, a confirmation by the u.n. agency charged with disposing of chemical weapons in syria that there was an actual attack on civilians by isis in august.
six people died, and they used mustard gas, which is probably at the bottom of the list of chemical weapons in terms of concern. the question is whether they are capable of getting others, things like nerve gas, sarin, used against the kurds, for example, and what we're being told is, they may have an interest in doing this, but we have got a -- an intelligence agency that is concerned more about the lower level than these chemical weapons because they are very difficult to actually manufacture. >> all right. bob windrem in new york. thanks for looking into that. as this city, paris, attempts to recover from friday's terror attack, many are wondering if france. counterterrorism tools are up to speed in facing a new threat like isis. i want to bring in ann.
a counter terrorism expert. we appreciate you being here with us. talk to me, first of all, what we were talking about is this idea biological or chemical weapons could be used and reporter reporting mustard gas has been used. >> they can create much more with let's say, regular weapons, like we can find on the phone, like kalashnikov, even explosive belt or jacket, it creates much more politically. in fact that kind of weapon, we're not sure they have. i want to say that the chemical
weapon is on the syrian side than the isis side. >> because of what existed prior in syria. in terms of france's response, we've been talking a lot today about the death of abaaoud and what that says about french intelligence, the counterterrorism effort in your country. >> well, it seems that those people from isis, we know very well we have lot of, let's say, faye ur in our approach. the european legal, because as you know, you can come from any country with the agreement -- >> all agreed to have open borders. >> the problem is, first of all, tern n external border, all come over,
not all country are using the same system or measure for securing the board. secondly, of course, we are too late in the way how come we travel the whole country, european countries, and it's well known, you know, make selfies on phones, even say what he's going to do, so let's take into consideration this kind of let's say even public intelligence. that we don't have to minimize this kind now, we a political class as understood. we hope that this time we will be able to react a bit more
quickly and to take the right decision. >> certainly a wake-up call for all of us. ann, thank you so much for being with us. pete william is our justice correspondent. we mentioned earlier in the hour, when we saw the attorney general speaking and the fbi director, that he was sitting at that table in that closed door briefing, when we last were there, pete, they closed the doors and you were able to ask questions. what happened then? >> right. well, to begin with, as you may have heard the fbi director said the u.s. knows of no connection between the paris attackers and anybody in the u.s., no signs of communication or travel. he said no signs of any paris-type threat to the u.s. and later refined that to say no indication of any kind of outstanding threat of credible threats known against the u.s. what he did say is what the fbi is doing in response to paris. intensebly monitoring people who he believes, the fbi believes, may have been potentially
recru recruited by isis to be homegrown extremists. something the fbi has been watching for the past year and a half. they're intensively watching a number of people, they said dodds, we've been told that number is 50. he said he had no comment on whether the u.s. gave any help to the french in their investigation. on the question of foreign travel, he said that he has seen no signs that isis members in the past days or weeks have tried to come from outside the u.s. to come here to carry out attacks. and on the question of foreign fighters, people from the u.s. going to syria and then coming back and potentially being a threat here, he said although we've often heard this number of 250 americans potential foreign fighters, he said the actual number of americans who have gone to syria, associated with isis, and then come back to the u.s. and are potentially
threats, is in the teens. that's the first time we've heard that the number is that small. and of course, that's a huge contrast to the problem in europe where just a couple of week ago the head of the national counter terrorism center said it's estimated 5,000 people have gone from europe to syria and back. and so finally, he said he was asked about this question about whether the fbi director could personally sign off on vetting foreign travel cases potential cases, refugees wanting to come to the u.s. he said it's very hard for any u.s. official to say that there is zero risk. finally, on this question of isis, people in the u.s. -- people in the u.s. trying to go to syria and join isis, he said the number of these foreign travel cases has actually been declining observe the past several months. kate? >> any discussion specifically
about new york or other cities, pete? i don't know if that came up at all. >> it didn't but he set the tone for that at the beginning by saying that he is aware of these propaganda videos but he said propaganda is not a threat. and he said there is no indication of any known threats to the u.s. in any form either of a paris-style attack or any other. he basically is brushing off these isis videos, just as new york officials are. sorry, kate. >> no, that's okay. thank you for being in the room. pete williams, our man covering the justice department. thanks so much. france do what it can to ramp up border security. but will efforts under way work with europe's open border policy?
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border security follow th paris attacks as open border policy comes unheavy scrutiny. i spoke to a french senator about this issue. if you're traveling from belgium to france you don't have that record. >> we do not have -- we are now pushing the member of europe and parliament and especially committee for freedom, that committee, to vote pnr, so we will be aware of other people crossing it. >> she was talking specifically about air travel between european countries. an op-ed in "the new york times" today making waves. former head of interpol calling europe's open borden system a welcome sign to terrorists, calling it effectively an international passport-free zone for terrorists to execute attacks on the continent and make their escape. i want to bring in olivia sterns here in paris with me following this part of the story. in the past couple of hours
weave gotten more information out of the french government. >> we have heard from the prime minister of france. the big news on the lead story on the two biggest papers in france is the government, kate, admitted they don't know how abaaoud got into the country, they don't know how the mastermind got into the couldn't trip specifically said it was not an intelligence failure, he's pinning the blame on border security. the issue, most of the suspects were in fact known to the norths and most were also traveling freely from eu countries on eu passports back and forth to territories controlled by islamic state either in syria and iraq. france is calling for to step up external border control security, so what happens when americans return home to jfk you get a bit of the what have you been doing, how long have you been gone? that's what's going to happen to eu citizens when they come to the checkpoint. when i arrive in france, if i was to go from greece over to france, they just look at your passport and wave you through. only 10%, according to the
interpol on p-ed, 10% have eu passports verified against interp interpol's database to see if it was stolen or fake. >> do you have to show a passport or some form of identification as -- if you're in a car driving across the boarder. >> definitely not necessarily. occasionally because of security situations they put a block on the road. most of the time, traveling from france, nobody's going to look at your passport. it's a means of transportation, one of the thing they're debating. france called an emergency meeting of ministers to debate, everybody's on board with the fact they have to step up the external border controls but it's controversial whether or not they should toughen up the national border, internal border. we heard from the head of eu migration, that official saying this is ridiculous, no way we're going back on the idea of open movement of people within europe. this i fundamental to the
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surveillance video you've probably seen, posted online by the dailymail.com. from security cameras inside a restaurant capturing terrifying moments for customers and workers as bullets were fired. >> reporter: as a couple sits having dinner friday night, glass suddenly shatters. a woman comes rushing into the restaurant, she's been shot in the wrist. she heads behind the bar. a man followed her in, his friends have been shot. in that red circle outside, a terrorist in a t-shirt, calmly shooting. at one point he approaches a woman on the patio and tries to shoot her. she later says, his gun jammed. he was out of ammunition. behind the bar, a waitress comforts the woman shot in the wrist. after two long minutes, they head to the basement. this is the restaurant, a quaint spot on a corner in a normally quiet neighborhood here in paris, this is and that video took place. you can still see bullet holes in the glass of the front door
there. if you look inside, you can see the tables still set and sort of eerie, because people left it as it was on that friday night. you also see in that video a lot of people crouching and ducking for cover. we've learned one of the people behind the bar who you see is samir the onwner of the restaurant. next to him a 20-year-old, his niece, jasmine. she had just come back from the united states, we're told that she was helping her uncle out here as a waitress that night and i learned about her from the man who owns the flower shop across the street. he was telling us their story and he asked to see the video and actually broke down watching it because it's so fresh for everyone in the neighborhood. but he wanted us to know that jasmine not only survived this in the restaurant, but then she ran out, went around the corner and ended up seeing a young woman, who was injured, badly
injured, and held her hand. jasmine, whose family from algeria, held the hand of an american who ended up passing away that night. people here in paris still bringing flowers out six days later to remember all of those lost. peter, born and raised in liverpool, england, came to see friends in the neighborhood and make sure they're okay. >> i also work as a university teacher, i was talking to some students yesterday, quite a few of them were shaken because a friend of a friend of a friend was at the concert theater, didn't come back. so my words to them at the end were, keep smiling, keep laughing. means we're winning. so i think that's my motivation at the moment. i'm going to keep on smiling. it doesn't take away sadness but it means that we can carry on living. >> reporter: no one inside the restaurant died by five people were killed on the street outside before the gunman drove
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who blew herself up in saint-denis yesterday. professor at georgia state university "bombshell, women and terrorism," profess, thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i guess the question with so much being learned about this woman yesterday who was obviously a terrorist, blew herself up, how is isis recruiting women in particular? >> women in particular have been their target audience because the way in which isis sees women is as a commodity, they use them to gift them to foreign fighters, attract men not only from all over the middle east but europe by promising them a wife, many wives, in fact. and so, to go after women partly because they need to populate the caliphate for the next generation. but also because they're using them almost as a commodity. >> are there specific characteristics that they're looking for, that they're targeting? type of women that they think
okay, this one might be someone who would help us? sm wel >> we've seen two different kind of women targeted one is a convert, a woman with a checkered past and capitalize on that by offering them a completely new life, ability to wipe the slate clean, reinvent themselves. we also see they go after very young women, these tend to be muslim girls high-achieving, straight-a students we've seen this with both uk students and women in france. >> how do you prevent the recruitment in the first place? so much of this is happening online. what do you tell parents out there who -- there are parent groups concerned about this. >> absolutely. and it's really challenging, on the first part that i would say is that parents always should control their children's passports. until they are 18 that child does not need to control his or her own passport. the second thing is also, we
need to warn children, the way we warn them about their online life and activity because we're afraid of pedestripedophiles th from isis are like pedophiles. they are exploiting our youth, luring them to syria and the fate that awaits them is worse than death. >> mia bloom, appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow, live in paris. coverage of terror in paris continues here on msnbc. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> good evening, from washington, this is "mtp daily" coverage of the paris terror attacks. the global response just in the last hour. we've heard from attorney general loretta lynch and fbi director james comey who spoke to reporters on camera and offcamera, declaring no connects between