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as we've talked so much in this week, these memorials are also signs of the resilience of the french people, of their determination to continue their lives. as we saw in that her, to find happiness in some way each day. thank for joining us. our coverage continues right ahead. i'm live in paris. "hardball" starts right now. \s. the terrorist ringleader is dead. this is "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington tonight we in the u.s. get confirmation that the police have killed abdelhamid abaaoud. the attack that slaughtered people last friday night. extending first-time pictures of last friday's attack, and a
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newly released recording of the hideout yesterday. meanwhile, law enforcement officials in the u.s. from the fbi to nypd says there's nothing to indicate that terrorism in france will lead to an attack here. yet concerns remain high. bill de blasio will be with us here on "hardball" to talk about how his city can save itself from terror. the isis fear has xwld up the political heat. hillary clinton and donald trump both based in new york are out there with their dueling attacks on isis. we well-gin tonight in paris, and the but any that last week's ringleader was killed. a french broadcast network released dramatic audio made by a neighbor. in it you hear police confronting a woman abaaoud's cousin who moments later blows
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herself up. [ gunfire ] . meanwhile, stunning video. dali dailymail.com. there you see the moment a gunman begins, as customers desperately run for covering. a different ainged shows employees ducking for cover. the most disturbing part of the video shows the gunman walking out and pointing a gun at a patron who is under the table. luckily the gun jams, the gunman walks away, the woman survives.
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kelly is there in paris. we finally have confirmation that abaaoud is dead. >> yeah, huge news today in paris, chris, a big victory for french security services and french intelligence getting this guy. i want to tell you about that particular raid at saint-denis. he described what happened yesterday morning as they went in. he said they went in about 4:16 in the morning. they didn't have an exact layout of the apartment building, but they knew where the front door was. he said they put explosive charges on the door, something didn't go right, they didn't blow the door in. he said they lost the element of surprise. he said they gave the people just enough time to arm themselves and put on explosive
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vests. he said once that happened, gunfire started, and he said it was an intense gun battle for a good 30 to 45 minutes. a gun battle inside this apartment building with these people. he said they used everything in their arsenal, he said, drones, robots, of course the police dog who died in that rate. he said if it weren't for the stupid door, his words, that stupid door, it would have been a dividend situation. at we know it that raid lasts more than seven hours. at the end of it, two suspected terrorists dead, abaaoud, of course and the fee mailed suicide bomber as well. this was such an intense and violent raid, we understand the floor of that apartment actually collapsed. it was extremely difficult, as we now know, to identify abaaoud, which which is why it took 24 hours to do it.
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>> one last question. how did abaaoud elude authorities. according to what you've seen he runs back and forth to syria. did he have phony passports? he wasn't running around on his own name, was he? >> this is the big question, this is what security services have to figure out in france and throughout europe. there have been lots of different reports, none of them confirmed yet that he had been spotted in different countries at different times. we understand he was in syria. we believes that was 20134, 2014, he may have come back to europe around 2014, but we don't have the exact timeline of his travel yet. this is something that the interior minister brought up today when he was talking, confirming abaaoud's death. you know, we need some sort of concerted effort europewide to share intelligence and share
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information about people coming into this country. different countries have different watch lists and they're not sharing information as much probably as they could in order to track some of these people. there are a lot of them, chris, but the interior minister's point once again was we've got to figure out a way to share intelligence a bit better. >> kelly, thanks for the report. this afternoon fbi director james comey and attorney general loretta lynch briefed reporters on the terror threat here in the u.s. here was director comey. >> we are not aware of any credible thread here of a paris-type attack. we've seen no connection with the paris attackers and the united states. isil and the supporters put out all kind of propaganda like video and magazine, but that was not credible intelligence. of course we investigate all those propaganda threats, but instead the threat here focuses
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primarily on troubled souls in america who are being inspired or enabled online to do something violent for isil. well, nbc's justice correspondent pete williams was at that briefing today. mete, thank you for joining us. why are they so confidence that there won't be a lone wolf attack in the next few days, even? >> they can only say what they know, chris. what they have been focused on all along in terms of the eye says threat is not the kind of thing we saw in paris, in essence a plan that's been produced interest and exported to another country, but rather the continued influence of isis propaganda here, finding people in the u.s. willing to carry out attacks. they believe that they have identified the number of people who are responding to those attacks, and they put that number today for the first time at the fbi director said dozens of those that the fbi believe
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are most inclined to want to follow along on isis' advice. that's what he says isis has doing, focusen intently ratcheting up the sir vailance. he also gave us other information today. he said the number of people believed to have gone from the u.s. to syria, associated with isis, and then come back to the u.s. is in the teens. we have heard for weeks this number 250 americans who have potential foreign fighters, but he says that's the number of people who tried to go and couldn't, who have gone and not come back, who have gone and not been killed. those who have been there and been with isis and came back is in the teens. such a contrast to this huge number of people estimated at 5,000 in western europe who have done that. and the other thing he told us is he has seen no indication that any isis members overseas
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have tried to come to the u.s. in the past days and weeks. >> that's all good news for us. thanks so much, pete williams. u.s. congressman michael mccaul, the chairman of the homeland security committee it says said the threats across new york and washington should be taken seriously. that's his call. irchlts always worried about new york. i travel to new york periodically to check with the nypd and fbi, state and locals. new york, washington, d.c., they're crying out for attacks right now in these two cities. these are the two biggest tarts in the united states. i think our sense of security has heightened, but i'm very worried, when you look at the number of arrests that have taken place, the 1,000 investigations in at 50 states that the fbi is conducting, and the return of foreign fighters to the united states, all ticking time bombs. this is a very high-threat
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environment. >> those comments echo a similar warning earlier this week from dianne feinstein. >> i've never been more concerned. i read the intelligence faithfully. isil is not contained, isil is expanding. they have just put out a video saying it is their intend to attack this country. i think we have to be prepared. >> well, michael schmidt is an report with "new york times." leaf, h leif, how do we put that together? based pong what happened in paris. then you have the politicians talking. feinstein is an impressive person, i don't know mccall very well, but they're talking about deep concerning. which is it? >> i think it's all
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unpredictable. you cannot -- look, the threat to new york remains steadfast before isis issued the video and after. new york city is probably the most desirable targets among jihadists worldwide. so we have to take the threat seriously, but it's not because isis released the video about it. they have recycled video before, but new york city remains the number one threat. they said so. >> i read something interesting in the "new york times" today. about the challenges that officials face monitoring home-grown terrorists. it scares me. for fbi agents, watching islamic state suspect in the u.s. is a study in anxiety. being an islamic state sympathizer is not against the law. neither is expressing hatred for the united states on twitter.
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buying guns is also legal. investigators have watched nervously as terrorism suspects passed background checks and purchased guns more than 2,000 times in the past decade, according to government data. we live in a free society. i think he wrote it very well there. we live in a free society. you put together access to guns, which we are notorious for, all of the freedom of assembly provisions, but one you commit a crime, all we can do it put the police tape out. >> the nra say they haven't been charged with anything, they're still under investigation, it's too general. >> why don't we give rifles to the men my in the field? they haven't shot at us yet. >> they say legally there's no way --
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>> i'm getting to the question. laws nvrsment has to apprehend a criminal. in the case of terrorism, these things are not done on the spur of the moment. people plan them. they do conspire to commit a crime. the crime is being committed. you just have to detect it. >> this is what the fbi does, they try to anticipate this. they have heavy surveyian, physical surveillance, and they're trying to figure out when are these going to commit the crime? when do we move in and get them. >> what i notice, laith, what we saw the other day with the french police going up against a reinforced door, they have to blow it apart, those people were ready to act, but the government couldn't act, the police couldn't act, so they forced the hand of the terrorism terrorists to defend themselves, and shoot back. it's so ironic that the police need a crime on the basis of this they can get emergency powers, use those emergency powers to rush these people and
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thereby force them to fight for their lives and expos the fact they have all the weaponry in the world, bombing equipment, thereby showing their hand. it's a weird kind of catch 22. >> look, the security forces have very legitimate reasons why they raided that apartment building. they didn't raid it out of a vacuum. they apparently had legitimate intelligence that led them to that exact location. i would add, you know, when we talk about surveillance and talk about freedom of speech and so on, i think what the government and security fosss need to be doing is follow every single lead and finally have targeted surveillance against a small and elite group of people to see if they are conspiring to commit an act of terrorism. >> something said they're looking for a needle in a haystack of needles. thank you both. coming up, hillary clinton
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lays out her vision. this is in sharp contrast to donald trump. and we're going to immediate a member of congress who has opened his own home to a refugee. plus the terror threat here in new york. mayor bill de blasio is coming here to "hardball" live tonight. this is "hardball," the place for politics. compared to the alternatives. push! i am pushing! sfx: pants ripping how you doing eddie? almost there. small steps. at axa, we'll help you take the next steps, with more confidence. for advice, retirement and insurance, talk to axa today. hey! how are you?g? where are we watching the game? you'll see. i think my boys have a shot this year. yeah, especially with this new offense we're running... i mean, our running back is a beast. once he hits the hole and breaks through the secondary, oh he's gone.
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>> exactly. immediately we had a guy in the middle of the group get hit in the hand. he fell down because of the pain -- >> one of your officers was hit. >> yeah, in the middle of the group. so we we take care of him, we still go. when we prepared nobody stopped, we're still going. another group after us, ready to take care of the wounded officer. >> you could afford to pause. >> no. >> they're coming in, dug eyes? were you able to see the hostages? >> yes. a lot of, maybe 20 -- between the shooter and us. >> on the floor? >> on the floor, some of them -- one of them on the floor. so we were not -- we cannot show at the time, because it was too risky.
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but we keep going, keep going. at one moment there is a terrorist, we didn't now about it, the shield fell down, so the first two guys were without any protection. they still go. >> great reporting there. anyway, this captain's team also served in a support role jed in the saint-denis raid. we'll be right back. everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? (patrick 2) pretty great.ke to be the boss of you? (patrick 1) how about a 10% raise? (patrick 2) how about 20? (patrick 1) how about done? (patrick 2) that's the kind of control i like... ...and that's what they give me at national car rental.
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our strategy should have three main elements. one, defeat isis in syria, iraq and across the middle east. two, disrupt and dismantle the growing terrorist infrastructure that facilitates the flow of fighters financing arms and propaganda around the world. three, harden or defenses and those of our allies against external and home-grown threats. >> that of course was
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hillary clinton, calling for an intensives of president obama's effort to fight isis in terrorism around the world. her approach stands in cast with the froont returner also from new york, donald trump. this is what he said. >> i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. i would blow up the pipes. i would blow up every single inch. there would be nothing left. >> clinton said troops on the ground are necessary, but they shouldn't come from the united states. >> like president obama, i do not believe we shouldv again have 100,000 troops in the middle east, but we can and should support local and regional ground forces. >> trump said twice this week he would send troops to fight isis. >> if need be, yeah.
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>> would you at least be willing to send 10,000 u.s. troops over there? >> yes, i would, but i would engage other countries. >> clinton and trump are leading their parties, offering a stark contrast on how to defeat isis. ron reagan and robert costas, a report with "the washington post." robert, give us a sense of the quantity, the quality and the tone of the difference between these two front-runners and how they would get the people we now see as the bad guys? >> essentially with hillary clinton versus donald trump, the difference between the two parties. on the one handled at least a party nominal of adults, a sophisticated multilevel plan, essentially a neoconplan. we could argue about that in terms of how many troops of ours, if we're talking special forces, but to contrast, you've got donald trump, who really
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doesn't know anything about this and is relying on bluster. i'll bomb the -- out of them is not a strategy, it's an attitude. it's a gut feeling. it's understandable, and i'm sure it will appeal to some people, but hillary clinton is at least dealing with her mind. she's got a plan that comes from the intellect, not just the gut. that's the basic distinction. >> i think hillary clinton is hugging close to the obama strategy. i wouldn't call it a radical change. that's strategic for a lot of reasons. she doesn't want to get too far from obama in a way that looks critical, but she risks not becoming a change agent. >> they may not, but she's already running a general election campaign. she's speaking right to those voters who want a steady hand. the primary in effect when it comes to foreign is over in the way she's campaigning. >> she doesn't have to match the
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bluster or b.s. or whatever you want to call it for donald trump, because she's going to win the nomination. >> as a reporter you have to look behind the bombastic. he's been running a noninterventionist, more in the ron paul wing. the key line, he said if need be. he's not in the lindsey graham wing saying there needs to be troops now. he wants aggressive air strikes, but when it comes to having a force over there, long term -- >> isn't that the american nationalist experience, attitude right now? ron, they do want touch talk, but they don't want us there where we can get picked off, torn apart and basically buried in the sand like we've been in the last wars. >> indeed. that's the difficulty, particularly for hillary clinton. he stressed she wanted others to do the heavy lifting. he named in particular or saudi
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and turkish allies. >> what's your bet on that happens, ron? >> i would not put any money on that happening. history would suggest they're not going to be eager to get into in fights. there are all sorts of reasons we could talk about about that, but we don't have time trump's strategy, you can bought all you want, but you have to be able to take and hold ground. somebody is going to have to have boots on the ground to take the ground. >> what's the sweet spot? >> i think what chris is saying, ron, and when you talk too trump campaign aides, he's looking for a sweet spot. there's a weariness in the party so there's not a move to shift babb just because of paris. >> any bets on the saudis? they don't do their own laundry or sweep their own floors.
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why would they fight a war? what is the saudi arabian army anyway? >> there's no expectation that they'll buy in. this is waiting to see what nato does. >> does anybody think portuguese or belgian troops are going in there? why do we keep talking about stuff that isn't going to happen? >> because people like to frame things, as a coalition. >> coalition of the willing that is included us. >> well, that's true, but we also don't talk about things that are happen. for decades saudi arabia has disacceptated a women ihabist and islamist -- >> that's done hell in this country. it's called 9/11. it looks lie you got some sun over there, ron. >> and robert costas, thank you for joining us. as they battle over what to do with syrian refugees, i'll spiel with one congressman who
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there is still evil out there. we cannot ignore it. we cannot contain it. we must defeat it. and we must protect our people. the country is uneasy and unsettled. it sounds like luke skywalker. that was the speaker of the house, paul ryan, voicing his concerns over syrian refugees coming into the country after the paris attacks. the house, by the way approved legislation that would toughen the scrutiny of refugees wanting to interthe united states. let's bring in the "hardball" round table.
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heidi, it seems to me this bill is going nowhere. harry reid is in a minority position, he says he's going to kill it, forget it. it's not going to ham. so all this talk is just political apology turg. >> it's not political policy turg even if this el kill it. the senate has the own bipartisan bill. >> like this. >> snow, this is a knee-jerk reaction to focus on the people and the risk that isn't there. it's not the proven risk. the proven risk is the visa waiver program. >> people wearing european passports depiatt they've been back to syria back and forth. so your argument, because you're being an arrer with me, you're arguing that somehow some good has come from the republican things they passed. >> i wouldn't go that far. >> i thought you did, suggesting that somehow ig nice the high
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i.q. and grownupness of dianne feinste feinstein. >> the republicans will keep pushing this. this could potentially become a much bigger mess, because they'll try to attach it to a spending bill, and i i this this will keep stoking the fears. >> teal keep stoking the tougher standards for refugees. heidi points out the real threat is from the members of the sleeper kretz who are actually plotting against us who carry passports like those people who apparently did all the hell last weekend. >> 2200 refugees have sum from syria in the last five years. actually mike at chertoff wrote a her with napolitano today, saying he thinking the current policy is very rigorous. mike at chertoff a rep serving under bush. that said, this is not going away. you know the government funding runs out december 11th.
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republicans are already saying they're going to push this and force obama to sign this or they'll have a government shutdown. the polls on this issue is with the republicans, not with the president. >> so the public doesn't want to take any chances. >> but it's a republican base issue, a couple rupe were alarmest. that's how the republican base works. something catches fire, all of the republicans are jumping on board. what they are suggesting here is a very bureaucratic difficult things to do when the administration is saying it will still be an 18 to 24-month screening process. >> we'll have a new president in lessian a year and a half. is obama worried he lets anybody in, he'll be blamed personally? >> i think that's true. and i think the congress are worried about this, too, in this whole certification process in the bill basically requires the fbi director and cia director to
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personally certify -- >> it becomes a simultaneous equation. everybody has to say this person is safe, and even then -- i guess there's a way to share the blame, if the guy goes bad? >> that's the thing, there would be no blame, because the program will effectively be put through a halt. >> wasn't one of the people involved in paris a refugee who came in through the flow, through greece from syria? >> you know, there's still some investigation. that's not totally confirmed yet. i think we should look into this more. like the u.s. has not up to now had refugees causing crime problem. i understand the congressman's reaction and the governor's reaction, it is scary. >> i'm impressed the governor in new hampshire facing a
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knife-edge close election comes out with a conservative typhoon, a democrat. >> of course, the national need wra is covering what the republicans are saying. it's local press starting to talk to each of the refugees and saying, look, these people are not terrorists. here is what happening when refugees are placed in communities. >> well all get it. this country is spooked by the terrorist. it's very easy to understand it, you don't have to agree with it. plus the mayor of new york city will be here. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.
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leaders of our police department who patrol times square to make very, very clear that the people of new york city will not be intimidated. >> late last night new york mayor bill de blasio spoke out from times square after isis released a propaganda video suggesting that the iconic neighborhood was a target of the terror group. while many of the clips in new york city were used in previous video published in april, the implied threat comes in and out in the wake of friday's attacks just a week before the macy's thanksgiving day parade. we've learned from french officials that there are potential hundreds or thousands of individuals in that country that have become radicalized but haven't acted criminally. similarly, as fbi director james comey warned last february there are investigation into the people of various stages of radicalizing here in our 50 states. i'm joined by the mayor of new
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york. it's agrees to have you on the show, though it is a sad time. >> what do you think of when we are told already radical people who haven't committed crimes, but they're thinking how much they hate this country, your city and might be on the verge of a criminal attack. >> i think the police department is prepared in every way, i really do. the fact is we obviously know of some people who have been a cause for concern and there's a long history of ensuring those people don't do anything to harm this city. we've had 14 years since 9/11. there's not been a successful terrorist attack. i think there's a reason we can say with some assurance we're going to continue that tradition is we have an extraordinary anti-terror capacity. for a long time it's maintained a separate anti-terrorism community, we have our own
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capacity, including offices around the world, the nypd that gather intelligence. we just added 500 anti-terror officers, or critical response command, to help prevent terrorism, but also in the event we have a lone wolf that was undetectible so we can respond with a well-trained source. we're in a high state of readiness and we have a great track record of prevention. >> years ago, john lindsey, the mayor of new york said there's no republican way to collect garbage. hess argument was some things just have to be done. you are a pretty well-known progressive. is there a nuance of difference in the way you would go after the situation or rudy giuliani would go after it, or is there a difference in police work? >> i think a muscular capacity is -- and may more bloomberg put together we've had to add to
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that and build upon it. in terms of the strategies we employ, look, i believe fundamentally one of the best strategies is to draw all communities closer to our city government, to our police, so that there's actually the trust and the flow of information. that includes our muslim community. we've worked very hard to improve our policies, to end some of the surveillance effort that people in the muslim community found, to add new limits. we've added two muslim school holidays that have been very, very -- and that is part of saying to the community we are all together, the vast majority of muslims in this city and country a law-abiding loyal americans. we want them to know we're with them and they're with us. the front-runner, of course,
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donald trump of new york, said he would strongly consider, these are careful words, closing mosques as a counter-terrorism measure. on monday i asked rudy giuliani whether he agreed with trump. here's what he had to say. >> i don't agree you shut them down, but i do gray you can have police listening to what they're doing. in fact, i'm the mayor that put them in there, bloomberg continued, and de blasio took them out. >> sir, where do you stand on that? >> we believe that we have exceptional sell gens gathering capacity and the ability to prevent attacks without violating people's constitutional rights and without alienating the very community we want to work with us more closely. nypd is very much on top of the situation, including people that might be a cause for concern, but we don't achieve that by, quote/unquote, putting people in mosques.
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we achieve it can good police work, with bluntly, there wasn't enough of, and now there's a seamlessness, but look, let's get to the trump quote. it is absolutely a misunderstanding of the united states constitution and our values to think about shutting down a house of worship. that goes against the founding ideals of the country. think about if you're a muslim/american, think about what that sounds like. you've talked a lot about the history in this country of catholic leaders, obviously we all think about what jfk went through when he ran for president. what -- let's close down catholic churches because we disagree with what some cardinals or snoring were saying? it fliz in the face of our values, and bluntly it's almost like propaganda for or enemies who want to convince muslims around the world that america is their enemy.
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we should del disproving isis's theories, not helping to reinforce them. >> you know i love our country's freedom. you probably read "new york times" today, reply mayor. mike schmidt put together the conundrum that officials face, the problem of the fbi anxious, because they know there are people out there who make speeches against our country, bier really anti-american lines, they talk about support for isis even directly. they also have access under our second amendment to buy heavy hardwa hardware. so we have a country, you put the first and secondally together, and you throw in zealot, and we have a problem of predicting when the powder was going to blow. it worries me. >> it worries me for sure, but i want to start at the beginning, the same exact facts, that's what's going on with mill willishas that aren't about
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foreign terrorism. they're home-grown, they target law enforcement officials willingly, and same exact reality. they're people who use violence against americans, the campus shooters who often don't have any ideology, but a mental health problems. you're entirely right, the laws in this country don't stop this violence from happening in many, many forms, but el agree possibly the most galling of all is a terrorist who wants to attack the united states of america and says it out loud can still get a gun at a store in this country even if they're on a list that identifies them as a danger. >> 2,000 of them have done it. >> 2,000. >> and by the way, the nra is nondiscriminatory ra are who gets guns. >> maybe this is a moment for some revelation, because people are waking up to the threats we're facing around the world
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more and more. maybe it's something that will jolt the debate in this country on the availability of guns, just like the campus mass akers. i've got to believe there's some part of critical mass that changes or politics and policies. >> i thought when bobby kennedy was killed by an arab terrorist, because he didn't like what bobby was saying about where our embassy to be in israel, i wrote my congressman. i thought that would stir a change on gun control. it doesn't. mayor, stick with us, thanks for sticking around. i want to talk about this reffee debate, very related to the one we're talking about, the fierce that people have. we'll be right back. good question. you ask a lot of good questions... i think we should move you into our new fund. sure... ok. but are you asking enough about how your wealth is managed? wealth management at charles schwab.
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matter, the long-term issue of syrian refugees, mr. mayor. republicans have taken a tough stand opposing their admission to the country. let's look at what 2016 presidential candidate mike huckabee said about the debate yesterday. >> the people who are pushing for us to take them in, interestingly they're not pushing for them to come into their neighborhoods. i don't say people saying let's send them to martha's vineyard, let's send them to chappaqua, let's send them to the upper west side of manhattan. you know, the people who are asking for this live behind gated communities and are generally guarded by armed guards. >> mr. mayor, i don't know how ethnically directed that was, but it sounded -- >> wow. >> -- like that. martha's vineyard and the upper west side. i would be careful the way this guy does his targeting. but i don't think you have gated communities along amsterdam avenue. >> yeah, broadway, not a lot of armed guards and gated communities on broadway, new york city.
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that is a correct statement, chris. unbelievable. chris, look, the bottom line here is this is the kind of thing that really speaks against everything we are as a country. we are a country of immigrants. we are a country that is known for being humanitarian, compassionate in the world. we are trying to send a message to 1.6 billion muslims, the vast majority of whom are peace-loving, law-abiding, that we care about them and their humanity too. and here are hundreds of thousands of people being forced out of their country by muslim extremism, by terrorism, and instead of embracing them and saying how can we help here we have presidential candidates acting like we're no longer america, we no long yes want to help people in need. i referenced the other day a study or i should say a public opinion survey. you'll appreciate it this as a student of history. 1938 "fortune" magazine survey of american voters. 67% said we should not accept jews fleeing nazi violence and persecution. 1938.
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and look at the results of the policies that then ensued because of public opinion. we can't let this kind of negative attitude underlie -- undermine i should say who we are as americans. >> by the way, i just read martin goldsmith's book about that, about his going back over what happened to his relatives who were on the st. louis who were sent back to europe and it was not a good end for any of them. mayor de blasio, thank you so much for coming to us from new york. when we return, a member of the united states congress who himself took in an iraqi refugee. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. when it comes to helping you reach your financial goals,t taking small, manageable steps can be an effective...
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joining me right now is u.s. congressman seth moulton of massachusetts. he's a member of the armed services committee, was captain in the marines, served four tours of duty in iraq, earning the bronze star. congressman moulton voted no today on that house bill to restrict syrian refugees. in 2007 moulton's family actually hosted an iraqi refugee. congressman, tell us about mohammed, the guy you befriended and who you trusted and brought to this country. >> mohammed's amazing. and honestly, i don't know anyone who more exemplifies the american dream. he actually came to the united states on his own on a fulbright scholarship to get his master's degree and intended to go back to his home in iraq. but his family was persecuted when he got here. they actually had to move cities because they were so threatened by the insurgents. and so he sought asylum. and while he was seeking asylum he lived with my parents. now, since then he became one of the first arabic -- the first
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arabic teacher at a local high school. he's become a real friend of the community, a regular speaker at rotary club events and everything else. the community, my hometown, embraced him, and america is better off for having him here. someone who literally put his life on the line for our country when he was my translator in iraq. >> you know, we all love when people become americanized. we love people coming here and becoming american. i love in fact what rubio talks about his grandfather teaching him american values in spanish. how do we get people to assimilate? that's what people are afraid they'll stay in their own community, they might be radicalized. we don't know what's going to happen. but if they're american, really do become americans, talk like us even, we do like it. it's not like we're against foreigners if they become americans. >> it's actually not that hard. all we need to do is uphold our values and show the world that our values apply to all. and we're not going to make caveats for muslims or syrians or whatnot. we need to uphold the values that make us strong and are
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opposed to the values that isis is trying to defeat us with. up in new york tonight to h the get on the show. u.s. congressman seth moulton of massachusetts. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. good evening from paris. i'm chris hayes. the man who authorities say was the coordinator of the attacks that killed 129 people in paris is dead. abdelhamid abaaoud, who many believed was in syria, was identified today by the french prosecutor as one of the two dead bodies from the saint-denis raid two nights ago. the belgian national had reportedly gone to syria last year to fight with isis. according to the french interior minister. and at some later point returned to europe. authorities have now identified the female suicide bomber in the saint-denis raid as hasna ate boul tchen. police have

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