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if it passes there, president obama will veto it. but hey, at least congress gets to enjoy wasting time on that demagoguery today and tomorrow. it's not like they have anything else substantive to work on. if it passes there, president obama will veto it. but hey, at least congress gets to enjoy wasting time on that demagoguery today and tomorrow. it's not like they have anything else substantive to work on. that does it for us tonight. our live coverage continues on "last word with lawrence o'donnell." operation inherent resolve. that is the pentagon's name for the american war against the islamic state, the ground war that some american soldiers are already engaged in. they are supposed to serve primarily as advisers. but that ground war now has its first american casualty, the first american soldier killed in the war against isis. a war that the leading presidential candidates now say they want to escalate in the aftermath of the paris attacks.
one of those candidates will get the chance to send more troops into battle with isis after being sworn in as president in 2017. even bernie sanders now says he would send ground troops as a last resort. >> and in military matters, america has a history of moving to its last resort rather quickly. master sergeant joshua wheeler was killed in battle with isis on october 22. he was buried yesterday in arlington national cemetery. sergeant wheeler was a member of the elite delta force, a highly decorated combat veteran of the afghanistan and iraq wars. master sergeant wheeler was killed in a successful mission to rescue 70 hostages who were about to be executed by isis. >> we have now heard from rescued hostages. they expected to be executed that day. after morning prayers.
their graves hadal already been prepared. not only did our support help provide another mass killing, we enabled those partners of ours to deliver isil a clear defeat and prevented them from broadcasting a horrific massacre to the world. this is someone who saw the team that he was advising and assisting coming under attack. and he rushed to their -- to help them and made it possible for them to be effective. and in doing that lost his own life. that's why i'm proud of him. >> master sergeant joshua wheeler from roland, oklahoma, was 39 years old. he leaves his wife, four sons, his grandfather and grandmother. >> we saw the american troop commitment in vietnam escalate from a small number of advisers like sergeant wheeler, to hundreds of thousands of troops
over more than a decade of war. the united states army has now buried its first soldiers lost in the war against isis. and tonight, we may be many, many years away from the last funeral for the last american soldier killed in a war against isis, a war made more likely to escalate because nine terrorist s decided to bring their war to the streets of paris friday night. we will be joined later by two experts who say escalating war is the war that isis wants. but first, there are more raids in france and belgium today. we will get updates on all of that beginning in paris with nbc's kelly cobiella. what's the case there tonight? >> there's more raids in belgium and france.
we're learning more about the female bomber who blew herself up, the raid that killed the so-called linchpin, the ringleader in the paris attacks, abdelhamid abaaoud. this is a picture of her. she is a woman in her mid 20s. she is blooeed to be the cousin of abaaoud, born many paris of moroccan descent. the descriptions of her are of someone who's not particularly religious, someone who was not really believed to be going in any sort of extremist way. suggestions that she was more of a directionless young woman and a troubled young woman who may, in fact, have been involved in drugs and potentially wrapped up in, i hate to say it, but the
wrong crowd. someone who was not believed believed to end up being an islamic extremist. this is all, again, reported from witnesses, from neighbors, from people who say they knew her when she was younger. now you take a step back from the raid that happened in saint-denis yesterday morning. we're hearing from the leader of the s.w.a.t. team essentially, the french version of the s.w.a.t. team who went in yesterday morning. he spoke to france's bfmtv and he described how that raid played out. he said they went in at 4:16 in the morning. they didn't have a plan. they didn't have a description of the apartment building itself. they knew where the front door was. and that's about it. they attached explosives to that door. the door didn't blow through, and he said that -- they lost
the element of surprise. those blasts didn't work. they lost the element of surprise. it gave the people inside enough time to arm themselves, to put on suicide vests or belts. and then this intense gun battle began. it lasted some 30 to 45 minutes, he says. and then there's a pause and that's when there's a conversation with one of these special police unit members, and the female suicide bomber inside. and i think we can listen to that now. >> so a violent explosion. and then later on, we know now that this entire operation
lasted some seven hour, seven hours plus. later on, more explosions, more gunfire. the raid leader saying that they used everything in our arsenal, drones to look inside the apartment, robots, the police dog who sadly was killed in this operation, and, of course, it ended in a very violent way with explosions on the third floor. the floor of the apartment actually collapsing, and such an intense raid that they had trouble identifying abaaoud in the end. lawrence? >> the story of this suicide bomber the young woman is so striking, the speed of her conversion into extremism seems to be so striking on that. we're going to have experts talking about how that happens. but it seems, in her case, this is one of those cases where it seems to have been fairly quick according to what you're telling us. >> yes. and this is a young woman, as i said, appears to have been
fairly directionless. didn't really have a strong family around her. didn't have necessarily a job, not necessarily a good upbringing. going back to morocco. she had this contact with her cousin abaaoud who clearly had allegiances to islamic state. i think we need to wait for a while to see exactly how this played out and why she became radicalized. but it may be that connection to abaaoud. >> kelly, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. co-ing up now from brussels is the nbc foreign correspondent. the searches are continuing, raids continuing in brus sells. >> absolutely. with the news of the death of the ringleader, the man hunt now for the eighth attacker believed
to have been involved in the paris attacks has intensified. there was an intense search and raid operation today across various areas of brus sells. there were two separate raids. the first set of raids, six raids, were actually investigations that were launched prior to the attacks in paris. they surrounded, or they were involving an individual who ended up being an attacker in the paris attacks. those six raids yielded an arrest of seven individuals believed to be close associates, or at least associates of one of the paris suicide bombers. the sect set of raids were based on intelligence that was gathered following the paris attack. the reason why that distinction is so important, there is some questioning already of the belgian government, of the belgian security forces, why they had waited so long to carry out some of the raids and searches that they carried out this afternoon, based on intelligence and investigations that were open prior to the
paris attacked last friday. you can expect in the coming days there's going to be some serious questioning whether or not there was intelligence that was ready and actionable that they did not pursue more rigorously. meanwhile, the country's prime minister today put forth a proposal to the country's parliament, really asking for a lot more powers to try and fight terrorism. in the past several month, this country here had several plots set in belgium and executed either in paris or here in the country. so that now has become a major focus of this current government. in this new proposal, the prime minister wants to increase the number of security personnel in the country by at least 500. he wants to step up intelligence sharing. he wants to set up police checkpoints on the border around belgium. he began to carry out some tracking of fighters that have fought in syria and come back to automatically be put in prison to have their citizenship revoked. so a lot of proposals he has put forth to the belgium parliament that are more likely than not to
pass, lawrence. >> thank you for joining us again tonight from brussels. >> we're joined now but h by laura haim. the search for that final participant in the attacks the final most important part by french police, where are they on that? >> they're extremely worried about what will happen next. tonight, the french prime minister went on trench tv and said the threat is still there, it's not over. tiff to tell you the truth, it's not over. people inside the investigation team are extremely worried about what can happen next. they don't know if he's in france or if he crossed belgium.
at this moment according to our sources, they don't have a clue and they're extremely worried about the fact that he might be active, he might do something. /also want to tell you there's another body which's been discovered in the building where they went two days ago. people think it might be him, but sources close to the investigation are telling us for the moment they don't think it's him. there's a manhunt to find him all over france and all over belgium. >> what about the report that the organizers of the attacks, there was a report of his death earlier some years ago. that turned out to be false. french authorities are now reviewing that and they now see that this may well be isis' plan
is to make it appear as thouk some operatives like this have been killed so that they are then -- the law enforcement intention in europe on them drops, obviously because they believe they're dead, and that's part of what allowed him to move back and forth in europe. >> yeah, that's basically, those young persons left those family for syria. he left his family for an unknown reason. we don't know why he became so radicalized. he was a nice kid, he went to a catholic school. then he became radicalized an he left for syria and he completely break with his family. he kidnapped his youngest brother to go to syria. he was 13 years old.
he was the youngest jihadist in the world. he cut off ties with the family. and what's striking is that someone came to his family and said to his father and mother, your son is dead. so at this moment, the sister said god bless you because we don't allege abaaoud in our family. it was completely false. in fact, according to some investigators i spoke with, it's a kind of pattern. isis militants going to syria, especially people born in a country like france and who are living their home country, to go to syria they want their families to think they're dead so that the intelligence agencies are also going to think they're dead. he basically wanted to make sure
that the intelligence agencies are not looking after him. he had someone telling his family that he was dead and it was not true. >> laura haim, thank you very much for joining us to night. we really appreciate it. the organizers of the terrorist attacks bragged about get into europe, in and out of europe unchecked. we will talk about that. also coming up, ben carson and donald trump take their anti-syrian refugee rhetoric to a whole other level. why put up with that? but the quicksilver card from capital one likes to keep it simple. real simple. i'm talking easy like-a- walk-in-the-park, nothing-to-worry-about, man-that-feels-good simple. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back
boko haram is responsible for 6,644 deaths in 2014. the islamic state was responsible for about 600 fewer than that, 6,073 deaths. in that year. up next, how the organizer of the paris attacks was able to get into france and move through europe despite being on a terror watch list. are the european borders not secure enough? that's next. ♪ can't afford to let heartburn get in the way? try nexium 24hr, now the #1 selling brand for frequent heartburn. get complete protection with the new leader
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in "dubiq" magazine, he said i was able to leave despite being chased after so many intelligence agencies. all this proves muslims should not fear the bloated image of the crusader intelligence. may name and picture was all over the news, yet i was able to stay in their homeland, plan operation against them and leave safely when doing so became necessary. european immigration officials speaking to the uk newspaper in the telegraph say that in some countries, as few as 1% of the people entering the european union country get property checked against the anti-terror watch list. the average number of people checked against the anti-terror watch list by eu countries is between 10 and 20%. joining us now, brian jenkins who testified before the home wland security agency today.
mr. jenkins, your assessment of the european border situation. and are we in a new age where those open borders, thought to be what the modern world would look like in europe no longer work? we have the borders in europe and then the borders around you're. in the balkan and the mediterranean, they have broken down because of the tremendous influx of refugee, because of simply the difficulty of ceiling those borders because in many cases some of the countries on those frontiers have very limited resources to do that. the separate issue is in the core of europe which allows free travel.
once one is in germany or france or belgium, one can cross borders without any of the formalities that we are accustomed to in going in and out of the united states. >> the french prime minister today said they are now concerned about the possible risk of chemical and biological weapons, making it into europe what do we know about that at this point? >> well, this is not the first time that this has come up as a concern. in 2003 or so, there were a number of reports and a number of findings of small quantities of ricin that were being manufactured by terrorists. there were other plots that involved deadly chemicals. these were not in huge quantities, but certainly even
in limited quantities could cast a great deal of alarm. what do you make of the percentages that european checks are using against the terrorist watch lists. should those percentages be higher? >> there are several problems here. first of all, when we talk about the list, there is not a complete list that includes all the names that all the european countries is looking for. intelligence is one of the last bastions of sovereignty. and the level of cooperation among the european countries themselves in the area of intelligence and law enforcement, while it clearly has improved, it is proving not to be adequate. to the extent that cord ration
is looking, we're likely to see the reimp situation of border controls which is a challenge to the core idea of the european union itself. >> it would be in american terms like having border controls between new york state and vermont. and that's what -- as they were modeling this, that's what they're looking at, the united states, and that massive economic market where no one has to pass through any borders of any kind. and this is the thing they were trying to emulate. at what point is the balance shifted from that and the economic freedom they were looking for with this border situation? we're already seeing the reimp situation of former border controls. for example, as trains come in
to france from other countries, there will be authorities on those trains doing some -- doing some checks. we've already seen also as a consequence of the huge influx of refugee, a number of countries are building fences or walls. >> thanks for being on with us tonight. coming up, ben carson and donald trump are raising the rhetoric level against syrian refugees coming into the united states. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit?
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>> nobody can tell me we don't have the ability to tell a grand mother who's come out of a country in a war-torn situation with her grand kids and not be able to determine whether or not those people represent a threat. it's inappropriate for america of all countries in the world to panic and panic and somehow turn our backs on our fundamental values. >> we now turn to andrea mitchell for report on our political debate over syrian refugees in the united states. >> today, the fear about refugees got ugly on the campaign trail. >> if there's a rapid dog running around your neighborhood, you're probably not going to assume something
good about that dog. and you're probably going to put your children out of the way. we have to have in place screening mechanisms that allow us to determine who the mad dogs are, quite frankly. >> donald trump telling yahoo he wouldn't rule out requiring muslims to register and carry identifications and trump saying syrians are coming. >> syrians are now being caught at the southern border, just like i said. they're gong to be pouring in, we don't know who they are. could be isis. >> two syrian families, including four children presented themselves focus toms in texas asking for asylum. in manila, the president accused republican law make oefrs playing politics. >> the idea that somehow they pose a more significant threat than all of the tourists who pour into the united states every single day doesn't just jibe with reality.
>> ours later, 47 democrats with the president. republicans stopping refugees from syria and iraq from coming to the u.s., by requiring the homeland security secretary, the fbi director and head of national intelligence to personal certify that each applicant is not a threat. an impossible task. going against the tide, hillary clinton today. >> turning away orphan, applying a religious test, discriminating against muslims, slamming the door on every syrian refugee. that is just not who we are. >> in alabama tonight, ben carson again compared some syrian refugees to rabid dogs. but called the news media dishonest for reporting his comments. as the paris attacks start fuelling an angry debate here at home. lawrence? >> thanks, andrea. up next, our guests say that the reaction in france and the united states to the attacks in paris is exactly what isis was trying to provoke.
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streets of paris, or does it want a war with well equipped soldiers in on the battlefields of syria and iraq? the author of the article "the war isis wants." a fellow at artist international and a member of the terrorism and organized research group at university college london. the first paragraph of your piece, you write francois hollande vows to be merciless in the fight for the barbarian of the islamic state is unfortunately precisely what isis intended. why would they intend that. >> well, their manifesto means the management of savagery or chaos. so they're looking for chaos everywhere they can find it in the world. where there isn't chaos, their
idea is to create it so they can draw a wedge between nonmuslims and muslims to destroy what they call the gray zone where most people are located and produce a polarized world where muslims will have no choice because they're being persecuted all over the world, to join them. >> now, do they believe that if they do all that and create all this chaos and create this war that they could lose this war? >> i don't think they're so worried about that. they know that they have almost a me deuce is a-like ability, if they get their head cut off in syria they can decentralize and pop-up somewhere. baghdad disees jihad as not being in one particular location, but erupting all over the world. in some sense, they see themselves as just being able to
manifest themselves continuously. jihad doesn't have to be in any particular one location. >> what reaction would you recommend in both france and the united states to what happened in paris? >> there's a short-term and a long-term reaction. the islamic state must be destroyed but not destroyed with our own ground troops. that would be a disaster. we already have al qaeda 2.0, which is much more noxious than the old al qaeda. we'll get 3.0. what we should do, i think, as i wrote with general stone back in "the new york times" back in april is give the means necessary to the people who can do the job, including the bkk and the ypg. but in the long run. we've got to find a way to embrace the people who are going to join isis. this is a struggle for future generations. and what we find is that the whole discourse thought the muslim world is being shaped now
by what isis has done. for example, one imam in bars loan that told us we're against the islamic state but the caliphates wither in our hearts but they put us on the map and we're here now. >> islamic state put them on the map? >> put us on the map. we don't want their violence. we do want a caliphate. maybe it will be like a european union of muslim peoples. but if we ignore those passions saying it's just fantasy, then we risk fanning this em. >> now, is it possible to destroy the islamic state. i've seen estimates that there may be 40,000 islamic state fighters, actual soldiers, american military estimates say that completely destroy a force of 40,000, you would need 200,000 opposing troops. >> i think it's a difference of
a question of whether you're thinking of isis as a physical group or whether you're thinking of it as an idea. >> once again, it can manifest itself in many different forms. the important thing when i'm out interviewing people in barcelona in paris and london who have sympathies to the islamic states. it's not sympathies towards any one particular group. in fact, when you read about defectors who left the islamic state, they left precisely because they started feeling they're a group that started becoming interested in its own self-preservation. they started becoming too interested in finding out if there were spies or apostates within their ranks. these guys are not fighting for the survival of isis. they're fighting for this conception of an alternate society, something that's counter to the society that western nations have tried to create, a more materialistic society, a more democratic
system, one that's deprived of spirituality. and that's the counter society they're trying to create. >> and scott, you have found, you're out there talking to young people who are attracted to isis and what they're sewing. you find the sympathies are much more widespread. than i think most people suspect. >> yes. we find for example, in suburbs in places like paris or london or barcelona that 20% of them are converts from christian families. and that it is the most, it is the strongest counter culture movement in the world today. they've absorbed people from 90 countries. they appeal to a wide range of people, and the way they do it is twofold. they search for what's in the history of each one, a personal grievance, a frustrateds a pir raugs and they wed it to this notion, this story they have of
a golden age that can be recovered. and the way we're trying to counter it with lectures and repettive masked messaging. one young girl from syria, she e-mailed another and said i know leaving your family is going to be the hardest thing you've ever done in your life, but there are other things to do in life, there are greater things to do in life. and let me take the time to help you explain that to yourself so you can explain that to them when you come. and the counter narratives that we're getting is simply, they're bad, they behead people, they do terrible things to women. didn't we know that already? >> when you hear the story of this young woman who became a suicide bomber the other night in paris when that raid was going on, and we heard about her basically progressing to extremism relatively quickly. she sounds like some of the
people you talk about in this article that you've met. >> yeah, feelings of frustration, of being disaffected, of a personal grievance, of moral outrage can build over years and years and years. but often times the transition from just being a regular person to someone who is willing to fight and die happens relatively quickly. the important thing to understand is these people are not transitioning to just become a devout muslim. they're transitioning specifically to become a muslim warrior. it's kind of like when people don't understand why these people want to go off and fight and die, it's like asking why would someone want to become a samurai. in their minds, these people are modern samurai. i was talking to one guy from london who's in syria right now. he originally went there to join isis and then switched to the al qaeda affiliate. and he was saying, when i was younger, i used to read these religious texts and these history books about these ancient islamic warriors.
and i would picture the middle east. and i would picture these two deserts and armies. beautiful horses with warriors on top of them, swords out, flags flailing and coming at each other. what's the modern equivalent? the horses are replaced with toyota pickup trucks, the swords are ka lish that kofs. being a muslim today is part of that lineage, that history, that culture of honor that they want to associate themselves with. >> as i read your article, the religious component becomes less important than it does in other analysis that i've seen. especially the religious history of some of these people. they do not come from religious backgrounds. 80% from nonreligious families in what you' found out about that. >> they're almost all from youth, from transitional stages in life between jobs,
girlfriends, students, immigrants, having left their native family, fellow travelers in france. born again in their late teens and early 20s. very few have a religious education. they have no role in this hardly at all. when i interview isis guys in the middle east, just a few months ago. none of them had any idea of what was other than what they've been told. they didn't know who the first caliphs. isis is a repertory of ideas, but isis provides a message that is powerful.. and that speaks as orwell said in his review of hitler's mein kimpf, what we're offering on the other side is ease, security, avoid answer of risk.
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us tonight. what do you make of the alysis that we just heard that isis wants chaos and so welcomes a heavy military response, wants to meet americans on the battlefield in syria and iraq. and if that is true, how should that affect our calculations, american calculations about how to react here? >> i think we have a lot of things going on here, lawrence. many years ago they found out 245 people, particularly young people, liked what they got. they liked the new foods, they liked the different kinds of jobs. they liked american technology, the i-phones and everything, krefl phones were coming online. but they also found out that people were frightened of modernity. they're afraid of losing themselves. we know psychologically young people are losing their identity, who they are, and they can be pooled very quickly into
any kind of a movement. so i take the point about the movement, but at some lechl to the american people, to the people in paris, to the people in lebanon, to the people in baghdad, to the people in nigeria, it doesn't matter. they feel their lives are at risk. they're concerned about their security. so i think we've heard from president obama, we've heard from secretary kerry. we heard from secretary clinton today that we really have a multipronged strategy here that we have to undertake here. it is defeating isil dash. no one is suggesting mass i ground troops among those three, because massive ground troops might get that reaction if it's american troops that, in fact, it needs to be people on the ground that have a stake in the action. it's also taking the infrastructure, the way this is funded and financed, and thirdly to help defend against this, to help europe support and protect
its borders. but i think that this issue of propaganda, of public diplomacy, of messaging is very critical. president obama has increased that effort. secretary clinton talked about starting the global counterterrorism fund. and really secretary kerry has got unundersecretary stengel to move forward efforts all over the world, to understand what motivates people to do these things and to try to counter message that and found a different way to attract them to a different life and a different world. i think their analysis probably has reality to it. it only takes you so far. you still have to defeat isil because it is a threat. you have to untake the infrastructure with which will go on. you have to make sure that the defenses of each of our countries is strong enough to
get us through with resolve as secretary clinton said today, not with fear. >> would you give me a time frame for the strategy outlined? >> it's going to take some time. i think that we can protect ourselves better. and i think one of the things i'm sure that president hollande and president obama will talk about is things that we learned after 9 $11. i thought major yor de blasio and the police commissioner in new york were phenomenal last night basically saying we learned a lot, we're going to keep you safe. we're not going to be intimidated, we're not going to play that game. we're not going to give into that fear. we welcome refugees in our country. that's what the statue of liberty stands there and says. we've got to share what we learned. we have to share better intelligence. we have to help europe because they have migration that happens
over land. we've got two oceans that don't b protect us completely as we well understand, but offer us more protection. public diplomacy and messaging is absolutely masterful of making use of the internet and we have to get better at it. >> ambassador wendy sherman, thank you very much for joining us tonight and please come back. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> coming up, why hope is the last word about the news media's use of the term mastermind. ♪ the way i see it, you have two choices; the easy way or the hard way. you could choose a card that limits where you earn bonus cash back. or, you could make things easier on yourself. that's right, the quicksilver card from capital one. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere.
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a truck bomb in oklahoma city than were killed in paris and no one granted him mastermind status. there is, in fact, no such thing a mastermind. mastermind is a cartoon concept, not an accurate journalist description. the front page headline in today's new york times use the word organizer. "the washington post" headline said leader. both accurate journalistic descriptions. this network stopped using the word mastermind today, but most tv news continues to send the mastermind message around the world. tv news comes out of the same screen a our entertainment comes out of, so the line between the two gets blurred sometimes. tv news writers sometimes use the language of screenwriters who for two hours at least in a movie theatre need you to believe there are masterminds out there.
isis wants you to believe in master minds, too. isis wants you to believe they have master minds in europe and in the united states. isis wants you to live in fear of their master minds and their soldiers. there's a term for what is going on here, for what is happening to tv news. it's called semantic infiltration. semantic infiltration means getting your enemy to use your language. isis is winning the semantic infiltration game with tv news this week. if isis could hack into tv news computer systems and rewrite scripts and the graphics that you see on the bottom of the screens at cnn and the bbc and other networks, isis would be delighted to discover that the one word that they wouldn't want to rewrite is mastermind.
the terrorist ringleader is dead. this is "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. in washington tonight we in the u.s. get confirmation that the police have killed abdelhamid abaaoud. the attack that slaughtered people last friday night. extending first-time pictures of last friday's attack, and a newly released recording of the hideout yesterday. meanwhile, law enforcement officials in the u.s. from the fbi to nypd says there's nothing to indicate that terrorism in france will lead to an attack here. yet concerns remain high. bill de blasio will be with us here on "hardball" to talk about