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the world. we'll go there live straight ahead. first breaking news out of the west africa where gunmen stormed a popular hotel in mali today. at this hour, reports indicate no more hostages are inside the hotel. initial reports from the hotel said 170 people were inside. we know six americans escaped. msnbc foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin is following the situation all day. what's the latest? >> reporter: well, the latest, kate, that we are getting is the closest thing to an official death toll from the united nations. and the number as of now stands at 21 people killed as a result of this hostage taking at this hotel. now, the united nations was hosting a conference on the grounds of that hotel when the operation began this morning. the hostage taking began followed by the operation i should clarify. it lasted for several hours. we know that members of the
malian special forces and u.s. and french special forces were involved in that operation as they went floor to floor to try to clear out the building. we're also learning a little bit more about some of the fatalities. it happened to be that one of those that was killed in the attack was a civil government worker here from belgium. he had been in mali on a three-day training program to try and train malian parliamentarians and scheduled to come back to bah jum tomorrow morning and among those killed. in addition to the belgians and americans that were taken hostage, the six americans as you mentioned were released safely. there were members of other countries including china, india, turkey and france. so we know that it was a very diverse group of hostage that is had been taken in that building. in terms of the claim of responsibility, so far, that has been taken by a group known as al mourabitoun and an islamic jihadi group out of northern
mali and algeria. so we'll be talking about that in a moment. but they have come out and claimed responsibility for it. now, the surprise to many is that this group is more closely aligned or associated with al qaeda, particularly in west africa than with isis or boko haram. two of the more extremist and internationally known militant groups operating out of west africa. >> ayman, sorry, i was waiting for a pause. ayman, tell me more, though. you mentioned that group affiliated with al qaeda. i think for americans this is confusing. we don't know that region very well and people may not be familiar with where mali is. maybe we can put up a map and walk us through a little bit more about what groups are act n ive in that area. >> reporter: sure. if you take a look at the map of mali, the northern part of the mali over the past several years has been the focus point of a
huge rebellion and a concentration if you will of clusters of militant groups, many of them affiliated with al qaeda. some of them predon't family concentrated in algeria and elsewhere. northern mali has been ripe with problems for past several years following a military coup in the country and many of the militant groups associated with al qaeda. and if you keep in mind before isis kind of rose to the international scene, the predominant international terrorist group was al qaeda. and it had many offshoots including in western africa. that particular offshoot operated in libya, algeria and in mali. following the collapse of the libyan government, there was the entire region was just awash of -- with weapons and rockets and all kinds of explosives. and they started to fall in the hands of monotore you groups, including mourabitoun and
claimed responsibility today. the founders of this group were themselves members of al qaeda in west africa. so, the area where there is very little state control in mali and in southern parts of algeria and elsewhere, they have been the main areas where these terrorist groups have been operating out of. they're not very different in their ideology than isis and others like boko haram. the methodology may be different but they want to establish an islamic caliphate and impose sharia law and the objective. they're going after this particular target in bamako because of the symbolic value and nature. this was a western hotel in bamako in an area surrounded by embassies and in an area surrounded by government buildings. it's frequented by western diplomats and no doubt about it, going after the target has a tremendously symbolic value, certainly draw the attention of
the world media based on the victims inside of it. and it seems for now they have succeeded not only in their killing of westerners and others in that building but also in drawing the media attention and letting the world know, yes, while everyone is focused on isis for the past several months al qaeda and its offshoots and its affiliates remains a very potent terrorist organization in its own right particularly in west africa, kate. >> bamako, the capital city, a big city, right? city of 2 million people. >> reporter: it's a big city. mali is a geographically big country. there are a lot of different forces at play in that country and different ethnicities. arabs and tuarigs and it became an independent country in the '60s. when it became an independent country from france, it struggled to have a civilian democratic government. in fact, in 2012 there was a
military coup against the leadership of that country. and it was shortly after that military coup that we saw the northern part of the country fall into the hands of some of these jihadist groups, some of these terrorist groups who began to impose the sharia law and where it gets very interesting and important. it was at that point that the french government launched an international campaign, air strike campaign, to dislodge those terrorist groups from the northern part of the country and try to bring it back under the control of the central government. they were successful in doing that. but the consequence of that is that the groups splintered across the region and over the past several years have been launching these types of, you know, sudden attacks, terrorist attacks, as we saw this past year. there's been several already. but by far, this is the most brazen one because it targets, again, a very highly symbolic building in the heart of the capital and undermines the central government's notion that it has any kind of security across the country and it once
again reinforces the terrorist groups, particularly those operating with al qaeda in west africa, are still major players in the region. >> all right. ayman mohyeldin, so glad to have your expertise and knowledge of that region, thank you so much. we turn to paris now to the attacks there where we're hearing reports that the suspected female suicide bomber, the one we thought had blown herself up in saint-denis and the raid the other morning, perhaps did not detonate her vest. for the latest let's go to chief global correspondent bill neely in paris. you did a key interview. tell us what you've learned. >> reporter: yes, well, regarding this woman, for 36 hours the police had said she detonated her suicide vest because that's what they believed gibb the evidence in that apartment. what appears to have happened is they then discovered a third body. and without being -- going into too much detail, i think based on the forensic examination of
those body parts, they concluded that it was possibly the third person who had blown themselves up and that this woman possibly been caught in that blast. again, it's a little unclear but then i think quite a lot of what went on in that apartment is unclear. however, to give it some clarity, i spoke today to the commander of the s.w.a.t. team that raided the apartment. he was a captain. he preferred not to give his real name an we'll call him hugo. that's what he wanted to be called. he said he commanded a squad of 30 men and he did speak about the moment that the suicide bomber blew themselves up. he said they were on the second floor. the terrorists were one floor above them. there had been hours already of extraordinary exchanges of gun fire and hi said suddenly there was a blinding flash and after that, a tremendous noise and the whole building shook. in fact, it shook so much he thought the building was going
to collapse on them. he also said that it was quite clear given the engagement that they'd had and the bullets fired that this group was well trained. he said they were not amateurs. he said the way they chose their targets, the way they useded the ammuniti ammunition, the way they head, shouted to each other at some points all of it pointed to people who had some military training. he also spoke directly about that woman, hasna aitboulahcen and said one point she shouted out to them, i'm scared, i'm scared. they took that as her trying to lure them into a trap. we still don't know what her motivation was. for saying that. it's quite clear now according to the police that she was not the suicide bomber. but she did say at one point i'm scared, i'm scared. he was -- he said it was an extraordinary seven hours. he had already commanded the group that went in to the jewish
supermarket siege here in paris in january so he was a man who's been in the heart of events like this before. but he said this was the most dangerous operation he's ever undertaken. kate? >> bill, so with the third individual who we now think is a man, have they given you anymore indication of why he was there? they think that he was the one to have blown himself up or ignited a suicide vest? >> reporter: again, it's -- you know, it's very complex. the paris prosecutor, for example, this morning said that this third individual, the body of the third person, was a woman. so we still, you know, don't know the gender. we don't know whether this person really did, you know, blow themselves up. i mean, it's impossible to work out whether they self detonated or they were hit by bullets and the suicide vest exploded. so, you know, nothing is terribly clear except the plain fact is that one of these people
exploded. and at that point, the soldiers, the s.w.a.t. team attacking the building thought that the whole building was going to collapse. kate? >> just to check in on one other front here, bill, i've been in paris until this morning. they have been looking for salah abdeslam. any new direction, any new guidance on whether they're closer to that man? >> reporter: no. none at all. remember, he is the man that hired the hotel rooms, hired several of the cars. he's on the run. it's not thought that he's in france. it's thought, in fact, he may be in belgium. police are still hunting him and one other man. and remember, the man who made or the person who made those identical suicide vests is also on the run. what we do know is that tragically the death toll has nowen creased here to 130. it's exactly a week. in fact, at this time, just a
week ago those three teams of terrorists would have been in their cars, probably five minutes away from their chosen targets. it's a chilling thought. 130 people that were, you know, are not alive today living their lives normally in restaurants and barps at the stade de france last week at this time. this is a solemn evening and the city of light today is a rather more dark place. kate? >> certainly is. bill, thank you so much. appreciate all the reporting. given today's events, a lot of people are asking, is there a connection between the mali attacks and the paris attacks. carried out last week. joining me, laura haim with us so frequently over the last week, white house correspondent for canal plus. good to see you again. what do you think about the connection? are these two completely different isolated incidents or should we read something into this? >> we don't know exactly if there's a connection or not. what we know is that in mali it
seems to be that and it's been confirmed minutes ago by the french minister it seems to be -- it's also an element involving the united states. mukhtar group wanted to attack the we shall targets. the hotel was an american name for the people who did this attack. and also, he attacked the americans a few years ago when in august he took hostages, american hostages, and he killed several of them. it was absolutely horrifying -- horrible. and then the american forces went to libya and u.s. air strike inside libya in 2015
tried to kill him. and in fact, apparently he was not killed. there is an awareness of what happened in mali this year and what happened in paris last week. in mali this year, in february, there was an attack against a restaurant in bamako. a shooting in front of a restaurant with the group which killed several people and the restaurant was called the terrace and now the attack on the hotel. paris, the attack on the restaurant and people also wanted to attack a hotel in paris. there's similarities. are they coordinated? we don't know. is it, again, for where several group, terrorist group to sent a message when i said us, france, the united states, probably yes. they want to show that they're
cooperating together and able to operate all over the world in a few days. and that's why it's quite wor railroad i ago vi least, at the very least, laura, france has a long history in the nation of mali. >> yes. that's also why it's a target because the french president francois hollande said i don't want the north of mali radicalized. you have to remember in 2012 and it's a very difficult thing for americans to understand that but mali, one of the most important country in africa. has a population of 14 million people. it's producing gold. it's a former french colony and in 2012 you have two al qaeda group who join together and who said we're going to colonize the north of mali. think took a city timbuktu and did horrible things in timbuktu. destroyed the art of timtimbukt
they prevented the woman to sing, prevented the artists to do anything. they fire a lot of books which were part of the heritage of the amazing country. and francois hollande in 2012 said we cannot accept that. we have to go there and we have to fight the islamization and al qaeda there. france sent troops. it was operation. extremely courageous. i heard that through different sources american forces in africa were in a way trying to see what the french were going in the north part of mali and the french president wanted to make sure that al qaeda understood that it was out of question for the french to have al qaeda taking over a country. >> laura haim with canal plus, thank you so much again. straight ahead, how paris is
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one week ago at this very minute paris was coming under attack. a suicide bomber set off his explosives outside the stade de france where france's president hollande with thousands of fans were all watching a soccer game between france and germany. that first explosion would set up a bloody night in the french capital that claimed 130 lives. what followed was a massive manhunt, nearly 800 raids now around the country looking for those behind the attack. olivia sterns at the place de la
republique in paris. olivia? >> reporter: yeah. you know, kate, this is the largest crowd we have seen here in several days now. there are a few hundred people there behind me all coming to pay tribute to the victims of the terrible attacks a week ago. they come with flowers, they come with signs. they come to light candles. the rain has dissipated and at the image you are looking at, you can see the top of the statue, the signs put up back in january and lower down are the fresh flowers and candles that have been lit for the victims of attacks last week. and it is a city that is once both shaky and yet eager to show their resilience. the difference is after the "charlie hebdo" attacks people thought it was targeted and it was a magazine that often mocked religion directly and what happened exactly one week ago tonight was very randomized violence. just people trying to go out and
enjoy their friday night and being gunned down in cold blood. kate? >> olivia, i'm trying to listen to see if people are cheering or marking the moment in any way. are you hearing anything? >> reporter: i heard a few cheers go up. i'm listening, as well. you might be able to hear faintly shouting. a touching moment was last night. not a protest but a muslim man who came and blindfolded himself and holding up a sign that said i'm a muslim but i am not a terrorist and a muslim man with a sign saying if you trust me hug me and he also was blindfolded. a lot of people i'm speaking today in france have been muslim and they have been saying how they're themselves more fearful in the wake of these attacks because there is this heightened stigma against them. they feel that the french are fearful of them and they're trying to maybe now you can hear more of the cheers have just gone up and clearly more people
out here trying to pay tribute to the victims and just a very emotional scene but a city eager to show their resilience, kate? >> can we just show that shot and just listen for a moment at the crowd? hear a little bit of music there in the background. olivia, the night when i was there, people were singing, guitarists out. it's become -- it's not joyous in any way but become sort of a focal point for the french people for the parisians to come and gather. >> reporter: exactly. i think french people are coming here to gather, to feel the support from one another and i think the question hanging over all their heads is, is this the
new normal? is this heightened state of fear and security the new normal and start to expect see armed guards standing outside the national landmarks like the eiffel tower and notre dame? we are six days in the state of emergency and nearly 800 raids, more than 100 arrests. this means every night people are going to bed in france wondering if the police are out, the military potentially and a raid just next door. some of the newspapers earlier were wondering of a permanent state of emergency and i think gnawing at french people, wondering if this is the new normal, a state of heightened anxiety and fear. kate? >> olivia, in paris, marking that one-week since the bloody attacks last week. thank you so much. u.s. special forces helped evacuate that mali hotel we have been talking about. now the u.s. is helping support french and malian forces with intel. how many u.s. personnel are
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president obama was briefed by national security aides today about the attack on the radisson hotel in mali. six americans were staying there. they're now safe and accounted for. the president is currently in malaysia attending a summit as part of a ten-day trip abroad. nbc's ron allen traveling with the president and has the very latest. >> reporter: kate, the minute this happened, the president was informed there. traveling here in malaysia attending regional summit meetings, a majority muslim country. the issue of the terrorism on the agenda here and has been on the other stops in the philippines and in turkey. u.s. officials here and elsewhere emphasizing to us mali is a place where there have been a series of terrorist attacks in recent couple of years on western targets. it is a hotbed of extremist activity. targets hit before, hotels and
restaurants. a u.n. peacekeeping force there targeted and there are u.s. special forces troops that have been in and out of the country assisting those peacekeepers and french troops trying to keep the situation in mali under control. at this point, we can't confirm the number of americans and told any time perhaps hundreds of mitt romneys in the area. aid workers, embassy staff going and going, contractors. a lot of activity there and the bottom line, we hear from u.s. officials is that it's a place that the united states citizens and the media for our part perhaps don't pay enough attention to. there's a lot of terrorism activity there. they're still trying to sort it out, whether or not there's a connection between what happened there and paris. of course, trying to determine whether isis which claimed responsibility in paris somehow may have inspired or contributed to this attack in mali indications initially that's not the case because the attack in mali, west africa, seems to have been carried out by al qaeda, a
different group. the president keeping tabs on everything going on. a lot of concern of global terrorism here and there. now back to you. >> all right. thank you so much. for more context on the attack on mali and what role the united states plays in that country i want to bring in colonel jake jacobs and msnbc military analyst and todd moss, senior fellow at the center for global development and former assistant deputy secretary of state. good to see you both, gentlemen. let's start with you, jack. ron just mentioned the u.s. military is involved in that part of west africa. how deeply involved? >> it depends on what time it is. and it depends on which country. we've been getting more deeply involved in africa but particularly over the last couple of years. we have been in east africa for sometime. we have a fairly substantial contingent in uganda and so on and in and out of mali and areas nearby a great deal. as ron said, we have special
forces there and have had them there and their purpose to train indigenous forces to train their own conventional forces to resist attacks like this. there's been a war there on and off for a long time. it was a serious war 2012 to 2013. the french involved in northern mali. got rid of the islamic extremists by and large. but, you know, you can't -- unless you control the terrain, you can't keep them away forever. they haven't in this case. the united states more involved over time. >> todd, you worked with the state department in west africa. you told us that you see this as part of a bigger picture, it is not just this one isolated attack in mali. >> well, the united states, you know, is getting more involved in that part of the world. partially for terrorism reasons, partially because west africa, i know this will be a surprise for many americans, west africa is doing well economically and the cultural links with the united states are also growing. so we're seeing americans across
the board in national security and commercial area and cultural area getting much more integrated in this part of the world. >> the u.s. deeply involved in trying to fight these al qaeda-linked groups? >> absolutely. you know, the united states, our national security is deeply connected to our ability to squeeze ungoverned spaces, northern mali mostly desert, very difficult to control. good terrain. if you're trying to hide out. and the united states is working with mali and actually all -- almost all of mali's neighbors to try to squeeze some of those hidden terror networks. >> welcoming at the pictures here, jack, and you see lots of men with guns who i presume are local forces. i know the french did send in forces this morning the try to get the situation under control. the u.s. military wouldn't have necessarily been hands on in this. >> no. as a matter of fact, you
mentioned the french. the french would have been involved hands on here. they were the guys who almost undoubtedly train these people conducted this operation and continuing to train them. the french have special forces and special operations forces in mali. they've got about 1,000 people in the country and probably more now and i think that contingent grows over time. we and the french have been and will more in the future more coordinate. >> todd, do you see, you know, we are all talking about this al qaeda group and then separately we have been talking about isis in paris. do you see any of these groups now beginning to maybe not officially merge but is the space -- i don't know the right way to say it, are they all starting to work together in any way? >> well, i think when's clear is we are seeing a lot of similar tactics, some of the similar language, the type of attacks. and i think it's important to recognize that we pay the most attention western targets like paris or western hotel in bamako
but the deadliest terror group is boko haram in northeastern nigeria. just this week, tuesday, there was a terrible suicide bombing in yola killing 45 people in northern nigeria. the next day wednesday there were a couple more suicide bombings in the big cultural and commercial capital of cano. so, we're still starting to see a pretty worrying pattern. but i think it's also important just as we wouldn't think of paris as terrorist attacks, we think of it as a vibrant cultural place, that's also true of mali. until recently mali was an extremely safe place. southern mali still roughly safe. i wouldn't go this week. but mali had a long history of being welcome, open, tolerant. it is the famed city of timbuktu and a crossroads of culture and commerce. and so, i hope that we're not going to define that whole
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welcome back. i'm kate snow with the breaking attack coverage of mali and paris. reports are that there are no more hostages inside the mali hotel that gunmen stormed earlier this morning. initial reports said 170 people were being held inside. we know there were 170 guests and staff on scene. six americans who were in the hotel at the time of the attack did make it out safely. we're now hearing reports that the woman in paris whose body was found in an apartment at the center of the saint-denis raids was not a suicide bomber. this is the news out of paris now. a third person, a third body,
found in that apartment is still unidentified at this hour. as i mentioned, we are getting new reports regarding the turn of events in that raid and cal perry here at msnbc has been following all of this for us. it's moving fast. there are a lot of conflicting pieces of information as bill neely was saying at the top of the hour but what do we know at this point about the woman we have been talking about? >> seems like less than 48 hours ago. as the investigation continues. let's play the clip of the back and forth with the police and i think that's a good starting point. and you hear the explosion there. now, initially police say she detonated the suicide vest. now they're saying it was a man next to her. now video where she has a
different become and forth with police and unclear whether or not she is involved in the terrorist cell so as they go through this, this is the fog of war now in a place that's not a war zone. >> i actually being in france yesterday, i was there until this morning, i heard that bit of audio you are talking about. same kind of thing. you see a still shot and you hear voices and nbc has not yet authenticated that tape so we're not hearing it and she is saying let me out. i'm scared. >> i'm scared. now we don't know, again, whether that was an attempt to draw in the police, closer or whether or not that was a legitimate plea. and that's why we're unable to independently authenticate it. french police trying to track down more people. the brother salah abdeslam. his brother blew himself outside of the stadium. >> an attack. >> they're trying to identify
who's the attackers. >> the woman who was not apparent lay suicide bomber they went to her mother's house yesterday. do we know more about where she is from, the outskirts of paris right? >> right. abaaoud trying to recruit more females to join him in france and he did that in spain. we think that this family is originally from morocco. another thing to keep in mind, initially we reported they were cousins. that's in the middle east very common sometimes that cousins maybe third or fourth. >> to say, hey cousin, as a term of endearment. >> right. that's something to recheck as they go through the signal intelligence and we know they had wiretaps on a lot of these people. >> a lot of questions remain about her involvement. thank you so much. france's senate voted today to extend the state of emergency for three months there after the lower house of parliament yesterday approved the same measure expanding police powers. for more on that, we're joined from paris with christopher
dickey from "the daily beast." good to see you. >> a pleasure, kate. >> we had been talking about it for the last couple of days, this is an expansion of powers. >> yeah. it is an extension of the state of emergency for three months. so that they can, in fact, use much more aggressive police tactics rounding people up and holding them for questioning and interrogating them because, frankly, everybody here is still worried there's a new attack. we have already heard from the prime minister that that's a real possibility. and what happened last wednesday in saint-denis when there was an attack narrowly averted has got people maybe even more on edge than a day or so after the attacks last friday. >> when's it like standing there right now? we just 20 minutes ago marked literally one week since the attacks. >> that's right. well, kate, this is -- you're right. one week to the hour since the
attacks. one week ago was a more pleasant evening an this even. warmer. people were in outdoor cafes. life was going on completely normally here in paris. and especially, in this neighborhood. and all of a sudden exactly one week ago you heard bombs. you heard shooting. you heard machine guns and you had just maybe a ten-minute walk down that street, you had the slaughter at the bataclan and 89 people died. the people you see here behind me, they're still trying to come to terms with that. they're making peace symbols, lighting candles, listening to mus music. there's a band with a truck went by. it's an act of defiance. this square is not full of people and one thing is because i think a lot of parisians and the french are still very nervous about what could happen next. >> in terms of the number of raids and police activity now, coupled with this extension of
this state of emergency, they have said close to 800 raids at this point. do you expect that that just continues through the weekend? >> oh, it's going to continue for quite a while. i think they have to take a position now that everybody that they have on s-file as it is called, everybody they thought might have gone to syria, might have supported anybody that went to syria, everybody that they think may have taken radical stands to haul them in, question them, search as much as they can. that's part of the reason for the extension of the state of emergency to take those kind of draconian measures. whether that's going to work, i don't know. they didn't -- they didn't fail to know that abdelhamid abaaoud was a dangerous guy and yet he seems to have moved around freely in and out of europe and france. >> thank you for being with us. >> thank you, kate. >> after the break, why mali
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history here. i know i had to really kind of read in this morning to try to figure out what was it about mali that might be connected potentially. are you still there or did we lose him? professor? are you back? i'm sorry. we lost your signal for a moment. can we see you now? okay. you are back. for a moment your signal went away. appreciate your patience. i was saying i think a lot of us don't know the history of the region and the country in particular. help us to understand the context for what happened today. >> well, mali was a french colony years ago and goes back to before 1960. more recently, the site of a big democratic state building of the 1990s and taken over the northern part by separatist groups and islamist groups in 2012. france intervened in 2013 with african support, notably from chad and pushed groups out of the north very much and sahara is a dangerous space of which the groups survive if not to
flourish in recent years and likely one of the group that is staged the attack today in the hotel in bamako, the capital, much further south and mostly g that contagioused tstaged these. >> the group that's taking responsibility, an al qaeda-linked militant group called almour bat you know. >> they've been linked more recently with al qaeda. but they have no known links to the islamic state. as we try to make a comparison to what happened in france a week ago. >> so not likely this was in any way coordinated with isis? >> highly unlikely, but it remains to be seen. >> because there are other groups in africa, boko haram,
who have said things about isis and being supportive of isis, no? >> well, that's true and there's some admiration amongst these jihadi groups and their leadership. those in the sahara tend to break off and compete with each other. so there are two or three figures that may be behind these attacks. >> thank you. straight ahead, the fbi on alert for potential paris copycats here at home. not from returning foreign fighters, but from people already within u.s. borders. stay with us. we're trying to give them all the feeling of being at the stadium. the microsoft cloud gives us the scalability to communicate exactly the content that people want to see. it will help people connect to their passion of living real madrid.
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at home. pete, what's the thinking of u.s. officials on the danger? >> i don't think the mali attacks have changed anything. paris was certainly a hinge point, i think, for the response. but you have to remember, that the overall posture of the fbi hasn't changed in the past year and a half when the fbi began to get worried about people in the u.s. inspired by social media to carry out attacks here. there have been approximately 70 arrests. but since paris, the fbi says they're increasing the number of people that are being watched closely. they told us it was dozens. we think that number is about 50. and the 70 is the number who have been arrested in isis-related cases. people who have intended to carry out attacks here, or have attempted to get to syria and come back. we learn an interesting number about that, kate.
about the foreign fighter number, the number of americans trying to get to syria and took up with isis. 250. that's the people who have tried to go there, or gone and not come back, or gone and not hooked up with isis. the fbi said the number of americans thought to have gone and come back after associating with isis, is in the teens. so that's the much smaller number than the estimated 5,000 people in western europe who have gone from those countries to syria, associated with isis and come back, which presents an enormous challenge for authorities there to try to keep track of them. >> and pete, there's been so much criticism in france, the fact that abaaoud may have gone to syria and come back into france and was killed this week. is there concern like that here in america, that someone could slip back in? or are the systems here tighter
enough that they're not worried about that? >> of course they don't know what they don't know. but they've tried to increase, to get a much better handle on people who leave here and go to syria. nobody files a flight plan to go to syria directly. they often will go indirectly, go to some country, work their way down to turkey and slip into syria and get back out again. so it does present an american challenge, but i think american officials have a pretty good handle on it. >> pete williams, thanks so much for checking in. appreciate it. for the past week, brian williams and i have been reporting on the paris attacks and now mali today. brian's going to join us for more coverage right after this break. this is brad.
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bamako in mali earlier today. it killed 23 people. according to authorities, the incident has now concluded and there are no remaining hostages in the building. although at one time, that hotel was said to be full of 170 people. in paris, news this hour, the woman that we'd all been focusing on, haz na at beulah senn, who blew herself up in a suburb of paris during a police raid. now we're told she did not ignite a suicide vest, and there was a third individual in that area when the raid went off. that individual has not been identified. and we're waiting for more information about who that person was and whether that person was the one who detonated the suicide vest. all this coming on a week to the day since the attacks in paris, almost to the hour now.
brian williams was with us a week ago, as we began our breaking news coverage of paris, and brian, you're back with us again at this one-week mark. >> here you are fresh off an airplane from paris. a week ago, you were in the middle of your broadcast, and the initial report came in as a shoot-out in a restaurant in paris. that's all we knew. and as we both watched and witnessed and broadcast all that night and the subsequent days, it was of course so much more than that. but, kate, as you said, today's breaking news story takes us to the south on the continent of africa, the western part of africa, to mali. this attack at a hotel frequented by a lot of westerners, a lot of tourists, a lot of fly crews from visiting airlines. we talked about the death toll. we want to go a little deeper in to what may be at work here. nbc's ayman mohyeldin covers the region for us.
mali is close to be two separate countries. the northern half has been fought over to a much greater extent than the southern half. >> reporter: absolutely. the concentration of power and economic wealth has always been in the southern part of the country. most americans will know the northern part of mali for timbuktu and its famous ancient ruins there, but even in the past couple of years, despite the fact that the central government was showing signs of progress, the overall situation in the country was deteriorating. in 2012, there was a military coup against the leadership of the country. and as soon as that happened, we saw a sudden explosion of militant jihadist groups in the northern part of country, some of them affiliated with al qaeda. they seized on the chaos in the capital to carve out for themselves, the northern part of the country, and they were able to bring in their vision of shari'a law.
they were able to take control of it, they were able to ruin some of those ancient sites that the world knew, and that prompted the french to carry out air strikes and to put an end to their control of the northern part. that was good news for the central government, which was able to reclaim some of that northern territory and drive out the jihadist militants that were there and disperse them. the problem is that for the ensuing two years, what we saw is a growing wave of terrorist attacks by these rebel groups in the northern part of the country, and on occasion, in the capital bamako. this would be by far the most brazen attack in the past two years, given not only the death toll, but the very symbolic nature of what they went after, how they did it, and the sophistication that was involved in getting past such a secure compound like this raddison
hotel. >> thank you, ayman. now let's go to jim miklaszewski on duty at the pentagon. here we have another militant jihadist battleground on the earth. second, so many people expect the u.s. military to come in and do something. that happened today by happen stance. we had some special operators there? >> that's exactly right. six americans managed to evacuate that hotel safely. five of them were civilian d.o.d., defense department personnel or u.s. military. so they were able to get out of the hotel safely when those gunmen grabbed up at least two dozen hostages. and then what happened, there are 26 u.s. special operations forces that are pretty much assigned to mali for the time being and they're spread out across the country to train mali security forces in terms of any
kind of quite frankly the basics of u.s. military operations. well, what happened is, there was one of these special operators, off duty, who happened to be in the region. so he heard the sound of gunfire, immediately rushed toward the hotel, and then assisted in escorting, getting some of those civilians out of that hotel and to safety. in addition, there was another special operations forces soldier who is working at the command center with the mali security forces to guide them along through the process of trying to rescue, take down the hostage-takers and rescue as many hostages as they could, brian. >> that second special operator was there as part of a conference of u.n. peacekeepers from various nations. so as we go into the could, how can the u.s. help, what comes to mind? >> in terms of mali, the best
thing they can do is continue to provide the kind of military support and training for all of those forces. in terms of this specific operation, they will clearly share any kind of intelligence that the u.s. military and/or fbi and cia and quite frankly, intercept satellites and the like to try to narrow down and pinpoint who exactly was responsible. who ordered this operation and then what do you do about it? >> jim, thanks. and now let's shift our focus to the north situation that kate snow foreshadowed for us. the terrorist attacks in paris a week ago tonight that have our attention squarely on paris for this past week. kelly cobiella is in paris and has a look at the news from there today. kelly? >> brian, first off, we're hearing these reports now in several french media outlets.
this so-called female suicide bomber in the saint-denis flat, did not flow herself up. the woman was killed by an explosion set off by a third suspected terrorist inside that apartment on wednesday morning. the third body was found yesterday. that at least has been confirmed. what we don't know is the identity or the gender of that third body. none of that has been confirmed yet from french prosecutors. so an interesting twist there. you'll recall there was some audio recorded possibly by a neighbor of hers, responding to police instructions. police saying, where's your boyfriend, where's your friend, and her saying, he's not my boyfriend, and then of course explosion. we also have more explosion, brian, on the suicide bombers,
new reports out of the french prosecutor's office. they are confirming to nbc news that two of the suicide bombers at the stade de france actually came in to europe through greece. both fingerprinted in greece. both identified through those fingerprints. so they apparently came through sometime in early october. no i.d.s, no formal i.d.s or names on them yet and then finally, reports that abaaoud, the suspected ring leader who was killed in that saint-denis raid, was actually spotted on surveillance video using the metro, paris's underground, paris's subway system, the night of the attacks. brian, there are still a lot of unanswered questions about him. about when he came back into europe. about who knew what when. the interior minister saying yesterday they only realized he
was back in europe on monday, after the attacks. and that that intelligence game from a non-european intelligence agency. brian? >> you and i were walking around the area where you are. what evidence would there be? what would we see and hear to indicate it was a week tonight since the first attack? >> oh, brian, it's so much different than it has been over the past couple days. just as i was walking through place de la republique, there are young people who have brought music, which is blaring tonight and they're dancing in the middle of the square. just down the street, thecafes are full with people enjoying a night out. it's almost eerie, because the memorials and the candles and the flowers are still out.
but it's almost as if it was a week ago tonight before the attacks happened. people are out, people are living, people are enjoying themselves, brian. >> what a nice thing, going out in one of the nicest place to eat and drink and socialize, is also considered one patriotic duty tonight in paris a week after such awfulness. >> kelly, thank you as all. we also want to welcome in laura haim of the candle plus cable network. laura, we've had this shift in the story in our belief systems and what we thought we knew about this 26-year-old and how she died today. and that has been an interesting plot line to follow. >> yes, absolutely. because again the raid people, when they arrived, they were absolutely convinced that during the raid in saint-denis, with the big explosion, a sniper was
looking from the window to what happened inside the apartment, and they told us they were convinced that the woman had a belt full of explosive and that she was going to blow up herself. there was a big explosion. it was dark, they didn't see what happened. they were convinced again, the woman blew herself up, and in fact, it was a man close to her. it took them several days to find that. why? because the bodies were completely mutilated, in multiple pieces. so it took them time to double-check. they did dna tests. yesterday some investigators went to the mother of this woman to collect some clothes and they double-checked, did additional dna tests, some forensics and now they told us that a man exploded near her and in the brutality of the explosion, she
died. according to my sources, they thought that she also had a suicide vest, but she doesn't explode herself and that's what, keep in mind, she was not the first woman to explode herself in europe as we all believed. >> laura haim, thank you very much for that. not quite the plot line we had thought during the period after that raid when we first learned of her and of her role. kate snow is going to take over our coverage among other things. kate, i know you have an analyst there talking about the latest news tonight out of paris. >> yeah, brian. we're basically getting a new videotape in that we want to talk about. over the past week, we've seen several tapes like this coming out of isis. these are propaganda videos. they're clearly intended to incite people, intended for us
to play them on the media. this one is called paris is collapsing. it shows a graphic simulation of the eiffel tower collapsing. again, this is an isis propaganda video, sent by them, and joining me now is the man who analyzes these videos for us. disturbing video to watch this one. laith alkhouri, terror director of research and analysis on the middle east and north africa. thank you for being with us. it's tough to watch this one. it's disturbing. it's a simulation, just a graphic they've put together. their sophistication in terms of video-making seems to be getting better every one of these. >> absolutely. isis has revolutionized how jihadist release media and their propaganda machine is very well oiled. the graphics are very slick. but again, the message behind it. it's purely propaganda, but also they're trying to say, that
france, this is not over. essentially they said france is burning. now paris is collapsing. to say that after the aftermath of the attacks in france, we'll get france down to the valley. it's not going to take it up the hill. that means france is to expect more attacks. >> do they single anyone out in the latest video, because yesterday we had paris then rome, yesterday, it showed times square in new york. does it get specific? >> it doesn't get specific in threats to other countries, but specific to president hollande, saying you have not seen the last of us. this is not the worst to come. they're trying to ignite more fear. they're trying to say the terror is not over and that we are keeping an eye on france as a primary target. and some of the fear here in the united states has been the fbi director talking about this yesterday, that perhaps these tapes could inspire someone, a lone wolf, someone who's not at
all in communication with isis, but sees things like this, and thinks, i'm going to do something terrible? >> absolutely. post france attack, a lot of the attackers have been glorified and seem like jihadist celebrities. if there's a disaffected person in the united states who wants to carry out attacks on behalf of isis, he would be similarly glorified. and they're trying to say, you could be somebody who is recognized in defense of the islamic state if you do something like that. >> we were sitting here when kelly was reporting from paris saying that there's now a surveillance tape potentially showing abaaoud, the organizers of last week's attack, traveling on the paris metro system. you haven't seen this yet. you've been combing the web and you haven't seen that particular surveillance tape yet? >> i have no seen that particular surveillance, but if indeed the rumor is true that he traveled on the subway or mass
transit, that shows you that there is, again, very massive intelligence failure to took place in france. the mere fact that abaaoud was able to travel into syria, into europe, into syria and back into europe, just shows you, while his name and picture was everywhere, he was able to sneak into the country and plot such terror attacks. >> what he had bragged about in previous videos. >> he did in isis english language magazine, while saying my picture and my name was everywhere, while they tried to catch me, while i was connected to other plots, yet i was able to escape. >> laith alkhouri, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. attacks on western targets in mali are more frequent that most people realize and that truth is having a direct impact on the presence of american military there. we'll take an in-depth look at that issue coming up next.
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>> mali, the site of today's deadly attack, has been battling islamic terrorism for years. islamic fighters with ties to al qaeda occupied the northern part of the country for most of 2012 before they were then driven out by a french-led military operation. joining me now, msnbc discovery desk editor, cal perry. we're all just learning about mali, which is sad to say, we don't pay a lot of attention. what have you learned? >> 2012, there was a coup in the country and the groups in the north are becoming more bold. there was an attack at a hotel in august.
we have a map here. the attack in august was in the middle of the country, in the center part of the country. this is in the south. this is penetrating the security forces, this is penetrating the government. and that makes a statement, because they're moving further and further south. this countries has an arab north and an african south, as many african countries do. it's pretty much divided. the french clearly, as we get an updated death toll of 23 killed, 19 civilians, three attackers, one member of the malian special forces. the french are going to have to get more involved as these groups splinter and they try to figure out if the claim of responsibility was accurate. >> and the question for many people in france is a similar question that we're asking here, will there be ground troops one day? this certainly looks as though it would propel the political
discussion in that direction. >> will there be french ground troops? >> exactly. similar to the conversation we have here about syria and iraq, as there's this insurgency that rages in mali and is targeting the heart of the malian government. >> cal perry, thank you. brian? >> we have chris fossil lined up to talk to us, because in addition to being a co-author, his years as a navy seal, and specifically to this hotel incident today in mali, has it changed the training of special operators in general, but navy seals specifically? do you train now for attackers who either expect to lose their own lives or intend to take their own lives as opposed to 20, 30 years ago? >> well, brian, yes. it's a great point.
the changes here started in the early days in the fight in iraq, when these types of really extreme fighters started to present themselves on the battlefield. so there's a constant relationship between what's going on, on the field, and what folks are planning for before they deploy. so, yeah, over the last 10 to 15 years, the whole approach of special operations has been changed by having this extremist fighter on the battlefield. like in paris, like we've seen today, these tactics that have arisen in the trenches of the battlefields in iraq and afghanistan, to see that populate around the world, that's a much different parra -- para dime. so forces will probably start to see a much more in-depth approach on how to work with the local forces and handle handle these types of threats. >> and though no one should ever bet against a u.s. special operator, i imagine it's tough
dealing with an enemy, let's say, in the case of paris, intends at some point in the firefight, intends during some point of the attack, to kill themselves? >> that's right, brian. it changes the entire fight, right. especially when there are hostages involved. the french commandos did an amazing job in paris. with this level of extremist fighter. saving as many hostages, putting their own lives at risk to do so. knowing they had committed fighters in the buildings that were willing and planning to give their own lives. but it changes the tactics on it and the mental landscape of the fight. >> so the story goes that we had one or two special operators in mali attending a u.n. peacekeeping conference of all thing, but knowing their job and their mission, they peeled off, went directly over to the hotel, put yourself in that situation. what do you do upon arrival, in addition to talking to the local
army and police who are engaged. how do you possibly find out how many guests, do a head count, sadly, ask about dead and wounded? >> right. i commend the operators that ran to the scene, not surprising there, knowing their mentality. a bit of irony in what they were doing there. just chaos with information flow when these things are happening. so you're going through a mental sort of triage on what information's out there, what do you believe, what are the next actions? operators like this would show up and offer their support to the local forces, help them establish a command center, help them think through what's the information that we know, what are we trying to accomplish in the next 30 seconds, ten minutes, hour, those sorts of things. >> chris, thank you very much for being with us. the co-author of "team of
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because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. let's begin this half hour with new information out of paris, one week since the attacks there. information now about the woman who we had thought killed herself during a raid in a paris suburb on wednesday morning. we are now hearing reports that she did not kill herself, that she did not explode a suicide vest and that there was potentially a third person who was killed in that raid. nbc's bill neely joins us from paris. our chief global correspondent, with more on the very latest. bill? >> reporter: yes, good afternoon, kate. a third body has now been removed from that apartment, stormed by the elite squads of police on wednesday. after examining that body, the police have now said that the
woman, hasna aitboulahcen, that they had previously said was a suicide bomber, did not, in fact, blow herself up. careful examination of the remains of the bodies they found, has led them to that conclusion. but she was in that apartment with the ring leader of the attacks that began here almost exactly one week ago. in fact, at this time a week ago, the terrible events at the bataclan nightclub were still going on. a short time ago here in the place de la republique, they turned the music up at about 9:25, almost exactly when the attacks began. paris defiantly showing that they will not be beaten by these attacks. now i talked earlier today to the commander of the raid at that apartment block in saint-denis, a captain who called himself ugo, not his real name, and he described the seven-hour assault that took place on wednesday. he said they went in believing that there were four terrorists
in the apartment. they were immediately hit by a wall of gunfire, and he knew this was a very, very serious situation. he said when the suicide bomber blew themselves up, he said suddenly there was a blinding flash of light, and then a terrible noise that shook the apartment so much he thought the whole house was going to collapse. i asked him why they thought it was necessary to fire 5,000 bullets at the apartment. he said these were very well organized, well trained terrorists. he said they knew where to fire, when to fire, how to hide. he said they knew exactly what they were doing and that they were cold-blooded doing it. he said they all felt a patriotic duty when they went into that apartment block. he was on the second floor, the terrorists were on the third floor. it was a very dramatic account. remember, the police only had five people injured. he showed us the shields they had used, which were riddled with bullets.
one helmet of an officer which had a bullet hole in the front and came out the back. i suggested that was a very lucky officer and he said absolutely. so an extraordinary tale. of course the police are still looking for two men on the run, ask they are still looking for the master bomb-maker who constructed seven suicide belts, used at around this time exactly a week ago. paris, the city of light, today a rather dark place. most of the day it was pouring with rain. and at the sites of those massacres, it was a really poignant and sad scene. but people here determined that the terrorists will not win. one of the signs said our love is greater than your hate. kate? >> bill, let me ask you about one other report. one of the people who was killed in that raid in the outskirts of paris abdelhamid abaaoud, we've been talking about him all week, considered to be the organizers of last week's attacks.
there's a report on reuters at this hour, based on police sources, saying that perhaps this man, abaaoud, used the paris metro, the subway, on the very night of the attacks. and that he's perhaps been seen in surveillance footage. if that's the case, and we've not confirmed this report, but if reuters reporting is right, that would be a huge, huge error by french intelligence, would it not? >> yes. reuters are reporting that the police have this cctv video which they are not releasing to us and i have not seen. but with apparently it shows abaaoud at around 10:00. the significance of that, we've always called him the ring leader. but clearly he was much more than that. this was a man who not only organized and coordinated these massacres, but was actually on the ground, possibly watching them happen, and i talked to one anti-terror expert yesterday who
said that was his modus operandi that he liked to be in the heart of the action, he wasn't just a back-room organizers. so if that's true, and they do have cctv video of him, then that suggests that's exactly what he was doing. the video was at a metro station quite cleose to where one of th cars used by the terrorists was abandoned. so one has any doubt that this man was central to one of the worst massacres in france since world war ii that happened a week ago. >> bill, thank you very much. we'll send it back over to brian now. brian? >> kate, thanks. we are joined on the topic of mali, the terrorist attack there today by tom sanderson with the center for strategic and international studies. tom studies militant groups and in doing so, was there in bamako
very recently. tom, you visited this radisson, but stayed somewhere else. what else did you observe while there? >> well, we went there, my colleague jennifer cook and i, to look at a range of issues from the militant groups to the response by the u.n., to the response by the french and the other neighboring countries. but in particular, with the radisson blu, we showed up, the guards let us through. we were with two local guys who were well known. they came and gave a cursory look to the vehicle and let us through. i don't know if this scenario is the same. but it is the radisson. they do have good security, but when you have guys show up with guns, things get difficult very quickly. we did not stay there, we decided to stay elsewhere, and we're glad we did.
nonetheless, the country itself is in tatters for an ongoing insurrection and war with islamists. we have about 900 soldiers there, but the country is in a lot of trouble. >> knowing what you know was this action because there are 900 french soldiers there, because of the french history there, because of the french military and the last major action in the north? >> it's a combination of things. so the french came in after islamist forces in the north advanced southward towards bamako. but there have always been french troops circulating in and out of this region, and in and out of this country. so if this was a splinter from al qaeda, they were already in the north for many years, having been pushed south by the algerians into the northern mali desert. so it certainly could be that the french were part of the target package here for these
militants, but i think they were simply targeting a western institution and hoping to kill westerners in support, in advance of their larger goal of routing the french, damaging the west, killing westerners and weakening the client state of the west, as they would have it. >> can i ask why you chose not to stay at the hotel we're covering today because it was under attack? >> a number of reasons. i won't get into all of them. but i don't want people figuring out why we stay at certain hotels. we stay at hotels that have facilities that we need, and stay away from western hotels in countri countries, knowing they've been hit. i had a close call at the marriott in 2008 in islamabad. i left that hotel only hours
before it was completely destroyed by that large bomb that killed around 55 people in islamabad. so i've had close calls at western hotels, and i sometimes like to stay in other places. though, ironically, those are the hotels, the western ones, with the best security, yet they are the biggest target. so there's a tension there in deciding where you want to stay. >> too often they've been big western targets. thank you very much, tom sanderson, for being with us tonight. our live coverage will continue right after this. believe it. at&t and directv are now one.
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of the cobra. it's been lifted out of this movie trailer. we think probably easier to do that off the trailer. when you go ahead to the original isis video, you can see just under the eiffel tower, one of the alien aircraft from the movie. >> and yet the isis video is full of, they call the attacks in france glad tidings, using the language of the season perversely, and so on, trying to tell us all about the collapse of paris. cal perry, thank you. very quick work. we're going to go over to kate. >> brian, let's go back to the situation in mali. the hotel attack this morning, just the latest violence to beset that country. u.n. peacekeepers deployed to the country in 2013, have been the target of 40 attacks by militant groups, making mali, arguably the most dangerous peacekeeping mission in the world according to my next
guest, peter yo is with us. peter, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> why does the u.n. view mali as such a dangerous place? >> well, unfortunately the crisis in mali runs far deeper than today's incredibly tragic attack. it's important to remember that for a while mali was on the rise, but the islamic extremists, particularly in the north are intent on instituting shari'a law and took action to take advantage of the political instability in the whole country. so as a result, united nations peacekeepers are viewed as targets. because they're working with the political parties in the country to find a way forward. and in fact, it's important to remember that at the hotel today that was attacked by the terrorists, there was a sixth round of peace negotiations that were occurring under u.n. sponsorship. so, 40 peacekeepers have been killed. it is the most dangerous
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all weekend long, people know you just came back from paris. what was it like? >> you know, i've been to paris before, and it's a beautiful place. it's a lovely place. but right now, it's a place in mourning, a place that is heavy with grief and fear. i think people are very jumpy and on edge. i took some photos, brian, and maybe we can show them. that's a live shot, i think, of the place de la republique. but that's a photo of a child's drawing that i took in the same memorial. look at the eagles of death metal still on the marquee at the bataclan theater, frozen in time. that's a restaurant that we saw in the closed cctv video, that came out, and the sign out front that says, why. the bottles and the tables are still set from one week ago. one week ago this very hour, those shootings were taking place. you can still see the bullet holes, brian, in the front left
door, and the word "courage" that someone's written on the front. there are a lot of scenes like that, everywhere you go. and these are other photos, that one's blurry, but the eiffel tower is in the background there. i took these for my kids to show that things do carry on. that's a school class that walked by me. there's people getting on the metro. so in some ways, they've had to move forward, obviously. they're living as normal as they can be, a normal life, back to work, back to school, with this pall over the place. >> important to tell your children because they've been seeing part of the coverage, no doubt, that in this big city, there are moms and dads and kids that are going on with their lives. >> my kids remember the glass pyramid in front of the louvre, but now there are security guards with ak-47s standing in front of that glass pyramid.
i may not show my kids that one. >> and the new york you came back to changed while you were away. >> that's right. >> a lot of automatic weapons and heavily armed people through new york and washington. >> it was very surreal to be in france and seeing that image of times square when this is my home. i think we all share that feeling. thank you for being with me. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. >> good evening from washington. this is "mtp daily's" continuing special coverage of the global response to the terror attacks in paris. and now tonight, a new terror attack in the african nation of mali where 23 people are dead after gunmen stormed a hotel and took as many as 170 people hostage for hours. the latest on that situation later tonight. as well as new developments in paris where the