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rally against islamaphobia. these aren't the kind of images that have dominated the news over the last 24 hours or the last week, but this is happening across the country tonight as well. "msnbc live" is next. good morning, everyone. i'm alex witt. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." we begin in the aftermath of the terror attacks in paris. brussels is under the highest terror alert and police and military continue to search for suspects in last week's paris terror attacks. we have last minute information and we'll be joined from brussels in a moment. meantime, police in turkey detained three men in connection with the paris attacks. reuters reports that at least one of the men was scouting possible target locations for
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isis. now, parisians paid tribute those killed in last friday's attacks. they gathered at sites in which 130 people died and hundreds more were injured. french and other european officials discussed the tight upping -- tightened control. then in mali, at least 20 people including one american are dead in an attack on the radisson hotel in the nation's capital of bamako. scores had been held hostage by two heavily armed attackers. the mali military reports both were killed in the siege. al qaeda affiliated terrorist group has claimed responsibility for attack. president obama in the southeast asia country of malaysia condemned the attacks and praised security forces. >> security forces and our own diplomatic agents rushed in to pull people to safety. french troops and american forces who were in the country
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for training missions provided support as did the united nations forces. and thanks to the swift action and skill of all involved, many people escaped. and lives were saved. and the terrorists were prevented from causing any more bloodshed. >> well, let's start in paris. the very latest on the terror investigation and the new arrests overnight in turkey. we go to nbc's kelly cobiella. >> reporter: alex, good morning. the three men who were detained in turkey are detained in connection with the paris attacks. the rest of the information, the details we're getting about what kind of connection they have are all coming from the state run news agency and privately run news agencies within turkey and this is how they say the connection worked. they say the three men were spotted in the southern coastal city of turkey earlier this week. they were followed by turkey's counterterrorism officers and
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finally detained when they -- one of the men was at a luxury hot hotel. they brought one in as well as two syrians spotted on a road nearby. they believed that the two syrians were sent in to turkey to escort this man to the turkish syrian border and the other man, this 26-year-old belgian reportedly was involved in scouting sites for the paris attacks. that's the information we're getting at this point from the turkish state news agency and private agencies within turkey. again, the details not yet confirmed by nbc news. alex? >> okay. kelly, a week later, can you describe what it is like in paris for those residents? >> reporter: well, it's much different than it was obviously, alex, last saturday at this
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time, paris, a city in mourning last saturday. still trying to identify the dead. families not knowing if their family members were among the victims. this morning people are out and about. it's a cold november day in paris. but people are bundled up, walking around, going for runs. they're doing their shopping and last night we saw something different as well. a different way of commemorating those lives lost. people gathered at a lot of the memorial sites to light candles and pray. and they went out with their friends, they set up sort of a makeshift dancehall in the middle of plaza de la republique and it was a sign of defiance last night. >> and a show of an indomitable experience. kelly cobiella, thank you. well, let's get the latest from mali now. nbc's gabe gutierrez is joining me from the london bureau. i know people are still on edge following yesterday's attack. what are you learning about the
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investigation? >> reporter: alex, good day. today, mali is in a state of emergency following that horrifying attack at the radisson blu hotel in the country's capital friday morning. at least 20 people are dead. including one american. she's been identified as 41-year-old anita datar from maryland. her family says they're devastated. president obama expressing condolences overnight. two american special forces who happen -- special agents who happened to be close by assisted the high risk rescue operation. the united nations says at least two heavily armed gunmen stormed the hotel and witnesses say they were shooting at everything that moved. releasing hostages who could prove they were muslim by reciting passages from the koran. but killing those who couldn't. malian security forces launched a counterattack ending the siege which lasted for several hours and killing the attackers. the group claiming responsibility is an african
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jihadist organization linked to al qaeda. nbc news can't verify that claim. but the group has attacked westerners in mali before. and has fought the french backed government of the country, which is a former french colony. northern mali has been unstable since a military coup in 2012. a military intervention drove back the his islamic extremists but they have extended further south this year. again, alex, at least 20 people were killed in the latest attack, 19 civilians. and one soldier. and the associated press reports that security forces are searching for at least three other suspects in connection with the attack. >> pretty chilling details from survivors, more of which are likely to come. thank you. joining me now from brussels for more on the terror alert there, claudio lavanga. do you see a greater police presence in that city? >> alex, indeed, yes, you do i
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mean, there are soldiers everywhere. you see them walking the street. you see them guarding shopping centers. theaters. movie theaters, hotels. they are wherever. there is even a military assault vehicle parked right in front of the old stock exchange. you can see behind me, this for the locals here, residents of brussels is surreal. it's literally turned into a military zone. well, we spoke to a couple of people who were leaving brussels, of course they're concerned. but they're also angry because the security measures implemented to the highest level are now affecting their way of life. their entire subway system is closed off, and concerts and events have been closed. exhibition centers will be closed. well, they're not used to it. this is only the third time that the threat level has been raised to number four which is the highest here. but the authorities of course
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say that they wouldn't have done that if they didn't think the threat is serious, real and concrete. now the prime minister fear they'd be a coordinated attack similar to paris. >> i know you're keeping a vigilant eye on things for us. meantime, joining me now, former intelligence officer malcolm nance. and malcolm, with a good morning to you, let's talk about belgium right here. the crisis alert level having been raised to level four in the capital of brussels that indicates a serious and immediate threat. so what does that tell you about the intelligence they have been receiving? >> well, this is extraordinary what's going on in belgium right now. for the size of the country, which is an extremely small country, in europe, it tells me that they have gained some very accurate intelligence and have decided to act on it now. and they're going -- apparently with the cooperation of the french, the other members of the european union and interpol and they have decided they're going to pull out all of the
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infiltrators and people who have been supporting isis and other groups, root and branch. it is absolutely astounding to see this level of security there. as they say, brussels is a small, beautiful little sleepy town and for it to have armored personnel carriers and soldiers in the street with live ammo is extraordinary. >> and what is also extraordinary is how brussels has become a hub of illegal arms traffic. many of the paris attackers were based in belgium. we were talking about this last week and you're not surprised by belgium. why not? >> well, in fact, belgium has a long history of participation in the islamic jihadist world. as a matter of fact, during the i -- during the iraq insurgency, our first husband and wife suicide bombing team which drove dual car bombs into police stations in baquba was a catholic woman from here and her
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husband, and the belgian community itself has a very strong muslim community. but within inside that is a nucleus of people who have isolated themselves, don't interact and they have created essentially a european hub for islamic extremism. much in the way it used to exist in england back in the 1980s. that's why i'm not surprised, however, i don't think it's going to last long. i think the entirety of europe and its muslim community is turning on these people and i think they're going to get quite a bit of them out. >> well, let's hope you're right on that. given also that brussels and paris now intertwined really most in the awful way forever. quickly, about mali, i want to talk about the al qaeda linked group. this is not isis, which has claimed responsibility for it. what do we know about this group? and is there a deadly rivalry between these two foes? >> well, we're talking about a group called al mourabitoun and the al mourabitoun were led by mokhtar belmokhtar. he is very well known, former
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commander of al qaeda the islamic maghreb. that's al qaeda in the north. he carried out the gas raid which was a raid on the oil processing facility in south southeastern algeria which killed dozens and dozens of people including westerners, and he split from al qaeda's aqim and created his own organization. he's still loyal to al qaeda, because his deputies split from him and pledged his loyalty to isis so it's quite anybody you us will who carried out the attack. there was a hotel siege of similar characteristic last august which killed five u.n. workers. so for the most part they're in rivalry. but terrorists don't plan their missions on the basis of what other terrorists do. they may accelerate the time table, but they generally don't want to compromise their intelligence collection and all of their ability to carry out the mission. but there is a rivalry now.
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isis is the up and coming young start -- upstart in the jihadi world and al qaeda is the main stay. they within these dispirit areas, they are carrying out attacks, and they do have a method -- an ability of jealousy. >> all right, malcolm nance, thank you so much this morning. i want to bring all of you up to date on the american killed in the mali terror attack. you heard gabe gutierrez reporting about her, but family members say 41-year-old anita datar from tacoma park, maryland, lived a life devoted to others. she was killed at the radisson blu hotel in mali's capital. president obama is in malaysia today at a summit with the association of southeast nations but even overseas he can't escape weighing in on the refugee controversy brewing here at home. >> as long as i'm president we're going to keep on stepping up and making sure that america
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remains as it has always been -- a place where people who in other parts of the world are subject to discrimination or violence, that they have in america a friend. and a place of refuge. >> nbc's ron allen is in kuala lumpur with more on this. good day to. what prompted the president's comments? >>. >> reporter: well, this is something that the president has spoken out during his trip to asia. he obviously feels very passionate about the issue of refugees. he's lashed out, ridiculed, used strong language to those who say this should be a pause on the refugees. he has a plan to admit 10,000 syrians over the next year or so. the president emphasized it's a very stringent process that
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takes two years before someone could be approved for entry into the united states and make the point they're widows, women, children, families, not men, not terrorists. so the president used the occasion of the visit to a refugee center here in malaysia. it's a center -- a foundation that helps refugees, mostly from miramar, also burma. 150,000 have come from there here to malaysia and most are transiting here to the united states. so it was a moment where the president was very fatherly. he was down on his knees, talking to the young children who are 5, 6, 9, 10 years old, doing handy crafts, math, so on and so forth, trying to put a human face on this issue. the president making the point that these children could be children from anywhere. american children, children from syria. children from iraq or anywhere. any war torn country. and the president was saying that we should open up our hearts to these kids, we should
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care about them and help them and that this talk about sending people back home or making a test between christians and muslims just brings out the worst in people. and the president said at one point it should just stop. something he's spoken forcefully about. >> and unfortunately given the timing of the attacks, the president had to address what happened in mali. >> reporter: indeed, alex. terrorism is never far from the agenda. hasn't been since the paris attacks, since the mali attacks. this is a country also on the front lines as an a ally in the war against terrorism, but predominantly a muslim country, and it was largely the economic summit the centerpiece of it was the obama administration pushing their trade deal. the transpacific partnership. the historic trade deal between the united states and 11 other nations in this part of the world. that the president wants the congress to approve before he leaves office. a real legacy issue. but the about thes in paris, the attack in mali last night have
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refocused attention on the issue of terrorism. and the president condemned the attack and spoke out forcefully saying this should strengthen our resolve. he spoke out about a number of other issues but terrorism just can't -- is always somewhere near the top of the agenda and the president is saying that they -- he will pursue the killers anywhere. >> yeah. terrorism causes a ripple effect. ron allen, thank you so much from kuala lumpur. the ripple effects here in the united states, the backlash after donald trump calls for a database to track muslims in this country. if you have high blood pressure like i do, many cold medicines may raise your blood pressure. that's why there's coricidin® hbp. it relieves cold symptoms without raising blood pressure.
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19 past, a live look at one of many growing memorials in paris, one week after the terrorist attacks which killed 130 people with at least one suspect from the attacks still at large and seen entering belgium. that capital of brussels is under lockdown today. here in the u.s., the ripple effects throughout europe have become the focus of 2016 race with many taking aim at donald trump for supporting a database to track muslims in the u.s. >> this suggestion was presented by reporters, he's never ever said he's against it. we're in this environment of inflamed rhetoric and i think it's really important to talk about specifics. and logistics. if we're talking about a mass security system against the muslim community in the u.s., what does that look like and does that really fit with our ideals? >> all right. folks, that was actually not the
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right tape we had hoped to play, but let's get to philip bump, from "the washington post." and i loved the title of your article in "the washington post," the political responses to paris have little to do with what we know happened in paris. explain this. >> so we have two big fights emerge in washington, in the aftermath of the paris attacks. the first one about syrian refugees. the second one about enhanced encryption methodologies in order to protect data. the first being, you know, what -- did people come through the refugee stream to commit the attacks and the second, did they use encryption to communicate during the attacks and there's no word that they're european union nationals and second of all used normal text messages. so it's interesting to see mow in the aftermath of the attack people who wanted to move forward an agenda seized upon the attack despite there not
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being evidence to that effect. >> for those of us paying attention to the sound bite, what that was about it was my colleague chris hayes who spoke with the yahoo! news reporter, that's who you're listening to. that donald trump is blaming bringing up the issue of the database and politico is suggesting the comments will not hurt him since they play to his populist appeal. but philip to the point that was made by the yahoo! news reporter, shouldn't donald trump have to provide the types of specifics and be held accountable for them? >> well, donald trump has been pretty good at avoiding specifics over the course of his campaign. one of the things that i think makes it so that it's hard for him to be take up down in the polls as response to the syria's, i'm going to beat the islamic state. you know, that lack of specificity i think is beneficial. yeah, that's what i want to have people is what people say. the question about this database, it was presented first by hunter walker who you saw there. it was then followed up by an nbc reporter who asked for specifics. you know, would you go to mosques and register muslims and he said, yes, we would do that and other places as well.
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it was clear he was supportive of this idea of registering muslims into the database by the federal government. so he did offer specifics. for the first time he saw -- not for the first time, but unusually he saw actually some blow back from his competitors who had been generally loathe to actually critique him because he's so popular. >> particularly ted cruz. he was -- he really did juxtapose his position with that. we heard ron allen talk about the president who was visiting that refugee center in malaysia. he saw children there. afterwards he spoke with reporters. he had this message for critics who refused to accept children seeking refuge from syria. here's that. >> the notion that somehow we would be fearful of them, that our politics would somehow leave us to turn our sights away from their plight is not representative of the best of who we are. >> does the president have the political capital, philip, to win this fight with congress,
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all of whom or many of whom, the gop are threatening to override him if he vetoes his bill that limits the syrian refugees? >> the house vote was very close to the veto proof majority. it's going to be interesting to see, obviously what the president is trying to do, he's trying to change the face of what people are expecting. it's very powerful to say what if one person, one if one man slips through, is approved by the refugee process and comes in and commits an act of terror, that's the fearful thing. this no way -- there's no way to say that can't happen. and so i think with the president, his point is correct. it's mostly women and children with a lot of orphans, a lot of elderly and sick people that are coming in through the refugee process. there's a lot of vetting but that's countered what if one person comes in and commits terror. it's tough. >> yeah, it is. philip, bump. thank you. we're following breaking news out of belgium. the alert status has been raised
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another breaking news story we're following is the first major snowstorm of the season. it is causing major problems on the roads. this is from berwick, iowa. overnight, firefighters rescued two people from a car teetering right on the edge of a creek. thankfully, no one was hurt in this incident. but some parts of the state are already seeing more than a foot of snow. well, amid terror attacks in both mali and paris, how concern and should we be about a possible attack here in the u.s.? that discussion, next. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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31 past. welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." we're back with up to the minute details in the aftermath of the terror attacks in paris. belgian's capital of brussels is under the highest terror alert today. and heavily armed police and military are deployed throughout the city in a search for suspects in last week's attacks. police in turkey detained three men in connection with the terrorist attacks and reuters reports at least one of the men may have been scouting possible target locations for isis. so for more on the threat in belgium, let's bring back claudio lavanga. what new information do we have about the threat to belgium? it's at the highest level and how long is it expected to stay there? >> reporter: well, alex, the belgium's prime minister spoke about the fear of a potential coordinated attack similar to the one in paris. and that is what has triggered
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the authorities to raise the level to number four. that is the highest here in belgium. it is only the third time that this has happened in the history of the country. but of course locals here have woken up to a completely surreal scenario. this is usually the quiet home of european institutions. it looks like a militarized zone. soldiers are everywhere. they're patrolling the streets and guarding the shopping centecente centers, even a mcdonald's. we are speaking to people here and they're confused and sad and angry. >> i don't feel threatened, but this is never seen before, i think it's stupid. i mean -- i mean, i think they're letting the terrorists win because now we can't do anything. we're paralyzed by fear now. it's stupid, it's not necessary. just letting fear rule. it's stupid. >> reporter: well, of course,
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authorities here said they wouldn't have raised that terror threat level if they weren't sure that the threat is serious. and possible when now the fact that salah abdeslam the only known terrorist linked to the paris attacks is still alive and at large, he was born and raised near brussels, he may be hiding here. well, that makes this threat a lot more credible, alex. >> yeah, to that point, claudio, that has been in the moen beak part of brussels. is that where they are or spread out throughout the entire capital? >> reporter: well, surprisingly not. i mean, the main activity of soldiers and troops and policemen are not in that area. they are here in the city centre. i mean, right here behind me is the old stock exchange. not too far away is the whole home of the european
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institution. mollenbeck is a few minutes drive in here, but all the police activity has been there, and we have seen raids for instance since last saturday, but it's surreal to see them right in the middle of brussels. >> right, to the point of the gentleman you interviewed there. he's none too pleased about it. but safety first. thank you, claudio lavanga. let's go to paris for more on the attacks -- or the arrests made in turkey in connection with the paris attacks. bill neely, welcome to you and what have investigators learned on that front? >> reporter: yes, good morning, alex. just like brussels there are police and troops on the streets of paris as well. as you say, three people detained in turkey this morning. here in france, the investigation on the crackdown on isis supporters is intensifying. more than 800 raids so far in
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the past week, nearly 200 guns seized. nearly 100 people arrested. but as we have discovered from claudio's report in brussels, it's not just french police who are involved in this. the net trying to capture isis supporters and isis members, that net is widening right across europe. under arrest this morning in turkey, three men suspected of ties to isis. including a belgian thought to have scouted the locations of the paris massacres. across europe, police are hunting for the killers and their gang. french police are still trying to identify the suicide bomber who detonated in the apartment they stormed. they found a third body in the rubble. this woman killed in the raid was not the bomber as they previously thought. i met the man who led the raid, the terror group they faced he told me, were well trained. >> they shot just enough to be
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dangerous. we didn't feel it was very difficult to know -- to know where they were. >> they knew what they were doing? >> exactly. >> reporter: he said the woman shouted i'm scared, i'm scared. suddenly the suicide bomber detonates. >> big flash, big lights. the building -- it shook. >> reporter: the shields they used are bulletproof. >> okay. you can see here the area here. >> reporter: the terrorists fired to the head. >> and the bullets come -- came by this way. and you can see the exits. >> reporter: the death toll from the massacres has risen to 130. but for danny plog, targeted at a concert by the gunmen, everything has changed. >> definitely my life won't be the same. there will be a before and after, 13th of november. as there was for you people in
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new york city. there was a before and an after, after the event of september. ♪ >> reporter: early this morning, paris was trying to begin a new normal weekend. but exactly a week after the massacres, it was hard to forget the victims, to have courage amid the terror. well, overnight at the united nations in new york, the security council adopted its first resolution against isis calling on all countries to adopt all necessary measures to confront the terror group which it called a global threat. remember, all five permanent members of the security council including the u.s. have now had citizens killed by isis. china just this week, russia just weeks ago and now that apparent plane bombing over egypt and here in france. >> a very comprehensive report,
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thank you very much, bill neely. the attacks in paris and mali are raising new concerns about the possibility of an attack here. a video released by isis this week appeared to threaten new york, the city's police commissioner spoke to allay fears. >> do not be intimidated. that's what terrorists seek to do. they seek to intimidate. we will not be intimidated and we will not live in fear. >> commissioner bill bratton there. let's bring in don barilly, in charge of the joint terrorism task force. welcome to you. you heard what commissioner bratton just said. are these intimidation tactics on the part of isis? >> i agree with commissioner bratton 100%. this is kind of business as usual in new york. i mean, every day, the fbi, the nypd, they plan for this type of thing. they assume that, you know, there could be a terrorist attack.
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they're very well trained. very well organized. and a lot of resources are being put in to looking at these potential isis inspired by attacks around the country. i know speaking to my fbi colleagues they're spending a lot of time putting a lot of effort into trying to make sure that some of these lone wolf types are, you know, they're monitored and the fbi knows what's going on. >> you know, don, can you confirm that which has been on people's minds according to u.s. intelligence, no specific threats at all to the thanksgiving travel? after these paris attacks. think of how many people will be boarding planes in the next couple of days and headed for the holiday? >> i think the term that's used when they talk about that is that there are no known specific or credible threats. and sometimes you don't know what you don't know. it doesn't mean that there aren't threats out there. i think the default position is you assume during the holidays, during, you know, times when you're going to have major events like the macy's parade or
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the christmas tree lighting, extra airport travel and so forth, that you're going to put more security resources into those events. and anticipating the worst, but certainly the intelligence leading to -- that there is a specific or credible threat is not there. >> how about this new report that was by the new america foundation in which it found that in the u.s., a threat of individuals who have gone to and returned from syria are less of a threat than the isis inspired home grown threat? talk about that assessment. >> well, i don't know, you know, it doesn't necessarily make sense to me, but because if you go to syria and we saw what happened in paris. if you've been there and you've trained and you have been indoctrinated and you kind of come back as that hardened soldier and then you come back to the u.s. and have access to, you know, all the guns that are available legally here, certainly you could be a threat. on the other hand, the people
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that are inspired by, that are getting their indoctrination on the internet they could be dangerous too, but i would say that somebody that has had that formal training like the attackers in paris are more dangerous than somebody just monitoring their computer. >> okay. don, thank you. here's a quick update, the capital of belgium facing a serious terrorism threat. the latest on this, the terror alert for brussels is at the highest level. this as one suspect remains at large. heavily armed police are patrolling areas around the city as we speak. did you know that good nutrition
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trump's comments supporting a database to track muslims in the united states. hallie jackson is joining me from des moines, iowa. good morning to you. what's the latest on this back and forth? >> reporter: alex, we are hearing about it on the campaign from system of the candidates and from many of the democrats as well. we're here in des moines, the season's first snowfall means some campaign stops have been cancelled after last night's faith and family forum. the snow didn't stop more than a thousand people from coming out. but i'll tell you what, donald trump was not here. he's weathering his own storm after some controversial comments about a muslim database. after another controversy, donald trump's clarifying. >> i was signing books and there was music blaring in the background. >> reporter: back tracking, blaming background noise for mishear an exchange with nbc news in which he didn't rule out a database tracking muslims in the u.s. >> i would certainly implement that. absolutely. >> reporter: later --
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>> mr. trump, why would muslim databases not be the same thing as requiring jews to register in nazi germany? what would be the difference? is there a difference between the two? >> who are with you with? >> with nbc news. is there a difference requiring muslims to register and jews? >> you tell me. >> reporter: now trump says -- >> i wanted a database for the syrian refugees that obama is going to let in if we don't stop him. >> reporter: jewish and muslim advocacy groups denounce his remarks and so do democrats. >> i don't think we should be engaging in the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that i've been hearing from some the republican candidates. >> reporter: his republican rivals -- >> talking about closing mosques and talking about registering people. and that's just wrong. >> i'm a big fan of donald trump's, but i'm not a fan of government registries of american citizens. >> reporter: trump still the frontrunner at the top of our
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new nbc surveymonkey online poll. though absent from the forum in iowa. interrupted by protesters early, the loudest voices were saved for slamming president obama and his national security strategy. >> in the aftermath of the attacks in paris we had a president that spent more time attacking republicans than he did talking about how we'll talk isis. >> reporter: you heard trump talking about the debate over letting syrian refugees enter the united states. overnight, president obama in kuala lumpur visiting refugee children promised as long as he's in office, america will be a place where people facing violence and discrimination can find safe haven. alex? >> all right. hallie jackson, thank you. we have breaking news, police in turkey today detained three men in connection with the attacks in paris. reuters is reporting at least at least one of the men may have been scouting possible target locations for isis. let's bring in terror analyst the managing director of
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a risk and security firm in paris. what do you make first of all of the security crackdown in belgium? >> well, i think they have new intentions because it's -- they're fearing that some other sleeping cells in belgium could overreact after what happened in paris. the first thing. the second thing, they are planning to prevent that. let's say they're doing that -- that decision is according to precautionary principle because they really want to avoid such a situation as we have in paris. and secondly, i think there are -- they're kind of a feeling of nervousness and -- all over the european countries, you feel that there's a kind of sensibility and political people prefer to overreact, than to
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call people to feel let's say a more -- more comfortable with the situation. if i may say. so it's creating a kind of -- a fear of -- a fear which is not really -- not really good to have very good and long term decision from -- from our authorities here. nowhere is more sensitive in france, do you expect more arrests? is the area being scoured further today? >> yeah, i think so. because they're allowed now, thanks to the state of emergency that that kind of procedure --
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in the very large area, very large -- i mean matter -- it can really decide to do that because they have suspicion about people. about people. so suspicion is enough, just to authorize any arrests here now, according to this state of emergency. so it's not finished yesterday, sure. that doesn't mean that they are sleeping cells. but there is suspicion. >> and they can actually keep these people under suspicion for a longer period thanks to that emergency declaration. another casualty of the attacks in paris may be freedom of movement, tighter security may soon end what has been a foundation of the european unioh and make travel very difficult p there. we're going to show you buy, coming up.ch . compared to the alternatives. push! i am pushing!
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