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♪ good morning, it's monday, november 23rd. welcome to "morning joe" with good morning. it's monday, november 23rd. with us on set we have mike barnical and richard haas. good to have you all this morning. we begin with a continent on edge. brussels, belgium is on lock down. hundreds of troops patrolling the streets and authorities made more arrest. 19 raids were made yesterday evening. one they arrested was injured after he was in a car that tried to ram police in an attempted
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raid. >> reporter: it's hard to mistaken how they're taking this search. in addition, they believe he has the nonl and where with all to do other attacks. it's been clear by what we've seen in brussels they have to sbrens that says to them another attack like we saw here at multiple locations could be in the works in brussels. let me give you a little look at where he's been. first of all, he escaped from these attacks. his brother gave an interview over the weekend and says he thinks maybe his brother saw something that wasn't quiet right and decided to flee and in
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any case he was spotted near the belgian border. we saw the 19 raids of night in brussels. there's a report in brussel's newspaper he was seen in a bmw headed toward the german border. most disturbing of all is a report by someone in the car with him told his lawyer he may have been wearing a suicide vest an may have been carrying explosives. that's the status now. the searches, one more point, obviously, what to do about it. the meeting at the palace between the french president hollande and british prime minister cameron who is looking to take part of the bombing raids against isis. take a look at what he had to say. >> fridalater this week we'll st
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a comprehensive strategy for attacking isil. i firmly support the action the president has taken to strike isil in syria and it's my firm -- britain should do so too. >> nbc's chris jansing. thank you. let's pull back and take a look at a broader focus on this. the pentagon inspector general is looking at whether analyst were ordered to make changes to intelligence estimates by isis. the new york times reports, for instance, as iraqi forces were treated last year, reports were ordered, changed to redeploy and over the summer analyst went to the inspector general claiming to have evidence their superiors have doctors, the reports to show greater progress from u.s.
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air strikes. what we don't know is if those reports sway the obama administration. the investigation was prompted from senior iraq analyst hooker. it was hooker in who 2005. >> this is amazing. it's amazing how the entail follows the demands of the president. >> 2005 spotlighted the pressure to decrease the head count of the military force. that pressure helped shape the military intelligence successment for the iraqi invasion. he branded it as amateurist and unrealistic. >> first of all, history is repeating itself here.
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now you have a president who wants to stay away from fighting isis and calls them a j.v. team. this weekend, the president saying they're just bad guys with abunch of guns and good social media which is absolutely staggering when you have the president of france and even else across the world but the president of united states calling for a sense of sururnlt against isis. the president stands alone across the board. someone's cooking the books at the pentagon. >> i hope it's not true. the principle requirement of intelligence is to speak truth to power. if it is true, it would be very interesting to know exactly where the pressure is coming from. it's corrosive. it's true it might be a bad
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thing. the white house is going to stop. it doesn't help anyone to underplay the challenge. >> why are they doing it? they keep doing it this week and the president said they were bad guys with guns who have good social media. that is staggering to our allies. it is staggering to people like frank rooney. it is staggering to diane finestein. it's staggering to the world the president is in a bubble by himself saying these are bad guys with guns and social media. >> it doesn't allow the society to prepare itself psychologically and physically also, it doesn't set us up to do the sort of thing we need to do in the region.
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>> we do not sub come to fear. that's the primary power these terrorist have over us. they cannot strook a mortal blow against the united states. or against france or a country like malaysia. the most powerful tool we have to fight isis is to say we're not afraid. th they're abunch of killers. i'm not afraid isil will beat us
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because of their operationsment wh . when i see a headline that says this individual who designed this plot in paris is a master mind, he's not a master mind, he found a few have vicious people, got hands on some fairly conventional methods and if you're willing to die you can kill abunch of peacople. they're abunch of killers with good social media. >> i don't know where to begin. democrats don't know where to begin. john kerry said the same thing. it's much to do about nothing. they have created a network. mike, there's not an entail agency on the planet that doesn't fear, i will use the word fear, fear isis. he's radically out of step with
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where the american people are, our allies are, where foreign policy experts are. why you go from saying thai a j.v. team, they're contained and abunch of killers with guns and social media. >> first of all, the intelligence story is a huge story. if it is true. >> not fitting the narrative. >> that's an enormous story and you got to find out a, if it's true and b, if it is true where did the pressure to cook the books come from? >> how much does that sound like 2002 a 2002 and the lead up to the iraq war. >> secondly, if you listen to people, just people, the president of the united states, it's time for him. >> mike, who appears around him?
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whose around him, mike to speak truth to power to say mr. president, we're sorry. on the j.v. team you stand alone. you're scaring the held out of the american people, mr. president. stop pretending. >> they added new poles. the ma yourty shows they lack confidence. 54% disprove at the president's handling of the terrorist and the numbers are worse on the handling of isis with 35% approving and 67% improving. 67% sending support sending ground forces into iraq and syria. that's up from 30%. 81% believe a large terror attack is likely. 54% say the united states should not accept refugees from the zone. many are usualing him to see the
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scale of the isis threat including his former defense secretary of cia director and top democrat on the intelligence committee, senator. >> what we've learned a long time ago is if the united states does not lead, nobody elsewhe w. the united states has to provide stronger leadership. air strikes are great and we're hitting some targets. what isis has achieved is the ability to gain territory. we've got to take that territory away from them. it's been a year. they're still in. those are the areas we have to go after in order to be able to defeat isis ultimately.
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>> i don't think the approach is sufficient to the job. i think they're general principles and general principles in terms of the administration strategy too. i'm concerned we don't have the time and we don't have years. we need to be aggressive now because isil is a cause si state. isil has 30,000 fighters with a civil infrastructure, funding. it's spreading in other countries and it's a big, big problem. >> peggy also writes this in the wall street journal. it's amazingly relevant.
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fred writes in the washington post. it's not in the action. it's diplomatic, economic and military that might keep the united states from facing the dyer choices that loom. last week obama was still saying i do not support the endless war. unfortunately, wars do not end or one side is defeated. will willie, his former defense secretary say quote we need stronger leadership. obama says they're killers with good social media. 81% of americans say an attack is imminent. this president is so radically disconnected from the 300 million people he serves. >> the president can go over seas and bat away republicans
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but when you have allies, former members of the cabinet and people who know what they're talking about, finally saying enough is enough and we're going on tv and talking about how serious this is. >> 81% of americans think it's likely there's going to be a large terror attack in the u.s. in the near future and he wonders why republicans with running around saying cooky things, it's because there's a void in leadership but he's got to convincemens, 81% of americans, that he actually takes the threat seriously and he refuses to do it. >> there's also got to be a space between he don't want george w. bush with or against his rhetoric. what we've seen now is totally down playing. >> how dangerous is this?
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>> it takes a negligentable percentage to cause a community harm. we don't know. >> commander in chief sets the tone. >> okay. let's go to chris jansing. i want to ask chris whose constantly in touch with the white house about the word in there. you're also seeing the british and french holding press conferences. this is something we've been doing. there is a certain element of a long list of things we have been doing along the way.
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while critics will say we need to do more, you say what, there's few other options, chris. >> what are you talking about? few other options? >> boots on the ground. what are we not doing right now. ? >> lots. we could be doing a far more intense series of air strikes, far more aid to various groups. we could create safe airs. if you look at hillary clinton's speech last thursday, from a democratic perspective, she outlined a series of measures that are clearly much more assertive. there is a large menu of things the united states could be doing in the region short of large amounts of ground forces which no one is seriously advocating particularly putting 50 forces in syria, why not 500? >> we're going to show an interview with ashton carter with he addressed that question instead of former cia defense
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records where it's easier to be more outspoken and we did have him address that and we talked about the possibility of more special forces. chris jansing, is the white house tone deaf? >> i think richard is right about that list. when we see president hollande go into office, he's going to ask them to listen to what russia has to say. now we feel here they have an opening because of the jet liner that went down and thai going to talk about more intelligence. it's clear for the president he has nothing for boots on the found. to your point of tone deafness, look, the white house doesn't see it that way and that's where you see this disconnect. it's almost as if here he is here and his major advisers are traveling with him here.
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they have to be seeing these polls and hearing from the same people you're hearing from. if you listen to his speech a lot of this is gemmed up by the media. we're playing into the fear americans already have, joe and mika. >> thank you, chris. mike, we didn't talk about that. that's one of the most stunning things he said in a week of stunning tone deaf statements from a president whose on another planet when it comes to this war on terror. he blamed it on the media. he said you guys are whipping people into a frenzy. >> he's been out of the country for 10 days and certainly out of the loop of the conversation that occurs every single day and that's why there's a very thin line between anxiety and fear and the country, i think, is filled with anxiety now crossing
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over into fear because the element, i think a lot of people fear is eagerless in terms of con frants the global war on terror. i think a lot of people want to hear from barack obama. >> you know, you don't get numbers up to 81% unless you're radically out of touch. they look at these republican candidates saying really stupid things and then they look at the president of the united states whose our one commander in chief being completely disconnected and they see a war on terror and a country that seems to be completely leaderless. a president that's blaming isis on the press, on social media, saying they're just abunch of bad guys when they're taking down the list of just how dangerous they are. the president and the white house will tell you this is not a president to walk around with his hair on fire and he's got this and there's air strikes and he's not going to go out and beat his chest.
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when he says things like republicans and need i can't need to be careful about what they're saying about isis, the people in paris would say you're doing something important. >> they responded to a john kerry quote friday saying anyone who wants to get a gun can go around and shoot up people. that's disconnected from reality. this was a very complex operation. this wasn't a guy that woke up one morning and said i'm going to shoot up some caves and concert halls. as david said, this took a lot of planning. it is an international terror organization. it is as diane says growing by the day. it is not contained and yes, it can and will strike here in the united states of america unless we have a commander and chief that stops blaming it on the
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media and some zany fringe republicans. >> that was a commando style operation in paris. they had the weaponry, lo jest rancics down, everything down. let's ignore the fact that some call it the guys with guns. it wasn't. >> you say some people, it was the president of the secretary of state. >> what we're talking about is a key component. you cannot come into a city and turn on the tv and you see on the news the new york police department which has the most skillful and thorough anti terror operation of any police department in the world conducting a live gun exhibit, routine in the subways yesterday. you imagine to yourself, you're sitting there watching yourself as an average citizen, you've crossed the line. >> bret came on our show and
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said they can strike here. bill braton is not trying to save new yorkers lives because of the media whipping something into a frenzy. somebody has to get in front of president obama that he'll listen to and say you are dangerously out of touch with where sbel experts are, police officers are, and 81% of the mer american people are. >> another reason to stop underplaying it is we're going to need serious conversation. >> he'll look at the heart and soul he put mind the shootings at the church in the south and how he was able to administstir nation's consciousness. still ahead, donald trump identifies his lead as the early front runner. not only on match ups but key
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issues. plus, what's the real mission for putin in syria? how the russian president may be working to peel away america's allies. you're watching morning joe, we'll be right back.
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let's look at the presidential polls. a new washington post abc poll of the republican field has donald trump in first place nationally at 32%. that number hasn't changed since the middle of october. >> rubio runs third and tied in this poll with ted cruz at 14%. meanwhile, the washington post, abc poll asked respondents which
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republican candidates would handle certain issues. on the economy, trump, 47%. next closest, ben carson at 15%. a 32 point lead for trump. on immigration, trump at 45%. rubio at 18%. on the question of terrorism, trump at 42%. >> these numbers, you go inside these numbers and they're not weak numbers. people have been predict and did it a week ago. after the belt buckle speech, trump was going otherway. he's not going away. ben carson seems to be going away. >> a lot of people says the national poll doesn't matter. let's look at that time states and you'll be surprised.
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cnn hasn't released its cry tier k i can't. cnn said friday candidates who average at least 4% in iowa or new hampshire polls make the main stage. donald trump now in first place in iowa. he's got 30%. ted cruz moves into second place. he's up nine points since october. look at ben carson, back down 19% down eight points in the space of a month. >> we keep that up. mike barnical, ben carson not only hammered on his resume and exaggerations but more importantly these terror attacks is lack of knowledge.
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these republicans are idiots and don't know what they're doing, no. they go to some candidates and seeing a weakness in ben carson. >> paris has changed everything. it's now terror. it's now anxiety. a combination of anxiety and fear. >> another poll ted cruz was up as carson down. >> carson down and ted cruz up. people have been talking for some time about how ted cruz is a guy whose positioned more than anybody else to challenge donald trump. marco gets great headlines and gets sort of a sugar high after a debate or two but you look at the organization and everybody
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i've talked to on the ground say that cruz is one of the two that's actually built to last. donald trump up 29 points. excuse me, 19 points. rubio up 6 there, cruz 5 points. again, so now we work our way through the primary season and you got trump up in iowa now. look at this. rubio at 13, carson 10. you have a candidate who is completely dominant in iowa and new hampshire. >> do you think he needs to be careful making the comments? >> just for fun they threw myth romney in the mix.
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>> he wins 31% of the vote and donald trump 15%. >> if you keep going down, double digits go down to florida. zblf looks like big news. actually three. trump in a stronger position today than he's ever been as far as the polls go. two, ben carson dropping and ted cruz teems to be making his way
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in iowa in some national polls. >> we have two candidates use 9/11 in appropriately. i think trump is one of them and i think that is an area he needs to be really careful. he's obviously completely strong in the polls but i think when you start pushing it on those issues you better be careful not to insult the people here. >> our two blocks are connected. barack obama's weak leadership and donald trump's rise. where there is a vacuum, where there is a void, where barack
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obama's and others on the side saying just the opposite. it's feeding in the fear of americans and making candidates stronger. >> it's the history of civilization and political campaigns will prove that a strong voice in in an environment, people are going to hear the stronger voice. >> no matter what you think of where donald trump is coming from or what he's saying or how he's saying it, he basically has planted a flag, a rhetorical flag and saying follow me and people are hearing that voice. >> willie, the main stream media needs to look at the poll numbers from the washington
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post. >> barack obama can play his little games and do his moral lectures all he wants, we all agree on that. when you have 47 democrats voting to keep syrian refugees out and have democrats equally concerned about a lot of things, the media seen, i just seen one story after the other.
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the operations, do you think it's enough? >> we may do more. we're looking for opportunities to do more. >> by the way, no, we had to explain i was dplaring because they wrapped us. the secretary was a nice gig. they wrapped us, i said last question, ask a question and then mika goes okay, well, that
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was joe's last question now here's my last question. we're standing in the pentagon and there's a lot of guns and i'm getting nervous going this wasn't the deal. i rush along and get up and apologize and walk over. they said he's going to show you off and we're looking at these pictures and here i am with my little child and she starts asking questions again. >> that was a look. >> that was a look mika, stop being your parents. we did what he said. >> he opened up the possibility of expanding the numbers of u.s. special forces in syria which is what we're going to end up doing. >> which is what diane said
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yesterday. former cia director saying we need more. >> i agree with the tone. you agree that the tone is bad. the push back is we're doing nothing. that's not bad either. joining us now is former democratic congressman harold ford jr. more intense attacks from the air against islamic military state assets, oil, gas facilities and leader is critical. no amount of air power on its own will get the job done. a substantial ground component is needed.
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a territory is more taken than held. a coalition of the willing that would include the united states, france, united kingdom, arab states and even russia under the right circumstances or carried out under nato or united nation's. the packaging matters less than the results. symbolic declarations of war ought to be considered with caution. the islamic state appeared to be winning every day. >> a lot of options we could move forward with. >> absolutely. we should be increasing the pace and the target set of the military strikes. i would put far more special forces and intelligence types into syria. >> how many? >> i don't know if you're talking hundreds or thousands. ultimately, you got to do it gradually. the single biggest question will be a ground partner. we tried to build one from scratch and spent billions of dollars and got nowhere. the arab states are not willing
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to provide one. it's not only fighting against isis but can stay. that's why there's no substitute for the tribes to work with them. we'll begin to make significant progress if we can persuade the sooney tribes to work with us. that's the single biggest question mark. >> richard, when you talk to people in the entail community, foreign policy community, do you sense a disconnect between the white house and ash carter and the pentagon? are they working hand in hand? it sounds like ash carter was eluding to things they wanted to get done. >> that's a much more lenient forward around the administration. particularly in the pentagon about what this is going to take. right now, isis controls
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territory. when a group controls territory classic elements of war come. it's the day after. how is it you're holding any territory? the last thing you want to do is liberate a territory only to lose it again and again. that's been the history in iraq. >> let's bring in former deputy assistance at the pentagon. dr. evelyn. >> thanks for joining us. very quickly, the concerns around russia's involvement, you seem to believe they tend to divide u.s. and allies, how true is that and how do you suggest russia being a part of a coalition could provide an advantage to the u.s. and our allies? >> i think we've seen that now the russian government is on in record to france trying to
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convention the french they should create a grand coalition. we should remember france and the united states is part of a coalition of 60 plus countries. we have a coalition. of course, russia could join. but under the right circumstances, i think i agree a hundred percent with richard's piece where he said russia can join under the right circumstances. i am weary of the russian plan, whatever plan they have in mind and i think it bares reminding, if you look at what they're saying right now they were speaking out and criticizing the united states and saying we got france into the trouble they're in. i don't think that's helpful and not a good indicator of what their ultimate objective here is. >> do you also think putin could be a partner on the diplomatic side and the day will come sooner than later and his enthusiasm will win and he could
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essentially start working with us and give him outside of moscow? >> i am not optimistic, richard. we have to bare in mind this kremlin, this russian government has four objectives. i know you're suppose to say three but there's four. one to stay in power and two demonstrate russia is a global power. actually by countering us. three, they rail want to rewrite the international rules of the road so that you cannot intervene in countries in order to save their saids from their autocratic and abusive rulers and number four, they want to control the countries around their periphery. what i mean is the countries in europe and asia. if you bare in mind those are their objectives, you can understand our objectives are not aligned to say the least with the russian objectives. it's going to be hard to not cooperate in a deep way with russia. we can target with who we target on the ground.
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we can bomb isis together. but when it comes to a political resolution, it's going to be a lot harder. >> it's willie. we've been talking about the president down playing the isis threat too much. i wonder what you think about it? do you think he's taking the threat seriously enough or trying to project calm and do things we don't know about? >> i think the president takes it very seriously. this president does not want to set his hair on fire or let anyone else set his hair on fire. he has a good team working on terrorism and there's good proposals there, so i think from the perspective of defending the homeland and taking action in the middle east, he's got good options and he's moving ahead with them. is there more we can do diplomatically and otherwise in terms of countering the ideology, that's something we haven't talked about, there is more that needs to be done. why are these people joining
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these crazy radical groups? i think that's something we need to discuss with our allies in the middle east and we need to work on it more. >> do you agree with what the president has been saying with which this is a guy who has a gun and found buddies or do you believe it's a large international global connected network to carry out the paris attacks? >> i think it's a global problem and we have to fight all these terrorist groups. the al qaeda affiliates, we've seen attacks across the globe in the last week and we need to fight all those groups, all the individuals. it's the strain of terrorism that we need to fight. >> dr. evidence l >> doctor, thank you for going on the show. coming up, we'll turn back to the heap of the new polling this week. donald trump doubling down on resent a
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>> killers got in our dressing room? >> yeah. people were playing dead and so scared of great reason. so many were killed and wouldn't leave their friends and so many people put themselves in front of people. >> those were members of the band eagles of deaf metal speaks since the first time since the paris attacks. their band was playing the night of the paris attacks. welcome back to morning joe. we have on set with us former congressman harold ford jr. and richard haas. we begin with europe on alert. hundreds of troops principatrol the streets of belgium. 19 raids and searchings conducted yesterday evening with 16 taken into custody. one of those detained was injured after a car he was in tried to ram police during an
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attempted get away. police are still hunting for suspected paris attacker who was not found in the raids. searches took place in a belgian city three hours away from paris. brussels maintains their high alert level today. let's bring in chris jansing in paris for more. chris. >> reporter: he's the only core member of the cell that attacked here in paris still on the loose. to give you a sense of just how high the concern is in belgium right now, we just got an update from officials. there are more than a thousand police officers being deployed to find him. the overnight raids got arrests but none of them was him.
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asked how he has been so elusive. we know he came to the belgian border and was let go. there's been a spot werting or siting of him headed toward the german border. the officials say he has a lot of support on our soil and that's a concern. it's worth mentioning no country in europe has had more to go syria and iraq fight. they know they've had more than 500 go there. this is a very different approach isis has been taking
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over the last month or so and what we've seen with the attack here in paris and the threat of the attack in brussels. these cells, the local cells get to choose where, how and when this all happens but the shared goal, maximum civilian casualties which is why you see a thousand police officers on the streets around belgium looking for him. >> chris, thank you very much. >> richard haas, many people would be surprised in america to find out belgium is the center of terror. the center of terror and isis operations, why? >> because belgium, like a lot of other european countries has failed consistently to integrate
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its own population. chris said two things that were interesting. one is that he's probably getting support from the local community. this is a country of 11 million people. this is a country that has 130th of the population of the united states and yet more people are going from belgium to syria than from belgium to the united states. this shows a real failure to make them feel belgium. >> we know how to integrate. paris doesn't, belgium doesn't, france doesn't. we integrate in the united states of america. there was a story in the new york times talking about a woman killed in the raid and when new york times reporters went over there to ask questions, the times reporter, they were threatened, they were told to get out.
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they said we are in mourning and threatened even greater terror attacks if they didn't get out of there. imagine that happening in michigan. that wouldn't happen in michigan. that wouldn't happen in birmingham, alabama. that wouldn't happen in los angeles, california because muslim americans are americans. obviously, in belgium and the suburbs of france and paris, it is radically deferent and you see that from the reports coming out of europe today. >> they're going to have to get more serious about sharing intelligence. >> against the problem of the lack of communication. >> another thing we said is the fact there's an open boarder problem. we were saying it monday after the attack that it's ironic we are as nervous as we are in the united states when we have an ocean separating us and also
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when we have a tough border policy as far as refugees go. and legal immigrants, not the southern border, i understand, but legal immigrants. yourp has it backwards. they have open borders, the permissiveness they have of removing people in greece. it's suicide. they don't know how to integrate these people. >> you're not able to keep track. does that change right away and your submission in two, it's more fundamentally, what can european nations do differently to make these communities of people, these minorities feel more welcome. i think they would probably counter. i'm not countering for them, they would say we tried and don't know what to do. what have you in america done that's been so successful? >> it's going to be hard to change in terms of rules because
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so much of the idea is openness. now europe has to go back to the national borders meaning more. this is opposite of the whole idea of europeanness. >> does this challenge the notion of the eu? the strains have been great because of financial economic regions. >> the idea that once you're in you move around freely. i think that's going to be one of the casualties in paris. >> that is changing right away but the problem is how do you, i mean, how do they learn to integrate better? it's not in their cultural dna. it is in america's cultural dna. i had a cab driver tell me this amazing story. he was from turkey and saying he was cut off by an angie harrell main canadian. they were yelling at each other and got into a parking lot and he was thinking as he pulled in one of us is going to die.
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they jumped out of the car and stared at each other and start today go after each other and stopped and actually both laughed and said we're america. they went like this to each other and got back in their cabs and drove off. that's what america is. we integrate. you come here, you're an american. you live in the suburbs of paris. you're nota muslim. not a french muslim but a muslim. too many muslims are reminded of that every day. >> we better be careful how we deal with the refugee. we've got to be very careful we don't start sending religious tests or background tests. >> i totally agree with that. i will tell you this though. if you're working alongside a muslim in america doing a great
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job out don't go i'm working alongside a muslim. the guy next to me is doing an incredible job. i'm glad he's on my team. they don't think that way in europe. >> i'm worried what you're saying is in jeopardy. it scares me. >> half the country thinks we should and have thinks we should not. the policy we have now is strong. it's amazing. >> all right. let's move on to a different part of the conversation. the pentagon's inspector general is looking into whether analyst at u.s. central command were ordered to make changes to intelligence estimates about isis to present a better picture of american accomplishments.
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new york times reports, for instance, iraqi forces were treated and reports were revised to redeploy. >> we have that backward. it's the obama's administration's notions and narrative about isis being a jv team actually swayed the intelligence reports. just like we saw with bush where everybody wanted to kiss up to the commander in chief and the administration. >> right. we don't know if people were pressured or what the reports were. assuming there was doctoring or cooking, was it because people were pressured or because people in the military basically told
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people what they thought they wanted to hear. we don't know what the dynamic was here. >> the investigation was prompted by complaints from a senior iraq analyst gregory hooker. it was hooker who in 2005 spotlighted pressure from george w. bush's bent gone to decrease the count to military force that pressure helped shape the iraqi invasion at the time. >> with us now from washington is a reporter who co-wrote the new york times story. michael, thank you so much for being back with us. there's a suggestion it looks a lot like 2002. i find out the same whistle
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blower in 2003, is now doing it in 2015. >> they put a lot of pressure on the military to give them what they want to hear. they're including all angles of this including the actization some of the e-mails and documents may have been deleted. >> let's leave the republicans on the hill to decide. why did this investigation start and what are the investigators concerned about? >> the investigators are concerned about the most fundamental question about how policy makers make decisions. what is the intelligence they
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have? these analysts came in and set down and said hey, look. we said these things and said a military solution could not solve these things in iraq. these things never made it into the final report. things were made to look rosier and made to look what they were doing with the military bombings and other efforts in iraq and syria had been more successful. they said those things never showed up. >> you're saying analyst tried to warn higher ups of presence in iraq and syria and those concerns were deleted from the reports. >> they're saying they were made
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rosier. vel investigators are looking at the report and seeing what was changed and why and what was the intelligence from other agencies in the u.s. government at the time. what was the cia saying and how was that different from what was coming out of the military and contra contrasting it? >> it's a tough investigation. i had a cia onlyist fell me years ago about warnings given to a piece of material used and they put something on the back of a document warning the trust was not trusted and powell got the document without the warping on the back and this guy hit the roof and still will scream.
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someone in the cia didn't want them to this get the warning. >> was this more to make policy makers feel comfortable. >> i think the biggest question is the administration says they were caught off guard with how strong isis was. the reports are were they playing down the strength of the isis? their capabilities now are such a real question with them watching attacks everywhere and did the administration not have enough warming? >> what was the time frame of this? >> this was back in 2014 up until 2015 and the key time with isis is obviously leading up to the summer of 2014 where you have the beheadings and you get militarily involved. >> all right. thank you so much. willie, if you have the commander in chief and a boss
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going out publicly calling isis a jv team and saying they can't do anything, these were, the cooking of the books came after the commander in chief was saying they weren't powerful. that in and of itself, what's not clear to me is if this was in fact true. >> what's in it for them? they want to look better, their performance is better, perhaps. >> if you're in sitcom and you're commander in chief is telling the world that isis is weak and it's a vj team, you as an under lying do not want to be crossing your commander in chief. this is one of the things that shocked me. i know it shocked you. like at the pentagon, people think the pentagon is the void of politics are out of their mind. >> it's polluted with politics from the top to the bottom.
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so if my boss, if andy says something very strongly and phil says something strongly, i'm not going to go out in the media and start sending around memos that are going to get back to them. i'm just saying, i would. >> yeah, but i don't think you're the best example. >> i'm not the best example but you wind up saying in a bro bureaucracy, the last thing you're going to do, you're not going to give a report that shows your commander in chief. >> will will's question is you can understand the motivation with bush and the pentagon. there was a desire by dick cheney and others to go to war. in this sense, the question is what can be the motivation. the only thing i can think, was the administration, was it reluctance to go to war to commit troops. if it was worse, that might be the motivation. >> it's just on the other side. you get a president whose
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obsessed and that obsession continues to this day to be able to leave and say i got us out of two wars and we'll start another. that's the obsession of all other obsessions above keeping americans safe. if that commander in chief is saying isis is not a threat, the last thing you're going to do is call your commander in chief a fool by writing an assessment that says isis is a threat. is that true or not? >> it could be a move. >> of course. >> a single case officer goes out and wants to keep his or her job that would call the president an idiot when it comes to isis. >> you would never say that. you would say here's the facts and you would take risks. whenever you tell people what you don't want to hear, you take risks. militaries do that. iran cli not. they want to get more support and get resourced at a higher
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level. what's odd if this is true is it goes against a tradition often of militaries looking more negatively on a situation. they want to persuade civilians to provide them more. >> it's the other way. >> it's the other way. it would be out of character for what mill teaitaries often do. >> i have always found and for an armed service committee, that if a general has one start on the shoulder or her shoulder, he wants two. if he has two, he wants three. if he has three he wants four and that goes up and down the chain of command and you don't get ahead by having reports go up can chain of command saying the president to say your commander in chief is wrong. >> if i know the four star on general austin, i've known him for a long time. it's harder and possible for me
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to believe. >> i think that's fair. still ahead we get a live report from bill neely live in brussels which is a city under lock down this morning. plus have ben carson's foreign policy statements finally started to catch up with him? yes. new signs in the race for president as donald trump lock ins his front runner status on a number of key issues. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. and can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar? "super food?" is that a real thing? it's a great school, but is it the right one for her? is this really any better than the one you got last year? if we consolidate suppliers, what's the savings there? so should we go with the 467 horsepower? ...or is a 423 enough? good question. you ask a lot of good questions... i think we should move you into our new fund.
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hundreds of troops patrolling the town of brussels now. bill is in brussels with the updated amount of raids. what's the latest? >> yes, a very good morning to you. just as background, brussels
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hasn't seen this number of armored vehicles since world war ii. this is the headquarterers of nato. some staff have been told to stay home. it's a union of half a billion people. it's also a city to where hundreds of people have been left to fight for isis and syria. they have good reason to worry about a number of terror attacks. there's been a number of raids overnight. so far, 16 people arrested overnight and we understand another five were arrested in the early hours of this morning. so 22 raids, 21 people arrested and as you can see behind me, troops and police, a thousand police hunting in particular for one man. the man who escaped the massacres in paris. one of the gang, the isis gang a man whose a belgian and seen in a car and driven across the
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border in a car by a man who said he was worried because he appeared to be wearing a very big jacket. that lead police to believe he came to brussels wearing a suicide belt. they were possibly beginning to plan a repeat of the paris attacks here. we don't know whether any of that is true but he's still on the run. his brother appeared on television appealing to him to give himself up. he said he was clever. he believed he had in fact pulled out of the attacks at the last minute. there is no evidence of that whatsoever. >> you have the capitol of europe with soldiers and shut
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down. the city is locked down. >> sad. let's turn to the effect this is having on politics. let's bring in john helman. >> hashtag wadr, what about don rick ls? >> what? with all do respect. i love that show. okay. it's really good. >> what about that? >> mika said first time in eight years. >> plus it's an amazing show. >> they just got to think past the show. it's a must see. >> let's take a look at the wave of new polls on the 2016 presidential race conducted in the days after the terror attacks. a new washington post abc news poll has donald trump in first place. that number unchanged since the middle of october.
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marco rubio the only other candidate. in this poll trump up four points and carson down five and rubio runs third. this time tied with ted cruz at 14%. meanwhile, that postalso asked respondents about which republican candidates they think would best handle certain issues. on the economy, trump at first place at 37. 42 ahead of ben carson. on immigration trump in first with 45. 27 head of marco rubio and on terrorism trump again in first 42-24 leading jeb bush. >> these numbers are, you take these numbers and we'll show state polls as well, looks like donald trump is stronger than he's been in the cycle and ben carson is falling off. >> yes, the second of those
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seems to be more significant. >> not to diminish trump's strength, there's clearly an appeal that trump kind of strong man persona has in this moment post paris but carson, people ask the question whether some of these foreign policy apparent weaknesses would actually hurt him in the wake of paris and the new environment and it seems to be hurting. >> and carson seems to be the loser thus far. >> seems to be slipping nationally and when you look at the state polls it's more striking because these polls above iowa and new hampshire he's fallen more in the last week or so. >> let's check out the polling in the early states. this morning, the tracking poll out of iowa has ted cruz, by the way. he's up nine points in that state since october. now nine back from trump. ben carson has dropped nine points since the last iowa poll. he finds himself in third place.
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ted cruz on the rise there. he's up five points. john, we've got iowa moving ahead of ben carson and trump ahead of new hampshire as we move down south, south carolina and the list goes on and on. >> not to pick on ben carson, but the reordering, the fact carson had been leading in iowa for about a month there with the strong support but he has slipped down the third place in iowa in that tracking poll strikes me as really significant. there's not a real path that doesn't involve doing very well if not winning iowa slipping behind as well as donald trump in that poll. if that's the trend line, that's mortal for his candidacy and rubio on the rise in new hampshire which looks like the path for him too. >> on the rising entrance,
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32-13. rubio is coming up in new hampshire. c cruz jumping up in the 20s. look how far ahead donald trump is in new hampshire. we heard last week, donald trump, this time, okay. this time he's really gone too far. going after ben carson the way he did. 32-13 here and he's in the 30s in the national polls and 30s in the iowa polls and back on top everywhere. >> it's three days to thanksgiving. this is not the 4th of july, labor day, all the moments we said this was going to go away. we're coming up through the holidays and people are going to be voting. >> it's a dead zone. >> there was a report this morning about g.o.p. establishment getting together and really going after donald trump and this time they're going to ban together and sink
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his candidacy. what are you going to do and say about donald trump, what piece of the past? >> what can you say about donald trump he hasn't said about himself? >> i say that politically, what are you going to do and what add could you run in what state to sink him? i don't know what it is. >> it seems to me the more they attack him the stronger he gets. we go back to robinson, for example, let's shock him with electricity and he grows. >> the one thing he hasn't faced is television advertising assault in any place. no one has gone negative on trump. >> but what's your attack? everybody knows he's contributed to hillary clinton and been a democrat and supported single payer health care. they know all of this. >> i think when you say everybody knows, dpagain, trump strength has been credible. i think he's the most electable
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nominee. i'm not dismissive. i'm saying it's not true to say everyone thoughs the thing you just said. in many places there's a lot of voters not fully aware. >> let me go to harold. you can say what you want about donald's character. let's dig into the issues on one of these polls. who do you trust the most? 27-15% donald trump. who do you trust the most on immigration? donald trump.
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harold, if you had those numbers right now in a political race, you would be feeling pretty good. >> look, i think the question, i don't disagree with anything you just said. there's no doubt. if bush had those numbers, carson had the numbers, i would say their going to be a nominee. if you're betting, you could say trump is going to be the nominee. the question remains, how do you go after them in a way that's effective if you're marco rubio, ted cruz. it's safe to say they're probably concerned. if you say the establishment is concerned and he's leading in the polls as he is. i think john is right. there's a lot of people who know the television, the rich, the
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money. >> i can tell you this is a guy that ran the first time against the local, state and national republican party and they were all trying to kill me. >> i was an outsider and nobody knew who i was. every time newt gingrich attacked me, i would hold up the newspaper. my own party is scared of me in washington d.c. if you're donald trump and you have and you have, i guarantee you he's going to hold up a newspaper article saying look at the washington d.c. republicans who have screwed us, lied to us, who have promised to say we're going to balance a budget and kept us safe, they have lied to all of us for 30 years. they're trying to kill me now. please, if i'm donald trump i'm thinking please start these attacks because you'll play
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right into my hands. >> just to reinforce the issues, it seems to me striking in those three areas when you have the new environment after paris, the world we now live in, two areas where trump is trusted more than anyone else in the republican field by republicans is terrorism and immigration. those two issues are conjoined now in a lot of people's minds, especially the republican elect elect elect electorate. he needs to be careful not to go too far although you can say. >> he's gone wildly too far. >> there's a market for that kind of rhetoric in the republican electorate on those issues. it's a big market and it's what's sustaining him. >> there's a market for it but you have to prove you know what you're talking about. >> you do. i think trump has that credibility with voters. you can see it in the polls and see why ben carson is losing. he's lost credibility on the
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number one issue right now. >> i know we got to go, alex. he's not gonl ahead of the issues, he's had it by 30 points. >> jeb bush in all these polls we show is locked at 5%. he can't get any traction going. state by state and nationally. another thing in the fox poll, we show trump up. in head to head match ups with hillary clinton six republicans beat her. six republicans beat hillary clinton head to head. >> by the way, we talked about it last week, democrats may not be panicking. the ones we talked about has a president disconnected from where the heart beat of america is as the president and i suspect and this is what willie is talking about now postparis hillary is losing to marco, jeb, losing to trump, carson, hillary is losing to cruz, christie, she's tired of carly fiorina.
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i think that is the obama effect post paris. >> it is a moment in time and those numbers will change. it is not a good sign for you when the two candidates are getting 3-4%. >> most of us familiar with the brutal acts by isis. a lot of us know little about the terror group. graham wood is going to take us into the apocalypse tick vision. we'll be right back. life's all about learning.... asking questions....
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if congress wants to do something instead of just watching something, help us out with the terror watch list. i'm more worried about them than the syrian refugees. >> bill asking congress to close a loophole that allows suspected terrorist on the no fly list to legally buy firearms. senator diane and congressman peter king are leading a bipart son effort to lead the issue. reaction was buried. john kasich told chuck todd yesterday it's something that caught to be considered.
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donald trump said individuals should be restricted from purchasing guns if they're a known enemy of state. chris christie said it should be a state by state decision of what's going on. >> if you remember after newtown we talked about this. we were talking about increased background checks and a terrorist was saying the great thing about attacking the united states was we could just go to gun shows and pick up all the guns without background checks. background checks for terrorist my trub brothers and sisters, let me say it again. background checks for terrorist and people on the terror watch list. okay. we really do need to start focussing on protecting americans and if you don't like all of the president's
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it was a magazine. you came on the show before the magazine was out. it's remarkable and here we go. we fast forward in front of financial times. they call for a sense of emergency fight against isis. let me ask you, is isis striking out in part against paris and other parts of the world because they're losing the battle actually in iraq and syria? >> in think that could be part f it. it's been a clslow process. they've had a string of defeats. that could be it. i think it has more to do with a larger strategy where they decided if they do get their territory taken away and there's a few key strikes and they want to have people on the upside who can continue to wreak havoc. it may be too they decided they want people everywhere to wreak
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havoc in the capitol around the world. >> our war against isis and global war on terror, generational war? >> i think so. there's a way in which this has been a generational thing for a whole generation of radical muz lems. there's an idea and that idea doesn't go away even if you bomb people. it could take a while. squl wh . >> when you say a while. >> i'm talking about decades. they don't go away fast. you have to purr suede people sigh sis is a dream unfulfilled. it will be a waste of time. this is something that's consumed people of youth and people tend to hang on to the dreams of youth. >> a lot of people new about isis before their attacks in paris. they wanted to know more about isis when they saw what happened in the streets. i know you've answered this question a lot. i've had more people over the weekend saying to me, what's the
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objective of isis? what's the end game? it's not just the bloodshed in paris. what do they want but in addition to that, they also have this view of the end of the world and they think that they're effecting that and that they're causing the end of the world to come and that there's going to be a huge battle between muslims and christians. >> so they want to start a chain of events that will bring about the end of the world. >> they have a sort of if you build it, they will come. >> so they wouldn't have a problem of let's say spending
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the hundreds of millions of dollars they've gotten from oil and investing in a nuclear device and putting it in manhattan. >> they would love to do that but that's maybe out of their range of capability right now. the narrative in their fight doesn't really include manhattan. it includes jerusalem, mecca, they're thinking about those territories first. >> you hear about different groups claiming responsibility. >> it used to be the two groups were completely at each other's throats and isis used to say their strategy was screwed up, that what they were doing was going to cause them to lose. they would have a 9/11 and they
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would have their base taken away from them but now isis thinks it is good to have that kind of spectacular attack. >> but i don't understand. they have a president who is kiss tracted, who doesn't want to fight them, who doesn't want to kill them. are some of their leaders logical enough to know that if the next president decides that if they attack the united states to send 50,000 troops to syria, they will be mopped up in two weeks. will are leaders that saw what happened to iraq twice in a decade. why don't they say keep the fight here, the united states is distracted. >> one is that they think they are favored by god. >> they always die.
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at the end of every movie, they always day. >> i'm not saying it's a rational belief. >> they always die. >> we don't know how much communication there was between the paris attackers and syria, but it's possible that they overstepped and that the syrian leadership would say maybe that was a bit too much and we will get attacked in a way that we can't -- >> i remember when noriega had his machete out and he was threatening the americans and i was like, dude, don't do that. i was like don't do that. they will come and get you and you will either die or be there on in jail. and it happened. it happened all the times. i remember when the towers fell and i sat there like every or american, but i knew there is somebody in al qaeda that said
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up next, a suspected accomplice in the deadly terrorist attack is on the run. >> plus are military analysts cooking the books when it comes to isis in "morning joe" will be right back.
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it's good to have you all this morning. we begin with a continent on edge. brussels, belgium is a city on lockdown this morning. 19 raids and searches were made yesterday. one detained was injured after a car he was in apparently tried to ram police during an attempted getaway. police are still looking for the suspected paris attacker, salah abdeslam, who was not found in those raids. searches took place in three more locations in charleroi.
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chris jansing has more. >> reporter: it's hard to overstate how important police see this search for salah abdeslam. they believe he has the knowledge and the wherewithal potentially to do other attacks. it's been clear by what we've seen in brussels over the last three days that they do have that precise intelligence that says to them another attack much the way we saw here could be in the works in brussels but, boy, has he proved elusive. first of all, he escaped from these attacks. his brother, who is not implicated in any way gave an interview over the weekend. he said he thinks maybe his brother saw something that wasn't quite right and decided it flee. in any case, he was spotted near the belgium border and then subsequently we saw those 19
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raids overnight in brussels. obviously they didn't get him. there's a report in brussels newspapers that he was seen in a bmw heading towards the german border. someone in the car with him told his lawyer that salah abdeslam may have been wearing a suicide vest and carrying explosives. that's the status right now. one more point, obviously what to do about it, the big meeting at the palace today between french president francois hollan hollande. >> later this week i will set out our comprehensive plan to
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take on isil. >> what we don't know is exactly what he will propose by we should know in the coming days, mika. the "new york times" reports as iraqi forces retreated from isis last year, reports were ordered changed to redeployed. and offer the summer, they went to say reports were doctored. we don't know if those reports
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swayed the situation to change -- >> by the way, this is amazing how intel follows the demands of the president, either directly or indirectly. >> in 2005 spotlighted the pressure of george bush's pressure shaped the military assessment for the iraqi invasion. hooker branded it as amateurish and unrealistic. >> first of all, richard, history is repeating itself. you had a president in 2002 that wand to go to iraq and intel was skewed. now you have a president who wants to stay away from eyis,
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says they're contained and they can't attack the united states. this weekend the president says they're just bad guys with a bunch of guns and good social media. it's staggering when you have the president of france and everybody else across the world calling for a sense of urgency. the president stands alone across the globe. and our pentagon -- somebody's cooking the books at the pentagon. >> i hope it's not true. because the principal requirement of intelligence analysts is to speak truth to power. it's not to make them comfortable. it's to make them smart and aware. if it is true, it would be good to know where the pressure is coming from. it's truly, truly a bad thing, if it's true. the president, let me say one thing. the white house has got to stop being sanguin. >> they doing it?
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they keep doing it this week. the president said they're bad guys with guns who have vood social media. that is staggering to our allies, staggering to people like frank bruney, liberal columnist, stabbering -- stagger to to diane feinstein. it doesn't set us up to do the sort of thing we need it do in the region. we can't just do this at home. i've lose got to do it there. again, this doesn't set the predicate for the more assertive policy we need. >> and what he's saying versus what we're doing sometimes doesn't singe up.
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here the president is wrapping up his tour of asia. >> we do not succumb to fear. that's the primary power that these terrorists have over us. they cannot strike a mortal blow against the united states or against france or a country like malaysia. the most powerful tool we have toifi ifiefight isil is to say not afraid, to not elevate them, to somehow buy into their fantasy that they're doing something important. they're a bunch of killers. i am not afraid that isil will beat us because of their operations. when i see a headline that says
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this individual who designed this plot in paris is a mastermind, he's not a master mind. he found a few other vicious people, got hands on some fairly conventional weapons and sadly it turns out if you're willing to die, you can kill a lot of people. they're a bunch of killers will good social media. >> john kerry said the same thing, it was much adieu about nothing. they created a network. there is not an agency in the world that doesn't fear isis. he's radically out of step where the american people are, where oral lies are, where foreign policy experts are. why do you go from saying
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they're a jc team, they're contained, they can't attack the united states, they're just a bunch of killers were guns and social media. >> first of all, the intelligence story is -- >> what, about them cooking the books? >> that is an enorm os story. you have to find out, a, if it's true and, b, if it is true, where did the pressure to cook the books come from? >> how much does that sound like 2002 and the lead-up to the iraq war? ? >> there are a great deal of similarities between 2002 and this intel story. secondly, if you listen to people, just people, the president of the united states, it's time for him to address the united states. it's time for him to give a speech to the country -- >> who was around him, mike, to speak troot to power and say, mr. president, we're sorry, they
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aren't a jv team, you're scaring the heck out of the american people. 57% disapprove of his handling of isis, 60% of americans now support sending ground forces into iraq and syria. that's up 30% from a year and a half ago. 81% of americans blow thelieve terror attack is possible or likely.
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>> what we learned a long time ago is that if the united states does not lead, nobody else will. theins has to provide stronger leadersh leadership. air strikes are great by they're not enough. isis has gained in gaining territory. we've got to take that territory away from them. it's been a year. they're still in mosul. they're still in ramadi, they're still in raqqah. thos are the ar those are the areas we have to go after. >> i don't think the approach is
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sufficient to the job. i think the general principles. but i'm concerned that we don't have the time and we don't have years. we need to be aggressive now. because isil is a quasi state. it's got 30,000 fighters, it's got a civil infrastructure,ets got funding. it's spreading in other countries and it's a big, big problem. >> so -- peggy noon and also writes in the wall street journal, on the issue of isis, the american president is amazingly barely relevant. if mr. obama had wisdom as oppose to pride and a desire to smack around the gop -- >> fred hyatt writes "the choice is not between invasion and inaction, what's needed is
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relatively modest levels of persistent engagement." willie, leon panetta, his former cia director says we need more. diane feinstein says isis is a quasi state, they're spreading across the globe. he's still saying they're con it and here. 81% of americans say an attack is imminent. this president is so radically disconnected to the 300 million americans he serves. >> when you have form are members of his cabinet and
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allies, diane feinstein finally saying enough is enough, we're going on tv and talking how big this threat is. >> 0% of americans think it's very or somewhat likely there will be a large terrorist attack on the u.s. in the near future. he wonders were the republicans are running around saying kuky things, it's because there's a void in leadership. he's got to convince 81% of americans this he actually takes the threat seriously and he refuses to do it. >> maybe he thinks he doesn't want to be george bush. >> how dangerous is this? >> no white house wants to overpromise and underdeliver.
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the problem here is simply people. it takes a neg legible percentage of a community to cause real harm. so we justice doesn't know. our intelligence is limited, particularly in our coverage of the home front. >> but the commander in chief sets the tone. >> yeah. >> and right now he's going to g-20 conferences being petulant like he's running in an illinois senate race whacking around republicans. >> still ahead on "morning joe," ben carson is beginning to fade. and it appears ted cruz is beginning to capitalize. we're joined by harvard university's director of polling on that. >> joe and mika, a cold weekend.
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against the backdrops be will the look at some polls. donald trump nationally is at 32%, ben carson 10 points back at 22%, marco rubio -- >> look at that, though.
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32-22, it's massive. >> carson down 5 in this poll. meanwhile "the washington post"/abc poll asks respondents which republican candidates do they think would best handle srn issues? >> trump. next closest, ben carson a rubio at 18%. s that a huge 27% lead for donald trump. huge spread. >> willie, you look at those numbers, especially on the economy and now on terror, which is a top issue, a donald trump, a 30-point lead. you go enside these numbers ander that not okay ben carson,
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though, does appear to be going away. >> a lot of people say a national poll doesn't matter. i p let look at the states. i think you'll be surprised. cnn has released its criteria for the december 15th in law. cnn said friday candidates who average at least 4 prts in iowa a and donald trump now in first place in iowa, he's got 30%. ted cruz moves into second pleas. he's up points sense the end of october. ben carson back down to 1%, down 8 points in just the smas his lk
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of knowledgin love to say, well, these republicans are idiots, they don't know what they're doing. no. er that going to strong candidates and they're seeing the weakness in ben carson in three weeks ago you'd ask people what's on your mind about issues? it would be the economy, school thjs. >> it now a come been as, will exactly represent will kating the number this carson was down is interested people is been
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uking about as a good who was positioned than gts a debeat or two. but you look at organization. everybody i taebd to in cruz is built to last. also money. >> i think they both know that are fighting for some of the same ground. we just had up the new hampshire poll. donald trump up 2 point -- excuse me, 19 points. rubio is up 6 there, cruz up 5 points. but even you've bon got i mean,
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you have a candidate who is complete le dominant in iowa and new hampshire. >> i do think he needs to be kaerful when making 9/11 comments. >> in this "boston globe"/suffolk university poll, this threw mitt romney in the mix. in a new hampshire that included romney as nam he wents 31% of the vote, donald trump % if you throw him in that mix there. >> just go done to florida. he's withining be had beat mark when can can. >> coming up on "morning joe o
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ebelieve isis is going to be defeat defeated. isis is not ten feet tall. there is a united front. i am absolutely convinced that
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daesh will be defeated. heem need to not fannish. there is a strategy in place growing by the day. >> john heilemann, my god, i just -- is kind of look saying there's nothing to see and everybody is look storming out. it's chaff wigham, nothing to see here, move along, move along. what is driving the prz, the exact, on the sam day. the waupt board, mike broon
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brooney. everybody is saying -- >> striking thes i do think when you've seen the level of pan being and some of the are the rk here at hom that different pi california britain look, west is strong are than this group. we can within will proo they have been undersomething threat. and thein stel has been cooked. >> el with, we don't know that. >> of that beenoned selling the threat for years. the president called them a j.v.
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teamed on frd you wonder why they can't come ot and be as strong and forceful as the president of france, it a andagrain. >> thanks for having me. a day before the paris attacks i could already feel the popablele 0 or more students who are grad
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students or nm cause congratulate concern about the future of america. 24 hours later we say the terrorist attacks and it could be a resetting of where this generation thinks about politics, similar in the way which the older reseason system. you loolk at and this 5 2 snm supported sending ground troop to fight isis before the sprng even wait a minute.
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. . that are calling for a strong are, mook collaborative approach. i f my high school, it graduated. it downmart, nong in. . in "family ties." >> come on! come on! >> you have florida we were shaped by one failure after another. these kids are young kids. one of their first memories, probably the towers coming done. it has to shape a johnson rag. >> my sense of it is the attack
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of the. but my sense of it is, john they feel as if nothing works. er that sort of me. i feel like nothing works. could you address that issue. but also on the 5 % of the students or millennials who wand boots on the ground, troops on the ground. i think a couple of points. . we saw this exact moment in ', 2,000. 1 made it very real very quickly. we saw seg changes overnight in our polling. i hope that's the case in this upcoming lks that this is a cat losing moment.
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ethey i don't think people care deeply about this country and we'll see. we've got a poll coming out in just a couple of weeks where we that specific question, will you go in called by your country to serve? >> please come back with the results of that. meek, when we had our last medal of honor recipient here, we sktd him, why did you get involved? he said 9/11. so people who are encareened to go fight for country, 9/11 i still am surprised by how many people in the military right now will stel tell me i got there, i'm not surprised by that. i am prooiz by the number of younger people who lan more conservative than in the last 10 or years. >> but make, wouldn't say this because 55% say that are going
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good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. while belgium is in lockdown, secretary of state kerry speaking exclusively on the "today" show, sought to assure jittery americans here at home. >> i can assure you we don't have a specific threat stream or specific evidence in front of us. we have every effort being made by homeland security, by the fb b

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