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good morning. i'm jose diaz-balart. while belgium is in lockdown, secretary of state kerry speaking exclusively on the "today" show, sought to assure jittery americans here at home. >> i can assure you we don't have a specific threat stream or specific evidence in front of us. we have every effort being made by homeland security, by the fbi, by interpol and people are
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working hard at this. >> stephanie gosk gets us started from new york's times square. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. there are certainly some americans who feel rattled while getting ready for thanksgiving. law enforcement wants to calm those nerves while not taking any chances. here the nypd invited the media to a mock fake shooter situation. it was not unlike the attack in paris. it's really an opportunity for the police to prove that they're ready. an active shooter in a closed new york city subway, a scary thought but this is just a drill. after the attacks in paris, there was a new twist, a shooter
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with a suicide vest. >> in new york city we are at this team very well prepared and continually improving that preparedness. but the idea is to get in and men m minimize casualties. >> the fbi said there was no credible threat. fear in the sky as well with two international flights grounded in canada over the weekend. explosives were not found on either play. and a southwest plane from indianapolis to l.a. was diverted after they said several passengers exhibited strange behavior. the passengers were questioned
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and released. president obama addressed possible growing fear in the u.s. while insisting isis will be destroyed. >> we do not succumb to fear. that's the primary power these terrorists have over us. >> reporter: later this week, president obama will meet with president hollande to talk. >> now to the latest developments out of paris, french president francois hollande met with the british prime minister. chris jansing has been following
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all of this from paris. what is the very latest? and talk to me about the suggested alliance. >> i think what we saw today was a very strong show of support by david cameron. you're seeing this momentum coalition to fight isis building. he said obviously they've been already dropping bombs in iraq. he's going to propose that expand to syria and this is what david cameron had to say just a little earlier this morning. >> on friday the united nations unanimously backed action against isil in syria and iraq. later this week i will set out in parliament our comprehensive strategy for tackling isil. i formally support the action that president hollande has taken to fight isil and it's my
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firm belief britain should do so, too. >> the question is what will the details be. in 2013 when there was a proposal to go after assad, that fell short by a few votes in the house of commons. but this is obviously a key work for president francois hollande. it shows some of the french are giving him more support. he goes to washington where he'll have an oval office meeting with president obama and thursday on to moscow and vadmer putin. jose? >> and president obama is getting a pushback, some feeling he's minimizing the threat. any indication the white house is trying to change his strategy? >> i think when you look at what the president said in the days after this, when he was in turkey, at the g-2, before he left to go back to the united states just yesterday, the tone
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has not changed significantly nor has the message. yesterday he said and again a lot of criticism for him saying basically isis is a bunch of killers with good social media. people saying also that we don't succumb to fear, he thinks that this is a base ek sense of unease. now in terms of his rhetoric or in terms of what the united states said it will do, certainly involving troops on the ground, there has been no chang at all. >> and now to brussels, a city on lockdown today, claudio
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lavanga is live for us this morning. >> reporter: good morning. the federal prosecutor's office released a statement that an additional five house searches were performed in the area here of brussels and belgium. that is in addition to the original 19 raids performed last night, bringing the total of the number of raids now we have 16 people in total arrested last night, five more today. >> of course the one thing we know, salah abdeslam, the one fugitive still linked to the attack was not here. but we're told there are as many
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as the embassies say they will only perform emergency services today. they are advising citizens here in the area of brussels to exercise extreme caution. >> these last 24 hours in brussels seem as though officials kept ratcheting up the level of pressure and stress. this were asking even people not to sogs media use where they were seeing officials moving. have you sensed in these last 24 hours much more sngs as far as officials concerned about what may be happening? >> reporter: indeed, of course. they asked people not to update on social media where -- there
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were many blocks around the city hall that were cordoned off and we were were trying to be cautious about that. there was actually a prelty interesting, not funny reaction by the social media, they started posting pictures of cats to clog that hash tag, not to b that. i'm here and there right behind me is a big military truck.
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it is difficult to move around when even buses that are running are limited. there are at least six lanes or bus routes that have been cancelled off that are not working because there is not enough bus drivers. now some can reach the place of work. others need to stay home with their kid because the schools are closed and others are simply too afraid to show up for work, jose. >> thank you very much. let me ask about this manhunt going on in brussels for salah abdeslam. do you believe this is a guy that continues to be important? >> absolutely. i mean, we know he was part of the terrorist attack and particularly if he's armed with a suicide vest and the reporting says that he's very agitated and unstable, it's a very difficult situation for the government in
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belgium right now to figure out where he is and contain him but also keep a city moving. the economic damage that this manhunt is causing is unbelievable. >> yeah. initially we were told that the subway stations in brussels were going to be open yesterday afternoon. they are continuing to be closed today. as claudio was saying, a lot of people are staying home. listen to this. >> isil has brought in people in other countries. it hasn't expanded by moving to those other countries. it has taken terrorists who already exist in those other countries, and they have pledged loyalty to daesh. that's different. >> so do attacks in syria really get to the route of this problem? >> it's a very difficult situation. if we look at all the news over the past couple of weeks, we've
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had attacks in beirut, we've had an airliner it and down leaving out of sharmel. i think that was maybe jv one point has moved up to the varsity bench. >> anxiety seems to be giving way to fear. is it warranted. >> i think the situation here is
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a bit different. it's very unlikely, though possible, that we have sleeper cells here of isis, meaning people that have received a level of training, equipment and at some level are communicating with or controlled by isis central. a more likely scenario is that we would have some type of lone wolves looking to steal the media based on everything going on in paris. i would say don't cancel your travel plans. >> breaking news. >> well sh it's a damn lie and that's not a word that i often
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peter alexander is following this from washington. >> reporter: more evidence this morning republican voters want change over experience for the fourth straight month. >> i don't want to close m
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mosques, want to surveil mosques. trump maintaining his 10-point lead. as trump remains strong, once given controversy has followed. trump calling for a database of syrian refugees. and he wouldn't rule out a registry of all muslims in the u.s. >> i flat out condemn the idea that we register all muslims. >> i think waterboarding is nothing compared what this do to us. they don't use waterboarding,
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they chop off people's heads. >> there were people cheering on the other side of new jersey where you have large arab p populatio populations, they were cheering as the world trade center came down. >> and he has retweeted an a of black-on-black crime. >> for more on the race, let me bring in nick from the "new york times." a lot of people thought that the paris attacks would hurt trump,
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voters would look to someone with more experience but the exact opposite thing is happening, right? >> i think it is important to note he's been in the lead and -- for a long time but he's never really cracked 50%. this is not a plural there but it is the largest party at the moment. >> if you look at that number again, 42% who really doesn't have experience on it and bush is trying to say he has always the experience needed. he may not be bracing into the 50% but if you add bush are just
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not happy with the geese in washington and they want to hear what trump certainly. >> nick, terrorism is the subject of the moment, for arguably good be reasons, is this that will end ub, there's. in fact, we're seeing the
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get ready. a massive, a technical blast will set the stage for a imagine storm. snow stretched from colorado to cleveland and this new storm has the potential to inflict some pretty nasty travel problems. john yang is live.
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more than a hundred flights cancelled? >> that's right. the alines finally got that baglog cleared out by yesterday. as you can see, the lien's already building here at o'hare. it's what experts are calling the biggest thanksgiving traveling wook sense a 44 estimates more than 47 approximately 42 million will be drive lgs. thos cape codsle roads sense 2008. than it was just a year agriculture at this time. but thing about wild car but
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peacekeepers say most of the snow and ice will be from. jose? >> thank you very much. there has been a brac in the search for a suspect. blackburn was killed earlier this month in what pooh mrs. called a burglar attempt. shfs secretary snm tap it and blackburn. >> and in new orleans, 16 people were hurt after two groups exchanged gun fire at a pla ground. some of those shot were
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teen-agers but police say it can opinion police say he he shot a medical student. he is being seen in this -- >> the woman who stopped to help is also said are has been sense tnsed to jail. he was "the washington
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post"/tehran. the state has saed they cannot confirm this report. >> last year isis kidnapped thousands of iraqi christian women and girls from northern iraq. many were raped and assaulted. few ef returned. we will have their story next right here on msnbc. i am totally blind.
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jim, good morning. what do we know? >> there are still expectation, not conformation, that the french warplanes begun to strook syria, charles -- detals narm and they're being asked to john the u.s. aircraft terrier "presume and in to get as many on target againsties why is and syria, it was thought that a rm
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snr snrmt. but as far as we know, those french air strikes could be under way as we speak. >> and what about cent come revising intelligent assessedments? >> it was thought the init will sources, military and dchlkts o.d. intel officials on the ground in huck pr veeding their about it of mcinformation but the time they wept through cent-come in florida, the command center for iraq, the accusation is that they were hubbed, and the inspector
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in. >> reporter: their pain runs deep. this grandmother told me her husband and sons are all missing. all of the men are gone? >> reporter: oos why is her young girls, her daughter and granddaughter. the scene are of desperation were on part of the story. hundreds and thousands were chased from their land. their ann kent chant rooj maing had this woman's nam has been changed told me they took the youngest and most beautiful first.
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weeks after her capture, she seas she was taken to a fighter's house in syria. aconvenient sold her to another fighter, who raped her for six months. she said all that matters to her is seeing her family again. >> cross has to sprawling refugee camps are living the same hell. more than 2,000 are still pos
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in syria russian air strikes are being credited with helping syrian troops recapture land from isis in the central province. russian president vladimir putin is in tehran today meeting with leaders to discuss the syrian
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crisis and international efforts to end the civil war which has killed about 250,000 people and killed millions. president putin goes to meet with hollande tomorrow and hollande goes to putin later in the week. can we work with russia? the fight against isis? >> we can work with russia, as long as we keep our expectations low. we both think that isis is an enemy but then we have some disagreement. mr. putin, for instance, thinks that assad is his ally and his key to peace by keeping him in power, we disagree with that. second, mr. putin calls a lot of groups fighting in syria terrorists that we can have the moderate on session.
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and for a on some as spbts we can cooperate, on other aspects we can't. >> does it seem now russia is the preeminent force in the middle east, specifically when we're talking about syria? the fact that putin is meeting with iran today tells you that they are pretty much in singe on how to deal with assad, and that regime must -- -- >> walt: they have a strained partnership with iran. and in the war campaign, the united states and 65 countries with the united states has conducted over 8,000 air strikes in iraq and syria against isis. russia has just even o, have
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been threatening the assad regime. their tactic is attack first, deal with those forces later. >> and those few remaining that could be american alines being being and believe had a disagreement with the russians about that for a long time. in the last couple of days in terky where plmia and turkey met, i think we should focus on ice is because if assad cities
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for many the war is now following them. recent attacks in paris have made it even harder for many of the refugees who were already struggling to find jobs and adjust to life in a new country. msnbc's olivia sterns spoke with one of those refugees. she joins me this morning from paris. >> reporter: good morning, jose. it is a really sad situation. we know the terrorists spent time in syria, then many people here had this knee-jerk reaction, as they did in america, to say, hold on a
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second, we should close the doors, we shouldn't accept any more refugees coming in from syria. but of course that's very unfair because most of the terrorists, if not all of the terrorists, actually were european nationals. i met up with a 30-year-old syrian refugees, a warm young woman. she is truly one of the lucky ones. she is well educated, she fled syria 2 1/2 years ago, she spent 18 months in turkey and a year ago came here after she got an asylum visa. her life is incredibly challenging. she told me all she really wants is to just be able to find a job. >> i'm trying to get a job. >> how hard is it to find a job? >> a lot. it's really hard. i applied for around 100. >> 100 jobs? >> 100 jobs. different places.
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hotels as receptionist, probably because i speak a different language. ngos. because of the experience i have. but nothing works. i've been working since my first year at college. >> you have a degree. >> yeah. it's not degree. i finished three years of law. so this is another problem because i can't finish it. i need to start all over again. >> you think there is an opportunity here in france for you to make a new life? >> i'm trying. i don't know yet. where i'm going to end but, yes, i'm trying. i'm trying hard. >> do you feel safe here in france? >> depends on the safe meaning. >> you feel nervous for your security? >> i have family problems which cannot make me safe a lot. but also i -- yes. when i came here, it was little
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bit. but because i was wearing a headscarf. >> you think you'll go back to wearing a headscarf? >> i hope so. i hope so. after all, it is my religion. >> i asked is her how long she thinks two take her to recreate the life she had with her family in damascus where her family owned a home and three cars. she said she has no hope of ever being able to afford to buy a home here in central pares. as for buying a car, she thought maybe ten years if she's lucky. again, i really want to stress, this is a woman who is one of the relatively lucky ones. people forget, they think the migrants coming over from syria are dirt poor. it's not true. the very poor, if anything, are still stuck there. these are the people who could afford to get out. >> olivia sterns from paris,
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thank you very much. in our next hour, terror fears as we head into the holiday season. new urgency added to a previously planned terror drill in new york city's subway. we're going to talk about security measures around the country. plus, empty streets this monday morning in brussels amid tight security there. police raids throughout the city nabbed 21 suspects. the very latest ahead on msnbc live. why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you? well, because it tells us something powerful about progress: that whether times are good or bad, people and their ideas will continue to move the world forward. as long as they have someone to believe in them. citi financed the transatlantic cable that connected continents. and the panama canal, that made our world a smaller place. we backed the marshall plan that helped europe regain its strength. and pioneered the atm, for cash, anytime.
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absolutely convinced that daesh will be defeated and there will be increased steps taken in order to do so. what we need to do is not succumb to fear. people need to not panic. there is a strategy in place growing by the day. >> let me bring in nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. good morning. we just heard from secretary kerry. what are you hearing from intelligence officials? >> well, intelligence officials are not just talking to me, jose. they're being quite public about this. the homeland security secretary jeh johnson was on "meet the press" sunday. the fbi director had a news conference late last week, and their message is the same. they know of no specific or credible plots against the u.s. now there were some jitters over the weekend because of some claims by members or followers of the hacker group anonymous that they had ferreted out some potential plots, including one for a sporting event over the
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weekend? atlanta. police checked into it and said they did not find any evidence of it. but i think the message this week is going to be that they'll maintain their vigilance which really they started after the paris attacks. but the other way to think about this, jose, is that this isis threat is something that the homeland security department, the fbi, the police have been living with for a year-and-a-half. this is not a radical departure from them. they do from time to time adjust the amount of vigilance and security. we saw it before the fourth of july holiday when there was a series of arrests. these pictures are from the terror drill in new york over the weekend. it was previously planned. it was somewhat mod need to take into account some of the things they learned about paris, including the prospect of a suicide bomber. but this is something that homeland security has been encouraging local police departments to do around the country for the last couple of years, and in fact the one in new york was planned before the
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paris attacks but was somewhat modified. >> pete williams, thank you very much. let's go now to paris where french president francois hollande met with british prime minister david cameron one day before heading to washington for talks with president obama. chris jansing joins me in paris. first, chris, let me ask you about the meeting between hollande and cameron. >> reporter: i think they hope this is a sign that the global support for the fight against isis is picking up momentum. we already heard from david cameron that he would like to see his country do more. they've already been doing bombing runs over iraq, he'd like to extend that to syria. he talked also about giving france a key airbase positioned strategically in cyprus. what will he present to parliament later this week and what will their reaction be. in 2013 when they asked to go against president assad in syria, the answer was no.
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so we will see what the response is there. in the meantime, the french have been making a show of force already this morning. we talked over the weekend about how they move the aircraft carrier "charles duh gall" de gr syria to do more bombing runs. that's already started, being be confirmed by foreign sources so they are hoping that they can show, look, we're doing our part, we need more european countries and the rest of the world to step up and be part of this coalition. >> chris, what can you expect tomorrow between president obama and hollande? >> reporter: yeah, so today we have 1 of 3 meetings, hollande, then putin. tomorrow this is clearly going to be a conversation about how they move forward. but what the united states is willing to do. what the president has signaled over the last week is while everyone needs to step up, the united states isn't going to be responsible for doing it alone. if there's going to be pressure, it's probably going to have to do with russia, because russia
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has lost a jetliner, because it lost so many of its citizens due to u sis. the french see this as an opening, a way for them to be more aggressive in the fight against isis. the united states based on past experience and based on the fact that their previous bombing runs have largely focused on rebel forces and not on isis fighters are skeptical, frankly. and there is also a lot of concern about what vladimir putin might want in exchange. for example, will he push the europeans for an easing of sanctions that were put in place because of ukraine? so that's going to be i think the tough part of the conversation. the president certainly has signaled that there's no appetite, at least from this administration, for moving more ground troops in. it is unlikely that hollande will press there knowing that he's not going to get very far. >> chris jansing in this morning. turning no you to belgium where the latest fugitive linked to the paris attacks, salah abdelslam, is still on the run after apparently escaping more than two dozen police raids
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across the country overnight. nbc's claudio lavanga is live for us in brussels where those raids took place. claudio, good morning. what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning, jose. we are being told the national security council is meeting right now. then we expect them to hold a press conference shortly after that. hopefully we will learn a little more information about this very large anti-terror operation that has been going on since last night. what we know is that a total of 29 raids were carried out since last night. 24 in brussels in the area around brussels. thr one about 25 miles, and another two elsewhere. a total of 21 people have been arrested. we don't know if they've been charged, linked to terrorism or to the paris attacks. hopefully we'll know from the press conference that's about to come up. as you said, salah abdelslam was not among them, and that is one
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of the reasons why of course the terror threat here is still on level four, the highest here. that's also why the u.s. and canadian embassies released a statement saying that they are closed for the day. they'll only perform extraordinary services. also they are advising all u.s. citizens here the territory of belgium and brussels to exercise extreme caution. >> thank you very much. now to the very latest on the breaking news we brought you earlier today. a former benghazi investigator, air force reserve major bradley pudliska is filing a lawsuit against the house benghazi committee and suing chairman trey gowdy personally. let's take a listen to what he said last month. >> well, it's a damn lie and that's not a word that i often use. well, he was a lousy employee and that was evidenced by the fact that he mishandled classified, and he wouldn't do what his supervisors instructed
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him to do. >> msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber joins me now with exclusive details on this new lawsuit. >> good morning. that's right, jose, we just obtained here in our newsroom this new federal suit that is suing the benghazi committee saying, a, they had a political bias against hillary clinton, b, they discriminated against this air force reservist based on his service, the fact that he had to leave the committee for some time to go do his military duties, and, c, this is big and brand-new today, jose, the breaking news -- suing trey gowdy, the congressman, personally saying that he defamed him. there has been a lot of debate over this has been a committee that was just conducting an independent and fair-minded investigation, or as some allege and even some republicans said, where it was explicitly designed to somehow damage or hurt hillary clinton as a candidate. that's not what committees are supposed to do if they're just following the facts. they shouldn't have a
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preordained agenda. what's so striking here is that this air force reservist and registered republican, he says, has basically blown the lid open on that and said that in his view, the committee was biased, indeed that because he was personally charged with investigating things outside of the state department, like other agencies' response to the benghazi attacks, that that combined with the fact that he had to leave town basically to do his military duties led to all this tension and he says retaliation by senior staff of the committee. today is the first time we've seen his case laid out in detail in federal court. we've written extensively about the new case on msnbc.com. the committee and trey gowdy have repeatedly previously denied it just like that clip you showed. they've said these are the complaints of a former disgruntled employee. they've also said he mishandled classified information. that as well is part of the whole fight because he's saying he was defamed by that and that
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he didn't mishandle the information. if this case goes to the trial, it would be one of the biggest political trials we've seen in washington in a long time, jose. >> ari melber, thank you very much. lots ahead on this busy monday morning starting with shifting poll numbers for leading gop candidates and some potential cause for concern within the carson campaign. but first, look at this. the first snowfall in cleveland yesterday. parts of the region seeing several inches of lake-effect snow. and an update on the holiday forecast for you right here on msnbc live. at planters we know how to throw a remarkable holiday party. just serve classy snacks and be a gracious host, no matter who shows up. [cricket sound] richard. didn't think you were going to make it. hey sorry about last weekend, i don't know what got into me. well forgive and forget... kind of. i don't think so! do you like nuts?
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in the 2016 race for president, ben carson on the defensive last night in iowa as he has come under increased scrutiny for his foreign policy chops. >> they say carson doesn't know anything about foreign affairs,
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and yet everybody picks up on all the stuff that i say, including president obama and start using it themselves. i think it's very, very strange. >> the latest poll numbers out this morning suggest the carson bubble may have burst. steve kornacki is at the big board with the very latest numbers. >> good morning. that's right, we're getting a lot of new numbers in the last couple days looking at how paris has changed the race for president. you say ben carson is really the headline here. this is the average of all the polls that are out there right now. who's your choice for the republican nomination? well, if you looked at this a couple weeks ago, ben carson had actually pulled ahead of donald trump. but in the last three weeks now you see donald trump now back comfortably in first place. ben carson falling back eight points behind him. why is carson falling back, why is trump pulling a little ahead right now? take a look at this. terrorism. in the wake of the terrorist attacks -- this is a fox news poll out over the weekend --
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they asked republican voters what's the most important issue facing the country and that number has more than doubled, those who say terrorism. it is now the top issue beating out the economy, the economy down nine points. that's what the paris attacks have done. we have more numbers here looking at this ben carson/donald trump dynamic. this is up in new hampshire, the key first in the nation state of new hampshire. they asked -- a poll asked new hampshire voters over the weekend of all those candidates out there which one is best equipped to handle isis. they said donald trump. donald trump came in first in new hampshire on that question. nationally, look at this. bloomberg, they said compare donald trump to ben carson on this issue of combating terrorism. which one are you more comfortable with? by a wide margin they chose donald trump and not ben carson. when you see ben carson slipping back it may be because he's had some difficulty handling these foreign policy questions. donald trump's had difficulties of his own but one thing he hasn't lacked for is confidence. maybe that explains the number there a little bit. donald trump on that subject of confidence he was asked about
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some of his controversial statements about refugees yesterday on abc. let's listen to what he had to say. >> you did stir up a controversy with those comments over the database. let's try to clear that up. are you unequivocally now ruling out a database on all muslims? >> no, not at all. i want database for the refugees that, if they come into the country. we have no idea who these people are. when the syrian refugees are going to start pouring in to this country, we don't know if they're isis, we don't know if it is a trojan horse and i definitely want a database and other checks and balances. we want to go with watch lists. we want to go with databases and we have no choice. we have no idea who's being sent in here. this could be -- probably not, but it could be the great trojan horse of all time. >> that was donald trump yesterday on abc's "this week." sam stein, senior politics editor the a "the huffington post." this question of ben carson, donald trump, on paper neither
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has any experience with foreign policy. but donald trump seems to be politically benefiting from what's happened in paris and this emphasis on terrorism and ben carson seems to be falling back. what do you make of that? >> i think it is all rhetorical to be honest. one talks with confidence, the other seems uneasy on his feet and people are picking up on these things. but what they're saying, if you look at it substantively, we're entering a fairly dark period of this campaign. right? we're talking about gross limiting of civil liberties, monitoring muslims in mosques, potentially shutting them down, keeping databases. let's step back from the poll numbers for a second and look at the substance -- which is really dark stuff. i was joking on twitter yesterday but if was watching the sunday shows he kind of blushd yesterd blushed yesterday what was being said. he's playing into the fears post-paris and he's doing it well but what is the long-term damage. >> so many comparisons are made to how george w. bush responded in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 saying we are not at war with islam. contrasting that with what you haer from republicans now.
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is there room in this republican debate, in this republican field for the kinds of things that george w. bush was saying just a decade ago? >> i feel like sometimes you shift the debate so far over to one side that the middle ground suddenly becomes a very unconventional middle ground. so at this point when you have someone like marco rubio who's saying maybe we shouldn't do a database but we should be monitoring mosques or places where they are having un-american activities. that rhetoric may be five, ten years ago would be considered a little bit uneasy but now it seems almost centrist. so the short answer is i'm not entirely sure. you do see people like jeb bush coming out and saying, let's slow down. but not totally. then people like john kasich who is the moderate governor in this case. you wonder where is the middle ground on this debate. >> the poll numbers, donald trump is inching up so carson's falling back but you look at like jeb bush, people around jeb bush were thinking maybe
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experience here, maybe the brand name, maybe in the wake of paris with -- >> yeah, right? >> -- on terrorism but you're not seeing any uptick on jeb bush. >> conventional rules have totally gone out the window. everything that we expected to happen has not happened. i think hopefully this recedes as an issue because obviously this is tied to the attacks in paris and hopefully there is not another attack. i do think as we go along the economy will come back as is preeminent issue. but as we live in this moment, it is clearly overtaking politics and donald trump is just better at playing to people's ids i guess than anyone else with conventional experience. >> 125 days now donald trump has led in the polling. no sign of slipping yet. sam stein of huffington post, thanks for joining us. jose, with that, we send it back to you. up next, a manhunt under way in new orleans for the man accused of shooting a good samaritan and it was all captured on camera. the very latest on the investigation and the hero's
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mms of americans will soon be heading out for their thanksgiving holiday but a brewing winter storm could cause some major travel troubles. the system comes after a weekend snowstorm that hit the middle section of the country especially hard, including chicago and cleveland. let's go right to nbc meteorologist bill karins for details. bill, who's getting hit the hardest? >> well, it was over the weekend the great lakes, the cleveland area, chicago, north of indianapolis. that storm has gone. we're actually clear. it is too bad today is not the busiest travel day of the year. that comes on wednesday. only 7% of the nation has some clouds right now. forecast looks beautiful out there this afternoon. no problem. today is going to be a banner day for airports across the board. the only story is the cold air. this is the coldest morning we've had yet this morning. 50% of the country was below freezing. for a lot of people even like myself outside of new york city i lost a lot of my flowers outside for the first time. it is amazing. i've never had a growing season
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go this long. that was the case in a lot of places. 22 in detroit, there's still snow on the ground in this chicago. what was unusual was how cold it got in the deep south. it is the time of year when you get your first freezes. atlanta down to 36 this morning. our friends in north florida are feeling like the 40s. cold air has arrived but it is not going to stay with us. this is what's been amazing about this november, it's been so warm. we've had quick shots of cold, then it warms right back up. areas like mississippi are in the 70s towards thanksgiving. atlanta should be 65 and sunny. detroit goes up to 54. new york city should be 58. carolinas, no problem at all. the eastern half of country looks gorgeous for your travel the rest of this week. the problem is out west. a storm comes in tonight. these are snowfall predictions here. many areas in darker blues are 6 to 12 inches of snow. california mountains, the worst of the snow in that who comes on tuesday. salt lake city to jackson hole across wyoming that's going to be bad tuesday, tuesday night, wednesday morning. 6 to 12 inches of snow.
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not a blockbuster huge storm but if you're traveling in the rockies, that's where it is the worst. your wednesday forecast travel map, shower activity iowa, chicago, denver thanksgiving day, this is when we start to get stormy. we start to bring up a lot of rain here. this doesn't look too snowy, dallas, oklahoma city, tulsa, it could be rainy. even chicago could get very heavy rain thursday into friday. that will continue to push on black friday up into the great lakes for your shopping plans. as far as the macy's parade goes, in new york city, spongebob and friends couldn't ask for a better forecast. winds are looking very light. temperatures going to be up in the low 50s. you couldn't ask for a better forecast for the parade here. it is going to be right outside our window here at 30 rock. come on up, i'll get some doughnuts, some coffee. >> it's getting cold here. my senior producer was looking for those hand warmers because i think it was 65 degrees this morning? >> are you going to have to find a pair of pants?
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>> never. guillermo, thank you. an all-out manhunt under way right now for a suspect in the shooting of a good samaritan who was trying to help a woman in trouble. this is the man police in new orleans are looking for. 21-year-old yurin cain. this surveillance video shows the suspect shooting a tulane medical student in the stomach while gold was apparently stopping a woman from being kidnapped. first, how is peter gold doing? >> reporter: it is remarkable he is alive. he is at the hospital right now at tulane medical center which is the same place where he is studying to be a doctor. his condition is guarded. doctors say that he is improving. as you noted, police now have an all-out manhunt looking for this gunman. police now have a suspect they're hunting in the vision shooting of a fourth-year tulane medical student. they say the man with the gun
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seen in this security video is 21-year-old yurin cain and authorities have a message for him. >> we know who you are and we are going to find you. >> reporter: some say it is a miracle the victim peter gold is alive this morning. the fourth-year med student seen here stopping his car to help a woman he saw being dragged by an armed man early friday morning. the attacker turns his gun on the good samaritan demanding money, police say. gold says he doesn't have any. >> eyewitnesses saying that they heard a man yelling out, i already told you i don't have any money. then they heard a pop. gentleman shot one time in the stomach. >> reporter: aiming at gold lying wounded on the ground, the attacker appears to pull the trigger geagain and again but h gun jams and the shooter flees. >> if i witnessed that i would have stayed in my car or in the
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building, got on the cell phone, dialed 911. >> reporter: gold's friends say they aren't surprised by his selfless act. many on social media calling him a hero after police found the getaway car sunday they connected it to cain who already has a lengthy record. cain faces charges of attempted first degree murder, kidnapping and armed robbery. and police say there's no question he will be caught. >> someone knows who he is. someone knows where he is hiding. >> reporter: the one person who is undoubtedly thankful that peter gold did what he did is that woman who is being dragged. her name has not been released. police say that she has been treated but they're not releasing any more information. meantime, as i said, there is an all-out manhunt. peter gold's family says that they would respect some privacy right now while he is in recovery but they said that peter continues to improve. jose? >> kerry sanders, thank you very much. time for some other
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headlines this morning. indianapolis police arrested 18-year-old larry taylor in the murder of amanda blackburn. she was pregnant when she was killed earlier this month expecting her second child with her husband, pastor davy blackburn. in a statement this morning, the pastor said, "the investigators have assured me they have a solidly-built case to ensure justice is levied and the process is expedited." in minneapolis, u.s. justice department now investigating the death of a 24-year-old man who was fatally shot by a police officer on the 15th of november. officers say jamar clark tried to interfere with an ambulance crew treating a victim of domestic violence. the shooting sparked protests outside the city's police department demanding the release of footage from the incident. clark's funeral will be held on wednesday. detroit's democratic congressman john conyers is set to announce he will run for a 27th term. the 86-year-old has served as a u.s. representative for 50 years. he's currently the longest serving member of congress.
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he's a founding member and dean of the congressional black caucus. now to argentina. there is a new president after the country's first ever runoff election. the winner, a conservative. the mayor of buenos aires. the business friendly candidate says he's going to set their economy on a better course. up next the city of lights recovering after tragedy while the global fight against isis grows. the very latest on the paris terror attacks. and air strikes in syria. meanwhile, more syrian refugees showing up at the u.s.-mexico border. more on this after a quick break right here on msnbc. which means you can watch in the house, in a treehouse, or even in miss pepperpie's house. pause in your pjs and hit play during a pb&j. nice! and enjoy some cartoons instead of listening to dad's car tunes.
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from the "charles de gaulle" aircraft carrier. british prime minister david cameron says he'll ask parliament this week for approval to join the u.s.-led air strikes against isis in syria. belgium remains in lockdown for the third day in a row. the terror alert raised to its highest level due to a terror threat shutting down subways, schools and stores. i want to bring in kevin barron, msnbc national security analyst and executive director of defense one. kevin, let's talk a little bit about -- you've said the word crossroads for western governments trying to figure out how to grapple with this. what does that mean? >> well, for a long time there's been a lot of talk about the very highest levels of international order, is the world really organized to deal with terrorism? we still have institutions that were based on world war ii and the idea that something would have to be catalyst to change thinking in such a way to get
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beyond the cold war years, to get beyond the iraq and afghanistan war years to really focus on a global threat that requires a new global order of attention towards it. i think that that's what's coming up ahead right now. with the british prime minister about to lay out his new plan, with obama coming back to washington meeting with hollande, it is lining up where there needs to be -- or it seems that there is going to be some pretty big pronouncements by the key western leaders and who's paying attention to this is wanting to see what comes next. the only real summit level meeting on the books to come forward that has to do with security specifically is the nato presidential summit later next year in warsaw. but a lot of folks think that might be too late. if this is a moment to capture for real momentum for real attention, something's got to happen soon. >> yeah. when you talk about a new order needed -- and this battle is not against a regular army or a government in place like it was
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in afghanistan after 9/11. so how is it that a new order can fight a group that does not have a regular army and is really kind of engrained within the civilian populations of syria and iraq? >> well, something to the effect that can handle the complexity of the situation, as you are describing it, meaning something that can deal with the on-the-ground conventional military, special operations military happenings that are going on across the middle east and north africa, stretching all the way back to the cities, to law enforcement, to homeland security, which is different for us in america versus in europe, which is much closer to the fight, which is closer to the region, has more of a collective sense about it. so on some different level -- you know, nato is a military alliance. that's about military invasion. it is not really geared for this. there's been years of defense ministers going to nato asking nato to consider having a greater focus on the middle
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east, and expeditionary force to the region, maybe having more homeland security force, increasing defense spending. all of these items are now kind of up for grabs and on the table. just news today in france there is a surge in recruit -- people going to recruiting offices for the french military. something different may be happening after this paris attack. and it is different than a lot of the rhetoric we hear back in the states. it is not 10,000 ground troops, 20,000 ground troops, the no-fly zone, the same talking points and the criticisms of the administration all year long. >> there's also the issue of, as you say, nato which was essentially created so if one country's attacked, all of the other nato countries would support it fighting back. but isn't this, in effect, as president hollande says, a declaration of war that isis did a week ago friday? >> well, saying declaration of war is different than the legal meaning of it. already the nato countries did not turn to nato for a response. they turned to the eu. they turned to something
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different. and there are reasons for that. same thing back here in the united states. marco rubio said the same thing, or warrant being the president to declare war. the united states, the western countries, we're already at war. war's already happening. and that thinking is what's criticism is. if it requires declarations of war, then the u.s., the west, is already behind the game because isis, other terrorist organizations are far beyond that. and there's something far more needed than just the troops on the ground in the region. and obama did a fairly decent job over the weekend when probably most people weren't paying attention to lay out a lot of that strategy of saying the u.s. is still going to fight the regional fight of the ground fight for territory in the region, but also go after the heads of the organizations, the financing, and then go after the ideology. that's the three-part plan he talk about. that's all well and good, but doing it on your own or doing it in fits and starts has kind of been what's happened until now.
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if the french, the british, the americans, even with the russians, something wider starts to happen, some new momentum, it could finally be a turning point toward this new attention on the global war on terrorism that's really existed since 9/11 and beyond. but that's a big "if" and that will require a whole lot of summit-level presidential leadership. we'll see what happens. >> kevin baron, thank you very much. federal officials are confirming another group of syrian refugees turned itself in to immigration officials along the u.s.-mexico border. the department of homeland security says the five syrians identified themselves to border agents in the texas city of laredo. they include a family of three, along with two other men. want to get the very latest now from nbc's mark potter here in our miami bureau. mark, exactly what happened? this is the second time just in a couple of days. >> that's right. second time within a week. what we know is that this group that came in friday, a family of three -- a man, woman, child and
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two men, are like the other eight that came in earlier in the week in that they were not trying to sneak in the country. according to the department of homeland security, they came through mexico, they arrived at the laredo port of entry, the official port of entry. they presented themselves to u.s. customs officers an they were screened initially. and the officers compared their names and data to national databases, international databases. they found nothing derogatory and they were then passed on to i.c.e. for detention and now they'll go through the normal immigration processing and the presumption is that they will now be seeking political asylum. it could be a long process. that's the next stage for them. >> mark, you and i have both been togetherality the laredo area and it is pretty porous. people get across pretty easily there. these individuals decided to hand themselves in to officials. do we know how they got to mexico? >> what we believe -- and one source is confirming and working on more information -- is that it is likely they came to mexico via central america.
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that's a very common route. >> how did they get from syria to here? >> well, the same way that the men who were arrested in honduras arrived -- by plane. those men who were picked up on tuesday, five men, carrying phony greek passports went through several countries, including several in latin america, arriving in honduras. it was believed that if they had gotten through customs there -- they did not -- they would have then go to the next northern city, up through guatemala, into mexico and up to the u.s. border. a very common smuggling route. a very common route that immigrants take to get to the united states. it would require the help of smugglers and it is a dicey, dangerous trip. and that's what officials believe -- at least preliminarily -- these syrians were doing to get to the united states. again, they turned themselves in. >> in both cases. >> no climbing the fence. they turned themselves in. >> what's scary is that the case
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of these five people in honduras that were caught, it was because honduras has a very good working relationship with the united states, including intelligence officials. but they went through other countries not being detected with a fake greek passport. tells you that not all of the places around here really have that same level of scrutiny when it comes to bringing people in. >> right. i think what people in this country ought to be aware of is that the scrutiny at the u.s. border is pretty thorough. and again -- >> if you hand yourself in. >> even if you're caught. >> that's true. >> even if you're caught, you still face that same database. >> problem is a lot of them don't get caught. >> a lot don't get caught and get through. but again, to be clear, these syrians turned themselves in. they are seeking asylum. they want to stay in this country. >> what happens if they're deport sfld deport? if you come in to this country and you are deported back to your country, if these people decide not to stay here, where are they going to get deported
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to? >> that's their biggest argument for asylum. things can change in syria in the year or so it takes for this processing to take place. it is a work in progress but it is their best argument ever for seeking and getting asylum in the united states. you can't send us back. how can you? >> mark potter, thank you very much. isis is just released another propaganda video threatening attacks here in the united states, europe, russia and china. i'm joined now by "washington post" national security correspondent greg miller. greg, great seeing you. so you got a rare look inside the isis propaganda machine speaking with isis defectors. tell me what you found. >> reporter: well, what we found was that this is an army unto itself inside the islamic state and one that is given a great deal of prestige and priority by the organization. so as you said, we met with defectors, including defectors who are now in prison in morocco to try to get a better understanding of how this propaganda mechanism, this apparatus works.
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and i mean it is very tightly controlled and organized within syria and iraq. there are media teams in every district. there's sort of a hierarchy. these cameramen get a month of training upon arrival. they get assignments on slips of paper and there are in almost every district production groups that could be in safe houses or other structures where they're using computers to put together the footage that is generated every day and to the sort of videos that you just referred to. >> are these people from all over the world? what kind of people are we talking about? >> we're talking about a variety. yeah, they are from all over the world. i mean this is part of the reason -- i mean the effectiveness and power of the isis propaganda machine helps to explain why there are 30,000 foreign fighters who have gone to syria since that civil war started. a lot of the media teams are
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heavily foreigners. they are not syrians or iraqis but there are a large number of europeans and the defectors that we talk to said there are at least two or three americans within this group as well, including one editor who does a lot of the sort of behind-the-scenes work on putting together the more polished propaganda videos that they release. >> greg, talk to me about what the united states is doing to counter this propaganda machine? >> this has been a huge struggle for the united states and its allies. we had written a story earlier this year about a state department program that was set up to counter the messaging from the islamic state, and they shut it down earlier this year. it was just sort of -- it's trying to find a formula to be effective in countering this message runs into two problems. one is just the volume. i mean there are thousands of pieces of propaganda released each month by the islamic state, and they have an enormous following on twitter.
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i mean the chaos of the internet then acts as a dispersal mechanism that just spreads this stuff. the state department team had maybe 12 to 20 people trying to put together tweets and videos and stuff like that. they're up against long odds to begin with. but it is really hard for any government sponsored entity to fashion a message that is resonant overseas with those who are susceptible to recruitment by a terrorist group like the islamic state. if you're sitting on -- considering jumping into this fray, are you going to listen to a message that's sponsored by the u.s. government? >> that's a good point. hey, greg, i was interested, you said that some of the folks you spoke to were in jail in morocco. some reports when i was in paris last week were saying that it was maybe moroccan intelligence that tipped off the french intelligence agencies when they found these people at saint-denis. it seems as though morocco is pretty efficient in finding these terrorists. >> morocco has had a big
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problem. they've had a lot of their people, their fighters go to syria, but they're a pretty capable security organization. you're right. so it looks like at least three or four of the attackers in paris were of moroccan decent. they were born and raised in europe but they come from mo moroccan families. some reporting suggests it is the brother who told the french who's in morocco, look, my brother's not back in syria, he's still in europe and you a guys have to find them. >> then transferred that information to the french. interesting, greg. thank you. jason rezaian was the washington post o'tehran bureau whe chief when he was arrested in july 2014. his sentence has not been specified and his family says they cannot confirm the report
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account activity of anybody they deem to be suspicious. so yesterday we heard from the economy minister. he called for several new measures essentially puttingle meat on the bones of a lot of proposals we actually first heard about in january in the wake of the "charlie hebdo" attacks. it includes first and foremost, improving surveillance of rem remittances regardless of their nature, whether or not they are designated as commercial other personal. also strengthening measures to fight trafficking of antiquities and art. we know that islamic state is suspected of profiting from antiquities from historical sites. we know prepaid cards played a role in these attacks last friday. frem french police said the hotels the terrorists stayed in the night before were paid for with prepaid cards so now they want to have less anonymity with those prepaid cards. finally to generally enhance the capacity of authorities' ability to freeze assets of anybody
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connected to terrorism. jose, critical to this, and perhaps most controversially, the economy minister is calling for the europeans to have full access to the data on these swift payments network. you know this is the payment network that controls 90% of payments that take place around the globe and 10,000 banks and more than 200 countries. currently there are two servers, one in the u.s., one in europe and the europeans rely on the u.s. to analyze most of that data. >> olivia sterns in paris, thank you very much. short break and be right back.
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coordinated attacks like we saw in paris, that those attacks may be imminent. we'll have much more on that developing news in a moment. but first, president obama is back in the united states after a nine-day trip to asia. now facing a raging debate over his strategy for defeating isis. that as the president prepares to welcome french president francois hollande to the white house tomorrow and after his remarks yesterday, some say d n downplaying isis. >> they're a bunch of killers with good social media. just this morning, stek jecy of state john kerry defended the president's isis strategy yet again. >> i don't think anybody believes it's happening fast enough and we are escalating our steps. the president even in the last weeks before paris took place made major decisions to put additional people on the ground, special forces, and took
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additional steps, some of which i can't talk about on the line here, but he has already been taking additional steps. >> now this comes in the face of a new national poll showing a majority of americans, 57%, d a disapprove of the president's handling of isis. with democrats and republicans alike criticizing his strategy. >> i don't think the approach is sufficient to the job. i'm concerned that we don't have the time and we don't have years. we need to be aggressive now. >> look, air strikes are great. we're hitting some targets. but air strikes alone are not going to win here. >> i said attack the oil. i've been telling you that, george, for two years. attack the oil. they didn't do it. isis became wealthy with the oil. now they're starting to attack the oil. >> we need to consult our department of defense in terms of who do -- what else do we need. we need to define for them the mission and then we need to say to them what do you need

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