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have to fight isil is to say that we're not afraid. to not elevate them. to somehow buy into their fantasy that they're doing something important. they're a bunch of killers. >> trump talk. a fact check here. the republican front-runner sounding off about waterboarding, mosques and discredited 9/11 rumors. >> i watched when the world trade center came tumbling down and i watched in jersey city, new jersey where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. and isis cubs. we get an inside look at the terror group from some of the youngest former members. >> translator: you will fight, they told us. which war, we asked.
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against the non-believers. the yazidis. >> translator: they told us we would be taken to the battlefield. boys before us had been taken to the battlefield. good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. soldiers are patrolling the streets of belgium, the highest level of security since world war ii. the metro is closed, businesses are shuttered. 21 people were arrested throughout belgium in raids yesterday and overnight, but salah abdeslam, the top fugitive, is still at large. here in the u.s., law enforcement ramping up ahead of the big holiday weekend. joining me with the very latest, nbc's chief global correspondent bill neely, is in brussels. senior white house correspondent chris jansing is in paris. nbc's stephanie gosk is stateside in new york's times square.
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bill neely, first to you. what are we hearing from officials in belgium as they keep fanning out and trying to wrap up this terror cell? >> reporter: yes, good afternoon. it really is extraordinary. we haven't seen armored vehicles and armed troops on the streets of belgium like this since world war ii. the level of security is at its highest. they are still warning of an imminent attack. there were raids overnight and early this morning. 29 in all. 21 people arrested, but no arms found, no explosives found, and the main target, the man who fled from the paris attacks to the brussels area, salah abdeslam, is still on the run. when he was asked today why, when he's being pursued by a thousand police and a thousand troops, abdeslam was in fact still on the run, belgian interior minister said he must have a lot of support here. that, we don't know, but clearly he is still eluding the dragnet.
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his brother went on belgian television to appeal to salah to give himself up, and he suggested that salah had actually pulled out of the paris attacks at the last minute. now, what we do know from a man who was arrested who had driven him to belgium was that salah had been wearing what the man described as a big jacket, leading police to suspect he may be carrying an explosive suicide vest. but the situation here in brussels is really quite extraordinary. remember, this is the headquarters of nato and more than 1,000 nato staff today were told stay at home. it's the virtual capital of the european union, a union of half a billion people and again, a lot of those staff were told stay at home. all eu buildings here guarded by police and troops. but it is as you know also a city from where hundreds of people left to join isis in syria. so people here have every reason
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to truly believe that there could be a threat which still tonight is regarded as imminent. brussels for a third day on virtual lockdown. andrea? >> bill, just one brief follow-up here. i know nato pretty well and nato is a military, primarily a military organization. nato is still not engaged in this. the french have not asked for a nato meeting. i understand because they think they won't get what they are seeking so they are trying to create their own coalition. but nato militarily, this enormous military power right in brussels, is not engaged. >> reporter: that is correct. there is as you know, the united states invoked it after 9/11, there is a right for a nato country if attacked to call on all other nato countries for collective defense, to go essentially to war with a common enemy. france has not asked for that so far. nato has not invoked either chapter 4 or chapter 5.
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but today, the french aircraft carrier charles degaulle was within striking distance of iraq and syria and we understand it did launch the first of what president fro president hollande promises will be many attacks directly on isis targets in iraq and syria. that aircraft carrier has the capacity to triple french air strikes and of course, russia's striking isis in iraq and syria, too. so the fire power after the paris attacks directed on isis has increased enormously. >> thanks so much, bill neely. chris jansing, nbc senior white house correspondent, is in paris where british prime minister david cameron met today with france's president hollande in advance of the meeting at the white house tomorrow with president obama. >> reporter: this is a very critical week, obviously, for president hollande who now finally is seeing some movement in his favor in the polls. he has been very unpopular here
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and he feels that this is the time where they can move toward really pushing this coalition and broadening it so today, meeting with david cameron, who offered more help, including use of a strategic air base in cyprus but the key will come later this week when cameron goes before parliament and will look to expand british air strikes beyond iraq into syria. as you well know, for the last year, he's hesitated to do that, concerned that he might have a repeat of what happened in 2013 when he asked for air power against assad in syria and the house of commons turned him down. so that's step one. step two as you mentioned, traveling to the united states. a meeting in the oval office with president obama, who has made it clear that any major change in strategy by the united states is not in the offing. having said that, one of the key conversations there is going to be about the relationship between the united states and russia, getting russia more involved. the concern on the part of the
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united states among others, one, that now going after isis hasn't always as you well know and that he needs to be able to use this, to leverage this to find a way to get particularly european union countries to relax sanctions that were put in place because of ukraine. so that's going to be a key part of the conversation there. then he's going to go on and talk to putin and merkel. as i said, a critical week for francois hollande and this coalition to fight terror. >> chris jansing, thanks so much. stephanie gosk, the nypd conducted training drills at a closed subway station sunday, including fake terrorists and one shooter wearing a suicide vest clearly influenced by the attacks in paris. >> this is part of a continuing series of exercises. this was planned before the paris events but it has certain paris elements involved in it. what we are doing here today in conjunction with homeland security is testing out new
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technology, ballistics detection, video technology, communications technology, and building into it some of what we have learned from paris. >> so times square is where we find stephanie gosk. stephanie, with the macy's day parade this week and all the other events, the holiday, the travelers, the subways, the train stations, buses, the airports, you can see right from where you are what the strategy will be leading up to this holiday weekend. >> reporter: certainly, andrea. you have plenty of americans feeling a bit rattled after everything in paris and what you have seen certainly here in new york city is an effort by law enforcement to try to calm nerves a bit and also to put on a bit of a show of force. you had this display yesterday, this drill. they have been doing this annually for awhile now but it does come at an opportune time. as you noted, there was an added element. that was the element of a suicide vest in the drill.
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clearly something that came or was inspired by this attack in france. last week, you had the police commissioner bill bratton talking specifically about these suicide vests in active shooter situations. he was extremely concerned about it, because in an active shooter situation, police are going to rush in to a location. if that shooter has a suicide vest, completely changes the dynamic. as for the nerves of the american public, you saw over the weekend a few examples of increased security at a wrestling event in atlanta, you had a couple flights in north america that were grounded because of bomb scares. none of it turned out to be real but that's the kind of thing you expect to see after an attack of this size and as you mentioned, thanksgiving right around the corner. 3.5 million people expected in this city. >> stephanie, we should repeat that jeh johnson and bill bratton on "meet the press" in their comments yesterday in new
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york were saying there is no known threat. that said, the questions we are all asking is wasn't there an intelligence failure before paris, what did they know, when did they know it and how do they know there's no credible threat here at home. >> reporter: that's right. they continue to repeat that. as you say, it is important to repeat it but when you are here in america and you know america is a target, you look at france, you see how this attack seemed to have slipped through their fingers, there are people that come to a city like new york or are traveling, that's the thing that's going to raise some questions. no one wants to be unnecessarily alarmed. as president obama pointed out, no one wants to be controlled by this fear. but they are legitimate questions to ask of our authorities here in the u.s. >> stephanie gosk, thanks so much. thanks for being with us. thanks to chris jansing and bill neely. the pentagon is investigating claims that senior military officers manipulated reports, intelligence reports,
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presented to president obama about the u.s. battle against isis. was centcom trying to downplay the threat? the inspector general is investigating. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski is all over this. i want to ask you two things. first of all, the i.g. investigating cooked intelligence, downplaying intelligence in contrast to what we saw in 2002-2003 when the accusation was they were hyping the intelligence to get us into iraq. secondly, what kinds of military options are open to the president or possibly being considered as president hollande comes here? first on the cooked intelligence. what do we know? >> reporter: well, it would be highly unusual for u.s. military officials to downplay the threat because they are usually trying to inflate the threat to gain more manpower and firepower in any kind of conflict. nevertheless, this is a very serious allegation that force, the inspector general at the defense department, to investigate and essentially what we are hearing is some intel
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analysts claim that the centcom, which actually is in command of all the forces there in iraq, centcom down in florida, took some of their intel and manipulated it, cooked the books, to make it appear that the progress being made by iraqi forces on the ground and u.s. air strikes was more than was actually being achieved, that there was more progress in the fight against isis. now, according to some military officials, this sounds like among the thousands of analysts that it appears there were a handful whose analysis was not taken seriously enough and included in the final report that went up first to the pentagon and then to the white house, but at this time, it's not clear exactly because all of this information remains classified, exactly what the complaint is about.
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clearly, the pentagon thinks it's serious enough to launch this investigation. by the way, the last time this happened, was back in vietnam when the generals kept giving president lyndon johnson the information he wanted to hear. people don't think that's the case here but are looking into it. >> briefly, do you think there are real plans afoot, because secretary kerry alluded to this today in his interview with savannah guthrie on "today" that more is coming. we know president hollande wants more forward-based air traffic controllers, special ops working with the french on the ground in syria. what are you hearing as to any plans that might be under consideration by the president? >> reporter: there's already consideration in planning to increase the number of air strikes and as secretary of defense ashton carter reported, we are going to put, and as the president announced, some special operations forces forward with some of the fighting forces, not in a combat role but again, that's always
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very iffy, because any time you are on the battlefield, you are likely to be drawn into combat. but to put those special operations forces forward first in syria, with the kurdish forces, the most capable fighting force there in the region, and ultimately with some of the iraqi forces. there are also plans to try to pressure the arab allies to become more involved in the fight. in fact, the grand plan would be to have arab forces on the ground in iraq to support the iraqi forces, but that doesn't appear likely any time soon. but clearly, the fight there in iraq and in syria is -- there's minor progress, according to military officials, but one senior official i talked to this morning said there's no real progress, it's still pretty much a stalemate and the idea that this fight is going to end any time soon is years, if not decades away.
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andrea? >> jim miklaszewski, thank you very much. members of the band eagles of death metal who were playing at the bataclan theater on november 13th have given their first interview to vice, and describing what they saw and heard that night. >> several people hid in our dressing room and the killers were able to get in and killed every one of them except for a kid who was hiding under my leather jacket. >> the killers got in your dressing room? >> yeah. >> wow. >> people were playing dead. they were so scared. a great reason why so many were killed is because so many people wouldn't leave their friends. coming up, the isis strategy. is the u.s. doing enough to counter the terror group? senator mark warner joins us next. believe it. at&t and directv are now one. which means you can watch in the house, in a treehouse, or even in miss pepperpie's house. pause in your pjs and hit play during a pb&j. nice!
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they're a bunch of killers with good social media. >> isis is not ten feet tall. what we need to do is not succumb to fear. people need to not panic. >> president obama and secretary kerry today trying to reassure the public that they have a strategy against isis. experts ranging from dianne feinstein to leon panetta suggest that a lot more is needed. i'm joined by senator mark warner, member of the senate intelligence committee. thank you very much for being with us. are we doing enough against isis? >> i think there's more that we could do. for example, taking out raqqah, trying to take out the soil supply lines that have basically financed isil, but remember how complex this is. in the earlier segment we talked about american forces helping the kurds. the kurds are actually not supported by the turks, who are a key player in the region as well.
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we need to make sure isil is taken out yet you've got saudi forces helping syrian refugees or syrian militias whose top priority has been actually taking out assad, not taking out isil. you have the challenge that cameron's got in the uk of actually now trying to rally the british to join this coalition. i do believe post the attack in paris and post the downing of the russian airliner and the attack in beirut, there is a chance now for a combined whole world coalition against this extraordinary threat. >> president obama seems to be focused on not putting big numbers of troops into iraq, into syria, just as his strategy in afghanistan. he has this vision of the middle east that seems to be informed by what happened in iraq and the failures that happened in iraq. understandably. but is that now outdated? do we now have to fight the war
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that we are confronting? >> two things. one, i think it's important that we leave open the option of additional troops but also i think it's important that congress steps up and authorizes the use of military force, something that congress hasn't done to date. it's a little puzzling to me that some of the president's biggest critics have not been willing to say they support authorization of the use of military force. i do think that it's important that this coalition if it is going to include additional boots on the ground, needs to be a worldwide coalition. the idea that this should be america's struggle alone, would actually i think play into the hands of isil and some of the terrorists. we need to see actions of countries in the region. i hope we will be able to see a broader european coalition. they have been until some of these recent attacks, frankly not as active as we would like them to be. and i think there's a possibility as well of russia stepping up its activities. >> at the same time, how concerned are you about the reporting that the inspector
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general is investigating whether centcom understated the success of building and training the iraqi troops and the success of the fight against isis? cooked intelligence once again. >> i think it's important that the inspector general investigate that. you know, the truth is, if your intelligence services, if your military forces aren't speaking truth to power, aren't telling you the whole story, even if the story is not what you want to hear, then policy makers aren't going to be able to make the right choices. >> and donald trump. donald trump reporting, i mean saying that mosques should be under surveillance, that we should reinstitute waterboarding, that syrian refugees are suspect, that there should be some data base, he wouldn't rule out a central data base for muslims and also talking about this completely discredited report that there were thousands, thousands of people in jersey city, muslims is what he's suggesting,
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cheering after the world trade centers came down, that he saw this on television. no one has been able to verify this as far as we can tell and going over our own materials, it did not happen. >> andrea, i think these are extraordinarily irresponsible comments. one of the things that we have been for the most part in this country very lucky that we have not seen domestic radicalization but it has been pointed out, the challenge we face is not only the potential of someone coming into the country and i think one of the biggest vulnerabilities is the so-called visa wafiver program but there's also the challenge of the lone wolf, somebody could be sitting in a basement and getting radicalized. to hear these comments without any kind of factual basis and really playing to the worst fears and prejudices, that could actually lead to i think activities of somebody sitting in one of those basements saying if that's america, i'm going to
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strike out against it. god willing, that won't happen. but i think he and some of these other candidates need to tone that rhetoric down. >> conversely, do you think he's playing into a vacuum of leadership that's been left by the current president and others in the cabinet who have not spoken out forcefully enough after the paris attacks? >> i think we needed to hear a more forceful statement about the barbarity of these attacks and the fact that america is committed to destroying and eradicating isil. i think we have heard that from secretary clinton, we have heard that from many of us in congress on both sides of the aisle. i do think we need to recognize if there was a simple strategy here, when i went through at the top of this segment the challenges of trying to rally all the forces on the ground right now in syria with the complexity between the kurds and the turks, between the saudi groups and those groups that we're supporting, the fact of how we can keep the russians actually focused not simply on
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propping up assad but actually going after isil, this is not an easy neighborhood to get things right, but i do think our top priority has to be the eradication of isil. isil is the threat not only to our homeland but to civilized nations everywhere. >> do we need to hear more from the president of the united states? >> i think we need to hear a strong statement from the president. i think i'm anxious to hear what he and president hollande will say after their meeting as well. >> thank you so much, senator warner. thanks very much for being with us today. >> thank you. up next, the trump effect. more on the presidential candidate's controversial comments.
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thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down, thousands of people were cheering. >> you know, the police say that didn't happen and all those rumors have been on the internet for some time. did you misspeak yesterday? >> i saw it. it was on television. i saw it. it did happen. there were people cheering on the other side of new jersey where you have large arab populations. they were cheering as the world trade center came down. i know it may be not politically correct for you to talk about it. >> donald trump's controversial statements over the last week about muslims and his misstatements about 9/11 have if anything solidified his standing in the polls. what's going on here? joining me for our daily fix, chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and founder of the "washington post" fix blog, "wall street journal" political editor jean cummings and jeremy peters. you have been watching this republican race up close. the last seven days or nine days
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since paris attacks have just been astounding because if anyone had suggested that it would hurt donald trump to have had no experience in national security or military affairs, if anything, his misstatements have helped him. >> right. this is all about rhetoric. trump was never about an ideology, a set of policies. he's rejected that. he said you reporters, you're the only ones who care about policy. trump was always about attitude. he was about anger. i think to the extent that people are afraid about what happened in paris, to the extent that they're worried that it could happen here, they see somebody with trump's bellicosity -- >> they're looking for certainty, not the uncertainty of middle east policy. chris, trump's comments were given four pinocchios. >> you know what, candidly, i don't think donald trump cares in the least.
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it's a remarkable thing that we have more fact-checking than ever before and less facts in campaigns than ever before. donald trump, jeremy is right, in some ways he's creating his own reality. there's an anger, there's an anxiousness, there's a fear that he very expertly plays to. you could say plays on. in which i don't think his supporters are concerned about the fact that we or anyone else, that his claim is not true, which it isn't. they believe that fundamentally, the media is biased, flawed, too politically correct, beholden in some way, and he represents not that. therefore, whatever he says must be true, including when it is denied by members of the media. it's a very odd, to choose a word, situation to be in, i think, but i don't think donald trump spends one second worrying about whether he's been fact-checked and proven wrong or right. >> a tweet from the jersey city
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mayor in response to trump said either at real donald trump has memory issues or willfully distorts the truth, either of which should be concerning for the republican party. jean, you have watched politics for a long time. i said a week ago on "meet the press" that trump could actually benefit from the paris attacks. the big man, strong man theory. arguably, the president's nuanced approach as he travels around asia has perhaps played into that. >> absolutely. i agree with jeremy. trump is personality and right now, he's a big, tough guy and that's what people will turn to. i think if anybody might be in some risk of losing support, it might be dr. carson, because of his very low key persona in addition to his lack of knowledge about foreign affairs. so he may be in a more vulnerable position. but it's also interesting, there was a poll out in the last month
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or so when people were asked have you, trump supporters, have you made up your mind, are you done, and a majority of them said yes. so it may be that he just won't move, as you say solidified his support in both of these recent polls. >> what about the alternatives in the republican party, chris cillizza? marco rubio moving up, ted cruz battling for that, kasich is the only one who actually came out and challenged donald trump on this. ted cruz kind of indicated he hadn't seen evidence of it. chris christie, who has every opportunity as a new jersey governor, could have said that just dn happen. >> i think what we're seeing now is we have got a top tier that is donald trump, ben carson, ted cruz and marco rubio in some order. if you ordered it as if the vote was today, donald trump would be first. i tend to think marco rubio is probably the most likely nominee but those are quite clearly the top four. kasich, christie, jeb bush, those are people who i think are
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the next tier and need a break or two. the reason john kasich is being so aggressive against donald trump is because he's hoping that by engaging trump trump will punch down, elevate kasich and maybe kasich can move up. that's a political calculation based on where he stands. i think a lot of people are slow to realize this but those four i listed, carson, trump, cruz, rubio, that's your top four and we are about to go into thanksgiving, christmas and new year's so my guess is those top four stay where they are at least through january 1st. >> donald trump has a new instagram out today going after hillary clinton who gave a widely praised foreign policy speech on what she would do against isis. it was a lot tougher than what the president has been proposing. here is his counterattack. >> -- including fbi officials --
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[ laughter ] >> i don't know why that's funny. >> jeremy, it's like a halloween scam, right? >> it sounded like a chucky movie. trump, if he really thinks he's going to be a general election candidate against hillary, i don't know that he's there. i still think there's a part of him when you watch him that thinks like i still can't believe this is happening. if trump is, however, the nominee, if itson somebody like rubio i think it's probably a safe bet republicans are going to lose 40 states. >> i think clearly she's engaging them. she never talks about bernie sanders. so trump now is trying to counter with acting like he's the front-runner, too, just bypassing his opponents and going after her. however, his position is not nearly as safe and certain as
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hers appears to be. >> we have to leave it there. meanwhile, a terribly disturbing story out of new orleans. an all-out manhunt under way for the suspect seen in this surveillance video brutally shooting a tulane medical student, a good samaritan, who stopped by risking -- and risked his life stopping to help a woman in trouble. here's nbc's kerry sanders with details. >> reporter: police now have a suspect they are hunting in the vicious shooting of a fourth year tulane medical student. they say the man with the gun seen in this security video is 21-year-old euric cain and authorities have a message for him. >> we know who you are. you need to know that we are going to find you. >> reporter: some say it's a miracle his victim, peter gold, is alive this morning. the fourth year med student seen here stopping his car to help a woman he saw being dragged by an armed man early friday morning. the attacker turns his gun on the good samaritan, demanding money, police say.
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gold says he doesn't have any. >> eyewitnesses say that they heard a man yelling out i don't -- i already told you i don't have any money. they heard a pop. the gentleman shot one time in the stomach. >> reporter: aiming at gold lying wounded on the ground, the attacker appears to pull the trigger again and again, but his gun jams and the shooter flees. >> the victim, peter gold, is improving but is still listed in guarded condition at tulane university medical center. the same hospital where he's been studying medicine for the last four years. sgliemplgts hey, you forgot the milk!
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let me tell you, the people that are involved in those mosques, they know who the bad ones are and know who the good ones are, but they don't talk. we have to surveil the mosques. hey, look, i don't want to close up mosques. but things have to happen where you have got to use strong measures or you're going to see buildings coming down all over new york city and elsewhere. >> donald trump this weekend on mosques after refusing to rule out a national data base for muslims and repeated controversial comments about syrian refugees. democratic congressman andre carson serves on the intelligence committee and joins me now. congressman, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for being with us. i don't even know where to start. your reaction to donald trump? >> well, i think, look, mr. trump is a smart man. i have met mr. trump before. i can tell you this. he's a ring master of sorts and he knows what kinds of things to say that will hit the right
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buttons with his constituency. i think we are living in a time quite frankly where politicians or those seeking office are rewarded for making provocative statements. he is up in the polls and the more provocative he comes, the more of a gadfly he appears to be, the more reinforcement he gets from his focus group numbers, poll numbers and cross tabs but next year, i think you will see his popularity wane because the american people are looking for something more. it is true that mr. trump presents himself to be a bold and very decisive leader. he doesn't deal with the nuances to your earlier point. but the facts are clear. people are anxious, there's a great deal of disillusionment and anxiety as it relates to the global terror threat. so to have someone who speaks boldly, though erroneously, but speaks boldly, is quite attractive to many voters. >> how are people whom you know in your community at home, how are they reacting to this, to
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being painted with this terror brush and being demonized this way? what is the effect on children? >> i just had a meeting with some folks on saturday. they were of pakistani descent, syrian descent, americans, white, black, who happen to be muslim. they are deeply concerned. these folks were engineers, physicians, lawyers, and police officers, just wanting to make positive contributions to society as they have done for decades, as their families have done for decades. naturally there's a deep sense of despair because they, too, are concerned about the global terror threat that we all are facing. they were asking a pertinent question, what can we do to help. what can we do to help. so i along with congressman keith ellison have been calling on some of our congressional colleagues to reach out to local mosques. i had a meeting recently with the fbi and we talked about ways
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in which the countering violent extremism strategy could be improved and tweaked and making sure the relationship with the muslim community isn't transactional, that it's ongoing, honest and up front. >> what do you say to your own governor mike pence on the subject of syrian refugees? >> mike pence and i served in congress, he and i used to go to lunch together. i think that governor pence, while he is the chief executive of the state of indiana, has a duty to protect hoosiers. however, governor pence must understand because he is the descendent of immigrants that our families are built on the backs of descendents. when you think about that, governor pence has to know there are scores of muslims who are in our intelligence services, even our law enforcement communities, who are helping to keep our country safe. i come from indiana's department
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of homeland security intelligence fusion center. i think i'm the only member of congress who has worked in a fusion center. as a muslim, i can tell you that muslims are on the front line in helping to push back a threat that they, too, see as detrimental to our society. >> congressman andre carson, thank you very much for joining us from indiana today. up next, the cubs of isis. we hear from some of the youngest members of isis after they escaped the clutches of the terror group. this is more than just a town. this is our home. and small business saturday... is more than just a day. it's our day... to shop small at the places we love... with the people we love. for stuff we can't get anywhere else. and food that tastes like home. because the money we spend here... can help keep our town growing. this saturday is small business saturday, let's all shop small. for the neighborhood, the town, the home we love. shop small this saturday. but i think women would agree... watching football together is great...
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the victims of isis are spread across continents from the attacks we saw in paris to the men, women and children living in the chaos created by the militant group in the middle east. we spoke with two young boys who experienced the horrors of the terror group first-hand. >> reporter: isis calls them cubs of the caliphate. the next generation of jihadis, boys paraded in front of the camera for propaganda.
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this is you? 14-year-old raqib was taken from his family and taught to fight and hate. >> translator: you will fight, they told us. which war, we asked. against the non-believers, the yazidis. >> reporter: yazidis, members of an ancient religion isis considers impure. the terror group attacked their villages last year, separating the women and children, taking hundreds of young boys to train as soldiers. which one is yazidi? >> translator: this one. >> reporter: he was held for a year, saying he was taught arabic and isis' version of islam and how to use a weapon. when he got something wrong -- >> translator: they tied both of my feet with the straps of an ak-47 and lifted me upside down. they then hit the soles of my feel with a rubber hose. >> reporter: he says they were forced to watch a video of each new beheading or execution. >> translator: they made us
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watch on a laptop. a man asking a yazidi boy to convert to islam but he refused. >> reporter: he says the boy was murdered. yazidi activist kiter has interviewed dozens of boys and says the strategy is clear. >> it is a process to finish the yazidis from the area. >> reporter: genocide. >> exactly. >> reporter: 12-year-old rayon was also brought to the isis camp. >> translator: they told us we would be taken to the battlefield, boys before us had been taken to the battlefield. >> reporter: he ran away after just two days. still, his father says he had changed. >> translator: when i told him to do something, he did not want to do, he would threaten to run back to isis. >> reporter: more than 900 yazidi children, boys and girls, have escaped the terror group. they are living in tents, going to school, learning to play again. but it's hard. his home is gone, his father is
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france's president hollande is going to be meeting with president obama tomorrow. what can we expect from this visit? kelly o'donnell joins me from the white house. good to see you. hollande wants a more proactive military response. so far the president has been reluctant to acknowledge or go along with this. do you see any give in the white house position? >> reporter: i think this is an opportunity to go beyond the phone calls that president obama and president hollande have had since the paris attacks.
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that one-on-one personal connection here in the oval office bringing his concerns right to the white house and the united states. in that conversation, will the president of france be able to secure any more support from president obama, or be able to kind of figure out a strategy, especially when it comes to russia and some of the conflicting priorities and agendas of these countries that are all kind of tackling this isis issue at the same time. so hollande is trying to show strength for his own people at home and coming to the white house gives him an opportunity to make that sell to president obama who as you point out, we have seen a real reluctance for him to step up the u.s. commitment beyond the kind of overfly and in some of the resources that have been put through. not the kind of step-up that france would like to see. perhaps that personal diplomacy can make a difference. >> and also figure out a joint approach to vladimir putin, who hollande will see two days later. thank you so much. a busy day at the white house.
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26-year-old salah abdeslam, perhaps europe's most wanted man, wanted for his connection to the paris attacks and the loss of 130 people. nbc's claudio lavanga joins me from brussels, belgium. we are expecting a news conference from the belgian prime minister at any moment. we had one last night where he talked about what it meant for this city to be on lockdown. what are the expectations about this latest conference? >> reporter: we have been waiting for about three hours for that press conference to start. obviously there is very important information to share. literally ten minutes ago the federal prosecution office in the meantime issued a statement in which they said that one of the 21 people that have been arrested during these 29 raids since last night has been charged with participating to a terrorist organization, in particular with clear links to the paris attacks. so that's very important developments there. another thing that this statement is saying is


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