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♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. good day. i'm kate snow. here's what's happening right now on msnbc live. president obama and french president hollande presenting a united font on the war against isis as authorities issued an alert for yet another suspect in the paris attacks. they say he's dangerous and likely armed. a russian jet shot out of the sky by turkish warplanes. vladimir putin calling it a stab in the back. president obama says the two nations should avoid an escalation. let's begin this hour in paris where the french prosecutor shared new details this afternoon about the massacre ten days ago including
name of another man sought now by police. let's get right to chris jansing in paris with more on the story. chris? >> reporter: extraordinary amount of information, kate, out of that press conference today by the french prosecutor. let's start with the second suspect the tar debt of a manhunt. mohammed abrini, he was driving a car that salah abdeslam was in two days before the attacks, spotted north of paris at a gas station and today released a bunch of surveillance video because they're asking for the public's help. does anyone have any information about him? can anyone help to place him in the days since the attack? as you mentioned, both of these men considered probably armed and dangerous. last seen in an rennault clio at that gas station. now, there are a lot more information at that press conference today.
including about the saint-denis assault where the master mind abdelhamid abaaoud was killed. by killing abaaoud and the other man who was in that apartment, you'll ream, three people were killed, a woman and two men, police are saying that those two men had a plan later that day with suicide vests to detonate. that day and the next day, in the business district here in paris. so they believe that by doing that raid that went on for even the hours in saint-denis they thwarted ho ee eed potentially attacks. the landlord said he didn't know they were terrorists. he went before a judge today, the last day to legally hold him. he's been charged with involvement in a criminal terrorist organization. so that indictment handed down today, as well. meantime, some fascinating
details about the master mind of this. police now revealing that those cafes and restaurants shot up, one of them right down the street, maybe a five-minute walk from from i'm sitting and an american killed in the attacks was at that restaurant. they say he is among the people who opened fire but then chillingly tracking his cell phone, they know that later on that night he went back to those cafes to that restaurant and also to the bataclan where 89 people were killed, essentially checking out the scene of the devastation that he and other members of isis had wrought. kate? >> just to be clear and so much information coming out of that press conference, one of the things you just said was that if they had not gone in and raided that apartment in saint-denis outside of paris you and i were there last wednesday morning, they might have had another attack? there might have been another attack that very day? >> reporter: they have information they say that
abaaoud and the other man who was killed in the saint-denis raid, yes, you and i were here together, kate, that they had plans to launch attacks in the business district here. now, i should tell you that several days ago there were reports of this in the french media that we were not able to confirm. this is the first time we have heard that there were other very specific attacks planned and that these attacks would have been pulled off later that day and the next day with those suicide vests, kate. >> all right. chris, keeping track of all of this developing news in paris, thanks so much. turning back here at the white house, just a short time ago, president obama and the french president hollande held a joint news conference addressing their plans to fight isis and ramp up efforts to stop the flow of terrorists. joining me with more on that part of the story is nbc's kelly o'donnell at the white house for us. zplil. >> reporter: good to be with you, kate. this was a combination of tour
of the country and the resolve to try to do more against isis and by making this personal visit bringing a sense of personal diplomacy to try to encourage president obama to stand with him in a way to step it up even beyond the u.s. contribution as it is now. they talked about the threat of isis as something that can be tackled and conquered but they also talked about the issues with russia and, of course, we know that vladimir putin will be meeting with hollande in just a matter of days and both leaders expressed concern about rush why's involvement when they're also spending a lot of their military might against syrian opposition forces that are considered moderate. not going after isis. so the president today wanted to try to put a sense of what's at stake and also try to offer some reassurance in what he said in the east room. >> this barbaric terrorist group, isil, or daesh, and its
murderous ideology pose a serious threat to all of us. it cannot be tolerated. it must be destroyed. and we must do it together. this is the unity of purpose that brings us here today. >> reporter: and, kate, you get a sense of how they're trying to put some of that pressure on not only those who are fearful about what isis could do in terms of trying to offer some of the reassurances but also president hollande saying he's willing to take a message to moscow to say to vladimir putin they would welcome more russian involvement if it's more focused on dealing with isis and not trying to lift up assad in syria so that that was part of it. and then even more personally, i think you probably noted, kate, when president obama talked about his own family connection to having visited france and that a photo of the president and first lady is in their room to try to make that personal connection that there are many
americans who feel a affectin a or traveled to france and feel that sense of solidarity. kate? >> kelly, he said it was a photo of he and the first lady kissing in france and the feeling of warmth on that trip. kelly o'donnell at the white house, thanks so much. i want to bring in former senior adviser and visiting fellow at the brooking institution, philippe laquer. thank you for being with us today. >> my pleasure. >> did president hollande get what he needed today? >> i think your report captured paris on one hand and washington on the other hand. a diplomatic solution is what we're looking for at the moment and i think the two president had a clear exchange about this. now in terms of military presence, obviously, i'm sure america could do more. i'm sure russia could do more targeting isis as opposed to the
other opposition groups and it was a moment of solidarity today. >> they seem to be unified in the fight of isis but same time today you have the turkish downing of this russian jet over what they said when it was over turkish airspace. how does that complicate the diplomacy here? >> it's unfortunate. russia flying on the turkish border. and that's not going to help president hollande's visit to moscow two days from now but i don't think it changes the fundamental situation which is, you know, we need to sit around the table. i mean, we the main players and the main nations of the free world sort to speak. you know, we need to discuss the future of syria. and the russians cannot be completely excluded from that. as long as they strike the right targets and as long as they're prepared to commit for the future of syria, according to
the vienna process. >> as someone who used to work with the french defense ministry, how does president hollande convince vladimir putin to listen and change strategy? >> well, i think putin, you know, he is a man, doing a bargain here. you know, i mean, the problem is there's ukraine, crimea and he knows that the part of the public opinion in europe is quite divided about this but as far as the french, you know, and the americans and the few others that president hollande would be meeting this week, unified what i said, committing themselves for the future of syria, you know, as a new regime, as it was a democratic government as long as syria is -- sorry, russia committed to vstrike the isis controlled zones russia can be a player. >> thank you so much for your perspective.
let's get to breaking news now out of tunisia. we're receiving reports of a bus explosion that killed at least 12 people in the capitalty of tunis. let's go to joe fryer in london monitoring the story in tunisia. joe? >> reporter: the president of tunisia declared a state of emergency and a curfew after what he's calling a terrorist attack. and a televised address, the president reportedly said the country at war with terrorism and associated press reporting 12 people killed and at least 16 injured in the attack. the president was not on the bus but officials say some type of explosion hit the vehicle carrying members of the presidential guard. that's an elite security force that only protects the president. it happened on a busy tree-lined street in rush hour in the capital city of tunis. still no official confirmation of whether it was a bomb or some other type of explosive and many shocked wandering how any attacker gets close enough to a bus that's filled with so much
presidential security. ten days ago authorities raised the security level in tunis. already this year, the country is hit by two major deadly attacks killing 60 in all. the first one in march. gunmen killed more than 20 tourists at a popular museum. in june, a gunman opened fire on a beach killing 38 people, the islamic state claimed responsibility for both of those attacks. >> thank you so much. turkey says it shot down a russian warplane. as we were discussing. they say it was in turkish airspace. there's more to that story and concerns now about escalating tension between those two nations. state department issues a travel warning for u.s. citizens this holiday season. >> those who want to harm us, our actions have shown that we have too much resolve and too much character.
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we're following breaking news out of turkey where earlier today turkish fighter jets shot down a russian warplane. turkey said it violated the airspace but russia said it was in syrian airspace. nato held a meeting about the incident today saying they believe the russian jet did violate turkey's airspace. president obama addressed the situation this afternoon. >> turkey, like every country, has a right to defend its territory and its airspace. i think it's very important right now for us to make sure that both the russians and the turks are talking to each other,
find out exactly what happened. and take measures to discourage any kind of escalation. >> the president also said it's too soon to draw any conclusions about exactly what happened. let's turn to nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel covering the story from istanbul. that is complicated scene. what do we know about why that plane went down? >> reporter: well, it appear that is the russian plane did violate turkish airspace. the question is, was that enough? did that warrant the turks scrambling f-16s and firing on the russian jet and bringing it down when that's clear lay provocative move, especially in this current climate when there are calls all over the world including in this country for greater international cohesion, for more collective action? what u.s. military officials say is that the russian jet entered turkish airspace but only
briefly. maybe even just for seconds, in fact, and then continued along its path into syria. russia says that it was on a counter terrorism mission, it is bombing extremists inside syria. but that part of syria where the russian planes were operating is not an area where isis is known to operate. instead, and this is where it's complicated, in an area of rebel groups are strong, oppose the regime of bashar al assad and rebel group that is are by and large anti-turkish so turkey complained repeatedly about russia bombing this particular set of turkish ethnic turks who are in syria. turkey's even said that it was a red line and then similarly when there seems to be a relatively minor provocation you have turkey taking an agresive action against the russian planes.
most people i'm speaking to including u.s. military officials think that's a key dynamic to focus on, the why. and they think it was mostly because of the potential target that russia was striking, not that it was just merely a violation, a very brief violation of turkish airspace. >> richard, two pilots on board that plane. do we know where they are or how they are? >> reporter: one of them appears to be dead. russia confirmed that a pilot was dead. we have spoken to a rebel group that posted a video showing the pie lot's body. the rebel group says it's still in possession of the body. there have been some conflicting stories about exactly how he died. initially, earlier today, when we spoke to the same rebel group they said their fighters shot the pilot and killed the pilot as he was descending in the parachute and then a short while ago the group seems to have changed its story saying that
suddenly this rebel's -- these rebels don't know how he died and just landed on the ground and was already dead. so they seem to be backing away from the claim that they shot him as he was dangling from his parachute. the other pilot's fate remains unknown at this stage. but a rescue helicopter that was sent in to search for the remains and that other pilot whose whereabouts and fate is unknown was also attacked by syrian rebels and russia says that one member of the rescue crew was also killed and the rest were recovered safely. >> all right. richard, thanks so much. let's bring in chris harmer. a retired navy commander himself. good to see you, sir. >> pleasure to be with you. thank you for having me today. >> a retired navy pilot. you spent three years working nato strategic planning issues.
you know that area, that airspace that we're talking about. is it possible that a russian plane veers into turkish airspace? >> i think it was not trolling turkish airspace and numerous violations of airspace by other russian aircraft. when they came into this operation in syria, they needed to know how to push the turks off of the turkish-syrian border. where they're bombing is on the border with turkey. almost impossible to conduct an effective close air support campaign there unless you have freedom to maneuver. all along russian aircraft violating turkish airspace, trolling to see what the reaction would be and the fact that the turks shot down this russian aircraft for a very momentarily violation today indicates to me that this was a preplanned response by the turks. this was not a spur of the
moment decision. they knew that they were going the shoot down a russian aircraft at some point. and i think their purpose behind that was to force nato and the united states to back up turkey. right now, turkey feels a little bit isolated internationally. they feel like they're bearing the brunt of the spillover from the syrian civil war an they want us, they want nato, to back them up forcely. i think that's why they did this. >> nato had a meeting just this afternoon where they said they support turkey as a member, as a nato state. putin on the other hand called the incident a stab in the back by terrorist helpers. those were his words. the president, president obama, is saying let's not let this escalate. how do you avoid escalation with language like that? >> i think it is pretty easy. i feel better about this than nine hours ago. when i first heard that turkey shot down a russian aircraft, i thought there's all kind of es ka la tori on-ramps here. once i got a chance to think about it, i realized, okay,
russia has a thin force there in syria. maybe 5,000 people max. they got maybe 35 aircraft there. they really are not in a position to tangle with turkey and russia doesn't have the bandwidth to take on nato and the united states. you think about the russian military in the cold war. this is a near peer competitor of nato and the united states. today the russian military is far smaller, far less equipped than 25 years ago. they're acting forcefully because they have the will act forcefully. they don't have the mass, the substance to go head to head to nato. i think russia backs down. i think turkey comes out as the winner from a strategic perspective. i don't see it's ka lating past today. >> chris, thank you for your perspective. appreciate you being with us. >> thank you. coming up, nearly 47 million americans traveling this week for thanksgiving. just as the state department issues a travel alert for u.s. citizens. also your thanksgiving travel forecast coming up. ideas are scary. they come into this world ugly and messy.
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overnight the u.s. state department issued a worldwide travel alert for u.s. citizens as millions of people, of course, prepare for thanksgiving day travel and u.s. officials sending an alert to local police agencies, as well, to be on the lookout for possible copycat attacks of paris attacks here at home. nbc's tom costello covers aviation in washington and joins me now with more. i want to ask you about a couple of things if i can. what do we know about the new warning to law enforcement? >> pete williams is working this with the fbi and homeland security sources and there's nothing out there right now that is a specific threat. what this really is, is telling police departments across the country, be vigilant, watching for any potential problems. really, the concern here as we have been reporting for weeks is the possibility of somebody, a local, radicalized by isis propaganda and deciding that he
or she might act on it. again, they have no reason to believe there's an imminent threat. just the fbi saying to law enforcement agencies keep your guard up and be on the watch because we are in this heightened state of alert worldwide. >> tom, with the news of paris, i want to play something that president obama said this afternoon. you cover aviation for us. so this is what he focused on twice in the press conference today. president obama talked about monitoring airline passengers. >> i'm calling on the european union to finally implement the agreement long in the works to require airlines to share passenger information so we can do more to stop foreign terrorist fighters fro entering our countries undetected. >> tom, i don't know, i heard this and thought don't we monitor people coming in from foreign airlines? >> we do. anybody who comes in must be -- is checked against the u.s. terror watch list, that database, supposed to happen
before the plane leaves foreign soil. fit's a flight from germany, before the flight leave it is tarmac, that information is supposed to have been checked against the terror watch list. the concern of some u.s. officials is that the data that they're being given by the europeans isn't always as complete and as full as they get from u.s. airlines. in other words, if it's german national who books his or her flight regularly through a travel agency and may have in the past had a link with somebody who's suspicious, u.s. authorities would like to know that. they want more data, more full information about everybody who comes over. the europeans because of privacy laws that they have there really kind of provide the minimum. the u.s. would like to see more data. it is not a matter of they're not getting anything. they are. they just want more. >> okay. thanks so much, tom costello, appreciate it. >> you bet. nearly 47 million people expected to travel this thanksgiving weekend. and snow and frigid temperatures are already causing problems in
the parts of the country. wendy wofolk live for us in suburban chicago. hi, wendy. >> reporter: hey, kate. how are you this afternoon? the sun is deceiving and still chilly out here in late november, for chicago. as you mentioned, aaaa already estimating that 47 million people will be traveling on this busy holiday week and that's more than we have seen since the recession. as you can see behind me, traffic is starting to pick up on the tollway and whether the roadways or airways, travelers have a lot to be thankful for. the national average for gas, $2.15, lowest price in more than 5 years. good news. lower crude oil prices and more gas from these regional refineries is what we have to thank for that perfect set-up for these holiday travelers and airline passengers also have a treat, as well. the lowest prices we have seen in the past five years. according to orbitz down 9% just
from last year. as tom costello just reported, the new state department worldwide travel alert is also going to cause longer security lines in those airports but as always, we always talk about it, i hate to mention a cliche you probably said numerous times over your career. kate, you got to pack your patience. live near o'hare international airport, back to you. >> patience is a virtue. okay. wendy, thanks so much. up next, a chicago police officer charged with first-degree murder. accused of shooting a 17-year-old teenager 16 times. k. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. but i think women would agree... watching football together is great... huddling with their man after the game is nice too. the thing is, about half of men over 40 have some degree of erectile dysfunction.
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it was all caught on police dash cam video that will likely be made public tomorrow after a judge ordered police to release it. nbc's morgan radford covering the story for us in chicago. morgan? >> reporter: kate, we are standing outside of the courthouse where 37-year-old officer jason vandyke was charged with first-degree murder. that was just inside at the bond hearing earlier today and walked in with his hands behind his become and didn't say a single word. the prosecutor, however, had a lot to say, specifically about that dash cam video that is expected to be released tomorrow. the state's attorney said that in that dash cam video, 14 seconds between the first shot and the last shot that was fired by officer vandyke and within those 14 seconds 13 of those seconds laquan mcdonald on the ground. take a listen to what the state's attorney had to say. >> officer vandyke was on the scene for less than 30 seconds
before he started shooting. in addition to the fact that all evidence indicate that is he began shooting approximately six seconds after getting out of his vehicle. and analysis of the video establishes that 14 to 15 seconds passed from the time the defendant fired his first shot to clear visual evidence of a final shot. for approximately 13 of those seconds laquan was lying on the ground. >> reporter: police officers say that laquan mcdonald lunged towards officer vandyke with a knife. however, the family aof mcdonal said that's not the case an moving away from the police officers on the ground and already been shot by vandyke. again, two of those shots were fired while he was standing. the rest while he was on the ground, kate. >> all right. morgan radford, thank you so much. msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber is here with more. you have been following this for
a while, ari. the fight over whether to release the tape an now the indictment. >> that's right. i've been following it a tn people of chicago here. basically, this is a case where the underlying video is prosecutor said today has been held by the prosecution. they have known about it. what we learned is basically they say they have been doing a joint inquiry with the federal government to get to the bottom of it and today we're seeing the prosecutor admit she basically rushed out this indictment and announcement to beat the public release of the video. that is video that the mayor of chicago rahm emanuel said it's terrible, horrific and yet he fought the release this whole year. a lot of open questions in chicago. another thing i just want to flag here coming out of this new material of the prosecutor's office saying not only 13 seconds on the ground, so most of these shots down, but with 8 officers on the scene, only 1 fired. again, the -- >> only one officer. >> one officer that's indicted
on first-degree murder. you have seven other officers including four on the scene who made their own threat assessment, not to fire, not to use any deadly force. let alone 16 rounds. >> why does it take one year? i mean, you mentioned the pressure of tomorrow, the release of the videotape and so she's sort of admitted, the prosecutor, she went ahead today with the charges but still, why did it take a year to look through that tape and decide to indict? >> i think that's the big question, the first question in the press conference today. we didn't hear a good answer from prosecutor alvarez. she would like to be slow and right than fast and wrong and a cited the complexity of police investigations. there's rules of police the benefit of the doubt when they do use force and we know they have hard jobs. they face a lot of risk but not only that but also that their statements carefully organized because you can't use police statements done in the process of their work to then turn around against them. that's a good rule that
prosecutors and lawyers agree on because police need to be able to do their jobs at work. >> sure. >> i don't really think, though, to give you my view locking at what she said i don't think the reasons normal account for a year delay. and i don't think she did herself the prosecutor any favors by basically admitting that she rushed this announcement to beat the video tomorrow and raising a question of everyone wondering in chicago and beyond, what is on this video that was so terrible, so horrific beyond the paper description we have that made this prosecutor feel she did have to rush out the announcement? now again, the idea that you jump out of a car and within 30 seconds unload 16 rounds and most of them you unload while the person's on the ground and then according to the prosecutor you do that and then you go to reload? that's what he told and other officers stopped him. i want to mention this officer entitled to the presumption of innocence. they deny the charges. they want to fight this in court and see the other side of this story over time in the case. >> of course. tomorrow, though, on the day before thanksgiving, we'll probably see this videos.
>> under court order, the deadline tomorrow. >> all right. thanks so much. also developing news today out of minneapolis. police say they have made an arrest in the shooting of five people near a protest yesterday. according to reports, a 23-year-old white male has been taken into custody for opening fire on a black lives matter protest outside of minneapolis police station. the victims were taken to a hospital with nonlife threatening injuries. demonstrators have been inside the minneapolis police department's 4th precinct to protest the shooting of a 24-year-old earlier this month. with more on this developing story, i'm joined by tremain lee. now yet another story. i wasn't familiar with the ongoing protests in minneapolis and now someone at the protest is a target. >> what's interesting is on the eve, the one-year anniversary, when darren wilson was found not indicted by a grand jury in st.
louis, five protesters shot by a group of antagonist perhaps white supremacists and the minneapolis police arrested a second individual. a 32-year-old hispanic man. so now two of the three people they're looking for in custody. i have talked to activists concerned. they have been concerned all the while because there have been threats against them. there have been some derogatory insults and chanting and counter protest. last night culminated in violence. >> a second arrest today. >> that's right. >> his tpanic man. >> that's right. >> not all of those involved in the shooting are white. >> it's unclear if he identifies as white male or not. >> like the case in chicago, police do have video of this initial incident, right? >> that's right. unlike the chicago case and dash cam video, this is video from different witnesses but they have said all along that, one, not releasing video until the criminal investigation is over
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thousands of people, thousands and thousands of people. but the media was going crazy. they were having a field day. and one of my people came in. mr. trump, i have a story in "the washington post." so "the washington post." "the washington post." how good is that, right? that's good. because they do us no favors. >> nbc's katy tur standing by in myrtle beach, south carolina, where trump will hold a rally in a few hours and referring to "the washington post" there and referring to as the basis for the story that he keeps telling, right? >> reporter: yeah. that's what he is using and said that there are hundreds of people that have been tweeting him telling him that they saw it, too. he's using "the washington post" by saying and "the washington post" says excuse me that a number of people allegedly detained for a ledgedly throwing tailgate parties and doesn't mean confirmed celebrating and
donald trump using that to say it's confirmed and reported and did see thousands of people celebrating in the streets. i pushed him on this pretty hard yesterday over the phone and adamant he saw it. i said could you be conflating palestinians celebrating in gaza after 9/11 with celebrations you could have thought you saw in new jersey? and he said, no, he believes that he did see it and as we have been reporting that he told me he has the world's greatest memory. so far, it doesn't really seem to matter to supporters whether or not his statements are rooted in fact. they say that everybody exaggerates. it's human nature and they do like donald trump. they like that he is speaking to them. same thing i keep telling you guys over and over again. his supporters don't necessarily seem to care what he says. the content almost doesn't matter. it's how he's saying it and the fact he's speaking to them and speaking in their language and showing them and he's proving to them essentially that he's going to be able to stand up for them if he's able to get into
washington. >> katy, can we play a bit of a new ad out today from john kasich, another republican, really strongly worded ad against donald trump accusing him of dangerous rhetoric? let's take a look. >> and you might not care if donald trump says he's going the round up all of the hispanic immigrants because you're not one. and you might not care if donald trump says it's okay to rough up black protesters because you're not one. think about this. if he keeps going and he actually becomes president, he might just get around to you. >> katy, there's no love lost. >> reporter: not a very -- >> go ahead. >> no, no. i'm sorry. not a very subtle comparison to a poem about the nazis and the holocaust and seeing her is donald trump is invoking somewhat people are calling fearmongering or even some nazi rhetoric saying there should be
a muslim database. kasich hitting him back on the very same idea and not necessarily coming for you right now but he could come for you later. and it's some strong language, strong imagery out of the campaign right now. >> and just one last question, katy. there's been some focus on violence at recent rallies. tell me about that and tell me what you expect tonight. >> reporter: there was a clash at a rally in alabama with a black lives matter protester. he was taken to the ground and kicked and punched according to reporters who saw it. and there is some video that does show that. he was dragged out. the supporters at the rally said he was disturbing things. trump said he was disturbing things. we have seen a number of people get aggressive at his rallies and trump does rile them up. i'll say that not everybody that comes to a trump event is an aggressive person. their not all bad people. there are a lot of reasonable people who don't condone this sort of thing but there is sort of a mob mentality that does
take over with protesters that they feel are encroaching on their territory. >> katy tur out on the trail with donald trump, thank you. a new poll out of iowa today shows donald trump retaining his lead but the big story out of the poll, ted cruz who surged 13 points in the hawkeye state in a month. msnbc's steve kornacki with more on that part of it. steve? >> big developments here actually in iowa. let's show you. you say ted cruz up 13 points. since -- over the last month, more than doubled support and look at what that does. moved cruz into second place, basically 2 points behind donald trump right now. in iowa. trump also you can see up 5 points. since the last quinnipiac poll in iowa. other big development and right here is ben carson look at this. in just the last month, he's lost 10 points. he's lost nearly a third of his support in iowa. he is down to third place. a few weeks ago, we were talking
about how ben carson was overtaking donald trump. positioned to maybe win i with and now down to third and ted cruz is moving. what is happening and drive a l. if you break it down among evangelical voters, they're a big part of the republican universe in iowa. they are changing their loyalties. a month ago, they were squarely behind ben carson. he had more than a third of their support. he's lost 12 points with them in the last month. and all of that support and a little more, you can see, has gone to ted cruz. ted cruz now slightly, he is the choice of evangelical voters in iowa. that's why ted cruz is surging out there. also look at the issue of foreign policy, obviously taking center stage in the wake of the paris attacks. you ask who is best equipped to deal with foreign policy? they say ted cruz. ben carson doesn't even rate when you ask about foreign policy. >> so this is iowa.
what about new hampshire? is it possible ted cruz could make a run like that in new hampshire? it's such a different place. >> that's the question, does it springboard to new hampshire if he wins in iowa? that's the key difference. so in iowa in 2012, the last time there was a caucus there, nearly 60%, it was 27% of all caucus-goers were evangelicals. in new hampshire, this is one of the most secular states in the country. in 2012, evangelicals, just 22%. so the people cruz is building the surge on, they're not nearly as numerous in new hampshire as they are in iowa. >> a lot of writing today about his ground game and how organized he is. >> and people are starting to see this. he's definitely having a moment here. >> steve, thanks so much. stay with msnbc live. more ahead right after a quick break. meant a lot to him... yes, ge makes powerful machines. but i'll be writing the code
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all held as isis slaves, beaten and raped. some as young as 10 years old. >> those terrorists buying and selling the yazidi girls, sometimes by $100, sometimes by one cigarette, and nobody do anything for them. >> when isis trapped the yazidi people on a mountain last year -- [ speaking foreign language ] >> she was one of two yazidi lawmakers who cried out for help in the iraqi parliament. a week later, she nearly died on an aid mission when her helicopter crashed. ov a year later, the crisis isn't over. their religion made them a target. hundreds of men have been killed. teenage boys disappeared. more than 2,000 yazidi women and girls are still missing, held captive by isis.
jillian escaped two months ago with her 9-year-old sister, but had to leave another sister behind. >> translator: my little sister is held captive. isis are asking for 25 to $30,000 for her freedom. >> she's bringing them back to their families with a small underground network, one by one. >> when i go back to my home, i'm thinking about those people and why i'm crying every day. >> the world, she says, has forgotten about the yazidis. >> all of them support me. yes, you are right, but nothing happen. >> at the yazidis' holiest temple, she prays for it to end. her fight has put her at the top of the isis hit list. >> are you afraid at all?
>> no. >> maybe a little bit? [ laughter ] >> but she told me she can't think about herself when so many still need help. >> when i see all those children around me, all of them are looking for me to give something for them, to give a hope for them. >> one woman, carrying the weight of an entire people on her shoulders. kelly cobiella, nbc news, northern iraq. >> there's much more ahead on msnbc live. at the top of the next hour, a new suspect named in the investigation of the attacks in france. at planters we know how to throw a remarkable holiday party. just serve classy snacks and be a gracious host, no matter who shows up. [cricket sound] richard. didn't think you were going to make it. hey sorry about last weekend, i don't know what got into me.
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and an international manhunt now for a second man suspected to have been involved in the original attacks. nbc's chris jansing joins us now from paris. chris, good evening. >> good evening, kate, his name is mohammed abreeny. they released a bunch of photos. this is at a gas station another of paris. but in the car that he was driving, salah abdeslam. he is the most wanted person in europe. the target of a huge manhunt, more than a thousand police in belgium alone have been looking for him. they thought they had a sighting of him in germany, that turned out not to be true. but these two believed to be core members who were part of the planning that killed 130 people here in paris. the paris prosecutor is asking for the public's help, if they
see either of them or know anything about them. in the meantime, this terrifying revelation that another attack was planned by the mastermind of the attacks, that when they were in saint-denis, and you know there was that huge raid, because you were here. spend seven hours, more than 100 police officers, three people inside an apartment were killed. well, had they not been, according to the paris prosecutor, later that night and the next day, they were planning to take their suicide vests to the business district of paris and to wreak more havoc than they already had. >> chris, thanks so much for keeping on top of that. i also want to go to brussels, the other side of the story, and the manhunt continues in brussels as well. that's where we find nbc's
claudio claud claudio lavanga. >> tomorrow finally the subway system will re-open with a heavy police presence. 200 police officers will stand guard at train stations and subway stations and on the trains and also 160 schools across the city will also re-open. the number of officers that will be deployed to guard the entrances of the schools are 300. there are so many extra policemen in the streets and the subway stations, they had to call them from other parts of belgium, because there are not enough here in brussels. also, the minister of education has said there will be strict security measures in place in schools. only known pupils and parents will be allowed in the school. nobody will be allowed out during lesson hours.
some have even suggested to create safe or panic rooms for them to find shelter in case of a terrorist attack. well, of course it's not pleasant, but there's still fear out there, it's in the air. but people in brussels are trying to go back to some kind of normality. >> claudio, thanks so much. i want to bring in laura haim, white house correspondent for canal plus. you've seen her here every day for the past ten days. she's been following president francois hollande who met with president obama today. nice to see you again. >> nice to see you. sorry, go ahead. >> i was just going to say, tell us about the visit today. >> president hollande just left the french ambassador in washington, and it was really moving because he wanted to talk to the french community living
in the united states that just finished singing "la marseillaise." what was also so interesting to watch, president hollande whispered to obama today during a press conference, talking about, we are french. president obama was even saying in french, we are french. he was expressing in a huge way for the french people, solidarity to the heart of the nation, which has been so deeply wounded. what is interesting also is to see behind the scene what's happening, and we know that for 45 minutes, the french delegation met in the oval office with the american president. they were talking about the fight and they were talking also about russia. french president hollande, he's going to moscow now to see vladimir putin. the french president and the american president were talking about bombings in syria and how
they're going to increase forces in syria. the french president, like the american president agreed on one thing. no ground troops at this moment in syria, except special forces. >> and do we know any more about what promises might have been made in that meeting? we heard a lot of talk at the joint press conference about cooperation. what does that cooperation look like? >> more bombings, more resources. and it's interesting, because according to our sources, for instance, half an hour ago, the french decided to bomb the west of mosul. it was a military target owned by isis. it was done with apparently help from intelligence agencies all over the world and mostly americans. talking to the french about the targets, where do they have to bomb. so the french confirmed to us that they were bombing, again,
the west of mosul, which is an important city. the french are saying that in the fight against isis, they have to take over two cities. two important cities in syria, raqqah and also mosul. and that's for them, extremely important to take back those two cities. so we asked them, when is it going to happen? is it going to happen in days, in weeks? and some french people really close to the french president told us, we hope it's not going to take years. >> laura haim, thanks so much. >> when we come back, russian president vladimir putin calls the downing of one of his military jets by the turkish military. could the russian response have global implications? three spreadsheets later you finally bring home the one. then smash it into a tree.
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we're continuing to follow that breaking news about turkey, shooting down a russian military jet earlier today. turkey claims the jet violated their airspace. russia says the jet was in syria fighting isis. u.s. defense officials tell nbc news the incursion into turkish airspace lasted a matter of seconds. meanwhile, president obama said today it's too soon to draw any conclusions on the matter. >> we don't have all the information yet, so i don't want to comment on the specifics. we will be gathering that information. i expect the turks will have information and the russians, and we'll be able to confirm in
part what happened through our own intelligence and our tracking of that border area. >> let's turn to richard engel in istanbul tonight. what do we know? >> it sounds like the president was being incredibly diplomatic because of the sensitivity of this. we have a nato member country, turkey, firing on and shooting down a russian plane, killing a russian pilot, and then causing a rescue pilot to die because he died in the rescue operation. so two russian troops killed today at the hands -- or at the result of actions by a nato country. so it's not surprising that the president is being incredibly cautious in his words. but frankly at this stage, we do pretty much know what happened. nato officials, u.s. military officials and turkish officials say that the russian jet did violate turkish airspace, but only for a few seconds, just
cruising through and continuing its bombing run in syria. and the question is, is that a minor border infraction? it's not the most air-tight border anyway and it's often violated? was this seconds-long violation enough to provoke such a violent and provocative response from turkey, downing that aircraft? and many officials say the answer is no, there must have been another reason. the reason they're coming up with, it goes back to this dispute between turkey and russia over the targets that should be legitimately attacked in syria. russia has been attacking in the area where this incident took place today, a group, a rebel group, an anti-assad group that is predominantly turkmen. they are a turkish ethnic group. and turkey, this country which
sees itself as the father of all turks, and the defender of ethnic turks around the world, has been protesting very loudly, telling moscow it's a red line for moscow to be bombing these ethnically turkish people inside syria. and not surprisingly, as the russian plane was bombing in that area, violated the airspace, it seemed like turkey used that as a pretense to send a message to moscow that it wouldn't stand. but it's a dramatic escalation. it's a very risky move. moscow is threatening consequences. president putin, effectively accused of turkish president of being a terrorist, of saying that this country is allied with terrorists. so in this environment where president obama and other nations are calling for a hand in hand approach to bring some stability to syria, this is the absolute opposite of what is
needed right now. >> richard engel on the ground in istanbul, thanks so much. appreciate it. let me bring in colonel jack jacobs now, medal of honor recipient. and henry barky, director of the middle east program for the wilson center. good to have both of you with us. jack, let me start with you. president obama spoke earlier this afternoon. he talked about the russian operation in syria. let's play the scholarshclip an to get your reaction. >> they are operating very close to a turkish border and they are going after moderate opposition that are supported by not only turkey but a wide range of countries. and if russia is directing its energies towards daesh and isil, some of those conflicts or potential mistakes or escalation are less likely to occur. >> so the president speaking about the russian military
operations over there. everything's happening in tight quarters, but this doesn't, from what richard was just saying, this doesn't appear to just be a matter of not knowing where the other person is. this is more than that. >> the russians are after anybody who's after assad. and that includes the turkmen who are being protected, as we heard, by the turks and have been very a long, long time. so the real problem here is not just tight quarters, lack of protocols to determine who's going to attack whom and who you talk to on the ground and air traffic control and all the rest of that. the real question is, how are you going to operate in an arena in which you have two very strong sides who have their own agenda. i mean, we're on the side of the guys who say assad has to go. you can argue whether or not it makes a lot of sense to be honest with you at the moment, and russia and iran are on the
side that yes, no, assad's not going to go. you have a situation like that, this is what results. and that has to be sorted out first if you want to avoid this kind of action in the future. henry barky, what do you expect of the russians in response to this? two of their airmen are gone. >> i think there will be some kind of reaction today. today they told the russians not to go to turkey, that it's not a safe place for russians. but i think we have to look at this a little bit differently. because everybody must have seen the video of not only the plane falling down, but the two airmen coming down with the parachutes and being shot at. this is against international law, but the fact that these people were being shot at when they were coming down unarmed,
defenseless, i think, is going to resonate and that's going to push putin to do something a little bit dramatic. and the problem for putin is that turkey and russia have very strong economic relations. turkey has an enormous amount of gas from russia. they both need each other. turkish companies work all over russia, especially in the construction site. so putin has to find something. it's going to be something different, we don't expect maybe. but he said he was going to take action, i think we should take him on his word. so this potentially can escalate. and it won't be good for what the united states is trying to do in the process, in terms of attacking isis. so this is potentially a real mess. >> and you have -- the context right now, you have francois hollande leaving washington and going on thanksgiving day to meet with vladimir putin to ask
for his help. both obama and hollande said thod they want the russians to work with us. >> you can bet 99% of the conversation was about how to deal with putin. especially in light of today. putin has a number of options available to him. he can cut off gas, something like that. he can do nothing whatsoever. it's disadvantageous for him to do that. he could bomb turkmen again. he could do something really difficult -- i mean difficult for the situation, that is launch, a long-range air-to-air strike. you can see over the horizon with warplanes these days and kentucky down a turkish aircraft over turkish soil. just about anything is possible, and most of them are fairly unpleasant. there's one thing that turkey's got its pocket in turkey
controls the darg nels and russia needs that access to get its fleet from the black sea. maybe this will end in some sort of negotiation. >> there is cooperation between turkey and russia, they do need each other. you were mentioning the business relationship that they have, but diplomatically, they may need each other too, no? >> no. here's the issue. after the attacks in paris, the whole world and the region, and internationally, have shifted towards working together to attack isis and to deal with isis. but the turks were clearly unhappy about both the iranian and russian participation. because from the turkish perspective, these are the two countries that keep assad alive. and for the turks, the most important aim in syria is not isis, but the overthrow of assad and preventing syrian kurds from
achieving political and military gains. so isis for them is only the third priority. so from that perspective, the turks were a little bit outside the mainstream, if you want, when it came to the isis fight. but the paris talks -- or the paris bombings, brought the russians in for the first time and opened up the opportunity to collaborate with them. what this event does is essentially sabotage that, and i think it's going to be up to hollande to save the day here. >> very interesting perspective. thank you for being with us. republican senator ted cruz has surged ahead of ben carson in a new poll. and donald trump under controversy for his 9/11 comments. should other candidates weigh in? .. you didn't tell me aunt alice was coming. of course. don't forget grandpa. can the test drive be over now? maybe just head back to the dealership?
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behind, texas senator ted cruz, who has surged 13 points in just the last month, into second place at the expense of retired neurosurgeon ben carson. joining me now, msnbc political reporter benjy sarlin who has been following cruz and writing about him. you have a new piece on our website right now and the headline is how ted cruz could win the gop nomination. so how could he win the gop nomination? >> this poll just confirms what the ted cruz campaign has been saying for a while, which is that they've been quietly trying to lay the ground work for a big ted cruz surge late in the race, taking over iowa and also be prepared to win later on. there's a lot of attention paid to the flashy candidates, but they're spending their time quietly laying the ground work of superior fund-raising. they've raised more money than anyone except carson.
they have an app that's competitive, by signing up more volunteers, they think they're in a good position to capitalize when some of the flashy candidates start to lose momentum. >> steve kornacki was here and was showing us the numbers of evangelicals in iowa. is he going door to door? what is it that's getting people excited about ted cruz? >> ted cruz sees himself as having outsider credibility like donald trump or ben carson, but also has much more of a connection to the traditional, political, social conservative movements that are very influential in places like iowa. spent a lot of times courting evangelicals over there, visiting the states, personal attention. he thinks he has a good story to tell to social conservatives, which would be a natural part of his base. so the big question is whether he can take the support from someone like ben carson. that's where he thinks his
record, maybe his consistency, maybe looking like more of a traditional candidate might help him. >> benji, thanks so much for being with us today. >> thanks for having me. >> donald trump is under fire for rhetoric, including having a database for muslims, and his quote that thousands of muslims in new jersey cheered after the twin towers fell on 9/11. but he says the comments are only helping him on the campaign trail. >> sometimes i'll make a statement and they'll say, this is the end, this is the end! right? this is the end, it's finally going to happen and then my guys walk into the office and say mr. trump, our poll numbers have just gone through the roof. that's only happened about four times so far. >> last flight on msnbc, muslim congressman keith ellison said he sees something more sinister
in donald trump's rhetoric. >> he's whipping up hatred to scapegoat a minority religious group. it's the kind of behavior, classic demagoguery. and he's going to get somebody hurt. >> joining me now, omid safi, director of duke university's islamic center. the congressman is fearful there could be reprisals against muslim americans. are you worried? >> i am, because i think we've already been hurt. we hear of lots of stories of visible muslims, particularly meaning muslim women wearing hijab who are being harassed in lots of different cities. we know there's an environment of hysteria.
there were a dozen open-carry demonstrations of white supremacist groups carrying ak-47s in front of mosques and islamic centers at the time of friday prayers. what the rhetoric of donald trump does, is to close the gap between racist and xenophobic discourse. and the actual possibility of outbreak of violence. all it takes is for one of these open-carry folks, or the kind of people that we saw last night, shooting at black lives matter activists in minneapolis, to take matters into their own hand opinion. >> president obama today spoke at the white house, he talked about inclusion, quoting the words engraved to the statue of liberty. i want to play a bit of sound and react to that. >> there have been times in our
history, in moments of fear, when we have failed to uphold our highest ideals. and it has been to our lasting regret. on the statue of liberty, a gift from the people of france, there are words we know so well. give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to be free. that's the spirit that makes us american. >> in your opinion, did he speak forcefully enough today, was he direct enough in defense of muslim americans? >> i think we actually need to go further and talk about reclaiming the very notion of what american ideals stand for. look at the discrepancy between what we see in america right now and the response in france where after that horrific assault the french president talks about inviting more and not less
syrian refugees. the hysterical racist discourse that we see in the country right now, it's on the wrong side of history. it's wrong on america. it's wrong on the issue of refugees. these are the very people who are running away from the dogs of hell that are isis. they aren't isis. they are the victims of isis. and it's wrong on the question of faith. built into the heart of all of our tradition is this very notion, that which you do to the least of these, you do unto me. who are the least of these? who are the weakest and most vulnerable people on earth? show me someone at the moment who is more vulnerable than the syrian refugees. to impose criteria of religion as some of the candidates have done, or to reject them altogether, even 5-year-old children, shows the moral bankruptcy of our public discourse right now.
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abdelhamid abaaoud planned to target a business district just last week in paris, days after the initial attacks that left 130 people dead. joining me now from paris, international correspondent for france 24 melissa bell is with us. thanks for staying up late for us. appreciate it as always. what did we learn from the prosecutor today? many new details. >> a number of things emerged, kate, about a couple of different aspects of this investigation. first of all, there's now a new man that french authorities are looking for, a man for whom an international arrest warrant has now been issued. mohammed abrini, he was seen on cctv footage at a petrol station outside of paris in the company of abdeslam, for whom there's also an arrest warrant issued. this is a new man that authorities are looking for 11 days after the attacks.
the other details that emerged were much more about abdelhamid abaaoud, as you said. a number of interesting things emerged. that for a couple of hours, even while the attacks were going on, his mobile phone records show that he was milling around the locations where these attacks were happening. in particular, the bataclan. the biggest single massacre of that terrible friday, the 13th. so with complete impunity and no fear, he was hanging around the attacks that he coordinated that night. beyond that, we've also learned he was in the company of another man. he was seen on footage taking the metro. we now know he was accompanied by someone else. who that other man is not yet clear. the identity of that person is not known. what's known is that abdelhamid abaaoud was killed in that police raid in saint-denis. on that day or the day after, he was planning with his
accomplice, the man who died with him in that raid, the attack on the big business district just outside of the walls of paris. so that attack was foiled by their deaths. one mystery remains. was the man who was killed that morning with him in saint-denis, who was plotting that attack, the same man who is believed to be one of the missing attackers who was also involved in the attacks on 13th november. for now the investigations are still trying to establish whether he was also at some of the locations on friday night. >> both of those pieces of information, that abaaoud was traveling around and walking around the city and looking at the places that his colleagues had just attacked, and also that there was another attack planned last week, those have got to be deeply unsettling pieces of information for the people of paris. >> hugely unsettling.
the idea was that abdelhamid abaaoud was quickly identified as the mastermind of these attacks, was probably functioning from syria. once we realized he had come back from syria, the gaps in the security became obvious. then we learned that he was possibly in paris, that he'd been around on the evening of the attacks. and now that he walked around the streets of paris and watched his gruesome work even as it happened. this is a man who is the subject of an international arrest warrant. a european arrest warrant who traveled to syria and back, who boasted from being involved in a number of attacks, who was believed to be behind a number of attacks, and he was absolutely not being watched. >> melissa bell, thanks so much. french president francois hollande joined president obama at the white house today to discuss joint efforts in fighting isis. and nbc's kelly o'donnell joins
me now for more on that part of the story. kelly? >> reporter: good afternoon, kate. it's been an eventful day here at the white house, in part because this was the first time we've really seen the president talki ing this issue, the paris attacks on home soil and joined by one of his allies, the president of france, francois hollande. also just the atmosphere here at the white house, because of course this is a very big deal in france, so the press corps from paris also joined the french president. getting down to the facts of what they talked about. after a meeting in the oval office where they had their privacy conversati private conversations, they came forward and talked about priorities, shared goals. some of the concerns, about russia, for example. and president hollande talking about the hope he has that president obama can join him in stepping things up in terms of
fighting isis. the u.s. commitment is certainly large, but he's hoping for even more. >> translator: we, therefore decided, president obama and myself, to scale up our strikes both in syria and in iraq, to broaden their scope, to strengthen our intelligence-sharing, regarding the targets we must aim at. >> reporter: one of the challenges is when you have different military units from different countries, competing in the same space, sharing of targets is vital information. and then in a different way, sharing things like passenger lists from flights coming from europe to the united states, that the u.s. would be interested in getting more information to know who's coming into the u.s. in terms of some intelligence comparing of some of the details that aren't always shared as quickly. so that's part of what this conversation was about. and in addition, some pressure on russia, because that's where
president hollande goes next. he'll be meeting with vladimir putin later this week, trying to send his message from his conversations here at the white house. kate? >> kelly o'donnell, thanks so much. joining me now is utah republican congressman chris stewart, a member of the intelligence committee, a former air force bomber pilot himself. good to see you, congressman. >> good to be with you, thank you. >> let me ask you about some of the news of today. you've got the russian jet being shot down by turkish forces. lot of worries this morning when we first heard that news, that this would enflame things and cause a reaction from the russians. so far we're not seeing one, but are you concerned that this destabilizes things further? >> very clearly it does. and i don't think we're surprised russia hasn't reacted yet. but i would be surprised if they don't. i'm fairly certain that ultimately they will. it shows how chaotic and how really just on the edge of a knife this area is. the airspace is very tight. the ground fight is very tight. as soon as you take off, you're
nearly violating someone's airspace. at that point, it just requires a very specific raule of engagement, very tight coordination among the allies. we don't see that. it shows what a tinderbox we're trying to manage and the challenge, i think we have failed in managing that challenge to this point. i just don't think the united states has led like our allies expect us to lead to improve the situation there. and i think we're going to have to step forward. >> this afternoon we heard from president hollande and president obama standing side by side at the white house. kelly mentioned president hollande is on his way to moscow to meet with vladimir putin. if you were going to meet with vladimir putin, what do you say at this point to try to get the russians on board? >> well, if i were going to meet with vladimir putin, there's a lot of things i would like to say aside from this issue as well. but coming about this comment about it being chaotic there, if
you think the russians are our allies there, then why are they primarily attacking those rebels who we have been supporting? elaborating further, if you think turkey is our ally, why have they allowed hundreds of millions of dollars of oil to cross the border, the primary means that isis has had to finance their goals. it's like who's on first and what's on second? we can't identify who our friends and allies are, we don't have rules of engagement between us. we don't have a clearly defined outcome that we're all working towards. the united states wants to remove bashar al assad. vladimir putin wants him to remain in place. they're there to retain him. it's a very unpredictable and i don't know how this thing plays out. >> congressman chris stewart joining us from utah, thank you for being with us. >> good to be with you, thank you. up next, a chicago police
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first-degree murder for the shooting death of a black teenager. officer jason van dyke turned himself in to authorities this morning. he's accused of shooting laquan mcdonald 16 times during a confrontation in october last year. mcdonald was armed with a knife at the time. it was all caught on dash cam video, that we believe will be made public tomorrow. morgan radford is covering the story for us from chicago. morgan? >> we're standing outside the courthouse where 37-year-old officer jason van dyke was charged with first-degree murder. i was actually inside the courtroom during his bond hearing earlier today. standing just feet away from him when he came in, with his hands behind his back, a downward gaze and his jaws clenched. he didn't say anything, but the prosecutor had a lot to say, specifically about that dash cam video that is expected to be released tomorrow. today we learned that there were 14 seconds between the first and
the last shot that officer van dyke fired, and of those 14 seconds, 13 of which laquan mcdonald was already on the ground, stomach down. take a listen to what the state's attorney had to say. >> the motorist described mcdonald as looking for a way to get away from the police. the motorist stated that mcdonald's never moved toward, lunged at, or did anything threatening towards the officers before he was shot and fell to the ground. >> well, as you can imagine, tonight chicago is a city on edge. frankly, people don't want chicago to turn into the next ferguson. in fact, speaking of ferguson, today is a year to the day that officer darren wilson was acquitted of charges in the fatal shooting of unarmed black teen mike brown. so today, leaders all around the city are calling for calm ahead of protests that are scheduled for friday. but interestingly laquan mcdonald's family has released a statement saying, if it were up to them, the video wouldn't be
released at all. >> morgan radford, thanks so much. >> joining me now on set, ari melber, who has been tracking the story. and from chicago, independent journalist brandon smith. he's the one who filed the freedom of information act request for the chicago dash cam video set to be released now tomorrow. brandon, let me start with you. you went pretty far with your request. you filed it back in may of this year. and you kept going. you kept pursuing this, unless a court ruled in your favor. why were you so interested in getting that dash cam video released? >> well, i know a lot of reporters who have pried a lot of great data loose from the police department on police involved shootings like this one. not all of them resulted in people dying, but many of them certainly were improper. and the problem is that people were reporting on that data, and
there wasn't very much reform. there wasn't any, really, call for reform of police practice or disciplining police. we thought, hey, a video might jump-start that. >> and brandon, this is ari here, who stood in your way beyond the police department as you were trying to get this video released? >> oh, the problem is that when you file a foia, you don't know who is behind the curtain, so to speak. they just kept delaying and delaying. the point that i'd like to make is that it's really easy to file a foia request. not just journalists can do it. you just have to wait a long time to get back responses sometimes. >> and when you look at mayor emmanuel and other leaders in chicago, they were saying it was the right decision to indict the officer and the underlying conduct was wrong. what do you view of that kind of criticism today, when i believe initially mayor emmanuel had
supported a delay in the release of this video? >> right. i think just last week the mayor was quoted as saying it's not the right time. it's not the appropriate time. it's my view that there's no real appropriate time for transparency. it's always the appropriate time, rather. >> what about what the police say here, which is that this kind of early release can potentially prejudice the process that this officer or any defendant is entitled to? as you know, they made that argument in their initial denial to you. what do you make of that argument? >> you know, i just keep going back to thinking about how we can hold public officials accountable, especially the ones that we give the right to use deadly force. so whether the -- frankly the story has been all over chicago
media. people have described what's in the video. so if you're talking about jury selection, it doesn't make sense to say, because the video itself is out, now we can't get an unbiased jury. everyone already knew most of what was on it. >> brandon, are you worried about tomorrow when it's out there in the public as a chicago resident? do you worry about the reaction people might have? >> well, myself and a lot of others who are crusading against violence, really that's what we're doing, crusading against police violence. but certainly we're against all violence. and the problem is that when media often report on this story, i've found, it's been about the possibility of future violence, right? like, oh, no, there could be
riots. but we're forgetting there hasn't been a violent protest in chicago in 40 years. in the past five years, there have been 70 deaths from police gunfire. so it's -- yeah, it's hard to -- hard to talk about that kind of violence and not talk about the other kind. >> brandon smith, independent journalist in chicago, thank you for being with us. ari, thank you. we should note that rahm emmanuel, the mayor of chicago holding a news koconference abo a half hour from now. and kate has the cnbc market wrap. >> the dow up 20 points, s&p gaining three, and the nasdaq barely closing above zero. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. [cricket sound]
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