thanks for the update. that does it for us this hour. i'm francis rivera, in for kate snow today. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's wednesday, aaa says 50 million americans are traveling 50 miles or more for thanksgiving. with isis threats in mind, president obama tells a nervous nation that our homeland security forces are vigilant, relentless, and effective. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >> and good evening from new york. i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. we are following breaking news on two big fronts this hour. first, protesters are expected to gather shortly in downtown chicago, following the release of the dash cam video that
captures the moment when a chicago police officer fired 16 rounds, killing 17-year-old laquan mcdonald. i will speak to illinois congressman danny davis. he represents downtown chicago, in just a moment. also, we are expecting to hear any minute now from new york city mayor bill de blasio and that city's police commissioner bill bratton on security for the macy's thanksgiving day parade. ahead of the holiday, president obama and jeh johnson trying to calm fears, assuring americans today, that there is no credible threat to the homeland. all of that is coming up, plus, some 2016 trail news and how your thanksgiving holiday could be stuffed, so to speak, with tv ads, but we start in chicago where a protest is expected to get under way soon, nearly 24 hours after the release of that disturbing dash cam video, showing the shooting of 17-year-old laquan mcdonald last
october. mcdonald's family attorney spoke to msnbc about laquan's mother and her desire to shield the video from the public. >> she did not want to see and has not seen the video of her son's execution. and what mother would want to see that replayed on the news constantly? secondly, the family is from the west side of chicago, and there was a real concern about public reaction if the video went viral. so the family did not want it released. >> five people were arrested during demonstrations last night that were triggered by the release of that video. as for the tape itself, nbc has blurred out portions of the graphic footage. the video shows officers responding to a call. mcdonald running and walking in the middle of the street with a knife in his hand. eight officers arrive on the scene, including officer van dyke and his partner. seconds later, van dyke shoots
16 times, a majority of them striking the teenager as he lay on the ground. van dyke was the only officer at the scene to fire his weapons. an autopsy showed drugs in mcdonald's system. the video was made public just hours after van dyke was charged with first-degree murder and one day before the judge said the tape would be released. van dyke's attorney said the shooting was justified because his client felt threatened. >> certainly my client did not go out that night with the intention to kill laquan mcdonald. he was brought in to the situation by the actions of laquan mcdonald, and he reacted. i know that the movement seen from the angle of the tape was not what my client saw, because my client was in a different -- he had a different view of the incident as opposed to what the video shows. and that's significant. >> moments before the video was
made public yesterday, mayor rahm emmanuel and the chicago police superintendent called for calm. >> i understand that the people will be upset and will want to protest when they see this video. but i would like to echo the comments of the mcdonald family. they've asked for calm. and for those who choose to speak out, to do it peacefully. >> and joining us for more from chicago is nbc's morgan radford. so, morgan, 24 hours ago, around this time, this tape was just being released. we saw what happened last night. what is the mood there like today? has it been intensifying throughout the day? where do we stand right now? >> well, steve right now i'm in front of chicago's police headquarters, and i can tell you, this is a city on edge. five protesters were arrested last night. there are three more protests that are scheduled this evening. one happening just a few blocks from where i'm standing right now. but steve, yesterday, i was standing in front of the county
jail, which is where officer jason van dyke is being held without bond on first-degree murder charges, and a group of young african american boys who are all 14 years old and played for the same inner city football team, came up and spoke to me when i was standing outside and said, guys, it's so cold out here and there's not a lot of people, what are you doing here? they said they were showing support for the mcdonald family. some of them said they were afraid to leave their houses knowing what happened to a boy just a few years older than them. that's the sentiment you're hearing from a lot of protesters. in fact, the naacp has called for a full review and investigation of the chicago police department, questioning not only the release of that dash cam video, but also questioning the timing of the settlement. $5 million was awarded to laquan mcdonald's family, but the city signed those papers just a day after mayor rahm emmanuel was re-elected. so there are a lot of people on the streets tonight asking
questions and still looking for answers. >> morgan radford in chicago, thank you. joining me now is the illinois congressman danny davis. he represents parts of chicago. congressman, thank you for joining us. let me start with the question about the timing of the release of this video. we hear that laquan mcdonald's mother did not want this coming out, in part because of fear of the reaction potentially. we hear city officials felt the same way. what do you think of that? the fact that this happened over a year ago and it's only coming out now? were there valid concerns about public safety? >> there are always valid concerns about public safety, but 13 months has been a long time. as a matter of fact, the protesters have been more than disciplined. those of us who live in the community and know individuals who are out protesting, we have been very proud of the discipline that they have displayed. and i think they're going to continue to display that discipline, but there's a tremendous sense of injustice.
that injustice has been done, and something must be done to rectify it. i was part of a group that met earlier today at push with reverend jackson. number of elected officials, clergymen, community activists, and this coalition decided that there are three things that need to happen immediately. one is that we need to replace the superintendent of police. we need to have a special prosecutor, and take this case away from the state's attorney, and we need to make sure that there's a strong, federal investigation of the practices and patterns of police operation in chicago, that the justice judgment must continue to look very seriously as how police activity in chicago is conducted, and of course, mass
demonstrations. there will be one of course this evening. but there's going to be a massive one on friday at 11:00 downtown chicago. it's going to be disciplined as well. so people have conducted themselves very appropriately, but they know that there has been injustice and they want to see justice done. >> all right, i want to get to one of those calls for action that you're making there. you say replace the superintendent of police, gary mccarthy in chicago now. yesterday at the press conference, the mayor said to residents of the city, please do not judge the police department in chicago by the actions of this officer. the police department as a whole is very different from this officer. if you're calling for gary mccarthy's resignation, you're saying this comes from the top and it's systemic? >> the african american members of the chicago city council have already called for replacement
of the superintendent of police. the coalition is simply reinforcing that. we don't feel, i don't feel, that the superintendent of police has provided the kind of leadership that upis needed to foster the police-community relations that we need in the city of chicago. we think it's time for a new superintendent and we are reinforcing that call for his resignation, or his firing, or whatever it is that you need to do to get a new and different superintendent of police. >> and what about the mayor? this is his appointee. he said he hasn't seen the tape. what do you make of the mayor's handling of this? >> we're calling upon the mayor to heed the call of the people, of the members of the chicago city council and give us a police superintendent who better understands what it takes to
foster good relationships between the citizens and the police department, whom we respect greatly, but we know that there's a tremendous need to change the leadership. we also than there's a tremendous need to fuse more african americans, especially, into the ranks of leadership within the police department. that too is another call. and both of those are actions that we expect the mayor to heed our call for and to do something about it. >> congressman danny davis from illinois, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> joining me now is eric zorn, columnist for the "chicago tribune" and trymaine lee from msnbc. the calls for the resignation of the police superintendent in chicago, gary mccarthy, is that something you can see happening here? >> i can definitely see it happening. this incident has cost the
superintendent the confidence of the community that he is sworn to protect. his handling of this case, the 13-month delay between the time laquan mcdonald was shot and the charges being filed yesterday, a lot of people see them and i do too as unconscionable. it took too long and he's too close to the situation and it's time for the mayor to replace him, yes. >> tremayne, you've seen in cities similar stories. you've watched as the leaders have handled these things and faced criticism. how does the response in chicago compare to what we've seen in other places over the last year or two? >> this is tough. there have been charges levied. that changed the tone of things on the ground. but still folks i've talked to think this is nothing more than a cover-up and a distraction from the fact that an officer executed, they say, executed a young man. this isn't the first case. mind you, we have community members dealing with the violence within the community.
then there's a long history of violence perpetrated by police officers. in the last ten years, they spent $500 million settling claims against the city about police behavior. we know that in april the family settled with the city for $5 million, laquan mcdonald's family. that was part of a few days of settlements, including a settlement for victims of john burge's torture ring, a former commander. so this community is weary and tired. so many don't understand they're frustrated. 13 months, you know, nothing has changed. the city was aware of what happened. that's what motivated the $5 million settlement. why was this officer continued to allow walking the streets with a gun and collect a payche paycheck? this officer had 18 to 20 complaints lodged against him, including the use of racial slurs and pulling his gun out unnecessarily. people want to know when this cookoon of protection around
what they describe as bad app s apples, when they'll be cracked open. >> all of the prior complaints involving this officer, is there a sense that it's something more widespread within the chicago police department? there are other officers out there with similar backgrounds? >> there's definitely a problem with the independent police review authority. they're not appropriately handling the cases that are brought their way. this officer was not allowed to keep walking the streets with his gun. he was put on desk duty. i've heard the number of complaints as 10, not 20. but in any case, i think the overall point is correct. this superintendent, this police department has lost the confidence of the community and you can't blame gary mccarthy for pulling the trigger on laquan mcdonald, but you can say that they need to turn the page. mayor emmanuel needs to turn the page on the relations between the police department and the community. getting rid of the superintendent, and replacing him with someone who has the
trust of the community is going to be an important step. >> were you surprised that the mcdonald family didn't want the video coming out? because a lot of times, the reaction is, hopefully the death could be used for good. >> i wasn't surprised. after trayvon martin, we saw his family agonizing in front of the cameras, that became the model. you get out in front, make the statements, get on all the news shows, you let all the evidence be aired out in public. yet at the same time while there may be an agenda from commune members and activists for the greater good of the public, that family is still grieving and hurting. so when we see this young man being shot down, it's kind of hard for any of us to watch, whether you're a journalist or a citizen, you can only imagine what that family is going through. we've looped it several times each show. and every network is doing it.
so it's not surprising, because they are reliving this time and again. they've been living with this for 13 months. so many of us have just become aware. but they've been dealing with this for more than a year, so it's not surprising at all. >> eric and tremayne, thank you. coming up, as president obama and his security team work to calm fears over potential terror threats, we'll have updates on the security measures being taken to protect americans celebrating thanksgiving. stay tuned. some cash back cards love to overcomplicate things.
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and still ahead on "mtp daily," the president tries to calm fears over security concerns as millions of americans head to their travel destinations today. we will have updates on the security measures being taken to protect americans during the thanksgiving holiday. stay with us. a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought.
seeking to ease americans' worries. speaking after a meeting with his national security advisers, the president said there is no specific or credible evidence of a paris-style attack here at home during this holiday season. >> good morning, everybody. it's understandable that people worry something similar could happen here. as we go into thanksgiving weekend, i want the american people to know that we are taking every possible step to keep our homeland safe. >> and homeland security secretary jeh johnson echoing that message from the president. both the president and secretary johnson saying that law enforcement officials will be working overtime this thanksgiving. >> we are working overtime to protect the homeland, to evaluate and re-evaluate what we see. we also want to encourage the public at the beginning of this holiday season, to be vigilant yourself, and to be aware. >> security personnel around the
nation are sticking by their slogan, if you see something, say something. joining me now is nbc's pete williams in washington, d.c. so, pete, if you see something, say something, be vigilant. we hear these notes of caution. is there anything more specific than that, though, that the president and homeland security are telling the american people? >> no. i think the president's message is basically, you have a department of homeland security, you have an fbi. you have a tsa. they're really the ones responsible for security. that's what they're working on. you enjoy the holidays. we'll do the worrying, you do the celebrating. but at the same time, as you go out and get in large crowds or go shopping or whatever, help us. if you see something suspicious, something raises the hairs on the back of your neck, you see something, or someone that you think is out of place, let us know. the fbi memo that came out earlier this week to local law
enforcement picked up on that point. it noted that a potential terror attack on a bicycle race in germany earlier this year was headed off by a clerk at the hardware store who thought it was a suspicious that a couple kept coming in and ordering large amounts of hydrogen peroxide. he told the authorities, they arrested the couple and they believe they headed off a terror attack. there have been a lot more people responding to this see something, say something thing. we've had a lot of police running down suspicious packages throughout the washington region. more often here than in new york, we've been told. but police say that's what they want to hear. they'd rather go out and look at something that turns out to wash out than miss something that's real. >> pete williams in washington, thank you. and heightened security isn't stopping holiday travelers. an estimated 47 million americans are going to hit the roadways, airports, and train stations this week.
and here's what just a few of them are saying. >> i'm looking at the media and the news with everything going out there. >> and you're worried? >> not really. it's pretty nerve wracking. i'm just calm right now and nervous at the same time. >> obviously we haven't been too worried about it. i was more worried about the lines and getting through security, because they're having extra security. more about catching my plane on time. >> for more on holiday travel, we go to jacob rascon live at los angeles international airport. so jacob, one of those women talking about the lines, want extra security. what does this mean right now for the average traveler at thanksgiving? what are they facing that they weren't facing a couple weeks ago? >> yeah, the background is deceiving because really this is the busiest airport in the nation during the thanksgiving holiday. but the travelers come in waves and we're in a bit of a lull right now. but the passengers we've talked to are saying what you heard there in those sound bites. mostly the one at the end who said, i'm mostly worried about the lines. this morning it was packed.
later today it will be packed again. you're getting more than two million people that will come through this week alone. a lot is due to security, more of the bomb-sniffing dogs around. you have a lot more officers on motorcycles and patrol cars. a lot more checkpoints, and you have even officers walking around with automatic weapons. as far as delays, though, we also expected a winter storm to hit and to delay a lot of the flights coming out of lax and other airports in the west, with you that hasn't materialized. flight aware reports that around the nation, there have been about two dozen cancellations and about 500 delayed flights. but those numbers are very small when you look at the millions of people who are traveling. so we seem to have damaodged a bullet for the weather. and as far as security goes, so sf far, so good. >> thank you, jacob.
meanwhile, about 3,000 miles east of los angeles, new york city is preparing for its first major event since the attacks in paris. rehearsals for the macy's thanksgiving day parade are under way. the mayor and police commissioner say there's no specific threat to new york city, but parade goers should still be on high alert. chris is live at the preparations. chris, they say come in anyway, but be on high alert. has this dampened the mood for this annual tradition? >> steve, i'll let you judge for yourself. take a look at this crowd. i mean, this is a very thick crowd that's gathering right now on 77th street on new york's upper west side. people are walking 15 deep as what's going on here is they're inflating the 17 balloons that will be in the macy's thanksgiving day parade tomorrow morning. that's been going on all afternoon here. and as the afternoon has gone on, more and more people have
been coming through here. we are awaiting a news conference from the police commissioner and mayor to talk about preparations for tomorrow. but what we do know, they are promising an increased police presence for the parade. up to a thousand officers, both plain-clothed and the new unit, the crc, critical response command, that will be deployed for the first time at a first major event since the paris attacks. that's a very specialized group of police officers. it will be about 500 officers strong, that is specifically here to do counterterrorism activities. they will have increased body armor, bigger guns. and that group will be part of the police contingent out here at the parade tomorrow. they're expecting some 3.5 million people to attend the parade along the 2 1/2-mile parade route, from here in the upper west side, all the way down to harold square.
8,000 people marching in it. 27 floats, 18 balloons. but if today is any indication, it doesn't look like we'll be hurting for crowds. i think part of the reason why the crowd is so big today is because the weather here in new york has been really mild. today was almost 50 degrees. tomorrow it's supposed to be pushing 60. and last year, i remember it was around 32 degrees, kind of miserable out. so you might see increase out here tomorrow as people come into the city and police commissioner bill bratton said he's bringing his grandchildren to the parade, he feels safe in doing that. and he's saying, if you want to come to the parade, you should feel safe doing that, but remain vigilant. >> all right, chris, thank you. also played a memorable role in a seinfeld episode once. coming up, the military releases its report on the strike on the afghan hospital. we'll have an update from the
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back with more "mtp daily." i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd. a week of high-stakes shuttle diplomacy continues for french president francois hollande. tomorrow he'll meet with russia ace vladimir putin, but today it was the german chancellor in paris. they visited a memorial to paris terror victims and in a news conference, hollande urged germany to help step up the coalition against isis. brussels is beginning to lift its security lockdown today even as the urgent manhunt continues for suspects tied to the paris attacks. claudio lavanga joins me now. the manhunt continues, i imagine there's a lot of apprehension still in brussels? >> yes, there is, steve.
while life is slowly going back to normal. one re-opening, today, 35 out of the 69 subway stations here in the city, re-opened to the public. they were heavily guarded by 200 police officers. we've seen a lot of people taking the subway today. obviously they were assured by the sight of the extra police officers and soldiers. also 160 schools that were closed on monday and tuesday, also re-opened. again, guarded by 300 police officers that were making sure that the teachers and the pupils were safe there. also, let's say that all this, as you said, is happening while there is a manhunt of salah abdeslam, the man linked to the terror attacks. they've been looking for him for the past ten days. yesterday they said they were
also looking for the second suspect. authorities do not believe they were in brussels if they re-opened the subways, schools, and shopping malls. even though they were opened with a heightened state of security. >> there's a bigger picture here. massive security presence in brussels right now. but take us back to before the paris attacks, because it sounded like there were a lot of bad elements operating out of brussels. how did it come to that? >> reporter: well, what we know, what the authorities are telling us is that they have found film, footage, of some movement two days before the attacks, of these two suspects that they are looking for, salah abdeslam, and mohamed abrini. mohamed abrini and salah abdeslam was filmed at a gas station in france on the highway between brussels and paris two days before the attacks, so
november 11th. now of course salah abdeslam is sought in connection to the terrorist act, while mohamed abrini is believed to have driven also one of the three vehicles during those attacks. so they were under surveillance in a way, but of course they could not predict what they were up to. and now yesterday, we learned more information about mohamed abrini. we know -- or the authorities are telling us that he is dangerous, that he may be armed. they have advised the population to stay away from him. they have released a picture and of course they have told everybody to call the police, do not approach him if you see him anywhere, of course in france, belgium, or anywhere in europe, where he may be on the run and at large. this is what the authorities are telling us right now, but what they also told us is that today the defense minister said that the five people that have so far been arrested during the 21
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avoidable accident. the medical facility was misidentified as a target by u.s. personnel who believed they were striking a different building several hundred meters away, where there were reports of combatants. >> doctors without borders responded with a statement saying the report leaves more questions than answers. quote, the destruction of a protected facility without verifying the target, in this case, a functioning hospital full of medical staff and patients, can not only be dismissed as individual human error. want to bring in jim miklaszewski at the pentagon. start on this report. how persuasive is this report that it's just an accident? >> first of all, it's unbelievable the u.s. military came up with this report only 50 days after the air strike. that shows you how seriously they take this. nevertheless, this was a tragedy of errors one on top of another. beginning with the fact that the
operations commander, who called in the air strike, never put his eyes on the target, didn't see the target, and that is absolutely required under the rules of engagement. and there were so many problems with the aircraft itself. many of its electronic, critical to combat operations, had been knocked out, or were just not working properly. and the crew aboard that ac-130 never properly identified the target. now, here is what is at the crux of the matter, i believe. those ac-130s, are not supposed to be called in for air strikes, unless they are there to defend and protect u.s. military forces or afghan forces that are under attack and being overrun by the taliban or other militants. there was no fight under way. and those crew members aboard that ac-130 could see that. in fact, senior u.s. officials tell nbc news that the cockpit recordings, audio tapes, inside that c-130 reveal that some of
the crew members actually questioned the validity and wondered whether the attack was even legal, yet they went ahead with the attack anyway. so there are all kinds of unanswered questions here that remain. and this is no tis not the end. the investigation continues. many of those who have been suspended, may face possible administrative or even legal criminal charges through poshl court-martials, steve. >> you're pointing to the basic errors, you're also pointing to people involved in this questioning it at the time. doctors without borders obviously not buying this. are they saying this hospital was intentionally targeted by the military? >> no, no. there's no indication from the u.s. military and we're relying on their explanation that this was just one gigantic, huge, snafu, as the military would put it. but it was all compiled, and it all began quite frankly, with
the fact that that first u.s. commander, who called in the strike, never put his eyes on the target. and from there on, it just hill iretrievable. as general reported earlier said this was avoidable. it really was but it wasn't avoided. >> at the pentagon, thank you for that. >> more mtp daily right after this. stay tuned.
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we have been watching chicago all hour monitoring three protests expected to start tonight after the shooting video of 17-year-old laquan mcdonald. we are seeing people gathered. we are going to keep watching and bring you the latest as events unfold in chicago. meantime we will turn to some 2016 politics now. the holiday tomorrow won't necessarily mean a break especially for residents of early voting states. anyone who hopes to sit back in front of the tv will be flootornadoed with ads. partners saying $5.5 million in advertising will be spent through the week in only four states. 18 advertisers are showcasing 11 candidates both republicans and democrats. the advertisers outnumber the
candidates because outside groups are stepping in. the biggest buy comes from jeb bush by the right to rise pac. bush's actual campaign isn't spending a cent. bernie sanders and hillary clinton are using campaign dollars. marco rubio is dipping into campaign cash and the group supporting him will buy time. thanksgiving is known for big appetites coming to the table but the saturation of ad buys may leave voters stuffed. joining me now is hallie jackson and heather hadden of the wall street. you are in south carolina. that is sort of the third big test in the republican primary season next year. let me start with donald trump someone who has run radio ads and not been on tv yet. there is reporting today that
suggests that top republicans who are nervous about trump have decided maybe they are not going to launch some sort of concerted ad campaign but hope he kind of fades. is that a reasonable strategy four months into this phenomenon? >> reporter: and two months until the iowa caucuses. i think that there is a sense among some that donald trump has not faded so far so what might change in the next eight weeks to make him fade before iowa. if you look at polls that show other candidates are surging like ted cruz who is up double digits in iowa as ben carson is sinking. donald trump doesn't need to spend a ton of money on ads because he is getting a lot of earned media. he is in the headlines almost constantly a lot of times because of controversial and sometimes incorrect things he says and attacks against other candidates. donald trump likes to say he is a counter puncher but often times we have seen him punch
first. >> i'm curious of what you make of the trump thing. there has been some pushback saying the media is taking the poll numbers for trump too seriously. i'm not sure i go along with it because he has been in the lead pretty much since he got in the race. he is in the lead in a lot of key early states. by this point giuliani was falling out of the lead. we are not seeing that with trump right now. how durable do you think he is? >> the iowa poll that you referenced, trump actually improved his numbers over october so from 20% being the top choice among caucus goers in october to 25%. that is after really disparaging comments. he called them stupid basically on twitter for choices in candidates so far. the kind of statements he has made so far the divisive statements aren't affecting him. i don't think we have a template for this kind of candidate.
i want to see how folks are actually primary and caucus voters. how many of them are republicans and how many are just independents or other kind of sympathetic folks to the trump message who like being in the circumstance-like atmosphere. the rallies are huge and have become violent. how many of these people are going to vote. >> when we look at numbers it looks as conventional wisdom after paris attacks that a candidate with experience will benefit from this and somebody like trump or carson isn't. looks like carson is being hurt by the new emphasis on terrorism but trump with just absolute self confidence, that bluster he is tapping into something with that. he seems to be benefitting right now. >> i think what we have seen is that we are talking more. voters are talking more about national security and foreign policy on the trail.
you go to events out here in south carolina or iowa and new hampshire and people are asking about it. it is the candidate who can talk tough when donald trump can do that and voters seem to be tapping into that. they like that he says he is going to bomb isis and uses expletives when he talks about it. it doesn't seem supporters are concerned with specifics about how you do that. right now there is a sense that people feel scared and want somebody who will say it will be okay and i will make it okay. >> and at the other end we put advertising numbers. bush, people around him supporting him, spending the most. >> so far doesn't seem like it. i think it is worth qualifying the numbers that superpacks are paying much higher rates particularly the ones who have gone in late. i think a lot of that money is more recent than others. >> when the campaign spends its
money it can get ten ads. >> that really big number needs to be qualified a little bit. so far we really haven't -- that poll not that bush was supposed to make a huge play in iowa. he is just barely squeaking by. >> we will see if he can get momentum here. >> hallie jackson, thank you for joining us. we will be back monday. happy thanksgiving to all of you. craig melvin picks up our coverage now. right now terror and travel. nearly 50 million americans in the air, on the roads and on the rails as the thanksgiving holiday rush is in full swing. president obama offering reassuring words to those worried about their safety. >> right now we know of no specific and credible intelligence indicating a plot on the homeland. >> meanwhile a